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4x World Series champ Jeff Nelson joins Karl Ravech on DFTD · Foul Territory

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  Speaker 1: There is there is Jeff who of course it's up. Nelly.
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  Speaker 1: Good to see you, buddy.
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  Speaker 2: You got you as well. Been a long time.
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  Speaker 1: It has been a long time. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: You and I, we we go back a long ways.
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  Speaker 3: And I like to think that during the days of
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  Speaker 3: Baseball Tonight and covering the Yankees during the late nineties,
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  Speaker 3: that that that we I was. I was on you
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  Speaker 3: like I was a fan. I mean, you know, you
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  Speaker 3: and I had a relationship way back when. And look
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  Speaker 3: on a team with a bunch of superstars, even back
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  Speaker 3: to Seattle, but it was really New York. You had
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  Speaker 3: all those superstars, and I knew Nelly was gonna be
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  Speaker 3: and he is a huge part of those teams, right right.
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  Speaker 2: That's always a fan. Yeah, I agree, But I'm always
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  Speaker 2: a fan of yours as well. I loved watching you
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  Speaker 2: on TV. You got to know you as a person.
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  Speaker 2: So always a big fan through the years. And you know,
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  Speaker 2: I know I haven't seen you in forever, but I
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  Speaker 2: have seen you on TV. So that's that's one good thing.
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  Speaker 3: It's great to have you on boards. Justin and I
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  Speaker 3: started this thing. Uh, I don't know, but about three
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  Speaker 3: or four months ago. We've had we've We've had fantastic guests.
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  Speaker 3: We've had people like Dusty on, we had a Rocket on,
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  Speaker 3: we had Pedroia on, we had jam slasnagelon, we had
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  Speaker 3: Durosa on. We've had a lot of we had a
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  Speaker 3: lot of great guests. And the goal is to sort
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  Speaker 3: of share your journey through baseball to baseball parents and
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  Speaker 3: baseball players so that they can learn that it's not
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  Speaker 3: necessarily linear and there's a lot of different ways to
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  Speaker 3: get to wherever your journey is going to take us.
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  Speaker 3: So let's start there, because I think a lot of
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  Speaker 3: people Jeff know you as a Mariner and you was
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  Speaker 3: a Yankee, but I think very few know about Jeff Nelson,
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  Speaker 3: you know, the little league or the high school player,
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  Speaker 3: how you got to where you eventually got to share
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  Speaker 3: some of those stories with.
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  Speaker 2: Us, or eight years in the minor leagues, you know,
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  Speaker 2: you know I was you start when you're seven years old.
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  Speaker 2: You absolutely love the game. I grew up in Baltimore,
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  Speaker 2: so I was a big Orioles fan. You know, we
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  Speaker 2: didn't have the video games and all that stuff that
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  Speaker 2: we could sit inside. We had to get outside and
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  Speaker 2: play and it was either wiffle ball in the backyard
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  Speaker 2: pretending we were Eddie Murph or Eddie Murray or Ken Singleton.
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  Speaker 2: We'd go through the whole Oriel lineup and be at Albumber,
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  Speaker 2: you name him. We'd have this scene called step ball
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  Speaker 2: when you're throwing this tennis ball against the steps and
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  Speaker 2: it has to go over the car, and like if
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  Speaker 2: it goes into the street and the er, it's a homer.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, you learn how to field. Actually during stepball,
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  Speaker 2: you know, you only had a few guys that you
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  Speaker 2: were kids that you were able to get her to
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  Speaker 2: play with. So you had to be able to pull
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  Speaker 2: the ball. If you hit it the other way, you're
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  Speaker 2: automatically out. You know, you did any anything you could to,
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  Speaker 2: you know, just do something outside. Homework wasn't really a
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  Speaker 2: big thing because we didn't get a whole lot of homework.
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  Speaker 2: You did it and you did it in school and
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  Speaker 2: then you stayed out until your mom yelled through the
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  Speaker 2: neighborhood say it's time to come home. But I you know,
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  Speaker 2: I didn't know anything about the draft. I always thought that, Okay,
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to go and I'm going to play baseball
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  Speaker 2: in college. I went to my junior year. You know,
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  Speaker 2: guy Brian Jordan. He was played for He was he
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  Speaker 2: made of mind in Texas. He played for the Falcons
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  Speaker 2: and a big, real good baseball player. He went to
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  Speaker 2: one of our rival high schools, Milford Mill. And I
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  Speaker 2: actually got scouted when I was in the eleventh grade
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  Speaker 2: and I faced Milford Mill and they won the state
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  Speaker 2: champions at state champs that year and I beat them twice.
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  Speaker 2: And there was a Mets and a Cardinal fan scout
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  Speaker 2: there and that's how I got scouted. That's how I
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  Speaker 2: got noticed by d Yeah, by somebody, just by going
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  Speaker 2: and watching somebody else. And my dad was there. My
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  Speaker 2: dad was a Maryland State policeman, so he would always
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  Speaker 2: go and he'd a lot of times he'd be working,
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  Speaker 2: so he'd be in his uniform and he would stay
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  Speaker 2: way away so nobody would see him. And they thought
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  Speaker 2: at that time that I was a senior. So I
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  Speaker 2: had another year and I wound up. It's funny. I
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  Speaker 2: went up throwing my arm out, my shoulder out, throwing
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  Speaker 2: snowballs at cars. How about that, you know? And I
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  Speaker 2: thought went so my whole senior year.
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  Speaker 3: By the way, we don't encourage that behavior, yeah, but
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  Speaker 3: don't understand that's how you threw your shoulder out.
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  Speaker 2: That's that's how we that's how we did. That's how
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  Speaker 2: we stayed as a kid. But you know, I was
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  Speaker 2: taking red hots. I had no idea about visiting a
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  Speaker 2: doctor or any of that. But I was fine, you know,
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  Speaker 2: I wound up pitching through it, and and I was
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  Speaker 2: I was seventeen, So I was sixteen going into my
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  Speaker 2: senior year in high school because I started early and
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  Speaker 2: I graduated when I was seventeen, and that year I
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  Speaker 2: was scouted. And then the draft was in June, and
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  Speaker 2: it didn't matter how many how many rounds. And I
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  Speaker 2: didn't know anything about the draft. I didn't, you know, nothing.
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  Speaker 2: We went and played Legion ball. Like after my eleventh grade,
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  Speaker 2: my junior year, my Legion ball team I got cut,
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  Speaker 2: you know, after all I did was pitch and I
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  Speaker 2: played outfield, played shortstop a little bit, and my Legion
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  Speaker 2: team cut me. So I had to play little league.
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  Speaker 2: I played little league baseball. It was like Catonsville Midget
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  Speaker 2: League is what it was called. So I played that
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  Speaker 2: whole my junior year, you know, as you know, a
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  Speaker 2: little leaguer. And then my senior year, we and my
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  Speaker 2: when we playing in the East Coast. We only had
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  Speaker 2: twelve games. We didn't play a lot of games in
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  Speaker 2: high school. And I pitched like nine of them. And
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  Speaker 2: it wasn't nothing like, there wasn't a pitch count. So
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  Speaker 2: there was games that I would strikeout seventeen and walk
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  Speaker 2: like twelve. So it did. I probably threw two hundred pitches.
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  Speaker 2: And one of the scouts, one of the scouts was
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  Speaker 2: a dinner scout. His name was Bob Carter. I would
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  Speaker 2: go and I did all the tryouts like the I
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  Speaker 2: was like all county and then we went to a
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  Speaker 2: Memorial stadium back then they like the Area Code games
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  Speaker 2: or wherever. Yeah, So I scouted like Denny Nagel was
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  Speaker 2: a part of that, Brian Jordan, there was a couple
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  Speaker 2: others that were involved in that that wound up making
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  Speaker 2: the big leagues. So I didn't know nothing about it.
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  Speaker 2: And I only threw eighty four miles an hour back then,
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  Speaker 2: you know, out of high school. I was sick. When
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  Speaker 2: I graduated high school, I have six two, one hundred
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  Speaker 2: and seventy five pounds and I threw eighty four miles
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  Speaker 2: an hour. And that's when they actually clocked it went
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  Speaker 2: across the plate not out of the hand now. So
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  Speaker 2: when I got drafted, I was drafted in the twenty
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  Speaker 2: second round by the Dodgers, and I got a Western Union.
