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The Kenny Report | 12 December · The Kenny Report

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Speaker 1: Line from the skying New Center.
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Speaker 2: This is the Kenny Report.
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Speaker 3: Thanks for joining me.
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Speaker 4: Anthony Albanezi spends more taxpayers money making yet another play
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Speaker 4: to win popularity and change the topic of conversation.
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Speaker 3: Heading into an election.
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Speaker 4: Year, things are not looking good for Labor and hopes
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Speaker 4: of an interest rate cut just took another dive. The
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Speaker 4: more redeeming defamation win. And aside from Victorian politics, why
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Speaker 4: I reckon it matters?
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Speaker 3: For another crucial national.
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Speaker 4: Issue on the nuclear debate, I'll catch up with another
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Speaker 4: one of those people Labor says don't exist, a nuclear
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Speaker 4: expert who thinks it's a great option for Australia. All that,
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Speaker 4: plus Alexander Downer on the Middle East and Tim Blair
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Speaker 4: and Mark Nicholson on the incredible shrinking Prime Minister.
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Speaker 3: Let's get cracking. This is my last.
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Speaker 4: Program for the year. Next year is a federal election year.
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Speaker 4: Anthony Albanezi could be facing his Alamo. He is floundering,
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Speaker 4: he is weak and he is desperate. Yesterday, hounded by
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Speaker 4: his own weakness on anti Semitism, he desperately tried to
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Speaker 4: catch up by turning up at the Jewish Holocaust Museum.
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Speaker 5: We need an end to any semetism. It is equal.
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Speaker 5: It diminishes ass as a nation.
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Speaker 4: The Prime Minister even made a big deal of announcing
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Speaker 4: more funds for the museum, funds that the coalition had
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Speaker 4: promised months ago. By the way, this is political management
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Speaker 4: by media event and political management by daily announcements, and
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Speaker 4: political management by buying off various voting blocks. Yesterday he
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Speaker 4: also announced another billion dollars for government funded childcare for householdsjourning,
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Speaker 4: up to five hundred thirty thousand dollars a year. Yeah,
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Speaker 4: you heard right, five hundred and thirty thousand dollars. Government
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Speaker 4: by media management and constant political announcements, not competent governance
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Speaker 4: through firm policies, known values and displayed competence. We need competence,
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Speaker 4: We need leaders with conviction. But what we get all
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Speaker 4: too often, and all we've ever gotten from Albo is
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Speaker 4: government by media announcements, spin over substance, politicking over policy.
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Speaker 4: And so it was today taxpayers money for another rugby
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Speaker 4: league team, this one from Papua New Guinea. Albo was
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Speaker 4: again handing out money, six hundred million dollars, this time
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Speaker 4: six hundred million, with alban Easy, again looking for a
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Speaker 4: media hit, and again striving for folksy popularity.
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Speaker 5: It struck me when we would emerge from the densest
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Speaker 5: of ungles that you can imagine that when we entered
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Speaker 5: villages you would be familiar with what people were wearing.
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Speaker 5: Because there were many Queensland State of Origin jumpers, I
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Speaker 5: must say many more than wearing the Blues jumpers. There
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Speaker 5: were Broncos jumpers, Cowboys jumpers, and of course anywhere in
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Speaker 5: the world there's always a random South guyle.
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Speaker 3: Two.
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Speaker 4: It's all so desperate, isn't it. I think Albanezi is
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Speaker 4: in real strife. The unexpected drop in unemployment numbers today
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Speaker 4: dropping below four percent to three point nine percent. That's
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Speaker 4: nearly half a percent below market expectation. It's normally good news,
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Speaker 4: of course, but what it means is that an early
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Speaker 4: interest rate cut next year is less likely. That's bad
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Speaker 4: news for homeowners and bad news for Albanese's political prospects.
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Speaker 4: He desperately needs a rate cut in February to suggest
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Speaker 4: that his economic management might have got some prospect of
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Speaker 4: coming through, that it might have some prospect of working.
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Speaker 4: This is a prime minister who seems to be without
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Speaker 4: a plan, without authority, and without any achievements to point to.
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Speaker 4: I mean, what's he going to do in the election campaign?
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Speaker 3: Promise to cut our electricity prices again when they've only
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Speaker 3: gone up.
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Speaker 4: Promise to cut mortgage rates again when they've only gone up.
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Speaker 4: Promise to ease the cost of living again when it's
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Speaker 4: only gotten worse.
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Speaker 3: He's had a rotten year. I'll show you a special
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Speaker 3: year ender later in the program, but.
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Speaker 4: Here's a little taste of it that reminds us of
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Speaker 4: Albow's struggles. But when are we ever going to see
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Speaker 4: this book take responsibility for anything.
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Speaker 5: I've been traveling in the car, so I'm not I
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Speaker 5: haven't been advised about that. Of course, a state bail
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Speaker 5: schemes are run by the states.
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Speaker 3: You know.
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Speaker 4: As we play these clips of Albow constantly ducking for cover,
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Speaker 4: constantly avoiding responsibility, it reminded me of an old song
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Speaker 4: i'd seen used at a political event way back in
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Speaker 4: the early nineteen nineties. Yeah, he always pretends to be
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Speaker 4: not responsible.
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Speaker 3: Become election time he is.
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Speaker 4: People vote on whether a government has delivered what it promised.
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Speaker 4: They hold governments responsible for the things governments are supposed
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Speaker 4: to be responsible for, and at this stage, none of
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Speaker 4: that looks good for labor or Albanezi. The appalling treatment
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Speaker 4: of former Victory and Liberal MP Moira Deeming, who's now
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Speaker 4: an independent, and her stunning three hundred thousand dollars defamation
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Speaker 4: victory over the state's Liberal leader, John Pursuito have upended
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Speaker 4: Victoria's political scene yet again. Deeming's moral, legal and political
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Speaker 4: win should see her return triumphant to the Liberal party room,
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Speaker 4: and you'd think it's another nail in the coffet of
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Speaker 4: the opposition leader's position.
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Speaker 3: He says he'll.
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Speaker 4: Soldier on, but Pursuito's poor judgment alone should disqualify him,
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Speaker 4: and today he didn't even find it in his heart
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Speaker 4: or his head to apologize to Deeming.
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Speaker 3: We'll see how all that plays out.
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Speaker 4: Persuito seems to think he can tough it out, but
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Speaker 4: I'll leave that for others to.
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Speaker 3: Analyze over the hours, days and weeks to come.
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Speaker 4: In fact, Maria Deeming will be on with Peter Quentlin
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Speaker 4: after this show. But I want to make another important
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Speaker 4: point about this ruling, and that is this Deeming's victory
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Speaker 4: and substantial damages are based on a complicated series of facts,
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Speaker 4: but also on a fundamental defamatory imputation, and that is
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Speaker 4: that it's a terrible slur to label someone a Nazi
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Speaker 4: or a Nazi sympathizer. That was her claim, and it
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Speaker 4: was upheld emphatically.
