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Discovering Bitcoin with Clapton · Discovering Bitcoin

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  There's a lot of noise around Bitcoin prices, predictions,
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  opinions. Discovery usually happens in the
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  entirely different lens. It doesn't just give you
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  confidence, but it gives you. Hope.
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  I think like. We're squandering our energy,
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  our life force so. Bitcoin is changing that for me.
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  Bitcoin, it's like it's healing energy.
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  It gives you a kind of. Of a Zen.
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  Feeling right, deep and deep and deep, and the immortal words of
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  the doors, The time to hesitate us through discovering.
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  Clapton, What's going on, man? Hey, DJ.
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  Hey, nice to talk with you. Yeah, man, it's nice to talk
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  with you. I I, I actually like, I
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  genuinely enjoy the played chats.
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  The chats, particularly those that I found are Nosta.
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  It's like a whole other level of authenticity.
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  And I know that might sound sort of preening, maybe boasting or
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  something like it's like, oh, if you're not a Nosta, you're not
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  cool. But that's kind of true.
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  To be honest, if you're still hanging around Bitcoin Twitter,
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  which you know, I do tend to do from time to time, but it's
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  pretty, it's pretty awful. It's not like it was.
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  And Nosta's kind of just a whole lot more uplifting, basically.
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  Yeah, yeah. I feel that there's kind of this
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  kind of filter in Noster, so we can filter, filter out all
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  those, I don't know, noises or spans, things like that.
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  Yeah, I agree. I agree.
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  Filter. It's it is like a natural
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  filter. If you can't be bothered to
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  literally log into a Noster client and get given Nansac and
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  look after it, you know, have fun yeah, staying in the
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  mainstream or whatever. I don't know what that mean.
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  Would. Yeah, you know.
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  Yeah, so, so I, I was really happy when I yeah, I got a reply
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  from you because, you know, I listen to your podcast and you
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  say, yeah, if you want to share, just to hit me on the on noise
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  on Noster. And so you want to be in the pod
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  and I just give it a try. At first.
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  I, I actually, I, I hesitate for a month or two, you know, after
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  I hear that message, but I was like, that's kind of the new
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  year resolution, you know, after new year I was like, no, I have
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  to reach out. I I, yeah, I want to share.
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  I want to yes, to see share my story, share my experience even
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  though I don't run anything, you know, but I, I was trying run to
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  run a Bitcoin podcast, but then then I then I stopped.
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  But but I have some other ideas. So yeah, I just want to share,
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  you know, to do something. I'm glad you heeded the message,
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  man, because you know, it's genuine.
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  Obviously you're here and you know, Boomer was also another
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  that reached out and there's been a couple of others in the
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  pipeline. But like, this is the thing, as
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  I said, I think on that Rhombus read was, you know, the chats
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  with the plebs, the chats with the people that aren't on the,
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  you know, the D list Bitcoin celebrity.
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  And that's not to be disparaging, but I mean, there's
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  just a little bit more. I don't know, maybe there's just
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  there's a little less to lose or something all that then that
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  haven't like constructed some, you know, 250,000 follower Rep
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  that they have to kind of abide by or whatever they get.
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  I don't know, I feel like that does tend to exist in, in, in
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  Bitcoin, just like in any space, you know, And that's fine.
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  It's perfectly natural. And I've had plenty of awesome
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  chats with, you know, people that that are kind of
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  influencers, so to speak. But yeah, anyway, dude, you're
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  here. Let's ask the question.
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  How did you discover Bitcoin? Yeah, it is.
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  It is. I kind of want to start from the
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  beginning, if that's OK, like a like quite long story, of
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  course. And yeah, it is.
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  It's kind of starting from, it's not really directly start to big
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  point, but I want to, I have some, you know, need a mental
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  stress, mental anxiety, you know, from daily life.
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  It's not like I have that the how to say situation.
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  It's just normal working life. But I was working in a small
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  startup company and it was like very cool and it is like very
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  innovative. So I was like a material
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  engineer. So it was all good.
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  But I have this stress about the work because it's a small
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  company and it doesn't give us good salary or good
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  arrangements. And then I was asking help from
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  a coach and then he introduced me to these three principles.
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  I don't know, have you ever heard but these three principles
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  talking about your mental, how to say situation, like
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  everything we experience is from these three principles, which is
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  mind, thoughts and consciousness.
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  So when I talk with him about ah, I'm feel so bad because of
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  my job, because of my low salary, because of this, but is
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  it? No, it's actually.
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  I mean, those things can still be true, but what you feel is
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  from your mind, thoughts, consciousness.
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  Yes. So on the other hand, you have
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  to be kind of responsible also for those things like you know,
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  it, it is coming from you how to say, yeah, you know, your, your
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  inner experience of, of all these.
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  Yeah. It's like how you're receiving
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  the information and then passing it through your psychological
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  filters. And how exactly.
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  And if those psychological filters are a little dirty,
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  maybe there's a little bit of a few bugs on the windshield,
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  Yeah. You know, you're probably not
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  going to see as clearly. And like, it's really hard to
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  cultivate a gratitude like at it that a grateful attitude when,
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  Yeah. Like, you don't, you don't have
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  that. You can't see clearly, you know?
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  Yeah. No.
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  So. Yeah.
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  And you can you can see clearly and also like what you feel is
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  it's like, you know, it's like a kind of a reflection, you know,
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  of the outside world. But here what your experience is
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  actually the yeah, your your inner mind and thoughts.
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  Because it's actually very funny.
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  After a few years after I talked with that coach, then I start
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  applying other job and then I switch to another job.
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  Now I have now and you know, I have other sets of problems now,
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  you know, it's I have a better salary, but you know, there are
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  other kind of problems. And then I start talking with
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  this coach again. So and and then I revisit all
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  this concept. So it's, you know, it's a it's a
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  never ending journey, kind of like the the Bitcoin journey
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  journey. I, I would come to later how I
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  discovered it, but I feel it's really relevant in some way
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  because yeah, later on I, I, I start to get more into this
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  three principal journey. So I listen to a lot of podcasts
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  about it. And then there is one guy called
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  Jamie Smart and his podcast I listen to about these things, 3
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  principles. And in one his episodes, the,
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  the guest is Jeff Booth. So I have never heard anything
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  about Bitcoin before and never into this crypto thing.
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  I, I, you know, if someone mentioned I thought I just, it's
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  a scam or, you know, it's this kind of thing because I have 0
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  knowledge about it. But then I hear this pockets and
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  Jack Booth is talking and almost like 90% or 80% of the pockets
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  they're talking about, you know, coaching and the self
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  development. And of course, I both mention a
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  little bit about technology and things like that.
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  And I was always intrigued about technology because of my work.
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  And also I'm thinking, you know, if if we compare ourself with
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  with people 100 or 200 years ago and we are living now like a
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  team back then, right? We have a hot water, we have
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  electricity, we have, I don't know, 65 inch TV I got 2200
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  years ago. It's who can have that?
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  Like you can have unlimited movies.
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  You probably spend one hour deciding which movie to watch
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  it. Oh.
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  Man, I'm old enough to remember. I used to.
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  There's a kid up the street, I think he was, I don't mean a
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  cousin, actually, I think about it.
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  But we go to his house and he had like one of those rear
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  projection TV's. I don't know if you recall one
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  of those, but they were like these massive TV's, like they're
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  as big as like a, you know, a big TV nowadays, but.
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  Like like a projector or yeah. They took like a, they took like
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  a massive space in the lounge room and they were like they had
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  this sort of rear like cathode ray tube type device behind it
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  sort of projecting. I'm pretty sure that's what it
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  was. Anyway, these things were
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  massive, man. And like, I remember you'd walk
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  into this house and like, damn, this guy's got money, you know?
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  Like this is, Yeah, this is pretty good.
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  Yeah, yeah. And you see the TV back then it
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  is like like a cubic, right? Like a so thick and now it is
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  the so thick. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Yeah. Now they're just even thin.
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  But you're right, like I mean we are surrounded by material
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  possessions and we do not want for really anything.
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  Yeah, when it comes down to it in terms of material things.
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  Because if you think about all the days that people think, what
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  if I got all this money, all this material thing, I will be
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  happy. But actually, yeah, nowadays, if
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  you compare, we are living much better than the people, you
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  know, 100 years ago. But we really feel happy or
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  content, you know, every day or. No, Well, not.
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  Not at all. Or.
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  Or it's even worse because now we are surrounded by all the,
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  you know, influencer and showing off their trip to anywhere, you
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  know, compare ourselves to them. Yeah.
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  So I was, yeah. There's a famous quote by Jim
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  Carrey. It's really cool.
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  And he says, I think everybody, what is it?
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  Basically, everyone should get rich and famous and then like do
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  all the things that they've ever dreamed of so that they can see
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  that it's it's not the answer. You know, being rich and famous
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  is not the. Answer.
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  Yeah, yeah. Yeah.
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  And with nowadays, with AI technology, maybe everyone can
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  be, you know, rich and famous in in, in one source of weight,
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  right? You can be ACEO in your own
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  company. You only have to go on Twitter
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  to look at the AI chat that's you think everyone on there has
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  all got their code, what's working and it's like exactly
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  that. It's.
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  Like fucking hell. Yeah, exactly.
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  Yeah. But I mean in the future maybe
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  you everyone should. I think nowadays really you have
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  to think what you really like to do or you know so so that in The
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  Who knows what happened, you know this AI development speed
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  and yeah, anyway, in that pockets.
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  So in the end, Jabu mentioned I think slightly about this
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  Bitcoin and showing that this is the because this is the real of
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  the indicator you can show in the technology has the impacts
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  on society, which is deflation because society because before
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  that I have never heard of deflation.
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  Like I don't even know there's such a thing exist.
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  And it's like what it should be inflation.
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  You know, everything should be just more expensive and I have
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  never crashed that. It's like, yeah, everything
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  should be more expensive and why?
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  I don't know. And yeah, so after that I, I
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  started discovering Bitcoin and I started reading Jeff Booth's
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  book The Price of Tomorrow and just be amazed about what you
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  mentioned in the book that I read Bitcoin Standard, The
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  Broken Money and just, you know, deep, deep down into the rabbit
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  hole you. Get that?
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  That whole framing, your whole world gets turned upside down.
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  Like you read that Jeff Booth book and he mentions Bitcoin
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  like in a sentence, I think towards the end.
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  But your whole POV on the world is upended basically.
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  And you're like, oh, I never realized like the denominator
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  was completely, you know, cooked.
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  And yeah, so. So you're listening to Jeff
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  Booth, just to clarify here, you kind of accidentally stumbled
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  upon this Bitcoin thing because you're listening to this
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  particular podcast to try and what find specific techniques
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  to, you know, get over some mental humps and.
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  Hurdles, mental health and. Then clarity.
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  Bitcoin is sort of entering accidentally.
