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Rams Targeted Ty Simpson, Vrabel Drama Continues & Browns QB Plan + Mailbag · 3 and Out with John Middlekauff

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  Speaker 1: The volume. What is going on? My people? How are
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  Speaker 1: the draft. We have Mike Vrabel's story. God, this thing
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  Speaker 1: just's turned into like a Bravo reality show. We have
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  Speaker 1: some quarterback news. Deshaun Watson canna be a starting quarterback.
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  Speaker 1: It looks like for the Browns. Some fifth year options
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  Speaker 1: exercised on quarterbacks and Diego Pavia as well as a
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  Speaker 1: See this? Uh? I actually the kind of ten Right now,
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  Speaker 1: let's start with the Rams and Sean McVay less, Snead
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  Speaker 1: and their new quarterback, Ty Simpson. It has come out
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  Speaker 1: over the last forty eight hours that Sean McVay had
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  Speaker 1: a secret meeting with him. So when Ty Simpson said
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  Speaker 1: post draft that he had never talked to him, less
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  Speaker 1: Sneed told Pat McAfee yesterday he could have been honest.
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  Speaker 1: He just stuck to the script that we gave him
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  Speaker 1: that said, don't say a word about our interest in
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  Speaker 1: you and your connection to us and your meeting with us.
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  Speaker 1: And the one thing the RAMS do a really good
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  Speaker 1: job of is they don't send anybody the combine pretty sure.
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  Speaker 1: They don't send anyone to All Star Games, and they
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  Speaker 1: don't send anyone to Pro Day's. They don't have their
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  Speaker 1: people out there in the world talking, because what do
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  Speaker 1: we do human being? We like to talk and we
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  Speaker 1: like the gossip about whatever industry where you're in. Think
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  Speaker 1: how many of you that go to conventions that, especially
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  Speaker 1: those of you that are in bigger corporate settings or
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  Speaker 1: even smaller companies, you typically talk to other people in
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  Speaker 1: your industry about what you're doing, about your complaints, about
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  Speaker 1: things that you don't like, about things that you're doing.
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  Speaker 1: It's just a human connector. It's Football's no different than tech,
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  Speaker 1: is no different than the hotel industry. If you get
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  Speaker 1: around other people in your business you're gonna talk to
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  Speaker 1: them about your business. In football's a gossip gossipy operation.
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  Speaker 1: And the reality is most coaches you can play two
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  Speaker 1: degrees of separation to basically everyone in the league. These
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  Speaker 1: guys operate in this nomadic world where they're bouncing around.
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  Speaker 1: If you've been in the league five, ten, twenty years,
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  Speaker 1: you're just gonna know a lot of people. And those people,
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  Speaker 1: when you're around each other in person, have a hard
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  Speaker 1: time keeping their mouth shut. It's why I go to
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  Speaker 1: the combine. I get a lot of good information. You
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  Speaker 1: go out and about, you see people, you talk to people,
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  Speaker 1: you have drinks with people, and words flying. No different
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  Speaker 1: at pro days. The pro day isn't just showing up
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  Speaker 1: going to the workout. It's getting there the night before,
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  Speaker 1: staying at a hotel, going out to dinner. If you
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  Speaker 1: know your buddy's gonna be there, you meet him for dinner. Scouts, coaches,
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  Speaker 1: it's all the same. And the Rams have made a
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  Speaker 1: very conscious effort of avoiding that. And people in the
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  Speaker 1: league have different opinions on that, but there is no disputing.
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  Speaker 1: We can debate the player. You guys know where I
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  Speaker 1: stand if you just look at it simply from an
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  Speaker 1: investment standpoint, the risk profile on this player, to me,
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  Speaker 1: is not worthy of the thirteenth overall pick. Short, one
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  Speaker 1: year starter, couldn't make it through the season uninjured, doesn't
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  Speaker 1: have great physical traits. Now, that doesn't mean that he
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  Speaker 1: can't go on to be a fifteen year NFL star.
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  Speaker 1: Your risk profile as a draft prospect doesn't determine your
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  Speaker 1: success in the NFL. Where you go to college does
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  Speaker 1: not determine how much money you were going to make. Now, statistically,
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  Speaker 1: there's an average based on where you go to college
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  Speaker 1: or if you don't go to college. Right, there is
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  Speaker 1: an aggregate, Well, you're this likely if you go to USC,
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  Speaker 1: or if you go to cal Pauly, or you go
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  Speaker 1: to Chico State, or you go to Texas A and M.
