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Aliens, Anthrobots, and AI · Kaleidoscope - Perspectives Beyond The Surface

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  Ryan, we're usually better prepared. We're not
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  today. We're always better prepared. This is
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  the first time. It's because you sprung this
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  on us. Ladies and gentlemen, dear internet, welcome
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  to Kaleidoscope. My name is Ruby Ray Liu, and
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  today I'm unexpectedly joined by my co -host,
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  Luigi, and a friend of the podcast, Ryan. See
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  you guys again. I'll say it again. My name is
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  Ruby Ray Liu. I'm what happens when you see too
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  many doctors and go to too many appointments.
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  Savage. Yeah. My name's Luigi and I don't have
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  a clever thing to say today because I was caught
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  off guard for this podcast. I'll be brutally
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  honest on this podcast. But. But I can say I
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  feel like Ryan's gonna be on here again and again
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  and again Perfect just cuz I feel like we need
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  to we I feel like we need to uh What's the word
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  I don't know how to say it we need to like you
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  know, we got to give a more a Professionalism
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  that makes sense You have to come back now so
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  that we can be more professional next time. Ryan's
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  our foreign expert. I'm a foreigner to you, Gary.
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  Official foreign expert. That's right. Congratulations.
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  Ryan, we were chatting before Luigi came up,
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  you said you have a few months to your PhD, which
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  is still mitochondria. and plenary worms. I have
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  to say this time I feel a lot more awake than
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  last time. Last time I was sleepy as fuck. Like
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  I accidentally, I did fall asleep for a minute
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  or two. I cut it out of the final podcast. You
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  should not be saying that. I'll cut it out of
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  this one too. Or you should say admittedly you
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  were falling asleep not because what we were
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  talking about was boring. No, I just said because
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  I'm not tired. Last time I was overtired. I was
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  over everything. I was so stressed and yeah,
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  I'm much better now. What are you, Ryan? Can
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  you introduce yourself to our listeners? Right
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  now I am looking for a lab. So I haven't really...
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  chosen exactly which path I'm going to take for
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  biomedical engineering. Probably something in
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  systems neuroscience. We're currently working
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  in an olfaction lab trying to figure out how
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  the nose works with the brain. But yeah, my path
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  is undecided at this very moment, and that's
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  what I'm really focused on. That's what it's
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  all about in the Academy, just wandering. Especially
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  when you get into the graduate years. Yeah, I've
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  recently been advised. I've recently been advised
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  that graduate years are better than non -graduate
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  years. Yes, true. I said that. It was me. Yes,
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  it was you. In our last podcast, Ryan, if you
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  watch it, you'll know. Oh my gosh, I'm busy uploading
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  it as we speak. It is completely uploaded. It
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  has now been uploaded. Goodness. There's a lot
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  of freedom involved at the same time. Some handholding
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  is kind of desired, because there's way too many
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  options. I don't know if we're doing it right.
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  Yeah, I think that's the problem with kids who
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  love school. Not that you're a kid. I'm going
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  to prefer to us as kids, but when you like learning,
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  it's hard to choose. And you kind of worry mentally
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  about like... if you're doing, what you're doing
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  is right and you want to do something else, like
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  there's so much you want to cover, but you have
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  to get used to just, just accepting that you
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  can only do one finite thing. It sucks, but you
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  know, when you're a professor, then then you
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  can keep on adding stuff to your repertoire.
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  This is probably being adjacent to where you
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  want to end up. Yeah. That's the goal. Sorry,
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  Ruby, we cut you off. No, it's okay. I'm just
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  listening. Are you guys still getting an echo
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  from me? No. You sound fine to me. No? Okay,
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  good, good, good. Ryan sounds like he's in a
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  fishbowl, but that's okay. Whatever. I'm so used
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  to audio problems with this podcast. Listen,
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  it's getting better. It is getting better. I
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  mean, I have a microphone. Yeah, it is. But there's
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  also some phones. That's obviously no longer
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  needed by phones. Great. Love that. From experience,
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  I can tell you that microphones don't matter.
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  They just fuck things up more. Can confirm. Today
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  we are talking about UFOs and what's psycho...
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  Psycho what? Cryptids. No, okay cryptids, let's
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  bring it all the way. I'll look here. I have
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  it on my side. Panpsychism. What is panpsychism?
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  I'm into it. I did a presentation on that to
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  my last lab I was rotating through. They tend
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  to be very physicalist, very materialist, very
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  anthropocentric. with their views because they're
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  working on neurodegeneration, tracking humans
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  and mice as their brain gets damaged, how does
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  the system compensate. And I see an issue, I
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  take issue with that because their models are
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  too narrow. Like if they took a step back and
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  looked at how intelligence exists in all of its
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  embodiments, I feel like they would get more
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  insight into the problems they're facing. So
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  I gave a talk on like a more generalized view
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  of intelligence and how it arrived. We didn't
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  like it so much. We're still pretty set and humans
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  are special. We are. I agree we are on this planet.
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  We are pretty special. Until the dolphins take
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  over time. Until the dolphins take over. That's
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  right. Listen, listen, you two, if we're gonna
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  go into these deep subjects, we really need to
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  make sure we carefully lay out what they are
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  before we talk about them some more. But first,
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  I think we should just ask fun, generic questions.
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  Random, random, what's it called? Not like a
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  speed. Quickfire, that's the word. That's exactly
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  what I was thinking, but I couldn't articulate
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  it. I was thinking speed round, but quickfire
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  is the word. It's okay, that's why I'm here.
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  That's why I'm the host. Like, I'm just here
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  to facilitate shit, aren't I? Absolutely. I don't
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  know anything about anything. I'm the only one
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  with an undergraduate degree here. Yikes. I'm
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  here to make washed up comedian -like jokes.
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  Graduate degrees are overrated. All degrees are
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  overrated. What is your fondest memory of me?
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  Hearing you scream every morning from the other
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  room. That was my alarm clock. Just so everyone
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  knows, Ryan and I, when we were teachers, we
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  worked at a school and we worked in teacher dorms.
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  So we were at buildings. We didn't have our own
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  apartments. We had to live on campus. And yes,
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  for the most part. I was always shouting for
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  some reason, for one reason or another. Absolutely
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  true. I enjoyed visiting you, having some of
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  your exquisite coffee pouring. I learned how
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  to let it breathe. Yes, I was also a hipster
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  for coffee. Here's the spiel, here's a lowdown
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  of what's happening that week. There's always
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  something happening. Yep. Yep. My... Luigi, I
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  drink a lot of coffee and I like my coffee really
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  strong. But you like your coffee burnt. Like,
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  it's so powerful. It kicks me in the teeth. Is
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  that true? Yeah. I've made you coffee, but I've
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  made you coffee with my really low -tier espresso
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  machine. No, no. At your house, coffee's good.
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  But whenever you were making coffee at, like,
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  at school... Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay,
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  we should also tell this to viewers. Yep. Coffee,
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  yeah, look at that, weird. Coffee apparently
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  plays a big part in the social aspect of my life
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  as an educator. Ruby and I, when we were working
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  together, we were also often in our boss's office
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  and he had a mocha espresso pot and I was tasked
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  with always brewing the coffee. He said I sucked
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  at it. I think he was right. But anyway, I always
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  had to make the coffee. So yeah, I guess, yeah,
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  that makes sense. That trance. In my mind, when
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  I'm pouring, I'm like, all right, let it freeze.
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  Look, look, the bubbles coming up. That's what's
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  up. Let it bloom. You got it, baby. I'm glad.
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  I'm glad you remember that. I have plenty of
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  fond memories of Ryan and I at work. Let's see
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  what's won. You having cast iron pots that me...
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  Cast iron pan sorry and me yelling at you about
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  how to take care of them because you had your
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  ideas about like what the internet said I thought
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  they were just woefully inaccurate and wrong
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  Like how you're supposed to treat them You just
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  you just were refused refused to clean them and
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  just keep like an inch or like a centimeter worth
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  of oil in them. I just thought, no, that is not
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  how you do it. I have a seasoned pan that I haven't
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  washed since I bought it. It was washed once
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  and then seasoned. uppity about seasoning, you
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  know, cast iron pans or whatever. Listen, you
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  can wash them with soap. It makes no difference.
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  The important thing is when you're done washing
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  them or rinsing them or whatever, you have to
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  like heat them again and smoke them. You should
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  wipe all that oil out because if you don't, they
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  will rust. And Ryan never did that and they were
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  always rusty. There's no rust. We just wipe it.
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  We wash it with like boiling water. We pour boiling
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  water over it. Yeah. Or like really hot water.
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  You can scrub it. Scrub the stuff off. Like use
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  a sponge. Then we have like a scrubber and we
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  scrub over it. And then you take a paper towel
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  and you wipe it clean. And then you spray new
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  oil. Exactly. And then you heat it again, right?
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  Until it like smokes. You should do that. You
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  do that before you cook. Oh my word. No. Just
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  leave cold oil in there a little bit. Disagree.
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  Disagree. You should heat it again and then let
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  it smoke and then just wipe all that new oil
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  off and then leave it for the next time. Okay.
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  Fine. That's just what I... I think that's right.
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  That's like the first thing we put together as
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  foreigners entering China. We all had our tetanus
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  shots, so I know you can eat that rest. You should
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  be trying my hit screen. Tetanus shots, yeah.
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  Hiding up that history, making that, ooh, niggling
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  flavor. Yeah. Brian and I had a lot of fun. We
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  did a lot of fun stuff. A little bit of lockdown.
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  Okay. What's the worst thing you've ever had
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  a tetanus shot for? And how many have you had?
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  One tetanus shot in like grade three or four.
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  I got into an argument with a student while playing
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  football and he came at me and then I put him
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  in a headlock. Mind you like nine or ten and
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  then he bit my leg and hits like teeth marks
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  or in my leg. Oh Like that's how hard he bit.
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  So I had to get I had to get a tetanus shot Because
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  they're like, oh, we don't know. Do you still
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  have the scar? No, I don't disappointed Well,
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  I guess it wasn't that bad but that's like a
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  Little extreme a tetanus shot. That's my worst.
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  Yeah didn't walk on a nail or anything, got bit
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  by another human being. Not rabid, though. So
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  you'd think the doctors would be like, no, it's
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  fine, whatever. I'm not a doctor. What about
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  you, Ryan? COVID shots, it's kind of required
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  three just to keep it going. And then coming
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  back to the United States, they're like, no,
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  none of those count. Here, have two more. Just
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  so I could travel to South America. Plus the
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  yellow thing at the same time. I mean, yeah.
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  I remember those COVID shots, yep. Yeah, if I
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  recall, we had to get COVID shots in our city
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  and then they ran out of the shop. So then we
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  had to go to another hospital and get a totally
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  new shot. Yep. My worst tetanus shot was inflicted
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  on me by an e -bike late at night. Really? Yeah,
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  you know about it. It was when I left school
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  early every single day because my foot was literally
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  cut open. I don't remember that. Okay, anyway,
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  I'll tell the story. There's a little kickstand
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  on an e -bike. I'm sure you're aware. We all
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  know. Yeah, you all know. For the listeners,
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  there's a little kickstand. And when I say e
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  -bike, it looks like it's an electric moped.
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  And this little kickstand makes contact with
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  the ground, regularly. It doesn't start sharp.
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  But eventually, over a couple of years, it will
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  sharpen itself against the tar of the road or
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  wherever you put it, the concrete. Like, uh,
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  I never, okay. Yeah, okay. It was, um, it was
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  a hot summer's night and I was wearing like the
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  Plastic Birkenstocks. Because it had to rain
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  the previous day. Okay. But the reason I'm saying
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  this is they are not porous and they have like
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  a bathtub of a shape. Right? Okay. Yeah. Yeah.
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  I don't mean... Yeah. So the e -bike is stuck
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  because when I parked it, the front wheel had
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  like gone into the bedding of a tree. And it's
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  late at night. I've had a couple of drinks and
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  I'm... pulling this e -bike out, it won't budge,
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  right? So I put like, I really put all my weight
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  behind it and I pull it out and it goes over
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  this like root or whatever. And as it does that,
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  that little kickstand is like one centimeter
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  into my toe and just slices through my toe. Um,
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  and I didn't realize it because you know, when
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  you get hurt, you don't, you don't feel anything.
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  So I'm like walking, I get on the e -bike. I'm
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  like, why the hell is my foot wet? And then I'm
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  like, why, why does my toe itch? Oh my God, that's
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  painful. I look down, I can't see anything cause
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  it's dark. Put my flashlight on my, on my, on
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  my phone and. The whole like bathtub shape of
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  this Birkenstock is just filled with blood Yeah,
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  I It's it's like 1130 at night. So I ride back
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  home Stop limp upstairs Blood is like starting
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  to pour out of this Birkenstock get back in get
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  in the house and just staunch the blood, right?
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  I'm so tired. I Take acetone. Yeah, like Dettol
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  and just pour it over there. Stick a shot with
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  like a Band -Aid and sleep. The next morning
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  I go and get four stitches, yeah. It was super
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  painful. And the doctor's like, why didn't you
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  come here last night? I'm like, dude, I was,
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  yeah, it was not a good time. I was really sleeping.
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  Really that happened when we worked together?
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  Yeah. Wow. I don't even remember. I feel like
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  a bat. We hadn't kindled our friendship yet.
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  No way. Uh -uh. I refuse to leave that. It was
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  a little bit before. It was like really early
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  on. Okay. Really early on. Fine. Fair. Okay.
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  That, I believe. All right. Ryan, any tennis
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  story? Oh yeah, COVID, right. Okay. No. His was
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  so unremarkable. He said his tennis stories were...
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  All right. Fair enough. Ryan, you need to ask
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  us one rapid -fire question, then they will dive
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  into UFOs. They don't have to be smart. You just
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  ask us anything. How was your day? What did you
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  do? I'm serious, but everyone would have me planting
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  these. I've got a bunch of hydroponic systems
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  and I'm just planting every random vegetable
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  or fruit. What would you guys put there? I'm
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  so jealous. Ryan, do you remember when we found
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  that kind of plant that we shall not name on
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  this podcast right before we stopped working
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  together? Why shall we not name it on this podcast?
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  Because I don't want to get in trouble. Was it
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  a mushroom? No, a mushroom is not a plant. Did
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  it want to give you a high five or a high seven?