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  Yeah, it's showing up. And actually, I want to mention
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  another thing is like one month, one month before I hear them
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  that podcast, I was in Japan, like I was travelling in Japan.
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  And I don't know if you ever travel to Japan or, you know,
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  there are a lot of temples in Japan that you can, you know,
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  you can get some kind of this, you know, lucky charm thing like
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  you, you want health or you want, you know, just wish, wish
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  for something. And I got this thing for wish
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  for like success in, in business or in, you know, in wealth
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  property. And I was like, yeah, I, I just
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  get it for yeah, for, for just traveling there.
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  I get it. But there, I think it's somehow
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  one month later I hear this podcast because I have never,
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  you know, chances to, to, to have the Bitcoin information.
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  So I think somehow, you know, universe or some, something
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  probably working and introduce Bitcoin to me.
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  I think that's very, yeah, it's very cool.
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  Yeah, it kind of bubbles up from your unconscious, I reckon that.
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  I mean, going back to what you're saying before about what
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  your coach was saying, it reminded me of the Cobalion.
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  And the number one, the first principle of those seven is the
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  principle of mentalism. The universe is a mental
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  creation of the all, suggesting reality is ultimately shaped by
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  the mind. And I think about that a lot.
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  Yeah. Yeah, exactly.
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  Because nowadays it's also like, you know, the cancel culture,
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  right? It's like on DJ, it's because
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  you say something, I feel so bad.
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  Oh, we, we feel so bad. So we have to cancel you because
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  you say those things. But no, it's you have to be
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  responsible for your own feelings, your your own things.
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  Not under socialism you don't. If anything, you get a power.
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  Yeah, exactly. You're wrong.
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  Exactly. Being a cock and a loser and a
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  person that has splits. The shit.
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  Yeah. Yeah.
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  But on the flip side, what? What do you gain from those
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  things? Right.
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  OK, now you are. You are officially recognised as
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  a loser. OK.
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  Are you more? Are you happier now?
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  No. Right you are.
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  You're like in this victim depression or something, right?
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  You're like, oh, I, I'm a victim.
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  So I have to leave on the government support.
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  I cannot do anything. But yeah.
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  Are you really happy in that way, or are you really
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  satisfied? I mean, you, you said, yeah,
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  before like you're working in a start up and you've been in tech
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  for a long time and that's a very creative industry.
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  It can also be quite stressful, of course, because you're trying
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  to be strap something maybe like a little bit of capital.
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  So that can stifle your creativity.
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  And I, I noticed like this in, in plenty of businesses, like I
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  used to, to work in around agriculture.
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  And I would notice that the horticulturalists that would be
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  working out in the field amongst the, you know, on the actual
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  farm with the plants and the animals, whatever it is they
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  would like in order to progress in their career, they had to get
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  closer and closer to the office to the point where they're in on
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  the desk and they get further and further away from that thing
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  that inside them in the first place.
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  You know, and then that can crush your creativity.
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  And you know, you can see easily where our victim mindset would
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  arise, particularly in a Fiat system, because it's basically
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  toxic, You know, it's quite literally poison running in the
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  bloodstream, you know, via the money, via the economy.
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  And it's going to have a whole bunch of down regulating effects
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  on people's ability to, to cultivate a creative mindset and
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  attitude. You know, so you, you, you, you
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  hear Jeff Booth, he's talking about Bitcoin.
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  You're like, damn, I need to learn a little bit more about
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  this thing. You read his book.
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  Then you get to the Bitcoin standard at this point, like had
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  you grokked it? Were you like what?
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  Wow, OK. And then down the rabbit hole or
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  were you sort of had that? On yeah, yeah.
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  It's like I was in kind of in the middle of reading all these
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  books because, you know, so much information to take in.
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  But I really get what Jabu saying about deflation and I
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  really agree on it. But I was still very hesitate to
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  like start buying Bitcoin and like start to, you know, really
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  take in because I was like, I don't know if this thing goes to
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  0 tomorrow or something, you know, because I was like a super
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  boring investment guy. I was buying global index.
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  Just just put it there, you know, before people that just
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  doing that and which which is OK, which is better than doing
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  nothing because if you keep it your money in cash, it just
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  going to it's going to 0 eventually.
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  But but so so coming a little bit back there, there I was.
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  So then I was knowing knowing a colleague at work and he is the
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  into this crypto thing and, you know, buying Bitcoin, buying all
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  other shit coin. He he always like to tell talk
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  with me like, you know, Bitcoin is so much higher now.
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  So if you other shit coin, if you just put in, I don't know, a
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  hundred, a $100 or $10, you got 2000 coins, you know, that's
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  great. So just put everything in,
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  little bit in everything. That's what we.
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  Do has some diversity. Exactly, yeah.
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  And you know, you can get 2000 coins, you cannot get 2000
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  Bitcoin now. So, you know, and I was like so.
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  So I still feel very funny about this kind of things because I
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  want to go a little bit back to three principles.
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  Because in in there also there is one big thing is that they
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  talk about you can always coming back to your inner health.
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  So you always have your inner health.
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  We always have that inside us, even though we are like feeling
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  depressed or feeling maybe victimized at some point.
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  But if you decide you want to get back, you know, get back on
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  your feet, you can always come back to your inner health.
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  So I always feel that it's very, yeah, amazing because, you know,
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  it gives everyone a second chance or a third chance that
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  you can, you can because everyone, I, I know that code
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  saying that everyone is just doing the best they can or they
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  think they, they are doing, You know, even though it's the
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  people are starting the world now or printing the, the Fiat,
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  they think they are doing the right thing, or at least for
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  themselves. But it's such a hard, it's such
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  a hard thing for me to admit and be you're absolutely right.
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  Like I was talking talking to my wife the other day and I was
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  like, you know, we're not stressed.
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  We're just doing our best. Yeah, exactly.
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  I think there's a lot of truth to that, but when you apply it
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  to, I mean just come out and say it like fucking pedophiles and
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  baby eaters and warmongers. Like I don't know if they are
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  doing their best, but maybe in some warped fucked up reality
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  they are. And their best was pretty good.
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  Like they got away with it for a long time.
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  Hell, they're still getting away with it, but I don't know like
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  how that works. Trying that.
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  Principle, yeah, I know, I know when it's going to very extreme
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  it's really hard to process that yeah.
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  But but what I can think of another thing is that, you know,
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  sometimes you have to take it. You have to think not personal,
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  like it's some but yeah, you know, whatever they do.
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  Like if someone treat bad to me, it's probably because he has a
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  bad, bad day and he or he he got, you know, affected by other
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  people or something. But if I take that with with me,
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  I suffer myself, right. So it's like, I want to say this
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  because I think a lot of people on Twitter or some on on or even
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  be called maxi, let's say, and they can be very frustrated or
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  angry towards someone, let's say, play crypto game or, or
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  this kind of thing. But I feel quite also very
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  interesting because I was kind of talked into really buying
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  Bitcoin by this person playing crypto game.
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  And then I was like, have courage to, or he introduced me
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  some platform to buy Bitcoin. Like I, I have the first step
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  even though I'm not the playing Crypto now, but he kind of have
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  the first step, you know? Yeah, he helped you on the way.
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  Kind of pushed me. Or, but I mean, the cool thing
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  is, is that you had that cognition enough to maybe speed
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  run through, I don't know, like, did you, did you do what most
• 24:38
  people do? It's not uncommon for people to,
• 24:41
  you know, discover Bitcoin and then, you know, get the unit
• 24:44
  bias feeling and think, oh, I'll diversify My Portfolio and I'll
• 24:49
  buy a little bit of power Ledger and and all this other shit.
• 24:54
  Yeah, I was doing a little bit like that in the beginning.
• 24:57
  I, I mean, many people, but I was buying this Bitcoin Cash
• 25:01
  because I thought that is Bitcoin.
• 25:03
  So it is like super stupid now I think about it.
• 25:06
  But you know, and then I Google it, I search for it.
• 25:09
  The Bitcoin Cash is actually, you know, this forking, forking
• 25:13
  thing happened in the past, right?
• 25:16
  So and then they call themselves Bitcoin Cash after the forking,
• 25:23
  but but that time I have 0 knowledge about this and then I
• 25:27
  discover all this. So I think it's all part of the
• 25:30
  journey and part of the yeah, how do you say the, the, the,
• 25:36
  the knowledge building I have now, you know, then I really
• 25:40
  recognize Bitcoin is the it's not other shit coin.
• 25:43
  What's the differences there? But yeah, but I think my
• 25:50
  colleague, even though he is playing and I'll try to, you
• 25:53
  know, Bitcoin, the orange PO him many, many times, but he's like,
• 25:58
  I can earn money by looking in this chart and, you know, plot
• 26:02
  this line to here and it's not so difficult to earn money and
• 26:07
  it's like, OK, yeah, good luck with that.
• 26:08
  It's. Not so difficult at all.
• 26:11
  It's yeah, it's easy. Just draw some lines.
• 26:14
  And. Speculate a little and I don't
• 26:16
  know. But I was like, I, I, I try my
• 26:20
  best to help you, but yeah, you because it's like, yeah, you do
• 26:25
  your thing, right? It's it's like you have to
• 26:27
  experience failure because I after several months, like
• 26:31
  after, during this bear market for crypto.
• 26:34
  And then he one time he just talked with me like, oh, it
• 26:38
  feels like every time I sell or, or every time I buy and then the
• 26:44
  price start dropping. And every time I sell, you know,
• 26:48
  the price, it's always against what I, what I wish for.
• 26:53
  And I was like, yeah, I tried to, I tried to tell you about
• 26:55
  that. Yeah, well, yeah, before learn
• 26:58
  your lesson, man, come on and. Yeah, yeah, just.
• 27:01
  Stay humble. And yeah, but it's like that in
• 27:05
  in human mind, right? Sometimes you have to experience
• 27:07
  that yourself, pay the tuition and then you, you get it.
• 27:13
  It's like if some random dude from colleague tell you, no
• 27:17
  Bitcoin is the only one or, or something which is against your
• 27:22
  belief. Sometimes you have to, yeah, try
• 27:26
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  actually where you stand? I suppose, you know, it's
• 28:35
  interesting, like with Bitcoin, it tends to have quite a
• 28:39
  clarifying effect on people. So when you sort of sufficiently
• 28:48
  grok this thing started to to come around to it and to
• 28:52
  understand it a little bit, did your mood shift?
• 28:55
  Did your mental, you know, your, your psychology?
• 28:58
  Did it? Did it shift somewhere somehow?
• 29:04
  Yeah, I think so, especially for, you know, for my, my
• 29:11
  material wise or, or my view on money.
• 29:15
  You know, it shifts a lot for me because before I thought, you
• 29:22
  know, it's kind of the inflation effects on Fiat for me.
