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Mega Edition: Transcripts From The DOJ's Sit Down With Ghislaine Maxwell (Part 1-3) (6/6/26) · The Vault: The Epstein Files

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Speaker 1: What's up everyone, and welcome to another episode of the
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Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going to begin taking
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a look at the Glenn Maxwell transcripts that just dropped.
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So Todd Blanche is going to be the one asking
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the questions and obviously the skafuzza Glenn Maxwell will be
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doing the answering. And this is day number one, July
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twenty fourth, twenty twenty five. Todd Blanche, Good morning, miss Maxwell.
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How are you? And when I say answer, that's Glenn
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Maxwell answering, and if there's any deviation from that I'll
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make sure to notate that as we work our way
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through this answer. Good morning, mister Blanche. Question good okay,
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So before we started recording, we met for a few minutes.
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I introduced myself and we've chatted and now I've told
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you that we're going on the record, and before we
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start asking questions, I know that you've been given by
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your lawyer a copy of what's called a proper agreement
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and I just want to spend two minutes making sure
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that you want tonderstand what that governs and what our
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conversation today is going to be. The most important part
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of this agreement is that this isn't a cooperation agreement,
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meaning that by you meeting with us today, we're really
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just meeting. We're not promising to do anything. Well besides
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mover to a different facility. How mister Blanche, I'm not
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promising to ask Judge Nathan or any of the judges
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that's been assigned to your case to do anything. We're
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just talking, and so that's the most important part of
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this agreement. However, almost as important is the fact that
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what this agreement does for you is it gives you protection.
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So what it means is that the government cannot use
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what you say today against you, with some exceptions, which
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we'll talk about in a minute, but whatever you talk
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about today, you have what's called immunity. So that means
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that your words that you say today we cannot use
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against you in a case in chief if we were
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ever to bring one. Okay, Glenn Maxwell, thank you Blanche.
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All right. There's exceptions to that, the most meaningful one
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of which is that if you say something today that's
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not true, that's a lie, we can bring a prosecution
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against you for what's called a false statement. So I'm
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a federal officer, I have several officers here, the FBI
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is here, and if you lie to someone that's like
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me or like Special Agent Horn, it's a crime. So
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you have to be truthful. The other exception to this
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that doesn't necessarily apply directly to you, but if there
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ever was a retrial in your case, or if there
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was ever a criminal case a future criminal case against you,
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and you're a lawyer, or you said something different or
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it took a position that's different than what you say today,
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then we can cross examine you or a witness based
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upon what you say today. So it's a little bit nuanced,
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meaning I can't use what you say against you in
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our case in chief. However, if you were to testify,
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or if you're a lawyer called a witness to testify
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and they said something that is totally different than what
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you say today, we could cross examine you or the
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witness and say, hey, do you remember when we met
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with miss Maxwell. When we met with miss Maxwell back
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in July of twenty twenty five, she told us then
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and then say what she said. Okay, Maxwell, I understand Blanche, Okay.
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Other than that, you I know you didn't have a
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lot of time with this morning to meet with mister Marcus.
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But did you have a chance to go over this
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briefly with them? Maxwell? I did, Blanche, okay, all right,
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so I've already signed it, as has special agent Horn. Maxwell. Okay,
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and mister Marcus signed it as well. So you got
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a pen. Please sign it Maxwell right here, Blanche, right here,
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it says client, Yes, and I will provide you a
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copy of this to your lawyer. So you guys have it. Maxwell,
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thank you, Blanche, Okay, thank you, so, miss Maxwell. About
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a week and a half ago or two weeks ago,
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Spencer Horn, can you see the light blinking on there
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on the sony? Yeah, there it is, Blanche. Okay. We're
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just confirming that it works, and it does. Maxwell. I
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guess about a week and a half or two weeks ago,
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mister Marcus reached out to me and said that that
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you wanted to speak with somebody from the government about
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not only your case, but about everything that's been in
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the media and that's been publicized about mister Epstein in
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your case. Maxwell. That's she gets cut off by Blanche,
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did he Maxwell cuts her off? That's true. And I
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did speak to him and I did ask him if
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oh and tell him that I would be very keen
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to talk to anyone, because no one from the government
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at any time ever in since the inception of the case,
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so dating back to the early two thousands, has ever
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spoken to me. And indeed, I believe ever reached out
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to me at any time to even speak to me,
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and that includes up to when I was indicted and prosecuted.
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I believe that, or I understand I should say rather
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that my attorneys at the time did tell the government
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that I wanted to speak to them because I was
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very keen to meet with anyone so that I could
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tell or have the mask me any question. I've never
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had any problem to speak to anybody, and I offered
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myself and I keep asking if they would meet with
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me so I could talk to them, and for whatever
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reason to that, she's cut off by Blanche Okay, Maxwell,
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that was not happening. Blanche Okay. I have questions that
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I want to ask you, but I'm not. If there's
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a path a question that I'm not asking that you
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think should be asked, I invite you to volunteer. Same
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thing goes for your lawyers. Oh yeah, let's let Maxwell
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lead the party. It's already a shit show, folks, Just
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to start a little bit, very briefly, can you talk
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about when you first met mister Epstein. I know that
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goes back a while, and just very generally talk about
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your relationship with mister Epstein from the time you met
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him all the way up until until his death. I
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met mister Epstein in nineteen ninety one, my I had
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I had never heard of him or met him before,
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and no one in my family had either. My father
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never knew him. And I'll explain why that is the case.
