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Credlin | 7 July · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Peter Krandland live on Sky News Australia.
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Speaker 2: Good evening, welcome to the program. Great to be back
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Speaker 2: with you this week. Is what's coming up tonight on Kredline.
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Speaker 2: A shocking weekend for the Jewish community with a restaurant
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Speaker 2: barricaded and vandalized and another synagogue set a light with
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Speaker 2: worshippers inside. I'll get the reaction from Melbourne' Jewish community
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Speaker 2: as well as speak with the former AFP detective and
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Speaker 2: why the government's avoiding the terrorism word and while.
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Speaker 3: The PM was nowhere near any of this.
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Speaker 2: Today on the anti Semitic attacks comes a word that
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Speaker 2: is moving closer to China. Beijing says it wants to
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Speaker 2: trade access to artificial intelligence in this country. Anyoneder Washington's
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Speaker 2: left wondering where our allegiance is lie. Plus the latest
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Speaker 2: shocking revelation about failed CHOLP protection laws in Victoria. A
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Speaker 2: man in Horsham worked in a childcare center despite being
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Speaker 2: under investigation for two years by police the child abuse offenses.
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Speaker 2: Over the weekend, there was yet more domestic terrorism against
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Speaker 2: Jewish Australians in this country, but yet more hand grigging
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Speaker 2: in the place of action from our government, particularly the
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Speaker 2: Victorian government led by Jacinterallen.
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Speaker 3: On Friday night, very.
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Speaker 2: Close to my own home, there was the firebombing of
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Speaker 2: a synagogue where worshipers were trapped inside, including as I said,
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Speaker 2: young children. At the same time, elsewhere in the city,
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Speaker 2: an aggressive mob stormed a Jewish restaurant in Hardware Lane,
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Speaker 2: screaming death to the IDF and all manner.
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Speaker 3: Of other anti Semitic bile.
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Speaker 2: But then on Sunday there was yet another pro Palestinian
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Speaker 2: sort of protest, but really it was pro Hummus and
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Speaker 2: in practical terms, deeply deeply anti Semitic. Now, honestly, what
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Speaker 2: is happening to our country when decent law rebinding people
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Speaker 2: who just happened to be Jewish can't worship or dine
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Speaker 2: out without the fear of violence or mob attacks. And
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Speaker 2: how regardless is it the police initially refused to call
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Speaker 2: out the fire bombing of a synagogue with people locked
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Speaker 2: inside and acted terrorism.
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Speaker 3: I mean, what else do they think it was?
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Speaker 2: Of course, it was designed to terrorize and probably to kill,
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Speaker 2: and that makes it terrorism under any official definition I know,
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Speaker 2: regardless of whether this upsets the sensibilities of the activist left.
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Speaker 2: Then there's the almost unbelievably soup pine response to the
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Speaker 2: Victorian Premier, to Ciner Allen. Despite the terrorism occurring on Friday,
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Speaker 2: it wasn't until today that she finally showed up at
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Speaker 2: the synagogue.
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Speaker 4: Those horrific, hateful experience that came to the front door
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Speaker 4: of this beautiful and historic Shawl on Friday evening. The
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Speaker 4: Anti Hate task Force will be convened, working with Victoria Police,
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Speaker 4: working with the Jewish community, working with all Victorians.
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Speaker 2: There you go, that's her response to the weekend of terrorism.
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Speaker 2: Yet another committee that she's setting up. But that's been
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Speaker 2: the problem all the way along. Too much talk, not
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Speaker 2: enough for action. We do not need another committee, We
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Speaker 2: do not need any more meetings.
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Speaker 3: We certainly don't need any more laws.
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Speaker 2: What we need right across Australia is that the existing
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Speaker 2: laws get enforced. Now, this is not just a task
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Speaker 2: force to end you hatred, I have to admit as well,
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Speaker 2: it's a wishy washy inquiry into hate in general. And
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Speaker 2: you can bet when we see the terms of reference
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Speaker 2: it will talk about rampant antisemitism, sure, but it will
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Speaker 2: also reference almost non existent Islamophobia. Because most of our weakened,
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Speaker 2: spineless leaders have done just that since the October seven atrocities. Today,
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Speaker 2: the Premier described Sunday's pro Humas rally as quote odious
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Speaker 2: and hateful.
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Speaker 4: Well, that behavior we saw yesterday was particularly odious, hateful behavior,
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Speaker 4: particularly odious given it came only what if like moments
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Speaker 4: after the attack on the synagogue on Friday evening.
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Speaker 2: Okay, on that she and I can agree only I'm
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Speaker 2: a TV host, she is the Premier.
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Speaker 3: Is that the best she can.
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Speaker 2: Do just just say it's odious and hateful, but do
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Speaker 2: nothing about it. This is happening under your watch. Just
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Speaker 2: in to Alan, this is not an issue of free
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Speaker 2: speech anymore. This is an issue where there's a clear
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Speaker 2: incitement to condit acts of violence and terrorism in your state,
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Speaker 2: and you've got to stop the hand ringing and act.
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Speaker 2: And it's why the Premiere was again today pushed and
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Speaker 2: why her government refuses to put in place the same
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Speaker 2: protest permit laws as New South Wales.
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Speaker 5: The systems for well.
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Speaker 4: Chip, I'm not going to quiver with you about it.
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Speaker 4: I don't necessarily agree with your comparison to Sydney. So
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Speaker 4: I'll go back and reiterate what I said at the outset.
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Speaker 4: We have taken a number of steps.
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Speaker 2: This is just more duck shoving from Alane. But even
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Speaker 2: if she won't put in place what New South Wales
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Speaker 2: has done, she can at least put back in place
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Speaker 2: the move on laws that Victoria used to have before
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Speaker 2: Labor abolished them under Daniel Andrews, something that the opposition leader,
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Speaker 2: former policeman Brad Batten has again urged today.
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Speaker 6: We want to make sure that laws are introduced so
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Speaker 6: we can protect these people going in and out of
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Speaker 6: their place of worship. We've already said in the past
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Speaker 6: that we should have and must have the move on
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Speaker 6: laws reinstated here in Victoria, and the reason we want
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Speaker 6: them reinstated is because when they were here they worked.
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Speaker 2: Now just as bad as Labours failure to act against
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Speaker 2: these hate protesters is the weak response from Victoria police
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Speaker 2: where their kid glove policing is the thug stormed the
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Speaker 2: Melbourne missed non restaurant in the CBD. Now Hardware Lane
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Speaker 2: is where this happened. It's a lane, of course, by
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Speaker 2: the very nature of its name. I go there often
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Speaker 2: and you could easily have blocked either end riot police
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Speaker 2: and then rounded everyone up, throw them.
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Speaker 3: Into vans and arrest them all.
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Speaker 2: That's not what happened. We need zero tolerance here because
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Speaker 2: Melbourne's fast becoming the setting for a new horrific pogrom
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Speaker 2: against Australian Jews. And today, in her response just into Allen,
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Speaker 2: let this slip.
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Speaker 7: So can't you kind of hear.
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Speaker 8: On?
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Speaker 4: Minister Carbines and Minister Burke have been in constant communication
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Speaker 4: about the response to the attack on the synagogue on Friday, So.