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Speaker 6: Not one Liberal Party value was honored or furthered in
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Speaker 6: Victoria by this relentless and remorseless campaign to discredit me
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Speaker 6: and everybody who stood by me. But I was never
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Speaker 6: going to let it go unchallenged in this state and
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Speaker 6: under my Liberal party logo that innocent women rallying against
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Speaker 6: the destruction of every single common sense safeguard designed to
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Speaker 6: protect them and their children could be attacked and scapegoaded
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Speaker 6: as Nazis and bigots.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, she was standing up for the rights of women
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Speaker 4: at a public realie and good on her for doing that.
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Speaker 4: And she was smeared with being a Nazi or a
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Speaker 4: neo Nazi because some of those types turned up. It
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Speaker 4: wasn't fair, And now she's received justice. So when it
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Speaker 4: comes to the Nazi slur and what it means, it's
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Speaker 4: worth going to the judgment where Justice O'Callahan focused on
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Speaker 4: it by referring to the unchallenged evidence of Liberal MP
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Speaker 4: Richard Riordan saying that an allegation of being a Nazi
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Speaker 4: or Nazi sympathizer is one of the most serious allegations
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Speaker 4: that can be made about a person. And it's like
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Speaker 4: an allegation of being a murderer, or a pedophile or
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Speaker 4: a rapist. I think everyone I know in my personal
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Speaker 4: and political circles would share that opinion. Those sorts of
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Speaker 4: allegations never leave a person. Nobody wants anything to do
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Speaker 4: with such a person. This was a cruel thing to
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Speaker 4: be inflicted on more redeeming. Yeah, that is obviously true.
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Speaker 3: We all get that.
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Speaker 4: So well done to the judge for recognizing this heenus
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Speaker 4: slur and awarding an incredible three hundred thousand dollars damages
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Speaker 4: over a public spat between two political colleagues. Now, I
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Speaker 4: want to show you a worrying contrast to that, the
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Speaker 4: leniency applied to a Sydney anti Israel protester by a
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Speaker 4: New South Wales criminal court yesterday.
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Speaker 3: Here's nine news.
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Speaker 7: The former boss of the Nomad restaurant has escaped conviction
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Speaker 7: for displaying a swastika at a pro Palestine rally in October,
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Speaker 7: and that straight handed Alan Yasbeck a conditional release order,
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Speaker 7: ruling he'd already paid a high price for his foolishness.
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Speaker 7: But he is no neo Nazi or right wing extremist.
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Speaker 3: I got a horribly wrong. I'm profoundly sorry. I hope
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Speaker 3: the Jewish community can forgive me over time.
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Speaker 7: The fifty six year old was stood down from the business,
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Speaker 7: which has been with threatening letters since his arrest.
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Speaker 4: Wow, he lost his position at the restaurant, and that's
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Speaker 4: punishment enough. I think slurring supporters of Israel as Nazis
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Speaker 4: is appalling. I think smearing a country established after the
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Speaker 4: Holocaust when it's defending itself against the largest mass slaughter
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Speaker 4: of innocence since the Holocaust, as a nation of Nazis
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Speaker 4: is unthinkably evil and inflammatory. And I think that injecting
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Speaker 4: this sort of misinformed hatred into our domestic political debate,
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Speaker 4: and the way it can inflame resentment and even provoke violence,
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Speaker 4: is far more dangerous than the nasty defamation of more
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Speaker 4: redeeming I certainly won't be eating at a Nomad restaurant
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Speaker 4: ever again. And I think Alan Yasbek can consider himself
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Speaker 4: an incredibly fortunate man. But I just hope this doesn't
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Speaker 4: reflect a broader leniency across our law and order system
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Speaker 4: when it comes to anti Semitism in our society. Branding
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Speaker 4: people Nazis is appalling, and branding all Jews or all
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Speaker 4: supporters of Israel as Nazis is either just as.
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Speaker 3: Bad or even worse.
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Speaker 4: Let's go to some domestic political issues and catch up
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Speaker 4: with Susan McDonald, who is the Shadow Resources Minister, joining
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Speaker 4: me live from Townsville in Queensland. Thanks for joining us,
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Speaker 4: Joining us, Sir Susan. I want to get you first
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Speaker 4: on energy and resources and us today that the green
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Speaker 4: as they get green, as kermit the frog. Chris Bowen,
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Speaker 4: the Climate and Energy Minister. He's looking at rules and
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Speaker 4: regulations that will allow state governments to force coal fire
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Speaker 4: generators to stay in the market. This blog's all about
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Speaker 4: getting rid of coal, but now it wants to make
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Speaker 4: sure they can keep them going if they need to
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Speaker 4: and when they need to.
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Speaker 8: Did you seriously wonder if they've got any idea, any plan,
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Speaker 8: any strategy. It's a real worry, Chris, because this is
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Speaker 8: the government that has done their very best to cancel coal,
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Speaker 8: to cancel gas, and now now that consumers have the
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Speaker 8: highest electricity crosts, they're struggling to pay them. Small businesses
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Speaker 8: struggling to pay. Now they've decided, as we warned, as
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Speaker 8: the Coalition warned, that they would need to keep coal
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Speaker 8: and gas in the market in order to provide keep
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Speaker 8: the lights on and to avoid this energy crisis that's
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Speaker 8: looming so quickly.
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Speaker 4: I still can't get my head around the simple fact
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Speaker 4: that the clear fact in this country, I don't think
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Speaker 4: enough people appreciate this or communicated enough, and that is
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Speaker 4: that we as taxpayers are and have been spending billions
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Speaker 4: of dollars in subsidies constantly to renewables with the specific
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Speaker 4: intention of forcing coal fire power out of the system.
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Speaker 4: But at the same time, largely through state government, we're
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Speaker 4: paying more hundreds of millions of dollars in subsidies to
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Speaker 4: keep coal going because the stuff's forcing it out.
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Speaker 3: It is literally insane.
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Speaker 8: You can't you wouldn't read about it, would you. And
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Speaker 8: the Coalition has been the honest brokers in this the
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Speaker 8: entire time. We have been warning that you do need coal,
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Speaker 8: you do need gas, you do need nuclear, and possibly
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Speaker 8: some renewables will be in that mix as well. But
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Speaker 8: for Chris Boone and the Labor government to have gone
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Speaker 8: down this fantastical journey of renewables only has been disastrous,
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Speaker 8: and let's hope that at the next election they're not
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Speaker 8: talking about how they're going to reduce their electricity costs
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Speaker 8: because we know that is absolutely untrue. But as I said,
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Speaker 8: the Coalition has been the honest brokers in this space.
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Speaker 8: We have said you will need firming base load power
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Speaker 8: and coal and gas will do that right now.
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Speaker 4: So you've got nuclear option coming. The Coalition is promising
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Speaker 4: this nuclear option. I've been arguing this for ten years,
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Speaker 4: so I'm not going to say it's a bad option.
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Speaker 4: It's the option we need. But you've got to be
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Speaker 4: honest with the Australian people. Given the costings and all
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Speaker 4: that we're promised the costings by Christmas, you know you've
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Speaker 4: got less than two weeks to go. I'm on holidays
14:17
Speaker 4: in I think forty five minutes, not that I'm counting.