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  Speaker 1: But as an individual, you don't have to fall into
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  Speaker 1: that category. Right, As a seventh round pick, you are
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  Speaker 1: less likely to succeed than a first round pick, But
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  Speaker 1: there have been a lot of seventh round picks that
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  Speaker 1: have gone on to have a decade long career. You
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  Speaker 1: determine your success. Ty Simpson in the RAMS will determine
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  Speaker 1: his success. But based on his risk profile, you know
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  Speaker 1: dan Orlovsky could go on ESPN dot com and say
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  Speaker 1: this is the best individual drive of the season. And
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  Speaker 1: he throws up a game against Wisconsin, who was terrible,
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  Speaker 1: and every single fan wanted their coach fired. I didn't check,
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  Speaker 1: but I would imagine Wisconsin didn't have did they have
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  Speaker 1: anyone drafted? They definitely didn't have many guys drafted. This
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  Speaker 1: was not the Barry Alvarez, you know, Brett Beelima Wisconsin
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  Speaker 1: Badgers here, so slicing and dicing them. What do we
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  Speaker 1: always talk about in draft prospects, draft profile tapes. When
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  Speaker 1: you work in the NFL, is the competition? I remember,
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  Speaker 1: it still happens. A guy could have ten sacks. It's like, well,
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  Speaker 1: you had ten sacks. He played at Missouri in the SEC.
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  Speaker 1: He played at Georgia, he played it Ohio State, he
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  Speaker 1: played wherever. And then you're like, well, six of those
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  Speaker 1: sacks came against non conference opponents, two of them FCS teams.
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  Speaker 1: The other four sacks came against the worst two teams
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  Speaker 1: in the conference. He had no production against the three
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  Speaker 1: top fifteen programs they played, and vice versa. You can
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  Speaker 1: be a small school guy. I remember Khalil Mack in Buffalo.
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  Speaker 1: They played Ohio State his first game his senior year.
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  Speaker 1: Pretty sure, the left tackle was Taylor Decker, and you're like,
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  Speaker 1: holy shit, that's an NFL tackle And Khalil Mack looks
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  Speaker 1: like Lawrence Taylor. Here Wyo's fifth overall. Now, there is
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  Speaker 1: a value and an unquantifiable thing with quarterbacks, right, because
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  Speaker 1: like an investment, if you hit on a quarterback, it'd
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  Speaker 1: be like fifty x in a stock. It changes the
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  Speaker 1: course of your franchise. Right. Hell, I use the forty
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  Speaker 1: nine ers example all the time. They made one of,
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  Speaker 1: if not the worst trade in the history of football.
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  Speaker 1: They traded pick twelve and two other first rounders for
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  Speaker 1: a quarterback that wasn't on their team. Two and a
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  Speaker 1: half years later, it doesn't get any worse, but it
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  Speaker 1: didn't impact them because they struck oil with Perty in
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  Speaker 1: the seventh round and he saved not only people's jobs,
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  Speaker 1: but the franchise. And he makes them and gives them
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  Speaker 1: the ability to win games that a lot of teams
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  Speaker 1: you see with the Jets and the Browns, all these
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  Speaker 1: teams that have in these awesome drafts getting all these players,
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  Speaker 1: if they don't find a quarterback, none of it's going
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  Speaker 1: to matter because I'll promise you this the Browns these
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  Speaker 1: last two years, and I'm not gonna be a hater.
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  Speaker 1: Like their drafts have been awesome. The draft last year
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  Speaker 1: was fantastic, and this draft on paper looks fantastic. They
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  Speaker 1: would trade all those players for a top seven eight
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  Speaker 1: quarterback without hesitation that they wouldn't even blink. Same with
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  Speaker 1: the Jets, right and the Rams, for whatever reason, became
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  Speaker 1: fixated on this player. Obviously they liked the talent, they
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  Speaker 1: liked the person, and they found it worthy. And I
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  Speaker 1: watched Jan McVeigh to day tell Colin. He said, don't
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  Speaker 1: get it twisted. If we knew for it, if you
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  Speaker 1: could tell me if we draft Mkayi Lemon or Ruben
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  Speaker 1: Bain or insert non quarterback at pick thirteen and guarantee
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  Speaker 1: me that I'll be back in the NFC Championship or
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  Speaker 1: the super Bowl. Of course we would have taken them.
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  Speaker 1: But that's not how the world works. There's no guarantee.
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  Speaker 1: Year to year. You see teams go to the Super Bowl.
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  Speaker 1: One year, the Niners, a couple of years went to
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  Speaker 1: the Super Bowl. Next year won six games. Chiefs went
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  Speaker 1: to the Super Bowl, lost against the Eagles. This year
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  Speaker 1: won six games. It's the football's really fickle. Things can
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  Speaker 1: change immediately, but Seal Team six doesn't give their target
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  Speaker 1: a heads up before a mission. Osama didn't get a
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  Speaker 1: fax or an email. Boys were coming, get ready. They
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  Speaker 1: just show up. That is kind of the draft part
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  Speaker 1: of the reason the Pittsburgh Steelers with I don't know
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  Speaker 1: who else. I haven't heard many people crushing them, but
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  Speaker 1: I think it's a complete clown operation right now. One
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  Speaker 1: I think their general managers over their head. And I
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  Speaker 1: think it is fair to say that mccarthur, one of
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  Speaker 1: his people under his umbrella on the coaching staff, couldn't
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  Speaker 1: keep the mouse shut. And the Cowboys who used to
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  Speaker 1: employ those guys knew exactly who they liked. And because
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  Speaker 1: the Cowboys are pretty well run for an office when
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  Speaker 1: it comes to the draft, knew. I think the Eagles
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  Speaker 1: liked this guy a lot, and they picked up the
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  Speaker 1: phone and they called Howie all because people couldn't keep quiet.