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  Speaker 2: That's how I knew that I got drafted. A Western
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  Speaker 2: Union came to my house. My dad opened it up
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  Speaker 2: and said, You've been drafted by the Los Angeles Dodgerton
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  Speaker 2: in the twenty second round. And I was excited about it.
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  Speaker 2: And my dad was always a big athlete and he
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  Speaker 2: wanted he wanted me to sign. My mom wanted me
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  Speaker 2: to go to college. I visited one school and that
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  Speaker 2: was Old Dominion. An Old Dominion back then was the
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  Speaker 2: manager over the head coaches, Mark Newman, and Dan Radison
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  Speaker 2: was one of the coaches. And full circle, Mark Newman
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  Speaker 2: wound up being the minor league coordinator for the Yankees,
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  Speaker 2: and Dan Radison was the one of the instructors going
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  Speaker 2: through the league. And that's when I went over there.
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  Speaker 2: After I got traded from Seattle, all of a sudden,
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  Speaker 2: this is the guy that recruited me out of high school.
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  Speaker 2: And I wound up signed with the Dodgers in the
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  Speaker 2: twenty second round, right, and when I went I went
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  Speaker 2: to I signed late for what reason. I have no
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  Speaker 2: idea I think I had. I got like a box
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  Speaker 2: of box of baby roots and a pair of shoes.
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  Speaker 2: Here you go, go play. And I went to Great Falls, Montana,
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  Speaker 2: and I didn't do very well. I think my first
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  Speaker 2: the first inning I pitched, I gave up like a
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  Speaker 2: grand slam. I'm like, this isn't fun. But I was
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  Speaker 2: seventeen years old. I was playing with a lot of
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  Speaker 2: college kids. You know. My first three years, I went
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  Speaker 2: from you know, from nineteen eighty four when I got drafted,
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  Speaker 2: and then my first spring training. I was like a
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  Speaker 2: baby giraffe. I grew from six to two to about
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  Speaker 2: six six and a half six seven within like a
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  Speaker 2: three four year, three two three year period, and then
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  Speaker 2: gained like fifty pounds, and I also gained like ten
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  Speaker 2: miles an hour on my fastball, and I had no
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  Speaker 2: idea where it was going, you know. So I go,
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  Speaker 2: I go my first spring training to the Dodgers, and
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  Speaker 2: I really didn't know how to throw a breaking ball.
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  Speaker 2: Everybody knows me for my big slider and all that,
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  Speaker 2: but back then I had no clue. And I had
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  Speaker 2: Don Drysdale, Sandy Cofax, Johnny podres Paranowski, the pitching coach.
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  Speaker 2: There was like five Hall of Fame, you know, guys
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  Speaker 2: who are trying to teach me how to throw a
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  Speaker 2: breaking ball. You know, Sandy Kofax comes up saying, hey,
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  Speaker 2: this is all held it. And he's not very big.
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  Speaker 1: What is he like?
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  Speaker 2: Five nine five ten? But his hand.
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  Speaker 3: But I will say this about Kofax, Nelly, he's not
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  Speaker 3: very tall. He's got the biggest hand, imaginable.
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  Speaker 2: Imaginable when he wraps it all around the baseball, and
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm six six, I can't. I'm not. There's
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  Speaker 2: no way I can wrap my hand around the baseball
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  Speaker 2: and throw a breaking ball like you. So then you
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  Speaker 2: know I work my way. You know, I played I
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  Speaker 2: think two and a half years whatever it is with
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  Speaker 2: the Dodgers, and I wound up getting rule five in
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  Speaker 2: a minor league, Rule five by Seattle. So I go
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  Speaker 2: to Seattle and I go to spring training, and and
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  Speaker 2: oh my goodness. Pat Dobson, the late Pat Dompson, he
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  Speaker 2: was the roving pitching instructor, and he finally came to
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  Speaker 2: me said, hey, listen. He showed me a grip on
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  Speaker 2: my breaking ball. And I always threw over top. I
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  Speaker 2: didn't throw three quarters back then, and then I just
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  Speaker 2: I just wound up sticking with that and it took
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  Speaker 2: a long time. You know, it took a long time.
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  Speaker 2: Through the minor leagues. I was always a starter, and
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  Speaker 2: you know, one year, it was nineteen ninety, I got
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  Speaker 2: sent back to a ball and Ross Grimsly wound not
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  Speaker 2: being my pitching coach, and he goes, hey, we're going
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  Speaker 2: to make you a closer. He said, well, you know
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  Speaker 2: they're starting days are numbered, and it was. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: I was one of those that I could always pitch
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  Speaker 2: every day, but it didn't my velocity didn't last or
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  Speaker 2: didn't you know, didn't go through. After three or four innings,
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  Speaker 2: it started dropping. And then I and then all of
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  Speaker 2: a sudden, I became a closer and it worked out.
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  Speaker 2: In ninety then nineteen ninety one, I go to I
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  Speaker 2: go to spring training and I go to Jacksonville and
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  Speaker 2: that's in Double A. That was for the Mariners. And
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  Speaker 2: I was always a big Denniscersly fan, and I used
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  Speaker 2: to all of a sudden, one day I went to
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  Speaker 2: I went on the side and said, hey, I want
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  Speaker 2: to start throwing like Denis Acersly, and I started to
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  Speaker 2: emulating him. So I started dropping down like three quarters,
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  Speaker 2: and all of a sudden, my fastball started moving. I
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  Speaker 2: was always about ninety two to ninety four. And then
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  Speaker 2: once I threw my first slider, Jim Campanis, who was
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  Speaker 2: Al Campanis, his grandson grandson was my catcher. He went
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  Speaker 2: out to catch it and I hit him right in
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  Speaker 2: the chest with my slider, and he goes, Okay, don't change.
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  Speaker 2: And that's how I led the organization and saves that
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  Speaker 2: year and went to Winter Ball and Puerto Rico, led
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  Speaker 2: Puerto Rico and saves, and then the next year, ninety two,
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  Speaker 2: I wound up being in the big leagues. I was like,
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  Speaker 2: why didn't I just be a reliever? You know, a
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  Speaker 2: long time I always.
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  Speaker 3: Wanted to be like first, you should have started earlier, Nelly,
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  Speaker 3: I think that I know the lesson.
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  Speaker 1: I just learned it.
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  Speaker 3: Hold on a second before we continue with it, now
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  Speaker 3: a lot of subscribers that ask questions directly to you.
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  Speaker 3: You've opened up like a million different doors for us
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  Speaker 4: Go ahead, justin Yeah so so, Chan asks Sonela. You
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  Speaker 4: were known for your great slider, and like many, had
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  Speaker 4: elbow surgery. What advice would you give the young pitchers
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  Speaker 4: about offspeed pitches?
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  Speaker 2: Well, if you were I, you know, I was involved
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  Speaker 2: with a lot of them youth baseball when I worked
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  Speaker 2: at MLB dot Com a number of years. We do
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  Speaker 2: all these tournaments. I would say, you know, it's tough
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  Speaker 2: to stay away from a breaking ball because that's what
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  Speaker 2: coaches love, and hitters can't hit it at nine, ten, eleven,
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  Speaker 2: twelve years old. If you can, there's other ways to
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  Speaker 2: manipulate the baseball, whether it's a two seam fastball to
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  Speaker 2: get it moved, get it to move, or even a
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  Speaker 2: change up. I would try to stay away with putting
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  Speaker 2: a lot of pressure on your elbow at an early
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  Speaker 2: age until you develop. You know, I didn't develop up
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  Speaker 2: in fully until I was twenty one years old. So
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  Speaker 2: these kids at eleven twelve years old, I mean, how
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  Speaker 2: are they that developed to be snapping off breaking balls
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  Speaker 2: every single pitch?
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  Speaker 4: I want to go back really quick on the slot
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  Speaker 4: because this is something that I'm intrigued by it and
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  Speaker 4: I'm kind of going back to just the change. So
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  Speaker 4: when you made that change and you started to get
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  Speaker 4: the the future of what you think in the slots,
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  Speaker 4: because a lot of guys are now moving around trying
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  Speaker 4: to figure out I mean, you know this, Nelly, but
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  Speaker 4: it just clicks and it goes. I'd love your thoughts
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  Speaker 4: on that and how that worked for you. And clearly
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  Speaker 4: a fifteen year big league career, you know you were
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  Speaker 4: you were so good, so effective. But what is if
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  Speaker 4: a player wants to do that, what is your advice
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  Speaker 4: on when to do that?
