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• This transcript was exported on 12/03/2025 - view latest version here Teresa Cotsirilos: You're listening to REAP/SOW, dispatches from the frontlines of food, farming, and the environment. I'm your host, Teresa Cotsirilos. Here in the US, the vast majority of the seafood we eat comes from overseas. It's cheap, and that's because about half of it is farmed. These days, the world eats more farmed seafood than fish from the wild ocean, and that shift is wreaking havoc on our environment. We don't have a lot of fish farms in the US, but that might be starting to change, particularly along the Gulf Coast. Longtime FERN contributor Boyce Upholt has spent months investigating what these offshore farms could look like and what they could mean for Gulf Coast communities. He recently published part one of a two-part series on the future of aquaculture with our partners over at WWNO's Sea Change. I'll let their host, Carlyle Calhoun, take it from here. [music] Carlyle Calhoun: Hello? Can you hear me? I think you have your mute on. We're so close. Just with your little mouse, if you go click. I've been emailing back and forth with Melvin Jackman for a couple of days, trying to get this interview set up. He told me he's not too into computers, and I think this may be his first Zoom call. Melvin Jackman: Now, are we there? Carlyle: Yes. Yay. Melvin: How are you? [laughter] Melvin: Oh, my Lord. There you go. You're a long way away. Carlyle: I am. I'm guessing it's a little chillier there. Melvin: We had heavy frost last night, and it was minus 2. Want to come for a swim? Carlyle: Unfortunately, or maybe fortunately, I can't take Melvin up on the offer. He's a long way away on the island of Newfoundland in Canada. He's talking to me from his cabin, where he and his wife live most of the year. He loves it. Melvin: It's beautiful. Where we are, there's 800 to 1,000-foot cliffs on the side of our bay. There are beautiful coves, beautiful rivers. I'm looking at the bay right now. Carlyle: Are there a lot of salmon farms where you live? Melvin: An incredible amount. Not that far away from us. Almost every cove around here has a salmon farm. Carlyle: When you look at a salmon farm, what do you see? Melvin: Garbage. Absolute garbage. [music] Carlyle: All these salmon farms have popped up in Melvin's lifetime. I wanted to talk to him about what it's like to be a neighbor to a big facility that farms fish. Melvin says these farms have ruined what was once a pristine place. He and his wife walk the beach picking up their trash. Melvin: Boys, plastic feed bags, cages beaten up, rope, tons of styrofoam. We only see what's on the surface. There's no oxygen left in the water. You go around these sites, and you see methane bubbles popping out of the water. That's from all the feces and the feed on the bottom. The bay is pretty much dead. Carlyle: Do you blame that on the salmon farms? Melvin: Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. The government knows all of this, and they do nothing about it. Carlyle: It wasn't all that hard to find people who agreed with Melvin. Not from Newfoundland, but from all over the world. I spoke to people who live close to Sea bream and sea bass, and salmon farms in Greece, Scotland, and Chile, and I heard a lot of similar things. Speaker 1: What you see is a very ugly sea and land environment wherever these fish farms are. Now it's dead. It's a moonscape. There's nothing there. Carlyle: I heard about farms releasing tons of uneaten feed, tons of feces. Speaker 2: It piles up on the seabed. It's smothering the marine life. You end up with an anoxic black sludge. Carlyle: I heard from people who say fish farms aren't only bad neighbors because they're dirty, but also that the corporations that own them are bullies. Speaker 3: [foreign language] Interpreter: The political operators from the industry are extremely violent. Speaker 3: [foreign language] Interpreter: No respect for the territory and for the spirituality of the territory. Carlyle: I actually heard about this bullying from almost everyone I spoke to, including someone from the States, a neighbor to a fish farm in Maine, who didn't even want to be recorded, and from Melvin, too, who's so upset over what he's seen happen. He says he had to speak up. He was even featured in a recent documentary. Melvin: I've had serious threats since then because I am exposing them of their garbage. At 73, I don't give a damn. Carlyle: Let me explain why I've called up all these people from all over the world and what it has to do with the Gulf. Right now, Americans eat a lot of farm seafood, but the vast majority of it comes from overseas. We just don't farm fish on a big scale in US waters, but that might start to change. There are proposals to build massive fish farms in US federal waters. Guess which coast is likely to be the first home for these new farms? You guessed it, the Gulf. As I started to think about this possible future for the Gulf, I thought it might be useful to hear what others who live near fish farms had to say about them. Melvin: Think twice before they put that in your area. It makes a few jobs, but the jobs don't