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We Can Write For God Without Destroying Each Other · Voices for Voices®

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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: The first episode or even at this from the beginning as well.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And we would appreciate it if you like, subscribe, follow, show things as well as the Pokemon, the Voices for Voices, podcast to 25 year content.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So now, after we get the housekeeping another way, I want to welcome back to uh the show, author and creator David Solomon.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Uh thanks for joining us on this episode, David.
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  SPEAKER_01: Thank you for having me, Justin.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um it has been a uh it has been a day.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I am here to clarify some things.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: So Realmakers, we are in a lawsuit against.
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  SPEAKER_01: We've chosen to, you know, try to settle this and um try to do the right thing.
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  SPEAKER_01: And realmakers posted publicly, uh, and also uh called my wife a whore and uh some other hateful things towards my children, and I don't take it too lightly.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I uh I learned of this in case everybody learning from Realm.
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  SPEAKER_01: If you're not aware, I am one of the oldest members of the Christian writing world that was a kid, so I know everybody tied to Realm Makers because my mom did.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, and I still have friends.
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  SPEAKER_01: Listen, put my story aside for a second, guys.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, Realm Makers is to support Christian writers, and this is not doing that.
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  SPEAKER_01: We're supposed to set an example and not tear others down, and all we're doing is tearing others down.
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  SPEAKER_01: For those who don't know, Realm Makers is a Christian fantasy organization conference that claims to support Christian fantasy writers.
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  SPEAKER_01: I made an allegation to its leader, Scott Minor, that I was concerned because of author Brian Allen Davis.
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  SPEAKER_01: And because I made that, this has caused a lawsuit.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I paid a heavy price for 14 years.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um it's crazy, I still have the knife mark when I got away.
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  SPEAKER_01: I got the medical documentation.
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  SPEAKER_01: I have everything to prove what happened to me.
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  SPEAKER_01: I think what's so is watching this happen, and I'm a victim, and there are other victims on Realm who have yet to come forward because they are terrified because I'm getting victimized, and now my wife is getting brought in.
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  SPEAKER_01: You know, my wife has cancer.
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  SPEAKER_01: We are just trying to raise our children.
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  SPEAKER_01: Lift others up in a Christian organization.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm not out here boycotting you.
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  SPEAKER_01: I said my peace and I left it alone.
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  SPEAKER_01: You guys have chosen so much hate, and you guys have forgotten who you are.
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  SPEAKER_01: Bethany Baldwin, I'm calling you out.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna call out every last one of you, Scott Appleton, Wayne Thomas Batson.
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  SPEAKER_01: Where do you come from?
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  SPEAKER_01: Come with me, then why have you not come to me?
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  SPEAKER_01: Hmm?
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  SPEAKER_01: Talking behind my back?
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  SPEAKER_01: Do you not think that your circle is people that I know?
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  SPEAKER_01: I wrote since I was six years old as a Christian author, and before that, my mom did.
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  SPEAKER_01: I would love to know why I was a whack job back then and had another name, possibly because when I was trafficked, my name was changed.
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  SPEAKER_01: That could have something to do with it.
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  SPEAKER_01: And the stories that were crazy about the car accidents and me being dead.
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  SPEAKER_01: I would love for someone to produce those.
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  SPEAKER_01: I do know that someone impersonated me in Holy Worlds, and I have that evidence now.
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  SPEAKER_01: And their name is Cody Wallace Bast, who is the very person that I was, they thought it was me, and they took me.
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  SPEAKER_01: The very reason I went missing.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I want to clear that up for everybody at realm that are listening.
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  SPEAKER_01: And for Stephen Burnett, shame on you.
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  SPEAKER_01: Come on, put put the hate aside.
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  SPEAKER_01: My son is the youngest author in the United States right now.
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  SPEAKER_01: He wrote on spiritual warfare, and all you can do is take Becky and Scott's side and not even give clarity to what's going on.
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  SPEAKER_01: Shame on you.
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  SPEAKER_01: But you know what?
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm not here to boycott.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm not here to boycott any one of you.
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  SPEAKER_01: Because that's why we're here.
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  SPEAKER_01: You know, I cried all night, I cried all day.
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  SPEAKER_01: I I can't eat.
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  SPEAKER_01: I've been throwing up.
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  SPEAKER_01: Christian fantasy is all I know, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: It's all I know.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's what has raised me, that's what has made me who I am.
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  SPEAKER_01: I ran my faith when my mom died, and I came back through it joining realm.
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  SPEAKER_01: That is so heartbreaking.
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  SPEAKER_01: Shame on you.
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  SPEAKER_01: The words that you use, I come on.
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  SPEAKER_01: I would love for you to sue me for what I said.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Say that again, I think you cut out when you said the words like I'm not here.