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  Speaker 1: As someone that doesn't follow the Steelers on a day
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  Speaker 1: to day, if you would have asked me a week
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  Speaker 1: before who they're gonna draft, I would not have guessed
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  Speaker 1: they would have been very interested in a wide receiver
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  Speaker 1: in the first round, right, But the cowboys who work
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  Speaker 1: in this business knew exactly and they used it to
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  Speaker 1: their advantage. Well, the Rams used their advantage too. On
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  Speaker 1: the opposite, they didn't tell a soul. It's why when
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  Speaker 1: that pick came up on the television screen, our johs
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  Speaker 1: hit the floor. We couldn't. That's a good thing. Whether
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  Speaker 1: you want to, you know, argue over the individual player
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  Speaker 1: and the selection. We could do that till we're blue
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  Speaker 1: in the face. But there is no disputing the way
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  Speaker 1: they operate in secrecy is the way to do it.
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  Speaker 1: Because if it got out. I was thinking about this
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  Speaker 1: if over the course of the last month, it was like,
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  Speaker 1: Sean McVeigh, this is not bullshit. Loves Ty Simpson. Can
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  Speaker 1: you imagine what Woody Johnson, Jimmy Haslam and Michael Bidwell
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  Speaker 1: would have done looking at their coaching gm Well if
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  Speaker 1: one of the greatest, you know, thirty year old careers
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  Speaker 1: we've ever seen, right from thirty one to forty from
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  Speaker 1: a coaching perspective, multiple Super Bowl appearances, He's won a
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  Speaker 1: Super Bowl, had a back in the championship game. McVeigh
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  Speaker 1: is a star offensive mind. He loves this guy. Shouldn't
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  Speaker 1: we And if he's willing to take him at thirteen,
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  Speaker 1: shouldn't we entertain taking him before he gets there? I
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  Speaker 1: think we would all have to agree those conversations would
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  Speaker 1: one hundred percent happen. And we saw Jimmy Haslam last
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  Speaker 1: year that I mean, are we even arguing that he
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  Speaker 1: forced Shadoor Sanders on that crew? Would they have taken
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  Speaker 1: Shadoor Sanders? I don't think so. But he wanted to
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  Speaker 1: Michael Bidwell, like, I understand why they took Jeremiah Love.
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  Speaker 1: But Jeremiah Love has been one of the top players
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  Speaker 1: in college over the last couple of years. If you
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  Speaker 1: were enthralled with them, you know, during the fall, and
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  Speaker 1: you knew you were probably gonna take him, you probably
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  Speaker 1: wouldn't sign a running back in free agency to be
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  Speaker 1: your starter to go along with James Connor like they
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  Speaker 1: just did this offseason. Well, I think that was an
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  Speaker 1: owner forced pick, not that it's a bad pick. I
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  Speaker 1: like Jeremiah Love. I think he's going to be a
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  Speaker 1: stud in the NFL if he gets a decent quarterback,
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  Speaker 1: a decent play caller, and a decent offensive line. His
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  Speaker 1: talent is undeniable. Is that the right football choice. And
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  Speaker 1: then obviously you know when it comes to Woody Johnson,
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  Speaker 1: he's liable to do anything at any moment. They just
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  Speaker 1: they were one year in and Aaron Glenn told all
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  Speaker 1: the guys he was coming back, and then a week later,
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  Speaker 1: twelve assistants were fired. So the Rams operated like seal
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  Speaker 1: team six and during the draft, that's what you have
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  Speaker 1: to do, especially when you have twelve teams like, you're
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  Speaker 1: not going to trade up more than likely that are
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  Speaker 1: out of your control, so you talking does not help
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  Speaker 1: your causes to do what you want to do in
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  Speaker 1: the draft. Now, is there a player or two that
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  Speaker 1: could have made it to them that they would have
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  Speaker 1: taken over him, It doesn't seem like that. The Chiefs
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  Speaker 1: are another good example. When they got Patrick Mahomes, they
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  Speaker 1: knew Sean Payton loved Patrick Mahomes. They also didn't let
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  Speaker 1: it be known that they were enthralled with the guy,
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  Speaker 1: cause if they did, maybe Sean Payton gets extra aggressive,
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  Speaker 1: which historically he has many times and trades up way
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  Speaker 1: higher and ends up drafting him. Even this year with
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  Speaker 1: the LSU corner, Like, I don't feel that was very
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  Speaker 1: public knowledge that was their number one guy. That was
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  Speaker 1: the guy they were willing to get really aggressive for
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  Speaker 1: and trade up. If I would have told you two
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  Speaker 1: weeks ago that the Chiefs go from nine to six
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  Speaker 1: to get a player, I think most people would guess
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  Speaker 1: probably an offensive tackle. No, the corner who that they
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  Speaker 1: had zoomed with and put through like a schematic breakdown
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  Speaker 1: with their coaching staff two days before the draft. And
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  Speaker 1: ty Simpson is no dummy. When they told him to
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  Speaker 1: keep quiet, like, hey, be quiet on this. We like
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  Speaker 1: you do you want to come here? It's like starts
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  Speaker 1: looking around. You would much rather go there than the Jets,
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  Speaker 1: the Browns, the Cardinals. These places where a lot of
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  Speaker 1: careers go to die. So the debate on the player
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  Speaker 1: is not going to end for a long time. He
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  Speaker 1: is going to be a polarizing player whenever he ends
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  Speaker 1: up playing. And obviously McVeigh is very sad Stafford, which
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  Speaker 1: I understand on one hand, older player. He's been around
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  Speaker 1: long enough. He's seen a bunch of guys get wally pipped,
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  Speaker 1: get forced out. I mean he saw Aaron Rodgers them
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  Speaker 1: get rid of him, move on to Jordan Love. Obviously,
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  Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers' story started with Brett favre like you've seen
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  Speaker 1: a million of these. So even if you're the reigning
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  Speaker 1: MVP and a guy making forty fifty million dollars a
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  Speaker 1: year and you know, a future Hall of Famer, in
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  Speaker 1: my opinion, there's a sensitivity. We're all human beings. But
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  Speaker 1: I also think that there's a chance that he doesn't
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  Speaker 1: have to play for a while, so we'll never know.