justify the environmental damage. It simply doesn't. I want my grandkids to walk on a clean shore, and it's not going to happen. Carlyle: This is Sea Change. I'm Carlyle Calhoun. [music] Carlyle: This episode is part one of a two-part series exploring the future of farming seafood in the Gulf. It's a partnership with the nonprofit The Food and Environment Reporting Network. The thing that was most heartbreaking to me, talking to Melvin and all those other people living near fish farms, is that it sounded like they'd been cut off from their own patch of ocean, which is like being cut off from a piece of home. That brings me to the big questions we wanted to ask in this series. How will a shift from wild seafood to farm seafood alter our connection with the ocean here in the Gulf? What is the future of seafood in this place whose culture is so tied to it? That's coming up. [music] Carlyle: There are proposals to build big fish farms in the Gulf, and it's a whole new kind of thing. We do farm some fish in the US right now. We have a handful of salmon farms along Maine's coast, and we have fish farms in ponds on land, like catfish in the southeast. What's being proposed in the Gulf, though, farms way offshore in the open ocean. These would be big floating net farms. These would be big floating net pens with fish. Those barely exist anywhere. I enlisted reporter Boyce Upholt to dig into all this. When I sat down with him, I had a lot of questions. Would it be a good thing or a bad thing to farm fish out in the Gulf? What is the promise and the peril here? What could go right? What could go wrong? Boyce Upholt: Just to start. Those are the big questions, and I promise we will answer them. The challenge here is these are so new, so there's a lot we don't know. There are some people who say these new farms are actually a miracle cure that won't have all those problems we've heard about, and that they're going to help us feed the world. They're going to help us stop importing so much problematic seafood. They can create jobs in coastal communities where wild fisheries are struggling now. Of course, there are other people who say that the same things you heard from Melvin are going to be what we face here, ecological disaster. We're going to need to spend some time digging into each of these two sides. Carlyle: Tell me what's on the table. What exactly is being proposed for the Gulf? Boyce: Right now, there are two different companies that are seeking permits to open fish farms, both off the coast of Florida and different places. As a point of note, there are other projects across the country on other US coastlines, but the one farm that is furthest along in the process is here in the Gulf. That's part of why we are going to be most likely the first place in the country to see this kind of farming. Carlyle: What's that proposal? Boyce: The plan here is to build a pilot project, just one big floating net, 45 miles off the coast of Sarasota. The founder of this company is an interesting guy. He's like Mr. Aquaculture. He has been banging this drum for a long time, trying to find a way to pry open the doors to get more fish farms in this country. Neil Anthony Sims: My name is Neil Anthony Sims, and I'm the founder and CEO of Ocean Era. We're an offshore aquaculture R&D company based here in Kona, Hawaii. Boyce: Neil Sims grew up in Australia. Neil: He grew up almost literally on the beach in Australia. Chose marine biology as my career. I did the Australian version of the Peace Corps out into the Cook Islands. Boyce: While he was living in the Cook Islands, Neil had this idea that would end up really changing his life. There were all these problems with overfishing in the Cook Islands, and that included oysters, which people were ripping out of reefs, searching for the ones that had pearls inside. Neil thought, "What if we just farmed oysters and did it a way that made them make the pearls?" Neil: Rather than just ripping a pearl oyster out of the lagoon and killing it, nurture that pearl oyster and implant it with a pearl nucleus, and in two years' time, you will have a pearl. Boyce: This would mean the fishermen aren't out there overfishing, and that protects the ocean. They're making good money on pearls. Neil knew he'd hit on something. He wondered, what if he expanded this idea? Could we protect the ocean by farming fish instead of chasing wild fish? Neil: Boom. This confluence of environmental imperative and economic incentives was right there, and that's where I wanted to work. I felt the firm hand of fate in the middle of my back, saying, "This is where you can really make an impact." Boyce: Neil decides, "This is going to be his career." He eventually moves to Hawaii, and he's been working there for decades now, launching fish farms, trying to make them as sustainable as they can be. He's got a good reason to do all this. There are really big problems in the ocean. Most wild fisheries are being fished at, and in a lot of cases, beyond capacity. At the same time, people all over the world are eating more and more fish. Neil: If we're going to feed the planet with the seafood that everybody craves and that their doctors are telling them they should