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Episode 490: BOB DOLE 1995 Clintons Comeback The Florida Straw Poll Debate at Presidency 3 (Part B) The Results · BOB DOLE : 1995 Clinton's Comeback

0:27
SPEAKER_00: The Florida Strawberry And we'll have the result of the Florida Straw President Orlando at the very end of the enjoyable We're back on a special two hour edition of uh Larry King Live tomorrow.
1:31
SPEAKER_02: 3,500 delegates.
1:32
SPEAKER_02: They're all stumbled here at the beautiful, this beautiful convention center in Orlando.
1:37
SPEAKER_02: Jeff Bush and his folks have done a great job, Jeff, down there in the first row, putting this together and organizing it.
1:45
SPEAKER_02: Joining us tonight from Washington of Senator Arlen Spector of Pennsylvania, three-term Senator Dick Luther from the state of Indiana, also from the Senate Ranked Phil Graham of Texas, served in Congressman 79, Congressman Bob Dornan from California, in Congress next year 40 years, Steve Forbes, publisher of the major American business magazine Forbes, the Senate Majority Leader Bob Dole from the state of Kansas, and here in Orlando, the former UN Economic Council Ambassador Alan Keyes, the commentator Pat Buchanan, and the former Tennessee Governor and Education Secretary Lamar Alexander.
2:29
SPEAKER_02: And we'll give uh give Senator Dole a chance to respond to uh Steve Forbes' charge about taxes.
2:36
SPEAKER_10: Well, I I'll I'll respond this way.
2:38
SPEAKER_10: I was uh very proud to uh help President Reagan push through the biggest tax increase, a tax cut in history in 1981.
2:47
SPEAKER_10: And we had uh voted against 30 tax increases since 1985.
2:51
SPEAKER_10: Some of the tax increases were closing loopholes where major corporations in America were in effect ripping off the American public.
2:58
SPEAKER_10: And many of those were loophole closers, not not rate increases, and most were suggested by President Reagan when I was chairman of the Finance Committee.
3:06
SPEAKER_10: In addition, I was very proud to help stop the biggest tax in try to stop the biggest tax increase in the history of America, uh Bill Clinton's$265 billion tax increase, and tonight just left the Senate floor 30 minutes ago, and by a vote of 52 to 47, we're gonna cut taxes$245 billion for the American people.
3:27
SPEAKER_10: That's a Bob Dole record, and I'm proud of it.
3:29
SPEAKER_07: You think, Alan?
3:31
SPEAKER_07: I I I gotta tell you, I suppose we are supposed to sit here and forget that in 1990, in a budget deal that sunk the Bush presidency, there was also a whole lot of promises.
3:44
SPEAKER_07: We just passed the bill for the balance of budget.
3:46
SPEAKER_07: Do you remember when it was supposed to balance the budget?
3:48
SPEAKER_07: Does anybody here have any memory of when that awful budget deal was supposed to balance the budget?
3:53
SPEAKER_07: Because I'll tell you when it was supposed to balance the budget, and we shouldn't be sitting here talking about it being done in seven years.
3:59
SPEAKER_07: How many times are we gonna go back to the same well, Mrs.
4:02
SPEAKER_07: Default in Washington, tell us they got the job done, and then come back to us three to four years later to say we have to do it again.
4:08
SPEAKER_07: When America's been done in 20, and it's time we started to get back to the government.
4:12
SPEAKER_10: Well, we're under we're under new management now.
4:14
SPEAKER_10: We got Republican Congress.
4:21
SPEAKER_05: Bill Graham engineered that tax increase in his own.
4:27
SPEAKER_05: All three United States senators voted for it.
4:30
SPEAKER_05: One candidate, one individual gave up his job and went into the state of New Hampshire and said, My president is wrong.
4:38
SPEAKER_05: We should not break our pledges, we should not raise taxes, and that was Pat Buchanan in the New Hampshire primary of 1992.
4:49
SPEAKER_06: Larry, Governor Alexander, let me first set the facts right.
4:53
SPEAKER_06: I voted against the 1990 patent uh tax increase, and Pat Buchanan knows it.
4:58
SPEAKER_06: But we need all you and Dick Garden.
5:01
SPEAKER_06: I was up there with you, Bill.
5:04
SPEAKER_06: Thank you, Pat.
5:05
SPEAKER_06: I appreciate you making up things.
5:07
SPEAKER_06: But here's the bottom line about balancing the budget.
5:10
SPEAKER_06: We have got to set standards in spending the taxpayers' money.
5:14
SPEAKER_06: And here is something I said make me president, and if I don't balance the federal budget in my first four years as president, I won't run for re-election.
5:25
SPEAKER_06: Larry?
5:28
SPEAKER_02: Larry, Governor Alexander, and then we'll go back to Washington.
5:31
SPEAKER_11: I think what all this, I think what all this proves, all this talk in Washington, is that what we need to go help our senators from Washington is someone who's balanced state budgets, reduced the state debt, earned a triple-A bond rating, had the fifth lowest taxes, doubled the growth in his economy, and has a chief executive background and can help our senators remember what they promised to do.
5:59
SPEAKER_11: Senator Luter.
6:01
SPEAKER_13: Well, let me just point out that when I was mayor of Indianapolis, I reduced the property taxes five times out of eight.
6:07
SPEAKER_13: But the major point that we try to emphasize in that city was growth.
6:11
SPEAKER_13: Now, Bob Dornen talked earlier about the end of the income taxes.
6:15
SPEAKER_13: That's what I'm for.
6:16
SPEAKER_13: That will generate growth, savings and investment, the end of the income tax, the end of capital gains, the end of gift taxes, the end of the IRS.
6:25
SPEAKER_13: And we move then on to tax spending and consumption, not investment in this country.
6:30
SPEAKER_13: We've got to have growth even as we balance the budget.
6:33
SPEAKER_13: Senator Spector.
6:36
SPEAKER_03: Well, I think that the growth aspect has not been emphasized nearly enough.
6:41
SPEAKER_03: And that's why balancing the budget is one side of the economic coin, but the other side of the economic coin uh is the flat tax.
6:49
SPEAKER_03: It's fine to talk conceptually about a sales tax, but the only concrete plan that is out there today is the Hall Rebuska plan that Dick Army has introduced in the House of Representatives and that I've introduced in the Senate.
7:02
SPEAKER_03: Uh my colleagues here talk about wanting to reduce the capital gains tax.
