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Netflix's Monster Season 3 Has Cast The Perfect Actor To Portray This Killer · Murder Files Unsealed

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  Speaker 1: All right, everybody, welcome back for another deep dive. And
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  let me tell you this one's a doozy.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. We're waiting into some pretty dark waters with this one.
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  Speaker 1: You know how Netflix loves a good well maybe not good,
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  how about intense true crime story.
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  Speaker 2: They definitely know how to pick them, that's for sure.
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  Speaker 1: This time they're really up in the ante get this. Yeah,
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  Monster is coming back right new season.
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  Speaker 2: Can't wait to see what they cook up next.
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  Speaker 1: And the subject only Ed freaking Gain.
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  Speaker 2: Whoa Okay, Now that's a name I haven't heard in
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  a while.
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  Speaker 1: And if that wasn't wild enough, they've cast Charlie Hunham
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  to play him.
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  Speaker 2: Jax Teller as Ed gann talk about rain that was.
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  Speaker 1: My first thought. Hunt them really, It's like Sons of
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  Anarchy was intense, but this this is a whole other level.
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  Speaker 2: It's a bold choice, that's for sure.
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  Speaker 1: So for anyone who maybe missed the memo on Monster,
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  it's been.
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  Speaker 2: Kind of a phenomenon, to say the least. That Dummer season,
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  everyone and their mother was glued to the screen.
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  Speaker 1: Right exactly, and it got people talking, which is, you know,
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  part of what we try to do here too, dig
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  into the story behind the headlines.
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  Speaker 2: There's always more to it than meets the eye, especially
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  with true crime one hundred percent.
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  Speaker 1: So with ed Gein, I mean, where do you even begin.
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  The guy's like the godfather of horror movie villains.
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  Speaker 2: Psycho Texas, Chainshaw, Jessacer, Silence of the Lambs, all of
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  them owe a debt to good old Eddie.
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  Speaker 1: It's kind of mind blowing when you think about it.
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  One guy from what was it, rural Wisconsin, small town Wisconsin.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, proof that truth is often stranger and way more
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  disturbing than fiction.
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  Speaker 1: So hun, I'm taking on a role like this. I mean,
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  on the one hand, he's got that tough guy thing down.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, he can definitely play intense. But Gine he
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  was different.
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  Speaker 1: That's putting it mildly. I mean, what was it about
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  Geen's crimes that set him apart from other killers? Because,
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  let's face it, true crime is full of horrific stories.
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  Speaker 2: It's true, but Geen he tapped into something primal, something
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  that still makes people shudder.
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  Speaker 1: So what was it? Spill the tea? What exactly did
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  they find at that farmhouse?
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  Speaker 2: Imagine walking into a nightmare. Seriously, you've got lampshades, but
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  They're not made of you know, fabric, They're made of
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  human skin.
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  Speaker 1: Oh god, okay, yeah that tracks with what.
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  Speaker 2: I've heard, and it gets worse. Chairs upholstered inhuman skin,
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  belts made from well, let's just say body parts.
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  Speaker 1: It's like someone took the most mess up horror movie
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  script and said, hold my beer, I'm gonna make it real.
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  Speaker 2: Pretty much, and that's why Geen has had such a
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  lasting impact. He blurred the lines between reality and nightmare
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  in a way that still freaks people out.
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  Speaker 1: And now Monster is about to bring all that back
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  into the spotlight. I have to admit as a true
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  crime fan myself, part of me is morbidly curious, but
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  another part of me is like, do we really need
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  to go there?
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  Speaker 2: It's a fair question, But I think that's the thing
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  about true crime. It's like staring into the abyss.
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  Speaker 1: Except in this case, the abyss is wearing a skin
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  suit and drinking a beer out of someone's skull.
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  Speaker 2: You've got to hand it to Netflix. They know how
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  to pick them. It's true what they say. Sometimes the
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  truth is a lot weirder than anything you could make.
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  Speaker 1: Up, a lot more disturbing.
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  Speaker 2: In Gain's case, no arguments there.
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  Speaker 1: So how do we even start to unpack this guy?
