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Mega Edition: The Atlantic City Serial Killer (10/1/26) · Beyond The Horizon

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Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome back to the program. A
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Speaker 1: few weeks ago, we were talking about the Long Island
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Speaker 1: serial killer, and I mentioned that there was another serial
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Speaker 1: killer whose crimes were unsolved as well, but this person
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Speaker 1: was active in Atlantic City. Well, today, we're going to
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Speaker 1: talk about that. We're going to talk about the eastbound strangler,
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Speaker 1: the serial killer from Atlantic City. We have an article
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Speaker 1: from the Daily Mail and the author of this article
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Speaker 1: is Donna Anderson. This article was originally published in 2015.
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Speaker 1: Just goes to show you folks, there's really no movement
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Speaker 1: on this case. Hardly anything. And you would think that
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Speaker 1: a case like this, there would be some sort of
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Speaker 1: leads or evidence or they have come up short. And
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Speaker 1: this happened in 2006, so we're talking quite some time.
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Speaker 1: All right, so into the article we go. It's been
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Speaker 1: nine years, but the mystery remains. Who left four women dead,
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Speaker 1: face down, and barefoot in a drainage ditch behind a
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Speaker 1: seedy motel along the highway leading to the gambling mecca
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Speaker 1: of the Jersey Shore? They all worked as prostitutes in
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Speaker 1: Atlantic City, New Jersey. They all had been strangled to death.
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Speaker 1: They were all lying face down in a few inches
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Speaker 1: of water, facing east. So that was this guy's calling card.
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Speaker 1: You know, they talk about M.O. for serial killers, and
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Speaker 1: while I agree with that to a certain extent, I
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Speaker 1: think that some of the cagier ones, some of the
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Speaker 1: smarter ones, they changed their M.O. Why would they continue
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Speaker 1: to kill in the same way? Now, I know for
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Speaker 1: some of them it's pathological, but... Not all of them
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Speaker 1: fit that mold. And we'd be foolish to think that
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Speaker 1: somebody who murdered people like this, if they're not dead,
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Speaker 1: is not active anymore. Maybe they changed their M.O. When
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Speaker 1: we were talking about the Long Island serial killer, I
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Speaker 1: had mentioned that there is a lot of similarities here
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Speaker 1: for me as far as who the perp might be.
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Speaker 1: And there's a lot of experts that will say differently
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Speaker 1: because the M.O., right? People are locked into that. But me,
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Speaker 1: you folks know how I am. I'm a free thinking MF-er.
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Speaker 1: So I think that there is a possibility that these
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Speaker 1: are related. No doubt in my mind. Now, do I
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Speaker 1: have any evidence to prove that to you? Not at all.
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Speaker 1: I'm talking about just my gut feeling here. Either way,
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Speaker 1: the person who did this and the way that he
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Speaker 1: left these women, it is horrifying to think that this
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Speaker 1: person is out there still. No one was ever arrested
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Speaker 1: in the crimes, but criminal profiler John Kelly of New
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Speaker 1: Jersey believes that this case can be solved. His company, STALK,
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Speaker 1: which is self-funded, is now offering a $ 25, 000 reward for
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Speaker 1: information leading to the arrest and conviction of whoever is
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Speaker 1: responsible for the murder of any of the four women.
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Speaker 1: You know, the crazy part is this. These women were prostitutes.
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Speaker 1: So as we've seen in other cases we've studied here
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Speaker 1: and looked at, West Mesa, Long Island, when the victims
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Speaker 1: are prostitutes, not enough resources are used because of the stigma.
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Speaker 1: You know, oh, they're prostitutes. They're leading a dangerous life anyway.
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Speaker 1: That's not how it should be. But the simple fact
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Speaker 1: is that's how it is. We believe somebody knows something
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Speaker 1: and needs to be enticed to talk, Kelly tells Daily
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Speaker 1: Mail Online. Some girls out there may know who he is.
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Speaker 1: They may know him, but not suspect he is a killer,
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Speaker 1: or they may be afraid. We set up an incentive
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Speaker 1: for them to come forward. Rewards work, you know, usually
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Speaker 1: that's that's the case right when you look at someone
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Speaker 1: like Gary Ridgeway the Green River killer This dude was
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Speaker 1: patrolling the same area for a very long time relatively
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Speaker 1: the same area for a very long time He was
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Speaker 1: familiar to a lot of the prostitutes whereas you have
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Speaker 1: somebody like the Long Island serial killer and It's not
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Speaker 1: the same thing, right? He's getting girls off of Craigslist
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Speaker 1: and the internet. So there's not as much of a
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Speaker 1: likelihood as one of the girls on the track recognizing
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Speaker 1: him as somebody who is prolifically coming to their area
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Speaker 1: of the world looking to pick up dates. So there's
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Speaker 1: a whole different paradigm than what it used to be, right?
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Speaker 1: When Kelly and his team first heard the news reports
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Speaker 1: about the murders on November 20th, 2006, they were on
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Speaker 1: the case. Even before the FBI showed up. Doesn't shock me.
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Speaker 1: The FBI really has to be prodded into investigations in
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Speaker 1: the best of times. Never mind when we're talking about
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Speaker 1: simple prostitutes. Police found four women who disappeared approximately a
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Speaker 1: week apart, Kelly said. We thought we had a man
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Speaker 1: on fire killing a woman a week. The bodies were
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Speaker 1: discovered in the wetlands behind the Golden Key Motel right
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Speaker 1: outside of Atlantic City. The motel was recently demolished. Now,
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Speaker 1: I don't know if you folks are familiar with Atlantic City.
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Speaker 1: I know some of you are. And myself, I've been
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Speaker 1: there several times in my life. And what it is
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Speaker 1: now is an absolute cesspool, unfortunately. Atlantic City's in big trouble. But...
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Speaker 1: What these women and what these people were looking for there,
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Speaker 1: who go there, they're looking for their dreams, right? Most
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Speaker 1: of them come from other places, just like in Las Vegas,
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Speaker 1: in search of a better life. And instead, what you
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Speaker 1: find is this serial killer, this sick sociopath. Three of
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Speaker 1: the bodies were in a cluster, each placed within 50
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Speaker 1: to 60 feet of each other, Kelly said. The last
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Speaker 1: woman was was murdered, was found directly behind the motel.
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Speaker 1: So here are the three, I mean, excuse me, the
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Speaker 1: four victims. One of them's name is Barbara, Barbara Breeder,
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Speaker 1: and she is from Philadelphia. She began abusing prescription painkillers.