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I met to that. Blanche cuts her off. Where did
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you Where did you meet him? Maxwell? I had a
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girlfriend who I was Yeah, I moved to America. Briefly,
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I'd moved to America in ninety Blanche, Okay, Maxwell, I
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well moved, that's a big word. I'd come to visit
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America in nineteen ninety. I had been running my own
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company up until that time, which was a company called
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Maxwell's Corporate Gifts, and I had also been working for
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my father at the time. I had multiple jobs with him.
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I was in nineteen ninety I was working with a
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new company of his, a newspaper that was launching called
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The European and I was in charge of launching a
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magazine to go with the European and I was traveling
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at the time from England to America because my father
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was looking too well. He'd also bought McMillan, the publishing house,
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and he purchased the New York Daily News. And it's
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truth that my father always wanted me to come back
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full time and work for him. But that's a much
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longer story I don't think we need to go into
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at this time. So, but I was always working with him.
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There was no escaping it, as it were, to work
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for him. So in nineteen ninety I had come over
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to New York to help look at some of that.
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He was having some advertising issues with the New York
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Deli News, and in fact I met I may have
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met Donald Trump at that time, because my father was
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friendly with him and liked him very much. And I
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think should be said that he also very much liked
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Ivana because she was also from Czechoslovakia, where my dad
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was from. So I don't I don't remember if I
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did meet him or not in nineteen ninety with my dad,
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but I knew That's what I knew about about mister Trump.
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Blanche and This was before you met to that. He's
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interrupted by Maxwell. This was before I met mister Epstein. Maxwell. Yes, Blanche,
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all right, Maxwell. So I was already going backwards and
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forwards in America, and then in April of nineteen ninety one,
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I came to New York. But I can't remember for
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what reason, what business reason, but there was a business reason,
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something to do with my dad at the time. And
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a girlfriend of mine, who an American, told me I
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had broken up with my long term I'd been engaged
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getting my long term boyfriend and we'd broken up. And
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she said, I've got you, know, as your girlfriends do.
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I've got a guy for you to meet. And I
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was like, well, who is he? And she goes, it's
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he's been dating my sister. You'll love him. He's looking
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for a wife. I'm edging towards thirty. I don't need
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to tell you, guys, that's a very important moment for
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a girl to think about important things. And sure I'd
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be happy to meet him. And so sometime in nineteen
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ninety one, now we are in nineteen ninety one, I
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met him at his office on Madison Garden, and I
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think the most memorable thing I can think about that
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is he was wearing a tie, which he didn't often do.
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It had a giant seem like a ketchup stain on it.
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So I was like, wow, okay. And that was how
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we met. Was you're a meeting at his office for
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you to meet him just personally, or you're there to
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that he's cut off by Maxwell. I was just and
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then Blanche cuts her off work related reasons. Maxwell. No
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I knew nothing about him, Blanche, Okay, Maxwell. He just
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invited me to come and have tea, and I was like, tea,
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that's English, Okay. What was unusual was in his office.
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So I went to his office and we met and
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I found him very engaging. And that was that, Blanche.
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So okay, that's how you met him. So we and
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again I don't want to spend a lot of time,
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you know, on this particular issue, but what happened with
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your relationship over the years from the time you meet
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him in ninety one up until the time he passed
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away to this Marcus interjects, just give the highlights, Maxwell, Okay,
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the highlights. So I was looking for real estate for
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my dad to buy some and Epstein told me that
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he was also looking to move from his apartment and
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would I help him, And I said, sure, I'm looking already,
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so if I could look for him. So that's how
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I started. And then in nineteen ninety one my father
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passed away and I returned to New York after that,
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originally to come back and help with the family business,
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which was McMillan. And then the debacle of my father's
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passing hit the family and we lost all of our businesses,
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and my family thought it would be best if I
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stayed in America because of the intensity of the press
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and the drama surrounding my father's death in England, so
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I stayed in Epstein instead. Well, you can keep helping me.
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You can help me find a house and we can
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decorate the house. And it gave me something to do. Blanche,
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were you in a romantic relationship with him at this
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point or just friends? Maxwell? No, just friends, Blanche. And
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while we're just with respect to your father, there has
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been multiple questions about whether he worked for any intelligence agency.
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Do you have any knowledge about that, Glenn Maxwell, I think, well,
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certainly my father had a background and intelligence during because
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he was I believe he did in the Second World War.
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He was an intelligent British intelligence office. I think that
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my sort of belief is that once you've been an
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intelligence officer, you're kind of always It doesn't mean that
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you're formally employed. So I don't think my dad in
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any formal sense was you know, employed by the agency.