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Speaker 2: In that backward and fording with the journalist, she let
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Speaker 2: it slip. She and the Prime Minister have not spoken
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Speaker 2: at all about these terror events, certainly not between Friday
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Speaker 2: and today. I mean, who the heck's running this country
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Speaker 2: on the weekend if the Prime Minister doesn't pick up
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Speaker 2: the phone and call the premiere demanding and urgent briefing
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Speaker 2: after yet another Melbourne synagogue is fire bombed. And this
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Speaker 2: is why talk is cheap for labor, and this is
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Speaker 2: why we must call it out here on Sky News
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Speaker 2: and elsewhere in the media, because we've got a Prime
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Speaker 2: Minister who only seems to work when there's a TV
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Speaker 2: camera to watch him when he thinks a learning brownie
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Speaker 2: points with the left on the weekend time off, I
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Speaker 2: mean where's the Prime Minister today? This isn't leadership, This
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Speaker 2: is simply pathetic. I had to say it. More failure
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Speaker 2: too by government not doing the things they should be
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Speaker 2: doing to keep Australian safe.
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Speaker 3: Last week, of course, that horrific.
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Speaker 2: Story about a Melbourne childcare worker charged with seventy counts
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Speaker 2: of aggravated sexual assault, including rape, involving children as young
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Speaker 2: as five months and two years of age. Now allegedly
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Speaker 2: the man's posted images of his crimes online and some
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Speaker 2: twelve hundred children says the Victorian government now require testing
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Speaker 2: for sexually transmitted diseases. Now you imagine for a moment
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Speaker 2: being a parent having to get a baby tested for
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Speaker 2: gonorrhea or HIV. Imagine being that parent. But what staggers
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Speaker 2: me when this story broke was the news of the
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Speaker 2: Victorian Premier and ministers were briefed about this abuse but
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Speaker 2: kept it quiet for a week, a whole week before
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Speaker 2: the families were ultimately informed. Now I know politics, this
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Speaker 2: would have all been in about the pr spin have
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Speaker 2: a whole week to work up some sort of media
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Speaker 2: handling strategy.
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Speaker 3: You can't spin this away.
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Speaker 2: I mean, this is government failure of the worst kind.
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Speaker 2: In years past, it would have forced the immediate resignation
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Speaker 2: of officials across the board.
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Speaker 3: Not anymore these days.
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Speaker 2: As soon as we have a massive failure of government policy,
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Speaker 2: the politician rushes out, calls a review and then ensures
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Speaker 2: that every follow up question from the media can be
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Speaker 2: smothered with a line I can't discuss it. I don't
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Speaker 2: want to preempt the review. That was what Daniel Andrews
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Speaker 2: did all the way through COVID and just into Alan
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Speaker 2: Is his apprentice. No voter should accept this, whether it's
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Speaker 2: repeated instances of vulnerable children being sexually exploited or the
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Speaker 2: anti Semitism epidemic in this country. We need action now,
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Speaker 2: not months down the track. When a report lands on
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Speaker 2: someone's desk and the community has been dulled into submission,
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Speaker 2: a leader with backbone would recall the Parliament immediately, and
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Speaker 2: the Premier should be asking the Opposition leader, Brad Batten.
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Speaker 2: As I've said before, a former police officer tos sit
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Speaker 2: down with her and their respective teams and agree a
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Speaker 2: set of new urgent laws to protect children. Laws at
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Speaker 2: the major party support, not the sort of rubbish that
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Speaker 2: gets diluted in the Upper House by radical fringe MPs,
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Speaker 2: and then we as a community need to talk about
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Speaker 2: them really hard stuff. Show me any new mum or
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Speaker 2: dad who wants to leave their child, a six month
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Speaker 2: old baby, with anyone, a man in particular, but anyone.
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Speaker 3: At a childcare center. They don't.
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Speaker 2: But as life becomes more and more unaffordable everyday, families
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Speaker 2: need two incomes to survive. And because we've built a
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Speaker 2: system that supports institutional childcare over parental care, that's what
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Speaker 2: we as a society force them to do. We have
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Speaker 2: got to wake up to what's happening here. Do you
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Speaker 2: understand that federally, as taxpayers, we spend sixteen billion dollars
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Speaker 2: a year on a childcare system that is one.
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Speaker 3: Size fits all. We find on billions.
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Speaker 2: Into unionize childcare businesses that exist to make profits rather
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Speaker 2: than make it easy for parents to stay at home
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Speaker 2: with their little ones for at least the first couple
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Speaker 2: of years, when childcare is as much about nurturing and
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Speaker 2: parental bonding as it has anything to do with education.
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Speaker 2: When I've always said that childcare money should follow the child,
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Speaker 2: not the place where they get the care, but the child.
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Speaker 2: So why don't we start supporting the parents pay them
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Speaker 2: money to the parents to choose the thought of care
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Speaker 2: that best supports them, don't pay it to the childcare operator.
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Speaker 2: I mean, for some parents this might mean they can
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Speaker 2: stay at home, they can afford to stay at home
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Speaker 2: for a little bit longer. For others, it might help
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Speaker 2: supplement the pension of the grandparents that look after them.
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Speaker 2: Or it could be if you've got two or three
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Speaker 2: kids at home, that get yourself a nanny to work
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Speaker 2: in the family home. It doesn't stop parents choosing childcare
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Speaker 2: at a center if that's what they want, but critically
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Speaker 2: give parents a choice. Here's a few other difficult suggestions
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Speaker 2: that we can't walk away from. Don't you say that
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Speaker 2: childcare centers have a duty of care to protect children,
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Speaker 2: then make the management criminally liable for abuse that takes
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Speaker 2: place on their premises. I mean, we've got industrial manslaughter
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Speaker 2: or laws for workplace deaths. In a fact, why shouldn't
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Speaker 2: childcare center owners and managers be criminally liable for the
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Speaker 2: sexual abuse that takes place under their watch. While we're
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Speaker 2: at it, let's be honest about the sort of society
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Speaker 2: we have become and pledged to change it. The fact
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Speaker 2: that his alleged Melbourne perpetrator had passed all the working
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Speaker 2: with children checks suggests that culture is at least as
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Speaker 2: important as regulation. A society that does almost nothing about
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Speaker 2: the flood of hardcore pornography directed at our children, and
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Speaker 2: that demands we celebrate drag Queen's storytelling and council libraries
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Speaker 2: as a sign of some sort of inclusion or saying
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Speaker 2: that we deplore the child's sex exploitation that we're seeing here, well,
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Speaker 2: that means we're already aready guilty of double standards. The
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Speaker 2: sexualization of Australian children has got to stop. And finally,
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Speaker 2: dare I say it, stand up again for women and
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Speaker 2: girls to be safe in single sex spaces like toys
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Speaker 2: and change rooms, because I'm afraid to say that none
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Speaker 2: of this.
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Speaker 3: Happens in isolation.
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Speaker 2: Lots to cover Tonight, Busy Show will go down to
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Speaker 2: Canberra for the headlines. Sky News political reporter Cam Reddin.
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Speaker 7: Reaching out for a fresh start, the Opposition leader convenes
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Speaker 7: members of the Chinese Australian community in Sydney.
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Speaker 5: This is about listening and how we might better be
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Speaker 5: able to support the aspirations of your community's going forward.
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Speaker 7: Later this week, the Prime Minister will depart for Beijing
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Speaker 7: for his fourth meeting with President She.
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Speaker 2: We cooperate with China where we can, we disagree where
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Speaker 2: we must.
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Speaker 3: That's worked out very well for Australia in recent years.
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Speaker 3: Shouldn't we make friends with China?
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Speaker 9: We should, but we should not do the expense of
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Speaker 9: the United States of America.
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Speaker 7: Following a string of anti Semitic incidents in Melbourne at
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Speaker 7: the weekend, including an arson attack on a synagogue, we.
