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Former GM Dan O’Dowd's Trade Deadline thoughts, Breslow v. Posey, Rockies rebuild abyss · Foul Territory

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  Speaker 1: I mean, your credibility with your fan base begins to
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  Speaker 1: erode to the point that it may not be salvageable
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  Speaker 1: if you keep going back on the things that you.
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  Speaker 2: Promised longtime Rockies GM.
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  Speaker 3: Former GM Dan Daud joining us back on the show
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  Speaker 3: here on Foul Territory, and we're excited. He's got some
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  Speaker 3: great news. He's going to share with us about Win Reality,
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  Speaker 3: which he's a big part of as a founder, and
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  Speaker 3: how they bought Blast Motion, a personal little trade talk
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  Speaker 3: to get the people excited.
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  Speaker 2: Dan, Great to see you. How you doing.
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  Speaker 1: Hey great, Hey, Before we get started, I just want
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  Speaker 1: to I didn't know what was gonna be on the
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  Speaker 1: show until I actually read the email here a little
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  Speaker 1: bit ago, and hey wait, I just want to congratulate you.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I don't know if you heard yesterday on air,
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  Speaker 1: I also congratulated you on the network just for an
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  Speaker 1: incredible career. I mean, I just loved watching you play
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  Speaker 1: a ninth round draft pick. You know that just got
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  Speaker 1: so much out of your ability day in and day out.
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  Speaker 1: You did every thing right in the game, and I
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  Speaker 1: just want to make sure that you know, I just
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  Speaker 1: want to let you know the man you were really
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  Speaker 1: a pleasure to watch compete.
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  Speaker 4: I don't thank you, Dan, I appreciate that.
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  Speaker 5: That means a lot.
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  Speaker 6: All right, Scotti, fire away at your trade questions. Guys,
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  Speaker 6: go ahead, what do we got?
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  Speaker 2: All right? What do we what?
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  Speaker 5: No, before we get into trade questions, I got to
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  Speaker 5: ask about the Rockies because I don't know how the
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  Speaker 5: heck you work for them?
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  Speaker 6: Am you do that every time I get on air?
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  Speaker 6: You asked me.
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  Speaker 5: I know, because because there's seventeen fifty one or whatever
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  Speaker 5: they I got to look what they are. But they
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  Speaker 5: got like seventeen wins.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, who do you least for their worst
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  Speaker 1: start after that many games with? I think the Washington
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  Speaker 1: Club in nineteen oh four. So it's it's been a
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  Speaker 1: while since the team had this bad.
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  Speaker 6: Of a start.
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  Speaker 1: Hey, you know, I think when you look at the Rockies,
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  Speaker 1: I haven't been there ten years now. So although I
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  Speaker 1: was a former GM, it was a long time ago
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  Speaker 1: former GM. So I think when you get to this
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  Speaker 1: position one, you've had a lot of bad luck. The
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  Speaker 1: game is based on skill and luck, but the reality
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  Speaker 1: of it is they've made a lot of bad decisions
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  Speaker 1: over a long period of time to put themselves in
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  Speaker 1: the position and they're in. I don't think it's one
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  Speaker 1: decision in particular. I think it's layering decisions, because that's
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  Speaker 1: kind of what a front officer's role is all about.
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  Speaker 1: Is you just try to make good decisions every single day,
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  Speaker 1: and then you layer those good decisions on other good decisions,
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  Speaker 1: and then you look up and you've got a good
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  Speaker 1: team with a well run organization. I think they just
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  Speaker 1: have made a jay a ton of bad decisions over
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  Speaker 1: a really, really long period of times. And I don't
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  Speaker 1: think it's an easy fix in any way, shape or
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  Speaker 1: form the position they're in.
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  Speaker 3: If you did have to try and fix it, Dan
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  Speaker 3: to try and put simple terms, because I know you
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  Speaker 3: could do hours on this. Do they need to find
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  Speaker 3: help from other places? Do they need to do?
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  Speaker 1: I do think, you know, I think it's good to refresh.