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But when you are a very significant businessman and politician,
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as my father was, you meet with people over time
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and I guess trade, business or ideas. I think if
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that would fall under that definition, that's how I would
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give it. Now. He certainly I have no formal knowledge
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of anything specifically that he did in that thing. But
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if you're asking me if I thought that he did
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help people, the answer would be yes, I did, Blanche,
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did your father and mister Epstein have a business relationship
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over the years. I know we're maybe jumping around a
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little bit. Maxwell, they never met, So Blanche cuts her
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off as far as you know, they never met Maxwell,
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know I Blanche cuts her off again? Or you know
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they never met Maxwell. I know they never met, Blanche. Well,
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how do you know they never met Maxwell? They just
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categorically I know they never met. Well because after in
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nineteen ninety one, before my father died, he asked me
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if I'd met anyone interesting or whatever, you know, because
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I was still trying not to be sucked back into
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the family business. And I told him that I had
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met mister Epstein. And the reason why I shared that
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I had met mister Epstein because I believed at the
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time that Epstein worked for Bar of Stearns, and Bar
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of Stearns was one of our banks. And I knew
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that my father was friendly with both Jimmy kin and
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Ace Greenberg. So my dad came was actually in New York.
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I think if I remember, I may. I don't think
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I had the conversation on the phone, but I honestly
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were talking thirty years ago, so I'm not sure. But
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maybe I told him this verbatim because it happened. I
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know that what my dad did. Whether I saw it
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or whether I was told later that, I don't remember.
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But he called both Jimmy Kine and Ace Greenberg to
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ask if what sort of guy he was even a
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because a bunch of mumbling here and she's interrupted by
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Blanche once again, so they never they never met Maxwell.
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He didn't even know who he was, Blanche, but they
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had certainly some of the people it sounds like or
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certainly the Barristerns connection was something that you know they had. Maxwell. No, well,
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he never had a connection with Epstein. He had a
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connection with the bank. I mean Epstein. I'd never heard
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of him or knew of them before. And I certainly
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if my dad had known him, right when I said
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this is who he was, he didn't know who he was. Blanche, Yeah,
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Maxwell's who he rang A's and he rang Jimmy. So
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to ask them if it was okay that I even
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knew him. And I just want to explain briefly why
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my father would even do such a thing. I had
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some interesting things that have happened in my life, and
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one of them was to be found on an IRA
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kidnapp and murder list. And so after that happened, well
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there were other related I'm not going to bore you
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with all the horrible things in that vein, but if
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you want the details, of course I can. But after
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that happened, my father wanted to put a lot of
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protection on me, obviously, and I declined on the grounds
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that would be a very life restricting event. You were
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all in law enforcement, I know you understand this, and
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so he told me that, you know, I would be
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taking my life into my own hands and then whatever.
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And so I think after that event and several others
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where I had stalkers and all the things that one has,
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he was always quite protective of me, and so if
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I met somebody, he would try and verify that they
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weren't going to do anything hideous. And so in this case,
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he thought it was weird that he would call Jimmy
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en das it might you know, you may think it is,
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but from my perspective, it was because he was concerned
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I was in America alone and he was an opportunity
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to verify who this person was. And so I don't
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know if I was in the room with him, I
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don't recall, but I know that at some point my
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father told me he's fine. See him, Todd Blanche, Yeah, Maxwell,
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he's safe, Todd Blanche. Okay, all right, we're gonna wrap
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up episode one right here, and in the next episode,
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we're gonna pick up where we left off. All of
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the information that goes with this episode can be found
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in the description box. What's up, everyone, and welcome to
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another episode of the Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're
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picking up where we left off with day one of
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the Glen Maxwell transcripts Blanche, Well, okay, so we might
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come back to touch on that a little bit more
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on the same point. But to that, Maxwell interrupts them. Yeah,
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Blanche again, I went down a rabbit hole for a minute. Maxwell,
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That's all right. I just wanted to know. She gets
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cut off by Blanche. That's helpful, thank you. So, Okay,
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so you're you're now in the nineties and you're friends
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with mister Epstein, your house decorating the house or the apartment.
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What happens with your relationship again. I know we're talking
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about a thirty five year time period or whatever, but
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to the extent you kind of at a very high
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level talk about it, Maxwell, listen, I think just full
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disclosure is the best way to go at this point. Blanche. Yeah. Maxwell.
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So in ninety two I slept with them one time,
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and I was like, whoa, that's it. We're going to
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be dating because that's what I thought. And I kind
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of thought of myself in that moment, like because you
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I felt if you slept with someone that you were
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dating them. Blanche, Yeah, Maxwell, that's the world I came from.
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But what really was well, that's how I thought, And
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but we didn't sleep together again for I don't know,
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really a significant period of time. And when I say
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to that, she's cut off by Blanche again, like years
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or Maxwell. I don't know if it was a year,
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I don't it feels that long, but maybe nine months.
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I mean a long time Todd, Blanche Okay, Maxwell and
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I just want to go back to I had found
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a house for him to rent to New York because
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he asked me, and I had been looking for one
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for my father, and I found one which was a
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former Iranian embassy I think it was. I think it
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belonged to the Iranians or the Iraqis or someone. Blanche okay, Maxwell,
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and I didn't know that he had any money. It was,
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like I want to say, it was twelve thousand a month,
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which to me seemed like a fortune. And I said
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to myself, I found this house, but I don't think
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you can afford it. He was like, that's ridiculous. Of
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course I can afford it. And he rented it. And
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that house came with it was State department house because
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it was I think was under sequestration or whatever it was.
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And I put it back together, but there were certain rules.