• 29:25
  It's like, yeah, you either invest if you have some saving
• 29:28
  every month right from salary, you either spend it because you
• 29:33
  know, they are going to everything is going to be more
• 29:36
  expensive next month. So if you want to buy something,
• 29:39
  you'd rather just buy it all kind of shit.
• 29:42
  You don't need all kinds of garbage.
• 29:44
  You you know, you have in the garage, just buy it and then
• 29:50
  right, Otherwise you try to invest in, Oh, I heard some guy
• 29:53
  saying this, this stock is good, that stock is good.
• 29:56
  Try to put it in there and all this stress or over information
• 30:00
  comes to. But after I kind of dedicated
• 30:04
  into Bitcoin or low in the Bitcoin, I just put it in
• 30:07
  Bitcoin and just, you know, it's kind of you, you kind of you
• 30:11
  have this clear up space in your mind.
• 30:16
  You can do something really meaningful in your life, right?
• 30:20
  Because I have two kids, I have a family.
• 30:23
  So before some maybe, you know, I'm kind of this dude watching
• 30:28
  stock while I'm with with kids and or watching what kind of
• 30:33
  things I'm going to buy this month, next month while I'm with
• 30:37
  kids. You know, while you are playing,
• 30:39
  I'm with playing with kids. I'm not really there.
• 30:42
  Without present, yeah. Yeah, you're not present and.
• 30:47
  They can look for a fix like materialism has, like this
• 30:52
  element of, you know, like you. You're unsatisfied, you buy it.
• 30:56
  Exactly. And the thing that you've been
• 30:58
  longing after for such a long time, you finally have now.
• 31:03
  And your mind goes or your ego goes, cool, got that?
• 31:07
  Now what? Like I'm unfulfilled again.
• 31:09
  I have another place. Like, buy me more shit.
• 31:13
  You know the whole retail therapy meme from, you know,
• 31:16
  back in the day. You know, all the movies where
• 31:19
  people would go shopping and they'd feel better and like,
• 31:22
  it's yeah, it's yeah, it's kind of.
• 31:25
  Gross all the all the advertisement right of people's
• 31:29
  smile while they get this get that.
• 31:32
  And nowadays you can if you want to buy something you can search
• 31:37
  1000 videos about people buying this and review it and tell you
• 31:41
  yeah, it's great deal. Buy it and what's what's really
• 31:49
  satisfy you as a person is not lying on on those things, right?
• 31:54
  It's lying really on something else.
• 31:56
  You, you, you have to really clear out your mind space to to
• 32:01
  feel that feel that peace. And it's, it's not like now I
• 32:08
  not, I'm still will. I still can get trapped by, you
• 32:13
  know, life, life with two small kids, stress, anxiety, all kinds
• 32:18
  of these things. But yeah, but it feels like you
• 32:21
  are. I'm more easily to get back, get
• 32:26
  back to the peaceful ways. And seeing that, oh, that is,
• 32:30
  that is my thought. My mind has played tricks on me
• 32:33
  again. You know, it feels like, yeah,
• 32:36
  in three principle we always say that it's not like, oh, you now
• 32:40
  you understand gravity. So you will not be, you will not
• 32:43
  falling because of gravity. You will still fall, right?
• 32:48
  But then you realize it's gravity.
• 32:50
  But it's not like, OK, now I can jump from from, through, through
• 32:53
  or down and then not be affected by it.
• 32:56
  Right, right. You can make more mindful
• 32:59
  decisions when it comes to you. You, you now understand the
• 33:04
  concept of gravity. It doesn't mean you're not going
• 33:07
  to fall. It just means that if you are up
• 33:11
  on a great height or something, you'll be a little bit more
• 33:15
  mindful. But I mean, like when you're
• 33:17
  playing with your kids, you know the they're there.
• 33:21
  And if there's anything that kids teach you is that time is
• 33:25
  like so fleeting, particularly, you know, what they call Kronos
• 33:31
  time, which is that linear time, you know, the days of the week,
• 33:35
  the hours of the day, you know, the, the, the, the birthdays as,
• 33:40
  as you cycle around the sun. And I've been reading a little
• 33:44
  bit about like mythos time where it's a little bit more non
• 33:50
  structured. It's just it's more about
• 33:51
  feeling rhythms and cycles from nature and getting in touch with
• 33:56
  those. And and sometimes you can
• 33:58
  incorporate mythos time into your day where you know, OK,
• 34:02
  I've got to get from here to there and I've got to think
• 34:04
  about this and do that. But it's almost like it's almost
• 34:07
  Taoist or you just, all right, fuck it, just I'm gonna ease
• 34:11
  into this flow and I'll, I'll woo Wade this whole day, you
• 34:15
  know, action through non action. And, and, and when you can do
• 34:21
  that with the kids, like the you're, you're still going to
• 34:25
  miss. Like it's so fleeting, like how
• 34:29
  they just grow up, man. And, and you just think, gosh,
• 34:33
  like you're, you're riding bikes now without training wheels or
• 34:37
  you know, your, your your vocabulary.
• 34:40
  You've got this new word or what?
• 34:41
  Whatever it is. Exactly.
• 34:43
  That's why I kind of hate Apple phones because they pop up like
• 34:47
  a like if and I've never had. The history.
• 34:51
  But yeah, like they'll pop up like this thing on this day, you
• 34:53
  know, 3. Four years ago.
• 34:54
  And you're like, yeah, I know it's just you mix your shit,
• 34:57
  it's not good. But you know, with with, with,
• 35:01
  with having that anchor and that space through I guess, you know,
• 35:06
  leveraging, you know what Bitcoin gives you, you can, you
• 35:10
  can come back to equanimity. You can come back to that sort
• 35:13
  of even keel, that still point so much faster because you're
• 35:21
  not compelled to rush to the next thing to earn the next
• 35:25
  thing. You can.
• 35:27
  You can at least, Yeah, take a breath.
• 35:29
  Yeah, it's like you have, it's like you, you have an anchor,
• 35:33
  right. You're a ship with an anchor
• 35:35
  like you are feel very grounded if you're very grounded to this
• 35:40
  world. And yeah, like what you
• 35:43
  mentioned about this means time, right, Because we are we are all
• 35:47
  the individual, but in this big nature.
• 35:51
  And you know, when you read the some success, some book from
• 35:55
  success people CEO, they say, oh, you can do whatever you want
• 35:59
  to do, as long as you are committed to it, you can achieve
• 36:02
  everything. Yeah.
• 36:05
  But is that? Yeah, yeah.
• 36:08
  But is that, you know, you have to yeah, you are in this nature.
• 36:14
  You have to compile with. You have to go with the flow and
• 36:19
  sometimes it's best to to do that and sometimes it's also
• 36:22
  very difficult to do that. It's actually very difficult.
• 36:25
  You mentioned to to right to do nothing.
• 36:29
  It's actually very difficult, especially some people in the
• 36:32
  Bitcoin space that, that if you are trader in Bitcoin space,
• 36:36
  it's actually very hard to do nothing when you see the price
• 36:39
  goes up and down and you decide to do nothing because you, you,
• 36:45
  you decide to overlook the price.
• 36:47
  But you really understand the value of this Bitcoin just just
• 36:53
  by holding it. And if you know the concept
• 36:57
  about it and not all these charts or lines, then you are,
• 37:02
  you will feel more grounded and more, yeah, more more content
• 37:08
  about what you have and when, when you do nothing, actually
• 37:15
  I'm reading something saying that your mind will clear out
• 37:19
  this space and actually give you a lot of inspirations, a lot of
• 37:23
  ideas that, you know, when you ask someone when is the best
• 37:28
  time you have, the best ideas, usually usual time you have.
• 37:33
  And you can get kind of answers like, you know, you are walking
• 37:38
  the dog, you are taking showers all this kind of time.
• 37:42
  You you let the ideas flow through you instead of going
• 37:47
  after them. Totally.
• 37:49
  Or or yeah, or instead of, you know, building up your mind and
• 37:54
  those ideas cannot come in. One of my favorite etymological
• 38:00
  explanations for a word that was a big mouthful, but the
• 38:04
  etymology of inspiration. So kind of, you know, the, the,
• 38:08
  the, the, if you unpack that word, like where did it come
• 38:10
  from? And it comes from the Latin
• 38:14
  inspiri. I can't even pronounce it after
• 38:16
  asked mighty Ben. He did a, he did a term of, of
• 38:19
  Latin, apparently, but it means to breathe or to blow into.
• 38:23
  And so in means in into and then spear is to breathe.
• 38:30
  And it's literally like respiration in inspiration.
• 38:34
  Like you've got it like when you're sitting and meditating,
• 38:38
  for instance, as you just said, the mind clears.
• 38:42
  If you, if you practice long enough, the mind gets to a still
• 38:45
  point and that's when the inspiration can move through
• 38:50
  you. Because it's like the, the, the
• 38:51
  universe is full of ideas, Like it's an infinite amount of
• 38:55
  ideas. And I feel like it just kind of
• 38:57
  passes through certain individuals.
• 38:59
  It might, it might inspire them for a moment.
• 39:01
  And unless they act upon it, that idea won't be able to
• 39:04
  manifest through them, but it might manifest through somebody
• 39:07
  else. And that's when, you know, you
• 39:09
  might get an idea and you look it up and you think, oh, someone
• 39:12
  else has already had that idea or whatever, because it's just
• 39:16
  looking for a home, basically. Yeah, It's like coming from the
• 39:20
  ether somewhere. And it's looking for a way to
• 39:22
  manifest in the form. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 39:26
  I like the videos you posted from Jean Fu Jean Pei.
• 39:29
  Oh bro, I love Jean. Fu saying that?
• 39:32
  Yeah. Yeah, that's crazy.
• 39:35
  The Imperial Man, you got to Have you listened to that album,
• 39:38
  The Imperial. Yeah, I, I started listening
• 39:41
  after you mentioned that in in one of the podcast recently and
• 39:45
  it's great. It's great album, Yeah.
• 39:48
  It's phenomenal, man. Yeah, we're going to spin off
• 39:50
  into music above territories if we're not careful.
• 39:55
  Yeah, but I'm, I mean, I'm a guitarist myself, so I I really
• 39:59
  love and amazed by how he can play things.
• 40:04
  And, you know, sometimes you will see some people, I don't
• 40:08
  know, like saying, oh, I, I play so well because of, you know, I,
• 40:12
  I practice and manage that and master these leaks or something.
• 40:16
  But, you know, if you see that video from Zhongchuan, he's
• 40:19
  like, no, always comes from nature.
• 40:22
  And I just try to capture it. And it feels so, you know, Yeah.
• 40:29
  Zen about that. Yeah.
• 40:31
  He he has a technique. There's a there's an actually an
• 40:35
  exercise that he does in a video on YouTube.