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Speaker 1: and eventually became addicted to heroin and cocaine. So, once again,
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Speaker 1: the war on drugs, you know, raising its ugly head, right? See,
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Speaker 1: all of these things we talk about, there's a method
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Speaker 1: to my madness, folks. They all relate to each other,
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Speaker 1: at the very least, loosely. And if we didn't have
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Speaker 1: this fucked up war on drugs, and the stigma that
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Speaker 1: goes along with it, how many of these women who
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Speaker 1: become prostitutes would never become prostitutes in the first place?
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Speaker 1: Kimberly Raffo, 35, from Pembroke, Pembroke Pines, Florida got hooked
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Speaker 1: on crack cocaine and left her husband and two children
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Speaker 1: to become a prostitute in Atlantic City. Well, that's real nice, huh?
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Speaker 1: You know, one thing as well, a little pause here.
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Speaker 1: We'll talk about the next two. What about their pimps?
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Speaker 1: Their pimps don't know anything about this. Did they have pimps?
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Speaker 1: My guess is there wasn't a deep enough investigation done
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Speaker 1: like usual. The third victim was Tracy Ann Roberts, 23,
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Speaker 1: of Bear, Delaware. She dropped out of high school, had
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Speaker 1: a child, broke up with her boyfriend, and began using
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Speaker 1: cocaine heavily. The fourth, Molly Jean Diltz, 20 years old,
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Speaker 1: of Blacklick, Pennsylvania. She left her hometown after her mother
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Speaker 1: died of cancer and her brother was fatally shot. She
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Speaker 1: was hooked on crack cocaine. You see what's similar in
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Speaker 1: all of these cases here, folks? Yeah, the use of drugs.
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Speaker 1: And in the case of Molly Jean Diltz, I mean,
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Speaker 1: imagine your mom dies of cancer. Your brother gets fatally shot.
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Speaker 1: You're hooked on crack. Now you go to Atlantic City.
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Speaker 1: How could shit get much worse? Well, folks, it can
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Speaker 1: get worse. And unfortunately for Molly, it did. The way
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Speaker 1: he took the women and propped them up in the ditch,
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Speaker 1: the way he posed the women, spaced them out. He
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Speaker 1: is a very sophisticated killer, Kelly said. Yeah, he likes
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Speaker 1: to admire his work, there's no doubt. Dudes like this,
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Speaker 1: they're admirers. They like to set this stage, right? They
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Speaker 1: like to have it, you know, splayed out in front
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Speaker 1: of them. Some of them will set the women up
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Speaker 1: as an audience, or their murder victims as an audience,
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Speaker 1: as if they're propped up watching these people do whatever
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Speaker 1: it is they're going to do. So yeah, this is
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Speaker 1: definitely the signs of a sophisticated killer, no doubt about it.
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Speaker 1: These were not the first women he killed, and if
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Speaker 1: he's not dead or in jail, they won't be the last.
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Speaker 1: The team immediately crafted a criminal profile of the killer,
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Speaker 1: which Kelly said local authorities used to search for suspects.
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Speaker 1: My guess is, and look, again, I'm certainly not some
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Speaker 1: criminologist or criminal profiler or anything like that, but my
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Speaker 1: guess is this person doesn't live in the area. Somebody
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Speaker 1: that comes on vacation, somebody that was there for business.
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Speaker 1: You look how quick the women were killed and basically,
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Speaker 1: see you later, nothing to be seen or said of
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Speaker 1: this guy ever again. So my guess is he moved
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Speaker 1: on to a different killing field. The initial profile read,
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Speaker 1: This lethal predator is a local male who is very
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Speaker 1: familiar with the Atlantic City area and the disposal site
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Speaker 1: of his victims. You see, again, I disagree with that. Now, look,
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Speaker 1: I'm not going to sit here and tell you I
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Speaker 1: know more than these people. I'm certainly not a professional.
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Speaker 1: I'm some guy sitting in the studio behind a microphone.
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Speaker 1: But I have seen it too many times. People get
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Speaker 1: locked into these, you know, theories or what they believe
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Speaker 1: is true. And then they become very rigid and they're
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Speaker 1: not willing to budge off of whatever their original theory was.
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Speaker 1: And for me, there's just too many hallmarks here of
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Speaker 1: somebody who travels. Why didn't we see any more bodies?
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Speaker 1: Why hasn't there been a glut of bodies in Atlantic City? Now,
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Speaker 1: I wonder what we would come up with if we
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Speaker 1: started looking around the country at women who were strangled
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Speaker 1: in the time period since. Maybe nothing, right? But it
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Speaker 1: would be an interesting investigation nonetheless. He has a very
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Speaker 1: organized personality, which influences his personal and everyday activities, including
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Speaker 1: his work. He is very rigid and structured in his
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Speaker 1: everyday life. A place for everything and everything in its
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Speaker 1: place would be his motto. He has read and reads
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Speaker 1: books on serial killers and has some knowledge of crime
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Speaker 1: scenes and crime investigations. He has an extreme foot fetish
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Speaker 1: and has a collection of women's shoes and the shoes
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Speaker 1: of his victims. Yo, that is legit. Because when he,
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Speaker 1: these women would found, they'd just have nothing, all their
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Speaker 1: clothes would be on, but all that would be gone
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Speaker 1: from them are their shoes. So this sick bastard certainly
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Speaker 1: has a foot fetish. And a lot of this profile
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Speaker 1: that they write up rings true with me. I just,
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Speaker 1: I can't, I won't get pigeonholed into thinking it's a
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Speaker 1: local because that's too easy. If it was a local,
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Speaker 1: my guess would be there would be an explosion of
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Speaker 1: this sort of thing now. I was, you know, very
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Speaker 1: clear that I am not convinced that this has nothing
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Speaker 1: to do with Long Island yet either. So there's definitely
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Speaker 1: a place for that discussion at some point. He has
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Speaker 1: not killed every prostitute he has come in contact with.
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Speaker 1: There are prostitutes who know him for the sexual gratification
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Speaker 1: he gets from their feet. He is non-social and likes
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Speaker 1: to keep to himself. He is narcissistic. Everything revolves around him.
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Speaker 1: And he is also very concerned with making himself look
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Speaker 1: good in all aspects. You know, this is a chilling
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Speaker 1: profile that's being put out there of this dude. Right now,
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Speaker 1: I'm having visions of Edward Norton's character in the Red Dragon,
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Speaker 1: Will Graham, reading out and writing a profile up. But
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Speaker 1: I'll tell you what, this person, if they're still alive,
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Speaker 1: which I think they are, is definitely active. And wherever
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Speaker 1: they're living, there's going to be dead people. Or, on
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Speaker 1: the flip side of that, he could be very, very
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Speaker 1: slick and very smart and only travel to do his killing.