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  Speaker 1: And then maybe they just got a little insurance assuming
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  Speaker 1: the guy can play, because there's no guarantee. There's no
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  Speaker 1: such thing as a high floor player, and obviously the
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  Speaker 1: risk you know, profile on this guy is extremely high.
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  Speaker 1: So why vehemently disagree with the selection and think it's
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  Speaker 1: borderline insanity? I can't respect the process in which they
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  Speaker 1: went about it and the way it was handled anymore.
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  Speaker 1: That's that's like a high level military seal mission executed
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  Speaker 1: on draft day, because most teams, as we see, can't
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  Speaker 1: keep their fucking mouse shut, and clearly Less Sneed and
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  Speaker 1: Sean McVay are pretty good at that. The speaking of
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  Speaker 1: stories going viral, you know Wes, maybe many of you don't.
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  Speaker 1: He's on Summer House. For those of you whose wives
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  Speaker 1: or girlfriends watch that show, I'm sure you are, you
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  Speaker 1: have knowledge of it that that story of him dating
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  Speaker 1: this girl who used to be married for a long
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  Speaker 1: time to this like forty five year old DJ has
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  Speaker 1: gone viral and it's a it's a polarizing story in
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  Speaker 1: the Bravo world. And part of what I think makes
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  Speaker 1: Bravo so powerful is it's got a lot of connections
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  Speaker 1: to the NFL. The NFL has a lot of men
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  Speaker 1: just on a string in terms of the drama they have.
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  Speaker 1: Who's gonna get fired, who's gonna get hired, who's gonna
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  Speaker 1: sign where, who's gonna get traded there, who's gonna get
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  Speaker 1: drafted here? We treat it like reality television because that's
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  Speaker 1: what it kind of is, and that's I see it
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  Speaker 1: with my wife, that's what Bravo kinda is. And because
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  Speaker 1: of my wife loving those shows, I just start watching
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  Speaker 1: those shows and I'd be lying if it doesn't entertain
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  Speaker 1: me a little bit, and you start learning about it.
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  Speaker 1: No different. Now, she liked football well before I ever
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  Speaker 1: met her. But a lot of your wives, a lot
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  Speaker 1: of your girlfriends end up, especially if you're a big
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: fan of an individual team, just probably watch some of
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  Speaker 1: that with you and start getting a knowledge of like,
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: oh yeah, I like Joe Burrow, or I'm a big
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: fan of Dak or I love Coach Reid or you know,
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: this guy's really cool or I hate this guy, and
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: you kind of just piggyback off that when stories break
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: through to get men and women in terms of drama,
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  Speaker 1: they no longer become a football story. And I think
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: the Vrabel Russini story has kind of crossed this line
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  Speaker 1: of all of our wives and girlfriends are gonna have
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  Speaker 1: a lot of knowledge on this thing. And I'm sure
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  Speaker 1: many of you saw the TMZ video of Rabel look
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  Speaker 1: like walking from you know, baggage claim to his range rover.
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  Speaker 1: It's thinking, God, Mike's Mike's living pretty well, and uh,
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  Speaker 1: I would have guessed Mike for like a Chevy suburban
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  Speaker 1: or something. Maybe maybe he's got a little boogie side
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  Speaker 1: to him, and just peppering them with your classic TMZ questions,
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  Speaker 1: which I thought, God, Mike's got a hold together here,
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  Speaker 1: because and listen, I think these TMZ guys are just
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  Speaker 1: fucking losers. I mean, if that is, if that was
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  Speaker 1: ever my job, I would rather dig ditches. I would
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: rather clean fucking septic tanks than do what that guy
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  Speaker 1: is making money doing. But I also do respect it
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: a little bit. A lot of times in Hollywood. You
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: know a lot of these actors are They're not like
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: a threat to you, like what are they gonna do?
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  Speaker 1: Hit your camera out? Most of them are pretty small guys.