7:07
SPEAKER_03: I want to eliminate the capital gains tax entirely.
7:10
SPEAKER_03: I started the show you a minute or two ago, uh, Larry, about some things.
7:15
SPEAKER_02: We have trouble seeing that.
7:16
SPEAKER_02: We asked them not to bring problems.
7:18
SPEAKER_03: Well, uh it's in a pocket.
7:21
SPEAKER_03: Uh it's a postcard.
7:23
SPEAKER_03: You can fill it out, uh, you can fill it out in 15 minutes.
7:26
SPEAKER_03: It would save five billion uh hours a year of federal taxpayers.
7:30
SPEAKER_09: Is that a good idea, Steve Forbes?
7:32
SPEAKER_09: Larry, it's uh I I would even go further and combine a flat tax with a tax cut because Washington should adjust to the needs of the nation, not the other way around.
7:43
SPEAKER_09: And all of these people here tonight, when the lights are off and they go back to the cloakroom, somehow taxes seem to go up, spending seems to go up, and the conversation tonight has been very little on economic growth.
7:56
SPEAKER_09: Talking about a balanced budget is all fine and well, but it should always be a means to an end to give more opportunity to more people.
8:04
SPEAKER_09: And I think that Senator Graham earlier this evening was very good in terms of the gloom and doom of Washington when he talked about getting more people off the wagon than pulling the wagon.
8:13
SPEAKER_09: Larry, in America, the genius of the American people is we invent tractors to pull wagons, not people.
8:20
SPEAKER_02: Senator Dole.
8:21
SPEAKER_02: Senator Dole, economics is not the only thing.
8:24
SPEAKER_02: I mean, we do have a country of people, we have health, we have education, we have values.
8:30
SPEAKER_02: We have values, right?
8:31
SPEAKER_10: I mean, it's not just dollars.
8:33
SPEAKER_10: Well, economics is very important.
8:34
SPEAKER_10: Or is it but I think values is very important.
8:37
SPEAKER_10: Self-reliance, honesty, responsibility, durability, all those things that we like to talk about.
8:43
SPEAKER_10: Uh, I've I've spoken out on some of the excesses in Hollywood, and I started doing that a long time ago.
8:50
SPEAKER_10: I've spoken out on voluntary prayer in school a long time ago.
8:54
SPEAKER_10: I've spoken out on block grants back to states, give the power back to states back as far as 1979.
9:00
SPEAKER_10: And my view, there are a lot of things that uh are wrong with America, but compared to any other country, you know, we're the envy of the world.
9:07
SPEAKER_10: And we can argue about, you know, we we have an economic growth and tax reform commission headed by Jack Kemp, who has a great reputation for growth.
9:15
SPEAKER_10: Good friend of Steve Forbes and everybody on this panel.
9:18
SPEAKER_10: He's gonna report to Newt Gingrich and I, the speaker and I, sometime late December.
9:22
SPEAKER_10: And we hope to have a plan we can take the American people next year.
9:26
SPEAKER_10: One thing we want to be concerned about in the flat tax, we do not to help people other than the wealthy, that the middle class Americans also get a tax cut.
9:34
SPEAKER_10: So we're waiting for Jack's report.
9:37
SPEAKER_10: Foreign policy is important.
9:38
SPEAKER_10: Pardon?
9:39
SPEAKER_10: I'm sorry, go ahead.
9:40
SPEAKER_10: Well, I just think there are a number of things out there important.
9:42
SPEAKER_10: Certainly, economy's always important.
9:45
SPEAKER_10: We think we took a big step in the right direction.
9:47
SPEAKER_10: I would say to Pat Buchanan and Lamar, keep in mind we have a Republican Congress for the first time in 40 years.
9:53
SPEAKER_10: That's why this year it's gonna be different.
9:55
SPEAKER_10: We're gonna balance a budget for seven years because of Republican Congress.
9:58
SPEAKER_02: Well, with more.
10:01
SPEAKER_02: Let's do this, Tom.
10:02
SPEAKER_02: We'll be right back.
10:02
SPEAKER_02: Don't go away.
10:52
SPEAKER_02: So we're trying to give everybody a balanced, equal time.
10:54
SPEAKER_02: We do owe a little toward the side in Washington.
10:57
SPEAKER_02: We will come back in a free round, Robin, and at the end, everyone will have uh two minutes to say anything they wish.
11:02
SPEAKER_02: But let's start with uh Senator Luger this time.
11:05
SPEAKER_02: Your comments on what Senator Dole said, or anything you wish to say with regard to economics as the only major issue we're discussing here.
11:13
SPEAKER_13: Well, clearly, the foreign policy of the country is absolutely basic for the presidency as well as how well the country works.
11:20
SPEAKER_13: Now, our our race for president ought to be emphasizing our views on how we're gonna bring about better American security.
11:27
SPEAKER_13: I think we ought to also be talking about the environment, about the cities, about a good number of situations that verge on economics, but uh clearly stay way away from it.
11:37
SPEAKER_13: I I'm I would hope specifically we began to think through why President Clinton's not been very successful coming into this Bosnian predicament, why we have a horrible mess there.
11:48
SPEAKER_13: I I think it's an indictment of this administration and one that we're going to have to try to rescue, I believe, in the Senate.
11:54
SPEAKER_02: Larry?
11:55
SPEAKER_02: Why Senator why Congressman Dornan is Clinton ahead in the polls?
12:00
SPEAKER_12: Well, first of all, uh I don't believe he is.
12:04
SPEAKER_12: I believe that no, no, there is uh this whole computer thing about dirty in, dirty out.
12:12
SPEAKER_12: I we're all experts at polling, at least those those of us who've been elected.
12:16
SPEAKER_12: And you ask stupid questions, leading questions in a poll, and you're going to get dumb answers back.
12:22
SPEAKER_12: If you ask people who have children or grandchildren about the massive debt that we're putting on them, crushing them with, because of the attitudes of people that money grows on trees, liberals, and the Democrat Party, you will get an angry answer from those people who truly love it.
12:41
SPEAKER_02: If you ask and you ask them to take Medicare, if you ask either to vote for Clinton or Dorman, they would answer one or the other.
12:47
SPEAKER_12: Right?
12:48
SPEAKER_12: Well, you put me in a head on with Clinton, and most of the country doesn't know who I am.
12:52
SPEAKER_12: But let me debate Bill Clinton, the most corrupt man to ever sit in the White House in two centuries, and I will be the next president.