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Speaker 1: He is also extremely opinionated. If criticized or disagreed with,
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Speaker 1: he would become extremely angry or agitated. Although at times,
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Speaker 1: when he wants to, he can be very charming. In
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Speaker 1: his pre-offense mode, he may have spoken about the sinful
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Speaker 1: nature of prostitution, or he may have voiced economic concerns
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Speaker 1: about prostitutes destroying Atlantic City's value or reputation. That doesn't
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Speaker 1: ring true at all with me. This guy's too sophisticated
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Speaker 1: for that. Those are pedantic basic reasons. This man is
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Speaker 1: something different. A different kind of monster, if you will.
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Speaker 1: In his post-offense mode, he would say things like they
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Speaker 1: get what they deserved or good riddance. He follows the
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Speaker 1: news of his killings in the media. His hobbies would
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Speaker 1: include art and photography, and his obsessive fantasies would compel
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Speaker 1: him to search for sexually graphic and or violent pictures
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Speaker 1: in all media. He probably has a prior record of
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Speaker 1: sexual or physical abuse or sexual harassment toward women. He
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Speaker 1: may have recently suffered a setback in his work or
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Speaker 1: in a relationship. Yeah, well, look, he probably was abused himself.
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Speaker 1: A lot of the time, that's the case, right? But
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Speaker 1: that doesn't give you carte blanche to become an abuser
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Speaker 1: when you become older. In fact, I would think that
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Speaker 1: it would set you on a different path. Now, some
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Speaker 1: of this other stuff they talk about definitely rings true
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Speaker 1: with me. The photography, 100%. When you look at the
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Speaker 1: way the girls were laid out and displayed, this is
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Speaker 1: a man with a bit of an artistic flair. This
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Speaker 1: predator is probably detached from his father and was abused
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Speaker 1: as a child. Yes, I agree with that. This person
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Speaker 1: has also killed before these recent victims were found, and
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Speaker 1: he will be compelled to continue his murderous ways in
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Speaker 1: the future. And again, look, I know it's a gigantic leap, right?
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Speaker 1: But if you look at what happened in West Mesa,
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Speaker 1: you look at what happened in Long Island, and you
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Speaker 1: look at what happened in Atlantic City... I mean, I know, again,
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Speaker 1: it is a leap, but there's just something about these
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Speaker 1: three specific areas where these hookers were found murdered the
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Speaker 1: way they were that I just can't shake. Kelly's associate,
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Speaker 1: Frank Adams, came up with the moniker for the killer,
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Speaker 1: the Eastbound Strangler. As soon as Kelly and his team
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Speaker 1: released the profile, they started getting strange phone calls. We
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Speaker 1: felt the guy was following us on the website, Kelly said.
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Speaker 1: So they wanted to flush him out, or at least
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Speaker 1: get him to stop murdering women. Our game was to
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Speaker 1: hit a couple of chords to scare the guy, Kelly said.
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Speaker 1: Serial killers, psychopaths, have no conscience, but they do fear
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Speaker 1: being apprehended. We thought we could get him on the
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Speaker 1: run if we hit a couple of chords. So Kelly
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Speaker 1: started to play with him. They added to the profile,
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Speaker 1: Alfred Adler, MD, once said, show me a person who
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Speaker 1: believes he is superior, and I'll show you a person
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Speaker 1: who believes he is inferior. So they, according to this article, which, look, again,
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Speaker 1: I don't know too much about this John Kelly character.
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Speaker 1: He's been on Investigation Discovery, three episodes of 48 hours.
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Speaker 1: So it's somebody who has, you know, a background in this.
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Speaker 1: But I don't really know if a serial killer who
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Speaker 1: is like this one we're talking about would be rattled
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Speaker 1: by this sort of campaign. This serial killer certainly believes
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Speaker 1: he is superior to others as shown in his God complex.
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Speaker 1: He believes he is all powerful and that he has
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Speaker 1: the last word over life and death. Whether he is
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Speaker 1: posing his victims to the East for some perverted religious
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Speaker 1: reason or opposing them to defame Atlantic City is of
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Speaker 1: yet an unanswered question. My guess is it's some kind
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Speaker 1: of hybrid reason. might have something to do with perversion
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Speaker 1: of religion or could have something to do with him
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Speaker 1: leaving clues. Kind of like the, what's his name? The
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Speaker 1: Zodiac Killer. Some of these guys want to leave breadcrumbs.
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Speaker 1: Another possibility is that this pathological narcissist wants his victims
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Speaker 1: pointed in his direction toward where he lives. That's very possible.
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Speaker 1: That is very astute. And like I said, could be
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Speaker 1: breadcrumbs or it could be breadcrumbs pointing to a different
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Speaker 1: crime scene. Perhaps so he can look across the bay
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Speaker 1: at a defined landmark where these women were posed into
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Speaker 1: subservient positions. Also, perhaps, where he could live out his
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Speaker 1: demented sex power and control fantasies. This egomaniac knows he
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Speaker 1: cannot stop his murderous ways. He is not in control
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Speaker 1: of his behavior anymore, no matter how much power and
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Speaker 1: control he has exhibited on his victims. He has lost
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Speaker 1: his confidence in himself as a man when it pertains
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Speaker 1: to his relationships or his work. He realizes deep in
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Speaker 1: his heart that he is a failure. Look, a lot
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Speaker 1: of these guys, this is definitely the truth. And a
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Speaker 1: lot of them are, you know, pushed into this, living
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Speaker 1: out their fantasies after there's a big breakup or they
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Speaker 1: lose a job. But I'm not so sure that the
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Speaker 1: sociopath we're talking about here is that sort of dude.
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Speaker 1: his narcissism comes from being love and attention deprived in
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Speaker 1: his childhood. An emotional detachment from his father has left
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Speaker 1: him to feel like he is a victim of an
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Speaker 1: overcritical and demeaning mother whose self-destructive prophecy for him will
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Speaker 1: ultimately fulfill. So again, look, they're building this whole profile
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Speaker 1: and I think some of it is a bit of
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Speaker 1: a leap, right? And I don't know how you can
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Speaker 1: come to that conclusion, but again, These guys are obviously
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Speaker 1: good at what they do. He tries to be self-defeating,
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Speaker 1: thoughts of feelings of inferiority through his murderous ways. Unlike
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Speaker 1: his victims, though, he has only succeeded in temporarily burying
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Speaker 1: them alive deep in his mind. Soon, they will come
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Speaker 1: back to haunt him in the form of mistakes and
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Speaker 1: lead to his demise. He can only escape his torturous
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Speaker 1: mind hell by giving himself up to Atlantic City authorities
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Speaker 1: and telling his story to the mass media and the
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Speaker 1: millions of people who are interested in him. So that's
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Speaker 1: what they put out, trying to ghost this dude out
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Speaker 1: and smoke him out. Trying to get him to bite.