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Speaker 4: Are seeing too much hate anti Semitism, but hatred against
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Speaker 4: other groups.
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Speaker 2: Julian, Lisa and I will be traveling tomorrow to the
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Speaker 2: East Melbourne Synagogue.
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Speaker 7: Home Affairs Minister Tony Burke did so on Saturday. The
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Speaker 7: Prime Minister has condemned the attack, but there are currently
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Speaker 7: no plans to visit himself. Cameron Reddin's Sky News Canberra all.
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Speaker 2: Right, plenty to get across joymy now Sky News political
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Speaker 2: reporter Cam Reddin, but Daily Telegraph journalist James Willis well, Jens.
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Speaker 3: We'll start with Jacinta Allen.
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Speaker 2: Those shocking attacks in Melbourne, not one attack, multiple attacks,
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Speaker 2: beginning of course, at the synagogue on Friday night. She
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Speaker 2: was asked today about whether she would speak to the
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Speaker 2: Prime Minister about convening national Cabinet.
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Speaker 3: Have a listen.
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Speaker 7: He's spoken with the things about national attagner.
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Speaker 4: Look, I know that this is the Prime Minister's highest priority.
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Speaker 4: I've spoken to him in the past about the work
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Speaker 4: that is being done, not just hearing Victoria, but across
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Speaker 4: the nation to crap down on this hate James.
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Speaker 3: I saw it flash across her face.
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Speaker 2: As soon as she said that, she realized, Oh, hell,
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Speaker 2: I've sort of just dumped the Prime Minister in it,
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Speaker 2: because I've made the point that we have not spoken
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Speaker 2: about these recent events. She got a follow up question.
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Speaker 2: She made the admission they have not spoken. She talked
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Speaker 2: about the minister's talking. But I tell you what you know,
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Speaker 2: this is the second fire bombing of a synagogue in Melbourne.
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Speaker 2: This is completely un Australian. We saw this happen around
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Speaker 2: the whole issue of the Dural caravan, where there was
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Speaker 2: no communication between the PM and the Premiere.
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Speaker 3: I find this staggering.
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Speaker 10: Well, there's a couple of issues here, Peter.
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Speaker 9: In the first one, as you've just outlined, is the
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Speaker 9: fact that I think in the real world, we would
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Speaker 9: assume that when something like this happens, and we see
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Speaker 9: these scenes and we read the detail of what has
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Speaker 9: occurred in Australia, you would have a basic conversation between
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Speaker 9: the Prime Minister and the Premier or the leader of
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Speaker 9: that state or territory. Now would have thought that was
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Speaker 9: assumed knowledge. The fact that that hasn't happened is just
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Speaker 9: astonishing to me. Now, there's a separate issue about the
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Speaker 9: fact that the AFP and often state police often do
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Speaker 9: their own investigations and sometimes that doesn't lead to the
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Speaker 9: best possible results, and we had that happen with the
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Speaker 9: caravan situation. It does happen with the AFP and state enforcements.
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Speaker 9: But the wider issue is the Prime minister. I think
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Speaker 9: in his first term of government, Peter was able to
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Speaker 9: sort of duck and weave and do as very little
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Speaker 9: as possible and then you know, try and just get
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Speaker 9: as much done, but then really didn't want to get
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Speaker 9: stuck into the details. When something like this happens, it
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Speaker 9: should be all hands on deck and the fact that
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Speaker 9: these things are occurring in Australia to me is horrific.
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Speaker 9: Anyone that has been playing down this problem of anti
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Speaker 9: Semitism needs to have their head read and the scenes
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Speaker 9: at the weekend, including the protests, are just shocking. So look,
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Speaker 9: I don't know what the PM's doing at the moment,
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Speaker 9: but he's not doing enough.
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Speaker 3: We'll come back to this issue.
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Speaker 2: I'm going to speak to a Melbourne Jewish community leader
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Speaker 2: but also a former detective in the AFP. I am
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Speaker 2: concerned it's not yet been labeled terrorism when plainly I
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Speaker 2: think it is terrorism.
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Speaker 3: But we'll come back to that in a moment.
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Speaker 2: I want to go to a speech the Prime Minister
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Speaker 2: gave on Saturday night. This is a John Curtain a
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Speaker 2: ration and it included a not so subtle jab at
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Speaker 2: the United States, cam let's have a listen now.
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Speaker 11: Our alliance with the US ought to be remembered as
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Speaker 11: a product of Curtain's leadership in defense and foreign policy,
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Speaker 11: not the extent of it. Because Curtin's famous statement that
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Speaker 11: Australia looked to America was much more than the idea
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Speaker 11: of trading one strategic guaranteur for another, or swapping an
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Speaker 11: alliance with the old world for one with the new.
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Speaker 10: It was a.
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Speaker 11: Recognition that Australia's fate would be decided in our region.
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Speaker 2: When I was still having each who is with Tariff's
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Speaker 2: President Trump was making the point today, if you haven't
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Speaker 2: got a deal, you're unlikely to get a deal. That
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Speaker 2: of course means Australia. But we also know OURPM will
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Speaker 2: shortly meet with President g And what concerns me here
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Speaker 2: that China is demanding access in a trade sense to
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Speaker 2: Australia's artificial intelligence technologies. Now, I'll tell you what if
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Speaker 2: we don't want them in our embedded networks like a telephony,
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Speaker 2: and we don't want them in our energy networks, I
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Speaker 2: don't think we want them in our AI either.
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Speaker 7: I might note Peter, that could potentially be more of
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Speaker 7: an offer rather than looking to get what they can
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Speaker 7: out of us. I mean, China is leaps and bounds
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Speaker 7: ahead of Australia when it comes to developing artificial technologies.
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Speaker 7: We've seen this sort of race between the two big
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Speaker 7: companies in the world. You've got ten Cents in China
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Speaker 7: and also the chat GBT crew in the United States.
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Speaker 7: So potentially that is more of a carrot dangling than
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Speaker 7: anything an offer for Australia to get more involved in
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Speaker 7: some of the programs that are being developed in China.
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Speaker 7: That will certainly be on the table when the Prime
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Speaker 7: Minister meets with President She later in the week. It
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Speaker 7: is quite staggering really to note how much things have
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Speaker 7: changed in these nine months, Peter. At the end of
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Speaker 7: last year, remember, China still had trade sanctions on Australia.
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Speaker 7: There were a couple of beef producers, and lobster was
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Speaker 7: still in effect as well. They've since been removed, and
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Speaker 7: by the time the two leaders meet at the end
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Speaker 7: of the week, it'll be the United States hitting both
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Speaker 7: US and China with tariffs of their own. That is,
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Speaker 7: of course, well that's hitting everybody. And there's even one
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Speaker 7: school of thought, Peter, that a small silver lining to
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Speaker 7: the United States embarking on this tariff policy is that
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Speaker 7: it could see Australian markets boom, with not just China
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Speaker 7: but others looking to do a lot more business with Australia.
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Speaker 7: But of course it changes by the week, and there
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Speaker 7: is obviously that overwhelming concern about what a US China
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Speaker 7: trade war could mean for not just Australia but the
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Speaker 7: global economy as well.
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Speaker 2: Well, you are generally the upside guy and I'm the
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Speaker 2: downside girl when it comes to China and technology, because
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Speaker 2: I tell you what camp I've been to China ten
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Speaker 2: or so times every single time I've taken in a
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Speaker 2: burner phone. I will never take in any technology into
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Speaker 2: China because I'll never know what comes out with it,
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Speaker 2: So I would not be doing any partnership deal with China.