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You couldn't paint because it had to go back, and
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he gave it back to the country. Then, so he
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had his house and I moved into a ten foot
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by ten foot apartment because all of our stuff had
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either been lost or frozen or whatever. So he became
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in this moment, my lifeline really because I was everything
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was felt very similar to this moment, if that makes
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sense anyway. So I had a key to his house,
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I had no free access to his house, and in
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the entire time that he lived there, which was I
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believe until the beginning of nineteen ninety six, I never
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slept a single night in that house, never ever, not one.
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Just like I told you folks from the jump, Maxwell
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was never Jeffrey Epstein's girlfriend. People telling you that have
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been lying to you, Blanche, but you so you said
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a minute ago that you had slept with them on
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one occasion. And at that time remember thinking, you know
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that this meant you were in a relationship, but then
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it didn't. You really were not in that type of relationship. Maxwell. Well,
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I thought to that she's cut off by Blanche. Did
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that change over between ninety one and ninety two, or whatever.
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And years forward. Maxwell, So I did travel with him
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a lot, Blanche, Okay, Maxwell, So I would go to
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his houses in Palm Beach. He only had that house
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actually in no, that's not true. We had the house
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in Palm Beach, and he had a house in Ohio, Blanche,
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and where Maxwell Ohio? Blanche, okay? Maxwell. And he had
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the house in Ohio because of his business relationship with
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mister Wexner, and he had and I had to go
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to decorate and put that house together. When we traveled together,
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we stayed in the same bed. But not but I didn't, Blanche,
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go ahead, It's okay. Talk. So if you stayed so
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when you would travel with him to his house in
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pom Beach, Ohio, or even just traveling, if it was
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just traveling with them, you would stay in the same bed.
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So sleep in the same bed with him, Maxwell, Yes,
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Blanche okay. Maxwell Epstein told me that he had a
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heart condition, David Marcus A what Maxwell a heart condition?
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Marcus heart condition, Blanche A heart condition, okay, Maxwell, which
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meant that he didn't have intercourse a lot, which suited
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me fe because I actually do have a medical condition
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which precludes me from having a lot of intercourse. She
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just perjured herself. Jeffrey Epstein was having sex with girls
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three times a day, Todd, Blanche, So what was your
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understanding of his heart condition and why was it preventing
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him from having intercourse regularly? Maxwell? I don't know. I
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mean he liked other forms of sexual activity. Blanche. Well,
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let's come back. We're going to obviously spend some time,
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a lot of time on the actual conduct he was
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accused of. So will Maxwell cuts them off? Okay, what
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do you mean, accused of the things he was guilty of, right,
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mister Blanche, You piece of garbage, Todd Blanche, Well, we'll
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come back to that. So pick up where where you
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were talking about you traveling around with him. He rented
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the New York former Iranian house, Maxwell Iranian. There you go. Yeah, Blanche,
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until around ninety six. At that time, you I believe
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you said that he was basically your life, like you
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were with him pretty regularly. Maxwell. Well, I know, Blanche, Okay, Maxwell,
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So I never was with them regularly, Blanche, Okay, Maxwell,
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that is one of those misnomers, Blanche, Okay, Maxwell, I
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mean at the beginning I did see more of them,
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but I worked in his office, so I would go
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to the office and I would see him, and I
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would count in my head when I would see him.
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I would count that I would that would be a
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day that I would see him. But I didn't. I never, never,
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ever stayed with him, I believe, certainly until ninety three
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or ninety four. What I didn't know was that I
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think he was still with his actual girlfriend, who was
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Eva Anderson, who became Eva Dubin. They had been together
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my understanding, I think about ten years. I'm not sure,
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but that's what I think, ten years. And I had
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understood from my girlfriend initially that they weren't together, and
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Epstein himself told me that they were not together, but
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I don't think that was true. In fact, I know
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it's not true. So they were still together up until
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I think ninety four, when at some point in that
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period of time even met Glenn Dubin and they got married.
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I think in ninety four. I don't remember when they
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got married, but her, she was his best friend and
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his everything. He told me that he always wished that
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he had married her and had a child with her,
22:20
and I know that day she was family for him,
22:23
for his whole life, and I think even I'm not
22:25
sure if this is true, but you guys will know
22:27
if this is true or not when he came from
22:30
back from Paris and you arrested him. I don't know
22:33
if Eva was on the plane. Now I think that
22:35
either I read it in the discovery that I received,
22:39
or I saw it somewhere. But even if she wasn't
22:41
on the plane, there must have been some email communication
22:44
where she was in Paris at the same time and
22:47
going to fly back one or the other, I don't
22:50
know which one it is the correct version of that.
22:52
But so they were still obviously very close and remained
22:56
throughout the time. In fact, he was still saw a lot.
23:01
And so I also know now which I didn't know
23:04
at the time, was that he saw lots of other women.
23:07
And I know that now because I can see I
23:10
can see it from the fly logs. I know it
23:12
now because I can see it from the emails Blanche.
23:15
So you know from the case, Maxwell, yes, not from
23:19
Blanche cuts her off, that what happened. Maxwell, Yes, I
23:22
didn't know. Again, Blanche cuts her off. You didn't know
23:26
that along the way, Maxwell, I was contemporaneously. I absolutely
23:31
did not know at the time, Blanche, So okay, So
23:35
just and we're going to spend time on everything you're
23:37
talking about, but just kind of close out the big
23:40
picture of your relationship. So we're now in the late nineties,
23:44
continue on with again saying or staying high level to
23:48
the extent you can about your relationship with them. Maxwell.