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  Speaker 2: Well, you can do it at any time, you know.
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  Speaker 2: If baseball is about adjustments anyway, you know matter even
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  Speaker 2: in the big leagues. I mean, perfect example is Kyrin Jr.
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  Speaker 2: How many times did he changed his stance throughout a year.
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  Speaker 2: I mean he never had the same stance for two
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  Speaker 2: weeks in a row. It was like this. Yeah, you're
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  Speaker 2: probably right, I mean, you know, so it every whatever.
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  Speaker 2: I changed at a late age only because I wasn't
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  Speaker 2: going anywhere and I was like, hey, let me try
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  Speaker 2: to throw like Dennis Ecrecy and see how that works.
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  Speaker 2: You know, you don't see very many guys like what
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  Speaker 2: is it Taylor or Tyler Watt Rogers sidearm writing it
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  Speaker 2: almost sets his hands, you know, his knuckles on the ground.
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  Speaker 2: You don't see many of those. That's that's something that
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  Speaker 2: probably develops later in life, but as far as you don't,
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  Speaker 2: and they also don't see a lot of guys that
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  Speaker 2: throw like the Blue Jays, Pistres, trey Ya Savig like
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  Speaker 2: way over top, almost like a canapul. You don't see
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  Speaker 2: a lot of those guys. Usually it's like somewhere, you know,
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  Speaker 2: somewhere in the three quarter angle, a little bit higher
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  Speaker 2: than the three quarter angle, not submarine, but somewhere around there.
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  Speaker 2: Like Sandy al Contra with the Marlins, he's about a
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  Speaker 2: three quarter angle because he gets a lot of movement
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  Speaker 2: on the baseball. I would say, you know, you change
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  Speaker 2: when things don't go well and you're like, okay, I
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  Speaker 2: really love this game. Okay, what can I do to
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  Speaker 2: make me better? Okay, whether it's a hitting stance, whether
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  Speaker 2: it's a young kid that you love a certain player,
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  Speaker 2: because most most kids, I would think that they look
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  Speaker 2: up to a big league player, and that's how they stand.
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  Speaker 2: If you look at a little league hitter and they're saying, oh, well,
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  Speaker 2: that looks like Albert Pools or whatever. They're always emulating
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  Speaker 2: their heroes. You know. So in less things aren't going well,
• 15:38
  Speaker 2: you know, then don't change. But if they are, I mean,
• 15:40
  Speaker 2: if they are going well, don't change. But if they
• 15:42
  Speaker 2: aren't going well, then hey, try something new. You never
• 15:45
  Speaker 2: know when all of a sudden something clicks in and
• 15:47
  Speaker 2: the next thing you know, you just like skyrocket or
• 15:49
  Speaker 2: move so fast through the organization and then you have
• 15:52
  Speaker 2: you have success.
• 15:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 15:54
  Speaker 3: No, So I was just in Omaha and it's it's remarkable.
• 15:57
  Speaker 3: And Justin knows this because he works with a lot
• 15:58
  Speaker 3: of guys that are either moving around or getting into school.
• 16:02
  Speaker 3: So many of these kids literally in college, who are
• 16:05
  Speaker 3: you'd think somewhat developed, will then change an armslot and
• 16:09
  Speaker 3: pick up two or three miles an hour and a
• 16:11
  Speaker 3: whole bunch of either horizontal carry or vertical break whatever.
• 16:15
  Speaker 3: So it is an evolving process. But I do want
• 16:19
  Speaker 3: to get to another question from our subscribers and our teammates,
• 16:24
  Speaker 3: and then go back to the idea of when when
• 16:27
  Speaker 3: you're not going well, you change it because you were
• 16:29
  Speaker 3: going great and you pitched with rivera who never seemed
• 16:32
  Speaker 3: to change anything. But here's one from Don. If you're
• 16:35
  Speaker 3: evaluating a high school picture today, one of the first
• 16:37
  Speaker 3: three things you look for before velocity even enters the conversation.
• 16:41
  Speaker 3: And I will say, if you think velocity is number one,
• 16:45
  Speaker 3: then feel free to answer it that way.
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: Well, you know everybody's going to look at velocity because
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: that's what they that's what you know, That's what baseball
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: looks at now, you know. Unfortunately you know, and that's
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: why I have a heart of time with every with
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: the way they clock the speed. Now it's all out
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: of the hand, and I know technology has just gone
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: through the roof. They're able to do that. They're able
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: to do the spin rate. You talk about vertical rise.
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: No baseball in history rises, but it stays on the
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: a vertical rise stays on the same plane. So when
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: you have a pitcher and he breaks down, the ball
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: doesn't come like what we were taught. You stand tall
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: over the rubber, and you want the ball to go
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: down in the zone. When we played, we never wanted
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: the ball up in his zone because we would get hammered.
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: You wanted to, you know, get the ball down on
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: the ground, and that way you get more grounds, you
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: get more swing, amiss and a lot of times now
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: these guys break down their back leg and you get
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: a little bit more of that even plane at the
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: top of the zone, and it stays a lot longer.
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: So that's what they call the vertical rise, right. But
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: as far as what I would see in high school,
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: you know, yes, Unfortunately, velocity is always going to be
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: there with me. I mean, I'll just take myself. You know.
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: My scout looked at my dad, and my dad was six',
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: four like two hundred and, forty two hundred and fifty,
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: pounds and he was a cop AND i didn't shave
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: UNTIL i was twenty. One so it was, Like, okay he, sees,
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: okay this kid's going to wind up being a big,
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: kid AND i probably and somehow he knew THAT i
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: was going to, be you, know develop into a big a,
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: bigger bigger person and maybe become a bigger player and
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: have have better, skills AND i, did SO i. WOULD
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: i would probably look at. Genetics you, KNOW i would
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: look at this kid and, say, hey you, know what
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: does his parents look, like where do they come, from
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: what kind of athletic ability do they? Have and THEN i,
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: say you know, what this kid might have a. Chance
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: every scout's going to. End i'm sure justin you probably
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: see the same thing that's going to look velocity, first
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: mechanics you can work. WITH i think that's something that
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: if you have it in high, school hey, Perfect but
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: that can be that can be. Taught, unfortunately it's not
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: taught at the big league level. ENOUGH i would like
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: to see a lot. More but you, know in high
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: school and college and all that stuff is a lot,
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: better you, Know SO i, WOULD i. WOULD i would
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: probably look at their genetics first and see what kind
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: of athletes they, are what kind of athletes their parents,
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: Were and, also you, know unfortunately, baseball you, know a
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: lot of sports are played year. Round you. KNOW i
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: love when kids play three different. Sports when they hit, football,
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: basketball and they hit, baseball and that way they're giving
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: their muscles at each sport a little bit of. Rest you,
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: KNOW i would kind of look at that as.
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: Well, yeah you preached to the choir on.
• 19:21
  Speaker 7: That, YEAH i like it.
• 19:24
  Speaker 4: NOW i mean there's a lot of there's just so
• 19:26
  Speaker 4: many pieces out of that THAT i think are. Important
• 19:28
  Speaker 4: and we were talking before we hopped on here About
• 19:31
  Speaker 4: Max meyer right with The, marlins and you were talking
• 19:33
  Speaker 4: about the mound, presence and THAT i gravitate towards guys
• 19:37
  Speaker 4: that control a, mound that have the, presence that feel
• 19:41
  Speaker 4: you watch them and from a mile away you can
• 19:44
  Speaker 4: see the confidence just ooze out of, them right they
• 19:47
  Speaker 4: strut around the mound after a punch. Out can you
• 19:49
  Speaker 4: talk a little bit for the youngsters about moulm presence
• 19:53
  Speaker 4: because you had a really good.
• 19:54
  Speaker 7: One there was a lot of confidence.
• 19:56
  Speaker 4: There can you Talk can you talk to the youngsters
• 19:59
  Speaker 4: in the high school and even the college guys about
• 20:01
  Speaker 4: how you can like improve the mound presence and how
• 20:04
  Speaker 4: you did?