13:04
SPEAKER_02: You want to just watch him sign that pat.
13:07
SPEAKER_02: Yes, go ahead, Phil.
13:08
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I'm back to go back.
13:10
SPEAKER_02: Let me go back to the committee.
13:12
SPEAKER_02: Hold on one second.
13:12
SPEAKER_02: Let me apologize for calling some of these people by their first names.
13:15
SPEAKER_13: Oh, people are calling me a lot worse than Phil, Larry.
13:17
SPEAKER_13: Thank you.
13:18
SPEAKER_13: But I know these people.
13:20
SPEAKER_06: Let me go back to the issue of economics and value.
13:23
SPEAKER_06: I think whether we look at the economic crisis, the deficit, the tax burden, the regulatory burden, or whether we look at the moral crisis, illegitimacy, crime, the destruction of the basic values and virtues of our country.
13:37
SPEAKER_06: That if we're going to be honest with ourselves, we got it met that we're either going to change the policy of the federal government and change it dramatically, or in 20 years we're not going to be living in the same country that we grew up in.
13:49
SPEAKER_06: And the question is, who can make those changes?
13:53
SPEAKER_06: I think that's what this campaign for president is about.
13:56
SPEAKER_06: Who is strong enough and committed enough to do those things?
13:59
SPEAKER_05: Let me talk about it.
14:03
SPEAKER_05: One of the changes, Phil, that you folks have talked about is shutting down the Department of Education.
14:08
SPEAKER_05: That is a destructive federal agency.
14:11
SPEAKER_05: You've got goals 2000, outcome-based education.
14:14
SPEAKER_05: You have said you would shut down the Department of Education.
14:18
SPEAKER_05: You have the power and the authority.
14:21
SPEAKER_05: Why haven't you done it?
14:22
SPEAKER_05: Why haven't you shut down the Department of Education and done something about those two to three million dollar congressional pensions, all you fellas enjoy up there?
14:30
SPEAKER_05: Hold it.
14:30
SPEAKER_05: Will you believe that, Governor Alexander?
14:35
SPEAKER_11: Of course I do.
14:36
SPEAKER_11: And I went in 1981 to see President Reagan with several governors.
14:46
SPEAKER_02: Senator Dole, you respond to that then.
14:48
SPEAKER_10: Well, I voted against uh the Department of Education in 1979.
14:51
SPEAKER_10: When Lamar was secretary, I think we increased the Congress did, I think, the budget to about 40 percent.
14:56
SPEAKER_10: So you must have liked it at that time.
14:58
SPEAKER_10: But I I think we can eliminate the Department of Education.
15:01
SPEAKER_10: We can't electron we can eliminate the Department of Transportation and Energy and the Department of Commerce, but it takes a while to do it, Pat.
15:08
SPEAKER_10: Give us a little time.
15:09
SPEAKER_10: You know, we're trying to make changes here that haven't occurred in 40 years.
15:13
SPEAKER_10: We have a Republican Congress for the first time in 40 years.
15:16
SPEAKER_10: It may take more than one year or two years to make these fundamental changes, but with strong leadership in the White House, somebody who's made tough decisions and is not afraid to lead and will help the Republican Congress, we'll get these things done.
15:29
SPEAKER_02: Are you uh but I don't Alan?
15:33
SPEAKER_07: Larry, Alan, then we'll get a hold of one second, Alan, and we'll come back to the.
15:37
SPEAKER_07: The major problem that we're gonna face, though, is that we don't seem to have a good understanding here in principle of what we're doing.
15:42
SPEAKER_07: We talk about the moral crisis and the economic crisis like they're two different things.
15:46
SPEAKER_07: And then we see what's actually feeding these enormous budget deficits, and what is it?
15:50
SPEAKER_07: The money we spend on welfare, which is related to the collapse of the family, which is the moral crisis, the money we spend fighting crime, which is related to the collapse of the family, which is the moral crisis, the money we have wasted on education, increasing for capitalist spending year after year after year, with declining results.
16:04
SPEAKER_07: But the most important factor in education is the home environment, all related to the moral crisis.
16:10
SPEAKER_07: The problem that we just heard is that these gentlemen think these are two different crises.
16:14
SPEAKER_07: You got values over here and economics over here.
16:16
SPEAKER_07: They are the same crisis.
16:18
SPEAKER_07: And we must give the priority to addressing the moral issues, or the rest of it's not going to work.
16:23
SPEAKER_02: We'll be right back with more on Larry King Live from Washington and Orlando.
16:27
SPEAKER_02: Don't go away.
17:04
SPEAKER_02: Steve Forbes, are your only issues economic?
17:07
SPEAKER_09: Larry, uh, there are a whole host of issues, but I do want to emphasize that values and economics are one and the same.
17:14
SPEAKER_09: By values I mean hard work, grip, faith, trust, a belief in individual opportunity and responsibility, a belief in progress, and a belief that we're on this earth and in this land for a higher purpose.
17:27
SPEAKER_09: And the whole purpose of this campaign is to remove the obstacles to growth, hope, and opportunity.
17:33
SPEAKER_09: We have a tax cut passed tonight, very nice but inadequate.
17:37
SPEAKER_09: We do need to scrap this corrupt tax code, which my colleagues here tonight have not done in all the years they've been in Congress.
17:44
SPEAKER_09: Only Johnny come lately to it.
17:46
SPEAKER_09: We also need to lower interest rates, make the dollar sound, get four and a half percent mortgages back again, so that a family of four pays no tax on their first$36,000 of income, only a 17% rate above that, and a four and a half percent 30-year fixed rate mortgage.
18:04
SPEAKER_09: We had it before, take it out of the hands of the politicians, and we'll get it again.
18:09
SPEAKER_09: And then there are a whole slew of other things we have to do, like term limits, social security for younger workers.
18:15
SPEAKER_09: We'll give return that to them in individual retirement accounts, medical savings accounts.
18:20
SPEAKER_09: These are all issues that we have to address.
18:23
SPEAKER_09: And in foreign policy, yes, we do need to discuss that, but I think uh the one thing I want to say is no troops in Bosnia.
18:30
SPEAKER_02: That's it.
18:31
SPEAKER_02: That was the question.
18:32
SPEAKER_02: You say no troops in Bosnia.
18:34
SPEAKER_02: Let's go around for everyone.
18:35
SPEAKER_02: Bob Doran, do you say I know I've been to Bosnia three times.