23:52
So after my responsibility is increased with each acquisition that
23:56
he had in each new project. So I believe the
23:59
first thing that he purchased after was the ranch in
24:02
New Mexico. Blanche, Okay, Maxwell, And so what he had
24:06
tasked me with up until that, and I think that
24:09
was purchased in ninety four, if I'm right. So he
24:11
had tasked me. One of the things that we did
24:13
was visit in my mind, I say every state, but
24:16
it wouldn't have been every state, but many states to
24:19
go look at real estate property. So I know we
24:22
went to Montana, I know we went to Utah. It
24:25
was it was to go look at real estate. It
24:27
was fun, to be honest. And then I arranged for
24:31
us to go to New Mexico and he just loved
24:33
New Mexico. And then I don't remember how the ranch happened.
24:36
I don't remember that now it's lost. And then he
24:39
ended up buying the ranch, and I think, if I'm right,
24:42
it came from well, the kings, who may have been
24:45
the governor I you know, bought the ranch and then
24:49
I had to deal with that. Dealing with that was
24:52
the extent of it. The way that I thought of myself,
24:56
or the way that I think is the best way
24:58
to explain how my I view my role was as
25:01
a general manager, because each property to me was like
25:04
a hotel. So the ranch was very challenging because not
25:08
only that, but it had BLM land, so it helped
25:11
maintain your BLM. You have to have cattle, and I
25:14
love animals, so the first thing horses, and so I
25:17
wanted it. If you're going to have a ranch, I
25:20
like authenticity, and so I don't think you should have
25:22
a ranch if you're not going to have the things
25:24
that make it special. Blanche, so were you? Were you
25:28
paid by him along the way? Maxwell, So I to
25:31
that Blanche cuts her off. During this time, Maxwell, I
25:34
became salaried at some point, Blanche, Okay, Maxwell, My memory
25:39
is I got paid twenty five thousand dollars a year
25:41
to begin with. That's my memory, I may be wrong,
25:45
And then with each as it became obvious, because I
25:47
kept thinking I was going to go home home being England,
25:51
and but to that Blanche cuts her off. Did you
25:54
and financially you were not relying on them the twenty
25:57
five thousand or whatever amount you were paid. Were you
26:00
relying on that money to live and did generosity to live?
26:03
Or did you have your own money? Maxwell? So there's
26:07
he cuts her off again and again. I want to
26:09
just make sure we're talking about that, like keeping it
26:12
between like the late nineties, you know, maybe I guess
26:15
into a little of the two thousands, glam Maxwell. I
26:19
just want to hit something on the head right now.
26:21
There's a tremendous amount of reporting that said that I had.
26:26
She gets cut off by Leah Saphine a trust fund? Maxwell,
26:30
thank you? A trust fund. I have never had a
26:32
trust fund at any time. Marcus, So, how did you live?
26:36
Did you live with? I mean, twenty five thousand dollars
26:39
is not enough to live on? Maxwell? No, So I
26:42
had during this period of time, the Secret the Serious
26:45
Fraud Squad had come to see me in relation to
26:47
my father's passing and to establish whether I had been
26:50
involved in any way with his business or any shenanigans.
26:55
I think I told this story many times, so I
26:57
don't know if it's now somewhat at all, but I'll
27:01
tell you what it what my memory is. So I
27:03
received a letter from them that said about my business,
27:06
and my memory may be apocry full. There was a
27:09
ps that said, unintelligible, I had nothing. There was no
27:14
I was never involved in any of his businesses whatsoever.
27:17
So I was free, Blanche. And were you so your
27:20
You know, obviously your father and your family had a
27:23
lot of businesses. Is it because of the money. Whatever
27:27
money or whatever equity was in the business just stayed
27:30
with your other family members. Maxwell, No, there was no money.
27:34
So my father was never attached to money. He was
27:37
born a peasant or real one dirt floor, no shoes
27:40
or clothes. Some clothes, but not you know, Sorry, I
27:43
don't mean to say nothing. And he never he was
27:46
never into that. I mean there were things that he had,
27:49
his extravagances. He loved his boat and his plane, so
27:52
obviously you need money for that, but there was no
27:55
nothing else. There was not a single penny that came
27:58
to any of us at any time ever, Blanche. Okay,
28:02
So when you're talking about your life with Epstein in
28:04
the nineties, you're not very different financially. You're a very
28:09
different financially position than he is. Oh, here we go.
28:12
This is all about making her a victim. That's what
28:14
this is. You should be disgusted by this bullshit. Oh
28:18
poor Maxwell was only making twenty five g's a year, Blanche,
28:23
meaning he'd give you money. He's paying for you when
28:26
you fly. I assume he pays for your flights. Maxwell. Yes, Blanche, okay,
28:31
So you I interrupted you when you were saying how
28:33
you were functioning as a general manager, you help with
28:36
the new Mexico ranch. So did you your role with
28:39
him continue like that for many years? Or for how long? Maxwell?
28:43
So I continued in two thousand. Well, in ninety nine,
28:46
our relationship had foundered, Blanche. Why? Maxwell, Well, two reasons.