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  SPEAKER_01: I I'm not here for a war.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm just not here for a war.
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  SPEAKER_01: And we're supposed to lift each other up.
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  SPEAKER_01: The leader of realm makers.
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  SPEAKER_01: Boy, we really are showing a great example, realm makers.
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  SPEAKER_01: We're showing a great example of how to be different than the secular world, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: That's what we're doing.
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  SPEAKER_01: We're showing that.
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  SPEAKER_01: So let's bully people even more so they don't come to Christ through our writing, right?
• 8:51
  SPEAKER_01: That's great.
• 8:52
  SPEAKER_01: That's great and wonderful.
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  SPEAKER_01: You know, I could name countless people, but right now, I just want this to stop.
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  SPEAKER_01: If you have a problem with me, unlike what Scott and Becky say, don't contact.
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  SPEAKER_01: This has already tarnished my family, my wife, my son, my baby.
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  SPEAKER_01: You know, talk to me.
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  SPEAKER_01: If you think I'm a liar, I'm tired of it.
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  SPEAKER_01: Talk to me.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna make it very clear.
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  SPEAKER_01: This has not pushed me away from faith, although today I was thinking of just uh giving up.
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  SPEAKER_01: Think about that.
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  SPEAKER_01: Giving up.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's what you brought me to, and you're bringing other kids to do the same.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna continue to push my ministry and minister like my son is to people about God.
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  SPEAKER_01: I wish real makers well.
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  SPEAKER_01: I don't think they can say the same.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna close my official statement with one thing.
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  SPEAKER_01: The truth will set you free.
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  SPEAKER_01: Search me, O God, and know my heart.
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  SPEAKER_01: Try me and know my thoughts, and see if there be any wicked way in me.
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  SPEAKER_01: Lead me in the way of everlasting.
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  SPEAKER_01: Voices to voices publishing is built on clarity and transparent messages.
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  SPEAKER_01: That means no hidden messages.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I'm looking at you, Brian Davis, with your starlighter and your books that are children being bred by dragons.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's not normal.
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  SPEAKER_01: Who have we become?
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  SPEAKER_01: So, because you don't like someone, you'll give money and you call yourself the Christian writing community.
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  SPEAKER_01: You guys represent the world.
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  SPEAKER_01: You guys are the Hollywood of the faith.
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  SPEAKER_01: We are the only survivors of C.S.
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  SPEAKER_01: Lewis's legacy.
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  SPEAKER_01: Think about that.
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  SPEAKER_01: What was Holy Worlds?
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  SPEAKER_01: Holy Worlds was a place where we could come together as believers and write and have a safe community.
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  SPEAKER_01: What is raw makers?
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  SPEAKER_01: It's supposed to be the same thing, not a victimizing victim plagiarizing game.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I guess I'm a criminal for saying that.
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  SPEAKER_01: You've broken my heart, you've broken my sons.
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  SPEAKER_01: You've even made someone almost walk away from their faith today that I know.
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  SPEAKER_01: I I have no words.
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  SPEAKER_01: I am gonna continue to push out content.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna minister to people, and I am not going to say a bad thing about you.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I am going to show the example of how to be the better person.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I appreciate you.
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  SPEAKER_01: You guys, you you you show the example.
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  SPEAKER_01: Just as we've been talking, I got a harassment call.
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  SPEAKER_01: This is gonna be my day.
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  SPEAKER_01: Thank you for wrecking it.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna have to take this call in a minute.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, where did you guys go?
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  SPEAKER_01: You guys call yourself Christians.
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  SPEAKER_01: We're acting like it.
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  SPEAKER_01: Put personal vendetta aside for a minute.
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  SPEAKER_01: If it's not me, then it's gonna be someone else with a different name.
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  SPEAKER_01: How many more victims do you have to turn away?
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  SPEAKER_01: And you wonder why Christian fantasy is not mainstream, you're making it that way.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I'm not having it.
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  SPEAKER_01: My mom died in my arms.
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  SPEAKER_01: She had a vision, and I'm gonna return that vision to reboot the genre and to restore faith to every nation and every country.
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  SPEAKER_01: You can stand in my way, then you're standing in God's.
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  SPEAKER_01: So don't come at me with a vendetta because you're coming against God now.
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  SPEAKER_01: And if you hurt my family, well, I guess you answer to God too.
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  SPEAKER_01: My life is a ministry, and that's it.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's all I know.
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  SPEAKER_01: My heart breaks, my heart is broken.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I have thought twice about ever writing again.
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  SPEAKER_01: But it's not what God wants, is it?
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  SPEAKER_01: Whenever I want to give up, God opens a door.
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  SPEAKER_01: Please don't forget where you came from.