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Speaker 1: Hasn't worked. Again, this isn't that kind of guy. I
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Speaker 1: don't think this is a guy that's sitting there wanting
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Speaker 1: people to, you know... Put him up on a pedestal,
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Speaker 1: if you will, or be the head of the news cycle.
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Speaker 1: I think this is much more of a man who
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Speaker 1: gets off on not getting caught. Somebody who gets off
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Speaker 1: on knowing that they can do these vile, disgusting things
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Speaker 1: and get away with it. It's kind of interesting. too.
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Speaker 1: Because this is pretty much the strategy that was employed.
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Speaker 1: Again in the movie Red Dragon by Will Graham. And
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Speaker 1: the FBI's office to try and get the Tooth Fairy involved.
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Speaker 1: To show himself. And they used the reporter Freddie Lowndes
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Speaker 1: to do it. So what they're doing here is they're
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Speaker 1: stroking his ego. They're telling him, look, you're not as
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Speaker 1: swift as you think you are. You're not as good
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Speaker 1: of a killer as you think you are. You're not
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Speaker 1: the best. And what they're trying to do is psychologically
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Speaker 1: get him to step out of the pocket. They updated
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Speaker 1: the profile several times, ultimately writing that the police were
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Speaker 1: probably onto him. And because he was so dangerous, they
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Speaker 1: would probably arrest him at night when he was sleeping.
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Speaker 1: We wanted him to have a problem sleeping, Kelly said.
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Speaker 1: We wanted to get him sleep deprived. And this is, again,
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Speaker 1: I don't believe that that's the case. I think that
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Speaker 1: this man is not a resident of the tri-state area.
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Speaker 1: This is somebody who's coming in here for business. Someone
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Speaker 1: who's coming in here for... vacation, maybe with his family even,
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Speaker 1: and then committing these crimes. Kelly believes they were instrumental
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Speaker 1: stopping the killer's crime spree. We haven't had any prostitutes
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Speaker 1: strangled and murdered by this guy in many years, Kelly said. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: maybe in Atlantic City, right? And maybe you just chased
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Speaker 1: him away to someplace else. We called him off. I
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Speaker 1: don't know if he's dead or in prison, but we
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Speaker 1: got this guy's attention. Four years after the bodies in
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Speaker 1: West Atlantic City were discovered, on December 11th, 2010, cops
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Speaker 1: made a grisly discovery on Gilgo Beach, Long Island, the
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Speaker 1: skeletal remains of a prostitute. Eventually, ten bodies were found
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Speaker 1: along the beach, six identified as prostitutes. Although authorities considered
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Speaker 1: the possibility that the murders were committed by the same person,
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Speaker 1: Kelly doesn't think so. See, and this is where me
21:49
Speaker 1: and Mr. Kelly disagree. The guy on Long Island did
21:53
Speaker 1: not want the bodies to be found. If it weren't
21:56
Speaker 1: for the gal who went missing, Shannon Gilbert, they would
21:58
Speaker 1: have never found those bodies or where they were. With
22:01
Speaker 1: Atlantic City, the way the girls were posed on the
22:04
Speaker 1: bank of the drainage ditch, this guy knew the bodies
22:07
Speaker 1: were going to be found. In our minds, these are
22:10
Speaker 1: two different guys. I disagree. Again, I don't have the
22:14
Speaker 1: evidence these people have, right? And I'm going on gut feeling,
22:18
Speaker 1: but I get the same kind of weird alarm bells
22:22
Speaker 1: going off here that I did when we were first
22:24
Speaker 1: diving into the Epstein story when I knew something was amiss.
22:29
Speaker 1: They talk about how there's MOs and whatnot, but again,
22:33
Speaker 1: I think this guy's crafty enough to understand that. Kelly
22:38
Speaker 1: pointed out that the Long Island serial killer trolled Craigslist
22:42
Speaker 1: or sex sites for victims, whereas the Atlantic City killer
22:46
Speaker 1: picked up girls on the streets in a vehicle. Well,
22:49
Speaker 1: it was earlier on, right? It wasn't as prolific in
22:54
Speaker 1: 2006 as it was when the killer was active in
22:58
Speaker 1: New York. So how do we know what he was
23:02
Speaker 1: using as far as a place to find these girls? Sure,
23:06
Speaker 1: this guy might have been out strolling the streets, but
23:09
Speaker 1: how come nobody has any evidence of that? None of
23:12
Speaker 1: the girls have come forward, nothing. So I have a
23:16
Speaker 1: hard time believing that this man was actually out here
23:18
Speaker 1: trolling the streets. Serial killers all have a distinct signature,
23:23
Speaker 1: Kelly said. And here's where somebody like Mr. Kelly could
23:27
Speaker 1: be pigeonholed and boxed in. As an expert in the field,
23:30
Speaker 1: you don't want to be told nothing, right? I already know.
23:33
Speaker 1: So for this guy, there's no way, no way in
23:36
Speaker 1: hell that these can be related. Whereas for me, I
23:40
Speaker 1: got one of them weird gut feelings, folks. And I
23:44
Speaker 1: got to tell you, it's definitely worth a bigger, longer look.
23:49
Speaker 1: displaying of the girls, I believe, was the signature in
23:52
Speaker 1: Atlantic City. He said, we don't know if those girls
23:55
Speaker 1: were originally, you know, set up in Gilgo Beach. The
24:00
Speaker 1: way they were found, they were dismembered and body parts
24:03
Speaker 1: were found elsewhere. But who knows? That could have been
24:06
Speaker 1: him changing his pattern, changing his M.O. So he doesn't
24:09
Speaker 1: get caught. So people like Mr. Kelly are saying exactly
24:13
Speaker 1: what they're saying here, while this guy's still running amok,
24:16
Speaker 1: acting like a maniac and killing people. I don't know
24:20
Speaker 1: what the Long Island guy's signature was. The bodies were
24:24
Speaker 1: degraded when they were found. He knew how to hide
24:26
Speaker 1: the bodies. It took several weeks, but authorities in the
24:30
Speaker 1: Atlantic City case eventually identified all of the eastbound stranglers' victims.
24:39
Speaker 1: Once again, Kimberly Raffo, 35, from Pembroke Pines, Florida, got
24:43
Speaker 1: hooked on crack cocaine and left her husband and two
24:46
Speaker 1: children to become a prostitute in Atlantic City. Barbara V. Breeder, 42,
24:51
Speaker 1: from Philadelphia, began abusing prescription painkillers and eventually became addicted
24:56
Speaker 1: to heroin and cocaine. Tracy Ann Roberts, 23, of Barrett, Delaware,
25:01
Speaker 1: dropped out of high school, had a child, broke up
25:03
Speaker 1: with her boyfriend, and began using cocaine heavily. Molly Jean Diltz, 20, Blacklick, Pennsylvania,
25:10
Speaker 1: fled her hometown in 2005 after her mother died of
25:14
Speaker 1: cancer and her brother was fatally shot. She was hooked
25:17
Speaker 1: on crack cocaine. John Kelly, the profiler, feels sympathy for
25:22
Speaker 1: the victims and their families. These women were mothers, sisters,
25:26
Speaker 1: and daughters, Kelly said. The reason they're on the street
25:29
Speaker 1: is that they are enslaved to drugs. That's 100% a fact.