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Speaker 4: I mean, come on, you've got to get this detail
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Speaker 4: out now so people can look at it and make
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Speaker 4: the judgment between the two plans.
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Speaker 8: Well, I think that I should say first that this
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Speaker 8: is not my space. It's Ted O'Brien as the Shadow minister,
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Speaker 8: and of course the Leader, Peter Dutton. But what I
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Speaker 8: would say is that This has been the earliest that
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Speaker 8: I can remember costings for an election commitment being made.
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Speaker 8: The election's not even being called and we will be
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Speaker 8: releasing costings. So you know, I think that it's just
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Speaker 8: fabulous that we will be releasing costings so far in
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Speaker 8: advance in the election. The Australian people will be able
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Speaker 8: to compare that with the cost Oh now, they won't
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Speaker 8: be able to compare that with the cost of the
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Speaker 8: renewables only because that has never been released and instead
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Speaker 8: the government is taking the taxpayer subsidies to pay for it.
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Speaker 3: So that is a fair point and one that I
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Speaker 3: keep making as well.
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Speaker 4: We don't get the cost of what they're doing, which
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Speaker 4: is an unfair, unfair argument, but you can make that
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Speaker 4: when you put out your costings hopefully early next week.
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Speaker 4: Thanks so much for joining us, Susan, I appreciate it.
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Speaker 4: Susan McDonald there, who's the Shadow Resources Minister, live from Townsville.
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Speaker 4: I want to get back to the anti Semitism issue
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Speaker 4: in this country, the way it's ripping apart the social
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Speaker 4: cohesion of Australia. Want to get a very personal perspective
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Speaker 4: from Marty Perlstein, who's a Jewish community member who joins
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Speaker 4: us live from Sydney.
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Speaker 3: He's been living and breathing this. Thanks for joining us again. Many.
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Speaker 4: I spoke to you once before. It's great to get
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Speaker 4: the perspective of people like you because you don't head
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Speaker 4: up an organization, you're not involved in politics directly.
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Speaker 3: You're just talking as a member of the Jewish community.
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Speaker 4: And I want to find out how this is impacting
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Speaker 4: on people as they go about their daily lives, particularly
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Speaker 4: in the eastern suburbs of Sydney.
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Speaker 3: Now we know about the horror of.
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Speaker 4: The synagogue fire in Melbourne, but now there have been
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Speaker 4: these two car fires and graffiti attacks in the eastern
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Speaker 4: suburbs of Sydney, where you live. What's the impact been
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Speaker 4: on people and families in the area.
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Speaker 9: Chris, I'm very grateful to have the opportunity to advocate
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Speaker 9: for my community, but I have to say that I
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Speaker 9: think that we are embarrassed that our tiny little community
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Speaker 9: is taking up this much of the national conversation and
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Speaker 9: this much space at the table. We make up. The
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Speaker 9: Jewish people make up half of one percent of the
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Speaker 9: Australian population, half a percent, and yet every single morning
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Speaker 9: we are waking up and we're listening to the media.
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Speaker 9: We're listening to the government and hearing about these attacks
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Speaker 9: that are repeatedly taking place the night before, knowing that
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Speaker 9: they are completely preventable and could have been avoided if
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Speaker 9: the Albanese government simply took more decisive action over the
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Speaker 9: last four hundred and thirty days since the events at
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Speaker 9: the steps.
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Speaker 10: Of the Opera House.
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Speaker 9: And quite frankly, I think we all feel that the
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Speaker 9: only thing we should be discussing in the lead up
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Speaker 9: to a federal election is a cost of living crisis
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Speaker 9: and the back pockets of every single Australian, not the
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Speaker 9: physical safety of our tiny little community.
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Speaker 4: But you don't want us to ignore this issue. This
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Speaker 4: issue is being thrust upon you, right. I mean, you
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Speaker 4: must be concerned for your own family members, for your
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Speaker 4: own children, for these sorts of threats to be coming
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Speaker 4: right to the very heart of your own neighborhoods.
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Speaker 9: The threats are unsettling, they're uncomfortable for all of us.
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Speaker 9: But we are a strong and resilient community and we
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Speaker 9: will not be defined by hatred. We stand here with
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Speaker 9: all decent Australians to contribute to this society and that's
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Speaker 9: what we are going to do. These threats are designed
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Speaker 9: to create social division and hatred, and yes they are
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Speaker 9: unsettling and they're unpleasant, but we are not going to
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Speaker 9: be defined as a community by the hatred that's being
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Speaker 9: shown towards us.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, that is good to hear, and I do see
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Speaker 4: that in my daily life getting around those areas where
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Speaker 4: I see a lot of people identifiably Jewish by their
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Speaker 4: head wear or the dress or symbols they're wearing.
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Speaker 3: It's going about their lives.
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Speaker 4: Unbroken by this stuff, although it must be, as you say,
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Speaker 4: unsettling all the time. I want to show you a
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Speaker 4: little clip here of the Special Envoy for Antisemitism where
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Speaker 4: she's attacking the protest which so often short people.
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Speaker 3: She had a protester.
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Speaker 4: Against what the government of Israel is doing, whatever they
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Speaker 4: think about the war.
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Speaker 3: But there shouldn't be hatred involved. Have a look.
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Speaker 11: Demonstrations are incredibly important, but they have to be done
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Speaker 11: in a way, in a place at a time that
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Speaker 11: is not attacking other parts of the community.
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Speaker 3: That's the key point, isn't it, Marty.
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Speaker 4: We can protest, but let's not try and turn one
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Speaker 4: segment of a society against another.
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Speaker 9: One hundred percent I think that in a democratic country,
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Speaker 9: obviously free speech is necessary, but there is no need
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Speaker 9: in Australia to be dividing people socially by protesting inappropriate
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Speaker 9: spaces and places.
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Speaker 12: You don't see groups.
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Speaker 9: Of Jewish people going onto university campuses, going outside mosques
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Speaker 9: and outside other people's places of worship causing aggression.
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Speaker 4: Absolutely, absolutely, that is a key contrast. We just don't
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Speaker 4: see that going back the other way. Thanks for joining us, Marney.
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Speaker 4: It's always going to catch up with you. And as
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Speaker 4: Julia and Lisa reminded us the other night, that Hunnekah
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Speaker 4: and Christmas fall on the same day this year, so
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Speaker 4: I have a merry Christmas and a happy Honeker. I'll
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Speaker 4: see they're a member of the Sydney Jewish community and
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Speaker 4: an advocate for her community.
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Speaker 3: We're going to take a break. On the other side,
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Speaker 3: We're going to get back into the nuclear debate. I'm
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Speaker 3: going to chat with one of those.
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Speaker 4: Experts Keen on Australian nuclear power, you know, the experts
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Speaker 4: that Labour says don't exist. Let's keep the nuclear debate
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Speaker 4: going with the coalition promising to move ahead with seven
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Speaker 4: domestic nuclear power plants, providing a clear choice now at
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Speaker 4: the next election. As I mentioned, we're waiting to hear
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Speaker 4: about the costings on that, but compared to renewables, it's
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Speaker 4: likely to be pretty beneficial because they've got to put.