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  Speaker 6: Your people. I just think it's healthy.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I probably in reality should have left ten
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  Speaker 1: years into my job. I think I outstayed it by
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  Speaker 1: five years, and I think that hurt me within the
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  Speaker 1: game from a availability and a reputation standpoint. So I
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  Speaker 1: do think there's like expiration dates with jobs. So I
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  Speaker 1: do think it's good to get best practices outside of
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  Speaker 1: your organization. It's that you're just dealing with such a
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  Speaker 1: unique environment there with altitude unless you've lived it and
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  Speaker 1: understand it, like you can conceptually think you know it,
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  Speaker 1: but until you working in it day in and day
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  Speaker 1: out and see how that particular environment affects every aspect
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  Speaker 1: of personnel decisions and the way the game's played out
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  Speaker 1: in the field. So ideally you find somebody that had
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  Speaker 1: experience in it then left and learned a bunch of
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  Speaker 1: things and best practice wise somewhere else that would be
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  Speaker 1: available to come back and now run it. But I
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  Speaker 1: think even the best gms of the game that recognize
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  Speaker 1: would have a significant learning curve going in there from
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  Speaker 1: scratch and taking what their best practices are to an
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  Speaker 1: environment where some of that might be applicable, most of
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  Speaker 1: it would not be.
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  Speaker 6: Is that Does that make sense to you?
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  Speaker 2: No doubt? Yeah, it's still right no matter what to me.
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  Speaker 3: Like to simplify, it's not a quick fix to go
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  Speaker 3: back to what you're saying you want to you want
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  Speaker 3: to get outside else still going to take a long
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  Speaker 3: time to get adjusted to a place that Yeah, I look.
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  Speaker 1: At it now, you know, it's like an expansion you're
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  Speaker 1: taking over like an expansion situation. Hey, maybe they're wonderful opportunities.
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  Speaker 1: They just come with you know, you're gonna have to
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  Speaker 1: be very patient, and you're gonna have to look at
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  Speaker 1: victories in a different way, and you're just gonna have
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  Speaker 1: to be really understand what you're getting yourself into. And
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  Speaker 1: I think it could be a great opportunity for someone
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  Speaker 1: if they just and if ownership and the people involved
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  Speaker 1: really understood what they were buying into.
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  Speaker 4: Then you talked about the altitude. I got a question
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  Speaker 4: on that. When you look for players, how does that
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  Speaker 4: affect the type of player that you're looking to sign,
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  Speaker 4: especially when it comes to pitching.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, well let me just jump in the position players
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  Speaker 1: first win, because I think it's really fascinating discussions and guys,
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  Speaker 1: I'm on no time frame here. I got plenty of
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  Speaker 1: time as long as you guys do, because this don't
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  Speaker 1: think could take the rest of the afternoon. So you're
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  Speaker 1: playing an environment with where you say you play a
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  Speaker 1: six game home stand, you get a lot of that
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  Speaker 1: bats in that place because of the ballpark. So you
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  Speaker 1: get five at bats a game, you're going to see
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  Speaker 1: maybe thirty forty to fifty pitches a night, you're going
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  Speaker 1: to swing at fifty percent of those. And so hitting
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  Speaker 1: is a muscle memory sport. It's a part of your
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  Speaker 1: cerebellum that you wire every time you see a pitch
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  Speaker 1: over and over again, so you're recognizing specific patterns of ballflight.
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  Speaker 6: That's how you hit.
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  Speaker 1: Now you go on the road and you see the
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  Speaker 1: same pitches, you take the same swing, and the ball
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  Speaker 1: is now moving millimeters differently because there's no movement at home.
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  Speaker 1: So now there's movement on the road because movements created
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  Speaker 1: when you throw some kind of object against mass air. Well,
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  Speaker 1: there's no mass in Colorado because you're a mile above
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  Speaker 1: sea level, but when you go on the road, you're
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  Speaker 1: now hitting in mass.
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  Speaker 6: And so.