• 40:37
  I think you can find it's quite a dexterous like it, it's a
• 40:40
  practice that he will do to sort of warm up his fingers and it's
• 40:43
  pretty tricky. I struggle with it.
• 40:46
  Yeah. But like, yeah, he's he, I mean,
• 40:49
  he's playing technique is just so good.
• 40:52
  And you, like you watch. Watch him play it live at Slain
• 40:54
  Castle. Yeah, yeah.
• 40:57
  Yeah, and there's just energy swirling around that whole
• 41:00
  place. Exactly.
• 41:01
  See what Whatever's going on there is just magic.
• 41:05
  Pure magic. You know, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 41:08
  And it's amazing. He's the life journey as well.
• 41:12
  So all this kind of thing gives him this this kind of thing.
• 41:17
  He almost burned his house. Well he did.
• 41:19
  He burned his house down. He almost burnt like he's got
• 41:22
  his. His arms got third degree burns
• 41:24
  and he lost all his teeth because he took too much heroin.
• 41:27
  Yeah, exactly. Yeah, here's one, but I saw a
• 41:30
  comment very funny. He's like he probably is the
• 41:33
  only one who comes back from OD and all this thing and looks
• 41:37
  better looks even more it's. Kind of true, Yeah, yeah.
• 41:45
  You go back to like some old videos, particularly when he was
• 41:49
  recording, like was it Neanderlades, I think, which was
• 41:54
  one of his first solo albums. And and like, if you've ever
• 41:58
  listened to that album, like that'll that'll curl your toes
• 42:02
  if you're if you're not careful. It's, it's a, it's a tricky
• 42:06
  listen, that one, but it's, it's rewarding if you can get past
• 42:10
  the screaming. Yeah, yes.
• 42:14
  How has discovering Bitcoin changed you?
• 42:27
  Yeah, like I, I, I'm seeing, I think everything in life
• 42:30
  differently. You know, it's, yeah, it's like
• 42:40
  what I mentioned this deflation, right?
• 42:44
  This is the first thing I, I, I start to discover and start to
• 42:48
  question everything in life, like why everything should be
• 42:51
  more expensive. And then I realized technology
• 42:56
  should help everyone to, you know, to be able to afford more
• 43:01
  things. That's why our life is better
• 43:04
  than average people, you know, 102 hundred years ago.
• 43:09
  And we should feel happy about that.
• 43:12
  We should not feel trapped or you know, yeah, by this Fiat
• 43:17
  system, because everything just getting more expensive 510%
• 43:21
  every year. And every year you got from Fiat
• 43:25
  company job is like 02 point 2% or 3% increase in your salary.
• 43:32
  You should be yeah. Then that that's, that's the
• 43:35
  average you get. But then yeah, it just, I, I
• 43:42
  don't want to play this kind of game anymore.
• 43:44
  So I invest my, my saving in the Bitcoin and also I start to
• 43:52
  question many things in my life. It's like before I'm not
• 43:56
  crushing any the food I ate, you know, whatever the, the oil I
• 44:00
  use, I just choose the the cheapest 10.
• 44:03
  They say, oh, this wraps oil is good.
• 44:05
  OK, I use this wraps oil. And then after discovering
• 44:09
  Bitcoin, the you know, there is also this is it called Fiat food
• 44:13
  the the, the book. So read that one and also
• 44:17
  discover all these bad things about the seed oil right and
• 44:23
  also all this kind of thing they start saying this food is better
• 44:30
  than meat and the oil is you know fat animal fat is not good
• 44:35
  after 1971 because they the Fiat starts to broken the tie with
• 44:44
  with gold sender yeah that but then you.
• 44:47
  You. Yeah.
• 44:50
  Yeah, exactly. I saw a video before talking
• 44:53
  about like mainstream chocolate. We have, you know, Cadbury, for
• 44:59
  instance, and apparently, I mean, it's hard to verify these
• 45:03
  things nowadays, but it and it and it's just another remember
• 45:06
  what? I just I watched it and was just
• 45:08
  like, it's like another thing that I have to like, you know, I
• 45:11
  don't eat that much chocolate, but like, it's just annoying
• 45:14
  like that. You can't just eat things
• 45:16
  without having to worry about whether or not it's full of
• 45:18
  microplastics to get in stuck in your balls or, you know, metal
• 45:22
  like lithium or like whatever shit they're doing.
• 45:25
  Like it's, yeah, it's just nuts, man, Like.
• 45:29
  And they try to, and because of this PR system or PR game, they,
• 45:34
  they have to like grow, you know, revenue every every year
• 45:39
  to, to incend because they have to fight the inflation and
• 45:44
  everything. Yes, it's like, it's like the
• 45:47
  this I, I also, because now I'm in quite a big company,
• 45:51
  corporate thing. And we have this big financial
• 45:54
  guy in the company reporting our, our annual, you know,
• 45:59
  performance report. And they say, oh, this year we
• 46:02
  do really good actually in sales we are like plus 8% in revenue.
• 46:07
  But oh, because of the currency we are down 10%.
• 46:10
  So and it's like just completely so we are doing.
• 46:14
  Rug pulled all of your effort for the year.
• 46:16
  Thanks have. A lot, yeah, because of
• 46:19
  currency, so OK. Yeah.
• 46:22
  Well, like it's like, it's such a demoralizing thing.
• 46:25
  It's like you're all doing an incredible job.
• 46:28
  Like 8% is fantastic, but it means nothing can actually net
• 46:31
  down too, because yeah, of things out of our control, yeah.
• 46:38
  But still now everyone is forced to play this enough force but
• 46:44
  every most majorities in this Fiat game.
• 46:47
  But if people can realise there are, there is a a way out, there
• 46:54
  is a solution for it. If you don't want to suffer for
• 46:59
  this currency, if you know, if everyone use Bitcoin and you
• 47:06
  are, you're not subject to their printing or their manipulation
• 47:10
  to the currency anymore. So it's just from my side start
• 47:16
  to crashing many things now what governments was doing.
• 47:20
  I was like never crashing. I was like, you know, quite
• 47:24
  trust to everything because just yeah, people are doing and I was
• 47:31
  too busy in my I think it's also like it's it's kind of a circle,
• 47:35
  right, Because the art world keeps you busy all the time.
• 47:39
  You are working 8 hours a day and spending the rest of time.
• 47:42
  Figure out how to invest and how to save this and invest your
• 47:47
  saving so that you can fight inflation.
• 47:51
  So when can you have time to study Bitcoin or alternative,
• 47:56
  right? Most people doesn't don't have
• 47:59
  the time. That's the point, hey, like
• 48:02
  distract, distract, distract breads and circuses.
• 48:05
  You know, I've made a a conscious effort this year to
• 48:10
  actually get back into some of the breads and circuses that
• 48:13
  used to give me joy back in the day.
• 48:15
  And although the quality has degraded severely, particularly
• 48:19
  this season, I'm talking specifically about the F1 like.
• 48:25
  What, what? What do you say?
• 48:26
  What season? You know, like the Formula One.
• 48:32
  Oh, Formula One, Yeah. OK, yeah, and they got these new
• 48:35
  bullshit regulations with the batteries and stuff.
• 48:38
  It's just taking away pure racing.
• 48:41
  It's fucked. But like, I'll, I think we crave
• 48:48
  breads and circuses and I think breads and circuses are good for
• 48:52
  like in, in moderation. Just like anything moderation is
• 48:55
  good in moderation too. And it's all about balance.
• 49:00
  I think the thing with Bitcoin is that it, it, it turns your
• 49:06
  world upside down. You start to question so many
• 49:09
  things. If you're not careful, you can
• 49:12
  begin to question every single thing and go down these deep,
• 49:18
  dark rabbit holes that serve you nothing other than negative
• 49:22
  energy. Like, you can literally stand at
• 49:24
  the top of that rabbit hole and be like, got it fake and gay.
• 49:26
  Got it, Fake and gay. Got it.
• 49:28
  Like, everything's fake and gay. Let's just agree on that, you
• 49:32
  know, and then direct your attention and therefore your
• 49:35
  energy in a more, like, positive manner.
• 49:40
  But at the same time, what's not to love when you've busted your
• 49:44
  ass all week and you might want to spend, like, a couple of
• 49:46
  hours just watching some dudes race fast cars around a track?
• 49:50
  Like, that's kind of fun. Yeah.
• 49:52
  Yeah, exactly. Yeah, it's like this mean saying
• 49:57
  that. Have you watched the game last
• 50:00
  night? Or did you catch this guy?
• 50:01
  I'm, I'm cultivating it. I'm trying to catch more games
• 50:05
  last night maybe just so I can have normally conversations as
• 50:09
  well like. Yeah, yeah, exactly.
• 50:11
  Because, you know, I don't know if you go through this kind of
• 50:14
  thing. Also, it's like when I first got
• 50:16
  Bitcoin, I want to go to everyone I see, you know, go to
• 50:19
  my neighbor and tell them about Bitcoin and then, but it's like
• 50:23
  after a while he's like, Oh shit, I, I like, I think I spend
• 50:26
  like 12 hours talking with one one of my friend and, and the
• 50:30
  talking because I, I kind of respect him.
• 50:33
  He's kind of like a, a senior I, I friend and I would really
• 50:39
  respect him. And I think he has the mindset
• 50:41
  and logic to, to this. And after 12 hours talking with
• 50:46
  him and he's like, he agrees everything I say.
• 50:48
  It's like, yeah, everything should be deplation and
• 50:51
  everything, but but he just, he's just not going to buy
• 50:54
  Bitcoin. And I was like, yeah, but then I
• 50:57
  was like, yeah, just talk with him about the games or about the
• 51:01
  other shit in normal life, just having a good time.
• 51:04
  It's the horse to water, you know, and the, if they're not
• 51:08
  going to listen, like it's all there, it's all out in the open.
• 51:12
  It's, it's like, it's like any of the, any of the mysteries of
• 51:16
  this world. They're not secret.
• 51:19
  Like they're there. You just have to put in the
• 51:21
  work. You have to do proof of work to,
• 51:22
  to begin to understand them. It's the same with Bitcoin.
• 51:26
  Like it's not a mystery and. And everything is all there.
• 51:31
  You can just. Yeah, you can just in your own
• 51:35
  computer, you can verify all the blockchain just running a node
• 51:40
  it precisely. I mean, yeah, I mean, it's not
• 51:43
  that difficult. I'm I'm not a programmer, but I
• 51:46
  I struggle, struggle few days try to figure out, but but now
• 51:50
  it is I can verify everything and that is very satisfying
• 51:54
  feeling. I can't describe.
• 51:56
  It's like the first time I transfer, you know, my Bitcoin
• 51:59
  from from the trading platform to my to my code wallet, right?
• 52:04
  It's like, oh shit, who, who, who am I supposed to call if the
• 52:08
  transfer is not complete? No one.
