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Inside The OIG Interview: The Testimony Of The Electrical Engineer From MCC (Part 6) (4/27/26) · The Vault: The Epstein Files

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  Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the
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  Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're picking up where we
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  left off with the electrical engineer and his interview with
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  the OIG investigators. Question, so that was August ninth. You
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  left that day? What time? Answer on maybe the end
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  of my shift two pm or maybe like an hour later?
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  Question two pm? Answer? Yeah, two pm or maybe three.
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  Question When did you come back on shift? Answer six
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  am in the morning? Question on August tenth? Answer yes.
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  Question and what do you recall happened on August tenth? Answer?
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  As soon as I came to the front door, I
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  heard a body alarm on ten South and then I
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  ran up to the body of alarm on ten South,
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  I mean nine South. Question and who hit the body alarm? Answer?
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  I don't know. I guess the officer, whoever's on ten
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  and nine South? Question And when you got up there?
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  What did you see? Answer? I don't know. I saw?
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  What did you see? We were all just I don't
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  know what did I see? I got up there. Question
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  let's start off then, who was up there? And when
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  you got up there? Answer? Okay, when I got up there,
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  I got on the elevator with who did I get
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  on the elevator with. I think it was Redacted from
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  Food Services? Was there? Redacted? Was there? And redacted? And
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  I think lieutenant at the time was Lieutenant redacted? When
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  I got upstairs. Those are the officers that I remember.
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  And then the officers that were on the unit were
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  officers Thomas and Officer Noel. And then I just remember
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  us saying we needed to get the stretcher from the
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  hallway and an ad machine, and then they took him
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  and put them on the stretcher, and I think after
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  a little while the medical PA came upstairs and then
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  started working on them, and then me and redacted we're
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  still doing chess compressions. We took them to the second
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  floor until the ambulance came. Question, Okay, I'm going to
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  step back a little bit. So when the body alarm
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  went off, right, and you were in the elevator with
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  redacted and redacted when you got up there, who was
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  up there? Answer? I think Lieutenant Redacted I think was
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  upstairs already, maybe not. And then I know miss Noel
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  was there? Question Noel? Is that Noel? Answer? I don't
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  know how to say the name right. Question Tauven Noel.
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  Answer tovin Noel, she was there and Thomas was there?
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  Question Okay, is that Michael Thomas? Answer yeah, Michael Thomas.
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  Question so you were one of the very first people
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  on the scene. Answer yeah, question possibly the first maybe
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  Lieutenant redacted? Answer yeah, they probably. I think they might
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  have got up there before we did. I'm not too sure.
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  Question when you say they, was there someone other than that? Answer?
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  There was everybody in the elevator and it was just
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  like a malaise or he gets cut off. But you
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  said you were one of the first. So when you
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  are to the cell, what did you see? Answer? I
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  saw Thomas picking them up and people were helping them
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  put him on the stretcher. Question okay, so when did
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  you start doing the chest compressions? Answer like right away?
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  Question on the stretcher though, answer yeah, question okay, but
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  not on the floor. Answer no, I don't believe on
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  the floor. Well that's a lie from Michael Thomas. Then, right,
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  remember what he said and remember what Tova said. They
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  were lying. Question Sorry, I'll turn it back over to
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  you the other investigator. No, it's the same question. So
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  when you walk in, let's say you walk into the shoe.
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  Was the gates open already? Answered? The tear where he
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  was on was open, And I don't remember if the
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  sally Port door was opened because the inner door. I
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  think somebody had to open that door. Question. Okay, so
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  you walk in and you head right up to the tier.
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  Answer yeah, because we know that was the tier. Something
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  was happening on. Question who was standing? Answer I believe Thomas.
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  Question Thomas was inside or was outside? Answer? I think
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  he was inside the tier? Question was anybody outside the tier? Answer?
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  I think Noel was outside the tier because usually the
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  way Shoe works is one officer is in the tier
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  and one officer is outside of the tier. With a
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  key question and out of the few people that came
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  up in the elevator, were you the first one in
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  the room or was there somebody else? Answer? I think
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  Lieutenant redacted was there. He was pretty much directing everybody
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  what to do. Question and you come in, you walk
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  up the stairs from L tier answer M tier? He
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  was on em tier? I think which is the top? No,
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  it's El tier. Yes. Question and do you recall which
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  cell it was? Answer the first one as soon as
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  you go into the tier. Question so you go up there.
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  You look in and what is it that you see? Answer?
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  What do I see? Epstein? Like? Uh? Not tangible, like
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  not moving, not doing anything. And then everybody's like gathered
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  around him, and when we tried to move them to
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  the stretcher, and then we started working on him on
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  the stretcher. Question was anyone performing CPR when you walked in? Answer? No,
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  I don't believe so, because I think they were trying
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  to cut him down before I got up there. I'm
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  not saying I know exactly what happened, but I'm pretty
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  sure that they were cutting him down because he did
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  have some stuff wrapped around him. So I think that's
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  what happened. Question, So describe it. What was he wearing? Answer? U, huh. Question.
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  I know it's kind of tough, but answer he had
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  his orange boxers and an orange T shirt. I don't
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  know if he had socks on or not. Question So
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  he had orange boxers and he had an orange T
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  shirt on. Answer yes? Question and what else did he
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  have on him? Answer? I think whatever he wrapped around him,
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  they were trying to cut that off and move that
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  out of the way. Question So was it around his neck? Answer?