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Speaker 3: Up transmission and storage.
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Speaker 4: This model promised by Labor, the Greens and the Tills
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Speaker 4: is pretty impractical and is already very expensive, already driving
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Speaker 4: up power prices and giving us warnings about supplies.
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Speaker 3: Its battles also.
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Speaker 4: Right around the country when it comes to environments being
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Speaker 4: destroyed by renewables and transmission projects.
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Speaker 3: Labour has this to say though about the coalition's plan.
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Speaker 13: Every expert in the world thinks that the opposition's plans
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Speaker 13: are wildly realistic, wildly optimistic.
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Speaker 12: I should say nuclear is the most expensive form of
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Speaker 12: power and it won't be available for twenty years, and
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Speaker 12: every expert agrees with that. The only person who doesn't
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Speaker 12: agree is Barnaby Joyce.
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Speaker 4: Well, let's go to Helen called principle of g and
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Speaker 4: E Advisory responsible for advising and negotiating commercial agreements for
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Speaker 4: new nuclear plants.
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Speaker 3: Helen, I think we could.
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Speaker 4: Safely call you a nuclear expert, couldn't we? But apparently
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Speaker 4: nuclear experts who support the option in Australia don't exist.
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Speaker 11: Yeah, thanks Chris, good to be with you. Well, clearly
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Speaker 11: they do exist. There's lots of experts in Australia who
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Speaker 11: believe that we need to move ahead with nuclear energy
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Speaker 11: and have thought through how we would go about that.
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Speaker 11: I'll also say that I've worked in the international nuclear
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Speaker 11: sector now for seventeen years and I've got the question
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Speaker 11: over and over again, what on earth is Australia doing
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Speaker 11: with prohibitions and why aren't we're considering and actively implementing
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Speaker 11: a nuclear energy program.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it is bizarre.
22:07
Speaker 4: We're supposed to be a smart nation, a clever nation,
22:09
Speaker 4: a twenty first century nation, and we want to, you know,
22:13
Speaker 4: we want to excuse ourselves from this leading global technology
22:16
Speaker 4: where other countries are either getting in board, on board or.
22:19
Speaker 3: Expanding their involvement.
22:21
Speaker 4: Now you've given evidence today at this parliamentary inquiry into
22:25
Speaker 4: the industry. I see some of the observers say your
22:28
Speaker 4: evidence smashed it out of the park.
22:29
Speaker 3: Tell us what you told the inquiry.
22:33
Speaker 11: So yes, I've come straight from the inquiry and yeah,
22:37
Speaker 11: I thought, Look, I thought to make two kind of
22:39
Speaker 11: major points, and the first one was to paint the
22:41
Speaker 11: picture of what's happening globally in the nuclear sector. I,
22:46
Speaker 11: in doing so tried to say that Australia is becoming
22:50
Speaker 11: increasingly out of step with other industrialized countries and also
22:54
Speaker 11: countries in our own region that have active nuclear energy programs.
22:57
Speaker 10: And then the second thing.
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Speaker 11: That I sought to do was to address the comments
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Speaker 11: of Clear Savage, the chair of the Australian Energy Regulator,
23:05
Speaker 11: who has said that it would take eight to ten
23:07
Speaker 11: years just to get the nuclear regulatory framework in place
23:11
Speaker 11: and only then could you start building nuclear reactors in
23:13
Speaker 11: the country. And I fundamentally disagree with that timeline.
23:19
Speaker 4: Yeah, you've talked that to us about that before. That's
23:22
Speaker 4: your specialty, that regulatory framework. And as you've pointed out,
23:25
Speaker 4: we've already got the key elements of regulatory framework in
23:28
Speaker 4: place here because we have a scientific and medical researcher
23:33
Speaker 4: reactor have had for seventy years. We've also got a
23:36
Speaker 4: uranium mining and export industry. And I'm sitting here in
23:40
Speaker 4: Adelaide tonight in South Australia, where we have up in
23:43
Speaker 4: the north there at Olympic Down, one of the largest
23:45
Speaker 4: uranium mines in the world, and where they also plan
23:48
Speaker 4: to build nuclear powered submarines. So how could it not
23:52
Speaker 4: be possible in a state like this to also have
23:55
Speaker 4: a domestic nuclear power industry and the framework to control
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Speaker 4: it and regulate it.
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Speaker 10: Look, it's absolutely possible.
24:04
Speaker 11: We're doing it for ucas as I have said, as
24:06
Speaker 11: you say on your program before, we already have an
24:09
Speaker 11: existing legal and regulatory infrastructure here for the nuclear activities
24:13
Speaker 11: that we already undertake today. We've been a nuclear nation
24:17
Speaker 11: since the nineteen fifties. To me, when I look at
24:20
Speaker 11: the framework we have, it's a matter of enhancing that
24:23
Speaker 11: in that framework and doing the human resource development to
24:27
Speaker 11: implement it. That can all be done. Country after country
24:30
Speaker 11: around the world is doing it, and we can do
24:32
Speaker 11: it expontitiously. Is actually one of the advantages that we
24:35
Speaker 11: have is our starting point when it comes to the
24:37
Speaker 11: legal and regulatory infrastructure.
24:41
Speaker 4: Well, this is one of the key points, as you mentioned,
24:43
Speaker 4: the human resources. Now, we've got nuclear experts who've worked here.
24:46
Speaker 4: We've spoken often to eighty Patterson who used to head
24:48
Speaker 4: up Australia's nuclear organization where he came in from South Africa.
24:54
Speaker 4: Others have had experience in the UK and elsewhere. So
24:56
Speaker 4: we've brought in expertise. We've got other people who are
24:59
Speaker 4: educating here and have extended their educations overseas and the like.
25:03
Speaker 4: So we have a good pool of expertise here and
25:06
Speaker 4: we would obviously obviously supplement it by bringing people in
25:09
Speaker 4: or sending others from Australia overseas for further experience and study.
25:14
Speaker 4: I mean, surely these issues also are very very surmountable.
25:20
Speaker 10: They're entirely manageable.
25:22
Speaker 11: We not only, as you say, have an excellent existing
25:25
Speaker 11: body of human resources, but there's actually a fair few
25:28
Speaker 11: people working in this sector overseas. So you do hear
25:30
Speaker 11: Aussie accents around the world working at nuclear power plants,
25:34
Speaker 11: working on construction projects. So they exist and I think
25:38
Speaker 11: they'd be quite happy to come home and support a
25:41
Speaker 11: nuclear program in Australia.
25:42
Speaker 10: But we also would need, as we're doing.
25:44
Speaker 11: For ORCAST, to train a workforce for the future and
25:47
Speaker 11: for the future sustainability of our program. And you would
25:50
Speaker 11: do that through collaboration with partner countries, through sending people
25:55
Speaker 11: on some comments to work at nuclear power plants around
25:57
Speaker 11: the world, through cooperation with the nuclear regulatory bodies that
26:00
Speaker 11: have the experience in this area, you know, and of
26:04
Speaker 11: course we would need to hire some international technical support
26:09
Speaker 11: organizations in the early phases to actually help us build
26:12
Speaker 11: our own human resource capability all possible, all achievable, and
26:17
Speaker 11: you know, I think we can do it expeditiously in Australia.