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  Speaker 1: Mike Vrabels like six four two seventy five, play in
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  Speaker 1: the league for fifteen years, Like he would fuck that
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  Speaker 1: guy up, and like, listen, this is a crazy time
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  Speaker 1: self inflicted on him. There was a brief moment like
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  Speaker 1: is he gonna hold it together? Because that's what was
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  Speaker 1: riveting about it, not that I mean listen, I watched it,
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  Speaker 1: not proud to say, and I was like, is he
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  Speaker 1: gonna snap? Is he gonna snap? Here? Because I wouldn't
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  Speaker 1: even have totally blamed him if he just picked up
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  Speaker 1: the dude and threw him. Obviously, if he did that,
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  Speaker 1: his career would be over. He's no dummy. But he
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: had to really kind of some deep breast breathe through
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: your nose, calm down. But that's where this story's at.
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: And I think the question is because like everything, stuff
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: goes away right nothing in this day and age, with
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: how fast stories come and they go attention spans change.
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: There's nothing quite like this in the NFL. And the
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: reason I don't know if this story's gonna go away
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: anytime soon because like AJ Brown gets traded, that that
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: thing ends and the Eagles move on and the Patrio
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: have him. Ty Simpson's draft did and eventually he'll just
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: be a training camp taking reps with the Two's football
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: just happens. But stories about this don't necessarily go away
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: as long as the New York Post, who clearly is
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: on this because it's working. People are clicking on this stuff,
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: people are watching it. TMZ, who got scooped on this
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: is trying to get involved because the metrics show that
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: we can't help ourselves. And you know, coaches are huge
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: on and even McVeigh mentioned this to Colin when he said,
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: did you think people made too big a deal about
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: your body language? And I'll give McVeigh a lot of credit,
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: he's like, well, I take a little inventory you look back.
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: I didn't handle I could have handled that a little
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: bit better. It was pretty evident that I looked like
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: I was furious, and I made a story like there
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: was a fine line there and I was on the
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: wrong side of it, and this is one like these
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: guys can't Mike can't control anything, Like he can't control
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: these stories that keep coming out about the crafts. Have
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: a backup plan of Mike Tomlin about people talking, like
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: back to the rams in the draft. People like to talk.
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: So when I see sources around Rasini or sources around
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: Vable like kind of believe it. People like to be opinionated,
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: and most people don't get to be opinionated in whatever
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: roles you have in life besides maybe you're home. So
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: I think people just naturally can't keep their mouths shut
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: in situation like this. I don't know. I mean, this
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: is a storm. You know, we often say weather the storm.
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: It happens a lot on the internet, which the majority
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: of controversies and listen, I've had people, you know, in
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: what I do. If you say something pissed people off,
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: you know, probably over the course of my life. I'm
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: sure you've tweeted things that were probably like, eh, I
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: didn't need to do that. That you just turn off
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: your phone. It's not that big a deal. This is
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: one of those you can't just turn off your phone
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: because everywhere go people are looking at you. And before
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: like Mike Vrabel is a massive dude. He's a head
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: coach in the NFL or when he was a player.
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: People naturally he's a famous guy, right, but they're Tiger
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: Woods famous guy. But there's a difference of you like, oh,
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: there's Tiger Woods the best golfer in the world too.
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: After the moment happened on Thanksgiving when Elin took the
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: nine iron to his face, no one ever quite looked
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: at him the same, especially those several years right after it.
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: And that's what Vrabel is going through. And a huge
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: part of Mike was like, it's like the Harball brothers,
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: Dan Campbell McVeigh has this there's like a swag. I
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: see it when I go to the Combine. When Dan
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: Campbell enters the room, there's like some juice. When Jim
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: Harbaugh enters the room, there's just some fucking aura to him.
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: Mike Vrabel at the Combine before this news broke, we're
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: seeing he was actually in the room too. Uh. No
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: one was paying attention to the two, so who knows
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: if they even talked in that room he walked in,
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: But there is just you feel his presence, and part
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: of that is the way you carry yourself with confidence. Well,
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: how do you have the same confidence when you know
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: everyone's staring at you and you know exactly what they're thinking.
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: And now it's not just dudes looking at you, it's
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: like the women are looking at you too, not in
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: a great way. So I don't know how this thing's
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: gonna end. But I do know this. I'm as guilty
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: as anybody. I click on this shit, I watch this stuff.
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: Me and my wife send dms on Instagram about the
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: latest Bravo gossip. That's what this has become. And can't
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: he shake it? If this doesn't stop and it doesn't
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: feel like the post is hesitant to slow down anytime soon,
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: good luck to him, godspeed, because it's not gonna be easy.
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• 24:54
  Speaker 1: stories here, oh Star with Fernando Mendoza, who is going
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: to wear number fifteen, which is a retired number. Tom
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: Flores he played for the Raiders. He won a championship.
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: He was an assistant coach for the Raiders with John
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: Madden in the seventies where he's the wide receiver coach.
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: They obviously won the Super Bowl in seventy five. Then
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: he was the head coach of the Raiders when they
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: won multiple Super Bowls. And then I knew him. He
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: was really old, but by the time I was around him,
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: he was the radio with Greg Papa color Guy. Just
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: a legendary figure. He's from the Central Valley. Great guy.