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  Grows on the wild out in China, but people don't
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  recognize for what it is. Yeah, they don't recognize
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  it at all Yeah, speaking of plants. I mean, I'm
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  always growing plants But you know, it was the
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  job I was at We can't say the name you guys gonna
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  get sworn by agents right away. That's right
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  It was just like a plant anyway That's not a
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  couple of times. Really? Yeah, I've been near
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  Mongolia. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Somebody knew what
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  it was. Yeah, I mean, that goes without saying.
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  But yeah, I mean, I'm a plant aficionado. I wouldn't
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  say that, but because like the job you and I
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  worked at, that's when I discovered my love of
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  houseplants. Yeah. Yeah. Yes, our boss, the principal.
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  Yeah, I was taking care of the principal's plants.
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  And I sucked at it. I think I killed all of them.
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  I just didn't know how to do plants. And then
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  we lived in these tiny cramped dorms, so I thought,
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  oh, the air in here is not clean. I hear if you
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  have a lot of plants, it'll clean the air. So
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  then I started an obsession with houseplants.
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  And then now I just love growing plants for other
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  reasons. So I've got I don't know It's like 40
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  house plants as you know Ruby Yeah, I heard that's
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  the thing. I don't have that many in my room
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  I do they do get killed every year some of my
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  plants die most of my plants die and I have to
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  spend the year saving them because The people
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  I asked to take care of them They can't take
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  care of plants, and they don't care to, but they
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  agreed to help me. Just imagine what your principal
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  felt like when you killed all of their pets.
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  This is redemption. I would talk, you could look
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  at it that way, I would talk to her every day
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  and be like, oh, what's happened? This plant's
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  doing this, blah, blah. And she'd be like, I
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  don't worry about it. But I think wherever she
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  is in the world, Ryan, I think you visited her,
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  but I think a big part of her life is like a
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  coffee shop and plants. Yeah, her whole house
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  is just surrounded by gardens. She just has a
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  little cabin on her property that people come
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  in and buy food directly through them there.
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  And it's awesome. Look at that. What a dream.
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  Living the dream. Let's dress in sin while I
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  put you there. Listen, here we go on about, you
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  know, the faults of all of these kinds of schools,
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  but you know, that's Charter Schools for you.
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  All around the world, you know? Can't be helped.
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  That's right. What can you do? Alright, Ruby,
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  let's get into it. What are we talking about
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  today? Do you have any perspectives, Ruby? I
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  can... Okay, I have a perspective. Yeah. UFO
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  sightings only happen around technologically
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  advanced countries because... UFO, whatever is
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  flying the UFO understands that that is where
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  the risk is coming from. But that being said,
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  so there have been, and I just searched this
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  in South Africa. There is a history of UFO sightings.
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  notable events including a 1995 flap I don't
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  know what it that's that's what the incident
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  is called it's called the flap incident and then
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  okay in 1914 there was a monoplane scare so like
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  in 1914 people saw a plane in South Africa yeah
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  okay and then there's an aerial school incident
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  in 1994 where 60 children reported seeing a UFO
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  and aliens. Wait a minute. That's in Zimbabwe.
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  That's like Rua or whatever it's called. Let
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  me look it up. That is one of my favorite spooky
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  UFO stories. I like that story. I've never heard
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  of it. Really? Really? So, more direct, I don't
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  know. He did, you know, E .T., Spielberg. That's
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  exactly like the Napster mummies, if you compare
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  their anatomy. So, it seems like he knew what
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  those mummies were going to look like 20 years
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  ahead of time. The thing I like about the aerial
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  school in Rua is that it's one of the most credible
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  UFO scenarios recorded. Rua, okay. How do I define
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  credibility? How do I define credibility? I guess
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  in the instance of UFOs, not easily disproven,
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  not explainable. But the one problem I have with
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  that is, why it tracks is because you have all
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  of these children reporting this story. And how
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  do you get all of these children? get them to
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  opt in to tell this story about this experience.
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  The only thing I could think of is that they
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  were tricked. So, you know, for the viewers,
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  if they don't know this story, a school in the
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  country of Zimbabwe, in the continent of Africa,
• 24:50
  in a city of Rua, maybe? Okay, there was a school
• 24:56
  and a UFO landed and I believe an alien came
• 25:04
  out and all of these kids met the aliens. And
• 25:08
  after that, some, I don't know, some professional
• 25:13
  came and interviewed all the kids and made a
• 25:15
  documentary. And the adults never saw the alien.
• 25:20
  And then, oh, I think maybe a psychologist came
• 25:23
  and made a documentary, maybe. And... interviewed
• 25:26
  all the kids and they were all, they all experienced
• 25:28
  it. So how do you get all of these kids to opt
• 25:32
  into this story? The only explanation I could
• 25:34
  think of is that they're really clever and they're
• 25:37
  like, yeah, let's do it. And someone incentivized
• 25:39
  them like, you'll get a bunch of candy if you
• 25:41
  do this. I mean, I could probably get my whole
• 25:45
  class of nine -year -olds to lie if I rewarded
• 25:47
  them with something. But I just feel like that
• 25:51
  wouldn't happen. there were some adults behind
• 25:56
  it and they dressed up as aliens and then they
• 26:00
  pretended. And it's a really good hoax. But I
• 26:06
  don't know. So the reason I asked about credibility,
• 26:09
  well, two things. One about credibility, also
• 26:11
  about John Mack, the pattern I'll point out when
• 26:14
  I give my spiel. But credibility, yeah, there
• 26:17
  was a lot of people. all saying the same thing,
• 26:20
  which does lend weight to it. But again, it's
• 26:22
  just human testimony. So as I said, it could
• 26:25
  be in some way. I find when there's human visuals
• 26:30
  and radar or some other kind of sensor both corroborating
• 26:34
  the same event, that seems more compelling to
• 26:37
  me. So like the event where UFOs flew over the
• 26:40
  White House in 1952 on two consecutive weekends,
• 26:44
  there were radar domes on either side of Washington.
• 26:48
  tracking these things along with the human eyes.
• 26:51
  So for me, that's like, that definitely was a
• 26:54
  flying object that everyone was looking at, land
• 26:57
  or hover over the white house. Depends on how
• 26:59
  many, how many independent points are validating
• 27:03
  the hypothesis you're looking at. Back to that
• 27:07
  psychologist, I believe he worked at Harvard.
• 27:10
  And I went to go interview all the students at
• 27:12
  Ariel. Um, you'll see time and time again that
• 27:15
  scientists who take this subject seriously, or
• 27:17
  at least consider the non prosaic physical, physicalist
• 27:22
  hypothesis are often ridiculed by the community.
• 27:25
  They have character assassinations throw at them.
• 27:27
  So the guy that went and interviewed, the reason
• 27:29
  we have all these testimonies from these children,
• 27:31
  um, he was lambasted when he came back to the
• 27:34
  States. Like he, people are asking to have him
• 27:36
  fired. You shouldn't be taking this subject seriously.
• 27:39
  And it wasn't until there was a campaign to say,
• 27:41
  like, hey, let this guy do science, that he was
• 27:43
  reinstated and had his medical license given
• 27:47
  back. What's up with that? Why can't we consider
• 27:50
  all the hypotheses? That's what science does.
• 27:54
  You're right. We should consider all the hypotheses,
• 27:57
  every single one. I agree with you. I guess the
• 28:00
  question would be, why doesn't the scientific
• 28:05
  community create a field of I don't know, extraterrestrial
• 28:11
  or like UFO study. Does it not exist? It started.
• 28:16
  There was the conference. There's one that takes
• 28:17
  it seriously, you know, like it exists but in
• 28:21
  the realm of like ghost hunting. And it's informal.
• 28:25
  It's kind of like chiropractic. Isn't like the
• 28:29
  set tea. Maybe there'll be some listeners who
• 28:30
  will be like, how dare you. Isn't the, like,
• 28:33
  SETI satellite array specifically designed just
• 28:36
  to find extraterrestrials? But he's compromised.
• 28:41
  It's compromised. Oh, no. Why? So, they will
• 28:47
  not comment on any corroborated event. They're
• 28:51
  still under the impression that everything's
• 28:53
  explainable by humans just misattributing planets.
• 28:57
  Oh, you just saw Venus. Yeah, Venus is flying
• 29:00
  through the sky at supersonic speed. Sure. Uh,
• 29:03
  like they, they give the same bullshit explanations
• 29:06
  that anyone who like Mick West uses to just hand
• 29:09
  wave away everything as human psychological issues.
• 29:13
  It's not, none of it's real. It's all a trick
• 29:15
  of the mind. Right. If you're searching for extraterrestrial
• 29:18
  intelligence, look here, we have plenty of evidence
• 29:21
  to troll through. So there's groups called like
• 29:23
  MUFON. MUFON's an old one. They've been around
• 29:25
  for a long time. Um, but now, nowadays for the
• 29:28
  past three years, uh, there's a, an annual conference
• 29:31
  called the Seoul conference. Uh, they met at
• 29:34
  Stanford. You see like Abby Logue and, uh, military,
• 29:37
  top military officials, top university professors
• 29:41
  all meeting and discussing how can we actually
• 29:44
  approach this from a scientific standpoint? So
• 29:47
  the ball's rolling. Um, the conference is still
• 29:50
  meeting every year. Uh, people are actually doing
• 29:53
  science, um, NASA just had a really interesting
• 29:55
  podcast. They have a, they fund a podcast where
• 30:02
  private industry workers can come in and talk
• 30:04
  about how their space related field is doing
• 30:07
  like the state of the art. And one of their most
• 30:09
  recent podcasts was people who work in the UFO
• 30:12
  space, but from a private industry standpoint.
• 30:15
  So they're the ones that are reverse engineering
• 30:17
  tech and doing stuff with it. Definitely check
• 30:22
  out episode 69 of the Future Economic Forecast
• 30:27
  podcast by NASA. I have to name exactly. But
• 30:31
  it's interesting because it's now getting so
• 30:34
  commonplace to talk about these things and now
• 30:37
  people who legitimately their job is to reverse
• 30:40
  engineer these craft in private industry are
• 30:43
  just speaking openly about it. Like, yeah, this
• 30:45
  is what I do. Thoughts, Ruby? I don't know enough,
• 30:49
  but I like it. Like, I'm definitely, like, I
• 30:51
  love, I love this kind of stuff. And I believe,
• 30:56
  unlike you, I lean towards UFOs and not towards
• 30:59
  cryptids, even though the non -existence of cryptids
• 31:04
  makes me sad. I know you're going to bring that
• 31:07
  up. It's still fresh. Man, the Markman's real!
• 31:15
  I love cryptids too. Um, Ryan, what's your, what,
• 31:22
  what are your thoughts on cryptids? Real or not?
• 31:25
  I mean, it is compelling the fact that there's
• 31:27
  the same mythos on both sides of America's of
• 31:35
  some hairy, very tall beast walking around. There
• 31:39
  was a, the name escapes me, but there was a town
• 31:42
  back when, during the gold rush when people were
• 31:45
  rushing over here to the West side. There was
• 31:48
  a town in the panhandle of Alaska right near
• 31:52
  the Canadian border, um, that everyone, the whole
• 31:55
  town got abandoned because apparently there was
• 31:57
  a giant hairy man that was killing, killing them
• 32:00
  off one by one. Anyone who ran into - That's
• 32:02
  fantastic. Yeah. The whole, enough people, they
• 32:06
  even sent the military to try and figure it out.
• 32:09
  But eventually the military fled and the town
• 32:11
  was abandoned because it's like, no, this ain't
• 32:13
  working. What are the chances that that big hairy
• 32:25
  anthropomorphic man thing is a UFO? What? Zero.
• 32:31
  Because UFOs are unidentified flying objects.
• 32:35
  An alien is my point. Comes from a UFO that crashed
• 32:39
  long ago. See, that's an interesting question
• 32:42
  because aliens in pop culture are not big hairy
• 32:47
  things. They are, if anything, hairless. And
• 32:49
  we make an association between like the thing
• 32:52
  that is primitive and inhuman or like unevolved
• 32:56
  as being like a hairy beast. But aliens, you
• 33:01
  know, the little green men, grays, whatever you
• 33:04
  want to call, are effectively hairless. And it
• 33:09
  represents... you know, something from the future
• 33:14
  or something more evolved. And I think that's
• 33:16
  a really interesting point for why cryptids are
• 33:21
  not really real and maybe aliens are not really
• 33:24
  real, not the aliens as we know them because
• 33:27
  they are they are explanations or mirrors for
• 33:33
  our like fears or anxieties or curiosities of
• 33:40
  Human nature or being human, you know, like what
• 33:44
  what does the Yeti represent? really who is the
• 33:50
  Group that believes in the story of the you know,
• 33:54
  let's say the Yeti. I mean Like Ryan said the
• 33:58
  Yetis from all over the world. There's stories
• 34:00
  of the Yeti in most cultures I think you know
• 34:03
  in Native Americans. It's the Wendigo in China
• 34:06
  It's the Yiren, which is a wild man in the Americas.
• 34:09
  It's Sasquatch. Sam Squatch in the Yetis also,
• 34:13
  you know, in the Himalayas. So, I mean, we, I
• 34:20
  think Native American lore, let's say, and like
• 34:26
  the Wendigo is a good example of a legend that,
• 34:34
  you know, expresses a culture's... Kind of anxieties
• 34:39
  about something not that the Yetis particularly
• 34:41
  real not that any of them are real But I think
• 34:43
  really that's that's the thing behind it. I mean,
• 34:47
  okay, I don't I don't refuse to believe that
• 34:51
  there is not life beyond Earth, but I Don't think
• 34:57
  if there is life beyond Earth they care to come
• 35:00
  and interact because if there's also another
• 35:02
  kind of like what's Ryan you probably know this
• 35:04
  there's some kind of hypothesis or theory about
• 35:09
  if aliens existed or exist and if they come to
• 35:16
  Earth or the reason why they won't come to Earth
• 35:19
  because if they come and interact with us it
• 35:22
  will be like inevitable death and destruction
• 35:26
  like they'll have to kill us because they don't
• 35:30
  want because we'll be a potential threat They
• 35:34
  have no choice. Dark Forest Hypothesis. The Dark
• 35:39
  Forest, that's what it is. Yes, the Dark Forest
• 35:41
  Hypothesis, yes. Three body problems. Fascinating
• 35:45
  count. Yeah. Was that created by the three -body
• 35:50
  problem that was made up in the three -body problem?
• 35:53
  Nice to address it. Yeah, people apply game theory
• 35:55
  to everything. Yeah, the best idea is to just
• 36:02
  never... Put your voice out there in the space.