• 52:12
  But that feeling, that's how to say excitement is really hard to
• 52:17
  describe. It's not like I can transfer
• 52:20
  that feeling to anyone else and just say I experienced,
• 52:23
  experienced this. You have to do that yourself and
• 52:27
  the proof of work, right? You have to really invest and
• 52:32
  then you feel. Yeah.
• 52:34
  That sensation of sending a Bitcoin transaction for the
• 52:37
  first time on the blockchain is scary as shit.
• 52:41
  And if you're as retarded as I am, I sent like the whole lot.
• 52:45
  Like I didn't, I didn't do like, Oh yeah, make sure you do this
• 52:50
  test transaction and blah, blah, blah.
• 52:52
  Like I remember literally from the exchange to the wallet, the
• 52:56
  whole lot. And I'm waiting around for, I
• 53:00
  don't know, maybe the manpower was a bit full, but it felt
• 53:02
  like, it felt like ages, man. And I was like.
• 53:05
  Oh yeah, yeah. But then it suddenly appeared
• 53:08
  and I was like, Oh my goodness. Exactly.
• 53:12
  Yeah, it's magical. It's really and yeah, I don't
• 53:19
  know, it's I I like your article actually.
• 53:23
  I, I, I, I, I don't really know what the transition of the
• 53:26
  conversation to there, but I really like your article saying
• 53:29
  about it's silicon to silicon, right?
• 53:33
  Yeah, I read that one. God bless.
• 53:35
  That's a difficult one. To read, it's difficult to
• 53:39
  write. Because it's so fucking.
• 53:41
  Out there. Yeah, OK, Sorry.
• 53:43
  Thanks, man. Yeah, no worries.
• 53:46
  Don't worry. But, but I, I, I want to mention
• 53:50
  in America because I, I'm a materials of the engineer.
• 53:53
  So I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm know and my expertise is actually to
• 53:58
  analyze crystals. It's kind of crystal.
• 54:01
  So using X-ray X-ray diffraction and I I love the.
• 54:06
  Feeling this is. What I I was doing since I'm I'm
• 54:10
  like a masters student and doing projects and I love the feeling
• 54:14
  that you. Have an unknown?
• 54:16
  Materials, right and you can just use X-ray to to identify
• 54:21
  because you can give to. Other people and they say, oh
• 54:23
  it. Looks yellow, so maybe it's
• 54:25
  gold, but no, you can use X-ray to really define what it is and
• 54:31
  no bullshit. You know, from, from X-ray you
• 54:34
  can see a diffraction pattern and that which, which two seater
• 54:38
  angle, you know, of, of this reflection and diffraction.
• 54:42
  And and that's just, you know, you can search and let's just
• 54:46
  give you what materials you have there and without destructing
• 54:50
  it, you know, some, some analysis you have.
• 54:53
  To cut it. In half and then cut it in
• 54:56
  pieces and then say yeah I verify this is gold but that has
• 55:00
  been destroyed. Yes, but the X-ray direction.
• 55:03
  Is like such a powerful. And then you know, you can go
• 55:06
  through. But of course it has its
• 55:08
  limitation. But for for if you can penetrate
• 55:11
  the materials or get the diffraction pattern out, yeah,
• 55:16
  you can verify the materials. And that is just.
• 55:20
  Just like ultimate. Truth.
• 55:21
  No. No debate.
• 55:22
  Or no kind of bullshit from politicians.
• 55:26
  It just it it. It is what it is.
• 55:28
  Yeah. Like there's no other way to
• 55:30
  interpret. It's like looking at A at a
• 55:33
  full, full block after it's been mined and and you just OK,
• 55:39
  that's that's the form it's taken.
• 55:41
  That's cool, OK, great. It's gone from yeah, that and
• 55:46
  and it's not up to interpretation.
• 55:48
  It's not it's not relative, you know, it's not influenced by
• 55:54
  subsidies and other sorts of things.
• 55:58
  It, it just, it just is, it's like, you know, I mentioned the
• 56:02
  article about Cymatics and when you make sound and it will
• 56:07
  appear as a particular form or shape, you know, that's, that's
• 56:14
  the form that it takes, you know, no matter where you are.
• 56:19
  And. You can't argue with it like
• 56:23
  it's just nature. It's natural law.
• 56:25
  It's quite literally a natural law.
• 56:28
  And you know, you could go as far as to say it's God, however
• 56:31
  way you want to define that. And you know, it is just that's
• 56:37
  it. Yeah.
• 56:39
  And you mentioned in the. Article Also this silicon
• 56:41
  becomes, you know the materials using semiconductor right in all
• 56:45
  the chips and because it's it is a.
• 56:48
  Semiconductor, it has this. Gate function that depending on
• 56:53
  the voltage goes in it's past and not past.
• 56:56
  But and also recently I'm reading a book called The
• 56:59
  Biology of Belief and in that. Book it talks about human.
• 57:06
  Cells, you know, human biology, how, how it functions and
• 57:13
  actually we can, you know, some people saying that the, the,
• 57:18
  the, the gene is from DNA and it's can you cannot change it.
• 57:21
  Or some people say, you know, environmental can, can change
• 57:24
  things. So you talk about this thing and
• 57:26
  they say the cells, the membranes of the cells actually
• 57:30
  function like semiconductor it like gait, it can, it can sense
• 57:36
  some kind of thing and then that the environment pass or not
• 57:40
  pass. You know it.
• 57:42
  It's it is like a gate in the semiconductor, the transistor,
• 57:47
  epigenetics. Right.
• 57:50
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Or it.
• 57:52
  Yeah. So it is very cool like you.
• 57:57
  Like you mentioned, it's nature somehow the computer we are
• 58:02
  using, it's the similar concept of function of the cells we are
• 58:07
  in. So we we kind of function.
• 58:10
  Like. Yeah, like.
• 58:14
  A computer in in in in a way. Like whatever the information
• 58:18
  you are showing yourself somehow, right?
• 58:23
  It is the pictures in your mind. Let's say it's like different
• 58:27
  form factors. For different ways of
• 58:30
  manifesting the formless into the form, which sounds woo woo.
• 58:34
  But if you go back to like the cabalion, they have the the
• 58:36
  principle of correspondence. And this is from the Hermetic
• 58:40
  principles. But you know, as above, so
• 58:42
  below, like as as within, so without.
• 58:46
  And there's that harmony between, you know?
• 58:52
  Existence various. Planes of existence which link
• 58:56
  the form to the, the formless to the form, the material to the
• 58:59
  spiritual, whatever it is. And so these patterns, it's
• 59:03
  basically just like a Mandelbrot set or, you know, fractals where
• 59:08
  there's just different form factors of the same idea
• 59:13
  manifesting itself. So whether it's a computer
• 59:15
  silicon chip or DNA acting as switches and you know what?
• 59:23
  Whatever it is like, it's the universe experiencing itself in
• 59:28
  all of these different facets. Bananas.
• 59:32
  Yeah. And it's like what?
• 59:34
  And if you think about. Human body as a computer, it's,
• 59:38
  it feels like you can, you know, switch the images you're showing
• 59:42
  yourself. If you picture this world as a
• 59:45
  hostile environment, everyone you know and then everyone will
• 59:51
  looks like the Yeah, they try to kill you or they try to do harm
• 59:55
  to you or you want to put it like more more positive or you
• 1:00:01
  want. To filter the.
• 1:00:02
  Positive thoughts through you, then you will see this world as
• 1:00:06
  a, you know, constructive place that wants you to be successful.
• 1:00:12
  It's now also I feel like, yeah, like I told you, I I'm not so
• 1:00:17
  successful in orange peel, my friend and the people.
• 1:00:21
  But then I found this Bitcoin meet up and then I start to go
• 1:00:24
  in there and I found all these people at at first I was like,
• 1:00:28
  oh, maybe they are all super Bitcoin maxi and then they
• 1:00:32
  would, I don't know, look down on me because I'm so newbie in
• 1:00:36
  Bitcoin. But no, they are super friendly
• 1:00:38
  and they don't care how many years you are in Bitcoin.
• 1:00:42
  As soon as, yeah, as soon as you come.
• 1:00:46
  To Bitcoin and they are very nice.
• 1:00:47
  And they ask you question and they are welcome you.
• 1:00:51
  They don't care about if you. Know Bitcoin programming?
• 1:00:54
  Or do you know this law in this Bitcoin blockchain or something?
• 1:00:58
  They are super helpful and friendly.
• 1:01:02
  That's it man. But if?
• 1:01:03
  I yeah. And then?
• 1:01:05
  It's like. Super.
• 1:01:06
  I feel so, you know, inclusive in in this and then the whole
• 1:01:11
  world just looks different. To me.
• 1:01:14
  Really, Bitcoiners receive you incredibly well.
• 1:01:18
  Once you've been in the game for a little bit longer, they can be
• 1:01:21
  a little tribal, as we, you know, have witnessed with the
• 1:01:25
  the spam wars and box size wars before that.
• 1:01:29
  And you know, there are certain bitcoiners that I don't know if
• 1:01:33
  they just do division for rage baiting and engagement, but
• 1:01:37
  that's sad if they do. But all in the whole, it's just
• 1:01:40
  like anyone, like on a computer screen on Twitter or whatever.
• 1:01:44
  Yeah, it's easy to be an asshole.
• 1:01:47
  It's much harder in real life. Yeah.
• 1:01:50
  Yeah, exactly. Exactly.
• 1:01:53
  Yes. And I mean also we don't have to
• 1:01:57
  agree with each other with everything, right.
• 1:01:59
  But in real life, you can have honest discussion or you can
• 1:02:03
  have a more yeah, face to face discussion like longer discard
• 1:02:09
  not not just one sentence or you are moron.
• 1:02:11
  You don't know anything about Bitcoin or something.
• 1:02:14
  You can have an honest discussion in real, real time
• 1:02:17
  life and, and to realize and to be grounded to knowing everyone.
• 1:02:21
  He's a real human being. Have a real human experience
• 1:02:26
  just like everyone, just like you do.
• 1:02:29
  We have some respect to each other.
• 1:02:31
  And trust to. Each other like we are all some
• 1:02:35
  kind of in the. Process.
• 1:02:36
  Right, totally. And it it it takes.
• 1:02:39
  Courage to show up to Bitcoin, Meet up.
• 1:02:42
  To be honest, yeah, it takes a lot of courage to go to a meet
• 1:02:46
  up or a conference or an event and kind of put yourself in that
• 1:02:51
  space because you're in your own mind.
• 1:02:55
  And I'll speak from experience where you, you and you
• 1:02:59
  shouldn't, but you do you assume that all these people have been
• 1:03:04
  into Bitcoin longer than you have and they know more than you
• 1:03:07
  and you don't have and, and that that is true a lot because
• 1:03:12
  ultimately you should go to a meet up or a conference or
• 1:03:15
  whatever it is and just listen 2 ears, one mouth.