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Speaker 3: And Ai.
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Speaker 2: James just quickly bad polls for the Libs in Victoria.
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Speaker 3: I mean, clearly Victorians want to change the government. That's
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Speaker 3: what these polls today say.
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Speaker 2: Labors on the nose, but they haven't come across to
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Speaker 2: the Liberals, although in one of the polls the opposition
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Speaker 2: leader is the preferred at preferred premier. Now we saw
20:43
Speaker 2: with the case of Peter Dutton, he was ahead for
20:46
Speaker 2: many many months in the polls but didn't get their
20:48
Speaker 2: labor instead wins at a landslide. But to tell you what,
20:51
Speaker 2: lives have got to stop fighting amongst themselves and get
20:53
Speaker 2: their act together.
20:54
Speaker 9: Well, there's no doubt about that, and it's happening at
20:56
Speaker 9: federal level and also state level. Peter and I don't
20:58
Speaker 9: think this is a case of labor being the better side.
21:01
Speaker 9: If you use a sporting analogy that they're a mile
21:04
Speaker 9: in front on the scoreboard.
21:05
Speaker 10: The Libs are just such a rabble.
21:06
Speaker 9: Internally in some parts, particularly in New South Wales and federally,
21:11
Speaker 9: when they're arguing about quotas, and there's been this big
21:14
Speaker 9: push to have a quota brought in where there'd be
21:17
Speaker 9: a certain number of female members.
21:18
Speaker 10: Now that's being pushed by a couple of people.
21:21
Speaker 9: I would know that the petition that is driving that
21:23
Speaker 9: has five hundred and thirty signatures in favor of a
21:26
Speaker 9: Liberal Party quota, which doesn't even when you were booth
21:29
Speaker 9: in a federal seat. So I'm not convinced that the
21:31
Speaker 9: average person is convinced that is the answer. They just
21:35
Speaker 9: got to get back to basics, get their policies over
21:37
Speaker 9: the line. We know about more redeeming and Victoria and
21:39
Speaker 9: how bad that's been for the Libs, but it's certainly
21:42
Speaker 9: not a case of the Labor Party being the better
21:44
Speaker 9: side at this point in time.
21:46
Speaker 10: The Libs just need.
21:47
Speaker 9: A coach, a good halfback, good five eighth then they
21:50
Speaker 9: can get over the line. But yeah, if they get
21:52
Speaker 9: their act together, it's gay mine. But they've got a
21:55
Speaker 9: long way to go.
21:58
Speaker 2: You're kind again to what almost they need a whole
22:00
Speaker 2: new football team. But we will leave it there, gents,
22:03
Speaker 2: Good to see you. Let's crossing out them all well
22:05
Speaker 2: in Victoria, where skyn Is reported Georgie Dickerson is there.
22:08
Speaker 2: She's been doing the hard yads for us in the courtroom.
22:10
Speaker 2: Today we've only got a verdict. Aaron Patterson found guilty
22:14
Speaker 2: of triple murder.
22:16
Speaker 3: I can't saig.
22:17
Speaker 2: I'm the only one watching this unfold for the last
22:19
Speaker 2: couple of months. Georgie, I was staggered it took a
22:22
Speaker 2: jury into the second week to find her guilty.
22:25
Speaker 3: But here we are. Take us through today's verdict. Good,
22:30
Speaker 3: I mean to you, Peter.
22:31
Speaker 12: Yes, six and a half days is what these jurors
22:34
Speaker 12: did deliberate for. And while it might seem like a
22:37
Speaker 12: quite a long time, they did have so much evidence
22:40
Speaker 12: to sift through, which could have been a reason for
22:42
Speaker 12: why it did take that extended a few days that
22:46
Speaker 12: we kind of were expecting from these jurors. Fifty three
22:49
Speaker 12: witnesses is what we heard over these past ten weeks
22:52
Speaker 12: in the trial now entering its eleventh week. But today
22:56
Speaker 12: I was sat in the courtroom when the verdict was
22:58
Speaker 12: ultimately handed down to Erin Patterson. She was sitting only
23:01
Speaker 12: a few meters away from me, and I was watching
23:03
Speaker 12: her as the jurors said guilty or not guilty to
23:06
Speaker 12: those four different counts, And each count she was found
23:10
Speaker 12: guilty of guilty of the attempted murder of Ian Wilkinson,
23:14
Speaker 12: guilty of the murder of Heather Wilkinson, and guilty of
23:18
Speaker 12: the murder of Don and Gail Pattison. And each time
23:20
Speaker 12: is that guilty verdict was read out. She sat quite
23:24
Speaker 12: emotionless in the dock. She was sat next to two
23:27
Speaker 12: court officers and she was blinking a little bit, and
23:30
Speaker 12: that was really the only movement from her face. She
23:33
Speaker 12: didn't show any exmotion, No expression really changed on her
23:37
Speaker 12: face as it was handed down. The only real emotion
23:40
Speaker 12: from the courtroom was one of her supporters sat in
23:42
Speaker 12: the front row that was visibly upset as that verdict.
23:45
Speaker 3: Was handed down.
23:46
Speaker 12: And she did speak briefly as she exited court. And
23:50
Speaker 12: after the verdict was handed down, we were all told
23:52
Speaker 12: to exit the room so that the defense could have
23:54
Speaker 12: a minute with Aaron Patterson after finding out that she
23:57
Speaker 12: was now guilty of those four charges.
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Speaker 2: Peter just quickly Georgie, any word whether there's likely to
24:05
Speaker 2: be at an appeal here.
24:08
Speaker 3: We're still waiting to hear that.
24:09
Speaker 12: We did try to ask defense barrister Colin bent Mandy
24:12
Speaker 12: as he did exit court, but he didn't say anything
24:16
Speaker 12: to the media. There is a brief court mentioned that
24:19
Speaker 12: is scheduled for tomorrow and in the coming weeks we
24:21
Speaker 12: are likely to find out a few more dates and
24:24
Speaker 12: also the sentencing dates. We will find out around a
24:27
Speaker 12: month's time if there is an appeal, and after that
24:30
Speaker 12: likely to find out how long Aaron Patterson will spend
24:32
Speaker 12: behind bars.
24:35
Speaker 3: All right, thank you, Georgie.
24:36
Speaker 2: All right, after the break that horror weekend for Melbourne'
24:39
Speaker 2: Jewish community. But it's not just Melbourn's Jewish community, it's
24:42
Speaker 2: any Victoria, any Australian who stands in solidarity with them,
24:46
Speaker 2: and I think that is the majority. Plus we'll speak
24:48
Speaker 2: with a former AFP detective. I want to break down
24:52
Speaker 2: why it's taking so long for authorities to label this
24:56
Speaker 2: is terrorism.
25:01
Speaker 3: Welcome back.
25:01
Speaker 2: Still to count the catastrophic failures in Victoria's child protection
25:04
Speaker 2: system that has allowed multiple sex offenders, including alleged sex offenders,
25:10
Speaker 2: to slip through the cracks. Let's turn to what has
25:13
Speaker 2: been a horror weekend yet again for Australia's Jewish community,
25:16
Speaker 2: particularly those who live in Melbourne. There was the attempted
25:19
Speaker 2: fire bombing of an East Melbourne synagogue full of worshipers,
25:21
Speaker 2: including young children.
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Speaker 3: This is on Friday.