25:34
Speaker 1: That is 100% a fact. If they weren't on drugs,
25:37
Speaker 1: they wouldn't be on these streets. No little girl that
25:42
Speaker 1: is 8 or 9 or 10 years old and fantasizing
25:44
Speaker 1: about her future is thinking that she can't wait to
25:47
Speaker 1: grow up to be a drug-addicted street prostitute. Because the
25:51
Speaker 1: women are addicted to drugs, Kelly said, they're selling themselves
25:54
Speaker 1: on the street and they become easy prey. The bottom
25:57
Speaker 1: line is that somebody murdered these women and has never
26:00
Speaker 1: been arrested, Kelly said. Where are they at now? If
26:03
Speaker 1: they're not dead or in prison, they're out there hunting.
26:06
Speaker 1: They'll kill again. This kind of guy, he can't stop.
26:10
Speaker 1: And that's what's chilling to me, folks. I really believe
26:12
Speaker 1: that this dude is still active. And who the fuck
26:14
Speaker 1: knows where he is. So, I mean, I wish there
26:20
Speaker 1: was more that was available to us to dig deeper with,
26:24
Speaker 1: but there really is not much about this case. I'm
26:27
Speaker 1: going to keep digging. I'm going to keep looking for
26:29
Speaker 1: little breadcrumbs, perhaps, or golden nuggets that could help us
26:33
Speaker 1: maybe understand what happened here a little bit better. But
26:38
Speaker 1: I don't buy the whole... This is not the same guy, story, hook, line,
26:42
Speaker 1: and sinker. Not yet. Now, I'm not sold the other
26:45
Speaker 1: way either. I'm not saying for sure it is. But
26:48
Speaker 1: I think that that part of this, as far as
26:51
Speaker 1: looking for who's responsible, definitely deserves a deeper and harder look.
26:57
Speaker 1: Because these girls that were murdered, they deserve justice. And
27:00
Speaker 1: the sick fuck who did it, well, you know what
27:04
Speaker 1: he deserves. If you'd like to contact me, you can
27:07
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27:16
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27:23
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27:26
Speaker 1: description box. All right, everybody, until later on, I hope
27:30
Speaker 1: all of you have a good day. What's up, everyone,
27:33
Speaker 1: and welcome back to the program. We've learned over the
27:37
Speaker 1: past few days since Rex Heuerman's arrest that the authorities
27:41
Speaker 1: were also probing other unsolved cases in places where Rex
27:46
Speaker 1: Heuerman was known to have property or to have visited. Well,
27:51
Speaker 1: now we're getting reports that New Jersey, Atlantic City specifically,
27:56
Speaker 1: is checking into the ties between Rex Heuerman and possibly
28:01
Speaker 1: the four prostitutes who were strangled in Atlantic City right
28:06
Speaker 1: around this same time, and were left all posed with
28:10
Speaker 1: no shoes on and just left there on display. And
28:14
Speaker 1: for me, I've always had this suspicion that if the
28:17
Speaker 1: Long Island serial killer and the eastbound strangler are the
28:21
Speaker 1: same person, the reason that we saw what we saw
28:24
Speaker 1: in Atlantic City is because he was so brazen because
28:27
Speaker 1: he had gotten away with it in New York for
28:30
Speaker 1: so long. So he had that feeling of superiority, right?
28:34
Speaker 1: I'm never going to be caught. I'm God. I have
28:37
Speaker 1: the power of life and death literally over people. Now look,
28:42
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that for sure Rex Heuermann is responsible
28:46
Speaker 1: for what happened up in Atlantic City. But I'm not
28:49
Speaker 1: willing to rule it out either. Because I've had this
28:51
Speaker 1: nagging suspicion for quite some time. And for those of
28:55
Speaker 1: you who have been listening to the podcast, you've heard
28:57
Speaker 1: me go on and on and on about it when
28:59
Speaker 1: we've been discussing this subject. Because I think it's very
29:02
Speaker 1: relevant and certainly worth the investigators taking a look at it. So,
29:07
Speaker 1: to try and make sense of things here, in this episode,
29:09
Speaker 1: we have several different articles that we're going to be
29:12
Speaker 1: looking at. Now, we're not going to read all three
29:15
Speaker 1: of these articles, but there is relevant information in all
29:19
Speaker 1: three of them that helps put this whole entire scenario
29:22
Speaker 1: into context. Alright, so our first article is from the
29:26
Speaker 1: Daily Mail, and the headline... Cops probe Gilgo Beach serial
29:30
Speaker 1: killer suspects' ties to Atlantic City. And interview jailed prostitutes
29:35
Speaker 1: contacted by Rex Heuermann. So as you can see here,
29:39
Speaker 1: the investigators... are certainly taking a look at what happened
29:42
Speaker 1: here like they should be doing. Because of all the leads,
29:45
Speaker 1: all the ties, I say that this one is possibly
29:48
Speaker 1: the strongest. And for those of you who are keeping track,
29:52
Speaker 1: this investigation now spans four different states, New York, Nevada,
29:57
Speaker 1: New Jersey, and South Carolina. This article was authored by
30:01
Speaker 1: Germania Rodriguez Polio. Gilgo Beach serial killer suspect Rex Heuermann
30:08
Speaker 1: could have ties to Atlantic City, police have said. Cops
30:12
Speaker 1: are probing whether the 59-year-old Long Island resident operated in
30:17
Speaker 1: the New Jersey area and have been interviewing jailed sex
30:20
Speaker 1: workers who interacted with them. Now, it's not a long
30:23
Speaker 1: drive at all to get up to Atlantic City. We're
30:27
Speaker 1: talking about a hop, skip and a jump. And I've
30:30
Speaker 1: always thought that the Long Island serial killer was somebody
30:32
Speaker 1: of means as far as finances. So it wouldn't be
30:36
Speaker 1: an impediment on them to make the jaunt up to
30:39
Speaker 1: Atlantic City. And they could always just say, hey, I'm
30:42
Speaker 1: going to gamble. But really, they're going up there for
30:45
Speaker 1: something else. He had reached out to them for sex.