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  Speaker 1: I think that's where like guys who have elite at
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  Speaker 1: the ball skills, guys that can use the entire part
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  Speaker 1: of the field, guys that have good pitch recognition skills,
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  Speaker 1: and players that aren't gonna like take like I give you.
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  Speaker 1: I'll give you an example. And Jeff Cirilla's retired, so
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  Speaker 1: I can hammer him a little bit, but he's really
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  Speaker 1: dear friend of mine.
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  Speaker 6: I love a guy.
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  Speaker 1: Jeff was an incredible hitter in his career. When I
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  Speaker 1: acquired him from Milwaukee was for that same reason, and
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  Speaker 1: he came to our place and he raped. But then
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  Speaker 1: as the season went on, when he tried to make
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  Speaker 1: that transition from raking in cores to hitting on the road, mentally,
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  Speaker 1: it became a real, real struggle for him. And they
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  Speaker 1: isn't pretty by the end of the year. So you
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  Speaker 1: just never know how a player is going to react
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  Speaker 1: to failure in a way that he can't control the failure.
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  Speaker 1: It's just a human dynamic of where you play, same
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  Speaker 1: dynamic as exists for pitching. So you need strike throwers.
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  Speaker 1: Guys that can have power. Sinkers are certainly good. Guys
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  Speaker 1: that command vertical fastballs upper good. Guys that have really
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  Speaker 1: hard sliders are okay, breaking balls not good.
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  Speaker 6: There.
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  Speaker 1: Change is for okay there. Cutters can work there, But again,
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  Speaker 1: you're not going to get movement at home, and then
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  Speaker 1: you're gonna get maybe twenty five percent more movement on
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  Speaker 1: the road. So a starting pitcher has to adjust this
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  Speaker 1: repertoire between pitching at home and pitching on the road.
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  Speaker 1: And it's a physical issue that quickly become a mental
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  Speaker 1: issue because the game is so challenging mentally.
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  Speaker 5: Dan, No, Dan, You're good this.
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  Speaker 6: Would you rather have guys, Dan?
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  Speaker 5: Would you rather have guys that those sinkers or guys
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  Speaker 5: that can get fly balls in weak contact up in
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  Speaker 5: the zone?
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  Speaker 1: Hey, Jay, as long as the sinkers are power snickers.
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  Speaker 1: It's like Eric Cook who had a lot of success there.
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  Speaker 1: I mean when he was right and healthy.
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  Speaker 6: It was.
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  Speaker 1: Ninety four ninety five with really late tunneling sinker movement
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  Speaker 1: that works. And then you had a kid like Jeff Francis.
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  Speaker 1: Not that necessarily Jeff threw hard, but he was very deceptive,
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  Speaker 1: and he lived at the type of the strike, the
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  Speaker 1: top of the strike zone, and then he worked a
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  Speaker 1: slider off of that same line. He had success there.
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  Speaker 1: So I think you want both. You just don't want
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  Speaker 1: guys that live in the middle of the plate in
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  Speaker 1: that place.
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  Speaker 3: trade talk for a few minutes here. I know we're
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  Speaker 3: a few weeks away from the trade deadline, So Dan,
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  Speaker 3: would you call the Orioles the most disappointing team this
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  Speaker 3: season and Michael Lias their GM, the most popular guy
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  Speaker 3: coming up for the trade deadline?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I fig you're I picked him to win the division.
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  Speaker 1: So that shows you how smart I am. You know,
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  Speaker 1: I thought, you know, it's a really interesting question. I
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  Speaker 1: think that's kind of in a big picture of the
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  Speaker 1: story of the entire trading deadline. For me is that
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  Speaker 1: what which clubs are going to do? Why separate from
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  Speaker 1: their records telling him to do and so like I'm
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  Speaker 1: not sure. I mean, you know, maybe Ryan o'hearne because
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  Speaker 1: he's a free agent at the end of the year.