• 36:04
  It's like, too late, we're already sending signals.
• 36:07
  Right, okay. So, yeah, let me explain for the
• 36:11
  audience real quick. So, the dark force hypothesis
• 36:16
  is a theory from, or something made up, I guess,
• 36:20
  that tries to explain something called... I have
• 36:21
  the answer to this. It's a proposed solution
• 36:24
  to the Fermi paradox. What is the Fermi paradox,
• 36:28
  though? What's the Fermi paradox, please? The
• 36:33
  Fermi paradox is the question of why we haven't
• 36:35
  heard from any alien civilizations despite the
• 36:39
  vastness of the universe. Exactly, like theoretically
• 36:43
  the universe is filled with life, statistically
• 36:46
  it is. Yeah, and the Dark Forest hypothesis comes
• 36:50
  from the novel, the science fiction novel written
• 36:53
  by Chinese author Liu, oh just like Ruby Wright,
• 36:59
  Liu Cixin. from who wrote the book, The Three
• 37:02
  -Body Problem, or the trilogy Three -Body Problem.
• 37:07
  And it means that, or rather, he compares the
• 37:13
  universe to a dark forest in that every civilization
• 37:15
  is a silent hunter in the forest. So we're all,
• 37:19
  you know, ready to kill. Forest is dark because
• 37:23
  nobody knows who else is what out there. No one
• 37:26
  knows who or what is. out there, and like, that's
• 37:29
  like the universe. We don't know what's out there,
• 37:31
  but we assume something's out there. And, or,
• 37:34
  that everybody's hiding from each other, because
• 37:37
  if we make noise, we could attract attention
• 37:40
  from others who might destroy us. That would
• 37:43
  be the most scary first contact signal, is, be
• 37:47
  quiet, they're out there. Yeah. You got to be
• 37:52
  too loud. Yeah. Be quiet, shut the fuck up. Well,
• 37:56
  yeah. We are too close to you for comfort. You
• 38:02
  need to be quiet. I think it's more likely, I
• 38:11
  want to believe that it's more likely that they
• 38:13
  have basically a non -interference clause. If
• 38:18
  they are spacefaring, they allow us to evolve
• 38:22
  just like in Star Trek. And the reason I think
• 38:26
  that we have this dark forest hypothesis is because
• 38:30
  it's a reflection on human history. Because everywhere
• 38:34
  we colonize, we rape and pillage. And the second
• 38:39
  one is fear is just hardwired programmed into
• 38:45
  our system, and it's just way louder than compassion.
• 38:51
  But compassion... tends to win the day in the
• 38:56
  end. I really hope that's where we go. It's a
• 38:59
  nice sentiment. It's not going to as well. But
• 39:04
  I believe the reason we haven't heard from anyone
• 39:06
  yet is because we have and the public's not allowed
• 39:10
  to know it. So there's a long history of leaks.
• 39:14
  It's like the worst kept secret in human history.
• 39:17
  Yes, aliens have contacted us already and every
• 39:20
  time anyone talks about you, you're like, oh,
• 39:22
  call us to that guy. Don't be like John Mack
• 39:27
  and interview these people. Don't even take it
• 39:29
  seriously. Relax, guy, relax. No, take it seriously.
• 39:36
  Just consider it. I'm not saying it's 100 % true,
• 39:39
  but consider it. You'll be amazed at how many
• 39:42
  times and in so many different ways this secret
• 39:44
  has leaked. Well, maybe that's what makes the
• 39:47
  Fermi paradox more believable because It's being
• 39:53
  kept hidden because maybe governments don't want
• 40:00
  the attention. Because maybe governments think,
• 40:05
  if someone contacted us from far away, then clearly
• 40:09
  their technology is better than ours, and therefore
• 40:12
  they are more of a danger. Yeah, any any spacecraft
• 40:17
  that could get to our solar system would be a
• 40:19
  weapon in and of itself that's capable of killing
• 40:22
  us like that kind of rocket The kind of energy
• 40:28
  required to move whatever that is here and stop
• 40:32
  insane Equal amount just You're looking at like
• 40:37
  what a Dyson sphere level power Hopefully they
• 40:43
  stop somewhere away from Earth and not like just
• 40:45
  land. I remember hearing some prototypes of how
• 40:48
  we could get to the nearest star and they were
• 40:50
  talking about, yeah, but like everything within
• 40:52
  like a one AU bubble around where we stop would
• 40:55
  pretty much be destroyed. So we should stop far
• 40:58
  away from any planet we want to look at. What
• 41:02
  do you think is the, in your opinion, what Let's
• 41:08
  talk about the Alcubierre Drive. And what is
• 41:12
  the closest thing we have to FTL capabilities,
• 41:16
  like, hypothetically? Wait a minute. Wait a minute.
• 41:21
  You're using too much fancy words. You have to
• 41:24
  tell everyone what this means. Like, what is
• 41:27
  the... What did you say, Ruby? The what drive?
• 41:30
  The Alcubierre Drive is very interesting. Okay,
• 41:33
  what is that? So there are two drives hypothesized
• 41:37
  now that could in theory get us up to like or
• 41:41
  close to light speed. The one, I don't know what
• 41:44
  it's called, but it's like a closed system and
• 41:46
  it's basically kind of perpetual in terms of
• 41:51
  energy because it uses electrons within itself
• 41:55
  to somehow overcome Newton's What is it Newton's
• 42:01
  first law? For every action, there is an equal
• 42:03
  and opposite reaction. So something can't push
• 42:06
  itself forward without expelling something, right?
• 42:11
  Sorry? And then say Alcubierre drive. I mentioned
• 42:17
  this before to you. It treats time and space
• 42:24
  like a travelator treats... people in an airport
• 42:31
  or an escalator treats people going up. It shrinks
• 42:35
  the space in front of you and stretches it out
• 42:38
  behind you. So if you walk on a travelator, you
• 42:43
  go relatively, you go much faster, but from your
• 42:48
  own perspective, you're traveling the same speed,
• 42:51
  right? So with an Alcubierre drive, a ship can
• 42:55
  gain any Any amount of forward motion will initiate
• 43:00
  this relative speed boost, right? So let's say
• 43:05
  hypothetically, I can shrink space in front of
• 43:08
  me and stretch it out behind me. I have the energy,
• 43:11
  the power to do that. If I am not moving forward,
• 43:16
  nothing will happen. I will remain where I am
• 43:18
  relative to everything else. But... The moment
• 43:22
  I start walking forward at any speed, I will
• 43:25
  walk forward at the speed that I am walking forward,
• 43:28
  plus the speed at which I am shrinking space
• 43:31
  in front of me. Yes. Beautiful explanation. So
• 43:36
  to add on to that, that was my understanding
• 43:40
  of our best chances of getting to the stars in
• 43:43
  an FTL manner, faster than light matter. Up until
• 43:46
  about a year ago when I started really diving
• 43:48
  into what's being discussed at the Sol conference
• 43:52
  and what some of these whistleblowers are saying.
• 43:55
  And they've actually like, they're getting into
• 43:57
  the nitty gritty of how these UFOs fly. And they're
• 44:01
  explaining an effect that's actually been known
• 44:03
  for about 70 years called the Bifield -Brown
• 44:06
  Effect. I highly recommend anyone look that up,
• 44:12
  but basically you have a capacitor. What a capacitor
• 44:15
  is, is a positive and a negative terminal. separated
• 44:18
  by some space that's an insulator. And as you
• 44:21
  charge it up, you get a lot of positive charge
• 44:23
  on one side, a lot of negative charge on the
• 44:25
  other side, and you have this really strong voltage
• 44:28
  that's being blocked from flowing by the insulator.
• 44:32
  And all you got to do to get this space shrinking
• 44:36
  effect is have an asymmetrical capacitor where
• 44:39
  the negative end is much smaller than the positive
• 44:42
  end. So you have kind of like a positive encapsulation
• 44:46
  of this negative side and charge it up to hundreds
• 44:50
  of thousands, millions of volts. And then you
• 44:53
  will get warping of space time around that. And
• 44:56
  that's the Byfield Brown effect. So you can get
• 44:58
  it with just simple electricity, simple, but
• 45:02
  high amounts. It's possible. How much electricity?
• 45:05
  Like, let's say we get a fusion reactor running.
• 45:11
  Can we make enough? I am not a scientist. I do
• 45:16
  not know. It's hard to put numbers on this thing,
• 45:21
  but I can tell you that. So off the coast of
• 45:24
  California, we have the infamous Tic Tac event
• 45:27
  where for weeks you're seeing, I mean, this happens
• 45:30
  often where craft come from space down to ocean
• 45:33
  level in just under one second. So we're talking
• 45:38
  really fast, slower than light, but still incredibly
• 45:41
  fast and stopping on a dime. Right at sea level.
• 45:46
  So they've calculated, there's a paper put out
• 45:48
  there that calculates the exact amount of energy
• 45:50
  required to make this maneuver. And it's equivalent
• 45:53
  to about a day or two of the total energy output
• 45:56
  of the United States. So it takes a lot to make
• 45:59
  these maneuvers. They have something special
• 46:01
  going on at their core. I've heard swirling mercury,
• 46:06
  I've heard fusion, I've heard element 115. There's
• 46:10
  a couple. a couple of explanations I've heard.
• 46:12
  It's hard to parse which one's true, but it's
• 46:15
  an amount that we do work with. Okay, so the
• 46:18
  TikTok event, TikTok, the TikTok, God, I just
• 46:23
  sound like an old person. See, I told you, Ruby,
• 46:25
  I'm old. I call it TikTok, but it's TikTok. During
• 46:29
  the public hearings, the congressmen were interviewing
• 46:33
  the whistleblowers. So at the TikTok event, I'm
• 46:36
  like... I should run for Congress. More than
• 46:43
  that. I'm going to read what I found in it. Because
• 46:47
  I think that's really, listen, the coolness of
• 46:51
  that name made me really interested. So in November
• 46:54
  2004 off the coast of Southern California, Navy
• 47:00
  pilots saw a white smooth object shaped like
• 47:04
  a tic tac mint. So oblong. an oblong little white
• 47:07
  thing. And it appeared suddenly at 80 ,000 feet,
• 47:11
  then dropped to sea level in less than a second,
• 47:15
  then hovered with no visible propulsion. So it
• 47:17
  just floated there. And then they sent two fighter
• 47:19
  jets to go and investigate it. And then all of
• 47:22
  a sudden, this thing, like a ping pong ball,
• 47:26
  bounced off an invisible wall. So I guess it
• 47:28
  went like, and then just disappeared. In 2020,
• 47:37
  the Pentagon officially released a video of it.
• 47:40
  I saw that. So. 2017. I have not seen it, but
• 47:44
  I'm going to check it out because that sounds
• 47:46
  pretty cool. On the front page of the New York
• 47:48
  Times, 2017. Really? Yep, front page, talking
• 47:53
  about the Black Budget Reverse Engineering Program.
• 47:56
  As early as 2017. See, when it comes to stuff
• 48:00
  like that, like I don't, this. Maybe I mentioned
• 48:05
  this before in the last podcast. I don't know.
• 48:07
  Or the one, you know, last time Ryan was on.
• 48:10
  But I don't think UFOs are not real. I just think
• 48:13
  they're not from space. And I think we're looking
• 48:15
  at the technology of some other, you know, country
• 48:20
  or government trolling some other country or
• 48:24
  government. Not a human government, but they're
• 48:26
  also not from space. So this tic -tac. When,
• 48:30
  when the fighter pilots were flying over it,
• 48:32
  they saw that underneath the water was, it looked
• 48:34
  like a 747 shaped object that it was hovering
• 48:38
  above. There are these underwater objects, they
• 48:41
  call them bases, that produce the UFOs and the
• 48:45
  UFOs launch and return to these things. There's
• 48:47
  about five or six of them, one off the coast
• 48:49
  of the Caribbean, one off the coast near Mexico.
• 48:54
  Yeah, they're really resistant to being tracked.
• 48:58
  They only really resist. release a heat signature
• 49:01
  when they're at the surface releasing a UFO.
• 49:04
  Um, but this is what some of the whistleblowers
• 49:05
  are talking about. Um, one really infamous story
• 49:08
  off the coast of Jamaica, we were testing Tomahawk
• 49:11
  cruise missiles, a dummy warhead. We're just
• 49:13
  seeing the capabilities of these missiles. Um,
• 49:15
  and it was a, there was a frog man, basically
• 49:17
  a guy who hangs from a rope. They helicopter
• 49:19
  him out and collect the missile after it's done
• 49:21
  with his test. Um, they dropped this guy down
• 49:25
  and he's hooking it onto the missile when suddenly
• 49:27
  the water starts getting dark. Big island -sized
• 49:32
  dark circle appears at the center of the warhead
• 49:36
  and the water starts turning like it's boiling.
• 49:39
  And this guy freaks out and starts climbing up
• 49:41
  the rope as fast as he can. And then just the
• 49:44
  missile goes under water and then the whole thing
• 49:46
  disappears. What is it? So the idea is it's the
• 49:50
  Kraken beating the venue. No, are you saying,
• 49:54
  but, okay, but like, I mean, I hear what you're
• 50:00
  saying, but are you also saying, underneath the
• 50:04
  water, there's some unknown civilization sending
• 50:08
  up UFOs? What congressmen are saying, this is
• 50:11
  what whistleblowers are saying, there was a larp
• 50:14
  on 4chan, maybe a larp, maybe a fruit seller,
• 50:17
  there was like 20 June, we posted a really long...
• 50:22
  detail account of what's going on. And that his
• 50:25
  last sentence was, you'll keep coming back to
• 50:27
  this post as whistleblowers say what's happening.
• 50:29
  Cause this will become truer and truer. And it's
• 50:32
  true over the last three years. I keep going
• 50:33
  back to that post. I'm like, Oh yeah, that got
• 50:35
  released. That got released. So at the very least,
• 50:38
  this guy knew what the whistleblowers were going
• 50:40
  to say. The whistleblowers are lying. He's in
• 50:42
  on the lie. If the whistleblowers are telling
• 50:44
  on the truth, he is in on the truth. But what
• 50:46
  he said on 4chan. has this rung truer and truer
• 50:50
  every time something new leaks. And he says there
• 50:54
  are these platforms that exist under the ocean
• 50:57
  and they're the source of these UFOs we see.