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: THAT i think the one thing and then you know
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: a lot of players Like Derek jeter is always you
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: know baseball's baseball is a game of failure and the
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: key to success is how how do you is adversity
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: and how you get over your? Failures you, know three
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: three out of, ten you're you're AN. Mvp you, know
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: you have a below forty R a and you know
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: it's it's you're a superstar. Pitcher it's the adversity the
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: times that you don't do. Well it's easy to ride
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: that wave at the top of the wave when you're
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: just you, know you have a few shutout, innings or
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: you have a few starts in a row that you're
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: just you, know you're an on cloud. Nine it's the
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: times that you don't do, well and how do you?
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: React you, know you get hit a little bit on the,
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: mound how do you. React do you let it get
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: to you because if that happens and everything snowballs and
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: you wind up giving up five six runs and you're you,
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: know two innings and you're you're out of the. Game
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: or do you sit there and, say, hey, okay a
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: couple of, hits maybe there's an error behind, you whatever it,
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: is and you try to pick up that. Player it's
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: not easy as a. Youngster it's not easy as a
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: rookie in. Baseball that's the hardest thing to do is
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: try to get over. ADVERSITY i, mean a lot of
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: these kids go through high, school college and then they
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: get to pro, ball where college and high school they've
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: had nothing but. Success they've never. Failed they were the
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: most they were the most dominant player on all those.
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: Teams and then when you get in the minor, leagues
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: then you start failing because you start playing against guys
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: that are either better than you or the. Same and
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: then the big leagues it's the. Same it's all about you,
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: Know Max, meyer for, instance it's taken a little. BIT i,
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: mean he's a young. Kid what is he twenty seven years.
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: Old it takes a little bit to learn not to
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: show your emotion to the other team or to that
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: hitter if you're getting, hit if you don't have your,
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: stuff don't let them know. It and it's tough to,
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: do you. Know Mariano rivera was a perfect example of
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: never too, high never too. Low you, know you never
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: knew if he had a good game most of the
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: time was all you, know all the time was all
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: a good. Game but if he did have a bad,
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: game he didn't know that. Either you, KNOW i always
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: watched WHEN i, PLAYED i Watched David, Cone Randy johnson
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: And Roger, clemens AND i watched them all the. Time
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: right you, Know Randy johnson was on my teammate for
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: a number of, years and Then cohen And Roger clemens
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: became my. Teammate BUT i wanted to know how they,
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: pitched how they, worked you, know what they did to face,
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: hitters how they you, know If i'm going to stay
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: in the big, LEAGUES i want to throw like these,
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: guys OR i want to pitch like these guys and
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: try to intimidate hitters and not let the other team
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: know That i'm getting. Rattled and it's tough to do
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: because you can say, it but it's really it takes
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: a long time to.
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: Learn all, Right, nolly let's continue with the question. Here
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: we got one that comes in from let's Say Mark,
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: DAVIS i think is the one we're going to go.
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: To it, says you now watch baseball differently as an.
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: Analyst what's something fans think they understand about the game
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: that maybe they actually. Don't and that's a very good.
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: Question, yeah, well well one of them is the, speed
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: AND i think IT'S i think it's, tough AND i
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: don't know. Why maybe you guys have a better answer for.
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: THIS i don't know why all, this AND i know
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: technology is part of, it and how they can measure.
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: Velocity i've always had a hard time AND i think
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: it doesn't do it. Doesn't it's not a good lesson
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: for young kids to show when somebody's throwing on a
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: hundred miles an hour and all of a, sudden a
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: twelve year old, SAYS i better be able to throw
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: ninety some miles an hour BEFORE i even get looked.
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: At how DO i do? That they measure it out of.
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: Hand so somebody that's throwing one hundred miles an, hour
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: it's not one hundred miles an hour when it crosses a.
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: Plate AND i don't think fans understand. That they just
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: see one hundred or ninety nine up on the scoreboard
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: and it's it's about five or six miles an. Hour
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: the harder you, throw the more you take off crossing the.
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: Plate AND i just WISH i don't know why they do,
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: that BECAUSE i know. IT i know it probably hurts young,
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: kids it hurts high school. Kids and justin you're probably
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: involved in all, this and as far as the way you,
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: know you're scouting or whatever, it's you know these kids
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: are like. Velocity how DO i gain? It how DO
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: i gain? It and you know i'd rather see someone
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: be able to fill up the strike zone and learn
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: to pitch to both sides of the plate at ninety
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: two to ninety four miles an. Hour And i've seen
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: more guys have success like that than somebody rearing back
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: and trying to throw ninety eight miles an hour and
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: have no idea where the ball is.
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: Going, yeah Miss, justin you love.
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: This TODAY i was out playing pick a ball and
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: there was a little league game going on in the
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: field right next to WHERE i. Was SO i went
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: over there And i'm sitting there And i'm talking to
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: some mom AND i, said, wow you know what a neat.
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: Game and she, said that's my son out there who's.
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: Pitching AND i saw one, INNING i saw half an
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: in it before we had to go.
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: Home the bell was ringing for.
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: Dinner BUT i, said, well that is fantastic because you
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: know what your son is, doing which is so, important
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: throwing strikes like he's throwing. Striping he's, pitching he's throwing
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: the ball over the. Plate he clearly isn't, throwing you,
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: know seventy miles an. Hour and there's nothing more refreshing
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: or discouraging than somebody that gets a AT o two
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: and starts nibbling and ends up three two or trying
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: to like you just, Said nelly. Overthrowing so, YEAH i
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: did what Theo epstein And justin SAID i should do
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: WHEN i saw a litleague.
• 25:11
  Speaker 7: GAME i love.
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: It, yeah we, go, man there we.
• 25:16
  Speaker 7: GO i like. It, Yeah And nelly kind of going
• 25:18
  Speaker 7: back to the pitch.
• 25:20
  Speaker 4: Ability it's Something i'm here in way more now in
• 25:23
  Speaker 4: the last year to two. Years it's just maybe there's
• 25:26
  Speaker 4: a little bit of a flow back to the pitch,
• 25:29
  Speaker 4: ability especially at the college. Level and we're seeing this
• 25:31
  Speaker 4: right You ravy covering. It you, know you look into
• 25:34
  Speaker 4: the College World series and the different. Assortment now you
• 25:37
  Speaker 4: have the big arms with the big, velo no, doubt
• 25:40
  Speaker 4: but you have a lot of different types of pitchers in,
• 25:43
  Speaker 4: there and a lot of it comes down to the
• 25:46
  Speaker 4: secondary stuff, Too. Nelly, Right so that's a big thing for,
• 25:49
  Speaker 4: me is just understanding the feel for the. Pitches AND
• 25:52
  Speaker 4: i think as any young kid listening and any high school,
• 25:56
  Speaker 4: KID i, mean you have to have feel for the
• 25:58
  Speaker 4: secondary stuff. Too, nelly what was your development like with
• 26:03
  Speaker 4: that before we get to some more questions here from
• 26:05
  Speaker 4: our teammates, Here But what was your development like with
• 26:08
  Speaker 4: the secondary, stuff because you talked about the slider obviously
• 26:12
  Speaker 4: years was, dominant especially from the. Slot what was that
• 26:16
  Speaker 4: development like for you as you kind of entered into
• 26:19
  Speaker 4: pro ball in learning how to pitch.
• 26:21
  Speaker 7: With some of that secondary stuff that you.
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: Had, yeah a lot of. It WHEN i mean being six,'
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: six i mean you see a lot of. Tall pitchers
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: the toughest thing that they have or they is repeating.
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: Their mechanics and THAT'S something i worked on CONSTANTLY because i,
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: you KNOW whether i was, playing catch, YOU know i
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: would go down and a lot of times throw maybe
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: twenty twenty five minute, pitch bullpens just trying to repeat
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: my mechanics as that was the biggest thing that would throw.
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: Me off as LONG as i was mechanically sound over,
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: the rubber breaking my hands and all these different different
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: POINTS that i had to be able to, throw STRIKES
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: then i. Was okay but it, was constant. Constant practice
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: and that's WHY when i, Broadcast now i'm a big.
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: Mechanic guy whatever goes wrong at the plate always starts at.