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  Speaker 1: But I think what a GM's job, guys, amongst a
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  Speaker 1: lot of different things, is that you kind of always
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  Speaker 1: have to have a great feel for where your club
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  Speaker 1: is and why, and that then let me lead you
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  Speaker 1: to understand what you need to do with your current
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  Speaker 1: situation that can help with your future situation. And so
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  Speaker 1: the Origan's decision for me is this is just a blip,
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  Speaker 1: one of those years where they take a step back
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  Speaker 1: to take a huge step forward, and then how do
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  Speaker 1: they line up better next year to take that huge
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  Speaker 1: step forward. So the easy decisions are, you know, the
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  Speaker 1: move players like Zach Flynn who's a free agent at
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  Speaker 1: the end of the year, and Ryan O'Hearn who's a
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  Speaker 1: free agent at the end of the year and then
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  Speaker 1: try to, you know, augment they're terrible against the left
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  Speaker 1: hand pitching, so they don't have a ton of right
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  Speaker 1: handed bats. I'm not sure world's right handed bats are
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  Speaker 1: going to play and they're starting. Pitching is major to
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  Speaker 1: be concerned about, and so I'm just really so the
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  Speaker 1: answer should be yes, gott it. I'm just not sure
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  Speaker 1: it's going to be that simple, because I don't think
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  Speaker 1: in their mind they think they're a bad club, even
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  Speaker 1: though the record says that they are.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, it makes sense, here's another one for you, and
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  Speaker 3: obviously we can get your take on this situation, because
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  Speaker 3: I'm curious, where do you think the Red Sox do
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  Speaker 3: right they're five hundred is they're actually worse than the Angels,
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  Speaker 3: and after getting.
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  Speaker 1: I think they screw themselves with their comments after the
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  Speaker 1: rough Devers deal. I don't think they're a good team.
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  Speaker 1: I think that some of their parts does not equal
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  Speaker 1: their bigger part, and so I think they should be
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  Speaker 1: sellers at the deadline because I do think they got
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  Speaker 1: good young talent. It's just had a difficult time transitioning
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  Speaker 1: to the big like but I think they should be
• 12:02
  Speaker 1: looking to see, Okay, the Atlanta Braves have interest in
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  Speaker 1: Trevor's story, maybe had a reduced salary rate, but maybe
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  Speaker 1: thinking there's a change of scenery and then they move
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  Speaker 1: Mayor back to his natural position at shortstop. I mean
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  Speaker 1: they should be active. They've got enough talent to actively
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  Speaker 1: put themselves in a position to be a Mets better
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  Speaker 1: team next.
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  Speaker 6: Year than they are this year. It's just said.
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  Speaker 1: When you come out publicly and you say, hey, listen,
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  Speaker 1: we're not taking a step back after the Devers deal.
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  Speaker 6: We're all in.
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  Speaker 1: We're going to try to win this year, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: your credibility with your fan base begins to erode to
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  Speaker 1: the point that it may not be salvageable if you
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  Speaker 1: keep going back on the things that you promise.
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  Speaker 6: And they've got a real issue with that.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, So when they made that move, Dan, would you
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  Speaker 3: have done it then or even despite the drama, if
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  Speaker 3: you really decided or you were instructed by ownership, I
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  Speaker 3: got to do this now.
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  Speaker 2: Would you have waited until after.
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  Speaker 3: The season, because this team could have contended for a
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  Speaker 3: wild card spot they got rid of their best bat.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I would have waited to the off season. I
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  Speaker 1: don't know that the Dynamics internally that were going on
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  Speaker 1: in the organization. I just I mean, I've been around
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  Speaker 1: the game a long time. I've never I mean, I've
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  Speaker 1: had a couple of players that were really disruptive that
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  Speaker 1: caused problems. I just never got to the point where
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  Speaker 1: I felt like it couldn't have been managed with the
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  Speaker 1: right set of manager and coaches within the clubhouse and
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  Speaker 1: the right set of leaders around them in the clubhouse.
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  Speaker 1: So I'm just perplexed by the whole I don't even
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  Speaker 1: know how they ended up in the position they ended
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  Speaker 1: up with there. That had to be such a breakdown
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  Speaker 1: of communication. And I mean, should he have moved the
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  Speaker 1: first base? Maybe should have, But you know, I think
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  Speaker 1: sometimes the front office, and I think that front office
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  Speaker 1: in particular, players aren't robots or human beings, and they
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  Speaker 1: need to be communicated to in an open and trustworthy way.