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: People love Tom Flores, and he gave you know, Fernando
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: wants to wear fifteen Tom Flores let him wear the jersey.
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: He said, you have my blessing, you can wear it.
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: And he just had this incredible quote that said he
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: deserves my blessing because if he's not the real deal,
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: I don't know what the hell I'm doing. He's perfect,
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: makes every throw, he can make the plays. What can
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: he do? Plus good looking like me. That's Flores eighty
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: nine years old, still got this strong ego and self belief,
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: So I love it. A couple other quick things we
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: saw in recent history. Teams pay quarterbacks, and let's face it,
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: even if you get quarterbacks on a non Mahomes Josh Allen,
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: Dak Prescott deal, they're still really expensive. You know. Jordan
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: Love after eight games, got like one hundred and seventy
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: million dollars guaranteed. Like, even if you're getting a guy like, wow,
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: this isn't Deshaun Watson, this is Dak Prescott, it's still
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: gonna be more money than you're giving every player on
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: the team. Michael Parts has got one hundred and forty
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: million dollars guaranteed, so even the best position players don't
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: get as much as the second tier quarterbacks. And most
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: of these guys, as we've learned with Daniel Jones, like
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: they're getting forty million dollars a year. And clearly the
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: Cardinals and the Miami Dolphins regretted their decisions immediately. They
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: never made sense at the time. It was just insane business.
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: It was crazy. It was like, how are you giving
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: this much money to people? There's no way you believe
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: in as much as you're giving them. And I don't
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: blame the player. I would have signed those contracts too,
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: but I do think that served the league as a
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: reminder of, like, you better be really sure, and especially
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: when you draft one of these guys in the first round,
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: you got time. These aren't four year contracts, they're five
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: because you can just pick up the fifth year option.
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: And the Houston Texans, who I think most people would
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: agree have one of who knows the way it exactly
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: shaped out, they might have the best roster in the NFL.
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: They definitely have a top five roster in the NFL.
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: They have an elite defense, they got players on offense,
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: they just added to their offensive line. They got a chance.
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: If you told me that like Herbert or Jared Goff
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: or Dak Prescott was their quarterback, like, I'd pick them
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: to go like sixteen in one. I think they would dominate.
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: But they got CJ. Stroud, who after his rookie year
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: has been all over the map, and they give will
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: Anderson this huge contract rightfully, so he's earned it. He's
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: a fucking monster. And people are like, well, it's next
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: with CJ. Nothing exercises fifth year option. We'll just play
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: it out. And then today I saw the Carolina Panthers,
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: who Dan Morgan has done a really, really good job.
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: He added some players last year. Obviously Ted McMillan was
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: the rookie of the year. This year, we could argue
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: he overpaid a little bit, but he gets Jalen Phillips,
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: he gets Devin Lloyd, he signed the Georgia offensive tackle
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: that's like six to seven, big time athlete. In the
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: second round, they take the defensive tackle from Texas Tech,
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: who would have gone way higher if he didn't have
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: a shitty vertical jump. And then their third round pick
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: was the Tennessee corner of Brazil who is six foot
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: four ran a four to three was really productive this year.
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: And here's the thing. If you got Bryce Young, who
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: five foot ten, one hundred and fifty pounds, you kind
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: of need to get them some big targets. Well, McMillan
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: and this guy are big targets, so I think they're
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: just and honestly, any quarterback with like a big target,
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: they're doing a really good job just building a team.
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: So like the Texans, Carolina is obviously not as good
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: as the Texans, but you're just building a real team.
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: You pick up the fifty year option in your quarterback
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: and you just play it out. And you're in no
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: rush to sign any sort of contract extension at a
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: high number. Why because that would be awful business. It
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: would limit your ability if things go wrong and you
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: don't have the evidence that things will go right. So
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: I give both those organizations respect. Build that thing up,
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: play it out, and if you gotta pivot, you just
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: pivot and you figure it out. Story today, Mary kay Cabott,
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: who's been covering the Brown since like the seventies, said
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: that Deshaun Watson was taking reps with the number ones.
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: This gets back to, you know, Russell Wilson is probably
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: gonna sign with the Jets as a backup quarterback. You
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: can have the greatest drafts in the world. You could
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: land Reggie White and Dion Sanders and Walter Payton I
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: in twenty twenty six. If you don't have a quarterback
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: you get, you got nothing, and I Deshaun Watson's gonna
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: be your starting quarterback. And this is a situation where,
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: to me, the owner is so dead set on not
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: he's not gonna prove anyone wrong. I mean he even
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: admitted a couple like a year ago that it was
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: a miss it was a mistake. But also like, I
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: don't want to pay you to go away, and you
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: can't convince me that Deshaun Watson's still on this team
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: because they just didn't want to eat the money and
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: pay him to not be there. Say, if we're gonna
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: pay you the money, you're gonna be here. And I
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: can't imagine a bat like I gotta watch DeShawn Watson
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: coming off an Achilles Tare with the two young guys
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: that we drafted, like I'd at least rather just see
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: Shade or Sanders with these guys. So it's I feel
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: free to Cleveland and then last but not least, I
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: read this article on the Athletic. I think this guy's
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: a big Vanderbilt fan, basically crushing the NFL for not
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: drafting Diego Pavia for taking his confidence and his swagger
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: and his like just lack of I guess humility as
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: a negative as being laughable, like the amount of quarterbacks
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: that also do that that get drafted. And it's pretty
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: clear I would say this in any walk of life
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: and definitely any business. The more talented you are, the
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: more you can get away with. Right. We saw a
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: couple of years ago in the draft with Jalen Carter.