28:51
We were never sleeping together again. So we stopped having
28:54
sexual relations in ninety nine. Not full sex. Sorry, just
28:57
to be clear. Didn't mean that we didn't still share
29:00
a bedroom sometimes or whatever. He had another girlfriend, Blanche,
29:05
He had what Maxwell other girlfriends. I definitively knew that
29:09
it was over after nine to eleven actually because we
29:12
were both in New York and I don't know were
29:15
you in New York on nine eleven? I mean nine
29:17
to eleven. It was a scary time and if you
29:20
were in New York, you didn't know. I didn't know,
29:22
nobody knew what was going on. And he was in
29:24
the seventy first Street and I was in sixty fifth
29:27
Street at my house, and he wouldn't see me at all,
29:30
asked me his mom, who I'm very close to, who
29:33
was in the hospital at Lenox Hill, just asked me
29:35
to look after her. And then I knew, as anyone
29:38
did at the time, if you're not going to be
29:40
there for someone in nine to eleven, you're never going
29:42
to be there. So for me, that was the line's end.
29:46
And he had another English girlfriend actually from two thousand. Blanche,
29:50
Are you though still being paid by him by at
29:53
this point Maxwell, Yes, Blanche, Okay, so go ahead. So
29:58
at that point when you say you're I realized kind
30:00
of it was over. Maxwell, Well, I mean I'm talking
30:04
about I had there was I wanted to get married
30:07
and have children, and Epstein had encouraged me to believe
30:11
that would I don't know about the certainly by the
30:13
mid late nineties, I knew the marriage part was never
30:16
going to happen. I had believed that maybe in ninety six,
30:20
ninety seven, ninety eight, maybe, But then I realized I
30:23
wasn't that. But I did think that we might have
30:26
a child, which is what I really wanted, and I
30:29
realized to that. Blanche cuts her off. So okay, so
30:32
what happens between two thousand and one then twenty nineteen
30:36
with your relationship with them? All right, we're gonna wrap
30:39
up right here, and in the next episode dealing with
30:41
the topic, we're gonna pick up where we left off.
30:44
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30:46
be found in the description box. What's up, everyone, and
30:50
welcome to another episode of the Epstein Chronicles. In this episode,
30:54
we're picking up where we left off with the Glenn
30:57
Maxwell transcript from July twenty four Blanche, So, okay, so
31:02
what happened between two thousand and one and then twenty
31:05
nineteen with your relationship with them? Give her take two
31:09
thousand and one, Maxwell, So we stopped having physicality. I
31:12
mean that doesn't mean we weren't friends. I certainly did
31:15
stay sometimes in his room. I mean friends with benefits
31:19
if you will just not sex. Sorry. And I started
31:22
dating Blanche, okay, Maxwell, and I met someone that I
31:26
fell very much in love with in two thousand and three.
31:29
His name was Ted Waite. Ted Waite you may know
31:32
as the founder of Gateway the computers, and we had
31:35
an amazing relationship that ended went on until twenty ten,
31:39
I think, and I was with Ted from that time, Blanche,
31:43
Did you meet him through mister Epstein? Maxwell? No, well, indirectly,
31:47
I suppose you could say so. No, they'd never met.
31:51
I was at a dinner party where I met Ted,
31:53
but it wasn't I was with President Clinton. President Clinton
31:58
was my friend, not Epstein's friend. And Epstein was flown
32:01
him and there was a dinner and Ted came to
32:04
the dinner. So I guess indirectly through mister Epstein because
32:08
it was with his plane. But I'd have been there
32:11
anyway without him. I had had not the And as
32:14
Glenn Maxwell is stammering, her lawyer David Marcus steps in,
32:19
was Epstein on the plane when you guys flew Maxwell
32:21
on the trip? Yes? Well yes they that, yes, Blanche.
32:26
So when you say they the dinner, what was that?
32:31
Maxwell in Hong Kong, Blanche, okay, And so you had
32:35
flown over with So who was on the plane for
32:37
that trip? I don't mean everybody when you said so,
32:40
mister Epstein was on the plane. Maxwell, Yes, Blanche, you
32:44
were on the plane. Maxwell, Yes, Blanche. Who else that
32:47
you can remember? I'm not you know, you only remember
32:50
what you remember. Marcus was President Clinton on the plane, Maxwell, Clinton,
32:55
he would have he would have had his guy Doug Vance,
32:59
maybe Ja Cooper, maybe the two Todd Blanche, And and so,
33:05
why so how did you meet So? Why did you
33:07
say that's when you met him, and that you met
33:11
him through Clinton? Maxwell? Well, it was I don't think
33:15
Ted would have been there had it not been. It
33:18
was a President Clinton dinner, and Ted came to be
33:20
with President Clinton. Blanche, I see Maxwell, not to be
33:24
with mister Epstein. Does that make sense, Blanche? Yes? Maxwell,
33:29
That's why I say that, Blanche. Okay. So you're you're
33:32
in a time when you're dating that, you're with him
33:35
into two thousand and nine. Are you still working for
33:38
mister Epstein during that time? Maxwell? So it'd be true
33:43
to say that Jeffrey tried very hard. He tried very
33:46
hard to keep me working for him, because this is
33:49
a complex operator. I'm not talking about anything on the ward,
33:53
just the sheer size of the projects. I'm talking the
33:56
construction projects, the houses, the staff. It's really a significant job.