25:24
Speaker 2: Nina Man, of course, has been charged there. At the
25:27
Speaker 2: same time, an Israeli linked restaurant in the CBD was
25:30
Speaker 2: barricaded and vandalized by a large angry mob. Now on
25:34
Speaker 2: top of all of that, please have released CCC footage
25:37
Speaker 2: of an arson attack on a business that's previously been
25:40
Speaker 2: targeted by pro Palestinian protesters. Join me now to discuss this.
25:44
Speaker 2: Joel Bernie from the Australia Israel Jewishffairs Council.
25:48
Speaker 3: Joe, welcome a long for.
25:50
Speaker 2: The day when we get a Jewish community spokesperson on
25:54
Speaker 2: to speak about all the good things the Jewish communities
25:57
Speaker 2: doing in this country and not the horrors being visited
26:00
Speaker 2: upon them, I have to ask you, I mean, how
26:03
Speaker 2: is your community feeling after yet another terrible weekend in Melbourne.
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Speaker 8: Well, welcome back, Peter, and thank you for having me on.
26:12
Speaker 8: As you alluded to, you know, I would like to
26:14
Speaker 8: be here under different circumstances, but here I am, twenty
26:17
Speaker 8: two months after the greatest loss of life since the
26:20
Speaker 8: Holocaust in a bloody massacre of great pillage and murder
26:24
Speaker 8: that occurred on the seventh of October. As soon as
26:27
Speaker 8: the news spread across to Australia on that fateful day,
26:31
Speaker 8: we had vicious protests in the streets of Sydney and Melbourne.
26:36
Speaker 13: We all remember the issues on the steps and the
26:38
Speaker 13: scenes on the steps of the Opera House. And since then.
26:41
Speaker 8: There has been a sustained campaign against the very proud
26:45
Speaker 8: community that is given all that it is given to
26:48
Speaker 8: this great country of ours, and recognizes and identify themselves
26:52
Speaker 8: as great and proud Australians, but have been under intense
26:56
Speaker 8: steege and barrage from elements within our own society, ripping
27:00
Speaker 8: the fabrics of Australian social cohesion. And still to this day,
27:05
Speaker 8: after synagogues have burned, after child centers have been burnt down,
27:09
Speaker 8: and targeted instessant graffiti everywhere, including targeting of children. The
27:14
Speaker 8: question that we have in our community is when this
27:16
Speaker 8: is going to stop. There has to be an endpoint
27:20
Speaker 8: where the authorities in the government take it upon themselves.
27:24
Speaker 8: Instead of listing all the things that they've done and
27:26
Speaker 8: that they've tried to do, it's obviously not working, so
27:29
Speaker 8: get to work on finding out the solution to the
27:32
Speaker 8: problem and fix it quickly. And before what we've all
27:35
Speaker 8: predicted that blood is built when someone dies, it is
27:38
Speaker 8: just by him, miracle Peter, that no one has been
27:42
Speaker 8: killed in these attacks. But is that what it's going.
27:44
Speaker 13: To take for the government to actually do something about it.
27:49
Speaker 2: Look, I think we're all frustrated with I think we're
27:51
Speaker 2: all sick of the words. We're sick of you task
27:54
Speaker 2: forces and reviews and committees. It's a lot of talk,
27:57
Speaker 2: not a lot of action. And well, if you know
28:00
Speaker 2: your history, you know that burning synagogues with people inside
28:06
Speaker 2: is a feature of the historical hate against Jews. We
28:11
Speaker 2: know Crystal or marked when windows were smashed of Jewish businesses.
28:15
Speaker 2: That preceded the worst atrocities that humanity has ever visited
28:19
Speaker 2: upon other human beings in the Holocaust.
28:22
Speaker 3: So we've got all the lessons.
28:23
Speaker 2: From history, but we're absolutely not watching and learning and
28:27
Speaker 2: picking up on those lessons of history. I mean, I
28:30
Speaker 2: don't know about you, but another talk fest, another task force.
28:35
Speaker 2: I mean, how do you feel about that response today
28:37
Speaker 2: from the Victorian premier.
28:40
Speaker 8: Well, nothing is more jarring to the ears of a
28:43
Speaker 8: Jewish person in this country than to hear a political
28:47
Speaker 8: leader or a leader say there.
28:49
Speaker 13: Is no place for anti Semitism in this country.
28:52
Speaker 8: This is a formulated construct of artificial words with poor
28:56
Speaker 8: syntacs that are essentially meaningless to the people that are
29:00
Speaker 8: been under consistent siege for the past.
29:02
Speaker 13: Twenty one to twenty two months.
29:04
Speaker 8: So the idea of now, I think, is the fifth
29:07
Speaker 8: pass force that they.
29:08
Speaker 13: Have decided to put into operation.
29:10
Speaker 8: Now, listening to the other parts of the Premier's press
29:13
Speaker 8: conference today, we have antibilification laws that were passing the
29:17
Speaker 8: Victorian government, but seemingly the police haven't put them into
29:20
Speaker 8: operation yet.
29:21
Speaker 13: We have promised legislation that is still.
29:24
Speaker 8: Apparently being drafted after the Addas Synagogue burnt down in
29:28
Speaker 8: December last year, that would make it illegal for the
29:32
Speaker 8: face mask to be there and make it tougher and
29:36
Speaker 8: increase move on laws from the police. That's still in
29:39
Speaker 8: draft form. And then we're told by the Premier that
29:41
Speaker 8: will introduce it in the next session. Well, why was
29:43
Speaker 8: it an introduced in the last sex session? When is
29:47
Speaker 8: the immediacy of this matter going to come to the fore? Now,
29:50
Speaker 8: I'll add on to your crystal enough analogy, Peter, this
29:54
Speaker 8: community of Australia, most specifically, Melbourne has the largest percentage
29:58
Speaker 8: of Holocaust survivors outside of Israel living here in this
30:02
Speaker 8: great city of ours, and they have to bear witness.
30:05
Speaker 8: Those that are still surviving, have to bear witness to
30:08
Speaker 8: the horrors that they remember back in Europe in the
30:11
Speaker 8: nineteen thirties. This is how bad it has come that
30:14
Speaker 8: you've got the President, Prime Minister and Foreign Minister of
30:17
Speaker 8: Israel calling out the behavior of the Australian government, pleading
30:21
Speaker 8: with them to do more to protect the great citizens
30:24
Speaker 8: Jewish citizens of this country. And still to this day
30:27
Speaker 8: we still find ourselves in this position. A question to
30:31
Speaker 8: the Premier today, why does Victoria not implement a permit
30:34
Speaker 8: system like in New South Wales. Somehow that that is
30:37
Speaker 8: going to infringe on free speech and somehow the Propalacitian
30:41
Speaker 8: movement has become the best is a free speech in
30:43
Speaker 8: this country. This country has gone crazy, it's gone loopy,
30:47
Speaker 8: and unfortunately the victims of it are the Jewish community.
30:52
Speaker 2: Keep pushing, Joe, We'll keep pushing. I know there are
30:54
Speaker 2: so many Australians who had this to their back teeth.
30:57
Speaker 3: They're sick of the inaction.
30:58
Speaker 2: They're calling on the governments toe and we've got to
31:01
Speaker 2: keep this up. We can not let this take route
31:03
Speaker 2: in our country. Thank you for your time. Let's stay
31:06
Speaker 2: with this, but let's move to the policing aspect, because
31:08
Speaker 2: there's a lot here that worries me. Joining me in our
31:11
Speaker 2: former Australian Federal Police Detective Superintendent David Craig, I want
31:16
Speaker 2: to start with that fire at the East Melbourne Synagogue.