30:48
Speaker 1: Sheriff Errol Tolan from the Suffolk County Police Department told
30:52
Speaker 1: Good Morning America about the prostitutes officials have talked to.
30:56
Speaker 1: They took the calls but did not meet with them.
30:59
Speaker 1: So he called these prostitutes, these escorts, tried to set
31:03
Speaker 1: up dates, and some of them turned them down. They
31:06
Speaker 1: weren't interested for whatever reason. The update from law enforcement
31:10
Speaker 1: comes after it was revealed the Gilgo Beach killings have
31:14
Speaker 1: similarities to murders in the area by the eastbound strangler
31:18
Speaker 1: who killed four sex workers by strangling them near Atlantic City.
31:23
Speaker 1: In the Long Island case, most of the victims were
31:26
Speaker 1: also female sex workers and several of them were strangled.
31:30
Speaker 1: And I know a lot of serial killers stick to
31:32
Speaker 1: the same M.O., They do the same exact thing over
31:36
Speaker 1: and over and over again, but not all serial killers
31:39
Speaker 1: do that. Some of them have mixed MOs, and some
31:42
Speaker 1: of them kill in different manners to try and throw
31:44
Speaker 1: off investigations, especially the more intelligent of these serial killers.
31:49
Speaker 1: So out of that first article, that's pretty much all
31:52
Speaker 1: of the relevant new information. So we're going to jump
31:55
Speaker 1: over to the next article, which is another article from
31:59
Speaker 1: the Daily Mail. And the headline of this article is,
32:03
Speaker 1: Is the Eastbound Strangler and Long Island Serial Killer the
32:06
Speaker 1: same person? Why the four 2006 murders of women near
32:11
Speaker 1: Atlantic City could be linked to the Gilgo Beach killings.
32:15
Speaker 1: This article was authored by Anita Bowle. A flood of
32:21
Speaker 1: fresh evidence after the arrest of suspected killer Rex Uerman
32:25
Speaker 1: could link the Eastbound Strangler and Gilgo Beach serial killer
32:30
Speaker 1: as disturbing details of the Long Island case begin to surface.
32:35
Speaker 1: And on the back of that fresh evidence, as we
32:37
Speaker 1: saw just in that last article, the investigators are now
32:41
Speaker 1: looking into the possibility that these might be connected. And again,
32:46
Speaker 1: just to be clear, I'm not diving in with both
32:48
Speaker 1: feet to the deep end here and telling you there
32:51
Speaker 1: is no doubt that these cases are connected. What I'm
32:54
Speaker 1: saying is whenever there are these kinds of killings in
32:57
Speaker 1: the same vicinity, the same general area, you have to
33:01
Speaker 1: take a look at that and make sure that they're
33:03
Speaker 1: not connected. At the very least to rule it out
33:06
Speaker 1: for the families of the victims in Atlantic City. Let's
33:10
Speaker 1: remember these folks have been waiting for justice for a
33:12
Speaker 1: very long time up there as well. And even if
33:15
Speaker 1: Heuermann isn't connected, somebody out there did this. Heuermann, 59,
33:21
Speaker 1: was arrested Thursday and charged with the murder of three
33:24
Speaker 1: of the Gilgo Four, a group of four women whose
33:27
Speaker 1: remains were unearthed near the island's Gilgo Beach in 2010.
33:32
Speaker 1: He is pleaded not guilty to the killings of Melissa Bartholomew,
33:36
Speaker 1: Megan Waterman, and Amber Costello. Police have said he is
33:41
Speaker 1: also the prime suspect in the Maureen Brainerd Barnes murder.
33:45
Speaker 1: The compelling theory was first presented in Lifetime's latest movie,
33:49
Speaker 1: The Long Island Serial Killer, A Mother's Hunt for Justice. Well,
33:54
Speaker 1: I never saw that movie, but it just made sense
33:57
Speaker 1: to me as well. Whenever you have similar murders taking
34:00
Speaker 1: place and they're affecting the same group of people, you
34:03
Speaker 1: know that you have at least one psychopath on your hands,
34:07
Speaker 1: if not more than that. And that's the question here, right?
34:11
Speaker 1: That's what the investigators got to get to. Is Rex
34:14
Speaker 1: Heuermann tied to what happened in Atlantic City or not?
34:18
Speaker 1: The good news is with all of the new technology
34:21
Speaker 1: that if he did leave any clues, if it is him,
34:25
Speaker 1: of course, then they should be able to trace that back.
34:28
Speaker 1: Any kind of DNA, perhaps, or anything else. Because let's remember,
34:32
Speaker 1: it's not like he was all trussed up over here
34:36
Speaker 1: in Long Island. He left a ton of evidence. We
34:39
Speaker 1: had hair transfers. Hell, we had his own DNA on
34:42
Speaker 1: the burlap of one of the victims. So it's not
34:44
Speaker 1: like he was completely locked in as far as evidence
34:47
Speaker 1: goes and transferring his own DNA to the victims. So
34:52
Speaker 1: if the same is the case up here in New Jersey,
34:55
Speaker 1: possibly they'll be able to connect that DNA. And if not,
34:59
Speaker 1: at the very least, then hopefully they can rule it
35:01
Speaker 1: out and they can move on to a suspect that
35:04
Speaker 1: actually has something to do with it. But until you
35:07
Speaker 1: get to that point and you can be certain, at
35:10
Speaker 1: least as certain as possible, that Heuermann wasn't involved, he
35:14
Speaker 1: has to be one of the prime suspects. In the case,
35:17
Speaker 1: which took place in a township known as Egg Harbor,
35:20
Speaker 1: about 20 minutes west of Atlantic City, all four victims
35:24
Speaker 1: were female sex workers killed by strangling. In the Long
35:28
Speaker 1: Island case, most of the victims were also female sex
35:32
Speaker 1: workers and several of them were also strangled. Now look,
35:36
Speaker 1: That's obviously something that's pretty common amongst the psychopathic killers.
35:41
Speaker 1: A lot of them strangle people. But, again, you can't
35:45
Speaker 1: ignore it. You can't ignore anything at this point. Whether
35:49
Speaker 1: it leads to him being involved or him not being involved,
35:53
Speaker 1: it helps the investigators who are working the case in
35:56
Speaker 1: Atlantic City either way, right? Because if they know it's
35:59
Speaker 1: not Rex Ewerman, they can totally just X him out
36:02
Speaker 1: and focus their resources elsewhere. So either way, this is
36:06
Speaker 1: a good thing. And hopefully the renewed interest here, no
36:09
Speaker 1: matter if Heuermann is connected or not, leads to more
36:13
Speaker 1: interest in what happened in Atlantic City and possibly some
36:16
Speaker 1: kind of task force being put together up there as well.