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  SPEAKER_01: Scott and Rebecca Minor, I know you're gonna hear this, so hear me.
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  SPEAKER_01: So much anger and so much hate.
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  SPEAKER_01: Scott, you're a leader.
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  SPEAKER_01: Put away, Vendetta and look at the reports.
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  SPEAKER_01: You've used my family that you're using so much.
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  SPEAKER_01: Who are you?
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  SPEAKER_01: Who do you represent?
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  SPEAKER_01: Becky Rebecca.
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  SPEAKER_01: You knew my mom.
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  SPEAKER_01: I knew you.
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  SPEAKER_01: You were a kind soul.
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  SPEAKER_01: I have communications with you with my mom.
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  SPEAKER_01: Come on.
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  SPEAKER_01: You're gonna destroy the only avenue to bring people to church by what you're doing.
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  SPEAKER_01: Christian fantasy is to bring people to God.
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  SPEAKER_01: And we're doing the opposite.
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  SPEAKER_01: And if you don't believe me, then fine.
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  SPEAKER_01: I've lived a life that has not been easy.
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  SPEAKER_01: Today I didn't want to wake up.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm not in a good place, Scott.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm in prayer, and I will pray for my enemies, and that means you This is a spiritual warfare.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's the one thing you got right.
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  SPEAKER_01: You just got the wrong thing wrong.
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  SPEAKER_01: Don't you realize we're on the same side?
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  SPEAKER_01: If you paused for a second and looked at what was given, we are on the same side.
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  SPEAKER_01: We are just trying to stop more victims from happening.
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  SPEAKER_01: I not only didn't have a normal church family, I had a writing church family, all of you on Holy Worlds and Christian writers groups, realm makers.
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  SPEAKER_01: You were my family.
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  SPEAKER_01: All of the car accidents that you claim didn't happen, well they did.
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  SPEAKER_01: And no one no one in their right mind should think they did, but they did.
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  SPEAKER_01: You know, I have concussions to this day where I can't look at certain paper because of it.
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  SPEAKER_01: I never meant to hurt anyone or harm anyone.
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  SPEAKER_01: To Wayne Thomas Batson.
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  SPEAKER_01: Get out of this man.
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  SPEAKER_01: Just get out of it.
• 19:55
  SPEAKER_01: You're you're not even in it.
• 19:59
  SPEAKER_01: You know?
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  SPEAKER_01: You knew Brian, you weren't involved in taking me.
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  SPEAKER_01: Why are you in this?
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  SPEAKER_01: Just don't.
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  SPEAKER_01: Right?
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  SPEAKER_01: You got a good thing going, you're writing books.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like, why are you in this?
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  SPEAKER_01: If you don't know Brian, if you weren't there, why are you in this?
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  SPEAKER_01: This needs to be the people that took me, not people that feel sorry for the people that took me.
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  SPEAKER_01: And then it needs to be addressed why I was taken.
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  SPEAKER_01: And then a little girl's name needs to be heard named Megan Morris, who everybody laughs at.
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  SPEAKER_01: For everyone.
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  SPEAKER_01: I hope we can unite.
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  SPEAKER_01: Thank you.
• 20:58
  SPEAKER_01: Justin, go ahead.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Yeah, thanks for sharing.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Um not easy time, not easy uh words to to share.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I think the wisdom is that it's a new beginning, and we are rebooting Christian fantasy, cleaning it up, and there is an alternative to what has been offered.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Uh power.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And so the consumer, the mom, the daughter, the son, the dad, the uncle, the grandma, the grandpa, in him they're gonna have other.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Options.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Um, and that's just called competition in in a free market.
• 22:08
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So it's gonna be the consumer is gonna make the call instead of well, we only have one option, so uh we're gonna go here because we have the one option.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So it's a new beginning, and you can either be for us or you can be against us, and if you're on the sidelines, uh I guess that's that's where where you'll be.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: If you if you want to pick a side, then um they're they're you're just gonna be where you're where you're at.
• 22:51
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Um and that's not say anything negative, just if people have two options, they usually pick one or the other.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Um so people, consumers, fellow creators, people all across the world are gonna have an op and they they already are starting to have alternatives to what is available, and I think that that's what has gotten lost with some individuals, and they don't like that.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: They don't like somebody, you know, new not brand new, but a new person on the block coming around and it's like, wait a minute, no, this is this is ours.
• 23:43
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: This is ours.
• 23:44
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Well, nothing's given.
• 23:46
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: You have to earn it, and that's what we're doing.
• 23:52
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: We're earning the consumers' respect, we're earning the every follow, every like, every reshare, repost.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Everybody who watches or listens to the to the show, the podcast, I mean, who would have thought 547 episodes later, here we are?