18:41
SPEAKER_12: This week I went up to Arlene State and stood at the graveside of Randy Sugar, who won the Medal of Honor in Mogadishu, was beaten to death, uh, winning that medal of honor.
18:53
SPEAKER_12: It was Gary Gordon, where I drove north from Bangor Maine and visited his grave a week ago Saturday.
18:59
SPEAKER_12: We are going to get killed, people in Bosnia.
19:03
SPEAKER_12: We should not be there.
19:04
SPEAKER_12: It is great to have Steve Forbes speak out forcefully.
19:08
SPEAKER_12: These four senators will have to vote on it soon.
19:11
SPEAKER_12: I hope they're as tough as the House.
19:14
SPEAKER_12: I helped leave the vote tonight, spoke 10 minutes at rules last night, and the vote was 243 to 171, and I, Bob Dorner, will drop the articles of impeachment if Clinton tries to put our men and women on the ground in Bosnia without coming to the United States Congress.
19:38
SPEAKER_06: Well, Larry, I think you've got to.
19:42
SPEAKER_06: I'm talking about Bosnia.
19:44
SPEAKER_06: I think you've got to have the following test met before you send American troops into combat.
19:50
SPEAKER_06: Number one, do you have a vital national interest?
19:53
SPEAKER_06: I think uh Bosnia has a hard time making that case.
19:56
SPEAKER_06: Number two, can our intervention be decisive in promoting those interests?
20:01
SPEAKER_06: And I think Bosnia fails on that account.
20:04
SPEAKER_06: And number three, never ever, under any circumstance, am I going to send Americans into combat under UN command.
20:13
SPEAKER_02: Senator Spector, so you disagreed with the Korea then.
20:17
SPEAKER_02: Senator Spector.
20:18
SPEAKER_03: We should not send uh troops into Bosnia.
20:21
SPEAKER_03: Uh we have had a field policy on the Clinton administration.
20:25
SPEAKER_03: Long ago, we should have lifted the arms embargo to allow the Bosnian Muslims to defend themselves against the atrocities of the Bosnian Serbs.
20:33
SPEAKER_03: And we really have to be sure that President Clinton does not act on his own in violation of the Constitution.
20:39
SPEAKER_03: Only the Congress has the authority to declare war.
20:42
SPEAKER_03: In Somalia, he went ahead on nation building, and the Congress of the United States had a lot of fun.
20:49
SPEAKER_03: Senator Luther.
20:57
SPEAKER_13: I think no one who is responsible for handy to present can rule anything out or in at this stage.
21:03
SPEAKER_13: And I would simply say to all my colleagues, we better make further peace treaty at sound.
21:08
SPEAKER_13: We ought to be contributing to that now to make further build down of the tanks, the artillery, the aircraft are taken away from the combatants.
21:15
SPEAKER_13: They were very clear that they want peace, that there is in fact a total legal commitment to this, that we are in charge of it.
21:23
SPEAKER_13: And under some circumstances, I can see that our troops may be required for stability in Europe as well as our own American leadership.
21:31
SPEAKER_10: Senator Dole! I think the president has yet to make his case.
21:36
SPEAKER_10: I asked the president three basic questions about, I think, three or four weeks ago.
21:41
SPEAKER_10: How many troops do you send, Mr.
21:43
SPEAKER_10: President?
21:43
SPEAKER_10: How long will they be there, and how much will it cost?
21:45
SPEAKER_10: And what is the national interest?
21:47
SPEAKER_10: What is the American interest?
21:49
SPEAKER_10: Uh I've been leading an effort the past two years, supported by all of my colleagues in the Senate, to lift the arms embargo in Bosnia.
21:55
SPEAKER_10: If we did that, we wouldn't have to send American troops.
21:58
SPEAKER_10: They can defend themselves if given the opportunity in Bosnia, and that's been a big, big issue with President Clinton.
22:05
SPEAKER_10: But the President is the President is the commander in chief.
22:07
SPEAKER_10: He has to make the decision, but he has not yet persuaded the American people.
22:11
SPEAKER_10: He's promised to come to Congress, and if he comes to Congress, he hasn't made his case, he's not going to get the approval.
22:18
SPEAKER_10: Governor Alexander.
22:19
SPEAKER_11: Our uh principle should be, Larry, that we should never become involved in anybody else's civil war.
22:25
SPEAKER_11: Unless we're prepared to pick one side and win that war, which means the president made a commitment that I would not have made to send troops to Bosnia.
22:36
SPEAKER_11: Not have made.
22:37
SPEAKER_11: Would not have made.
22:39
SPEAKER_05: This is Europe's quagmire.
22:41
SPEAKER_05: It is Europe's war.
22:42
SPEAKER_05: Europe ought to provide the troops for it.
22:45
SPEAKER_05: Europe is big, rich, and powerful, just as Japan is.
22:48
SPEAKER_05: These countries that are busy stealing American markets, taking away American jobs and factories, it's time they paid the full price for their own national defense.
22:57
SPEAKER_05: And it was time we started putting American Americans first.
23:01
SPEAKER_02: No moral issue in Bosnia.
23:03
SPEAKER_05: It is not our war.
23:03
SPEAKER_05: It is their quagmire, their war.
23:05
SPEAKER_05: Let them send the troops, keep American boys out.
23:08
SPEAKER_07: Alan, I got it, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.
23:12
SPEAKER_07: I've got that.
23:13
SPEAKER_07: I mean, if if if you are actually going to step into the office of commander-in-chief and be responsible for our international relations, I think they have to be careful.
23:22
SPEAKER_07: The Europeans may be our competitors.
23:24
SPEAKER_07: It's not a good idea to talk about them like they're our enemies because they are not.
23:28
SPEAKER_07: We had to spend a lot of lives and blood already once in this century, acting the fool, like we didn't have an interest in different parts of the world, waiting until things got so bad that we had to send troops by the hundreds of thousands.
23:41
SPEAKER_07: It doesn't make sense.
23:42
SPEAKER_07: So I think it's irresponsible to talk overall as if we have no stake in cooperation with Europe.
23:47
SPEAKER_07: But in the case of Bosnia, that is a civil war, that is a situation the Europeans can take the lead in handling.
23:54
SPEAKER_07: We can provide leadership in identifying what's at stake there and helping people to understand the situation.
24:00
SPEAKER_07: But we should not send our own troops.
24:02
SPEAKER_07: Because though we have a leadership responsibility, there's a difference between leading stupid and leading smart.