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: He got arrested slash checked himself into jail at the combine.
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: But he's also like, I'm the best player in this draft.
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: This is fucking nuts. But you guys all know it.
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: I know it, you know it, my agent knows it.
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: Like whatever, And what happened. He fell to nine, Right
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: Diego Pavi, which I enjoyed watching in college. Clearly these
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: teams won. He's five to ten decent athlete, average arm.
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: But whatever he was doing in these interviews and talking
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: to teams was not the right thing, because it's not
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: really even debatable, like the Schador thing. The Eagles the Ravens.
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: These teams wanted to draft them, right, they were like
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: calling them in like third and fourth round. He's like,
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: do not pick me? You know that was this is like, no,
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: we're not touching this guy. There are no excuses to
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: be made, Like to me, this one is clearly on
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: the quarterback right. And I don't know all the details.
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: Only he and the individual gms. I think they're hesitant,
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: like they're not trying to crush the kid. And now
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: he gets a chance with the Ravens after a tryout
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: or I think he was originally signed to a tryout,
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: and now he's essentially just gonna be, you know, sign
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: an undrafted free agent. But if you're a guy that's
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: gonna go, even if you're gonna get drafted on the fifth, sixth,
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: seventh round, do you know what the right approach is? Yes, sir, no, man,
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: I'll do whatever it takes. I'll start third, four string,
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: I'll play special teams. You need me to kick, I'll
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: try kicking. I'll do it. No different than most human
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: beings when they're young and they interview at a company.
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: You're extremely replaceable. So when you interview, what do you
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: typically do? You're on your best behavior. Your shoulders are back,
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: you're wearing something nice, you're talking probably like you wouldn't
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: talk to your buddies, right or even your parents. You
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: kind of try to act the part and some of
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: these guys, which is rare because most of these guys
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: and this is what impresses people during the draft when
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: a guy that's gonna be a first round pick goes, God,
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: this guy acts like he doesn't think he's gonna get drafted,
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: Like how humble he was, how attentive he was, how
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: willing he was to do whatever it takes. And when
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: you go when you tell people like I'm gonna be
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: a starting quarterback, like, that's not what people want to hear.
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: And part of being successful in the NFL is having
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: some self awareness, because you know what, most people are not.
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: Most people are not Patrick Mahomes. Most people are not
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: Bijon Robinson or Aaron Donald or you know, Travis Kelcey.
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: Most people are just role players that kind of come
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: in and come out. Justin Field's a great example, right,
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: he is a backup quarterback and who knows how this
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: plays out, could end up being the third string quarterback.
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: But you know what, he's very very well respected in
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: the pros. Why the way he acts, the way he
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: conducts himself, how he is his teammate, how he goes
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: about his business, how he's willing to kind of do
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: whatever you need him to do. And he's way more
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: physically gifted than Diego Pavia. So I just think sometimes
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: in life it's healthy to be humbled. And we'll see
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: how this whole thing plays out. Okay, let's do some
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• 35:16
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• 35:20
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• 35:24
  Speaker 1: Caden Proctor transferred to out of Alabama back to Iowa.
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: He got seven hundred and fifty knil and then transferred
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: back to Bama before the season started. Probably part of
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: why Sabin was throwing shade. I didn't know that, I think,
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: because I said there was only one transfer guy in
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: the first round, and that was the guard the Texans took,
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: so he transferred as well. I guess I did. Just
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: see Jackson sent me the tweet that the Dolphins are
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: gonna start Caden Proctor guard, and then jack it was like,
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: why didn't they just draft the guard from that estate.
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: I did watch John Eric Sullivan's press conference. He's a
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: huge fan of Kaden Proctor. I mean he called him
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: a dancing bear. I just think he thinks there's a
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: higher ceiling and upside with him. I think Saban just
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: said he wasn't a self starter. I don't think Saban
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: had an issue with him going back and forth. It
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: was more that you just couldn't trust the guy when
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: he was away, which big guys naturally, uh battle weight issues,
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: whether you're a football player or not. If you're six
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: foot five, six foot six, guys that weigh over three
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: hundred pounds, they're naturally just consuming more food. Like remember,
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: Shack used to get really fat. It is much easier
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: for him to just think of the calories that he
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: would just naturally intake if he's in shape. So I've
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: always given big guys a little bit of the benefit
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: of doubt. They have to work harder to stay in
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: shape because of the weight they're carrying on. Then five
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: to eleven dB. If a DB's out of shape, that's embarrassing,
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: and most of those guys rarely are. They're just naturally
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: in shape. Their body composition is just different. But I
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: think it can be debated. If Caden Proctor the rest
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: of his career is just a guard in the NFL
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: and he's not as good of the guard as the
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: Penn State guard that got drafted by the Ravens, why
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: they just didn't draft the guard? The Chiefs had a
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: glaring needed edge and wide receiver. They have one of
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: the worst pass rushes in the league, and the receivers
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: cannot beat man coverage. Why would they move up in
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: the draft and pick a cornerback a position they historically
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: find value in the later rounds, in a position that
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: they do not pay. They will never have the ninth
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: pick again in the Mahomes era. It feels like a
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: great opportunity wasted. What do you think, Well, they did
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: trade up for McDuffie if I remember correctly and like
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: part of it. Okay, Well I got I got delayed
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: for the next four years, making six seven million dollars.