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: The rubber and so whether it's not, staying back it's
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: not breaking, your hands that's something that always had to
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: concentrate with even with the breaking ball on, the slider
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: you always had to stay. On top you always had to,
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: stay back stay on top of. The baseball, You know
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: i'm sure it happens, in COLLEGE but i See more
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: major LEAGUERS and ravi you probably see it. As well
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: when you go through their arsenal and you have guys
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: that throw eight. Different pitches, i'm like are you? Kidding
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: me what are we doing with eight? Different pitches AND
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: how i don't care what kind of athlete. You are
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: how can you master eight? Different pitches there's. No way
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: why don't YOU pick i mean, Both FASTBALLS so i
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: consider two seam four seam fast it's. A fastball it's
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: nothing just as long as you stay on top of
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: the two seams going to move four seams usually going
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: to stay a little straight or it depends on your.
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: Release point but have, the fastball have, the slider, purball change,
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: you know have, four pitches master four pitches instead OF
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: oh i need, A cutter i need now they call it.
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: A sweeper, YOU know, I need i need a, CURVE
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: ball i need. A split, i mean these guys are
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: coming up, with, six, seven, eight nine different pitches and
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: they can't even master three. Of them, you know cut.
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: It out it's way, too many. You know you know
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: when somebody throws, a slider a cutter and, a sweeper
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: why you know that doesn't make sense. To me, you know,
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: for one there's no way that maybe one of those
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: pitches you might be able to. Throw consistently the other
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: two scrap them because they.
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: DON'T work i WANT to i really want to get
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: TO the i want to get To the mariana through.
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: One pitch and you you. Threw that you invented, the
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: sweeper and now everybody calls it. A SWEEPER but i
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: got a table that for. A second here's a good
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: one from Your Buddy, scotty brown, Who, says nellie it's been.
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: A minute if you could go back, in time what
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: would you tell The Rookie jeff nelson about his?
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: Journey?
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: Ahead wow oh, MY goodness I was i wash. My
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: wow that's THAT'S something i never. Thought about that That
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: was why does he have to answer that we Did
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: The Juco world series Out In, Grand junction, Colorado together SCOTTIE,
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: And i, oh yeah this is a long time agoating
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: that in two thousand and, fort yeah it was great.
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: Twenty FOURTEEN maybe i don't know when it.
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: Was Thirteen, so nelly you think about. That answer i'll
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: just tell the quick. Little stuff because one of the
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: things that they do With The College world series is
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: they'll sit the players down in the stands and they'll
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: give them, a phone like literally a, fake phone and
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: they will have the kids talk to themselves today, like,
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: saying hey, you know what is it about you being
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: At The world series that you didn't know ten years
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: ago when you Were playing? Little league and then they
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: start to say to themselves the hard work really, paid
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: off all those, long trips the times where the uniform didn't,
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: FIT well i didn't like, the coach and lo, and
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: behold here you, are pitching, you know for a national
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: championship or you've made It. To omaha so that's almost
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: the inverse of what they. Didn't know then this is
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: the question similar to that, of well what would you
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: tell your rookie self that you never would have thought
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: about through your journey to Being a mariner Or a
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: yankee or, you know some some other team at the
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: end of, your, career, like well what would what were
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: you most?
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: Surprised about maybe be a little bit SMARTER when i
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: spoke to the media ABOUT what I what. I said,
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: YOU know I sometimes i put my foot in, my
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: mouth maybe that maybe maybe a few things. Like that
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: but as far AS my i wish my journey in
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: the minor leagues were, a lot a, lot less but
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: it was always for. A REASON so i spent eight
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: years in the minor leagues for. A reason AND once
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: i got to the, big leagues, YOU know i was
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: finally THERE and i wasn't. GOING down i wasn't going
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: to let anybody send. ME down i always wanted to
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: always strive to be, the BEST and i didn't want.
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: TO watch i wanted to pitch in all every single.
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: Tough situation. YOU know i didn't want to, be that,
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: you know, back then the twenty fifth man on. THE
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: roster i wanted to be the first guy up into,
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: the BULLPEN and i wanted to, be in, you know
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: in any kind. Of SITUATION but i think just getting You,
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: because seattle we didn't have a lot. OF media, i
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: mean our three guys that would, covered us they put
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: on shorts AND a t shirt and shag during. Early
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: hitting so that was, our media and they weren't going to.
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: Write anything they weren't going to write anything poorly about
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: to play about. The players but once you Got To,
• 31:26
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  Speaker 4: That though now let's go back To the, MARINERS obviously
• 32:40
  Speaker 4: i mean some superstars that you. PLAYED with i get
• 32:43
  Speaker 4: to go to Ninety. Five man ninety five is one
• 32:45
  Speaker 4: of the iconic teams. In, History right it's one of
• 32:49
  Speaker 4: my favorite.
• 32:49
  Speaker 7: Teams all of.
• 32:50
  Speaker 4: ALL time i was a little kid at, the time
• 32:52
  Speaker 4: but just sort of. Riveting baseball the whole journey of
• 32:55
  Speaker 4: it was like gripping and there was a. Chemistry there
• 32:58
  Speaker 4: can you just share a little bit about that ninety
• 33:01
  Speaker 4: five team and what that was like inside?
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: The, clubhouse yeah, you know it was the best spring
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: training ever because we came off of Strike if west
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: spring training for, a reliever because it was only thirty
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: days and then all of a sudden we went right into.
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: The season, you know we always you Always Had, randy
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: johnson who was the best pitcher in. The game, You
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: Know Ken, griffey junior best player in. The game then
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: You Throw edgar martinez maybe the best right handed hitter in. The,
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: Game Yeah jay Bune Or. MIKE blawers, i mean so
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: we had a lot of, great Players And chris bosio,
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: was there it was one of our. Great starters we
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: kind of like hung around and this whole thing about, You.
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: Know seattle the local government, wasn't approving, you know didn't approve.
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: A stadium so Where was seattle going? To go and we, were,
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: all okay this is probably our last Year. In seattle
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: we were going to Go To saint pete and this
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: is we're going to be A rag we're going to
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: Be The devil rays. Back then and then all of,
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: a sudden Right, in july We Got, Vince coleman We Got,
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: Andy Bennis NORM charlton i think either came back to
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: us or was there, with us and all of a sudden.
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: We started, you know we always had a great team
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: as far, as chemistry and We Had, lou PANELLA who
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: i think should Be a Hall of famer and he
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: was one of the best Managers that i've ever played
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: for Him And, joe tory and, you know there was,
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: one time and it Was. IN august i think it
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: was like in the Beginning of august that we had
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: a team meeting in the weight room and we went
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: around and everybody was there and, you know, you look
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: you have the fastest guy Now In. Vince coleman it
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: was incredible at his age to watch him over at
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: first base and how he knew when pitchers were coming
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: over in. Steel bases AND then i Think the angels
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: HAD maybe i know it was a DOUBLE digit i
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: don't know whether it was twelve or fifteen game lead,
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: over us and we just, started playing playing as, a
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: team and all of, a Sudden the kingdome, back then
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: we just started getting more and more people coming in to.
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: Watch us and that was the loudest stadium that ever
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: been a. PART of, i mean you had forty fifty some,
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: thousand people and we just started playing really well together
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: and all of, a Sudden the angels started falling and
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: we just started feeding off of. The atmosphere and in
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: that year we had We Lost Ken griffey JUNIOR for
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: i think. Two months he went made a catch in
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: center field broke. His ankle and we had a Guy
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: Named alex diaz that played center field and played a great.
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: Center field so defensively we really didn't lose a. Whole,
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: lot offensively we obviously, we did but the guys, stepped up,
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: you know the guy, you know different players just stepped
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: up at, certain times and, you know we, wound up,
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: you know going all the way to those last. Four
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: games they were Playing, the A's the, angels were we Were,
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: playing texas and all we had to do was like
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: win one. Or whatever they Swept the a's and we
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: had that one game playoff and it was the most
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: exciting time, because nobody nobody on our team. Or not
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: maybe a couple guys have to had, playoff experience but
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: everybody else is all NEW and i and that run
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: Helped keep seattle or Helped keep Mariners in Seattle base it. Was, exciting.
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah kept, it there and then of course next year
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: you're pitching for the, other team and then you go
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: on this run Of Four.
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: World series what what led To The new?
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: York deal and how difficult was it to leave what
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: was Ninety? Five mariners and you probably Knew the yankees
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: were damn good because of what they did in nineteen,
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: Ninety five and You Mentioned, joe, Tory like i'm just
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: curious what it's like. For again and this speaks to
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: parents whose kids have to transition from one team, to
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: another one school.