24:07
SPEAKER_07: And leading way, leading, leading smart means that you shape the environment and the situation so that others also understand their responsibilities and fulfill their role.
24:17
SPEAKER_07: And in this case, that means Europeans first.
24:20
SPEAKER_07: But leading stupid means that you send our men and women everywhere there is a problem, thinking that we are God and can wave our magic wand of power.
24:28
SPEAKER_07: I think the fundamental principle of our foreign politics the fundamental principle that we should never forget our foreign politics.
24:35
SPEAKER_07: There is a God and we are not him and we should not forget.
25:18
SPEAKER_02: Each candidate will have two minutes of closing statement.
25:21
SPEAKER_02: They can say anything they wish in those two minutes.
25:24
SPEAKER_02: Let's reintroduce our panelists.
25:25
SPEAKER_02: They're all candidates.
25:26
SPEAKER_02: The vote is tomorrow here in Florida.
25:29
SPEAKER_02: You'll see that vote recorded on CNN tomorrow, of course.
25:32
SPEAKER_02: And tomorrow night, the back in Washington, the winner will be invited on to Larry King Live.
25:36
SPEAKER_02: We'll talk more about that later.
25:37
SPEAKER_02: The panel is Senator Allen Spector of Pennsylvania, serving his third term, three-time Senator Dick Luther from Indiana, Phil Graham of Texas, Senator, Congressman Bob Dornen of California.
25:52
SPEAKER_02: A Dial Tone.
25:55
SPEAKER_02: Steve Forbes, publisher of Forbes magazine, majority leader Bob Dole, Senator Kansas, Alan Pees, former UN Economic Council Ambassador, Commentator Pat Buchanan, and the former governor of Tennessee and Education Secretary Lamar Alexander.
26:13
SPEAKER_02: Two minutes.
26:15
SPEAKER_02: Two minutes each.
26:16
SPEAKER_02: We start with Alan Spector, Senator of Pennsylvania.
26:20
SPEAKER_03: Uh thank you very much, Larry, for hosting this program and giving us an opportunity to talk to the people of Florida and the American people.
26:28
SPEAKER_03: I offer my candidacy for the Republican nomination as a fiscal economic conservative and a social libertarian.
26:36
SPEAKER_03: I believe that Barry Goldwater has it exactly right when he says we ought to get the government off our backs, out of our pocketbooks, and out of our bedrooms.
26:45
SPEAKER_03: I think that my background as a district attorney is unique, the only candidate with hands-on experience in crime control.
26:53
SPEAKER_03: It's a subject we didn't discuss, but something which needs a great deal of attention.
26:58
SPEAKER_03: For my work as chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, I think I bring insights into the key problem of weapons of mass destruction and effective dealing with terrorism.
27:09
SPEAKER_03: Let me spend the balance of my time, Larry, on the key problem which confronts Washington today and America today, and that is the budget crisis.
27:18
SPEAKER_03: And I have a little different point of view from my colleagues, uh, an independent point of view, which I have from time to time.
27:25
SPEAKER_03: I do not believe that we ought to be a party to gridlock and bickering, and I think that outside the beltway, the American people are sick and tired of gridlock and bickering.
27:38
SPEAKER_03: I believe we have a responsibility to get the government operating again, and it's easy to say, and it makes a fine soundbite, let's uh close the government down.
27:47
SPEAKER_03: But we've got a lot of people out there who are veterans who uh need to have their matters processed.
27:53
SPEAKER_03: We have uh people with black lung, and what I think we ought to do is come to terms on the status quo.
28:00
SPEAKER_03: Uh, I don't think we're gonna get our way.
28:03
SPEAKER_03: We have a constitution which says the president is an equal dominant partner unless we have two-thirds to override.
28:09
SPEAKER_03: So, what I would do is come to terms on the status quo and then crystallize our demand for a balanced budget, which is the number one issue, and make that the campaign feast for 1996.
28:21
SPEAKER_02: Take the high.
28:23
SPEAKER_02: Thank you.
28:24
SPEAKER_02: Senator Spector, two minutes.
28:26
SPEAKER_02: And now, Senator Richard Luger of Indiana.
28:29
SPEAKER_13: Larry, I believe the best years for America are still to come.
28:33
SPEAKER_13: I think they have to be made on the basis, however, of risk taking, on the basis that people really want to see uh new jobs and they want to see new communities, and that's not going to happen under current circumstances.
28:48
SPEAKER_13: We are trying to balance the budget.
28:50
SPEAKER_13: I think we'll succeed in doing that.
28:52
SPEAKER_13: But we've got to have strong economic growth.
28:54
SPEAKER_13: And this is why I proposed a very radical tax suggestion, namely getting rid of the income tax and the IRS and moving to a national sales tax.
29:04
SPEAKER_13: I believe this increases savings dramatically, increases the amount of money on the table for investment, increases the wages for all Americans that have been flat for a long time.
29:14
SPEAKER_13: The basic issue in this campaign is going to be just that that the average American is going nowhere, has a lack of hope of educating children and of taking care of elderly people.
29:27
SPEAKER_13: Now, that growth has to occur.
29:30
SPEAKER_13: It has to occur in the context of an America that is safer.
29:34
SPEAKER_13: Because a president will need be needed who knows really how to manage the world, how to make certain that our allies come together with us for our security and for theirs, that a world trading system leads to dynamic exports.
29:48
SPEAKER_13: That will be our bread and butter.
29:50
SPEAKER_13: And it will not happen by chance.
29:51
SPEAKER_13: Like hands-on management every day by a president who knows the score and who knows the leaders.
29:57
SPEAKER_13: Now, I think fundamentally Americans will want to make sure that they feel better about themselves at the end of a presidency and better about the president.
30:07
SPEAKER_13: I'm a truth teller, a straight shooter, a person that Americans can trust.
30:13
SPEAKER_13: Americans want to make sure they have trust in the White House and the presidency, they will have during my presidency.
30:20
SPEAKER_02: Senator Richard Luger of Indiana.
30:22
SPEAKER_05: And now Pat Buchanan Americans is given a great challenge.
30:29
SPEAKER_05: Our parents' generation was given the challenge of the depression, 25% unemployed.
30:34
SPEAKER_05: They came through that depression without resorting to communism or fascism, and then they went on to win a victory against fascism on two sides of the world.
30:43
SPEAKER_05: That's probably the greatest generation this century has produced, maybe this country has produced.