26:21
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's hard to argue that that's impossible when that's
26:24
Speaker 4: exactly what our defense forces are doing already. The Navy,
26:26
Speaker 4: you've got people, of course on exchange overseas to start
26:29
Speaker 4: to get this expertise in the nuclear powered submarine field.
26:34
Speaker 3: Just on the news to come.
26:36
Speaker 4: We're waiting to see the coalition outline their costings. You've
26:39
Speaker 4: got good experience of working on projects around the world.
26:42
Speaker 4: Are the costings likely to blow this thing out of
26:44
Speaker 4: the water or are they going to be comparable to
26:46
Speaker 4: this renewables plus storage and transmission mix.
26:51
Speaker 11: Look, I think we wait to see what they are.
26:53
Speaker 11: But what I'm really happy about finally is that we're
26:56
Speaker 11: going to see and apples to apples comparison. So I
26:59
Speaker 11: think we're going to see now or we have seen
27:01
Speaker 11: now a costing of what the labor plan looks like,
27:04
Speaker 11: and now we're finally going to see what the coalition
27:07
Speaker 11: plan looks like, and that will enable the Australian people
27:10
Speaker 11: to actually see what each of these different plans will
27:14
Speaker 11: cost on an apples to apples basis, and we really
27:16
Speaker 11: haven't seen that before. And of course the gen cost
27:18
Speaker 11: only helps us with about thirty five percent of what
27:21
Speaker 11: we pay at home in our electricity bill. It doesn't
27:25
Speaker 11: give us insight into the total system cost and that's
27:27
Speaker 11: what I hope we're going to see.
27:28
Speaker 4: Soon, exactly the total system costs, the costs we're getting
27:33
Speaker 4: our bills at the end of the the day, that's
27:35
Speaker 4: what matters.
27:36
Speaker 3: Thanks so much for joining us, Hell and I appreciate
27:38
Speaker 3: your expertise.
27:43
Speaker 4: Still to come now, Alexander Downer joins us live from London.
27:46
Speaker 4: We're going to talk about what's happening in the Middle
27:48
Speaker 4: East with Israel targeting Seria's military assets, plus a former
27:52
Speaker 4: labor minister's warning for the PM. Let's go to the
28:01
Speaker 4: astonishing developments in the Middle East. Israel has struck Syria
28:05
Speaker 4: nearly five hundred times. In the day since Besha Alasad
28:09
Speaker 4: fled the country to Russia. Israel's been destroying weapons stockpiles.
28:14
Speaker 4: Here's the latest from CNN.
28:19
Speaker 14: In the dead of night, Syrian naval ships going up
28:22
Speaker 14: in flames at daybreak. This is all that remains of
28:26
Speaker 14: the Syrian fleet at Latakia. After Israel launched a wave
28:30
Speaker 14: of strikes intended to destroy the strategic arsenal of the
28:33
Speaker 14: newly deposed regime of Bashar Alasad. Israeli missileships fired the
28:39
Speaker 14: fatal blow at Latakia. Many more were carried out by
28:43
Speaker 14: Israeli jets altogether at nearly five hundred strikes since the
28:47
Speaker 14: fall of Asades regime.
28:49
Speaker 4: Let's bring in Australia's longest serving foreign Minister, Alexander Downa,
28:52
Speaker 4: joining US live from London, and Alexander the key point
28:56
Speaker 4: here about what Israel's doing.
28:58
Speaker 3: It's seeing off Hezbla.
28:59
Speaker 4: Of course, Southern Lebanon got rid of most of their
29:02
Speaker 4: weapons and most of their leadership. Now it's taking the
29:05
Speaker 4: opportunity to get rid of these munitions and equipment in
29:09
Speaker 4: Syria while there's something of a vacuum there, and surely
29:13
Speaker 4: this is pushing back the influence, the.
29:16
Speaker 3: Malevolent influence of Iran in the region.
29:21
Speaker 15: Well, it's that, but importantly there's real uncertainty about what's
29:27
Speaker 15: going to happen in Syria and what sort of regime
29:30
Speaker 15: is going to come to power. It may be good
29:32
Speaker 15: that Asad has gone, there's no doubt about that. But
29:35
Speaker 15: what these alternatives are going to be like, we don't
29:38
Speaker 15: really know yet. And if it really is true that
29:43
Speaker 15: Syria is going to end up by being governed by
29:45
Speaker 15: a hardcore Islamist regime or even an Islamist regime of
29:51
Speaker 15: less hardcore, Israel doesn't want to take any risks that
29:55
Speaker 15: they will then have control of the Syrian Defense Force
29:58
Speaker 15: and can threaten Israel again. So these are preemptive measures,
30:03
Speaker 15: they're cautionary measures, they're dramatic, there's no doubt about that,
30:10
Speaker 15: but they will help to secure Israel in Israelis, and
30:15
Speaker 15: I mean, after what the Israelis have been through, they
30:18
Speaker 15: just can't afford to take any risks, and that's entirely understandable.
30:22
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it's an entirely positive development because they
30:27
Speaker 4: do make the region a safer place. As you say,
30:29
Speaker 4: great uncertainty about what sort of a regime will be
30:33
Speaker 4: in place in Syria, but let's make sure that it's
30:36
Speaker 4: not armed with all sorts of offensive weapons.
30:39
Speaker 3: So we'll keep an eye on that.
30:40
Speaker 4: In the meantime, Australia has again voted controversially in the
30:46
Speaker 4: United Nations joining the sort of anti Israel crowd, and
30:49
Speaker 4: this motion is particularly supportive of UNRA, the UN relief
30:54
Speaker 4: agency in Gaza.
30:55
Speaker 3: Here's what Australia's representative had to.
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Speaker 16: Say, measures to terminate the employment of unrestaff members following
31:03
Speaker 16: the seven October atrocities carried out by hamas atrocities that
31:07
Speaker 16: should have been unequivocally condemned by this resolution. Any involvement
31:13
Speaker 16: or affiliation with terrorist organizations cannot be tolerated. Australia will
31:19
Speaker 16: continue to press the United Nations and UNRAH to safeguard
31:23
Speaker 16: the organization's neutrality.
31:25
Speaker 4: Is pretty optimistic stuff, isn't it. Alexander Downa talking about
31:28
Speaker 4: preserving or safeguarding unra's neutrality has been exposed as not
31:32
Speaker 4: being neutral. Some of its own people were involved in
31:35
Speaker 4: the October the seventh atrocities.
31:38
Speaker 15: Well years ago when I was the Foreign Minister, I
31:41
Speaker 15: went to Gaza and I met with the UNRA people,
31:43
Speaker 15: and there's no doubt where UNRA stands in terms of Israel.