• 51:00
  It was a movie about this, wasn't there? I mean,
• 51:11
  these platforms could exist, but who do they
• 51:12
  belong to is the bigger question. How how can
• 51:19
  the world not know how can you know, I don't
• 51:22
  know Let's say the u .s. How can how can you
• 51:25
  not find out? What's under the water already?
• 51:29
  Is there another country who's more technologically
• 51:33
  advanced? You hear so many people say oh the
• 51:36
  ocean's not been mapped. We've only mapped 30
• 51:38
  % of the ocean Yeah, fair enough. Don't think
• 51:42
  satellites bi -tech that we're not even allowed
• 51:45
  to know about circling the earth and we haven't
• 51:47
  mapped That just sounds like such huge conspiracy
• 51:51
  though. We have submarines with patrolling every
• 51:55
  corner of the ocean constantly in case we want
• 51:57
  to nuke somebody. We haven't mapped the ocean.
• 52:02
  We haven't mapped the ocean, okay, fair enough.
• 52:05
  But if one country, one government has some secret
• 52:11
  base in the ocean, how could they? not be so
• 52:16
  technologically advanced or more technologically
• 52:18
  advanced than other nations. How could you not
• 52:22
  see or suspect that if there's some kind of secret
• 52:27
  base or whatever under the ocean, oh, it must
• 52:30
  belong to this country because they're the most
• 52:32
  advanced. I just don't see that kind of, I can't
• 52:35
  see with all of the countries in the world fighting
• 52:39
  for whatever resources. not being able to, you
• 52:46
  know, sniff out that there's some kind of secret
• 52:50
  base under the ocean. It's been here. It's been
• 52:53
  here. It's like Illuminati -level stuff. 1897
• 52:57
  Aurora, Texas incident. We already had a UFO
• 53:00
  crash into a church and the newspapers reported
• 53:02
  some stellar astronaut that they recovered. This
• 53:05
  is 1897. Did I say 19? 1897. He said, yeah. Wait,
• 53:11
  what is it called? Tell me again. What's it called?
• 53:13
  I'm gonna look it up. Aurora Texas UFO. Whatever,
• 53:21
  we'll find it. Very well known. Let's check out
• 53:24
  the newspaper, something on Wikipedia. April
• 53:27
  17th, 1897, you're right. 50 years before the
• 53:30
  Roswell incident. Okay. Cigar -shaped airship.
• 53:35
  The country would have that technology back in
• 53:37
  the 1800s. Yeah, I mean there's actually a series
• 53:42
  of papers coming out there one just came out
• 53:44
  last week that was looking at astronomy plate
• 53:47
  from the early 1900s to like 1940 before Sputnik
• 53:51
  basically and they found that Earth had satellites
• 53:55
  before Sputnik And so it's been they're working
• 53:59
  really hard to classify What are these things
• 54:02
  they found? Yes, they exhibit a shadow first
• 54:05
  shadow goes over them. So they're definitely
• 54:07
  not stars They're definitely objects going around
• 54:10
  Earth, and then they're looking at correlations.
• 54:13
  When do these objects appear and disappear? They're
• 54:16
  heavily correlated when there's nuclear tests,
• 54:19
  heavily correlated with some of the events like
• 54:21
  the Washington, T .C. UFO event. These things
• 54:23
  appear and disappear, but they're definitely
• 54:26
  orbiting Earth. The Earth had satellites before
• 54:29
  space. That is confusing. What are we? Yeah.
• 54:35
  Fair. I go the other way. I think when these
• 54:38
  things happen in history, you know, we have to
• 54:40
  question where they're happening and who they're
• 54:46
  happening to. And, you know, obviously, well,
• 54:49
  we could say when they're happening. But like,
• 54:51
  is it possible that whatever this town was, what,
• 54:55
  back in the day, how well known was this town?
• 54:59
  How big was it? And, you know, were there motivations
• 55:03
  of this town to draw attention to it. We cut
• 55:08
  for whatever reason. Maybe it was failing and
• 55:11
  they wanted attention for whatever reason. So
• 55:13
  they created this big story so everyone would
• 55:15
  come and see. Maybe it was a dying town. It's
• 55:17
  possible because they were slated to have a train
• 55:20
  stop there, one of the intercontinental railroad
• 55:24
  train stops and then that got cancelled. So they
• 55:28
  were really expecting a boom when they got a
• 55:30
  bus around that. So that has been one explanation
• 55:34
  of why they would do that. But then again, where
• 55:36
  did they get the story? Why was the idea of flying
• 55:39
  saucers or dirgeables existing back then? How
• 55:44
  famous were, like, how popular were UFOs in,
• 55:47
  like, the American zeitgeist, I guess, at the
• 55:51
  time? Was it a big part of popular culture? UFO
• 55:55
  sightings. That was right around the airship
• 55:57
  wave time. Apparently there were dirgeables flying
• 55:59
  everywhere around the United States for about
• 56:02
  10 years leading up to that event. Okay. Well,
• 56:05
  there you go. That's something. Talk to my grandma
• 56:07
  about it. She said back in the 30s, she saw some
• 56:11
  saucers flying around New York. Have we talked
• 56:14
  about our experiences with flying saucers? Did
• 56:19
  we talk about that in the last one? Have you
• 56:21
  had experience? Nope. Yeah, I actually do. I
• 56:25
  still don't believe it in like, I can say I remember
• 56:29
  an experience of when I was young. I know. Me
• 56:34
  of all people. But I do remember one and I don't
• 56:38
  you know I don't know if this is it now that
• 56:40
  I the more I think about it the more I think
• 56:43
  was I dreaming because I haven't I haven't Spoken
• 56:46
  about it for so long or remembered it, but I
• 56:48
  can say when I was young Like really young maybe
• 56:53
  Between 10 and 12 years old in my neighborhood
• 56:59
  my friend and I we went outside one day and This
• 57:05
  is the mid -afternoon in the summertime. We went
• 57:08
  outside and we had left his house and we just
• 57:10
  looked up in the sky and we saw, imagine three
• 57:15
  triangles joined together. No, it would be four
• 57:20
  triangles. So there's the head and the body and
• 57:22
  then the two triangles to the side. The way it
• 57:25
  moved was it was in the sky and it was gray and
• 57:27
  it was like bending and swerving. And it looked
• 57:30
  mechanical to us, and we were fascinated by it.
• 57:33
  We were like, whoa, what's that in the sky? Look
• 57:34
  at it, wow, amazing. Now, we saw that, and then
• 57:38
  we went in to go tell his mother, and then we
• 57:41
  went back outside and it was gone. Now, that's
• 57:43
  what I remember from my childhood. Now, I don't
• 57:45
  remember, but what I don't remember is, was it
• 57:47
  a dream? I don't remember it being a dream, but
• 57:50
  I do remember the experience. So that was the
• 57:52
  one experience I had in my life with a UFO. I
• 57:57
  don't think it was a dream. But for some reason,
• 58:01
  the older I get and the more I remember it, I
• 58:03
  think it seems really absurd. So it must have
• 58:07
  been a dream when I was a kid, but it's so vivid.
• 58:11
  The only way I would remember, the only way I
• 58:12
  could verify it is if I spoke to that friend,
• 58:15
  but I have no idea where he is in the world.
• 58:19
  You got men in black flashed. That's what happened.
• 58:25
  Yeah, maybe. But I do remember that. I still,
• 58:30
  I'm like, you know, that's my childhood neighborhood.
• 58:34
  I still, when I go back home, you know, that's
• 58:35
  where my mom lives. So I know the exact house.
• 58:38
  I could stand in the exact same spot and look
• 58:42
  in the exact same direction. That's how well
• 58:44
  I remember it. So that's why I don't suspect
• 58:46
  it was a dream. And then I suspect it was a real
• 58:50
  experience. But still, I don't know. What was
• 58:53
  it? Hard to say. A very strange shaped thing.
• 58:56
  Yeah, it was hard to say. It really, it's a very
• 59:00
  blurry line between UFOs and crystals. Like if
• 59:03
  you look at Kinwalker Ranch, facing UFOs all
• 59:06
  the time, but they also see people walking around.
• 59:10
  So it comes in a very broad spectrum of observables.
• 59:18
  And only now have we begun to actually classify
• 59:21
  them. There's a group. private company called
• 59:24
  sky watchers that, um, has been trying to group
• 59:27
  them based on category, like the five, the four,
• 59:31
  five observables, no sound, instantaneous acceleration,
• 59:36
  bright lights, forget the other ones. Oh, ability
• 59:40
  to cloak, I think was one. But yeah, there's
• 59:44
  like nine, 10 categories, um, based on shapes.
• 59:47
  So you got the triangular shaped ones. Triangles
• 59:49
  seem to be really common. I always liken it to
• 59:51
  a. Three points of contact is the most stable.
• 59:54
  You can't balance on two or one. But once you
• 59:57
  have three points, you're able to balance. Seems
• 1:00:00
  to be the simplest, ideal way of moving. I hope
• 1:00:06
  it was real, Luigi, because you'll finally be
• 1:00:08
  able to... I am a believer. I believe in UFOs.
• 1:00:14
  I just don't think aliens from other countries
• 1:00:17
  have come to visit us. Not other countries, Luigi,
• 1:00:22
  other planets. Oh, did I say other countries?
• 1:00:25
  Yeah. Are you an alien? Well, yeah, other planets.
• 1:00:28
  You think planets are... This is why you're just
• 1:00:33
  trying to perpetuate the... Watch a little Star
• 1:00:36
  Trek, where the future is very civilized. Who
• 1:00:39
  watches more Star Trek? You do, Ruby. You nerd.
• 1:00:45
  Ruby, do you have any UFO experiences? None.
• 1:00:50
  But that's because I already believe. I don't
• 1:00:52
  need to be convinced, I'm sure. So you're saying
• 1:00:56
  because you believe, you don't need to be convinced.
• 1:00:59
  It's not about that. It's just about experiencing
• 1:01:01
  something. I'm not trying to convince myself.
• 1:01:02
  Yeah, that's not how belief works right now,
• 1:01:03
  of course. Now, I wish I have seen UFOs, but
• 1:01:07
  I have not seen a UFO. I think I'm always looking
• 1:01:10
  at my phone. That's the problem. They're all
• 1:01:13
  around me. Yeah, UFO sightings are fewer and
• 1:01:18
  fewer nowadays. Yeah, why? I don't believe we
• 1:01:23
  finally saw something unidentified last year.
• 1:01:28
  Right in the middle of the New Jersey drones.
• 1:01:30
  Did you guys hear about the New Jersey drone
• 1:01:31
  incident? No? No. Explain. November last year
• 1:01:38
  till about January last year was when the Everyone
• 1:01:41
  was going crazy. But basically there are these
• 1:01:43
  objects coming out of the ocean, flying over
• 1:01:46
  homes in New Jersey, United States, and flying
• 1:01:49
  back into the ocean. But sometimes they'd go
• 1:01:51
  land on airports. They'd fly over military bases
• 1:01:55
  and everyone's complaining like, why aren't we
• 1:01:57
  doing anything? What are these things? FAA said
• 1:02:00
  we have no idea what they are. The government
• 1:02:02
  at the time said they're probably some foreign
• 1:02:05
  actor, but we can't confirm that. And we just...
• 1:02:08
  allowed them to land at airports, shut down the
• 1:02:11
  airports and they just could go over our military
• 1:02:14
  bases. We wouldn't attack them. So like we wanted
• 1:02:18
  an explanation. Trump said, Oh, for sure. When
• 1:02:20
  I get in in January, February, I'll tell you
• 1:02:22
  what it is. And then he came in and said, Oh,
• 1:02:25
  they're all just drones. Don't worry about it.
• 1:02:27
  Um, and meanwhile, ever since then the drones
• 1:02:30
  have never stopped. They're still flying over
• 1:02:32
  New Jersey. And I was up just north of New Jersey
• 1:02:35
  at the time. And I saw. Um, from the, I mean,
• 1:02:39
  I'm kind of looking up at the sky at night, but
• 1:02:41
  I see an orange streak go from the top of my
• 1:02:43
  vision all the way down to ground level, um,
• 1:02:46
  over about a second. I don't know what it was,
• 1:02:49
  but it wasn't fiery. It was just a nice orange
• 1:02:53
  homogenous line. It was very linear, very fast,
• 1:02:59
  hard to, hard to give a prosaic explanation to
• 1:03:01
  it. But like, meanwhile, these drones. Maybe
• 1:03:05
  you've heard about the drones over in Europe
• 1:03:08
  right now? You hear about those guys? So over
• 1:03:12
  the last two weeks, there have been drones flying
• 1:03:15
  out of the ocean again onto airports in Denmark,
• 1:03:21
  France, Germany, Netherlands, Amsterdam. I'm
• 1:03:28
  missing another country. There's Latvia, Latvia.
• 1:03:32
  Again, we're having these drones fly out of the
• 1:03:36
  ocean, land on airports, shutting down the airports.
• 1:03:39
  Lights get delayed. People take pictures. I saw
• 1:03:43
  one picture from the UK. It looks like just an
• 1:03:44
  orb hovering about a few feet off the runway,
• 1:03:47
  just sitting there. Just menacingly. But the
• 1:03:52
  Danish authorities originally said they're drones
• 1:03:54
  and then retracted that statement. And so you
• 1:03:57
  can watch an interview live. They said they're
• 1:03:59
  just observers. That's what they are. They originally
• 1:04:03
  blamed Russia, but Russia's Putin got on is like,
• 1:04:05
  okay, I'll stop sending the UFOs Yeah, it's not
• 1:04:09
  Russia We're getting saying their drones like
• 1:04:13
  that. Don't worry. There's some hobbyists flying
• 1:04:15
  over airport. We're not gonna attack them We'll
• 1:04:17
  let them fly back into the ocean It's happening
• 1:04:23
  all around the world and people don't get to
• 1:04:26
  hear about they're here. They're interacting
• 1:04:28
  with us We just don't get to hear about it. We
• 1:04:31
  pay attention to the news and then you can tell
• 1:04:32
  us what to think. Here's what I think. Now, I
• 1:04:38
  take a more pragmatic approach. Governments are
• 1:04:41
  saying, oh, they're just drones. But I think
• 1:04:44
  the government's doing that because they want
• 1:04:48
  to avoid panic. So there's a good possibility,
• 1:04:53
  not that they're visitors from another planet,
• 1:04:55
  but that they are. you know, technology sent
• 1:04:59
  to do whatever, spy on other countries, you know,
• 1:05:05
  practice some kind of military whatever. And
• 1:05:10
  governments know this, but they know if they
• 1:05:12
  tell people, it'll cause a whole bunch of other
• 1:05:15
  problems. So, I mean, you know, when you're in
• 1:05:19
  the government, what do you want to do? Do you
• 1:05:21
  want your citizenry to panic, or do you want
• 1:05:23
  to make up a lie? to keep them calm. Because
• 1:05:28
  if you can... Well, it sounds like a more reasonable
• 1:05:33
  conspiracy. Even like the drones in... Was it
• 1:05:37
  New Jersey? Was that it? Was that what you said,
• 1:05:41
  New Jersey? Trying to check my notes. Anyway,
• 1:05:44
  the point is, it's the same sentiment. Like,
• 1:05:49
  there's this technology that is from an enemy.