30:48
SPEAKER_05: Our generation fought a 50-year Cold War against communism.
30:53
SPEAKER_05: We persevered, we prayed, we sacrificed, we saw a lot of our friends die in Korea and Vietnam, and we crushed the evil empire and it collapsed without firing a shot under a great leader, Ronald Reagan.
31:06
SPEAKER_05: Now our time has come.
31:08
SPEAKER_05: And the crisis of our country, we can see it now.
31:11
SPEAKER_05: It is manifest in crime and violence and hatred and coarseness and racial division.
31:16
SPEAKER_05: And I believe the answer lies in getting back to the core beliefs and the core values, any concepts of right and wrong that we were raised with and taught as children by those parents and those grandparents.
31:30
SPEAKER_05: And I genuinely believe we can do this.
31:33
SPEAKER_05: I believe we can hand down to our children and our children's children a country as good and great as a nation that was handed down to us.
31:42
SPEAKER_05: I've spent more time in the White House than all of my rivals and colleagues here put together, eight years.
31:48
SPEAKER_05: That position calls for moral leadership.
31:52
SPEAKER_05: It calls for vision, it calls for the courage of your convictions and a capacity to communicate.
31:57
SPEAKER_05: I believe I've got that.
31:59
SPEAKER_05: And so I would hope that one day we would be able to alter that kind of leadership soon to America, because I believe this country is headed into a new century and headed into a golden era unlike any we've ever seen.
32:12
SPEAKER_05: We can do it if we will all pull together.
32:15
SPEAKER_05: And so I'm asking for your hands and hearts to help me in that cause because it's what I believe in with all of my heart.
32:23
SPEAKER_09: Steve Steve Forbes for a closing statement.
32:28
SPEAKER_09: Steve.
32:29
SPEAKER_09: Thank you, Larry.
32:30
SPEAKER_09: Ladies and gentlemen, America has the opportunity and the potential for the greatest economic boom and spiritual renewal in our history.
32:39
SPEAKER_09: The American people today are frustrated.
32:42
SPEAKER_09: They don't understand why two incomes in the family can't provide the opportunity that one income could in previous generations, why young people may not have the same opportunities that their parents and grandparents have.
32:53
SPEAKER_09: They don't understand why the quality of life has been under assault for the last 30 years.
32:58
SPEAKER_09: People in 1996 have an opportunity to remove the principal obstacles that stand in the way of our realizing our full opportunity and renewing hope, growth, and opportunity.
33:23
SPEAKER_09: They go hand in hand.
33:25
SPEAKER_09: We have to start with the most corrupt thing in Washington today, which is the tax code.
33:30
SPEAKER_09: It is a deadweight on the economy, a deadweight on the hope of the Americans.
33:34
SPEAKER_09: Replace it with a flat tax so that a family of four pays no tax on their first$36,000 of income and only 17% on anything above$36,000, no tax on pensions, Social Security, or personal savings.
33:47
SPEAKER_09: We can do it.
33:48
SPEAKER_09: But there are other things that have to be done.
33:50
SPEAKER_09: Term limits must be for all politicians, including those in Washington, so that we can get citizens in politics and not just the political class.
33:58
SPEAKER_09: We also need lower interest rates.
34:00
SPEAKER_09: We can do that again with an honest dollar.
34:03
SPEAKER_09: By getting again, we can have again 4.5% mortgages.
34:07
SPEAKER_09: We need medical savings accounts so that people control their medical expenses, not bureaucracies or employers.
34:13
SPEAKER_09: We need a new social security system for younger workers so that they have their own individual savings accounts.
34:19
SPEAKER_09: Again, take it out of the hands of politicians.
34:21
SPEAKER_09: And in foreign policy, we must have a U.S., not a UN foreign policy.
34:26
SPEAKER_09: Do these things, Larry, and America will confound the critics and the skeptics and the crep hangers, and America will resume her place as the leader and inspiration of the world.
34:35
SPEAKER_09: Thank you very much.
34:38
SPEAKER_02: And we'll be back with more closing comments from our panel right after this.
35:42
SPEAKER_02: Ambassador Keyes.
35:44
SPEAKER_07: I think that the choice of president is especially about priorities.
35:48
SPEAKER_07: And we've heard tonight from a lot of folks, we've talked about economic issues and so forth, but I think it was increasingly clear that the priorities of all the other candidates in this race put family somewhere second or third, put the restoration of the moral and material foundations of family life somewhere third or fourth.
36:05
SPEAKER_07: And we'll get around to it.
36:06
SPEAKER_07: Values are important too, we've heard.
36:08
SPEAKER_07: But I think what we've got to begin to realize is that all of these budget problems and all of these crises in Washington are in fact being driven by the collapse of the marriage-based family, by the effort to substitute government programs and bureaucracy and spending for the love and nurturing and care that ought to be provided within the context of our family lives and that is not being provided enough today because government in various ways has pursued policies and educators and taxation and welfare that has sustained and destroyed the families.
37:12
SPEAKER_07: And that offers to the world a chance to promote once again that idea of American right and dignity based on the Declaration, so that we can, in fact, bring all of our people together out of our moral allegiance to those principles to stand before the world offering what we have offered since the beginning.
37:29
SPEAKER_07: The last best hopes, a better destiny, not just of this nation, but of all humankind.
37:41
SPEAKER_02: And now the closing remarks on the eve of this vote by Governor Lamar Alexander.
37:47
SPEAKER_02: Governor Alexander.
37:49
SPEAKER_11: Thank you, Larry.
37:50
SPEAKER_11: I'm running for president because our country needs our help.
37:55
SPEAKER_11: We should have everything going for us.
37:57
SPEAKER_11: We've got the great universities, quarter of all the money, the grand champion in technology, we're the superpower.
38:03
SPEAKER_11: Our ideas are going all around the world, but we're in trouble.
38:07
SPEAKER_11: We're in trouble because our most basic institutions are crumbled: the family, the neighborhood, the church, the synagogue, and the school.
38:15
SPEAKER_11: And for many of us, our response is simply to turn the television on and expect Washington to fix these problems, and Washington can't.
38:24
SPEAKER_11: We need a real president, someone who could help us get our feet back on the ground, who could help us rebuild those institutions and lead us into the next century.
38:33
SPEAKER_11: Here is what I would do as the first president of the next century.
38:38
SPEAKER_11: Strengthen our defenses, balance the budget, unleash free enterprise to create an avalanche of new jobs, help our schools be as good as our colleges, move power out of Washington back to us, change Washington with term limits and with a citizen Congress.