36:20
Speaker 1: The documentary chronicles the search for the person who murdered
36:23
Speaker 1: at least 10 people whose bodies were found on Gilgo
36:27
Speaker 1: and Oak Beaches in Suffolk County, New York between 2010
36:30
Speaker 1: and 2011. The Long Island serial killer case began in
36:36
Speaker 1: May of 2010 with the disappearance of Shannon Gilbert, a
36:40
Speaker 1: 24-year-old sex worker who vanished after leaving a client's house
36:44
Speaker 1: on foot near Gilgo Beach. A police officer and his
36:48
Speaker 1: cadaver dog were searching for Gilbert's body in a thicket
36:52
Speaker 1: near the beach when they happened upon the remains of
36:55
Speaker 1: a different woman. Within days, three other bodies were found,
36:59
Speaker 1: all within a short distance of one another. By the
37:03
Speaker 1: spring of 2011, that number had climbed to 10 sets
37:07
Speaker 1: of human remains, 8 women, a man, and a toddler.
37:11
Speaker 1: The first four bodies found were those of women in
37:14
Speaker 1: their 20s who worked as prostitutes, according to police. Maureen
37:19
Speaker 1: Brainerd Barnes, 25, went missing on July 9, 2007. Her
37:22
Speaker 1: remains were found on December 13, 2010. Megan Waterman, 22,
37:30
Speaker 1: who had a daughter, went missing on June 6, 2010.
37:35
Speaker 1: Her body was also found on December 13, 2010. The
37:40
Speaker 1: remains of Melissa Bartholomew, 24, who had been living in
37:43
Speaker 1: the Bronx at the time, and Amberlynn Costello, 27, were
37:47
Speaker 1: also found on December 13, 2010. Bartholomew's body was the
37:53
Speaker 1: first to be found. She went missing on July 12, 2009.
37:57
Speaker 1: Costello disappeared on September 2, 2010. So you can see
38:02
Speaker 1: from the times that these women went missing that this man,
38:07
Speaker 1: if he is the person the government's telling us he is,
38:09
Speaker 1: was quite active during this time period. And it falls
38:13
Speaker 1: perfectly in line, time period-wise, with the murders in Atlantic City.
38:19
Speaker 1: Using advanced DNA testing not available early in the case,
38:23
Speaker 1: authorities also re-examined Harris, found on a belt buckle, duct tape,
38:28
Speaker 1: and a burlap restraint used in the killings. Meanwhile, investigators
38:33
Speaker 1: employed more old-fashioned methods to snare a sample of Heuermann's DNA.
38:38
Speaker 1: They tailed him. and sifted through his garbage to pluck
38:41
Speaker 1: 11 bottles from his home and grab partially eaten pizza
38:45
Speaker 1: crust that he tossed into a trash can on a
38:48
Speaker 1: Manhattan sidewalk. The DNA from the pizza matched the hair
38:53
Speaker 1: found on burlap wrapped around one victim and other hairs
38:57
Speaker 1: matched a relative of Heuermann's who isn't a suspect, investigators said.
39:02
Speaker 1: They believe he got the other person's hair on him
39:04
Speaker 1: at home. Speaking to CNN Suffolk County District Attorney, Raymond
39:09
Speaker 1: Tierney said they're confident they'll charge Heuermann for the fourth
39:13
Speaker 1: murder of Brainerd Barnes. We're confident that we're going to
39:17
Speaker 1: be able to eventually charge that fourth murder, Tierney said.
39:21
Speaker 1: We have a description of the last individual who saw
39:24
Speaker 1: the final victim, Amber Costello, alive that matches that of
39:29
Speaker 1: this defendant. who has a rather unique physical appearance. Tierney said,
39:34
Speaker 1: we have phone evidence and we also have that DNA evidence.
39:38
Speaker 1: In March 2011, police discovered the skull of a 20-year-old
39:43
Speaker 1: prostitute identified as Jessica Taylor. Five more remains were discovered
39:49
Speaker 1: at Gilgo Beach over the next two weeks. Gilbert's body
39:53
Speaker 1: was later found in the marsh in the community of
39:56
Speaker 1: Oak Beach in December of 2011, about three miles east
40:00
Speaker 1: of where the other ten sets were discovered. Police have
40:04
Speaker 1: long maintained that Gilbert's death was accidental and excluded her
40:09
Speaker 1: from the ten other bodies found during the case. They
40:13
Speaker 1: said at the time that she drowned in a drug-induced
40:15
Speaker 1: haze after wandering into the wetland, but her relatives have
40:19
Speaker 1: long disputed that determination. An independent autopsy results commissioned by
40:25
Speaker 1: Gilbert's mother indicated she too may have been strangled like
40:29
Speaker 1: the other victims. So how do you explain that, right?
40:32
Speaker 1: As the authority is trying to say that she drowned,
40:35
Speaker 1: how do you explain this second autopsy that says she
40:38
Speaker 1: was strangled? I'd love to hear that explanation. Four years
40:42
Speaker 1: before the first Long Island victim was found, police were
40:45
Speaker 1: faced with their own gruesome mystery. On November 20, 2006,
40:50
Speaker 1: two women came across the body of 35-year-old Kim Raffo
40:56
Speaker 1: in a drainage ditch behind the Golden Key Motel in
40:59
Speaker 1: Egg Harbor Township. Police arrived to discover the bodies of
41:03
Speaker 1: three other women, Barbara V. Bredor, 42, Molly Jean Diltz, 20,
41:11
Speaker 1: and Tracy Ann Roberts, 23, a few yards away from Raffo.
41:16
Speaker 1: So not exactly the burial ground that he had in
41:20
Speaker 1: Long Island, but very similar, right? Four girls right next
41:24
Speaker 1: to each other, strangled. The bodies were each in different
41:28
Speaker 1: stages of decomposition, suggesting that they were killed at different times.
41:33
Speaker 1: Their bodies were displayed in the same manner, face down,
41:37
Speaker 1: pointing east, and barefoot. And it took so long for
41:40
Speaker 1: the bodies to be located in Long Island, how do
41:43
Speaker 1: we know they weren't displayed in the same manner? Did
41:45
Speaker 1: they have their shoes? Did they have socks on? Again,
41:48
Speaker 1: this is stuff we don't know. And as an investigator,
41:52
Speaker 1: you gotta dive deep into all of that. So hopefully,
41:55
Speaker 1: now that the two groups of investigators are talking, they'll
41:58
Speaker 1: be able to compare some evidence and come to a conclusion,
42:02
Speaker 1: one way or the other, if Heuermann might have been
42:04
Speaker 1: involved here. Police believe all four women who were sex
42:08
Speaker 1: workers were strangled. Unlike the Long Island case, the eastbound
42:13
Speaker 1: strangler still hasn't been identified nearly 15 years later. While
42:18
Speaker 1: Lifetime's flick drew several comparisons between the two mysteries, investigators
42:23
Speaker 1: are yet to connect the two cases. Well, they are now. Remember,
42:27
Speaker 1: in the first article we talked about was the new article,
42:30
Speaker 1: and that was the update that the investigators are now
42:33
Speaker 1: talking to each other. New Jersey criminal profiler John Kelly
42:39
Speaker 1: first heard about the murders near Atlantic City on November 20th, 2006.