31:48
Speaker 15: There is deep hostility at the very best within ANRAH
31:52
Speaker 15: to Israel. And more than that, the fact that some
31:58
Speaker 15: personnel from UNRA are actually involved in the seventh of
32:03
Speaker 15: October massacre of the Israelis is unconscionable. I think an
32:09
Speaker 15: organization like that with people who have supported terrorism, I
32:13
Speaker 15: mean they sacked them, right, how big of them, but
32:17
Speaker 15: has supported terrorism which whose teachers teach anti Israeli an
32:24
Speaker 15: anti Semitic rhetoric to children. I think that an organization
32:29
Speaker 15: like that can't any longer stand. And what is interesting
32:34
Speaker 15: about ANRARI is regardless of these resolutions and why these
32:38
Speaker 15: sort of resolutions pass because you know they're much supported
32:42
Speaker 15: by Iran, China and Russia who have increasingly got a
32:48
Speaker 15: grip on the direction of the United Nations, and the
32:50
Speaker 15: United Nations is becoming including the Secretary General, who is
32:55
Speaker 15: a Portuguese former prime minister, is becoming increasingly anti Western.
33:01
Speaker 15: But Amrah can't stand. It has to be completely dismantled.
33:07
Speaker 15: And if there is going to be UN based assistance, Yeah.
33:13
Speaker 3: Just briefly, sorry to interrupt with we're nearly out of time.
33:17
Speaker 4: Mike Kelly, the former Labor Defense Material Minister, you'd know
33:21
Speaker 4: him well, he's got experience in Iraq and the Middle East.
33:24
Speaker 3: He said very boldly.
33:26
Speaker 4: On this program last night that Labor supporting these UN
33:30
Speaker 4: votes has repercussions for Addie Semitism back home in Australia.
33:35
Speaker 3: Is he right?
33:37
Speaker 15: He is right, because what is what the Labor government
33:41
Speaker 15: are doing is giving a tick to those people, and
33:44
Speaker 15: they're deliberately doing it. Of course, they're doing this for
33:47
Speaker 15: domestic political reasons, to shore up their seats which have
33:52
Speaker 15: significant Muslim populations. They're giving a tick to campaigns against
33:57
Speaker 15: the against the Israeli and that's of course very very
34:02
Speaker 15: quickly interpreted not necessarily by the government but by a
34:07
Speaker 15: lot of the people they're trying to appease as a
34:11
Speaker 15: tech for anti Semitism. So it is stirring up feeling
34:16
Speaker 15: against not just Israel, but feeling against Jews, and we've
34:20
Speaker 15: seen the consequences.
34:21
Speaker 4: Of that, absolutely shocking stuff. Thanks for joining us again, Alexander,
34:27
Speaker 4: and thanks for joining us throughout the year. We really
34:30
Speaker 4: appreciate it was you and Nicky and the family. Merry
34:33
Speaker 4: Christmas and a happy New Year. Let's go to a
34:35
Speaker 4: break now on the other side of a catch up
34:37
Speaker 4: with Tim Blair and.
34:37
Speaker 3: Mark Nicholson, we're going to look back on the year
34:40
Speaker 3: and also talk about Justin Trudeau.
34:42
Speaker 4: He's declared himself a proud feminist wouldn't you. Okay, let's
34:50
Speaker 4: bring together our informal national cabinet with Tim Blair from
34:53
Speaker 4: the Daily Telegraph joining us live from Ballarat and also
34:56
Speaker 4: Mark Nicholson from Mate Studios joining us live from Melbourne.
35:00
Speaker 3: Good to have you on.
35:00
Speaker 4: Board, guys, but I don't want to chat with you
35:03
Speaker 4: too much first because I want you to watch something
35:06
Speaker 4: with me and the viewers, because our producer Saskia has
35:09
Speaker 4: put together a bit of a recap of the year
35:12
Speaker 4: as seen through the eyes of this program, so we'll
35:15
Speaker 4: have a look at that and then chat about it afterwards.
35:17
Speaker 3: Ane.
35:18
Speaker 4: Great to be back with the Kenny Report in twenty
35:20
Speaker 4: twenty four Sky News at dusk.
35:23
Speaker 3: I like to call it.
35:24
Speaker 4: But when are we ever going to see this boat
35:25
Speaker 4: take responsibility for anything?
35:29
Speaker 5: I've been traveling in the car, so I haven't been
35:35
Speaker 5: advised about that. Of course, the steak bail schemes are
35:40
Speaker 5: run by the state, you know.
35:43
Speaker 4: As we play these clips of Olbow constantly ducking for cover,
35:46
Speaker 4: constantly avoiding responsibility, it reminded me of an old song
35:51
Speaker 4: I'd seen used at a political event way back in
35:54
Speaker 4: the early nineteen nineties. How many times has albaniz he
36:04
Speaker 4: tried to duck responsibility.
36:06
Speaker 5: Is not my proposal. This is the Australian people's proposal.
36:10
Speaker 5: Is the Australia and independent body, and the government doesn't
36:13
Speaker 5: direct them.
36:14
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was becoming so obvious and happening so often
36:17
Speaker 4: that I started playing this anti Israel protest, anti Israel protest, protests, protests,
36:38
Speaker 4: protests given the protest is all about attracting attention. The
36:44
Speaker 4: students weren't keen to discuss their views protests like this,
36:48
Speaker 4: and you don't want to be filmed or share your
36:50
Speaker 4: views to all Right, this is the stuff that our
36:55
Speaker 4: political leaders have failed to confront.
36:57
Speaker 15: So they brought anti Semitism, fascism and racism to our street.
37:01
Speaker 3: Remember the hostages. I wear this badge for the hostages.
37:05
Speaker 8: What point does Mark Dreyfus and Richard Marles say enough,
37:10
Speaker 8: we cannot stand by and let this happen.
37:12
Speaker 3: We need to resign.
37:14
Speaker 4: On a point of principle, Donald Trump will wipe the
37:16
Speaker 4: floor with Joe Biden because he's so vague.
37:18
Speaker 2: Obviously, if Biden runs again, I mean I'll win the
37:21
Speaker 2: Brown Low That's how likely it is. As you know,
37:24
Speaker 2: the leader of the free world is not of clear
37:27
Speaker 2: or sharp mind. The ridiculous state of affairs is that
37:30
Speaker 2: the president and his team continue to insist that he'll
37:34
Speaker 2: run for a second term.
37:36
Speaker 3: Clearly he won't, Clearly he can't.
37:39
Speaker 17: Donald Trump lost two debates to me in twenty twenty.
37:41
Speaker 3: Sam Sandy hadn't shown up for debate.
37:43
Speaker 18: Now he's acting like he wants to debat me again,
37:46
Speaker 18: or make my day.
37:47
Speaker 4: Pal Biden wants debates, He wants two debates, make my.
37:51
Speaker 17: Day if we finally beat Medicare. When you get knocked
37:59
Speaker 17: down your game, backer, I reckon Marky's a bit more
38:10
Speaker 17: like that in Excess song, you know, falling down a mountain,
38:13
Speaker 17: end up kissing dirt.
38:14
Speaker 4: So I've decided the best way forward is the past,
38:17
Speaker 4: the torch for a new generation Christian Just quickly? Do
38:21
Speaker 4: you see Donald Trump returning to the White House.
38:24
Speaker 10: I had to put my money on it.