31:19
Speaker 3: What concerns me?
31:21
Speaker 2: Yes, counter Terrorism Police have charged an individual from New
31:25
Speaker 2: South Wales, Angelo Lorris, but they put out a statement
31:28
Speaker 2: they said they will continue to examine the intent and
31:30
Speaker 2: ideology the person charged to determine if the incident is
31:35
Speaker 2: in fact terrorism. Well, I don't know when I worked
31:38
Speaker 2: in the government. If it looks and smells and walks
31:40
Speaker 2: like terrorism, it's terrorism. What's the problem here with the definition, David.
31:46
Speaker 14: Hid hi everybody, But yeah, the problem with the definition
31:49
Speaker 14: is that it needs to have a political, religious, or
31:52
Speaker 14: ideologically based votive.
31:54
Speaker 13: So the acts themselves are setting.
31:56
Speaker 1: Fire to the front door of the boss may not actually.
32:01
Speaker 2: No, of a synagogue, of a synagogue, of a synagogue.
32:04
Speaker 14: Sorry sorry on a synagogue might say sorry, yeah. The
32:08
Speaker 14: attack of the synagogue.
32:10
Speaker 10: The fact that it was set thigh to that's criminal,
32:13
Speaker 10: no doubt. But unless sleep to a political.
32:15
Speaker 14: Religious, or ideologically based motive, then it's simply not going
32:19
Speaker 14: to be attended terrorism. But my concern is that these
32:23
Speaker 14: sorts of events should be treated as terrorism until proven otherwise.
32:27
Speaker 14: We saw him March earlier this year when there were
32:30
Speaker 14: threats to a mosque in Sydney.
32:33
Speaker 1: It was treated as a terrorism act immediately, this was
32:37
Speaker 1: threats online and then it would later on identify the
32:39
Speaker 1: people that it's not motivated that way, it was downgraded.
32:43
Speaker 1: Why aren't we doing this now with mosques, with synagogues
32:47
Speaker 1: and with attacks on the Jewish community.
32:50
Speaker 2: I was going to make that very point that in
32:52
Speaker 2: the case elsewhere where it is attacks on mosques, it
32:55
Speaker 2: starts off as terrorism until it's not terrorism. Unfortunately, if
32:59
Speaker 2: it's a sigogue, it never starts as terrorism. You have
33:02
Speaker 2: to go out of your way to prove an evidentiary
33:05
Speaker 2: burden and when it's reported then in a week's time
33:08
Speaker 2: that this was an event of terror, as we stood
33:10
Speaker 2: with the Adas Synagogue in Melbourne a little earlier I
33:14
Speaker 2: think was the end of last year. Of course, doesn't
33:18
Speaker 2: get reported the new cycle has moved on. Talk to
33:22
Speaker 2: me about this individual because years from Sydney. He's from
33:25
Speaker 2: a Sydney suburb in western Sydney. Of tune, Gabby, this
33:29
Speaker 2: is not a Melbourne person. So are we seeing cross
33:33
Speaker 2: border activity here? Are we getting things in a coordinated way?
33:39
Speaker 2: I mean you just heard Joel Bernie say Melbourne hosts
33:43
Speaker 2: the most Holocaust survivors outside of Israel. Is Melbourne being
33:47
Speaker 2: targeted by elements into state because of its large Jewish community?
33:54
Speaker 1: That's a very interesting question.
33:55
Speaker 14: For years there has been politically motivated people traveling in
33:59
Speaker 14: to state to attend protests or detention center rights for
34:03
Speaker 14: South Australia, different states, etc. My concern is that perhaps
34:09
Speaker 14: Victoria is now becoming the state of choice or terrorism
34:13
Speaker 14: and terrorist acts and hate crimes in Australia because of
34:17
Speaker 14: their lasadaisical, less in uniform and soft approach to these effects.
34:25
Speaker 3: Just quickly.
34:26
Speaker 2: I mean Victoria doesn't have a permit system like we
34:28
Speaker 2: have in.
34:28
Speaker 3: New South Wales.
34:30
Speaker 2: And Victoria used to have move on powers police. They
34:33
Speaker 2: were repealed in twenty fifteen by Daniel and Andrews. Everyone
34:37
Speaker 2: screaming to put them back in. Is this the sort
34:39
Speaker 2: of practical policing tools that vic Pole needs.
34:46
Speaker 15: Of course, without this, there is no way to administer
34:50
Speaker 15: any sort of form of fight against public fear by
34:54
Speaker 15: any group of individuals. If I was going to commit
34:56
Speaker 15: some sort of form of public intimidation or try and
34:59
Speaker 15: threaten a.
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Speaker 13: Particular group, what do with Victoria? Because you can get
35:02
Speaker 13: away with that at the mont.
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Speaker 15: And That's what I'm trying to excite any And I'm
35:05
Speaker 15: just saying how a nepts the government are at the
35:07
Speaker 15: moment in Victoria.
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Speaker 2: Ill over there, David Craig, thank you. I asked the
35:14
Speaker 2: break what are we not doing to protect our children?
35:18
Speaker 2: And we'll talk to an MP who has solutions. But
35:21
Speaker 2: once Parliament immediately recalled. Welcome back now to the ongoing
35:32
Speaker 2: investigation into the harrowing allegations of abuse at a childcare
35:36
Speaker 2: center in Victoria. Alleged childcare monster, twenty six year old
35:40
Speaker 2: Joshua Dale Brown has now been charged with more than
35:44
Speaker 2: seventy offenses, including rape, and this involves young infants and babies.
35:50
Speaker 3: He's now been moved.
35:51
Speaker 2: To the high security bar in prison, where it's been
35:53
Speaker 2: held in protective custody away from other inmates. Beyond these
35:57
Speaker 2: immediates of any charges. It's fear that more than twelve
36:00
Speaker 2: one hundred children might have been put at risk, given
36:03
Speaker 2: Brown worked at a number of childea centers in Victoria
36:06
Speaker 2: across a number of years.
36:08
Speaker 6: Now.
36:08
Speaker 2: Understandably, parents have been sickened by what they've been told
36:11
Speaker 2: and have been forced to take their babies and young
36:14
Speaker 2: children into hospitals to now be tested for sexually transmitting diseases.
36:19
Speaker 2: Across the country, decent Australians are asking themselves how on
36:22
Speaker 2: earth could this be allowed to happen. Yet on the weekend,
36:26
Speaker 2: more revelations as we learn that accused sex offenders have
36:29
Speaker 2: been allowed to continue working with children even while under
36:33
Speaker 2: police investigation. In one case in Horsham, a man there
36:38
Speaker 2: Ron Mark's last week convicted and sentenced for accessing almost
36:42
Speaker 2: one thousand images of child abuse material, including best reality
36:47
Speaker 2: and torture imagery. Well, he was allowed to keep working
36:50
Speaker 2: out a childcare center in Horsham and teaching little children
36:54
Speaker 2: about indigenous culture, despite the fact that police had raided
36:57
Speaker 2: his home two years earlier. These are nine isolated examples.
37:02
Speaker 2: They point to nothing short of the catastrophic failure of
37:06
Speaker 2: Victoria's child protection laws. He to discuss what it's must
37:11
Speaker 2: be done immediately to protect the most vulnerable. Is Victoria's
37:15
Speaker 2: Shadow Education Minister Jess Wilson, Well, I have to say
37:19
Speaker 2: which I was talking to you about lighter topics. I
37:23
Speaker 2: think people across the country are shocked. I think Victorians
37:26
Speaker 2: are asking themselves if laws must be changed. Jess, why
37:31
Speaker 2: isn't the parliament sitting today.