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  Speaker 1: How they respond to the news, you can't, you know,
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  Speaker 1: that's not for you to decide, But you can be
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  Speaker 1: open and honest with them, and you can contistally tell
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  Speaker 1: them the truth so when it does come down, they
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  Speaker 1: know that, you know, whether they like the news or not,
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  Speaker 1: they were spoken to in a way that was respectful
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  Speaker 1: and direct, they did.
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  Speaker 5: Not do that any in that what's surprising dan is
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  Speaker 5: Craig Brezlo is a former player. You would think that
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  Speaker 5: he would know that.
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  Speaker 6: He doesn't act like one. To meaj it's perplexing to me.
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  Speaker 1: It's just it acts like a lot of current gms,
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  Speaker 1: which his players are part of a portfolio that they
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  Speaker 1: buy and sell and trying to put the better value
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  Speaker 1: on the entire market value of the portfolio, and stocks
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  Speaker 1: are one way. Players are just not wired that way.
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  Speaker 1: And you know, RAFFI didn't handle it maturely, But I
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  Speaker 1: don't think the expectation was that you should have expected
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  Speaker 1: he was going to hal that maturely. But if they
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  Speaker 1: have flown to the dr and they had looked him
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  Speaker 1: in the eye and they have said, listen, you're not
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  Speaker 1: a real good defender.
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  Speaker 6: We got a chance to sign.
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  Speaker 1: Bragman or trade for Aronada, We're going to do that,
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  Speaker 1: so let's talk about what the transition is for you.
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  Speaker 1: I think they should have immediately put a first base
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  Speaker 1: glove on him, and I think Raffe should have recognized
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  Speaker 1: that his long term value in the game or even
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  Speaker 1: getting into the Hall of Fame someday, it creates way
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  Speaker 1: more value if he's playing a position than DH and
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  Speaker 1: so I just I don't know how it ever got
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  Speaker 1: to this point. I'm just totally perplexed by.
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  Speaker 6: The whole thing. Oh great.
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  Speaker 5: Agreed On the other end, though, Buster Posey is acting
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  Speaker 5: like a former player, and a former player that's one
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  Speaker 5: and was brought up under Brian Sabian who said, I
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  Speaker 5: have a chance to go for it, I'm going to
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  Speaker 5: go for it. So what does he do. He goes
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  Speaker 5: out and gets a player like RAFFI divers And I
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  Speaker 5: love this move for the Giants because I think over
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  Speaker 5: the long haul, not only this year, but in long haul,
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  Speaker 5: they have the star that they've been looking for, and
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  Speaker 5: they have a dude they possibly can hit him thirty
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  Speaker 5: plus homers, which they haven't had twenty plus years.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, And you know it's funny you read all the
• 15:32
  Speaker 1: articles about it, and everybody's congratulating for Red Sox for
• 15:35
  Speaker 1: getting out of all that future commitment because you know
• 15:38
  Speaker 1: he's going to decline over age. We just have this
• 15:41
  Speaker 1: hypothesis within our game that every player who gets into
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: their mid to late thirty is going to think like
• 15:47
  Speaker 1: they're all not created, you know, differently, and they all
• 15:49
  Speaker 1: don't have a unique set of skills, and they all
• 15:52
  Speaker 1: look at the game differently, and their motivations are all differently.
• 15:54
  Speaker 1: We just have this hypothesis that age regression is going
• 15:57
  Speaker 1: to take place, so if you get out of the money,
• 15:59
  Speaker 1: you're better off. Well, there's no guarantee they're going to
• 16:01
  Speaker 1: spend that money in a better way on players that
• 16:04
  Speaker 1: fit ideally within the ages that everybody seems to come
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: it within this game, and you have no idea what
• 16:10
  Speaker 1: the future is gonna hold. That's where you take everything
• 16:12
  Speaker 1: in the game one day at a time and you
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: do your best each in each and individual day, but
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: you have no idea what's gonna happen in the future.