38:54
SPEAKER_11: But most important, tell the truth about personal responsibility.
39:00
SPEAKER_11: We should spend less time asking what the government owes us and less time trying to figure out who to blame for what goes wrong and more time being willing to accept personal responsibility for the consequences of our own actions.
39:14
SPEAKER_11: If our children are running around the streets of Orlando or Nashville, we should go get them.
39:19
SPEAKER_11: If the television is trash, we can turn it off.
39:22
SPEAKER_11: If 30% of the babies in the largest women's hospital in Michigan are being born already exposed to cocaine because their mothers are as they are, that problem is not a Washington problem.
39:33
SPEAKER_11: That is a problem of our families.
39:37
SPEAKER_11: Our greatest mission for the next president is at home.
39:42
SPEAKER_11: We need less from Washington and more from ourselves.
39:46
SPEAKER_11: That is what made us a great country in the first place.
39:50
SPEAKER_11: That will do it again.
39:52
SPEAKER_11: Thank you.
39:52
SPEAKER_02: Governor Lamar out of the country.
40:00
SPEAKER_02: In Washington, Congressman Bob Dornen of California.
40:04
SPEAKER_02: Congressman Dornen.
40:05
SPEAKER_12: Thank you, Larry.
40:06
SPEAKER_12: Larry, did you say Jeb Bush is in the third row there?
40:09
SPEAKER_12: First row.
40:10
SPEAKER_12: Uh first row.
40:11
SPEAKER_12: Uh a message to uh Jeb.
40:13
SPEAKER_12: In uh December of 1992, uh December 7th, in the last Christmas party at the White House, I told your father that I would avenge him in '96.
40:25
SPEAKER_12: That I would uh undo one of the saddest days in the life of the extended Doran family when a man of character, a World War II hero, was beaten by a man almost devoid of character.
40:38
SPEAKER_12: And that is one of the negative reasons I came in the race.
40:41
SPEAKER_12: On the positive side, it is because uh my pal Alan Keyes, and we've become close during the race, is wrong.
40:48
SPEAKER_12: Uh that no one else has spoken about family.
40:51
SPEAKER_12: Those of us back in the pack tend to forget that uh back here, where we do not have the millions, we are talking about faith and it's everything, and it's the main protector of family.
41:03
SPEAKER_12: And that freedom, which you see on all of my signs down there, faith, family, and freedom, that freedom doesn't mean just where the world's last superpower can extend it around the world where we are able to, and where we treasure the precious lives of our men and women in uniform and do not squander them, as I predicted on the House floor in September and October of 92, that if Bill Clinton, a triple avoider of the draft, were somehow or other to end up in that White House, that better men than he would die.
41:35
SPEAKER_12: And he, unless Aspen, Lord rest his soul, and Morton Halprin, who should not be on the federal payroll on the National Security Council, got 19 great heroes slaughtered and dragged across our television screens in Mobidishu.
41:51
SPEAKER_12: That will not happen in Bosnia if I can help it.
41:54
SPEAKER_12: I would tell all my friends who've never been elected, uh, the reality is here that one of this on this set up here in Washington is going to be on the top of the ticket.
42:04
SPEAKER_12: If the top of the ticket is smart, they'll not pick some obscure person way down a list that nobody's ever heard of, that has not been vetted, to use that overworked word, in the political process.
42:16
SPEAKER_12: And for those of you that are contributing greatly to this race, I'm gonna break it back to the house.
42:22
SPEAKER_12: Everyone gets two minutes.
42:23
SPEAKER_02: We'll be right back before we get in 2000.
42:25
SPEAKER_02: We have two more candidates to speak, and we'll do it right after this.
42:42
SPEAKER_02: We'll have two more closing comments, then a personal note, and we go back to Washington and Senator Phil Graham of Texas.
42:48
SPEAKER_02: Senator Graham.
42:49
SPEAKER_06: Thank you, Larry.
42:50
SPEAKER_06: I know more than anything else there tonight, you're trying to figure out who among us is strong enough, committed enough, and has a clear enough vision to change government and bring back the American dream.
43:03
SPEAKER_06: Let me tell you something about me.
43:05
SPEAKER_06: My mother had a dream before I was born I was going to college.
43:09
SPEAKER_06: Neither of my parents had graduated from high school.
43:12
SPEAKER_06: I failed the third, the seventh, and the ninth grade.
43:16
SPEAKER_06: But my mother didn't give up and I didn't either.
43:18
SPEAKER_06: My mother prodded me every step of the way through college to a PhD in economics.
43:24
SPEAKER_06: My wife turned me down the first two times I proposed matrimony.
43:28
SPEAKER_06: But I didn't give up.
43:29
SPEAKER_06: I took her to San Antonio on the river wall, got down on one knee, and said, if you will marry me, I'll spend the rest of my life trying to make you happy.
43:38
SPEAKER_06: I didn't get up, she said yes.
43:40
SPEAKER_06: And 25 years later, I'm trying to live up to my end of that bargain.
43:44
SPEAKER_06: As a conservative Democrat in the House, I wrote the Reagan program in 1981.
43:49
SPEAKER_06: And I stood on principle when I resigned from Congress and ran again as a Republican.
43:54
SPEAKER_06: I'm the only person in this century to do that.
43:57
SPEAKER_06: When Congress and the president wouldn't deal with the deficit, I wrote Graham Rudman until it was repealed, it was working.
44:04
SPEAKER_06: When many Republicans wanted to cut a deal with Bill Clinton on a government run health care system, I stood up alone and said the Clinton health care bill is going to pass over my cold, dead political body.
44:18
SPEAKER_06: And I beat it.
44:29
SPEAKER_06: If you want a president who will fight for what we believe in, if you want a president who will cut no deal with your family's future in Washington, D.C., I'm your man and I'd be proud to have your support.
44:42
SPEAKER_06: Thank you and God bless you.
44:45
SPEAKER_10: And a final comment from uh Senator Bob Dole of Kansas.
44:52
SPEAKER_10: Senator Dole.
44:53
SPEAKER_10: Larry, thank you very much.
44:54
SPEAKER_10: And Jeb Bush, thank you very much.
44:56
SPEAKER_10: And I also want to thank my wife, Elizabeth, who's been in Florida the last two weeks helping me.
45:00
SPEAKER_10: Thank you very much, Elizabeth.