37:33
Speaker 5: It's a great question, Peter. And what we know is
37:36
Speaker 5: that we can change it now.
37:37
Speaker 3: We know what needs to be changed.
37:39
Speaker 5: We saw the case on the weekend of Ron Marx
37:41
Speaker 5: who was convicted and pled guilty for possession of child
37:45
Speaker 5: abuse material. Now he had a valid working with Children's
37:49
Speaker 5: Check and visited childcare center after the police started their
37:53
Speaker 5: investigation after they raided his home and found that material.
37:57
Speaker 5: The system is clearly broken. Look at what happened last
38:00
Speaker 5: week in Point Cook and that's centers right across Melbourne's West.
38:04
Speaker 5: The devastating news for those family. My heart breaks for
38:07
Speaker 5: those families, those twelve hundred kids that are now going
38:09
Speaker 5: testing for a sexually transmitted disease. We know what needs
38:13
Speaker 5: to be done now and the Premier needs to recall
38:15
Speaker 5: parliament so we can fix it and children are safe
38:17
Speaker 5: in childcare.
38:18
Speaker 3: So what is failing Victorians?
38:20
Speaker 2: Is it just the checking system for those who work
38:23
Speaker 2: in childcare centers.
38:24
Speaker 5: No, the working with children's check is part of it,
38:26
Speaker 5: that's for sure. We need to make sure that that
38:28
Speaker 5: looks backwards and make sure that we're picking up any
38:30
Speaker 5: red flags and we're looking at if there have been
38:33
Speaker 5: issues in the past. And in twenty twenty two, the
38:35
Speaker 5: Victorian Ombudsman said the current system isn't fit for purpose.
38:39
Speaker 5: It only picks up certain things charges and convictions. And
38:43
Speaker 5: what we see on the weekend is that loophole that
38:45
Speaker 5: floor that an investigation was underway when it comes to
38:47
Speaker 5: child sexual abuse material. So we need to expand that
38:50
Speaker 5: and that's what the Ombudsman recommended in twenty twenty two.
38:53
Speaker 5: And yet the Allen Labour government failed to actually take
38:57
Speaker 5: on that reform and put it through the parliament. We
39:00
Speaker 5: actually need to recall the parliament now to do that.
39:02
Speaker 2: I write on the weekend, Given your leader Brad Batten's
39:05
Speaker 2: experience as a police officer, why wouldn't the Premiere pull
39:09
Speaker 2: the opposition into her office and say okay, we're to
39:11
Speaker 2: work together and fix this. We can't tolerate anything else.
39:15
Speaker 2: What can we do quickly together as the two major
39:18
Speaker 2: parties in this state to protect children.
39:20
Speaker 3: Why hasn't that happened?
39:21
Speaker 5: And this should triscend politics. This shouldn't be about politics.
39:24
Speaker 5: It's bigger than that. It's more important than that. This
39:26
Speaker 5: is about the safety of our children. And Brad and
39:28
Speaker 5: I we wrote to the Premier and the Minister for
39:30
Speaker 5: Children on early last week to say we want to
39:33
Speaker 5: work together. We will stand ready to do anything we
39:35
Speaker 5: need to do to pass through the parliament. Bring us
39:38
Speaker 5: into this review, make sure we are part of it
39:40
Speaker 5: so we can pass anything quickly. But there are things
39:42
Speaker 5: we can do now. We don't need to wait for
39:44
Speaker 5: a review. We've had review after review.
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Speaker 3: We're just done that.
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Speaker 2: I mean, the review was a tactic used by this
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Speaker 2: labor government. Daniel andrews pineered it. She has followed up
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Speaker 2: with it. It means that whenever the media now pursues
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Speaker 2: her at a press conference and asks about this issue,
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Speaker 2: what are you doing? When's the parliament going to sit,
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Speaker 2: she says, I can't discuss this. It's all now before
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Speaker 2: a review. That's the problem with a review.
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Speaker 5: Well, all it's fine to have the review.
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Speaker 3: We're happy for that.
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Speaker 5: Process to play out and if recommendations come out of that,
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Speaker 5: we will support those. But we know what we can
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Speaker 5: do now.
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Speaker 3: And just on that. You've got a petition.
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Speaker 2: How can my viewers tonight support you to get the
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Speaker 2: parliament back there this week?
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Speaker 5: So we've already had thousands of Victorian families sign this
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Speaker 5: petition www. Dot Childsafetymatters, dot com dot au. Jump online
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Speaker 5: and tell the premiere you want to see the parliament recalled.
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Speaker 5: You want to put child safety first, you want to
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Speaker 5: put it before politics. Let's fix the safety system now.
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Speaker 5: We'll let the review play out. We'll implement those recommendations
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Speaker 5: as they come to the fore. But right now, let's
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Speaker 5: do what we can. Let's recall the parliament and put
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Speaker 5: child safety first.
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Speaker 13: All right.
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Speaker 2: I have to talk to you tonight about what's happened
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Speaker 2: in Victoria over the weekend. Melbourne in particular, another synagogue
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Speaker 2: was firebond on Friday night. This can't be tolerated in Victoria.
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Speaker 5: It can't be tolerated in Victoria. But I think the
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Speaker 5: time for words has passed. I think we actually need
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Speaker 5: to see action now. We hear the phrase anti Semitism
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Speaker 5: has no place in Australia or Victoria all too often
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Speaker 5: it's true, but let's actually do something about it. I
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Speaker 5: visited the East Melbourne Synagogue after the attempted fire bombing
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Speaker 5: on Saturday morning, and I could see the pain and
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Speaker 5: suffering of our Jewish community. It's enough, it's enough, and
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Speaker 5: now we've got the premiere pulling together another task force, another.
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Speaker 2: First to my point, just though that this is all
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Speaker 2: a smoke screen for action.
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Speaker 5: This is a government that is more interested in managing
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Speaker 5: the fallout of issues than actually dealing with it and
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Speaker 5: putting in place the changes or the reforms that will.
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Speaker 3: Ensure it doesn't happen again.
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Speaker 5: And for all too long, we've heard from Justint to Allen,
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Speaker 5: We've heard from Ben Carroll and the leadership of the
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Speaker 5: Labor Party that this is allful, it shouldn't occur. These
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Speaker 5: people should be brought to justice.
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Speaker 10: We'll do something about it.
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Speaker 5: We have put forward time and time again, move on
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Speaker 5: laws in this state giving Victoria police the power to
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Speaker 5: actually step in before these protests become violent, before what
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Speaker 5: happens at the restaurant on Friday night. We need those
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Speaker 5: powers to be given to Victoria police. Victoria police have
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Speaker 5: been asking for those powers, but Unfortunately the Allen Labor
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Speaker 5: government once again is refusing to do what actually needs
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Speaker 5: to be done to keep Victorian safe.
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Speaker 2: Well, if you get the parliament back this week, they
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Speaker 2: can be on the table as well.
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Speaker 3: Let be done. Jess Wilson, thank you, Thanks Peter. There
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Speaker 3: you go.