be eating, we need to find a way to increase the supply of seafood. Boyce: One other big thing I want to throw in here. If you're a person who wants to eat meat but also wants to think about the climate impact of what you eat, then farmed fish is a way better option than farmed red meat like beef. Regardless of all the other environmental impacts, it just takes less energy to grow fish in water than it does to grow cows on land. Carlyle: Okay, yes, absolutely, but we're not just talking about climate. All those people I talked to around the world that are neighbors to fish farms, they weren't talking to me about climate change. They were saying these fish farms have destroyed their local ecosystems. What does Neil say about that? Boyce: He says they're right, basically, and that's exactly why we need a new kind of fish farm. Neil: In the first decade of when people were figuring out salmon farming, it was an environmental nightmare because you're in really shallow water with really poor circulation, and they didn't understand salmon nutrition very well. There was a lot of either feed waste or excessive feces. Carlyle: That's what everybody told me was going on, plus other issues with all these fish jammed together, being pumped full of antibiotics, pesticides to kill parasites, water's getting polluted, plastic garbage everywhere. Boyce: That's not even the end of the list, right? Domesticated fish are going to escape. That means they can mess up wild gene pools. There are a lot of worries about corporatization. These farms are run by big companies, so it's just like big ag out in the ocean. Then there's an argument that none of this even solves that overfishing problem. You think about salmon, they need to eat other fish, so we've got to go and catch them so we can feed them. A lot of those little fish come from places like Africa, fish that are super important to local ecosystems and even super important for people to eat them there. All this means that raising fish in the ocean has become really unpopular in places where it's got a foothold. Alaska's got a ban now. Washington passed a ban last year. British Columbia is in the process of phasing it out. Oregon is considering a ban. Neil says that his method of fish farming doesn't cause these same problems. Carlyle: Okay, so what does that look like? Neil hasn't started a farm in the Gulf yet, though he wants to. You talked to Neil about how he's tested this new method in Hawaii, right? Boyce: Yes. Decades ago, Neil actually started a farm off the Big Island that consists of these giant net pens. Big floating pyramids made out of netting. Each is as big as a house. It can hold tens of thousands of fish. In Hawaii, it's kapachi or almaco jack. They sit way offshore. There, it's a kilometer off the coastline in water that's 60 meters deep. Neil: The Kona operation here outside my window has been in place for 20 years. It's half a mile away from a really beautiful stretch of coral reef here, where every night there's 15 or 20 tourist dive boats doing the manta dives. If there was any impact on that coral reef from that fish farm, people would have been kicking and screaming. Boyce: In fact, there's actually evidence that the fish farm provides a refuge for other wild fish. This is a place that, without the farm, would be empty bit of water. The physical presence of the nets there creates habitat that fish are drawn to, and that draws other fishermen. We actually talked to a guy from the Big Island named Nate Tsao, who actually goes out of his way to fish right alongside these fish pens. Nate Tsao: I fish around that fish farm a lot, like how a lot of the guys in the Gulf go out to the oil rigs, and that's where they catch their snapper and their cobia and that type of thing. I do the same thing here. I know that if I put my boat in the drift downstream of the fish farm, I'm in a highly productive zone where I know that I can produce fish for my family. Carlyle: Nate says the fishing's great around this farm, and Neil says there's no pollution, but it's been his operation. Really? No pollution? No issues at all? Boyce: To be clear, even this fact of the fish acting differently there, that could be an issue. That can ripple through ecosystems. Researchers have noticed that dolphins around this farm are now getting into more aggressive interactions with certain other species. At least in terms of pollution, the EPA has looked at eight years of data that was supplied by the farm itself, and it shows that outside of the farm's boundaries, there does not really seem to be any impact. Neil: All of the evidence confirms that if you do this in deep enough water with a bare sand bottom and with some reasonable water movement, you have no significant environmental impact and often no measurable environmental impact at all. The experience has demystified all of the hand-wringing and fretting that the anti-aquaculture activists were waving their arms about before we put this farm in place. [music] Boyce: This is where the story catches up with us here in the Gulf, because after what Neil felt like was a success there in Hawaii, he wanted to think about what do we need to do to expand fish farming across