34:01
And I ran all the properties, the staff in the properties,
34:04
the management of the properties, and all the construction. And
34:08
we're talking tens of millions of dollars for the island alone.
34:11
I can't remember what the budget was for the construction
34:14
on any given year. It's gone. But these are very
34:18
significant projects. And so that's what I did. I managed
34:21
the budgets. Well, not I didn't manage the budgets. I
34:25
oversaw the budgets. So I would just make sure that
34:28
if you said you bought an air conditioning part, I
34:31
saw an air conditioning part, and I could call the
34:33
island manager, did you receive the carrier whatever? You know? Blanche.
34:38
When did mister Epstein purchase the island, Glenn Maxwell, I
34:41
want to say ninety six or ninety seven, something like that, Blanche. Okay,
34:46
So we're going to come back and spend more time
34:48
on the money with respect to mister Epstein and his wealth,
34:52
but just so we can finish this. So in two
34:55
thousand and nine, you end your relationship with Ted Maxwell nine,
35:00
I'm twenty ten, Blanche, okay, Maxwell, I can't remember if
35:04
it was twenty ten, Blanche okay. So in that time period,
35:08
what happens next? As far as your relationship with mister Epstein, Maxwell,
35:13
I don't have one with him, Blanche, you don't have
35:16
one with him, like you don't see him or it's
35:18
just a different relationship. Maxwell. I did see I maybe
35:23
saw him once or twice, maybe even three times. I
35:26
certainly went to his house once for sure, maybe twice.
35:29
But I was not seeing him. The only time I
35:32
was in touch with him was when things happened, like
35:35
things I mean in the press that affected me, or
35:38
the CVR case that was filed and there was like
35:40
rubbish that went out because I needed information because I
35:44
didn't know, I didn't know anything about what was happening,
35:47
and I needed his help a to understand. Well, that
35:50
doesn't sound right. Let me rephrase that. I don't mean
35:52
his help. I meant to have answers so that I
35:55
had an ability to defend myself. That's what I'm talking about.
35:58
I'm not talking about any She's cut off by Blanche.
36:02
So when does that relationship change, So you're working you
36:06
talked about when your physical relationship stopped, and then you're
36:10
still working for him or with the managing his properties
36:13
and being and serving as like a general manager. You
36:16
then start your own relationship with another individual with Ted
36:20
from two thousand and three to two thousand and nine
36:22
or ten, At what point in that whole period is
36:25
there like more of a break where you're no longer
36:28
acting as a general manager? Maxwell, I wanted to have
36:32
a full break when I started dating Ted, and he
36:35
was clever. I suppose it would be true to say
36:38
that I sort of viewed mister Epstein at that point
36:40
as sort of family, if you will, like someone I
36:43
could rely on, and I should have had more confidence
36:46
in myself. I can see that now, but at the time,
36:49
given everything that had happened in my life, I thought
36:52
it would and I saw how he was with other
36:55
people like Eva, who seemed to be very comfortable with him,
36:58
and I thought this would be He always said I
37:01
was like family, so he worked hard to make maintain
37:04
a relationship with me. He was generous with me. He
37:08
let me use the plane, for instance, which was very generous.
37:11
He would check in with mom. He did things that
37:14
were meaningful to me in that time, and then it
37:17
may still not have worked. But his mother, Paula, had
37:21
been in a very serious car crash. She had become
37:24
sort of like a surrogate mother for me, sort of
37:27
because my mom wasn't there, so I could look out
37:30
for her the way I would have looked out for
37:32
my own mom. So I became very close to his mother.
37:36
And she had been in a car crash, and in
37:38
two thousand and four, I believe it may have been
37:40
two thousand and five, I don't recall exactly. She took
37:43
her health took a serious decline, and Epstein called me
37:46
and asked me if I could look after her. And
37:48
by looking after her, that meant organizing her doctors, making
37:52
sure she had new clothes, making sure her house was clean.
37:56
Marcus Maxwell's lawyer interjects, where where was she Maxwell? She
38:02
lived in a retirement establishment outside of Palm Beach, outside
38:06
West Palm Beach. I was going to say something like
38:09
the Golden Girls, but it's not called that. I just
38:11
don't remember what it's called. But it was an old age,
38:14
it was a retirement home, if you will, Marcus Todd,
38:17
I don't know. We've been going for maybe about an hour. Now.
38:20
Do you think this is a good time to Blanche? Yeah, yeah,
38:24
so we'll take him in a break. Nice to see
38:26
that David Marcus is running the show. What a clown,
38:28
this David Marcus dude is anyway, Spencer Horn, all right,
38:33
so we're going to take a break. The time is
38:35
ten fifty six. Break at ten fifty six until eleven
38:40
oh seven am. Spencer Horn, We're continuing the proffer interview
38:44
of Miss Maxwell. The time is eleven oh seven am
38:47
on Thursday, July twenty fourth, Blanche. Al right, so just
38:52
picking up where we stopped, you have basically a break,
38:55
well not a break, that's the wrong word, but your
38:58
relationship with Miss mack professional and other changes in two
39:02
thousand and three, two thousand and four Maxwell. Yeah, I
39:06
mean over the time that I will stay with Ted.