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: I find some of these, you know, these statements just
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: comical by people that really, for me, don't have a
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: clue about what's.
• 16:22
  Speaker 6: Going on in the game.
• 16:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm with you some of I mean, there's some
• 16:26
  Speaker 3: you know, anonymous people chiming into and some of these
• 16:29
  Speaker 3: stories like oh, I can't believe they got such a
• 16:31
  Speaker 3: return the Red Sox. I'm like, yo, a bat in
• 16:35
  Speaker 3: his prime who caused half the amount of Vladdie Junior
• 16:37
  Speaker 3: just got moved over to an NLS team.
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: From a big market Boston team.
• 16:41
  Speaker 3: I'm like, uh, sometimes you know the the am I
• 16:44
  Speaker 3: winning every trade at every margin, and the computer model
• 16:47
  Speaker 3: kind of system that's going here.
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  Speaker 2: Dan, you know me, I.
• 16:51
  Speaker 3: Worked with you for a while, Like I love a
• 16:54
  Speaker 3: good a good look into you know, a team analytics
• 16:56
  Speaker 3: wise and get deep into numbers, but sometimes you got
• 16:59
  Speaker 3: to take a step back and be like, it's a
• 17:01
  Speaker 3: top ten bat in the sport.
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: I think the perfect organization Scotti that are running the
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: game combine the human analytical side of the game with
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: the data side of the game, and they do that
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: in every decision that they make. I think those are
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: the best run organizations in the game, because you know,
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: the data tells you a predictable part of the player's past,
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: but it doesn't predict what's going to happen in the future.
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: I kind of look at it. It's like a GPS
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: system and it gives you some directions on where you
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: might go, but you know you may have to take
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: more left or right turns to actually get to your destination.
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: And I think the game is just really trended itself
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: too much in one way and not enough in another way.
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  Speaker 3: the trade front one team or one player. I mean,
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: I'm sure, you've already been talking a lot about trades.
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: That stands out really.
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  Speaker 6: Crazy to me. This team that I think should be
• 18:49
  Speaker 6: active is the Minnesota Twins.
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  Speaker 1: I just watch them play and I go, man, that's
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: a talent. They have talented players, but it just doesn't
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: seem to add up. And so maybe because they're in
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: the midst of a sale, maybe because I don't think
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: the gm IS is hyper aggressive to do anything historically,
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: but I mean, Brian Buxton's having a monster year, but
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: he has never stayed healthy.
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  Speaker 6: Like to me, it's the perfect time to look to
• 19:18
  Speaker 6: move him.
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: With teams that are desperate right handed bats, desperate percenter
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: fielders at this trading deadline with not a lot of
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: offensive impact players available, and so I mean, and I
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: would look to move Joe Ryan. I mean, he's twenty
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: nine years old, he's got three years of control. He'd
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: be the most coveted pitcher in this year's deadline when
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: nobody is available, And then I would look to move
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: their closer. And I think he's got great arm. He's
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: also cost control for three more years. And I realized, Wow,
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: that's going to really hurt them, And honestly, I probably
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: try to eat as much money as I had to
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: to move Korea. I don't think he's going to be
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: a good player in Minnesota. And so whether that's playing
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: third base for the Yankees or shortstop for Atlanta, I
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: think that experiment it's just not going to work.
• 20:03
  Speaker 6: It's not going to get better any any moving forward.
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: I know none of this is probably going to happen,
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: but if I'm running the Twins, I look at this
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: trading the line because of the really little available talent
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: that's out there at this point in time, I would
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: look to take advantage of these teams that you know,
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: think they're going to win that really aren't and try
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  Speaker 1: to reboot my whole organization because that club now for
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  Speaker 1: two years that it just doesn't it.
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  Speaker 6: Just hasn't worked.
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a great call.
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: Thirteen game win Street kind of smoking mirrors in terms
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: of what the record looks like, because besides that little
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: two week run, I mean, it does look like a
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: subpar non playoff team.