the US? Like I said, he's got this big vision, save the oceans, feed the world. He decided he wanted to petition the government and ask its permission to start farming fish in federal waters. The place he picked to do that was here in the Gulf. [music] Carlyle: Neil Sims seems to have proven his point in Hawaii. He wanted to farm fish in the ocean without wrecking the environment, and it sounds like the next phase for him is to expand, to build more farms, which means he'd have to go from state to federal waters. Why is that a big deal? Boyce: Let's be clear about what federal water is. It's just the ocean that is owned by the federal government. Where that is varies by state, but basically it's three nautical miles offshore in most places. That means that federal waters are automatically the deep water that Neil says is so necessary for good, clean fish farms. The other thing here, though, is every state has its own rules. When you're out in the federal water, you're just dealing with the one set of federal rules, no matter where you go. It really helps to scale this business to be out there. Carlyle: He's picked the Gulf as the place he wants to do that. Why here and not New England or California? Boyce: I asked Neil about this, and he said that he's a warm water biologist. He understands the kind of fish that he would raise down here. In my reporting, I talked to other people in the aquaculture industry, and they indicated that here on the Gulf, our politicians are pretty pro-big business. It's a friendly place for this kind of stuff. Carlyle: Right. Seems easier to get it done here. We're already the coast with a lot of oil and gas. There's a lot of big industries here. Boyce: One of the big industries that we've historically had on the Gulf is dwindling. I'm talking about seafood. Our fleet is shrinking. I talked to a few seafood distributors who are all in on developing fish farms because they want to find a way to have more local fish to serve. Neil says himself that he's found a warm reception from the seafood industry. Neil: The response from most of the fishing community was, "Yes, this is seafood. Doesn't matter whether it's wild or farm. We need more seafood." Carlyle: Sure, some people, but I don't believe that everyone in the Gulf seafood industry is for this. Boyce: Yes, definitely not everyone. Here in Louisiana, I've heard from shrimpers that are worried about fish farms in general, feel like big business is just taking over everything in seafood, pushing them out. Then, in Florida, where the farm actually would be, there are definitely both anglers and commercial fishers. Fishermen who have been actively fighting against Neil's farm. Actually, the legal fight against fish farming in the Gulf goes back a decade. I wanted to talk to the lawyer that's really leading this fight. George Kimbrell: My name is George Kimbrell. I'm the legal director and co-executive director of the Center for Food Safety. Boyce: George has been making one key argument here. It all depends on the fact that if a fish farm is going to open in federal waters, it needs a bunch of federal permits. In 2016, one government agency came up with a plan. They wanted to become the one-stop shop for all of that kind of stuff. George took on not the fish farms, but the federal government. He basically said, "You're not allowed to do that. Congress has not given you that authority." George: We haven't lost a single case in a series. It's been about 10, 12 years now on the litigation front. I think we've basically single-handedly stopped this industry from becoming a reality. I think we'd have millions of fish being grown in our federal waters. Carlyle: Wow. It's his technical, legal argument that's pretty much the reason we don't have all these fish farms. Why hasn't Congress done this? Why haven't they put an agency in charge of handing out permits? Boyce: Some Congress people are trying. There's been bills coming up year after year trying to make this happen. There's one live right now in front of both the House and the Senate. Georgia's coalition, all these environmental groups, they are really good at fighting it, and they have one very persuasive argument about what a future with fish farms might look like. George: Do we want Iowa, a cornfield in Iowa, a factory farm from Iowa, for the oceans? We have a choice as a society to choose differently and to learn from those mistakes and not repeat them. Carlyle: He's saying the big egg that's famous in Iowa, that's what we should expect for the oceans if this continues. Boyce: Yes, exactly. Iowa is this famous portrait of just basically one vast cornfield and a cluster of factory pig farms. There's water pollution, there's cancer clusters. It is just a place that symbolizes all of the dark sides of farming on land, and that includes corporatization. There are fewer and fewer independent farmers in Iowa, or really anywhere in the Midwest, and that's the concern. It's basically, we're just going to take these same factory farms that mark Iowa, and now we're putting them out in the ocean. George: What's happened globally in the places that have been early adopters of industrial aquaculture is their local fisheries