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  When I got there, I didn't see. I can't tell
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  you what was wrapped around him, but when I did
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  see him, I did see his neck was a little
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  bit bruise though. Question did he have anything on his head, headphones,
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  anything like that? Do you recall? Answer? Not that I recall. No.
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  Question And then where was he laying when you walked in? Answer?
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  I think it was by the time I got in there,
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  they were moving him and it was just get the
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  stretcher and the AED. Question okay, and CPR was done
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  and then he was taken out. Answer. We were working
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  on him, and then medical came up and kept working
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  on him, and then we took him downstairs. Question do
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  you recall how many mattresses were on the floor if
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  there were any? Answer? I don't recall. Question okay. Is
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  there anything about when you walked in that stood out
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  to you about that cell? Answer? No, nothing really distinctive,
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  just to shoe sell. Question and you mentioned you saw Bruce.
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  Where did you see the bruising? Answer around his neck?
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  Question on all sides or just one side? Answer? I
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  think around all sides. Question okay. And after they took
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  him to medical, did you follow them down? Answer? Yeah,
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  it was me and redacted We were doing chess compressions
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  on him until the second floor, and then we were
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  in medical and Redacted was making his phone calls and notifications.
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  And I don't know if Redacted gave him a shot,
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  but we had to keep working on him. Question redacted
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  is in medical, answer and the medical guy, and then
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  they tried to give him an AAD machine upstairs and
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  it didn't work. And I think the AAD machine was
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  still working on him when we took him downstairs. We
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  were still pumping his chest. Question and after the medical
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  office was he brought to the hospital? Answer That part
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  I don't know about. After all that happened, I just
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  knew that everything was short staffed, and since I came
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  in to do my job, there was nobody in custody.
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  So after all that, I went up to special housing
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  unit and I worked there for about an hour. Question
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  so you went back to the shoe? Answer? Yeah, question
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  what did you do? Answer? Settled inmate population down. They
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  get a little rowdy when they see stuff happen and
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  don't know what's going on, So you've got to just
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  kind of do custody work. Question who was in the
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  shoe when you were up there? Answer it? Was me,
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  Lieutenant redacted? I believe she came up from somewhere. Lieutenant
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  redacted was there, and the officer Noel was there. Question
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  she was still there? Answer yes. Question what was she doing? Answer?
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  She just looked a little disheveled, like she didn't know
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  what was going on, just stressed. Because that was her
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  first suicide. So when you see something like that, you
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  kind of don't know how you would react. Question did
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  you talk to her about it? Answer? I don't believe so.
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  I just kind of let her do her thing, and
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  I just had to get to because they were feeding
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  in the morning time, so you have to, you know,
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  try to settle everything down. Question when you got up
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  there and initially, do you recall if Officer Michael Thomas
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  or Noel Tovin Noel made any statements, any comments to
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  the lieutenant. Answer I don't really recall. It was like
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  a mess. I don't really know what was said. Question
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  did you assist redacted in giving out food? Answer? Yes.
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  Question were you in the same tier with them when
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  she handed out the food? Answer yes. Question do you
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  recall any interaction between her and the inmates? Answer there
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  was a lot of things, saying inmates said that were
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  heard not right. Question So what kinds of stuff did
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  the inmates say? Answer, you killed them? What they said,
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  you killed them? You weren't making rounds. You killed them,
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  You weren't making rounds. You guys got to get a
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  new job. You guys are done a lot of fuck
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  you this your mother that you know? It was just
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  gets caught off by the investigator. Did redacted say anything
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  back to them? Answer? I don't believe so. I don't
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  know what she said to the inmates, Like like I said,
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  it was just I don't know what was said back
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  and forth. Question do you recall if any comments were
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  made about providing an alibi for the CEOs? Answer no,
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  I don't believe so. Question anything else on that the
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  other investigator a lot. So we'll just go in reverse order.
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  So when you said you killed them, who killed them? Answer?
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  They like the officers killed Epstein? Question did they were
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  they referring to any specific officer? Answer the officers that
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  were up there, Thomas and Nowell. Question so they were
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  saying that they killed them? Answer, yeah, you guys killed them.
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  Question and did they say anything specifically about that? Answer? No,
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  they was just they were upset, so they were just
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  saying it, but they didn't say how. Question did anyone
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  say he gets cut off? They didn't say that they
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  went in the cells to try to kill him or
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  open the grill. They just said you guys killed them.
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  Question and what was Did you ask any follow up
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  questions with regard to that? Answer? I just know not
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  to say anything, so I just do what I have
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  to do and I don't get involved in that question.
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  Did they provide any other information with regard to you
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  when they were saying someone killed them? Answer? Just that
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  they didn't do rounds. That was pretty much about it.
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  Question Did they say anything more about not doing rounds
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  or just said that they didn't do any rounds? Or
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  what did they say about that? Answer? They didn't do
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  any rounds. They were sitting there all night. I don't
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  think they came over here once. Question. They said they
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  came over once. Answer They never came They never did
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  any rounds. Question they said they never did one. Answer
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  no question. Oh so they never did one? Answer yeah, question?
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  Is that what you mean? Answer? Yeah? Question? Okay, did
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  they mention when the round stopped? Answer? No question? No,
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  all right, you said that when you came back it
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  was Tovin, Nowell, and yourself, just the three of you.
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  Answer yes, I believe so. Question was Thomas already gone?
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  Then answer yes? All right, folks, were gonna wrap this
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  bad boy up right here, and in the next episode
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  we're gonna pick up where we left off. All the
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