• 1:03:19
  You know that that's the mode you should be in.
• 1:03:22
  Be the sponge, be the dumbest person in the room, Soak it all
• 1:03:26
  up. But it's OK because.
• 1:03:29
  Everyone. Totally OK.
• 1:03:30
  Start from that. Yeah, Yeah.
• 1:03:32
  And then the people, they'll they'll.
• 1:03:36
  They'll welcome you, they'll they'll receive you and it's
• 1:03:40
  pretty awesome, man. But it does you just you have to
• 1:03:43
  overcome that hurdle. I remember we, we had a meet up
• 1:03:46
  in in my area and I would try and get some close friends,
• 1:03:50
  maybe some family along. And there was, they're always
• 1:03:53
  really reluctant because they didn't, they, they lacked that,
• 1:03:58
  that courage. And I'd be like, no, no, no,
• 1:04:00
  they're all, they're all, everyone's really cool.
• 1:04:02
  Like seriously. And they're all from, from all
• 1:04:04
  walks of life. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:04:07
  All kind of place, yeah. And like you said.
• 1:04:10
  This is a very. Good point.
• 1:04:11
  You say if you're not going or doing the action, you are living
• 1:04:16
  in your, your thinking right, You're and, and that's fear or
• 1:04:21
  that kind of hesitant or or reluctant just grow bigger and
• 1:04:24
  bigger. But in reality, actually most
• 1:04:29
  people I, I, I think you also agree in the Bitcoin meter.
• 1:04:32
  They are very welcome. Yes, they are not judging.
• 1:04:36
  You or they? Are they just?
• 1:04:37
  Try to be inclusive and just Yeah, very nice people.
• 1:04:41
  Bitcoiners won't judge you unless you.
• 1:04:44
  Give them a reason to judge you and they're not.
• 1:04:46
  Judge the shooter and apply the purity case.
• 1:04:48
  Yeah. Cast iron, stainless steel.
• 1:04:50
  Fuck you. Yeah.
• 1:04:53
  Yeah, I mean it's. Kind of like a mirror, right?
• 1:04:56
  If you judge it, then maybe they'll judge you back.
• 1:04:58
  It's totally a mirror. It's exactly.
• 1:05:02
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• 1:05:40
  Thank you for listening and thank you for your support.
• 1:05:46
  What do you wish more people knew about Bitcoin?
• 1:05:52
  I I think in in my personal. Experience I want at least first
• 1:05:57
  they they don't think it as a as a scam because I think Bitcoin
• 1:06:03
  has. This name of.
• 1:06:04
  Cryptocurrency and then you know in crypto every oldest shit coin
• 1:06:11
  is a scam like someone wrote the like trump coin right and then
• 1:06:16
  some Youtubers saying you should buy this shit coin.
• 1:06:18
  One shit coin 2 ABC and Bitcoin sounds like one of them.
• 1:06:24
  So I want every. Most people know the difference
• 1:06:29
  between Bitcoin and other ship coiners.
• 1:06:32
  But ship ship coins because Bitcoin has this limited cap
• 1:06:36
  supply and it is it is only in this white paper.
• 1:06:40
  It's only like 3 pages. So I, I have read it and I
• 1:06:45
  really recommend that people just start reading it.
• 1:06:49
  Don't, don't listen to what I said, right.
• 1:06:51
  Just it's just three pages, but but it's actually very funny.
• 1:06:55
  I was. One time in Bitcoin.
• 1:06:57
  Meet up just really recommend one one lady to read this
• 1:07:01
  Bitcoin white paper and I say ah, it's very easy it's not
• 1:07:04
  complicated at all and and another guy in the Bitcoin
• 1:07:08
  because it is shaking his head and say ah no, no, I mean I
• 1:07:13
  could probably. Probably too much.
• 1:07:15
  For her or something the. Point is that.
• 1:07:19
  You shouldn't be put off by its perceived complicatedness.
• 1:07:26
  You should. You should just read it because
• 1:07:30
  like, it is the foundational text, quite literally.
• 1:07:32
  But also, like, I mean, everyone's different, but I
• 1:07:37
  don't mind reading things or listening things that I don't
• 1:07:41
  understand. Like I'm listening to Magic
• 1:07:45
  Internet math with fundamentals and Rob Hamilton and like, I
• 1:07:54
  haven't ever got a clue. But but like what they're
• 1:07:57
  talking about in terms of elliptic curves and SHA 256 and
• 1:08:00
  how that all works and the math behind it and the libgen and
• 1:08:03
  blah, blah, blah. But I listen to it just because
• 1:08:05
  I'm like, well, I might pick up on.
• 1:08:07
  Some of it. And I'm, and it might be useful
• 1:08:10
  plus, yeah, mildly psychopathic. But that, that tendency that
• 1:08:17
  again, it takes courage to pick up the white paper and just to
• 1:08:19
  read it and not assume that you've got nothing to add or
• 1:08:23
  that it won't, it won't resonate with you in some particular way.
• 1:08:27
  I mean, heck, you only have to read the first sentence.
• 1:08:31
  And that's, you know, that that if you don't get it from the
• 1:08:35
  first sentence and you know, no one ever, you know, no one, not
• 1:08:39
  everybody does. But P to P electronic cash.
• 1:08:42
  OK, cool. Sounds great.
• 1:08:43
  Yeah. Yeah, we can.
• 1:08:45
  How can I use this? Yeah, you can.
• 1:08:47
  Yeah, you can. You can.
• 1:08:49
  Just feel if it's resonate with you right.
• 1:08:53
  And if it does, it's it's perfect because the motivation I
• 1:08:57
  want to read this because I have heard always people saying,
• 1:09:00
  yeah, Bitcoin has this Max fixed cap.
• 1:09:03
  And then I was like, OK, I want to see where in the white paper
• 1:09:08
  of Bitcoin says about this. And then I finished.
• 1:09:13
  Reading the white paper and there's.
• 1:09:15
  No sentence saying that it has a maximum cap of 21 million.
• 1:09:19
  No, there's no sentence of it, but it, it does have the
• 1:09:23
  equation saying about this halving cycle, right?
• 1:09:28
  And if you use that equation, if you search what will be the
• 1:09:32
  answer if it goes to, you know, unlimited time, the total sum is
• 1:09:39
  21 million from mathematical calculation from that equation.
• 1:09:46
  So it's interesting that there's not like a, yeah, an.
• 1:09:49
  Expansion on that point, isn't it that in the one, yeah, but
• 1:09:55
  it's it's total. Math, right?
• 1:09:56
  It's total nature, it's total physics behind that limited it's
• 1:10:01
  amount to 21 million. And I think it's just purely
• 1:10:05
  beautiful. Maybe from my nerdy engineer
• 1:10:09
  background, but I feel it's actually super elegant.
• 1:10:12
  I like things to be elegant and simple, not giving me all this
• 1:10:16
  bullshit about how we are doing EO curve control.
• 1:10:21
  So this inflation is transitory, nothing to worry about.
• 1:10:27
  All this kind of bullshit, you know none of it based in in in
• 1:10:32
  nature. Or reality.
• 1:10:33
  Yeah, exactly. And that no, no we.
• 1:10:36
  Are not doing QE, No, we are just, you know, slight, slightly
• 1:10:40
  QE, I mean there was a period of time there if you recall.
• 1:10:44
  Where they were talking about negative interest rates, what
• 1:10:47
  we'll do is we'll take interest rates negative like as if that's
• 1:10:51
  just a thing that. You can do and.
• 1:10:53
  Like, like without any consequence, we can just, we can
• 1:10:57
  just reverse time basically. Because yeah, you you get paid
• 1:11:01
  by borrowing money. And you got punished by working
• 1:11:05
  hard, right? Like if you don't if you don't
• 1:11:09
  borrow. Money.
• 1:11:10
  You got punished. But you know what kind of
• 1:11:12
  negative interest rate they're doing?
• 1:11:14
  Their best man. They're doing their best.
• 1:11:16
  Yeah, yeah, I know. I have to remind myself.
• 1:11:19
  Exactly. Yeah, that's a hard, that's hard
• 1:11:22
  part, but yeah, yeah. But yesterday.
• 1:11:27
  I feel I listened to a good code actually.
• 1:11:29
  They say for forgiving someone else.
• 1:11:34
  It's actually a very selfish thing if you forgive.
• 1:11:39
  Someone else you're not punishing.
• 1:11:41
  Yourself, you just let it go. Yes, right.
• 1:11:47
  And you, you, yeah. And you probably.
• 1:11:50
  Learn something. It's it's not saying that what
• 1:11:52
  they are doing is OK. It just you forget, forgive them
• 1:12:00
  and you forget about it and you move on to your thing, right?
• 1:12:06
  You know which tribes, which kind of people you want to be
• 1:12:10
  surrounded with. That's all.
• 1:12:11
  That's the lesson you learn. But you don't have to be angry
• 1:12:14
  about certain people's actions, right?
• 1:12:18
  You know they are not your tribe.
• 1:12:22
  And yeah, you just surrounded by yourself.
• 1:12:26
  Now I surround by myself with Bitcoiners and just just getting
• 1:12:32
  more out of it and I feel more satisfied, more, more peaceful
• 1:12:36
  with it. An attachment is.
• 1:12:40
  Such a difficult skill to cultivate, but it's so crucial
• 1:12:45
  you. Know it's the only way to to to
• 1:12:48
  move. On to ascend and to to grow as
• 1:12:51
  an individual where as as the as the the inimitable and
• 1:12:58
  magnificent, Maynard says. You know, you can't, you know,
• 1:13:03
  wear the grudge like a crown of negativity.
• 1:13:05
  You've got to let go. You've got to, you've got to,
• 1:13:09
  you know, ascend, Yes. And actually I think.
• 1:13:14
  I can add one more thing. Bitcoin has changed me.
• 1:13:18
  Yes, I have mentioned I like to. Play in guitar, right So.
• 1:13:22
  But I, I, but my real job is not guitar, it's it's a corporate
• 1:13:26
  job with the engineer. So.
• 1:13:28
  But I always want to, I would say achieve.
• 1:13:33
  More in this guitar thing. I'm practicing in my bedroom,
• 1:13:37
  but it's, it's really feel, you know, I want to do more thing as
• 1:13:41
  well about it. So I, I cannot find the direct
• 1:13:45
  relation to this, but recently I, I have the courage to really
• 1:13:50
  go into a jam session in a, in nearby pub or something, you
• 1:13:54
  know, just bring out the guitar and do things with people, even
• 1:13:58
  though it's probably sounds not, you know, that of course it's
• 1:14:03
  not Jungfu chante level, but it's, it doesn't, but it's the
• 1:14:08
  yeah, it doesn't matter. The fulfillment is so big.
• 1:14:10
  And, and what fulfills me more is also my son.