• 1:05:54
  They don't want the country to know. Because
• 1:05:59
  then what happens? It'll just cause panic. Uh
• 1:06:04
  -oh, what happened? Am I cut off? Are you guys
• 1:06:06
  hearing me? No, no, no. I'm trying to think about
• 1:06:08
  how to respond. Where is Ryan? It's more believable.
• 1:06:12
  He's stuck. He's been abducted! He's gone! Oh,
• 1:06:17
  no! I figure he's... They took him away. They
• 1:06:23
  said, they said, Ryan, you know the secret. I
• 1:06:27
  hope we didn't lose his. Oh, there we go. You're
• 1:06:30
  back. Ah, they couldn't stand him. I just got
• 1:06:32
  completely removed and it said upload complete.
• 1:06:36
  It's the government. It said upload complete,
• 1:06:39
  did it? Yeah. Okay, good. I didn't push any buttons.
• 1:06:46
  It just said, all right, he's broken enough.
• 1:06:48
  We don't want to let them know. You've been on
• 1:06:55
  99 competition rates all the way, so that's good.
• 1:07:00
  That's why we have a government, to ensure social
• 1:07:03
  stability, so that would be their job. It still
• 1:07:06
  doesn't explain why we don't attack them for
• 1:07:08
  flying over our military bases. If it's Russia,
• 1:07:11
  then we should be defending ourselves. If it's
• 1:07:13
  ours, why the hell are we shutting down our own
• 1:07:16
  airports? We're just causing panic. Because it's
• 1:07:19
  kind of like, I mean, governments are good at
• 1:07:22
  playing dumb to other governments. They don't
• 1:07:25
  want them to let on, so, you know, they'll play
• 1:07:28
  stupid. They have to be more cunning. I find
• 1:07:31
  that's usually how people, or rather, espionage
• 1:07:36
  works. So, yes, it's happening to most of Europe
• 1:07:38
  and the United States, so you could point the
• 1:07:40
  finger at Russia, but that doesn't explain why
• 1:07:42
  we're not attacking them. Well, I think... Okay,
• 1:07:46
  so... There could be governments, but I think
• 1:07:49
  maybe in that instance, it could also be just
• 1:07:51
  like a bunch of people with drones. They're coming
• 1:07:54
  out of the ocean. You can see them coming out
• 1:07:56
  of the ocean. How do we know they're coming out
• 1:07:59
  of the ocean? Nobody sees them come out of the
• 1:08:01
  ocean. They might like look. So we have a lot
• 1:08:04
  of, a lot of your photos have been seen along
• 1:08:06
  the east coast too. Okay. They literally see
• 1:08:10
  them come out of the water. They come out of
• 1:08:12
  the water, go fly over airports. They like airports
• 1:08:14
  or something. And then go back into the water.
• 1:08:18
  Then in that place in that case, I do believe
• 1:08:20
  it is like other governments testing their military
• 1:08:23
  technology Don't you think it's it's a better
• 1:08:31
  don't you think it's a better idea for governments
• 1:08:33
  to say yeah Let's make them believe that we're
• 1:08:36
  dumb enough to think they're UFOs and then they're
• 1:08:39
  good and then our enemies are gonna think they've
• 1:08:41
  got You know the advantage That's another angle
• 1:08:45
  that aliens did visit us in the past, but now
• 1:08:48
  they're just being used by government to explain
• 1:08:50
  their tech. Aliens don't really want anything
• 1:08:53
  to do with the same work. Here's what I think.
• 1:08:56
  Again, yes, life does exist outside in space,
• 1:09:01
  but in the past, UFOs or whatever had to do with
• 1:09:07
  places wanting to grab attention for whatever
• 1:09:09
  reason, and then it became... people wanting
• 1:09:14
  to grab attention for whatever reason, because
• 1:09:17
  they're bored maybe, and then the possibility
• 1:09:19
  of governments wanting to have a, you know, one
• 1:09:25
  -up on other governments testing military technology.
• 1:09:29
  That's what I think. But. There's probably a
• 1:09:33
  lot of all of those, right? It would be advantageous
• 1:09:37
  for a government to utilize the fact that aliens
• 1:09:40
  exist. or their own cover. So yeah, the answer
• 1:09:44
  is probably all of you. So how about 3i Atlas?
• 1:09:50
  Have you ever heard of 3i Atlas? No. 3i Atlas,
• 1:09:54
  comet flying through our solar system right now,
• 1:09:58
  interstellar. Is there an interstellar comet
• 1:10:00
  flying through our solar system right now? I'm
• 1:10:03
  not sure. Third interstellar object that we've
• 1:10:06
  ever detected, supposedly. It's interesting.
• 1:10:12
  I say comet, but like as a scientist, we deal
• 1:10:16
  with uncertainty. We lay all the hypotheses on
• 1:10:18
  the table and we assign percentages to each of
• 1:10:22
  them. So we see an object flying in space. 99
• 1:10:26
  .999 % chance it's a comet or an asteroid because
• 1:10:29
  that's what the rest of the objects we observe
• 1:10:32
  are. But then as we collect more data, we refine
• 1:10:36
  our percentages and this comet really weird.
• 1:10:40
  It's displaying none of the properties that comets
• 1:10:42
  normally display. For example, it's interstellar.
• 1:10:45
  So we've only seen three objects ever enter our
• 1:10:48
  solar system from outside of our solar system.
• 1:10:52
  It's entering at a really interesting angle because
• 1:10:55
  you got your solar system. I'm going to draw
• 1:10:57
  it this way. We're all orbiting the sun at the
• 1:10:59
  center. But we travel this way through this way,
• 1:11:05
  through the Milky Way. So the object actually
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  entered from the center to our planetary orbit.
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  So it's like it's got shot straight from the
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  center of the Milky Way to our solar system instead
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  of being in the path of us flying. Wow, that's
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  very interesting. Somehow, not only did it have
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  this really interesting path, But it also has
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  the perfect path to pass, pass by three of our
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  planets. So it passed by Mars already. It's going
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  to pass by Jupiter. It's also going to pass.
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  Oh no, shoot. Keep talking. It's okay. And it's
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  going to pass by, you know, so it seems to be
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  on a cruise, a tour of the solar system. Really
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  low, really low probability that an object from
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  outside of our solar system happens to be in
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  a path. that's within our orbital plane, basically,
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  so that it can actually check out our planets
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  by flyby. So that's another interesting thing.
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  You've probably seen comets with tails as the
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  sun, as something flies past the sun, you'll
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  have a tail pointed away from the sun at all
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  times, because the solar waves are blasting stuff
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  off of the comet. for some reason Comet and keep
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  calling it Comet because it's still probably
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  a comet. Had a tail pointed at the Sun. So it's
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  as though a flag is billowing into the wind instead
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  of with the wind. There's no wind in space. There's
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  solar wind. The Sun is constantly shutting stuff
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  off. So that's blasting stuff off the comet and
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  making a tail. But this thing has an even bigger
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  anti -tail. It starts just flying off of it towards
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  the sun. How is it injecting stuff like that
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  against the wind? I don't know, but it just recently
• 1:13:10
  stopped doing that. It's right now just flying
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  behind the sun out of our view. And of course
• 1:13:16
  that's right when the government shutdown is
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  happening. So we're not getting any data from
• 1:13:21
  NASA or ESA. Really graining pictures. Apparently
• 1:13:25
  Congress Got an emergency update about this when
• 1:13:28
  it was first discovered. I don't know why they
• 1:13:30
  had to have a meeting about a comment with the
• 1:13:34
  Congress. Um, but there's other properties that
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  make this comment. Interesting for one is green.
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  It's glowing bright green. Uh, normally when
• 1:13:45
  we look out and say, um, if you've seen some
• 1:13:47
  metals, they're always mixed, right? You don't,
• 1:13:49
  you don't see like one metal and not others.
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  Um, in particular iron and nickel are always.
• 1:13:55
  Together because they're the two most stable
• 1:13:58
  atoms on the periodic table. Yeah, you're any
• 1:14:00
  nickel. Yep. Yeah The furthest from radioactive
• 1:14:05
  decay they are stable gonna last there until
• 1:14:08
  the end of time basically And when when iron
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  is made nickels also made like they're made in
• 1:14:14
  about equal proportion So when you see iron you
• 1:14:16
  see nickel you look at a star and it's got iron
• 1:14:18
  in it It also has nickel you look at a comment
• 1:14:21
  has iron. It also has nickel This comet has just
• 1:14:25
  nickel. Refined nickel, with very little iron.
• 1:14:30
  Here's a question. You were saying the ejection,
• 1:14:34
  it was doing an ejection plume? And it's got
• 1:14:38
  tail. So the tail was the wrong way around, like
• 1:14:42
  it was slowing down? It's got a normal comet
• 1:14:44
  tail and it's got one that's pointed towards
• 1:14:46
  the sun, which just disappeared a couple days
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  ago. Because if the plume is against the wind,
• 1:14:55
  the only thing that it can mean is that the comet
• 1:14:58
  is... Well, the most logical thing that it can
• 1:15:02
  mean is that the comet is slowing down, that
• 1:15:04
  it's an ejection plume for a reverse thrust.
• 1:15:09
  Yeah, that's what I'm thinking. It's very possible.
• 1:15:13
  It is possible. Again, if it's a comet, we don't
• 1:15:16
  have any explanation for this. All I hear is
• 1:15:19
  going around on the internet is, oh, well, it's
• 1:15:21
  an interstellar comet. So we really don't know
• 1:15:23
  how other rocks behave. We only know how our
• 1:15:25
  rocks behave. I mean, it's pretty cool if it's
• 1:15:31
  an interstellar comet. Interstellar things sound
• 1:15:33
  pretty cool. We have another object in our solar
• 1:15:40
  system, don't we? The like black floating...
• 1:15:45
  Well, there's one, again, we had a Harvard professor
• 1:15:49
  who's going against the grain, Avi Lo, and releasing
• 1:15:52
  a lot of information about it. He's studying
• 1:15:55
  intently, and like a true scientist, keeping
• 1:15:58
  all the hypotheses on the table, he's saying
• 1:16:00
  it's pretty likely to be a comet, but there's
• 1:16:03
  a non -zero chance of some mailing in the press.
• 1:16:05
  Now let's look at all the hypotheses and see
• 1:16:08
  what the data shows, which ones get supported
• 1:16:10
  more or less. And he's getting character assassinated
• 1:16:14
  left and right. We want him fired. It's the same
• 1:16:17
  thing that happened to John Mapp. If you are
• 1:16:20
  a scientist and even consider that Ewing might
• 1:16:23
  exist, you need to be fired, removed, and disregarded.
• 1:16:27
  I see people online saying, don't read his book,
• 1:16:30
  don't say anything, don't consider data. That
• 1:16:34
  is wrong thinking. You are wrong thinking if
• 1:16:37
  you think they're good. Well, I can understand
• 1:16:41
  that because I see where they're coming from.
• 1:16:44
  Because if there's no like, what's the word?
• 1:16:50
  If there's no real like, I don't know, faculty
• 1:16:54
  of study for these things, you have this person
• 1:16:58
  who is going out on their own and doing this
• 1:17:01
  research and then publishing without other peers
• 1:17:05
  to scrutinize it, then you do risk a lot of misinformation.
• 1:17:11
  and even disinformation. So I can understand
• 1:17:13
  why they'd be like, no, don't believe them, get
• 1:17:15
  out of here. We're not ready to make that a field.
• 1:17:19
  Like that is his job. He looks at objects in
• 1:17:22
  our solar system and classifies them. He's a
• 1:17:24
  comet and asteroid researcher. So his papers
• 1:17:27
  lay down, what is it? What are the characteristics?
• 1:17:30
  And he says it's most likely a comet. But he
• 1:17:33
  also says like, this is very interesting displays.
• 1:17:36
  And if it were a craft, this is how the data
• 1:17:39
  would fit that hypothesis. And so it's what we
• 1:17:43
  should be doing. It's, it's now that we have
• 1:17:46
  these whistleblowers coming out, we should be
• 1:17:47
  stepping back, looking at things holistically,
• 1:17:50
  like, okay, if these whistleblowers are what
• 1:17:52
  they're saying is true and aliens are real, how
• 1:17:55
  does that support this hypothesis too? Like holistically,
• 1:17:59
  how does all of this data come together? It's
• 1:18:00
  not just, oh, we have a, we have this object
• 1:18:02
  in space. Let's just look at it in isolation.
• 1:18:07
  No, there's, there's a lot of. lines of evidence
• 1:18:09
  all pointing to this hypothesis that we are not
• 1:18:12
  alone. And so now just five days ago, NASA quietly
• 1:18:20
  pushed the international asteroid protection.
• 1:18:25
  I forgot the acronym, but basically it's a worldwide
• 1:18:30
  group of astronomers that if there's ever an
• 1:18:34
  object that has a chance of hitting Earth. They
• 1:18:36
  are somebody can sound the alarm and I'll tell
• 1:18:39
  it goes pointed at it Now mind you this object
• 1:18:43
  3i Atlas is not going to come anywhere near earth.
• 1:18:46
  It's going to fly right now Behind the Sun, so
• 1:18:50
  we're just losing sight of it It's going to come
• 1:18:52
  back out the other side of the Sun mid November
• 1:18:55
  and we'll we'll get our closest point right on
• 1:18:59
  December the winter solstice But for some reason
• 1:19:04
  NASA pushed this alarm say, hey, there's a chance
• 1:19:07
  this thing might hit Earth, which is... Yeah,
• 1:19:10
  it's got a lot of people confused. Why would
• 1:19:12
  they put this call out a couple of days ago?