38:25
Speaker 4: Right now, I would say yes. All the momentum seems
38:28
Speaker 4: to be with Donald Trump.
38:29
Speaker 19: Right now, Donald Trump is once again going to be
38:31
Speaker 19: the President of the United States.
38:33
Speaker 3: We call it here on Sky News.
38:35
Speaker 4: Donald Trump has won the twenty twenty four election.
38:40
Speaker 13: It's fun to stay.
38:44
Speaker 15: Now.
38:44
Speaker 3: The bad news today is that he's back.
38:50
Speaker 15: This language He's just complicates it so much.
38:56
Speaker 3: You know, how can anyone do this?
39:00
Speaker 4: This bloke has been rejected by his own party, he's
39:03
Speaker 4: been rejected by voters, and he's been rejected by Donald Trump.
39:07
Speaker 3: I don't know much about him. I heard he was
39:09
Speaker 3: a little bit nasty. He who's not the Broder's Bawlright,
39:13
Speaker 3: It is a nobody.
39:14
Speaker 10: He's an absolute nobody.
39:16
Speaker 19: I understand those concerns because Kevin Right did this Donald Trump.
39:21
Speaker 19: But remember you know your old boss, Chris Malcolm Turnbull
39:24
Speaker 19: also disted Donald Trump.
39:29
Speaker 17: You're a bustard, Tom Switzer when.
39:31
Speaker 4: You mentioned my old bosses, What you say, Alexander down
39:36
Speaker 4: or John Olson?
39:37
Speaker 3: Why does it have to be Malcolm Turmble? But carry on?
39:41
Speaker 4: Isn't this just another case of Albanezi finding someone else
39:44
Speaker 4: to blame because he's never responsible.
39:50
Speaker 3: She is not not sponsible.
39:53
Speaker 20: Nuts can answer, Donkins, he gets a ju.
40:08
Speaker 3: Oh man, you see your life flashing before your.
40:12
Speaker 4: Tim mar You wouldn't you love Mark to be doing
40:15
Speaker 4: the Liberal Party election advertising campaign?
40:20
Speaker 13: Oh goodness, gracious, what a year it's been, Chris. And
40:23
Speaker 13: I'll tell you what, mate, Just looking back on that
40:25
Speaker 13: it's been, it's one of the most astonishing years. But
40:27
Speaker 13: thank goodness for this program, for what you do, but
40:30
Speaker 13: also for your company. Tim making sense of the world,
40:34
Speaker 13: taking a look at the lighter side of this whole thing,
40:36
Speaker 13: because even looking through that, my heart was sinking at times.
40:38
Speaker 13: I was laughing at times. But thank goodness for this program, lads.
40:42
Speaker 13: It's it's been truly a remarkable year. But yeah, what
40:45
Speaker 13: a crazy world we live in at times.
40:49
Speaker 4: It's been great fun and lost more to come next year.
40:52
Speaker 4: But Tim, before I got it, you got a little
40:54
Speaker 4: surprise for you because we had a bit of fun
40:56
Speaker 4: with Kevin running that little clip.
40:57
Speaker 3: But look at this.
40:59
Speaker 4: Kevin runs posted something just lately.
41:01
Speaker 3: He's still around. Christmas in America is right out there.
41:08
Speaker 3: This is Union Station getting ready for the festive season. Seasons.
41:12
Speaker 1: Greetings, everybody, do you reckon?
41:16
Speaker 3: He's going to get a good hearing from Donald Trump.
41:18
Speaker 1: Tim, it's nice to see him at Union Station. Just
41:22
Speaker 1: before COVID happened, just before the world went a bit
41:25
Speaker 1: crazier than usual, I had an email exchange with the
41:30
Speaker 1: former Prime Minister. He'd written something angrily angry to me
41:36
Speaker 1: and about something entirely sensible that I'd written, and he
41:39
Speaker 1: was furious and we had an exchange of views via
41:41
Speaker 1: one of his subordinates, and I just said, look, I'm
41:45
Speaker 1: going to be in New York in a few months.
41:47
Speaker 1: Let's have a bunch of oysters at Grand Central Station.
41:49
Speaker 1: There's a beautiful cafe there, and I've got a note
41:51
Speaker 1: back saying that mister rud would very much welcome this
41:54
Speaker 1: dining and dining invitation never happened because of COVID, but
41:58
Speaker 1: Mike got it would have been fun, wouldn't it might
42:00
Speaker 1: have been since you got Court screaming about the Chinese
42:06
Speaker 1: all those years ago.
42:09
Speaker 4: Well, I'm heading to the States over the next few
42:12
Speaker 4: months and maybe I should like to look him.
42:15
Speaker 3: Up as well.
42:15
Speaker 4: I'd love to have an oyster with Kevin Rudd, maybe
42:18
Speaker 4: get an interview with I'll tell you what.
42:20
Speaker 1: If we're paying for it, absolutely yeah.
42:25
Speaker 3: News Corp.
42:25
Speaker 10: He loves a bit of news.
42:26
Speaker 4: Court Paola you reckon, Hey, yeah, yeah, I'm reasonably well traveled,
42:31
Speaker 4: but I've never gone north of the border there.
42:33
Speaker 3: I've never been to Canada, but I'm pretty keen to
42:36
Speaker 3: get there.
42:37
Speaker 4: And one of the reasons is I'd love to meet
42:39
Speaker 4: the Prime Minister, Justin Trudeau. We all need a bit
42:41
Speaker 4: of guidance, a bit of moral inspiration in our lives,
42:44
Speaker 4: and I think he's given it to us in this clip.
42:47
Speaker 16: It shouldn't be that way.
42:49
Speaker 18: It wasn't supposed to be that way. We were supposed
42:52
Speaker 18: to be on a steady, if difficult, sometimes march towards progress.
42:57
Speaker 18: And yeah, just a few weeks ago, the United States
43:01
Speaker 18: voted for a second time to not elect its first
43:05
Speaker 18: woman president. Everywhere, women's rates and women's progress is under attack,
43:12
Speaker 18: overtly and subtlely. But I want you to know that
43:15
Speaker 18: I am and I always will be a proud feminist.
43:19
Speaker 18: You will always have an ally in me and in
43:22
Speaker 18: my government.
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Speaker 4: Mark he's still a proud feminist, but he just thinks
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Speaker 4: they elected the wrong sex in the US.
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Speaker 13: Was that justin Trudeau? I barely recognized him when he's
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Speaker 13: not in blackface. I barely recognized the man. I can't
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Speaker 13: believe that that's him.
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Speaker 10: But what a goose.
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Speaker 13: You know, he's completely wrong as well. Kamala Harris didn't
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Speaker 13: get it. Didn't get elected because she was a woman.
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Speaker 13: She didn't get elected because she was an idiot. That's
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Speaker 13: what happened.
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Speaker 3: So there's anything worse if you saw it.
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Speaker 13: From the American election is pantering to this. The left
43:57
Speaker 13: wing isn't going to get you the votes that you
43:59
Speaker 13: need to survive. He's got a hell of a fight
44:01
Speaker 13: up against him. It's not going to work to get
44:03
Speaker 13: himself to get elected. And worse than that, he's just
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Speaker 13: completely wrong. So he's in a bit of trouble.