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Speaker 2: All the details about that petition to recall the Victorian
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Speaker 2: Parliament have ba blah blind Sky News's website, but also
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Speaker 2: on my social media as well. Coming up critical smelters
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Speaker 2: at risk of being shut down, unions leading the call
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Speaker 2: for change here, Let's go to embarrassed Chris Bowen, isn't
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Speaker 2: it And it's time now for childcare to help families
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Speaker 2: rather than laboured union mates. Up next, Welcome back. Earlier
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Speaker 2: in the program, I showed you the vision an event
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Speaker 2: held by Muslims in Melbourne today which I was told
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Speaker 2: was in response to those events at the synagogue where
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Speaker 2: these people pass by today and also that is Raelian
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Speaker 2: linked restaurant on Friday. Now, I'd like to clarify this
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Speaker 2: was in fact a pre planned religious procession held every
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Speaker 2: year by Muslims to mark a festival of asurer. Let's
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Speaker 2: bring in my panel for a whole lot of other
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Speaker 2: issues now, One Nation Chief of Staff James Ashby and
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Speaker 2: Liberal MP for Monash Mary Aldred.
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Speaker 3: I want to start with childcare.
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Speaker 2: You will have just turned my interview with Victorian Education
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Speaker 2: Shadow minister. There's a petition now to urge the Victorian
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Speaker 2: Premier to bring back the parliament and pass all the
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Speaker 2: laws needed to protect Victorian children. You can drive a
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Speaker 2: truck through the protection regime in Victoria. But I made
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Speaker 2: the point on the weekend and I made it again tonight.
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Speaker 2: Victorian or sorry, Australian taxpayer spend sixteen billion dollars a
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Speaker 2: year for childcare, but it's a one size fits or model.
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Speaker 2: Your kid must go into unionized childcare or there's no support.
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Speaker 3: Mary. I've said this for years and years.
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Speaker 2: I think the money's got to follow the child, not
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Speaker 2: where the care is provided. And this is an ample
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Speaker 2: opportunity for the Libs to step up and have a
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Speaker 2: policy difference with labor and fix this in the interests
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Speaker 2: of families.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 16: Absolutely, Peter, I mean it's horrific. My heart goes out
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Speaker 16: and my first thoughts are with the families impacted, obviously,
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Speaker 16: and Jess Wilson just spoke so well to what needs
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Speaker 16: to be done to fix this issue. I am just
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Speaker 16: horrified to see that. Debrah Glass cy Onbardsman called out
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Speaker 16: systemic failures back in twenty twenty two that weren't addressed
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Speaker 16: again in twenty twenty four. I'll come from a regional area.
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Speaker 16: Childcare and access to childcare has its own set of
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Speaker 16: challenges here. But I think you've got a long track record, Peter,
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Speaker 16: speaking very eloquently on this issue, and I support what
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Speaker 16: you've just said.
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Speaker 2: Let's go to the issue more broadly. I mean you're
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Speaker 2: talking about one man in Victoria now that will be
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Speaker 2: before the courts, possibly something like twelve hundred young kids affected.
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Speaker 2: We had another case in Horsham where a man's being
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Speaker 2: investigated for a two year period about child sex offenses
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Speaker 2: but still able to access childcare centers during that period
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Speaker 2: of time. He has since been convicted of these crimes.
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Speaker 2: And we had a police officer today, a former police
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Speaker 2: officer today on Sky News having this to say, have listen.
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Speaker 16: You know, males in child care might feel themselves branded,
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Speaker 16: but you're saying goes beyond that, and maybe they're just
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Speaker 16: this goes to protecting.
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Speaker 3: As you say, I'm ast vulnerable.
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Speaker 17: Well, this is going to be one of those issues
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Speaker 17: that's going to be collateral damage, you know. And it
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Speaker 17: might be ideological, it might be whatever. I don't care.
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Speaker 17: At the end of the day, it's about protecting our kids,
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Speaker 17: protecting the next generation, and we don't want these kids
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Speaker 17: messed up by these filthy animals.
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Speaker 2: James, you had that issue obviously in Brisbane too, or
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Speaker 2: in Queensland, similar to the Melbourne example from last week.
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Speaker 3: You've got to have the debate in the community.
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Speaker 2: Do we want men in childcare centers looking after young children.
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Speaker 2: It's tough to say, It is tough to say, but
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Speaker 2: that's a question we've got to ask ourselves.
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Speaker 18: Well, it's the debate that's happening around the dining room table.
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Speaker 18: We had it last night with my own family. We
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Speaker 18: all had a roast dinner and the whole family came over,
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Speaker 18: one of which is my niece who works in childcare.
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Speaker 18: My dad's worked in the education system as a cleaner
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Speaker 18: for the last fifteen on years. And the trouble is,
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Speaker 18: if you go throwing out men in childcare centers, where
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Speaker 18: does it end. We want to get rid of these
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Speaker 18: sick bastards. Don't get me wrong, they've got to go.
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Speaker 18: But we've got to get more serious about these blue
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Speaker 18: card systems. We've got the blue card here in Queensland.
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Speaker 18: I know that there is no universal system across the country.
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Speaker 18: This is where we've got to lead from a federal
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Speaker 18: point of view. I saw David Christophiley making those remarks
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Speaker 18: today as well. By all means, we've got to have
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Speaker 18: a look at what it is that we're failing on.
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Speaker 18: If it means restricting men's workload within an early childcare center,
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Speaker 18: so be it. If it means more cameras, so be it.
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Speaker 18: Federal government should stump up for those sorts of costs.
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Speaker 18: We find the money to go and put these CCTV
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Speaker 18: cameras in and around communities to keep people safe. I
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Speaker 18: want to keep every child safe when they're in those
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Speaker 18: early childhood centers. So it's got to be a whole
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Speaker 18: government approach. You know, you can go and recall Parliament
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Speaker 18: in Victoria, but the only partly protects Victorian kids. I
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Speaker 18: want all kids Queensland, every state, Victorian, New South Wales,
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Speaker 18: the whole country protected. And I think there's plenty of
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Speaker 18: people at home that would have already had this discussion
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Speaker 18: and they would agree. Something's got to change, but not
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Speaker 18: banning all men from early education.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: I think there's a place absolutely for men and male
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Speaker 2: role models in school settings. I'm not convinced that men
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Speaker 2: looking after babies under the age of two when we've
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Speaker 2: got this outbreak of issues is where families want care
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Speaker 2: to be provided.
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Speaker 3: It's got to go to the family. Mouney's got to
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Speaker 3: go to the family. Just quickly.
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Speaker 2: Unions are calling for some support for smelters. This will
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Speaker 2: make Chris Bowen pretty unhappy.
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Speaker 3: Mary.
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Speaker 16: Yes, it's a bit of a competition on is Australia's
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Speaker 16: worst energy minister, the Victorian or the federal minister. I'm
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Speaker 16: a Victorian. We've got an aluminium smelter in Portland, on
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Speaker 16: the other side of Victoria to where I am. But
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Speaker 16: we've got a transmission line that runs from Loyang, a
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Speaker 16: power station in the Latrobe Valley to power that aluminium smelter.
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Speaker 16: There is always the argument that's gone for years gone
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Speaker 16: by about the value back to taxpayers. But I'll tell
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Speaker 16: you what, taking that aluminium smelter out of our state.
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Speaker 16: You only need to look at the Social Security Bill.
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Speaker 16: We've had successive labor governments at a state and federal
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Speaker 16: level that have done terrible damage from the timber industry
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Speaker 16: to power jobs in regional areas. So it's really important
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Speaker 16: that we do everything that we can to make sure
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Speaker 16: we've got a strong sustainable future for those aluminium smellss
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Speaker 16: across Australia.
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Speaker 3: Great to have you both of the program.
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Speaker 2: My apologies of run out of time, but we'll get
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Speaker 2: back into it next week. Up next to Dineka to
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Speaker 2: Giorgio filling in for Angiboldt.