• 1:19:15
  I feel like there's always a comment about to
• 1:19:17
  hit Earth. But it shouldn't. Unless it was doing
• 1:19:21
  some kind of course correction, it shouldn't
• 1:19:23
  come anywhere near Earth. But people are saying
• 1:19:25
  there's a course correction happening. Now that
• 1:19:28
  it's getting close to the sun, it's doing a slingshot
• 1:19:30
  maneuver. This is when you could change course
• 1:19:34
  for the least amount of energy. And then it's
• 1:19:36
  going to wrap around and swing towards us is
• 1:19:38
  what people are saying. Now, of course, that
• 1:19:40
  could just be misinformation. Don't know. Um,
• 1:19:43
  this is hot off the presses, but this is what
• 1:19:45
  people are talking about the last few days. Well,
• 1:19:48
  I didn't ask to push the button and Avi Loeb
• 1:19:51
  is looking into whether it's a... Fair enough.
• 1:19:56
  I mean... Keep your eyes out. But also recognize
• 1:20:00
  there's a lot of fake news around it. There's
• 1:20:02
  a lot of fake news around it. So many AIs. Video
• 1:20:06
  thing like that is the god flying for the very
• 1:20:08
  interesting I think I think we we've I think
• 1:20:14
  we should move on because I'm interested in panpsychism
• 1:20:18
  Is that what it is? Yeah. All right Let's do
• 1:20:23
  it So philosophically, it really comes down to
• 1:20:28
  where you believe the observer is as a conscious
• 1:20:32
  person who experiences qualia, right? You see
• 1:20:35
  the redness of red, you smell the redness of
• 1:20:39
  bread. There's like the senses that you experience,
• 1:20:43
  but then there's also the what it is like to
• 1:20:46
  experience them. And so there's, there's camps,
• 1:20:49
  there's three main camps. There's a physical,
• 1:20:52
  which says it's all just. how atoms react, right?
• 1:20:55
  Everything can be explained with the physical
• 1:20:58
  faculty and physics that we know. Um, then there's
• 1:21:02
  the dualists who say, yes, there's all these
• 1:21:05
  physical atoms doing things, but then there's
• 1:21:07
  also this observer that's non -physical and you
• 1:21:11
  have to somehow explain how the non -physical
• 1:21:14
  can interact with physical. Um, and then there's
• 1:21:17
  the idealists, which say that - That's the concept
• 1:21:19
  of the soul, right? The dualist would be the
• 1:21:23
  soul. There's a couple, couple camps within that,
• 1:21:26
  whether the soul just observes or where the soul
• 1:21:28
  can actually interact. But if you're interacting,
• 1:21:30
  doesn't that make you physical? Like there's,
• 1:21:31
  there's problems with dualism, um, as a framework.
• 1:21:35
  Uh, but there's also problems with physicalism
• 1:21:37
  as a framework. Like how do we see redness? Do
• 1:21:40
  we all see the same redness and stuff like that?
• 1:21:43
  And then lastly, there's idealism, which is a
• 1:21:45
  smaller camp, but still compelling, which is
• 1:21:48
  there, there is no physical world. It's all in
• 1:21:50
  our mind. We're all just like one. Right. Yeah.
• 1:21:59
  Panpsychism says that, um, you know, wherever
• 1:22:02
  camp you are in this, this thing that observes
• 1:22:06
  this, the mechanisms that allow for observation
• 1:22:09
  and experience stem from the most basal interaction.
• 1:22:15
  Like even, even atoms are, are consciously aware
• 1:22:19
  in some minuscule. very simplest faculty ability.
• 1:22:27
  So basically I'm somewhere a little bit above
• 1:22:30
  atoms, like sure you could believe atoms are
• 1:22:32
  real, but at least like cells, like a bacteria
• 1:22:37
  or a human cell, at least those experience some
• 1:22:42
  form of intelligence. And so they must somehow
• 1:22:44
  be able to process what they sense and create.
• 1:22:48
  There's another explanation. Another explanation.
• 1:22:51
  Yeah. Oh, what if the observer is a player and
• 1:22:58
  this is a simulation? I could see that too. Um,
• 1:23:03
  the simulation theory is quite compelling. You
• 1:23:05
  can look at it from statistically, or you can
• 1:23:08
  look at it from what the physics is telling us.
• 1:23:11
  It does seem like reality follows an optimization
• 1:23:15
  protocol called the principle of stationary action.
• 1:23:19
  The universe is always finding the most efficient
• 1:23:22
  path forward, seems like it's trying to conserve
• 1:23:25
  energy. Yeah. Just in terms of like, for the
• 1:23:31
  listeners and viewers, the observer would be
• 1:23:36
  in this discussion, the consciousness, right?
• 1:23:38
  The fact that we are, that we have a sense of
• 1:23:43
  being, that is the observer. We know what it
• 1:23:46
  is like to be us. And then we engage in solipsism
• 1:23:50
  where yeah, I know I am an observer. I think
• 1:23:53
  therefore I am and you guys look like me. So
• 1:23:56
  I think, I believe you guys are also conscious
• 1:23:59
  as well. That's just faith for sure. Well, well
• 1:24:04
  justified faith. You guys seem to react the way
• 1:24:06
  I react. So it seems like we have the same things
• 1:24:09
  going on internally. But still that is a belief.
• 1:24:13
  It could be that I'm the only conscious being
• 1:24:15
  in the universe. It could be that we're all.
• 1:24:17
  one consciousness seen through multiple eyes.
• 1:24:22
  There's different ways to cut that down. One
• 1:24:26
  very interesting aspect of it is that we aren't
• 1:24:29
  just one being, right? Like, foot brain patients,
• 1:24:33
  they used to, oh, they still do actually. If
• 1:24:35
  you have really, really intense seizures, one
• 1:24:38
  treatment for it is to cut your brain right down
• 1:24:40
  the middle. There really is only one little area
• 1:24:43
  right in the center where wires from each side
• 1:24:46
  meet. Um, called the corcus callosum. They'll
• 1:24:48
  just cut that, separate the two hemispheres.
• 1:24:51
  Um, and you'll be more or less fine, but now
• 1:24:54
  you're two beams in one body. So your left side
• 1:24:58
  controls all of your right muscles. Your right
• 1:25:00
  side controls your left muscles. Um, you, you
• 1:25:02
  process and form sentences in your left side.
• 1:25:06
  So you can do some pretty interesting experiments
• 1:25:07
  like cover the left eye, show an object to the
• 1:25:10
  right eye and have them try and describe it.
• 1:25:13
  Um, and you can't because there's no cross hemisphere
• 1:25:16
  communication. So the left side will just make
• 1:25:18
  it up. Right. Yeah. I've heard of that. You also
• 1:25:23
  see things like the left hand will like grab
• 1:25:25
  an ice cream cone, but the right hand says, Oh,
• 1:25:27
  I don't want to use the ice cream. You know,
• 1:25:29
  like slap the left hand. Like there's two beings
• 1:25:32
  and they don't always agree now that they're
• 1:25:35
  not synchronized with each other. Um, but you
• 1:25:38
  see this in even more like if I were to donate.
• 1:25:42
  my heart to somebody, they have a 70 % chance
• 1:25:46
  of gaining my temperament as well. So like my
• 1:25:49
  overall emotional states and response patterns
• 1:25:52
  get donated with my heart. That seems to be a
• 1:25:56
  local thing to the organ. We are dealing a gentle
• 1:26:03
  form, right? We are one agent because we're harmonized,
• 1:26:06
  but we are made of a bunch of sub -agents. Each
• 1:26:09
  of our cells is its own being. If you were to
• 1:26:13
  take trachea cells from the human throat, they
• 1:26:17
  have little cilia, like little hair -like projections
• 1:26:19
  and together they all beat in unison to like,
• 1:26:22
  help you swallow or help clear stuff from your
• 1:26:25
  lungs. Um, but if you take one out, one cell
• 1:26:28
  and put it in a Petri dish, it'll start crawling
• 1:26:31
  around with the cilia. Like it's its own little
• 1:26:33
  being hunting, um, trying to reproduce, uh, living
• 1:26:37
  out its own life. And it was recently shown that.
• 1:26:40
  When, when a mammal dies and some other species,
• 1:26:44
  when, when they die, these cells just crawl out
• 1:26:47
  and go and live and do their own thing independently.
• 1:26:50
  Like we don't fully die. Most of us dies when,
• 1:26:54
  when we're dead. But some of our cells, cells
• 1:26:56
  that are able to crawl around and hunt, um, just
• 1:27:00
  say, oh, okay, I guess that ship sailed. I'm
• 1:27:02
  going to go do my own thing. And they just go
• 1:27:04
  off into the environment to live. We, we, we
• 1:27:08
  take for granted that. We're one unified being,
• 1:27:12
  but we're not always harmonized. That's wild
• 1:27:15
  to me. They're called anthrobots. There's the
• 1:27:19
  word for an anthrobot and there's also the xenobot,
• 1:27:22
  which we're taking from frogs, I believe. Um,
• 1:27:26
  but we're showing that, yeah, these cells, that
• 1:27:30
  the coordination that we have that unifies us
• 1:27:33
  into one agent isn't the end all be all of being.
• 1:27:37
  We are. uh, more of a democracy, right? You might,
• 1:27:41
  you might be an alcoholic and you... You really
• 1:27:44
  want alcohol. It's part of you saying, like,
• 1:27:46
  that gut feeling saying, no, I shouldn't drink.
• 1:27:48
  And so now you have some cells fighting against
• 1:27:50
  other cells saying, what should this main agent
• 1:27:52
  do? So, so it's our, it's, it's, it's not our
• 1:27:57
  thoughts or our logic or our reason. It's just
• 1:27:59
  the cells and a feeling? Logic and reason up
• 1:28:04
  here. That's like the main captain of the ship.
• 1:28:06
  You have that gut feeling that could also be
• 1:28:09
  building. Yeah, your gut feeling I get, yeah.
• 1:28:12
  And that's a lot of the others still screaming
• 1:28:14
  out what they want. But we're seeing now with
• 1:28:17
  the gut microbiome just how important the bacteria
• 1:28:21
  is towards our overall anxiety, our feelings
• 1:28:25
  of safety, how serious they are. You want to
• 1:28:30
  have harmony with them as well. We're all just
• 1:28:32
  one. pouring together down here. Okay, I have
• 1:28:38
  a little side question for that, I guess, is
• 1:28:43
  these cells aren't really screaming out. So what
• 1:28:46
  are the cells doing that are making you have
• 1:28:49
  those feelings? I know exactly what you're talking
• 1:28:50
  about because today, I hate to admit it, I was
• 1:28:54
  out with my friend and he wanted to go out for
• 1:28:58
  a drink. I didn't want to go out for a drink.
• 1:29:00
  And in my body, I felt like, ugh, I know what
• 1:29:03
  that's going to feel like. I don't want to do
• 1:29:05
  it. And yet, when I was my friend, I still did
• 1:29:08
  it. But I knew the feeling. Is that just memory
• 1:29:13
  recounting what it feels like to drink alcohol
• 1:29:14
  and the bad experience? Or is it my cells? And
• 1:29:17
  if it's my cells, what are the cells doing exactly
• 1:29:21
  that makes me feel that way? What are they producing?
• 1:29:25
  That's a very good question. Each cell is able
• 1:29:28
  to form its own model of the world. It can relate
• 1:29:32
  things, its senses. with expectations of what's
• 1:29:35
  going to happen. So it starts sensing your intention
• 1:29:38
  to drink and it has a model of, well, when alcohol
• 1:29:41
  comes in, this is what happens to my homeostasis.
• 1:29:44
  I get slapped around, I get damaged. I vote no.
• 1:29:49
  And so there's ways it can vote no, it can release
• 1:29:51
  stress hormones. One very, very big pathway is
• 1:29:55
  the vagus nerve, which connects your gut to your
• 1:29:58
  brain. The, the bulk of your serotonin is actually
• 1:30:05
  manufactured down there. It's still not shown
• 1:30:07
  exactly how much of that serotonin makes its
• 1:30:10
  way to the brain. Um, but it is a feeling of
• 1:30:13
  safety and a feeling of comfort. And when you
• 1:30:16
  don't get that, you kind of get that anxiety
• 1:30:17
  feeling. Um, it's yeah. Stress response, cortisol,
• 1:30:21
  serotonin, vagus stimulation. There's a lot of
• 1:30:23
  ways that the gut brain axis allows two way communication.
• 1:30:28
  Right. So like your brain is about five pounds.
• 1:30:32
  Was that like two kilograms for you metric system
• 1:30:35
  people? But if you were to take all the bacteria,
• 1:30:39
  like scrape it out of your intestines and weigh
• 1:30:41
  it, it's about the same weight as the brain.
• 1:30:44
  You got about two kilograms of bacteria. That's
• 1:30:47
  wild. They're voting too. Yeah, that's cool.
• 1:30:52
  Yeah. Where does UN and other environment begins?
• 1:30:57
  Is that bacteria inside you? the environment,
• 1:31:00
  is that you? The bacteria on my kids, right?
• 1:31:03
  But inside me? Yeah. Inside me, I think, like
• 1:31:08
  when I think of your, let's say your microbiome,
• 1:31:11
  I think those are just like little critters not
• 1:31:14
  related to you that you have to feed so they
• 1:31:18
  don't cause you stomach upset. But I know that
• 1:31:21
  it can't be, you're right, there's got to be
• 1:31:22
  a deeper connection because if they affect your
• 1:31:24
  mood, how connected are they to like your emotions?
• 1:31:27
  Because you still recognize them as like being
• 1:31:31
  separate beings, like how can they have that
• 1:31:32
  kind of influence? That's insane. It's like some
• 1:31:34
  weird hive mind kind of stuff. Yeah, and what
• 1:31:38
  are cells? Because cells operate independently
• 1:31:41
  within, in your blood, your blood cells, right?
• 1:31:47
  Or your immune system. It operates as an independent
• 1:31:52
  system from, from you. It doesn't, what prompts
• 1:31:57
  your, obviously your immune system has a response
• 1:32:00
  to like what is not. It's like this independent
• 1:32:04
  police state, right? Or in your, um, within your
• 1:32:09
  blood. But why, why does it do that? And, and
• 1:32:15
  why do they die when you die? Or is it that?
• 1:32:19
  When they die, it's not that you die, it's that
• 1:32:23
  they die. You only, you're so, like, your ego's
• 1:32:26
  so big that you think it's you, but it's really
• 1:32:30
  not. Calling me a narcissist? It's yourselves.