• 1:14:14
  And he's 8 now and he, he loves it.
• 1:14:17
  He, he bring his, I, I kick him a, a guitar I was using before
• 1:14:20
  and he, he comes to jazz session with me and we jump together on
• 1:14:24
  the stage and everyone is like, yeah, yeah, watching this kid is
• 1:14:29
  playing. Of course it's, you know, very
• 1:14:32
  simple stuff, but it's so fulfilling.
• 1:14:35
  And I was kind of wonder I, I don't think I would do this kind
• 1:14:40
  of thing if I don't know Bitcoin somehow I, I think I know that
• 1:14:44
  because my mind will be trapped with all these Fiat games and
• 1:14:48
  things. But now I have the space to
• 1:14:51
  really recognize what I really want to achieve, you know, and I
• 1:14:56
  want to. Spend.
• 1:14:57
  Yeah, you know. If I have half day in on the
• 1:15:00
  weekend there, I go to the gym session and just do things.
• 1:15:04
  You can just do things. I think they right, they start,
• 1:15:07
  they say this thing in the Bitcoin world, but yeah, I don't
• 1:15:10
  have to like coding or something.
• 1:15:13
  You can just do things and that's just amazing.
• 1:15:18
  And when you lock in to that jam session.
• 1:15:21
  And the other musicians, you're all feeding off one another and
• 1:15:24
  that energy gets passed around. Yeah, there's nothing wrong.
• 1:15:27
  Exactly, man. It's like full on slow estate.
• 1:15:31
  What did you say it's? Like the it's it's a flow state.
• 1:15:33
  It's it's. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:15:36
  It's it's that Zen. Feeling or.
• 1:15:38
  That yeah, yeah, going everyone. And it's crazy And and.
• 1:15:44
  What in one of the gym? Sergeant, It's very funny,
• 1:15:46
  actually. It's a new place.
• 1:15:47
  I've never been there. And when we play the, the place
• 1:15:50
  is so quiet, even though many people down there and it was
• 1:15:53
  like, oh shit, they they think we are suck, we suck or
• 1:15:56
  something. Oh shit.
• 1:15:57
  And then that's all, all in my mind.
• 1:15:59
  But then after we finish, it's like, wow, the whole place is
• 1:16:03
  full with clapping and the and the cheering and I was like, OK,
• 1:16:08
  they think we I don't know how they think, but it's, you know,
• 1:16:11
  the fear, the feeling. You can at least surmise, given
• 1:16:14
  the cheering and clapping, that. You're not shit.
• 1:16:16
  That's great. Yeah.
• 1:16:17
  Yeah, exactly. Yeah.
• 1:16:19
  And. The quiet is they just want to,
• 1:16:21
  you know, let us to, you know, perform not affected.
• 1:16:25
  So so that's why I realized again, it's only in my mind.
• 1:16:28
  A lot of things is just in my mind.
• 1:16:31
  It's it's totally in your mind. And this is this is going back.
• 1:16:35
  To the principle of mentalism, it's yeah, exactly complete
• 1:16:38
  creation of. The mind.
• 1:16:41
  You know, the universe, everything.
• 1:16:43
  There's a call. I retweeted it.
• 1:16:45
  Michael Dunworth posted it up on Noster a couple weeks ago of
• 1:16:51
  like a, it's like a split screen.
• 1:16:53
  You can see the, the car and a computer game driving through
• 1:16:56
  some sort of city in a, in a, in a gaming space.
• 1:17:01
  And then the, I think it's the top of the screen, you can
• 1:17:04
  actually see the city rendered just as the car sort of brings
• 1:17:07
  it back into view, like the observer effect.
• 1:17:11
  And so in a real in a real city, Yeah, like.
• 1:17:14
  Within a? No, not.
• 1:17:15
  Not in a real. City like just a computer game
• 1:17:17
  just like a outcome of the world type thing and and like
• 1:17:22
  literally the city or that scene manifests itself in real time
• 1:17:27
  appears in real time as the car the you know the player is
• 1:17:33
  moving into that scene and around that scene and so it
• 1:17:37
  disappears when they're not looking at it it appears when
• 1:17:39
  they look at it it's. It's wow, yeah.
• 1:17:45
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's it's it's all depending on
• 1:17:48
  if you pay attention to it, right.
• 1:17:50
  Totally or not, Right. Yeah.
• 1:17:53
  It's like of. Course, every day shitty things
• 1:17:55
  happen. I don't know why they want the
• 1:17:59
  war in Iran, but that's out of my control and.
• 1:18:03
  If I pay all my. Attention to that, I'm just
• 1:18:06
  suffering myself, right? That's exactly.
• 1:18:10
  But if I, if I try to do what I like and to care the people I
• 1:18:16
  care, a lot of the people around me, yeah, I'm doing my part to
• 1:18:20
  make the world a little bit better.
• 1:18:24
  This is it. It's just putting your attention
• 1:18:28
  and therefore energy. In the most meaningful thing and
• 1:18:32
  if you're situating if situating, if you're monitoring,
• 1:18:35
  monitoring the situation yeah I mean you might want to situate
• 1:18:39
  the monitor first before considering monitoring the
• 1:18:42
  situation you know you're just going to waste a lot of time and
• 1:18:45
  yeah, suffer. You're going to feel bad like
• 1:18:47
  people doing scrolling on Twitter all day or elsewhere.
• 1:18:52
  It's a it's just not very productive.
• 1:18:56
  And that's not to say that being unproductive is a bad thing.
• 1:19:01
  You know, sometimes you just want to sit and.
• 1:19:03
  Watch the F1. But yeah, yeah, you know, but.
• 1:19:06
  All depending on if you how how do you feel afterwards, right.
• 1:19:11
  If you spend the the whole day intuitive, afterwards you feel
• 1:19:14
  exhausted and you know, but yeah, it.
• 1:19:18
  It's really how. Your personal choice and how you
• 1:19:21
  want to spend your time and energy into because yeah because
• 1:19:29
  you spend the days watching the F1, but you feel relaxed
• 1:19:33
  afterwards so yeah just do it afterwards that just you know
• 1:19:37
  then then it has the effects on you or at least you gotta have
• 1:19:41
  at least you like it you. Know yeah, yeah for sure for
• 1:19:44
  sure yeah for. Sure.
• 1:19:45
  A little bit of downtime, you know which, whatever that is, it
• 1:19:48
  could. Be watching movies if you if you
• 1:19:50
  if you're just sitting around doing that all the time you're
• 1:19:56
  going to have a bad time, you know yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly
• 1:20:00
  it's like. When you sit in bed for too long
• 1:20:02
  and you start. Getting like hot and a little
• 1:20:05
  like you like it might be A and I've got to say I haven't done
• 1:20:09
  this in a little while because kids, but you know, you might be
• 1:20:13
  reading in the book like reading in bed.
• 1:20:15
  You you wake up, start reading a book and then, I don't know, an
• 1:20:19
  hour passes and you start to get a little uncomfortable in there.
• 1:20:21
  It's time to get out. Yeah, exactly.
• 1:20:24
  Exactly. You have to.
• 1:20:25
  Move around Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's it is tough to do yeah,
• 1:20:30
  just do nothing as well for a long time.
• 1:20:33
  It is what does Bitcoin. Mean to you I want to say yeah,
• 1:20:46
  it means the reflection. Of what what I am?
• 1:20:52
  So so it can. Mean very different thing for me
• 1:20:55
  in different times. And I think sometimes it let me
• 1:21:02
  see. Myself much more clearly like I
• 1:21:07
  think in. In a period of time.
• 1:21:09
  And also sometimes now also I would I.
• 1:21:14
  I would try my. Best to stack as much set as
• 1:21:18
  possible, right? But I have.
• 1:21:24
  To also realize the fact that I have a.
• 1:21:27
  Family to to to support on that to smoke kids so I cannot just
• 1:21:33
  sell the house sell the car sell everything and tell kids we are
• 1:21:37
  all in Bitcoin in in the future you would be thankful to me I
• 1:21:43
  have to TD guy what's that that that Dutch fellow that.
• 1:21:47
  Back in there, Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.
• 1:21:49
  Yeah, thought everything. Kids, we're going to go.
• 1:21:51
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, so you.
• 1:21:54
  Can do that also, but it's like yeah, you must have a fat stack
• 1:21:58
  man, because this price. Action.
• 1:22:00
  I don't know if it's happening or not, Yeah.
• 1:22:03
  Exactly. Yeah, for sure, for sure.
• 1:22:07
  If it would, it would hurt me if I go like crazy and go leverage,
• 1:22:12
  you know, So I have to also sometimes look back and ask
• 1:22:18
  myself how much Bitcoin is enough?
• 1:22:22
  Like how much money and we save money.
• 1:22:25
  We, we, we refer to Bitcoin, how much money do I really need to
• 1:22:30
  be happy? Or maybe it's not because of the
• 1:22:34
  money, right? It goes back to this.
• 1:22:38
  At first, it's not really the the outside world.
• 1:22:42
  I will feel happy or satisfied. I have to go in there to to to
• 1:22:49
  search for that and I think Bitcoin really remind me from.
• 1:22:56
  Time to time you. Know from this bear market and
• 1:23:00
  and the the bull market before and everyone's saying, oh now we
• 1:23:02
  are going to the moon that's going down.
• 1:23:05
  If I look at that all the time or too much too often, I'm not,
• 1:23:14
  I'm not the the the. The the peaceful.
• 1:23:17
  Or the happy guy I want to achieve or want to be even
• 1:23:23
  though I'm not trading or. Everything but my my.
• 1:23:25
  Mindset is like trading. I was like, yes, the coin is
• 1:23:28
  this high price and I buy this low price, so I'm winning.
• 1:23:32
  I'm I'm killing again. No, but you have to.
• 1:23:38
  Yeah, you have to ask yourself. What do you really want?
• 1:23:41
  To buy, to to be happy or to be content.
• 1:23:48
  So Bitcoin is really. A kind of this.
• 1:23:51
  Yeah, this anchor for me or this, this, this grounded thing
• 1:23:57
  for me. That I can come.
• 1:23:59
  Back to to really ask myself and yeah you never go search online
• 1:24:06
  to to ask how much Bitcoin is enough because some you forget
• 1:24:11
  the some people say one Bitcoin 0.10 point but you know you have
• 1:24:15
  to ask yourself how much money is you know 37 sats man that's
• 1:24:21
  all you. Need telling you, you get zapped
• 1:24:26
  out in Auster in like a day if you go in there and ship post.
• 1:24:30
  Yeah, 37 sats is intergenerational wealth.
• 1:24:33
  I think that's the final issuance of the final.
• 1:24:37
  Block in 21. 40 is like 37 sats. Can you imagine how much
• 1:24:43
  purchasing power that has? Like, that's insane.
• 1:24:48
  Yeah. So yeah.