have been destroyed, and their local fishing industries have been destroyed. It's been replaced by centralized, industrialized aquaculture to the detriment of their ecosystems, as well as their local economies. Carlyle: That's what I heard on all of those phone calls. The ocean just trashed, corporations pushing people away, disconnection from the waters that used to be home. The thing is, that is the total opposite of what Neil's been saying. Boyce, you've done all this reporting. What am I supposed to believe here? Where do the facts lie? Boyce: Good old facts, right? They're always so complicated. One thing I can't help but notice here is that George Kimbrell and the people he represents, they're basically absolutists. They've drawn a hard line. They say, no fish pens at all, ever, anywhere. I get that, given the history. Fish pens have been a real catastrophe, as we heard at the top of this episode. I can't help but think about how Neil's doing something new. He's taking this farm, putting it way offshore. The studies of the few farms like that show that they are pretty darn clean. Carlyle: Let's talk about the fish specifically. This way, offshore farm he wants to open in the Gulf, Neil's going to be raising redfish, right? Boyce: Yes, redfish, which is really good because it's a native fish. If they escape here in the Gulf, they're not going to muck up the gene pools. It's a smart choice commercially. This is a famous Gulf product, one we actually did a whole episode of Sea Change all about. Today, most of the redfish we eat is already farmed, most of the time in Asia or Africa. If you go to a restaurant and you find something labeled as Gulf redfish, that almost certainly means that it's not wild at all, but raised in a community around Palacios, Texas. I went there. I wanted to visit a facility run by a company called Homegrown Seafood. I got a tour by the sales manager, Amanda Corporon. Amanda Corporon: Fish comes in from the farm. It'll get dumped into the big vat, ride the conveyor belts up to the two ladies up at the top and where they'll check for any deformities. Anything that just doesn't look right on the fish. Boyce: I've met almost no one that's ever heard of Palacios, but it turns out it's a really important place for our food culture here on the Gulf. This goes back to the 1980s. Late in that decade, catching redfish out of the actual Gulf was outlawed almost everywhere, but people still wanted to eat them. One farmer in Palacios was like, "What if I dig up my soybean fields? I can turn them into ponds for redfish." Now, there's a whole bunch of redfish farms around Palacios. The homegrown facility I visited, they process something like three-quarters of the domestically raised redfish in America. Amanda: We have to account for every single fish that we grow and we sell. That's what she's doing. Boyce: It should be clear that the farms here are really different from what Neil proposes. The fish are grown on land in ponds, so you don't have the same worries about ocean pollution. Still, the place was really fascinating to me because after redfish farming took off here, people started farming catfish too, and then shrimp. That was crazy to me because Palacios is considered the wild shrimp capital of Texas. It's the home port for these giant shrimping boats. Carlyle: You're seeing this place that's home to both a wild and farm seafood industry, and that's a bit of a preview for the rest of the Gulf. What happens when these two things sit side by side? Boyce: I talked to a bunch of shrimpers, and I was particularly intrigued by a pair of brothers, David and Jacob Aparicio, whose family has been catching shrimp for several generations. They love what they do. Here's David. David: It's the best job in the world, but it is very mentally hard to do because when you leave this dock, you're gone for 40 to 60 days. You don't come home till you run out of fuel or you fill that boat up with shrimp. Boyce: You might expect someone like David would be opposed to the rise of fish farms, but actually, he was excited by it. This rise of land-based fish farming had created a whole bunch of jobs in town. Homegrown has opened a shrimp processing facility, and that's useful to guys like David because they can process their own shrimp there. Actually, David and Jacob, in a down year recently for shrimping, they decided to diversify and they opened an oyster farm. David told me he'd read about Neil's proposal in Florida, and he was really excited about it. David: I've been reading up on it. I know some people are for it, some people are against it, but I'm like, I push really big for aquaculture in general. Jacob: I'm with you on that. Anything to provide more jobs down in our community, I think, is better. David: We're probably one of the few young people actually getting back into it. We need to start making jobs and making it sustainable for families to actually pursue a career in stuff like this. Jacob: Of course, it's just what kills any industry, from seafood to manufacturing, anything. If we can make it here, buy local. Carlyle: Their point is more buy local. They don't actually seem worried about whether it's wild-caught or farmed. Boyce: Right. Exactly. In this series, our big question is about how seafood connects us to the Gulf. It's easy to assume that farming seafood has to be some kind of disconnection. Here's the thing. Right now, most of our seafood that we eat here doesn't come from the Gulf at all. The vast majority is imported. Farmed seafood, as long as it's actually from here, might be a way of bringing us closer to our Gulf. Carlyle: That is a really good point. One thing just really sticks with me from talking to all those people, and that's the bullying and the way big corporations control all these fish farms. I trust that Neil's doing this for all the right reasons, and maybe his little farm would be totally fine. His mission seems not to be just to start his one little fish farm, but actually to open the door to a much bigger industry. Boyce: That is his mission precisely. He's described himself as a "pioneer". He's forging the way through this complicated process of getting these farms off the ground and permitted. I talked about these promising studies of individual fish farms that are way offshore, but we're not going to fully know the impact of lots of offshore fish farms until we go out and build them. All that said, Neil said something that made me think about this question of small versus big business and how it relates to this idea of connection to the ocean. It actually made the whole concept of connection feel almost too sentimental for the modern world of ours. Neil: Those folk that have an emotional attachment to this idea that the oceans should always be wild and we shouldn't ever be domesticating fish in the oceans, corporatization of the oceans, it's happened. Boyce: Even in the wild fisheries, there's already been a lot of this consolidation we're worried about. There's big corporate players catching wild fish in the ocean, and that's really not a good thing. Neil: It can't be this romanticized view of a guy buying a boat and making his living, one lonely man against the sea, can't happen anymore. Any more than you could go out and stake out a piece of Illinois and start farming. The oceans have to be managed, or it's going to be open pillage and plunder, and we know where that leads. Boyce: I think of this as this grim realism that Neil's got here. We live in a capitalist world. It's the system we've got. We've got to work within it. I talked to some of the opponents of this fish farm, and they say, "Hey, why don't we just move the fish around differently? If we have a more just and equitable food system, we could probably meet local demand using wild products. I brought this to Neil, and he basically said, "Really pretty dream, guys, but show me the magic wand that's going to make that happen." He talked about what, are we going to have food police that force people to eat certain things? Carlyle: Really, it all boils down to which one's easier for us to solve. Is it easier to make better fish farms, or is it better to fix the social problems created by these big corporations controlling the food system? Boyce: That's exactly it. One of the things that strikes me is when I talk to both sides, they're saying, the other answer here is not just ineffective but dangerous. There's bits and pieces all over the place that I find compelling. I guess the one thing I can decide is the red fish that comes off of Neil's farm; if and when it opens, I'll eat that. Beyond that, it's hard for me to predict what Gulf fish of the future I'm going to be willing to eat. Carlyle: Neil's farm will be the first step to whatever that future is going to look like. Where do things stand now? How long till we see his fish farm out in the Gulf? Boyce: While we were doing this reporting, Neil actually got a wastewater release permit from the EPA, which is a really big step towards getting his fish farm up and off the ground. He'd been working towards this for years. Then, immediately, that permit was appealed by George Kimbrell and his coalition. Checked in with Neil. He said, "We have no idea when this will be resolved." His last line in his email really stuck with me. He said, "Still, we persevere because it's the right thing to do." Carlyle: Thank you, Boyce, for your reporting. Boyce: Thanks, Carlyle. [music] Teresa: Special thanks to Sea Change for producing this episode. Their show was hosted by Carlyle Calhoun, who's also its executive producer. This episode was edited by Jack Rodolico and fact-checked by Garrett Hazelwood. Their theme music is by Jon Batiste, and their sound designer is Emily Jankowski. Sea Change is a WWNO and a WRKF production. They're part of the NPR Podcast Network and distributed by PRX. REAP/SOW is a production of the Food and Environment Reporting Network. Our executive producers are Theodore Ross, Tom Laskaway, and Brent Cunningham. Our sound designer is Lauren Newson, and our audio and video producers are Katie Gardner and Maya Okindo. I'm your host, Teresa Cotsirilos. FERNNews is our home on YouTube. Find out more about FERN and donate to support our independent nonprofit reporting at www.thefern.org. [00:31:12] [END OF AUDIO] Reap Sow_Ep 28_20251201_Farming the Ocean_mixdown.mp3 (Completed: 12/03/2025) Transcript by GoTranscript.com