• 1:32:33
  No, I'm just, let's be in general to that question
• 1:32:35
  because why don't they go on living after you're
• 1:32:39
  dead? So really, it's like they are the ones
• 1:32:42
  in charge, but they've convinced, but you, your
• 1:32:45
  perception is... You are the one experiencing
• 1:32:50
  all this. You are in control, but maybe not.
• 1:32:52
  It's all these things acting. A lot of them are
• 1:32:55
  anoxic, so they can't, like, read your body,
• 1:32:58
  even though they'll hit oxygen and die immediately.
• 1:33:01
  They had a good thing going by living inside
• 1:33:03
  you, but unfortunately, when we pass, they kind
• 1:33:06
  of go to... But that doesn't just say they don't
• 1:33:09
  live on through progeny, right? Like, you want...
• 1:33:13
  When a mother gives vaginal birth... the baby
• 1:33:16
  gets coated in her bacteria. And it's been shown
• 1:33:19
  that this is a very important step to prevent
• 1:33:21
  like immune problems later down the line. So
• 1:33:26
  these bacteria do have a way of continuing as
• 1:33:29
  well, at least part of them being passed from
• 1:33:32
  mother to child down the line. You did think
• 1:33:37
  of a really interesting study looking at what
• 1:33:39
  happens when deaths occur. There seems to be...
• 1:33:43
  a certain ensemble of bacteria that don't normally
• 1:33:47
  live in us, or at least not in any appreciable
• 1:33:49
  amount. But no matter where you are on earth,
• 1:33:51
  this same group of bacteria takes over and rots
• 1:33:55
  you, decays you down. So even though they're
• 1:33:57
  not native all around the world, at least we
• 1:33:59
  haven't ruled that out. To me that makes perfect
• 1:34:08
  sense to me. As far as I'm concerned, that's
• 1:34:11
  bacteria's job is to like... eat things and break
• 1:34:13
  them down. Yeah, but where do they come from?
• 1:34:16
  If they're not native, why do they take over
• 1:34:19
  when you die? Like, where do they come from?
• 1:34:21
  It's not that they take over. They just help
• 1:34:23
  bring it... Come on, are you kidding? We're just...
• 1:34:25
  You can't escape the filth. Is that what the
• 1:34:28
  UFOs are delivering? At some point in our existence,
• 1:34:30
  they enter... Bacteria bombs! Exactly, bacteria
• 1:34:39
  bombs. But it's everywhere. It makes perfect
• 1:34:42
  sense. Yeah, yeah, I've heard that. That's true.
• 1:34:45
  Yes. Absolutely. What's the YouTube channel Kutzkegon?
• 1:34:50
  Listen, I mean, I do believe, I mean, how did
• 1:34:54
  life come on this planet if not by some, you
• 1:34:56
  know, bacteria that came from space on some rock
• 1:35:02
  and then that started life? So are we, I mean,
• 1:35:07
  I guess we're the aliens. But at some point in
• 1:35:11
  your life, bacteria enters your body and it stays
• 1:35:14
  there. You're microbiome. We are a collection
• 1:35:19
  of aliens. We are not the aliens. We're just
• 1:35:22
  a collection of aliens. Like I said, okay, yeah,
• 1:35:24
  okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We
• 1:35:28
  sometimes find the bacteria that have entered
• 1:35:32
  your body at some point in your history and set
• 1:35:35
  up camp and exist. You know, the idea is for
• 1:35:40
  us to have a healthy gut microbiome. So the majority
• 1:35:45
  is the stuff that is beneficial to you. But there
• 1:35:48
  are other ones there that just will always exist.
• 1:35:52
  And they're not meant to be there, but they exist
• 1:35:55
  and they have another purpose. Or they're opportunistic.
• 1:35:59
  And when you die, for example, the ones that
• 1:36:01
  eat you are there and they're like, you know,
• 1:36:03
  it's party time. He's done. Everyone, like, you
• 1:36:05
  know, the other good ones die with you. And so
• 1:36:08
  those ones are still around. They're like, nice,
• 1:36:10
  let's party. And then they eat. They're just
• 1:36:13
  laying and waiting, you know? It's actually one
• 1:36:17
  of the reasons why antibiotics are being pushed
• 1:36:19
  out, not just because of superbug resistance
• 1:36:21
  or the encroachment of them, but the fact that
• 1:36:25
  when you take an antibiotic, it's like carpet
• 1:36:27
  bombing the neighborhoods inside you. Like it
• 1:36:30
  just, most antibiotics are general. They'll just
• 1:36:32
  wipe out all of those species, or at least most
• 1:36:35
  of them. And so you just leave all these broad
• 1:36:38
  swaths of open length for just anything to colonize.
• 1:36:42
  Basically, whatever opportunist comes with your
• 1:36:44
  next meal will just populate your gut and you'll
• 1:36:47
  have imbalance issues. Yeah. Yeah. That can take
• 1:36:53
  a long, if not forever to fix, right? Yeah. It
• 1:36:59
  depends how, you know, aware you are of it. This
• 1:37:06
  makes me really... Okay, so I have a very close
• 1:37:10
  relationship with this. Yes, what is that, Ruby?
• 1:37:13
  Please, tell viewers, yes. Estrogen. This is
• 1:37:15
  Progenova. One milligram. And recently a study
• 1:37:19
  came out saying that these changing hormones
• 1:37:28
  doesn't just... do what we think comas do. It
• 1:37:33
  basically rewrites a whole bunch of systems at
• 1:37:36
  the fundamental level within your body. Like
• 1:37:42
  it's a reprogramming of everything that you are.
• 1:37:48
  It's some other script given into your DNA to
• 1:37:52
  change things. Another code being written. So
• 1:37:59
  then you have hormonal messages. Electrical messages
• 1:38:01
  are more for things on really fast time scales.
• 1:38:05
  Like, oh, there's a tiger over there. So like
• 1:38:08
  for long, longer scale changes over the minutes,
• 1:38:11
  hours, the days, hormones are the messenger of
• 1:38:14
  sports. So it's like, Luigi, you're asking about
• 1:38:16
  bacteria. How do they communicate with the brain?
• 1:38:19
  It's mostly through hormone secretion. That's
• 1:38:22
  how this back and forth happens. Through the
• 1:38:23
  blood. from bacteria to brain, and then brain
• 1:38:26
  releases hormones back into the blood. And so
• 1:38:29
  when you, when you change, when you add some
• 1:38:31
  hormones into the blood, everything kind of has
• 1:38:33
  to change its model of the world to accompany
• 1:38:37
  this new reality. Now there's these hormones
• 1:38:40
  floating through that I would normally react
• 1:38:41
  to, but now they're there all the time. So I
• 1:38:45
  kind of have to subtract out that noise and reestablish
• 1:38:49
  what is a message and what's not. very broad
• 1:38:54
  speaking, broad change caused by a hormone, any
• 1:38:59
  hormonal pill. Yeah. It's really interesting
• 1:39:02
  to me because, I mean, the reason that's interesting
• 1:39:05
  is I have always, like, I started feeling way
• 1:39:10
  better as a human being existing in the world
• 1:39:14
  the moment I started taking it, like within,
• 1:39:17
  within a day. I was like, there was this massive
• 1:39:22
  sense of relief, not just in mental clarity,
• 1:39:26
  right? That came. So, and that must be within
• 1:39:31
  brain. Like I've said before, I used to have
• 1:39:34
  a lot, you were talking about right brain, left
• 1:39:37
  brain before. And I used to have a lot of dyslexia.
• 1:39:44
  or dyslexic symptoms at least, and now they've
• 1:39:48
  pretty much vanished. I still have some symptoms,
• 1:39:51
  but they are far less than they were before.
• 1:39:58
  Yeah, yeah, exactly. Well, maybe it's, I don't
• 1:40:03
  know what the word is, psychosomatic or something.
• 1:40:08
  Like a placebo effect or like an anxiety response
• 1:40:13
  before. And now that anxiety is gone. So there's
• 1:40:18
  a retraction of those symptoms. I don't know.
• 1:40:22
  Yeah. Something to think about. Well, I've been
• 1:40:24
  on hormones for many months. And the dyslexic
• 1:40:28
  effects weren't immediate, but the feelings were.
• 1:40:34
  Hopefully someday in the future, we'll be able
• 1:40:36
  to find out which bacteria need, you know, swapping
• 1:40:40
  out in order to have the same effect. Because,
• 1:40:44
  you know, a new species can have a whole host
• 1:40:46
  of changes, even more than a hormone because
• 1:40:48
  they release multiple hormones. What is the ideal
• 1:40:52
  combination of bacteria? It looks like it's human
• 1:40:57
  specific or at least lineage specific. People
• 1:41:01
  from certain areas have grown up with the bacteria
• 1:41:03
  over there. So they tend to do better when they
• 1:41:06
  have those, their host to those species. One
• 1:41:11
  attempt, more or less a blunt attempt at fixing
• 1:41:16
  this problem is fecal transplants where they'll
• 1:41:19
  take feces from somebody who has a good... Yeah,
• 1:41:25
  it can help with leukemia, right? So a recent
• 1:41:29
  paper showed that while they were looking at...
• 1:41:31
  Um, analysis of the species by length of your
• 1:41:34
  intestines. And they found that there's actually
• 1:41:36
  three different neighborhoods, um, with their
• 1:41:39
  own species composition. So you can't just take
• 1:41:42
  one fecal pill and repopulate all three of those
• 1:41:46
  neighborhoods. Cause it'll really only benefit
• 1:41:48
  one of them. The other two will be thrown into
• 1:41:50
  chaos by the fecal transplant. So we're just
• 1:41:54
  now learning the actual science of what we're
• 1:41:56
  doing by changing. Yes, there's dramatic effects.
• 1:41:59
  by reintroducing species that are lost, but how
• 1:42:03
  to target which species and where that hasn't
• 1:42:07
  been fully explored. And that's definitely something
• 1:42:09
  that needs to be looked into. Aren't there like
• 1:42:13
  hundreds of thousands of species within your
• 1:42:16
  gut? We've actually found a whole new tree of
• 1:42:17
  life. So you have like bacteria, you have archaea,
• 1:42:22
  you have eukaryotes. There's a new type of life
• 1:42:26
  called obelisks. that exist in about one third
• 1:42:30
  of humans. They don't, they're not archaea, they're
• 1:42:33
  not bacteria, they're not protists, eukaryotes.
• 1:42:36
  We don't know what they are. They have very interesting
• 1:42:39
  DNA. They're in a class of their own, a kingdom
• 1:42:42
  of their own. And they just, they were just discovered.
• 1:42:45
  So we have a whole new form of life that we don't,
• 1:42:48
  they're not viruses either. They're kind of like
• 1:42:49
  viruses, but they're more like bacteria. They
• 1:42:52
  have a cell wall. Yeah, we're still trying to
• 1:42:56
  figure out what lives inside of us. and classifying
• 1:42:59
  it all. It's difficult. That's wild. I feel like
• 1:43:01
  when all of the species on Earth will be discovered,
• 1:43:03
  we'll be still trying to discover the millions
• 1:43:07
  of bacteria, which is pretty cool. We'll still
• 1:43:11
  be trying to map the sea floor. And find the
• 1:43:16
  secret. Find all the secret government bases.
• 1:43:22
  They're smart dinosaurs, I'm telling you. Smart
• 1:43:24
  dinosaurs. I'll put my money on it. Definitely
• 1:43:26
  check out that 4chan post. It's fascinating.
• 1:43:29
  Like 20 pages full of information. Really put
• 1:43:33
  things together in a way no one else has. I have
• 1:43:36
  feelings about 4chan though. That's where the
• 1:43:39
  groepers live. You don't have to pay attention.
• 1:43:41
  4chan is a big place, you know. It's hard not
• 1:43:44
  to pay attention to them. They follow you. They
• 1:43:46
  will find you. Trust me. Fair. Try to be a grope.
• 1:43:50
  They will find you. It's a test pool, let's be
• 1:43:54
  honest. But that's where whistleblowers go, to
• 1:43:56
  blow the whistle. Yeah, you gotta go somewhere,
• 1:43:59
  you know? Oh well. Alright Ruby, should we wrap
• 1:44:05
  it up? This is the longest podcast we've done.
• 1:44:07
  No it's not. It's been two hours. No it's not.
• 1:44:10
  The last time we did this it was three hours,
• 1:44:13
  yeah. No way. Yeah, the longest one I've done
• 1:44:18
  is four hours. But it gets edited down to, yeah.
• 1:44:24
  Yeah. Um, well, no, I'm, I'm, I, I have feelings
• 1:44:29
  about, I don't like AI. AI stinks. Okay. AI sucks
• 1:44:33
  ass. It's the worst. And I have two things I
• 1:44:36
  want to say about it. I use AI to edit because
• 1:44:39
  I think that's what AI, that's where it should
• 1:44:41
  end. This program that we're recording on, it
• 1:44:45
  transcribes everything that, that we say into
• 1:44:48
  text. Then it uses an AI. a generative text model
• 1:44:54
  to dissect the meaning and decide which are segments,
• 1:45:00
  which are ums and ahs, and I can edit by highlighting
• 1:45:04
  text and deleting it. And that will edit the
• 1:45:07
  video. So that's extremely useful. So AI can
• 1:45:10
  edit the video. But you know what? I, two or
• 1:45:15
  three days ago, oh shit, what am I saying? It
• 1:45:19
  was Friday. Yesterday. I saw this prompt on,
• 1:45:27
  or it was like a silly thing on Discord saying,
• 1:45:30
  what would, like, just as a note for you, what
• 1:45:36
  would your mythical creature be? So then I went
• 1:45:40
  onto AI. onto ChatGPT, it has all of the transcripts
• 1:45:45
  from all of the Kaleidoscope podcasts so far
• 1:45:48
  uploaded into a single project, right? So I go,
• 1:45:53
  look at all of my transcripts, take my personality,
• 1:45:58
  dissect it. It's got all of my poetry as well.
• 1:46:03
  Tell me what you think would be the best like
• 1:46:07
  creature for me. And I did, like, for shits and
• 1:46:11
  giggles, I did deep research on it. Wait a minute,
• 1:46:15
  can we guess it? Liger. Jesus Christ! No, not
• 1:46:22
  a liger. Why? Why liger? Because I keep growing
• 1:46:26
  and growing? Because I have Down syndrome? Because
• 1:46:29
  it's just a magical being. You just have magic.