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: To another, you know how how do you? Do that
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: how do you make? It comfortable or who helps you make?
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: It? Work, yeah well you know back then. We didn't,
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: you know you had to make. It WORK and i
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: loved Pitching In. NEW york i loved. The atmosphere, you
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: know it was just chaotic every time you took the
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: mound or even in the outfield during. Batting practice it
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: was just An old. Yankee stadium it was just a.
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: Special place and even as a VISITOR before i Came,
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: a YANKEE when i Was, in Seattle and seattle had
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: a large, fan base so they would do these caravans
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: and they would Go, to canada they would Go, to
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: idaho they would Go, to oregon and they also Went.
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: To ALASKA and i went to every SINGLE caravan i Lived,
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: in seattle and THE one i never went To. Was
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: Alaska So dan WILSON and i we WENT right i
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: think was Sometime. In november we Went to Fairbanks and
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: anchorage and our last Stop was Juno, the capitol and
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: then there were three. Of us It Was, tina, martinez
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: Myself And, mike blowers and the papers kept, saying, that
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: well one of them has to go because the other
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: two were eligible for arbitration and they're not going to
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: be able to afford. All Three So mike blowers got
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: traded right away To. The DODGERS so, i, Figured okay
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: TINA and i, were staying and we're going, to have,
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: you know be able to come back and see if
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: we can go a little. Bit further and then all of,
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: a sudden all of, a sudden my last day on,
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: THAT caravan i get a Call From, bob watson who
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: WAS a gm From, the yankees And Then woody woodward
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: who WAS a gm For, the mariners, and said we
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: just traded. For YOU and i still had one day
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: left on, the caravan, you know SO, so i, you
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: KNOW was. I happy, YOU know, i guess, you know
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: you could have gone to. Worse PLACES and i, Was,
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: Like wow i'm going to Become. A yankee we just
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: beat them in. The PLAYOFFS so i, was like, you
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: Know if i'm gonna, have traded you might as well
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: get traded. To THEM so i WENT and I Asked
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: bob watson because he was the. LAST call, i, Said
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: listen i'm on a marin. HER caravan, i, SAID okay
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: i have one. More day, you know because we spoke
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: with kids. In RADIO so i went up finishing the
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: caravan As. A yankee and then, you know, so yeah
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: and then you keep hearing About the, tino thing and,
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: you know it was Like, LOU panella i guess Went
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: To tino martinez, and, said hey, you Know the mariners
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: are going to. Trade you are there certain teams that
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: you would like to? Go TO and I think tino Picked,
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: the Yankees the cubs and there was, another team and
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: being being A former Yankee, with panela he tried to
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: make that happen and, he DID and I think i
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: loo from what he was. Telling me, he, SAID well
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: i had no idea that you were going to, be
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: involved and all of, a Sudden when tino, got traded the,
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: next thing you. Were added he, was like are you?
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: KIDDING me i didn't want that, to happen, HE said
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: I knew tina, was going BUT then i go To
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: the inkies and it's a bunch of GUYS that i.
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: Faced Before and TINA and i played together from nineteen
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: eighty nine all the way to, two thousand, you know
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: so we were teammates for a, long time so that part.
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: Was easy but it was a little bit different going
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: and putting the pinstripes on with all the history and
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: and that that was, you know that was that was
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: some knee knocking, right there going to spring training and
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: putting the. Pinstripes on i'm sure.
• 39:26
  Speaker 7: That's cool.
• 39:27
  Speaker 4: That's cool LET'S let's i appreciate the thought, On that
• 39:30
  Speaker 4: nelly and all. The backgrounds there's obviously so many stories.
• 39:33
  Speaker 4: WITHIN that i want to get to another teammate question
• 39:36
  Speaker 4: here as we kind of flow. Through This so, royce
• 39:40
  Speaker 4: asked is it True the yankees bullpen had a game
• 39:42
  Speaker 4: called pass it on where you. Guys smacked you guys
• 39:45
  Speaker 4: got smacked in that you got the clap after.
• 39:48
  Speaker 7: Big, PLAY.
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: Oh i wonder. TO know i want to know how
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: he found that out because that. Was usual It's like
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: vegas in. The bullpen whatever happens down there, stage there,
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: That's right but that that all Happened When john wetland
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: was down in. The bullpen so, you know as, a
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: reliever you're, you know you were always the. Setup guys
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: that was, either seventh d, eighth inning or say sometimes. Sixth
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: innings so you paid attention to the, you know the first,
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: five innings but you, really didn't but you, you know
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: so we always had a game if if something positive
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: happens with, our team you had, to clap and you
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: kind of either either. Golf clap you didn't want a
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: loud one because you wanted to see if the, other
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: team your other you other bullpen guys would. Do it
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: and if, somebody didn't then all of, a sudden, You
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: Know john wetland or somebody else would either slap him
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: in the face because you had to do it. Right
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: away and if you didn't do it, right away then
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: then all of a sudden it was like pass, it down,
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: you know all of a sudden that guy would get
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: slapped or you take him and you just throw him
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: up against. The wall it's like. Stupid stuff. You know
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: we would flick seeds at, each other but we would
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: like there was a lot of reindeer games that aren't
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: our Bullpen Coast tony klotager he had his back turned
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: to his NonStop at least through the first five or,
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: six innings and he didn't want to know anything about
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: what went on? Behind?
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: Him, right hey let me Ask. This nelly you know You,
• 41:12
  Speaker 3: mentioned wetland You had. Rivera there money is generally reserved
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: for like, starting pitching like that's what it always was,
• 41:20
  Speaker 3: in baseball and yet you seem to really relish. This
• 41:23
  Speaker 3: role maybe That's where torri. Wanted you Obviously with, rivera's
• 41:26
  Speaker 3: success you weren't going to be the closer there for
• 41:31
  Speaker 3: parents whose kids are not going to be, the star
• 41:33
  Speaker 3: but they're going, to be, you know the number two or.
• 41:36
  Speaker 3: Three pitcher how did you go about accepting your role
• 41:39
  Speaker 3: and then perfecting your role when MAYBE and i don't
• 41:42
  Speaker 3: want to put words in, your mouth but it's not
• 41:44
  Speaker 3: exactly THE role i thought i'd. BE in, I like
• 41:47
  Speaker 3: i never started the game in the? Major LEAGUES am
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: i going to do that?
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: One? Time YEAH well i closed in the minor leagues
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: and THEN when i went on my first big, league
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: year my schooler was a closer For the MARINERS and
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: i but, YOU know i loved coming in with MENTAL
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: base i loved coming in when there when there was.
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: Presser situations we didn't come in a lot of times
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: when it WAS grand, Boyd Myself Mike Stanton. Merro mendoza,
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: you know, those guys we we we never really came
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: in with, clean innings and we we loved setting up
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: the best pitcher in, the game and That Was. Mariano rivera,
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: you know it does take a certain mentality pitch the.
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: Ninth inning it takes a certain mentality to pitch the
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: ninth Inning In, new york, you know not and you
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: know it might be a little bit easier, somewhere else
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: but not back AT THE I O. Yankee stadium it was.
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: Very DIFFICULT when i was a. Free agent, YOU know
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: i had a chance to go to other places, and
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: CLOSE but i DIDN'T because i wanted. To win, YOU
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: know i loved going to. THE playoffs i loved winning
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: and either that that Time, was hey your role is
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: the seventh and eighth inning to get tough right. Handers out,
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: you know whether It Was joe Torri Or, lou panella
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: they KNEW that i was the guy to. DO that
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: i relished THAT and i handed it over to, the
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: closer you Know those, you know we had twenty, five
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: guys and every single guy knew their role on, the
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: team whether it was a role player Like A darryl
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: strawberry Or cecil field or when. They didn't when we,
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: got them we didn't play. A whole, i mean they
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: were like, utility players and they accepted that because when
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: they had, Their Opportunity, charlie hayes when they had, their opportunity,
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: you know they made the best. Of it and SO
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: when i got called in the seventh or, EIGHTH inning i, Was,
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: Like okay i'm going to try to do, my JOB
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: and i. ENJOYED it i loved IT because i wanted
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: to WIN and i could have closed, somewhere ELSE but
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: i probably wasn't going.
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: To win, Good answer, great.