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  Where did it all begin? What made ed Gein well?
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  Ed Gein Well?
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  Speaker 2: He was born in nineteen oh six in Plainfield, Wisconsin.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, So, like we said, rural Wisconsin, heartland America, the works.
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  Speaker 2: Picture it, turn of the century, small town, isolated, very
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  much a product of his environment.
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  Speaker 1: And what about his family? Was there something off about
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  his childhood? Oh?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, the family was a troubled is putting it mildly.
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  His dad was an alcoholic and his mother, let's just say,
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  she had some interesting views on the world.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, interesting, How spill it?
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  Speaker 2: She was a religious fanatic, deeply disturbed by anything she
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  considered sinful, especially when it came to women and sexuality.
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  Speaker 1: WHOA, Okay, so we're talking some serious repression going on there,
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  and Gin grew up with that.
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  Speaker 2: Steeped in it. She would drill these ideas into him
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  day in and day out, about the evils of the flesh,
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  the wickedness of women.
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  Speaker 1: So are we saying that she basically warped his whole
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  view on women.
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  Speaker 2: It's impossible to say for sure, but it's definitely a
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  huge piece of the puzzle. And then there's the whole
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  thing with his brother.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, there were rumors right about his brother's death.
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  Speaker 2: It's one of the murkiest parts of the whole case.
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  So in nineteen forty four, his brother died in a fire. Okay,
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  Gong was there, And while the official story was that
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  it was an accident, there were always whispers that Ging
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  was involved exactly. Some people believe Guin might have started
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  the fire, either deliberately or accidentally. Either way, it adds
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  another layer of creakiness to the whole thing.
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  Speaker 1: That's an understatement. It's like this whole other tragedy lurking
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  in the background. So we've got this isolated upbringing, a
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  deeply troubled family life, a mother with some seriously messed
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  up views. No wonder Geen ended up well the way
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  he did.
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  Speaker 2: You'd almost think they're making a movie about it.
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  Speaker 1: Huh, don't. They always say truth is stranger than.
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  Speaker 2: Fiction, and in this case, it's also a lot more disturbing.
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  But the story doesn't end there, does it. There's the
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  whole legal aftermath, the insanity plea, the years in the institution.
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  It's almost as fascinating as the crimes themselves, in a
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  weird way.
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  Speaker 1: It's like, how do you even begin to punish someone
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  like Ed Guine? What's an appropriate response to the kind
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  of horror he unleashed?
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  Speaker 2: That was the million dollar question, and the justice system
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  really struggled with it.
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  Speaker 1: So walk us through what happened after they arrested him.
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  Speaker 2: Well after his arrest in fifty seven, he was deemed
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  legally insane and unfit to stand trial.
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  Speaker 1: He pled insanity, right.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly, and because of that, he spent a decade, a
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  full ten years in a mental institution before they even
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  considered him competent to face a jury.
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  Speaker 1: A decade. Wow, that's that's a long time.
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  Speaker 2: Tell me about it. But eventually, in nineteen sixty eight,
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  he was deemed fit to stand trial for the murder
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  of Bernice Warden.
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  Speaker 1: That was his last victim, right, the one that finally
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  led to his capture.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, and the only murder he was ever actually convicted of,
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  even though everyone, including Gooni himself, suspected there were more
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  victims out there.
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  Speaker 1: Wait, what about Mary Hogan? She was a confirmed victim too,
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  wasn't she.
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  Speaker 2: You're right, he was a suspect in her disappearance and
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  presumed murder, but they never actually charged him with it.
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  Speaker 1: Why not?
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  Speaker 2: The prosecution at the time felt like with the evidence
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  they had for Bernice Warden, one life sentence was enough.
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  Guess they figured one less trial was one less thing
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  for everyone to stomach.
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  Speaker 1: It's almost like his crimes were so horrific they defied
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  any kind of traditional justice.
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  Speaker 2: It does make you wonder, can you really call it
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  justice when a guy like that, responsible for so much
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  pain and terror, dies peacefully in a mental institution.