• 1:46:32
  It's known for its potency and magic. Liker is
• 1:46:35
  not even remotely known for its potency and fucking
• 1:46:37
  magic. Half a lion, half a tiger. Right for its
• 1:46:41
  power and magic. The dual thin mermaid that Starbucks
• 1:46:48
  uses as its mascot. No, no, no, no, no. But wait,
• 1:46:53
  I want to say the thing. What it does is it goes...
• 1:46:57
  Going into like doing these deep research into
• 1:47:01
  like reflection for And the phrasing it used
• 1:47:05
  for what I don't remember exactly what it said.
• 1:47:07
  It was Narcissistic reflections. I was like,
• 1:47:10
  what the fuck? You're supposed to affirm me!
• 1:47:17
  Reflexes? Oh, reflection. Reflection, reflection.
• 1:47:20
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. The thing that it came up with
• 1:47:23
  is a mirror moth. It doesn't exist. I told her
• 1:47:27
  to do two. One is a phoenix, which is kind of
• 1:47:30
  cliche, which is existing, right? And the other
• 1:47:33
  one is new based on the lore from my book and
• 1:47:37
  blah, blah, blah. A mirror moth. A mirror moth
• 1:47:40
  is a species that exists. But this one is reimagined
• 1:47:45
  to be like magical. It sounds cool. Yeah. Okay.
• 1:47:51
  I like AI. I like it in all aspects. Like, I
• 1:47:57
  know people are like, oh, AI is so bad because
• 1:47:58
  it makes art. Who cares? Let it make art. It's
• 1:48:01
  not that people can't make art. It's not that
• 1:48:03
  AI is bad. It's the people that might exploit
• 1:48:05
  AI. But listen, and Ryan will attest to this.
• 1:48:11
  Yo, I love Sora and all the zany AI stuff it
• 1:48:16
  creates. I've been sending Ryan JD Vance memes.
• 1:48:22
  I love it. I love that someone is like, make
• 1:48:26
  JD Vance, I don't know, riding a skateboard down
• 1:48:31
  a big hill. It's fricking hilarious. Who is controlling
• 1:48:35
  AI? Right now it's okay because you can make
• 1:48:39
  that of JD Vance. Yeah. Great. But it's also
• 1:48:44
  not okay. It's also destroying the internet.
• 1:48:48
  Why? Because... Young people don't have technical
• 1:48:52
  literacy, so they can't tell truth from reality.
• 1:48:55
  No, you can literally go on Twitter and just
• 1:48:56
  watch bots argue each other. Entertainment, whatever.
• 1:48:59
  Listen, if you're dumb enough to do it, by all
• 1:49:02
  means. Why get upset about that? There's now
• 1:49:07
  more bot traffic on the internet. More cynical.
• 1:49:10
  Yeah, okay. So when you put it like that, I worry
• 1:49:13
  about that because I know how much energy...
• 1:49:17
  the internet uses, you know, and if it's just
• 1:49:20
  robots polluting our earth, then yeah, I say
• 1:49:24
  it's a problem. But otherwise, you know, okay,
• 1:49:30
  fine. It's completely destroyed. It's destroying
• 1:49:34
  a human connection. And hopefully this podcast
• 1:49:37
  is going some way to trying to fix that. I don't
• 1:49:41
  think AI is destroying human connection at all.
• 1:49:45
  Disagree. I'm sorry. Already destroyed. I'm not
• 1:49:49
  allowed to respond how I normally would respond
• 1:49:51
  and put them on this podcast. But I will contact
• 1:49:54
  them real nice. Let us know how the podcast went.
• 1:49:56
  Yeah. I've seen that. There was a professor who
• 1:50:00
  got tired of answering emails, so he just has
• 1:50:02
  an AI also responding to emails for her. I mean,
• 1:50:06
  hey, that's great. You know, what did professors
• 1:50:09
  use before AI to respond to emails? They used
• 1:50:12
  teaching assistants. Like, let's be real. Come
• 1:50:16
  on, that's it. They even use teaching as a spark
• 1:50:19
  your papers No, I think I think AI has its uses
• 1:50:23
  as a generative text model AI is useful and and
• 1:50:27
  and I just think that AI should Whatever it is.
• 1:50:31
  It should be relegated to the to the Purview
• 1:50:35
  of being a tool to assist you to create something
• 1:50:40
  I'm okay with people using AI to achieve CGI
• 1:50:45
  Right? But I'm not okay with someone using AI
• 1:50:50
  to create a video from scratch. Because I think
• 1:50:55
  then, like, and then taking credit for that,
• 1:50:59
  like going, oh, I created this thing. No, you
• 1:51:03
  didn't. You don't know any of the skills that
• 1:51:06
  went into creating that. They curated it. But
• 1:51:11
  you know, that kind of rhetoric has existed for
• 1:51:15
  the last 15 years. I remember when I started
• 1:51:19
  hearing, I'm a curator, I'll curate this. Pick
• 1:51:23
  and choose and take credit for it. I see no difference
• 1:51:26
  personally when it comes to AI and that dynamic.
• 1:51:30
  You're blurry. Yeah. Okay. You're not wrong.
• 1:51:34
  I see the curator angle that you could argue,
• 1:51:38
  but I don't think it's valid. Because you haven't
• 1:51:43
  curated. Like, you didn't go out and choose it.
• 1:51:45
  Something else went out and choose it. That's
• 1:51:47
  like me going into your house and saying, I curated
• 1:51:53
  this. Well, it's like you're the boss and you're
• 1:51:56
  telling your little minions to do the work. Oh,
• 1:51:59
  do this. But it was ultimately your idea. It's
• 1:52:03
  like using a calculator. Ryan has thoughts. It
• 1:52:08
  just reminds me of a certain someone you used
• 1:52:10
  to work for and that I still work for, you know,
• 1:52:13
  doing kind of the same thing. I use AI. Every
• 1:52:16
  guitar combination has already been played. We're
• 1:52:19
  all just remaking remakes of it. Yes, yes. That's
• 1:52:26
  true, I think, for the most part. You know, everything's
• 1:52:29
  just, everything, every form of art rides on
• 1:52:32
  the laurels of an older piece of art, I think.
• 1:52:36
  That's true truly originality is non -existent
• 1:52:39
  only authenticity remains condition Hey, you're
• 1:52:42
  looking at it from a panpsychist your point.
• 1:52:44
  We're all the cells the society reform is one
• 1:52:47
  thing Wow Big brain dude cosmic brain Learning
• 1:52:55
  over time. We're taking old thoughts that happened
• 1:52:58
  and we're expanding upon them over I hope literacy
• 1:53:06
  rate falling. Yeah, and when it comes to art
• 1:53:10
  and we're using the same kinds of like, I don't
• 1:53:12
  know, tropes and themes and stories, whatever,
• 1:53:14
  we're making it, it's still entertainment, it's
• 1:53:16
  still enjoyable. It can still be appreciated
• 1:53:18
  for other kinds of aspects. No, I don't appreciate
• 1:53:23
  AI creating videos that Facebook moms think are
• 1:53:26
  real when it's like a cat saving a baby from
• 1:53:29
  a fucking bear. It doesn't exist. It's not real,
• 1:53:33
  okay? You don't have the media, get off the internet!
• 1:53:38
  Okay, why worry about those people? They're dumb.
• 1:53:41
  They don't know any better. You let them be dumb.
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  They're they're the reason we're in this like
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  political shit storm that we're in is because
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  of dumb people. They're dumb neighbors. Well,
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  okay. I understand that. I'm gonna have to cut
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  this whole part of like this is officially like
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  like cutting out half. We're talking about conspiracy
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  theories and things and then insulting some of
• 1:54:06
  the people that are into that. This kind of goes
• 1:54:07
  into the realm of conspiracy. You could create
• 1:54:11
  conspiracy via all the Michael Jackson Sora videos
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  on the internet. Imagine the kids born. Imagine
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  the kids born in like, I don't know, the 2010s.
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  How old would they be now? Only 15. Okay, let's
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  say 2000s. Like, I don't know. I wonder, this
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  is how long I haven't been in like the Americas,
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  but like, maybe Ryan can attest this. Ryan, if
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  you teach students who are maybe 17 or 18, just
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  new to university, like, do they know? That the
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  memes on the internet are are not real like the
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  source of like do they think those videos of
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  Michael Jackson? Talking to like mr. Rogers are
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  real they think that happened Like this is their
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  only yeah But they also don't know the real they
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  never experienced the real right only know the
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  faith exactly Yeah, so by default, because they
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  don't think there's anything, they think these
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  are two people. Oh, they're real. Just by default,
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  they just default to thinking they're real. They
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  exist in the world because they have no like
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  cultural vested interest in them. It's weird.
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  Man, I wish, I wish, I wish Baudrillard were
• 1:55:32
  still alive. And in the face of this, you also
• 1:55:35
  go like Baudrillard, Sora is a good thing. It's
• 1:55:41
  sort of an entertaining thing. I love it. I think
• 1:55:44
  it's hilarious what's going on. I can buy entertainment.
• 1:55:52
  Yeah. No country yet. No group of people has,
• 1:56:01
  as far as I know, used AI for some kind of political
• 1:56:08
  gain. South America, yeah. Oh, have they? Okay.
• 1:56:16
  Really? I believe it was Brazil. Incredible.
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  I was going to say like South Park to push some
• 1:56:30
  kind of agenda. I support that message. That
• 1:56:36
  was hilarious. I have no doubt that chat bots
• 1:56:40
  using some kind of AI in Russia is influencing
• 1:56:44
  American politics. Oh, yeah, definitely. But
• 1:56:47
  are there videos being made to trick a populace?
• 1:56:51
  That's the question. Because it's the specular
• 1:56:54
  that's more effective than just like, you know,
• 1:56:59
  words, text, whatever. I think that there are
• 1:57:03
  some Well, here's the problem, two problems.
• 1:57:07
  Number one, we've already seen some of the politicians
• 1:57:11
  in America going, oh, I didn't say that, that's
• 1:57:17
  AI. So it casts doubt. Like, unless you were
• 1:57:22
  holding the fucking camera, nothing is real.
• 1:57:29
  That is a major problem. fake things are being
• 1:57:35
  generated by AI and how the next generation of
• 1:57:39
  models are being trained on that data. So the
• 1:57:42
  fake things are being misconstrued as truth.
• 1:57:46
  So it's getting dumber and dumber with each iteration
• 1:57:49
  because the past iterations, hallucinations,
• 1:57:53
  and bad uses are getting misconstrued as truth
• 1:57:56
  mixed up with the truth and now it's... It's
• 1:58:00
  going to compound on itself. So let's really
• 1:58:02
  curate your data set that you train your model.
• 1:58:04
  So AI is eating itself. Yeah. Getting dumber.
• 1:58:09
  Good. That's a good thing. We see an active campaign
• 1:58:14
  right now on Wikipedia to erase anything UFO
• 1:58:17
  related, any kind of science or research into
• 1:58:20
  it or events. A lot of them are getting erased
• 1:58:22
  from Wikipedia. So the later models. Just the
• 1:58:27
  later models. Don't say anything positive or
• 1:58:30
  talk about the subject. I like that we've...
• 1:58:34
  See, now Ruby, you have to include this in the
• 1:58:35
  podcast. We've brought it back. I like the hermeneutics
• 1:58:38
  of this conversation. Back to your pose, baby!
• 1:58:41
  I'm just gonna cut out where I say people are
• 1:58:41
  dumb. Yeah. Why, come on. Then why not? That's
• 1:58:45
  not so bad. People are dumb. I'll leave it in.
• 1:58:47
  I'll leave it in. I'll leave it in. Don't worry.
• 1:58:50
  I think this... I'm dumb. You're dumb. We're
• 1:58:53
  all dumb. Let's be dumb together. I think this
• 1:58:53
  whole podcast, there's almost nothing I need
• 1:58:56
  to cut out. It's just gonna like run smoothly,
• 1:58:59
  to be honest. I think so too. Listen, when Ryan
• 1:59:02
  comes on, it's the best time. He's a good...
• 1:59:06
  He's our foreign expert. He's great. I'm trying
• 1:59:08
  to do the book. Trying to do the book as a reference.
• 1:59:11
  in an argument yesterday online and the person
• 1:59:14
  says, I think an accepted book is an evidence.
• 1:59:16
  I don't want to read that. We're going to that
• 1:59:20
  point. I need, I need somebody to summarize,
• 1:59:23
  AI summarize this for me. I don't want it actually.
• 1:59:26
  Yeah, nah. Yikes. Fair enough. It's just, it's
• 1:59:31
  the new, AI is the new cliff notes, I guess.
• 1:59:35
  That's true. Um, Ryan, do you have social media?
• 1:59:40
  you would like for me to call out or anything.
• 1:59:44
  Can you send it in the chat? I'm not really a
• 1:59:51
  big social media guy trying to stay away from
• 1:59:54
  it as much as possible because it's just rotting
• 1:59:57
  our brains. That's a good point. If you don't
• 2:00:07
  want Ruby to share it, she won't. I mean, I don't
• 2:00:09
  even, I don't share mine. I don't think it's
• 2:00:11
  worth sharing. So yours is, it's not a Q, it's
• 2:00:15
  a K, huh? Yeah. You're a photographer. Share
• 2:00:19
  yourself. I agree. You should give me something
• 2:00:22
  to share. Anyway, ladies and gentlemen, that
• 2:00:25
  was Kaleidoscope with our guest. Ryan, you can
• 2:00:31
  find Ryan on, what is this, Instagram? Quicksilver?
• 2:00:36
  Instagram, at Quicksil - Oh, Q - What? That's
• 2:00:43
  a J, not a K, right? It's a K. He just misspelled
• 2:00:47
  it. With a - But there's a Quidge -silver. Yeah,
• 2:00:52
  he misspelled it. It's quick. It's quick. Oh,
• 2:00:55
  it's Q -U -I -K -silver. All one word. 10152.
• 2:01:06
  Q -U -I -K -S -I -L -V -E -R 10152. You can find
• 2:01:13
  Kaleidoscope on Instagram at firefromheat, or
• 2:01:17
  on TikTok at heatfromfire, or on YouTube at rayleo.
• 2:01:23
  You can also find us on echoember .co .uk and
• 2:01:28
  it has been a pleasure to host you today. I'm
• 2:01:32
  going to stop the recording.