• 43:34
  Speaker 4: ANSWER man i want to, ask, you Obviously having Ben
• 43:38
  Speaker 4: in seattle and Going To new york totally star, studded,
• 43:42
  Speaker 4: teams right what was it like around all of? THE
• 43:47
  Speaker 4: superstars i mean we're talking about some of the megas
• 43:50
  Speaker 4: STARS in mlb history that you got a chance to.
• 43:53
  Speaker 4: Play with what was that like as a teammate was
• 43:57
  Speaker 4: it was it something where those guys were treated different
• 44:01
  Speaker 4: or you felt different, about them or did they kind
• 44:04
  Speaker 4: of blend themselves in really well and make you feel
• 44:07
  Speaker 4: like they were a part of.
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: The, team yeah everybody. Blended in, you know we had
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: such great chemistry in. Both places, you Know, with seattle
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: it was very easy to play because the media level
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: was not not as High As. New york the pressures
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: to win wasn't high as High As new york because
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: then they didn't make the playoffs. Very often in two
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: thousand and one when we won one hundred and sixty,
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: sixteen games, you know each ye row was a rookie
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: and just, witnessing that, you know and. Spring training it Was,
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: like elvis but he blended in and we knew we
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: had tons. Of superstars but, you, know EVERYBODY like, i
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: mentioned everybody did their job and you were. A superstar
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: i guess in that inning that you pinched and you
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: had a superstar at shortstop or wherever. It was but
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: we had great. Team chemistry and baseball is different than
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: other sports that, you know you just can't have one
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: guy dominate. And win you need multiple guys to try
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: to win, a game and, you know one superstars not
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: going to. Do It In, new york, you Know mister
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: starman are always tried to do the best to make,
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: you know whoever, it was to try to get his
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: team to win for. THE city i guess you. REALLY
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: don't i really, didn't know like our first we had
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: the twenty year reunion of the ninety, six team and
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: we all went out to our positions and we knew
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: we had superstars and We had hall of famers over,
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: the years, you know Getting the Hall. Of fame but
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: until you stand on the mountain all of, a sudden
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: you look around that infield and you're looking Into the,
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: yankee dugout The, present yankees and then the team that's
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: Into visiting dugout and hopefully, they realize like hopefully they
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: see these guys that are standing out on this in
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: this field, and, like wow that is an. Incredible TEAM
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: because i, SAID that, I mean i'm sitting there. Looking around,
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: I'M like i didn't realize we were. That good and
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: look at all these PLAYERS that i. PLAYED with, I
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: mean i'm Playing with hall of famers that, you know
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: you don't realize it until you're, done playing until you
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: go back twenty years after.
• 45:55
  Speaker 3: You, Retire gee michael did a good job putting, teams
• 45:58
  Speaker 3: Together and, CASSY saying i mean he did a. Great
• 46:01
  Speaker 3: job here's a question From. From ben, he said in,
• 46:04
  Speaker 3: your opinion Do The brewer scouts do better than others
• 46:08
  Speaker 3: to consistently find top. Pitching talent what what is the
• 46:12
  Speaker 3: Miss Uh? Mizerowski jacob what does he do best to stay?
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: Well dominant, MY goodness i guess when they.
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  Speaker 1: DON'T change a, good answer, Don't, change yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Don't change but when he went when he had five
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: starts and Maybe The all, STAR team i guess That's
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: uh and, he's, saying well this is why because he's
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: such a. Dominant guy it it means that you know
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: what amazes me with teams like you take the race
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: because every single year they move a player or a
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: few and, you're, like okay they're last. Place team there's
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: no way they're going to be able. To compete how
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: in the heck do they? Do it, YOU know i
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: got to Talk To kevin cash one TIME and i was.
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: Asking him, he said you, know what they go through
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: the year and they weed out some of the guys
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: that they, think that, you know probably it's not going
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: to help, us win or we want a. Different philosophy
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: and we got to like a swing. A myths, you
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: know they were a team that really doesn't strike out a. Whole,
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: lot well they got to got rid of like three
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: guys that had what one hundred and fifty almost two
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: hundred strikeouts and, they, say okay we need more on,
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: base guys and we need. More Contact the brewers the,
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: same way, you know they trade away, A, damis okay
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: well are they going? To not are they going to be?
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: That good and all of a sudden they come, out with,
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: You know peralto they trade a? Peralta, away okay how
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: are in the heck are they going to? Do this
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: and here. They are, you know it's teams like that
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: that you sit there and scratch their head and you're
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: like their minor league system and their scouting team has
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: to be unreal to be able to keep continuing to
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: compete and when nobody really gives them. A chance, I
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: mean i didn't think that these guys and what they're
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: rais And the brewers are going to do what. They're
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: doing even look At. The cardinals look What the cardinals
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: are doing for, another purpose.
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: They had a few.
• 47:46
  Speaker 3: DOWN years, i Mean the guardians are another example. Of
• 47:49
  Speaker 3: That the guardians are always they're always. Really good but
• 47:51
  Speaker 3: just justin Knows the brewers as well, as anybody why
• 47:54
  Speaker 3: do they keep?
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: Having? Success?
• 47:55
  Speaker 4: MISS yeah I mean i think in my experience in,
• 47:58
  Speaker 4: THE organization i think you talk about systems and you
• 48:01
  Speaker 4: talk about people in relying on the people and, the
• 48:04
  Speaker 4: systems and the word that always comes to mind for
• 48:08
  Speaker 4: me is they have such a strong identity in what,
• 48:12
  Speaker 4: they're doing and so they're so confident in what they're
• 48:16
  Speaker 4: doing that there's no waffling around with what's important to
• 48:21
  Speaker 4: them and. What's not they know exactly what they're trying,
• 48:24
  Speaker 4: to do and it is across. The organization you could
• 48:27
  Speaker 4: talk to someone in, player development you can talk to someone.
• 48:30
  Speaker 4: In scouting it. Doesn't matter it's going to be the
• 48:32
  Speaker 4: same sort, of talk. Same conversation it's going to be, around.
• 48:35
  Speaker 4: Culture identity they know exactly what they want, to do
• 48:39
  Speaker 4: and they place an emphsis on. Different things they're for
• 48:41
  Speaker 4: one thing and scouting as. An example not to get
• 48:44
  Speaker 4: into it, too much but one of the things is
• 48:47
  Speaker 4: is you know, the, Model right they have a model
• 48:49
  Speaker 4: that they work, off of and on base percentage is
• 48:51
  Speaker 4: really critical. For them so a player in college that has,
• 48:55
  Speaker 4: a great, you, know year that also has a skyrocketed
• 48:59
  Speaker 4: on base percentage because they get good at bats and
• 49:01
  Speaker 4: they walk a lot and they're on base a lot
• 49:03
  Speaker 4: and they score a lot. Of runs that's intriguing to
• 49:06
  Speaker 4: them and the organization as a, whole though top, to
• 49:09
  Speaker 4: bottom it is. A culture they have a culture. Of
• 49:12
  Speaker 4: winning now they know what they're trying. To do they
• 49:14
  Speaker 4: do feel like. It's replaceable they feel like they can
• 49:17
  Speaker 4: lose someone here and there and bring. Somebody in but
• 49:20
  Speaker 4: it's it's. The people it's a phenomenal organization top. To
• 49:24
  Speaker 4: bottom they're, great HUMANS but, i mean what they're doing.
• 49:27
  Speaker 4: IS phenomenal I don't i don't think they get enough
• 49:29
  Speaker 4: credits honestly nationally for what. They do year and you're
• 49:34
  Speaker 4: out and keep losing guys and keep replacing them like they.
• 49:37
  Speaker 7: Have been it's just been a. Remarkable.
• 49:39
  Speaker 3: Run yeah and the way they get the way they
• 49:41
  Speaker 3: will get that credit is winning a, world series which
• 49:44
  Speaker 3: has not happen.
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  Speaker 2: To.
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  Speaker 1: That, yeah YEAH.