39:09
The more time I spent with Ted, the more distance
39:12
I have with him. And when the arrest, well, let's
39:15
go back when whatever happened in two thousand and five,
39:19
and he became arrested in two thousand and six, Blanche,
39:22
So when he was charged and arrested in what we'll
39:25
call the Florida investigations. That's what you're talking about. Maxwell,
39:29
I am Blanche, Okay, go ahead, Maxwell, So I was
39:34
not well, Blanche cuts her off. Well where you're part
39:37
of that investigation? Maxwell? Absolutely not, Blanche. Did law enforcement
39:42
ever talk to you as part of that, Maxwell no Blanche?
39:47
Did you like the Feds never talked to you, Maxwell
39:50
no Blanche, The FBI never talked to you, Maxwell no Blanche?
39:55
Do you know to that she's he's cut off by Maxwell.
39:58
I never even received a phone call, Blanche? Did you
40:01
didn't you get subpoenas? Maxwell no Blanche? Did the state
40:06
law enforcement ever reach out to you? Maxwell no blanche,
40:10
as far as you know, did the government, either state
40:12
or federal, subpoena your bank records or subpoena anything from
40:16
your financial life during that time? During that time? Maxwell, No,
40:21
not as far as I'm aware now. If they did,
40:24
I didn't know about it, and I have no idea
40:26
about that, to be honest, But I'm not aware of it,
40:29
and I would say no. But maybe you guys do
40:31
things that I don't know. Blanche, So how did you
40:35
learn of that case when mister Epstein was arrested or
40:38
did you know that something was happening before then. Maxwell.
40:42
The first thing I knew was when he told me
40:45
he was deciding to redecorate his house in Palm Beach.
40:48
It didn't surprise me. It was like a rolling situation, Blanche.
40:53
But by that time, are you doing like he tells
40:56
you because he wants your help or your relationship changed?
40:59
By this time, I'm where you were no longer kind
41:02
of acting as his general manager. Maxwell. No, I was
41:06
still around, Blanche, Okay, Maxwell, I wasn't gone. I was
41:10
with Ted, I was traveling. I wasn't daily. If you
41:13
would ask me where he was at any given time,
41:16
I'm not sure I would have known then. I mean
41:18
it was I felt like I suppose the relationship moved
41:21
into sort of like the long term friendly family, you know,
41:25
like she's cut off again by Blanche like I felt
41:29
he had with Eva. If I'm honest, Blanche. Yeah, Okay.
41:33
So he says to you he's going to redecorate the
41:36
Palm Beach house. Maxwell. He asked me specifically which decorator
41:40
he thinks he should use, because I had a lot
41:43
of contacts with decorators, and he was not very good
41:46
with people. He was useless at maintaining relationships with people
41:49
who work for him. I'm not so anyways, I recommended
41:53
I think I recommended. I can't be one hundred percent
41:55
sure because it's been a long time, but I think
41:58
I recommended Mark at the time. Blanche Who, Glenn, Maxwell,
42:04
Mark Zeff, Blanche Okay, Maxwell, I believe. I don't know why.
42:09
I don't remember. That's all lost to time. But anyway,
42:12
at some point, I think his mother had died. Now
42:15
I can't remember the timing of all that either, Blanche Okay, Maxwell.
42:20
But I ended up in Palm Beach and he asked
42:22
me to come and look at the watches or whatever
42:25
he was doing, because they had laid it all over
42:28
the house and various things, and I think he'd ask
42:31
for my opinion. That's my memory of this. It may
42:35
also be that Ted and I were going to Palm
42:37
Beach because Ted had a golf match or something. There
42:40
was a reason I was in pom Beach. It wasn't solely.
42:43
Maybe that's not true either. I don't know so to
42:46
that she's cut off by Blanche Okay, then Maxwell, you know,
42:50
sometimes I went to pom Beach because Ted was there.
42:54
I don't know if that's part of that time, Blanche, okay,
42:57
go ahead, Maxwell or Ted went and left. I don't
43:00
know something anyway, I was there. No, that's not how
43:04
that went either. No, anyway, at some point in that time,
43:07
I was all this swatches. At some point in two
43:10
thousand and five, I think that was. And then I
43:13
believe or I don't remember. I think I got a
43:15
phone call. Actually I wasn't in Palm Beach. I think
43:19
I got a phone call that there was police at
43:21
his house or something, Blanche. And would you have gotten
43:25
a phone call from him, or do you think that
43:27
you were just told by somebody that knew that it
43:29
had happened, or don't you remember? Maxwell? Definitely not him,
43:34
Blanche Okay, Maxwell, I think it would have been the houseman, Blanche.
43:39
So when that happens, whenever it was, that's kind of
43:42
the first time you know about mister Epstein being investigated
43:45
for Maxwell cuts him off and even know I didn't
43:47
even understand Blanche Okay, Maxwell, I didn't have a context
43:52
for that. Blanche Okay. Maxwell, it was like I didn't know,
43:56
I didn't know Blanche okay. So after Maxwell cuts them
44:00
off again, I'm not sure even what I thought. I
44:03
was like, that's weird, Blanche. So after after you find
44:07
out about it, what happens with your relationship with them?
44:11
All Right, we're gonna wrap up right here, and in
44:13
the next episode dealing with the topic, we're gonna pick
44:15
up where we left off. All of the information that
44:18
goes with this episode can be found in the description box.