42:44
Speaker 1: Three of the bodies were in a cluster, each placed
42:47
Speaker 1: within 50 to 60 feet of each other, Kelly said.
42:50
Speaker 1: The last woman murdered was found directly behind the motel.
42:54
Speaker 1: And very similar, right? I mean, the same thing happened
42:57
Speaker 1: down at Gilgo Beach. 50, 60 feet between each body,
43:01
Speaker 1: all of them, you know, buried close to each other.
43:05
Speaker 1: Is this the same M.O.? Undetermined, but there are some
43:09
Speaker 1: striking similarities. The way he took the women and propped
43:13
Speaker 1: them up in the ditch, the way he posed the women,
43:16
Speaker 1: spaced them out, he is a very sophisticated killer, Kelly
43:20
Speaker 1: told the DailyMail.com in an earlier interview. Kelly's team immediately
43:25
Speaker 1: crafted a criminal profile of the killer, which Kelly said
43:28
Speaker 1: local authorities used to search for suspects. The initial profile read,
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Speaker 1: This lethal predator is a local male who is very
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Speaker 1: familiar with the area around Atlantic City and the disposal
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Speaker 1: site of his victims. He has a very organized personality,
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Speaker 1: which influences his personal and everyday activities, including his work.
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Speaker 1: He is very rigid and structured in his everyday life.
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Speaker 1: A place for everything and everything in its place would
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Speaker 1: be his motto. He has read and read books on
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Speaker 1: serial killers and he has some knowledge of crime scenes
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Speaker 1: and crime scene investigations. He has an extreme foot fetish
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Speaker 1: and has a collection of women's shoes and the shoes
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Speaker 1: of his victims. He has not killed every prostitute he
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Speaker 1: has come in contact with. There are prostitutes who know
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Speaker 1: him for the sexual gratification he gets from their feet.
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Speaker 1: He is non-social and likes to keep to himself. He
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Speaker 1: is narcissistic Everything revolves around him, and he is also
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Speaker 1: very concerned with making himself look good in all aspects. Now,
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Speaker 1: is that Rex Uriman to a T? No, but there
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Speaker 1: certainly are some similarities with this profile and who Rex
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Speaker 1: Uriman is, or the profile emerging of who Rex Uriman is.
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Speaker 1: He is also extremely opinionated. If criticized or disagreed with,
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Speaker 1: he would become extremely angry or agitated. Although at times,
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Speaker 1: when he wants to, he can be very charming. In
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Speaker 1: his post-defense mode, he would say things like they got
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Speaker 1: what they deserved or good riddance. He follows the news
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Speaker 1: of his killings in the media. His hobbies would include
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Speaker 1: art and photography, and his obsessive fantasies would compel him
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Speaker 1: to search for sexually graphic and or violent pictures in
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Speaker 1: all media. You folks paying attention here to this profile?
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Speaker 1: He probably has a prior record of sexual or physical
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Speaker 1: abuse or sexual harassment toward women. He may have recently
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Speaker 1: suffered a setback in his work or in his relationship.
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Speaker 1: This predator is probably detached from his father and was
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Speaker 1: abused as a child. This person has also killed before.
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Speaker 1: These recent victims were found... and he will be compelled
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Speaker 1: to continue his murderous ways in the future. Now, how
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Speaker 1: many of those boxes does Rex Heuermann check off? Well,
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Speaker 1: when looking at both cases side by side, Rex Heuermann
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Speaker 1: certainly checks off a lot of these boxes. Dailymail.com has
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Speaker 1: put this profile to Suffolk County Police Department and the
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Speaker 1: Gilgo Beach Killings Task Force for comment. Kelly did not
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Speaker 1: believe there to be a link at the time. Some
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Speaker 1: of the Long Island victim families were also not sold
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Speaker 1: on this theory, but are yet to make comments since
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Speaker 1: Huerman's arrest, including Melissa Kan, whose sister Maureen Brainerd Barnes
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Speaker 1: was one of the first women found dead on Long Island.
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Speaker 1: I do not believe the murder victims near Atlantic City
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Speaker 1: are related to my sister's murder, Kan said. It has
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Speaker 1: never been told to me that they are or were linked.
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Speaker 1: From my understanding, they are not. My answer to that is,
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Speaker 1: just take a look what happened in Portland recently, and
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Speaker 1: how they were trying to deny the fact that there
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Speaker 1: was a serial killer. Do you really think they want
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Speaker 1: to talk about a serial killer who's going up and
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Speaker 1: down the eastern seaboard and murdering women? Highly doubt they
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Speaker 1: want that information out there, especially if it's only vulnerable
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Speaker 1: women who are being affected. The Lifetime film leaves open
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Speaker 1: the possibility of a connection, however, and ended with a
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Speaker 1: call of justice for victims in both cases. On Sunday,
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Speaker 1: a New York State police removed a massive haul of
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Speaker 1: weapons from the house, a day after scouring the property
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Speaker 1: to determine whether Heuermann had any trophies from three victims
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Speaker 1: he is charged with murdering. Exclusive DailyMail.com photo show officers
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Speaker 1: carrying out at least four long-barreled firearms from the architect's
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Speaker 1: dungeon-like house, as well as several blue plastic boxes with
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Speaker 1: weapons in them. Despite Heuermann's arrest in connection to three
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Speaker 1: of the Gilgo Beach homicides, the cases of several other
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Speaker 1: human remains uncovered in the area around the same time
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Speaker 1: are still unsolved. Though prosecutors have said in court documents
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Speaker 1: that Heuermann is also the prime suspect in the killing
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Speaker 1: of Brainerd Barnes, the last of the Gilgo Four, no
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Speaker 1: charges have been made in that case. The investigation is
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Speaker 1: expected to be resolved soon, according to prosecutors' bail application.
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Speaker 1: All right, so what do you folks think? Do you
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Speaker 1: think that these murders in Atlantic City and Long Island
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Speaker 1: are connected? Or do you think that they just share
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Speaker 1: some similarities and what we're dealing with is another psycho
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Speaker 1: that's on the loose that's responsible for what happened in
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Speaker 1: Atlantic City? Shoot me some emails and let me know
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Speaker 1: what's up. All right, everybody, that's going to do it
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