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: It's because people like you are watching and listening.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And I I guess I would just have to say that the only good that's really coming out of this really dark darkness is what people would call analytics, and so people are watching, people are listening.
• 24:44
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Um they're gonna continue to watch, they're gonna continue to listen.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, because we are again, we're an alternative, and and don't forget where you come from, all of you on realm.
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  SPEAKER_01: Don't forget why we do this.
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  SPEAKER_01: We do this to show God through our work.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: We don't do this because of personal glory or money, no, or mansions, or cars, or yachts, or planes.
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  SPEAKER_01: So don't forget where we come from.
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  SPEAKER_01: I uh my heart breaks, and I I hope that we can repair this.
• 25:32
  SPEAKER_01: This is a lot of damage, and my wife is beside herself.
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  SPEAKER_01: I I'm not I'm not speechless the night that I came back from Canada.
• 25:48
  SPEAKER_01: I was speechless when my mom died.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: It'll be the next Well, you can find this episode as well as a little more and then we'll Yeah We'll give it a go.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um I'm gonna pray if that's okay and then we'll Sure We'll let God lead from there.
• 26:23
  SPEAKER_01: Um if that's okay, Justin.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Uh yeah, go ahead.
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  SPEAKER_01: All right.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um Father God, we are in a dark moment, and you chose us to tell your story, and you gave us the gift to tell your blessing to the world, and you anointed us to be the messengers of your message.
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  SPEAKER_01: You called us to unite, no matter what creed or color or differences or denominations.
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  SPEAKER_01: You called us to unite and show who you are through our writing because we are given spiritual gifts, and we make those that don't know you aware of who you are and how wonderful you are.
• 27:32
  SPEAKER_01: At this time, your people are divided and not united, and I call for a protection around my enemies, I call for protection around us, and I call for a spiritual hedge of protection around all the hate and bigatory that is going on.
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  SPEAKER_01: The double is at work tearing your not just on my behalf, past on all the other writers, they go to realm just because they want to write and they serve you.
• 28:23
  SPEAKER_01: Realm is a safe place for those that know you in Hollywood or those that want to write and their church doesn't support so they go to realm because they have this creativity, it's called your Holy Spirit.
• 28:39
  SPEAKER_01: I pray I had your protection around those people.
• 28:43
  SPEAKER_01: I pray I had your protection around Wayne Thomas Batson, who has chosen to misrepresent this entire case.
• 28:54
  SPEAKER_01: I pray I had your protection around Sophia Hansen and all of the other individuals, including Scott and Rebecca Minor.
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  SPEAKER_01: This is not a secular writing dispute.
• 29:09
  SPEAKER_01: This is a spiritual dispute that represents your kingdom, and that is a problem.
• 29:18
  SPEAKER_01: I pray for forgiveness in my heart, as I don't act in hate or anger, but in justice and in hope.
• 29:28
  SPEAKER_01: I pray that you would lift anyone's spirits up that hate me and show your love, not mine, but your love.
• 29:39
  SPEAKER_01: For those that say that I write bad, I pray that you show them why I write, because it is you that gifted me at six years old to write 200 pages a day.
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  SPEAKER_01: And that is a fact.
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  SPEAKER_01: If I write secular, I can't do it because it is not God's breath on that paper.
• 30:06
  SPEAKER_01: I pray that you would anoint my writing now more than ever to unite your people.
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  SPEAKER_01: I pray that you would give my family strength in this time.
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  SPEAKER_01: I pray for Justin and his family and a hajja protection and mercy around them.
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  SPEAKER_01: I pray for Brian Davis in all of this.
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  SPEAKER_01: I pray all the hate that people would remember who they are and that they were made by you.
• 30:42
  SPEAKER_01: Realmakers is a privilege.
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  SPEAKER_01: Christian writing is a privilege, and I pray that people know that if you go to Africa right now, you could get killed for writing one of your books.
• 30:57
  SPEAKER_01: I pray that we would remember how chosen and privileged we are in this country to write for you.
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  SPEAKER_01: Because people die to write in your name.
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  SPEAKER_01: Watch out for all who write for you.
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  SPEAKER_01: Not only realm makers, because this affects all Christian writers as a whole.
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  SPEAKER_01: And finally, I pray for all of the lies to come out.
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  SPEAKER_01: And despite what Rebecca and Scott want, no one talking to me, I pray that someone does so that I can show truth.
• 31:44
  SPEAKER_01: I pray you would give the courage and strength to me and my family as we face these difficult challenges from cancer to this to that.
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  SPEAKER_01: In your name, Amen.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Thank you.
• 32:07
  SPEAKER_01: You're welcome.
• 32:08
  SPEAKER_01: I have to go.
• 32:09
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't have a uh I have a harassing phone call.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Okay.