• 1:24:53
  And. Also it's like, yeah.
• 1:24:56
  So, so in the end, we have to come back to the to, to to my,
• 1:25:01
  my, my inner self, right. And as myself, how much is you
• 1:25:05
  know, and or should I be happy, really happy, you know, seeing
• 1:25:13
  my two kids growing up around me and asking me, yeah, they want.
• 1:25:19
  To hang out with me, play with me, that's.
• 1:25:21
  The real win right now, yeah. I have AI.
• 1:25:25
  Have a friend visiting us earlier for for a ski trip and
• 1:25:28
  they stay in our place and he is this yeah, CEO of a of a this
• 1:25:37
  start startup company, but he has to travel around visiting
• 1:25:41
  this client that guy for for frequently.
• 1:25:44
  So he's not home long time, but he also has two kids and his two
• 1:25:49
  kids small. Kid is like oh.
• 1:25:51
  Daddy, why do you have to travel?
• 1:25:53
  I don't like you to travel away that much.
• 1:25:57
  And his father is. Like ah, but I have to grow the.
• 1:25:59
  Business and develop the business and I was, I was.
• 1:26:04
  Thinking I know you. Yeah, you're missing out what's
• 1:26:11
  of course. Business is important.
• 1:26:13
  Too, But you know your your kids in front of you is.
• 1:26:18
  It's it's really the precious and the the.
• 1:26:24
  Other than the wind, you can. You can get.
• 1:26:27
  You cannot replace it like. No amount of money has ever
• 1:26:31
  bought a minute of time, you know?
• 1:26:34
  And it I got friends who have slightly older kids, you know,
• 1:26:40
  ones I think as old as 18. Yeah.
• 1:26:46
  And you know. He he, he misses it, you know,
• 1:26:54
  because you cannot get it back. You can stack more Bitcoin.
• 1:26:57
  I mean, yes, there's only 21 million and blah, blah, blah,
• 1:27:00
  blah, blah. There's always going to be some
• 1:27:02
  chump that's going to sell. So you can just, you know, but
• 1:27:06
  you can't just go and. Buy more time with your.
• 1:27:09
  Kids, it's not going to happen. Forget it.
• 1:27:11
  And that's got to be the priority.
• 1:27:14
  No matter how poor you get in the process.
• 1:27:17
  You'll be as rich as anything in your heart.
• 1:27:20
  If you can spend as much time as possible with those, with those
• 1:27:25
  two, for sure. Yeah, Yeah, there are.
• 1:27:29
  Things in life like money can buy, can't do it, can't buy.
• 1:27:34
  So I've got to ask Clapton, are you named?
• 1:27:36
  After the the bass, Eric Clapton, the most overrated
• 1:27:40
  guitarist on the planet, let's be, let's be honest, super
• 1:27:44
  overrated guitarist. Ruined one of the greatest rock
• 1:27:50
  licks of all time in Layla by putting a 2 1/2 minute outro at
• 1:27:55
  the end of that song. What the fuck was he thinking?
• 1:27:58
  But yes, are you you named after Eric Clapton Exactly.
• 1:28:02
  Yes. Yes, I love that guitarist.
• 1:28:06
  That's the he stole. He stole George Harrison's wife
• 1:28:11
  out from under him. He's he's no, I he's.
• 1:28:15
  Dodgy man. I mean, he was pretty based on
• 1:28:18
  COVID though. Him and Van Morrison.
• 1:28:20
  That was fun. Yeah.
• 1:28:22
  I don't. For me, I don't really.
• 1:28:25
  Care about the too much personal things or personal life about
• 1:28:29
  the artist. I, I, I just go with their music
• 1:28:33
  and just just appreciate their music.
• 1:28:37
  And yeah, as I said earlier, right.
• 1:28:42
  No, no attachment to what they are.
• 1:28:44
  Doing they are just doing the things they they think they're
• 1:28:47
  the best, right? So I.
• 1:28:48
  Don't care, but I I. I but I like the I when I start
• 1:28:52
  playing guitar, it is him as my how to say yeah, music
• 1:28:59
  inspiration. So yeah, of course after then I
• 1:29:02
  have other things, but I always like the the music itself
• 1:29:07
  because also after that I, I like John Mayer, John Mayer's
• 1:29:10
  music a lot. And the many people say John
• 1:29:13
  Mayer, you know, his personal life is crazy and they like this
• 1:29:18
  so many girlfriends or anything, but I just don't really care.
• 1:29:23
  He's I just love his. He's as a person.
• 1:29:25
  As an. Artist.
• 1:29:26
  He's cool, dude, you know, he's got a lot of cool.
• 1:29:30
  Ways of seeing the world, I mean.
• 1:29:31
  The boy can. Play, there's no doubt about it.
• 1:29:33
  John Mayer John Mayer live like and when he's playing the Blues
• 1:29:37
  and stuff is so much better than when he like like his his like,
• 1:29:43
  you know, studio albums. Yeah, exactly.
• 1:29:47
  I don't really like and also like the.
• 1:29:50
  Yeah, and. I think that blue skills.
• 1:29:52
  Is really. Overlooked because of his you
• 1:29:54
  know love some of gravity and your your body is wandering all
• 1:29:58
  those kind of you know love songs but these Blues how to say
• 1:30:03
  skills are really overlooked. Oh, the second to none like.
• 1:30:09
  I've got a friend who's a mad Eric Clapton fan, and he tried
• 1:30:14
  to get me into Journeyman because we were talking about
• 1:30:19
  John Mayer and we're talking about the album Sob Rock from
• 1:30:24
  2021. Yeah.
• 1:30:26
  I mean, there are some beautiful, delicate, incredible
• 1:30:30
  guitar solos on that album. Song Rock.
• 1:30:32
  Yeah. Yeah, there's one with.
• 1:30:35
  Like this little pinch harmonic and the and.
• 1:30:37
  The Wham bar and it's like tasty and you can really feel that
• 1:30:41
  this guy. Is not trying to impress you.
• 1:30:45
  He's not trying to impress anyone.
• 1:30:47
  He's just serving. But he's yeah.
• 1:30:49
  It just. You know, because sometimes you
• 1:30:52
  can see guitarist that's like crazy speed and crazy solo.
• 1:30:58
  So this is just all, so how to say coherent with the sound,
• 1:31:03
  with the rhythm, everything just matching together.
• 1:31:07
  And he's in the stages. Like yeah, I don't care about
• 1:31:10
  how you look at me. I just yeah, BB himself or B.
• 1:31:19
  However, music through is flowing through him and he just
• 1:31:24
  expressed it. I like what John Mayer's called
• 1:31:29
  in one interview. He says that when he was young
• 1:31:32
  and not famous, he's playing guitar in his bedroom, right?
• 1:31:37
  And he's imagine he's on stage and now he's playing on.
• 1:31:41
  Stage he's imagine. He's in his bedroom.
• 1:31:48
  Yeah, right. That's so cool about.
• 1:31:51
  About the situation because you're on stage, you know,
• 1:31:55
  you'll probably see all the, all the, all the audience and
• 1:31:59
  everything, but you're not so in the moment and you're in.
• 1:32:03
  You have to imagine you're in the in the bedroom and playing
• 1:32:07
  grass. That's always good now.
• 1:32:10
  Yeah, exactly. Yeah.
• 1:32:14
  Yeah, So, yeah, regarding so going back to the Bitcoin price,
• 1:32:19
  right, like I, I always feel of of Bitcoin thing it's like
• 1:32:26
  everyone. Once in a while you see.
• 1:32:28
  People are like, I'm too late for Bitcoin.
• 1:32:31
  The the, the, the, the ship is, is off.
• 1:32:36
  And you know, I miss the boat, but now?
• 1:32:40
  Also every time in the bull. In in the bear market now the
• 1:32:43
  price so low and you can see it is as low as many other spare
• 1:32:50
  time, but people are still complaining.
• 1:32:55
  But it's like one year. Or two years later and people
• 1:32:57
  are like. Oh, I wish I buy some in that
• 1:33:00
  time, but in today today's price.
• 1:33:05
  So you are always complaining or expecting the the the other
• 1:33:12
  situation you will always want to be in.
• 1:33:16
  In neighbors. Grass.
• 1:33:19
  Yeah, you got to just be happy. Where you are and.
• 1:33:22
  Yeah, could a should of water, you know, and it's just just,
• 1:33:28
  it's not how it is, you know. The.
• 1:33:31
  Opportunity. It's not always easy.
• 1:33:33
  It's the stack the best time. Was the stack.
• 1:33:35
  You know yesterday and the next best time is today.
• 1:33:38
  Now be here now, stacks. That's now.
• 1:33:43
  Yeah, and. Always the always the best time
• 1:33:46
  to be. With your kids is also today.
• 1:33:49
  Eternally yesterday, yeah. Yeah.
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  Because that shit is more precious.
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  Than anything. Yeah, yeah.
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  Clapton, thank you. So much man for spending.
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  Some scarce time finding energy telling us the tale of how you
• 1:34:02
  discovered Bitcoin. Yeah, the joy.
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  It was a pleasure, man. Thank you.
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  And I want to say one thing. To really thank you and I
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  appreciate your effort putting in the pocket.
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  I, I have, you know, I know it's a lot of work to to put in this.
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  I you have also for sure a lot of other things to do.
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  So I really appreciate your work putting those pockets and
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  really, yeah, really taking time to to chat with all kinds of
• 1:34:34
  people, including me. Oh, man.
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  And thank you. Yeah, thank you.
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  That's it's my pleasure. And I'll tell you the secret
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  sauce, no video. And yeah, just don't chase the.
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  Algorithm literally just. Have conversations with people
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  and put it up into people like listen, great.
• 1:34:51
  Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's great. That's.
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  The that's the key for Nostril, right?
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  No algorithm for from this, they just from from whatever
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  algorithm Twitter and the other other app ads.
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  They're just trying to keep you engaged on the.
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  Fear on the. On all the scary or or
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  depressing things happening in the world.
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  But when you open Austria, it's a different world.
• 1:35:19
  Yeah. It's just, it's all.
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  It's all. Gaff all the time.
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  And, you know, energy flows where attention goes.
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  And yeah. Yeah, I I appreciate you saying
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  that, man. It's.
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  It's it's dead set. Like as I said at the top of the
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  show, talk to the plebs, talk to the talk to the ones that lack,
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  lack ego effectively, you know, and and it's just infinitely
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  more pleasurable and genuine. So thank you, yeah, thank you.
• 1:35:53
  And I really hope. Yeah, my sharing helps helps
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  people and to to also look. I think of course stacking sets
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  is important, but looking in inside, right, looking in for
• 1:36:07
  your inner health can bring you much more joy and peaceful and
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  more grounded in the in your life.
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  Cosign that message every day. Thank you, man.
• 1:36:24
  Thank you. Thank you so much.
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  Thank you.