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: So we'll see what happens there. All right, let's finish
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: with this.
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: So a win Reality, which you founded and you're a
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: big part of for a long time as a leading
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: VR training tool for baseball and softball. Tons of major
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: leaguers use it and then go down miners, college kids,
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: et cetera. Right, your company acquired swing sensor technology Blast Motions,
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: So I'll let you let us know how big that
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: is for the world of baseball and tech training.
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we think it's gigantic, honestly. So we have one
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: hundred million swings sanalyzed within our platform, and whin VR
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: they have four hundred million, so a little over four
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: in a million, so over half a billion data set
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: now to work with, which gives us great insight. And
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: though Blast was certainly a technology company, we're a baseball company.
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: BLASTS will become a baseball company. It will be run
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: separately in the short term. We'll see what happens over
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: the long term. But if you think about what the
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: capabilities they have with our VR training platform Scotti, we
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: have a new swing a eye product out that is
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: killing the market, you know, to be able then to
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: capture their their ability to track backpath and contact point
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: that fits perfectly into our win VR training and then
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: to take their blast motion biomechanical analysis that they've got,
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: which is great, and put that into our swing AI.
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: We just consolidated the industry dramatically, and now we have
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: a chance to actually simplify things, uh for the end
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: user and you know, hopefully make it a much easier
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: transition and process for everybody that you know wants to
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: get better in the game of baseball, which is ultimately,
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: at the end of the day, why we started the
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: company and why we continue in this day is to
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: try to make players better and that we have to
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: do it via technology. I just I mean, people think
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: we're a tech company more we really aren't. We're just
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: we're baseball men utilizing a tech back platform trying to
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: figure out how to do some of the things in
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: the game that's really hard to do at all ages.
• 22:38
  Speaker 6: And simplify it.
• 22:40
  Speaker 4: I remember when this came on this when when when
• 22:43
  Speaker 4: reality came on the scene, goy, I guess it was
• 22:46
  Speaker 4: over COVID when when we started using it, Yeah, in
• 22:48
  Speaker 4: Kansas and Kansas City. And now with this, I mean,
• 22:51
  Speaker 4: it's got to be just exploding with with with youth baseball,
• 22:54
  Speaker 4: doesn't it.
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's crazy with our product is basically all in
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: the youth space. Blast Motion is really just all in
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: major league teams and in colleges and they have a great,
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: great golf product too. We're certainly going to take that
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: downstream itself into the youth market to where there's just,
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: you know, fifty million users that aren't being tapped, and
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: so we think there's an unbelievable opportunity for us because
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: it's a really good product to downstream that hold on
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: to the big league team. I think twenty seven out
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: of thirty teams use Blast. I think there's three hundred
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: colleges that's fully onboarded into their system. So we think
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: it's a great opportunity because we've now figured out I
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: don't know if we figured it out. We're still in
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: the process of learning how to actually capture that youth
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: baseball base and so we'll put some of our best
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: practices into trying to take that down the downstream. I mean,
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: we have other things guys that were still looking there's
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: one of the company that we're still looking at acquiring
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: two that will help us fill another bucket, you know,
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: just trying to consolidate a very unique space within the
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: game that's you know, trying to organize it in a
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: way that just makes it a lot easier for people
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: to use and understand why they're using it.
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: It's very cool. Obviously, I've been a big fan for
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: a long time. Congratulations on the acquisition. Thanks for letting
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: us know about it, Dan, and you know we'll be
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: following all that age. Obviously too knows that scene well
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: with his son now transitioning to the college game, so
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: thanks for sharing Dan, appreciate it.
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: Congrats again, great guy.
• 24:24
  Speaker 6: Hey, thanks for having me on and I wish you
• 24:26
  Speaker 6: the best of luck as you go through the training.
• 24:28
  Speaker 6: That should be fun time.
• 24:28
  Speaker 7: In here for you.
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: Thank you of course, this was great. Good to see
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: you Dan.
• 24:32
  Speaker 6: Okay, see you guys. Bye bye.