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Speaker 4: Old true day.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I'd just like to add to that.
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Speaker 4: You mentioned his Yeah, I'll come to you on it, mate,
44:17
Speaker 4: because he because Mark mentioned the blackface, he has a
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Speaker 4: history of blackface, and I think we've got a picture
44:23
Speaker 4: here of Justin Trudeau in blackface. Timmy, he could have, actually,
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Speaker 4: he could have actually put himself up as the first
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Speaker 4: woman of color to be elected in the Canadian Parliament.
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Speaker 1: And the first Cuban in certain rumors are true. But
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Speaker 1: I'm always amazed where people just disregard, as Mark said,
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Speaker 1: that disregard all the policies. It's just gender, it's just sex.
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Speaker 1: But I'd like to say something, being a proud feminist myself,
44:49
Speaker 1: I'd like to say something completely non sexist, a statement
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Speaker 1: of pure non sexism, that a woman is equally capable
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Speaker 1: as a man of being an absolutely terrible candidate, just
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Speaker 1: as hopeless, just as useless as the worst man. So
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Speaker 1: you know, there yougo, You've got you've got a total
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Speaker 1: level playing field. The fact that we've had two women
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Speaker 1: candidates in the US great. The fact that they've lost
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Speaker 1: admirably so is not because they were women. It's because
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Speaker 1: they ran with awful campaigns and everybody hated them.
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Speaker 13: Yep.
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Speaker 4: Well indeed, so when you have a look at the
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Speaker 4: current first Lady of the US, you can see the
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Speaker 4: impact that Kamala Harris has had.
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Speaker 3: Have look at Joe Biden.
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Speaker 21: So I hope that you all feel that sense of
45:35
Speaker 21: you know, peace and late and that just for a
45:39
Speaker 21: moment when you leave here today, that you feel, I
45:42
Speaker 21: don't know a little a sense of joy, because I
45:46
Speaker 21: think we all need like this, you know, we all
45:48
Speaker 21: need to feel joy.
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Speaker 15: Now.
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Speaker 4: Well, if you're wondering how she ever got to sound
45:54
Speaker 4: so wise and inspirational, well she she got that from
45:56
Speaker 4: Kamala Harris.
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Speaker 3: Have hey, look, we're being.
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Speaker 10: Made indoor for a night.
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Speaker 14: My joy cometh in the morning.
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Speaker 9: The path may seem hard, the work may seem heavy,
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Speaker 9: but joy cometh in the morning.
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Speaker 3: Oh, it's just embarrassing stuff.
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Speaker 4: There you go, markets proves that you and Tim are
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Speaker 4: both right.
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Speaker 3: It's about the qualities of the individual. Forget about the
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Speaker 3: skin color and the genitalia exactly mate.
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Speaker 13: It looks like the only way they're getting any joy
46:31
Speaker 13: at the moment, Kamala and doctor julis through happy hour
46:35
Speaker 13: at the moment.
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Speaker 9: But to be in.
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Speaker 13: Contrast, I'm full of joy. I'm so happy about what's
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Speaker 13: going on in America. I'm actually, for the first time
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Speaker 13: in four years, when you say you go into America,
46:45
Speaker 13: I'm not deeply concerned about your safety while you're over
46:47
Speaker 13: there and what it's going to be like over there.
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Speaker 3: I'm actually genuinely.
46:50
Speaker 13: Excited about what the future hold. I couldn't be happy,
46:53
Speaker 13: to be honest, And I hope these reverber rates across everywhere,
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Speaker 13: including here in Australia.
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Speaker 3: It'd be awesome. Yeah, I'll tell you what Tim.
47:03
Speaker 4: Time Magazine weighing up who they're going to give the
47:06
Speaker 4: Person of the Year Mantle two that they've talked about
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Speaker 4: Kamala Harris. She's on the short list, as is Princess
47:13
Speaker 4: Catherine and Elon Musk and Joe Rogan and the first
47:16
Speaker 4: female President of Mexico. Surely as that man top right, though,
47:20
Speaker 4: he's the person of the year. He's come back and
47:23
Speaker 4: done what nobody thought was possible really historically.
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Speaker 1: Absolutely. I mean, the only way you'd go for Kamala
47:29
Speaker 1: in that lineup would be if you know, she's done
47:31
Speaker 1: the verbal equivalent of what Trudeau did in Canada. She's
47:36
Speaker 1: done black voice, which we just heard an example of
47:39
Speaker 1: there before. As a former Time magazine staff, I just
47:44
Speaker 1: like to point out that the whole Man of the Year,
47:46
Speaker 1: as it was originally, it wasn't an honor, it wasn't
47:49
Speaker 1: a celebration. It was just to note the most significant
47:52
Speaker 1: human beings. So Hitler won it because, of course, early
47:54
Speaker 1: thirties he was massively significant. It wasn't good or bad,
47:57
Speaker 1: it was just who was the most prominent and new
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Speaker 1: worthy individual. So then, of course Time will sp out
48:03
Speaker 1: massively and just decided they'd go with the celebration, which
48:05
Speaker 1: is a situation. They've built themselves to their enormous discredit.
48:10
Speaker 1: Now it is a celebration and they can't get around it.
48:12
Speaker 1: But it has to be Trump. It has to be Trump.
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Speaker 4: It's got to be Trump on both those criteria. I
48:18
Speaker 4: would have thought this time around, and if they go
48:20
Speaker 4: back to the old fashioned version, and maybe one day
48:22
Speaker 4: it'll be the afl Umpires. We'll say that for another time.
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Speaker 4: Thanks for joining us, Mark and Tim has been It's
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Speaker 4: been great. Haven't you on the show all year? And
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Speaker 4: I can't wait too what twenty twenty five holds for us?
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Speaker 4: And that is it for twenty twenty four on this program.
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Speaker 4: We've got big things planned at kickoff for early next year.
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Speaker 4: I'll be back on January the thirteenth. We've got a
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Speaker 4: federal election year and of course the second Trump administration
48:44
Speaker 4: about to be sworn in in January, so don't miss it.
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Speaker 4: I want to thank my small and hard working team,
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Speaker 4: especially the executive producer, Tom Blake, who's a gentleman and
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Speaker 4: a scholar, and he's ably assisted by Saskia Hoscombe and
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Speaker 4: Hockham and Shannon Morris. And on the technical side, Tim
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Speaker 4: Bailey and the director in the studio and.
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Speaker 3: His team have been fantastic.
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Speaker 4: And all of our regular commentators, panelists, experts, politicians, you
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Speaker 4: know who they are. They're fantastic and we love their
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Speaker 4: I can't thank you enough. And I hope you have
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Speaker 4: a merry Christmas and a happy Hunterker as it happens
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Speaker 4: this year, and then a terrific New year as we
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Speaker 4: prepare for a big twenty twenty five Trump two point
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Speaker 4: zero and maybe even elbows Alamo.
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Speaker 3: It's also going to be a big year for the
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Speaker 3: Adelaide Crows. Mark my words. Thanks for watching. I'll see
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