• 49:46
  Speaker 3: No A so i got to go back to it
• 49:48
  Speaker 3: here because we got just a couple of. Minutes left
• 49:50
  Speaker 3: you mentioned, you know in, your world if something, isn't working,
• 49:54
  Speaker 3: you know you try to. Change IT and i know there,
• 49:56
  Speaker 3: are tinkerers. You Know tiger woods is maybe the greatest
• 49:59
  Speaker 3: example of a due that was winning everything by twelve
• 50:01
  Speaker 3: shots and decided to continue to try to. Change things
• 50:05
  Speaker 3: you threw in, a sense, two pitches but one that,
• 50:07
  Speaker 3: everybody Knows and rivera threw. One pitch And when Buck
• 50:11
  Speaker 3: show walter comes on dirt from, the dugout he will
• 50:14
  Speaker 3: explain that, that pitch, the cutter was found by mistake
• 50:18
  Speaker 3: in the dug in a bullpen, one day literally. By
• 50:21
  Speaker 3: mistake so what happens when you do have something that
• 50:23
  Speaker 3: no one seems to be able?
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: To hit do you just stick?
• 50:27
  Speaker 3: With it are you sitting on the, mound wondering when
• 50:29
  Speaker 3: the heck is somebody going to figure? This out or
• 50:32
  Speaker 3: do you just lean? Into it And obviously mariotto and
• 50:35
  Speaker 3: you seem to lean. Into it how difficult?
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: Is, that well it's a lot easier, For mo, i'm
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: thinking because you know he threw, a cutter and from
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: his relief the way he released. THE ball, i mean
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: it's funny because you can sit there and tell and
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: try to, teach pitchers and bowl will try to teach
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: pitchers and, show, them hey this IS how i threw,
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: my cutter and you can do the. Same mechanics but
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: everybody has a different release point and it's not going
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: to come out of your hand. The SAME and i
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: would sit There and, it's like how in the heck
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: does he get away with just one pitch and he's
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: so good, at it and you would watch managers pinch
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: hit lefties. Against him, i'm, like well this. Is firewood
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: he's breaking this guy's back every, single, time right, you
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: know you know, WITH me I guess i had a
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: really big slider and that Was my that was my go.
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: To PITCH but i also had to throw my fastball,
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: a lot and we had to throw. ESPECIALLY writings i
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: had to throw in to get them off my slider
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: because it was. So big so it was a little,
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: bit DIFFERENT and i always had to, make sure, YOU
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: know i. Was mechanically moe was. So smooth he's talk
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: about hardly any flalls in. HIS motion, i mean he
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: had such great mechanics and was such, a great, great fielder.
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: Great athlete he was probably, you know we would shag.
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: Fly balls HIM and i were power shag during. Batting
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: practice he was better. THAN careful i know he got
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: hurt at, one time, you know. He would he was
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: probably one Of the he was probably our best outfielder,
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: as well but it was it's he marbles anyone and
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: then you just watch him how he, carries himself AND
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: like i, mentioned earlier, you know nothing ever seemed to.
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: Bother him you didn't know if he saved. THE game
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: i mean when, you lose when you your first year
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: is a closer, ninety seven and all of a sudden
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: you lose against the, you know give up a home
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: Run To sandy alomar in, the playoffs and that doesn't.
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: Bother you and even after two thousand, and one when
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: he gives up the Hit To, luis gonzales and that
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: still doesn't. Bother you and he comes back and continues to.
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: Do it you know that NOBODY else i don't think
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: can ever.
• 52:29
  Speaker 3: Do, That, Yeah royalty, All, right jeff we we do
• 52:32
  Speaker 3: the thing called the. Kitchen sink this is sort of.
• 52:34
  Speaker 3: Rapid fire four questions that may or may not have
• 52:37
  Speaker 3: really anything to do. With baseball i'll ask the, first
• 52:39
  Speaker 3: one Then justin wi last the, next one favorite food
• 52:41
  Speaker 3: City between Seattle And. New york, and why.
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: Oh that's Tough because i'm a big seafood guy and a.
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: SALMON guy i, love salmon and.
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: There's Nohing Like west.
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: Coast.
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: Salmon seattle you win, that one, all right? Go ahead.
• 52:56
  Speaker 4: Simple one most famous non baseball celebrity in one of.
• 52:59
  Speaker 7: Your club now you got a chance. To meet.
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: There was a lot of them Being In. NEW york
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: i mean they came through all. The time But We
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: richard dreyfust. Came in it was Funny Because richard dreyfuss
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: came into our locker room and somebody. Went back then
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: when we had, cassette tapes somebody went back and got
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: jawls and put it by. The door and then Then So,
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: new york we had tons. Of them so we got
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: We Got. Lucky dryfu this is a. Great one that's a.
• 53:23
  Speaker 3: Good one, all right here's the next one for YOU
• 53:25
  Speaker 3: in la if not baseball for, a career what do
• 53:28
  Speaker 3: you think you would? Have done and not broadcasting because
• 53:30
  Speaker 3: you did, That after but if we were going to,
• 53:32
  Speaker 3: play baseball what were you going?
• 53:33
  Speaker 2: To, do well my dad was a COP and i
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: wanted to BE.
• 53:36
  Speaker 5: An.
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: Fbi wow, REALLY yeah i would have went to. Law,
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: enforcement okay, good.
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: Answer, INTIMIDATED yeah i.
• 53:45
  Speaker 7: Was ready so what was your motivation behind getting? Into
• 53:48
  Speaker 7: broadcasting you.
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: Know WHEN i'm i had a radio Show in SEATTLE
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: when i played For the mariners from one TO when
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: i came BACK and i had my own show For
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: every Tuesday was tuesdays but NOW and i would watch
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: Guys Like carl RAVITCH and i would sit there in
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: the clubhouse for the first INNING and i would listen
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: to listen to the broadcasters and a lot, of them
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: a lot, of them, you know sometimes they, would bother,
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: you know they would bug you because they never played.
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: The Game, NOT carl, I mean rabbi is a, great
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: ONE but i, you know they would they they didn't
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: teach the, game WELL and i wanted to always teach.
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: The game one of my two of my favorite ones
• 54:23
  Speaker 2: Were The, White Sox tom Patorik. AND harrelson i love
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: listening to. Those guys, you know they, were homers but
• 54:32
  Speaker 2: they were exciting and they loved the. OTHER team i
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: will to get, into, it yes, YOU know i JUST
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: loved i, WAS like i want to be able to teach.
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: The game i'd, like Analytics but i'd rather explain what's
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: going to happen and what, could happen why this guy
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: did a great job or not a. Great job, YOU
• 54:51
  Speaker 2: know i just want to, YOU know i want to
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: be a teacher in the booth instead of a fifty
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: percent of the time this guy goes and blows his
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: nose in between the second and You know i'd rather not. Do.
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: That, right well you've, done, it really you've done it
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: really well on.
• 55:04
  Speaker 3: This show just one quick bonus question because we don't
• 55:07
  Speaker 3: get a guy that's Won For world. Series rings how
• 55:10
  Speaker 3: important in your life Were The world? Series rings, you
• 55:14
  Speaker 3: know how do those change?
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: Your, life well it changes as far as Going Around.
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: NEW york, i mean you know nowadays at sixty six
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: is hard to. Hide anyway but when you win, TWO
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: thousand i think. We won i've been to five, of
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: them and the one you remember the most is ONE
• 55:32
  Speaker 2: and o three when we Lost. To MARLINS but i
• 55:34
  Speaker 2: mean we Beat the mets in, two thousands so that's
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: probably my my. Favorite one but just winning and Winning
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: The world series and Being, a yankee you never, got
• 55:42
  Speaker 2: tired and you again ever. Got complacent you had an
• 55:44
  Speaker 2: owner that wouldn't. Let you but, THE excitement, i mean
• 55:48
  Speaker 2: look At. The knicks, YOU know i was sitting THERE
• 55:49
  Speaker 2: and i was glued TO. The tv i'm not A big,
• 55:51
  Speaker 2: nba FAN but i was glued TO the tv With,
• 55:54
  Speaker 2: the knicks and just, you know when, THEY won i,
• 55:57
  Speaker 2: was like you, Know what i've been there for different
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: times and the city's just electric and these guys are
• 56:03
  Speaker 2: going to have. A, ball yeah.
• 56:05
  Speaker 3: You know how it changes. Your life, hey man you.
• 56:07
  Speaker 3: Were great you taught a lot during. This hour thanks
• 56:09
  Speaker 3: for being with us for. The hour our teammates benefited
• 56:12
  Speaker 3: from it and We really i'm gratefully you.
• 56:14
  Speaker 2: Joined, us noie, Thanks, man hey thanks for having me my.
• 56:16
  Speaker 2: Pleasure anytime we.
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: Appreciate it but you take care. Of yourself