45:02
SPEAKER_10: And thanks for the great organization, uh great organization we have in Florida.
45:07
SPEAKER_10: I want to say a word about Florida.
45:09
SPEAKER_10: Florida's a very important state.
45:10
SPEAKER_10: It's the fourth largest state.
45:11
SPEAKER_10: It's gonna be very important next year.
45:13
SPEAKER_10: I don't believe a Republican can win the presidency without winning Florida.
45:17
SPEAKER_10: I've been working the past couple of weeks uh very hard with the Florida delegation, with Jim Scott, the Senate president, with Dan Webster, the Republican leader in the House there, to make certain that Florida did all right with Medicare and Medicaid.
45:31
SPEAKER_10: We've been trying to find a way to protect the Everglades.
45:33
SPEAKER_10: We haven't gotten it worked out yet, but we're working on it.
45:36
SPEAKER_10: All these matters are very important to the state of Florida, and I understand the state of Florida.
45:41
SPEAKER_10: I want to say also that I'm very proud of my colleagues who are running for the nomination.
45:45
SPEAKER_10: I'm very proud and very honored to be a candidate for the Republican nomination for president.
45:51
SPEAKER_10: I come from very humble beginnings.
45:53
SPEAKER_10: My dad worried over all his work every day for 42 years and was proud of it.
45:58
SPEAKER_10: We grew up living in a basement apartment.
46:00
SPEAKER_10: So I'm here.
46:01
SPEAKER_10: I'm a survivor.
46:03
SPEAKER_10: I work hard.
46:04
SPEAKER_10: I've been a conservative all my life in the Congress.
46:07
SPEAKER_10: I believe in strong family values.
46:10
SPEAKER_10: I believe in protecting young born.
46:12
SPEAKER_10: I believe we have to take a look at crime and drugs.
46:15
SPEAKER_10: Every three minutes and 39 seconds in Florida, a violent crime is committed.
46:20
SPEAKER_10: You have the stop program, there's stop turning out prisoners, which in my view is truth is truth and sentenced has meant a great deal in Florida and should be adopted nationwide.
46:31
SPEAKER_10: I would say in the closing 25 seconds I have, I want to be the president of the United States because I love America.
46:38
SPEAKER_10: I've sacrificed for America.
46:40
SPEAKER_10: I've provided leadership for America.
46:42
SPEAKER_10: I make tough decisions every day.
46:44
SPEAKER_10: I'm the one person in this group who's been providing leadership in a leadership role for the past 10 years.
46:50
SPEAKER_10: Thank you very much again, Larry.
46:52
SPEAKER_10: God bless America.
46:53
SPEAKER_10: We'll see you all tomorrow.
47:01
SPEAKER_02: On a extra note.
47:04
SPEAKER_02: Tomorrow night, we're going to do a live edition of Larry King Weekend from Washington, and the winner of tomorrow's barter poll will be invited to be one of those guests.
47:13
SPEAKER_02: We want to thank Jeb Bush and his wonderful staff here for their courtesies, everyone involved in Orlando.
47:19
SPEAKER_02: I also want to give a special salute to uh to Tom Johnson and Ed Turner and Bob Bernard and Wendy Walker Whitworth and Mary Gregory and all the rest involved with our staff and the people at CNN Atlanta for the Herculean task they did in putting all this together.
47:34
SPEAKER_02: Thank you for joining us on this two-hour special of Larry King Live for all of the candidates and all the delegates.
47:40
SPEAKER_02: Good night from Orlando.
47:46
SPEAKER_00: That was really a fun forum when you really look back at it with all the coming and going and fireworks and some pointed elbows between 10 really big figures in the 1990s.
47:58
SPEAKER_00: That said, the results came in the next day.
48:01
SPEAKER_00: They spoke to the convention hall in Orlando at Presidency 3, and Bob Dole won.
48:06
SPEAKER_00: But he only got 33% of the vote.
48:09
SPEAKER_00: So the story coming out of there was that Bob Dole didn't have a big enough win, but it was Phil Graham whose performance was unsteady, and Lamar Alexander who was surging.
48:37
SPEAKER_08: Texas Senator Phil Graham placed second in that non-binding poll with 26% of the vote, followed closely by former Tennessee Governor Lamar Alexander with 23%.
48:48
SPEAKER_08: Pat Buchanan placed a distant fourth with 9%.
48:54
SPEAKER_11: TNN's Bruce Morton has details for more land up.
48:58
SPEAKER_04: Bob Dole was already back in Washington by the time he learned he'd won the famous Florida straw votes.
49:05
SPEAKER_04: And he did win, even if his margin wasn't big enough to satisfy his rivals.
49:09
SPEAKER_04: Here's how they finished: Dole 33%, Phil Graham 26%, Lamar Alexander 23%, Pat Yuchanan 9%, Alan Keyes 8%, everybody else a blip.
49:20
SPEAKER_04: Dole won, but his opponents kept saying he should have won better.
49:23
SPEAKER_04: Graham.
49:24
SPEAKER_06: If this vote had been tomorrow, it would have been a tie.
49:27
SPEAKER_06: If this vote had been on Monday, we would have won.
49:30
SPEAKER_06: Our message is winning this election.
49:32
SPEAKER_04: Graham says his second place finish proves it's a two-man race now.
49:36
SPEAKER_04: But not if you finish third, it doesn't.
49:38
SPEAKER_11: What I've been trying to do is get on the stage.
49:40
SPEAKER_11: And now I'm on it.
49:41
SPEAKER_11: I mean, this is a three-man race, two senators and me.
49:44
SPEAKER_11: And the front runner, uh, who ought to be getting more than half the vote, got a third.
49:47
SPEAKER_04: Alexander's own video claimed he'd get 900 delegates.
49:50
SPEAKER_04: He didn't, but he was a close third.
49:52
SPEAKER_04: Pat Buchanan, who spent little time here, was a distant force, followed closely by Alan Keyes, a fiery speaker on Buchanan's own social issues.
50:00
SPEAKER_04: So what does all this mean?
50:02
SPEAKER_04: In a week or two, nobody will remember what the actual numbers were.
50:05
SPEAKER_04: Dole had to win here, and he did, though not impressively.
50:08
SPEAKER_04: Graham and Alexander will brag about what they did in Florida, but Dole will probably keep his status as a slightly dented front runner until the actual voting starts next year.
50:18
SPEAKER_04: Bruce wanted CNN, Wellando.