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  Speaker 1: It's a tough question, and it speaks to the ripple
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  effect of crimes like these. The victims, their families, even
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  society as a whole were all left grappling with the
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  fallout long after the headline's fade.
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  Speaker 2: It's that haunting feeling that some things can't be undone,
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  some wounds never truly heal, And in a way, that's
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  the legacy of ed Guin.
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  Speaker 1: The shadow he casts is long, that's for sure, and
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  now with Monster digging into his story, they're.
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  Speaker 2: About to shine a giant spotlight on that.
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  Speaker 1: Shadow, which begs the question are we ready for it?
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  Speaker 2: That's what I'm wondering, because once you peer into the
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  abyss well, sometimes the odsappears back.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, now you're just being creepy.
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  Speaker 2: Just trying to keep things interesting. You know.
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  Speaker 1: Well, mission accomplished.
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  Speaker 2: But before we spiral down the rabbit hole of ed
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  Guin's psyche, any further good idea?
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  Speaker 1: I need a breather after all.
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  Speaker 2: That we did. Mention, there's another season of Monster coming out, right,
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  one with a very different kind of family drama.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, how can I forget? Next month, we're diving
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  into the world of nineties excess and well, let's just
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  call it what it is, patricide with the Menendez brothers.
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  It's going to be a wild ride. It's a fine line,
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  isn't it, trying to understand without you.
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  Speaker 2: Know, excusing exactly. And that's what makes Hunnam's casting so fascinating,
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  right because you need an actor who can convey that complexity, right, Like,
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  He's not just.
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  Speaker 1: Some monster in a horror movie. He was a real
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  person with a real history, real traumas, And that's.
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  Speaker 2: Where a monster has the potential to really dig deep,
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  I think into the why of it all.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, the why is always the big quest question with
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  these kinds of cases, and with Geen, I mean, there's
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  so many layers to it. His upbringing, his relationship with
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  his mother, the isolation of that rural environment.
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  Speaker 2: It's like how much of it was him and how
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  much of it was the world he was born into,
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  you know.
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  Speaker 1: A toxic cocktail of nature and nurture exactly.
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  Speaker 2: And that's a question that I think continues to haunt
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  us because it forces us to confront the possibility that maybe,
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  just maybe there's a little bit of edgee in all
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  of us.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, now that's a thought I'm going to need to
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  unpack later with a stiff drink.
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  Speaker 2: That's the thing about true crime, though, it gets under
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  your skin, makes you question everything for sure, and.
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  Speaker 1: I think that's why we keep coming back to it,
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  even when it scares the hell out of us.
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  Speaker 2: It's like that old saying the only thing necessary for
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  the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.
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  Speaker 1: Ooh, that's a good one.
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  Speaker 2: We have to confront these dark corners of humanity, not
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  just turn a blind eye to them, and maybe, just
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  maybe in doing so, we can find a way to
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  prevent them from happening.
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  Speaker 1: Again, Right, because knowledge is power or something like that. Well,
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  on that cheery.
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  Speaker 2: Note, I don't mean to get all philosophical on you.
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  Speaker 1: No, but seriously, it's all good. That's why we love
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  doing these deep dives. And it's not just about the
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  salacious details. It's about trying to understand, you know, the
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  darkness and the light.
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  Speaker 2: The whole damn human experience.
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  Speaker 1: There you go, well said, and I think with this
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  next season of Monster, with Charlie Hunham's stepping into edgun.
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  Speaker 2: Shoes or should we say skin suit?
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  Speaker 1: Too soon? Okay, too soon, but anyway, it's going to
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  be interesting, to say the least.
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  Speaker 2: He's say the least, and I'm equal parts excited and
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  terrified to see how it all unfolds.
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  Speaker 1: Me too, me too.
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  Speaker 2: Well.
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  Speaker 1: On that note, I think we've earned ourselves in another
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  stiff drink. What do you say you read my mind?
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  Cheers to that, cheers and to all you lovely listeners
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  out there, thanks for joining us on another wild ride
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  into the heart of darkness. Until next time, stay curious,
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  but maybe keep the lights on.