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: So if he becomes multiple Pro Bowls like McDuffie like,
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: that's a win. If they don't extend the guy. I
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: also think that they believe that delayne ceiling at outside
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: corners higher now McDuffie's a multiple time All Pro, is
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: delaying gonna be an All Pro immediately. Time will tell,
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: but I think they viewed him as the best player
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: in the draft, you know, given where you know they
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: beside the top couple guys that were picked. I also
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: don't think you know Jordan Tyson different than than than
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: ty Simpson, but his rope risk profile is really big too, right,
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: the difference between ty Simpson and Jordan Tyson, who the
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: Chiefs technically could have taken at six. His ceiling is
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: extremely high freak athlete. Played last year on the ASU
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: playoff team and was unreal, but then he broke his
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: collar bone and then obviously this year he's injured. But
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: his ceiling and his measureables are big time right. As
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: an explosive athlete like he is, a high end NFL athlete,
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: I don't think the Chiefs could take that risk. So
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: if they were gonna trade up, they had to get
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: a guy who was durable and could play immediately. And
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: clearly on their draft board, they had the corner rated
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: as a much better player than the tackles, because you
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: could argue, why not take a tackle? There was not
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: a wide receiver there to take right, Like I guess,
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: beside Jordan Tyson, who to me was too risky, they
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: can't afford to take that risk on Jordan Tyson. So
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: I just think they believe Delane's gonna be an elite player.
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: Would there ever be a world where all of the
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: NFL teams disclose their top fifty players and hopeful picks,
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: or is the big board two much of an inside
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: info that no team would want to give up the
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: draft day plan one. They would never do it just
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: because a lot of teams you end up most players
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: change teams in their careers, right, So if if someone
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: trades for Kavon Thibodeau here in over the course of
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: the next couple months, Let's say the Giants, who I
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: read they wanted a second round pick for him. But
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: let's say I'm the pick a team, the Bucks or
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: you know, the Patriots, whoever, and I trade for him. Well,
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: if my board for the last however many years was
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: public knowledge and he wasn't even a top fifty pick
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: of mine, he'd like, do you guys even like me? Now?
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: I understand there's GM changes and stuff. My point is
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: it doesn't benefit teams to do that at all, and
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: then the own guys you've picked, it would be pretty clear.
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: It's like, God, they would have taken this guy if
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: he was still there, over this guy. So in the
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: social media era, that'll just never happen. Did the Titans
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: fire Vrabel because they knew about the scandal, It's a
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: great question. I think it was more because the owner.
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: From what I've known, I've known some people that have
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: worked there can be very emotional, and I think this
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: gets back to like Belichick with the Patriots, he was
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: just a dick, you know, you just didn't treat people
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: that well. I think Vrabel with the Titans could be
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: a dick and their team wasn't winning. So if you
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: win and you're a dick, it's like, okay, you know,
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: let's do it. If you lose, in you're a dick,
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: you typically get fired. It has been made clear that
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: this draft may be the worst in recent memory. Does
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: that mean we are due for an absolute banger or
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: is every draft for the foreseeable future going to be
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: watered down because players want to milk every year of
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: college eligibility. I think one knock on this draft is
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: there was only one quarterback and he was viewed as
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: you know, like a Jared Goff. So we've had drafts
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: with like Caleb, Jayden Daniels, and Drake May Like I
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: think if those guys were in this draft, pretty good
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: chance they go ahead of Fernando Mendozo, all three of them.
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: So part of it is quarterback power. And then there
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: was not you know, I know Carnell Tait went for
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: He's never even been the number one wide receiver on
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: his own team. Rvel Reese is a type guy that
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: always goes high like he's a sweet prospect, twenty big measurables,
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: sunny styles, a big time prospect. That there wasn't a
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: can't miss left tackle. There wasn't, I mean a running
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: back went third. So I just think it was it
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: lacks some firepower at other positions, which next year doesn't.
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: I think it's just kind of random year to year.
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: Just got back from Pittsburgh. It's insane how much people
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: care about their teams. It is their nationality. Their nationality
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: is the Steelers in New York. It does not feel
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: like that at all. Sports are more like a hangout
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: of it. Do you think passion in people's teams are declining?
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: And it's becoming more of an entertainment market. I feel
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: like the Yankees are a pretty big deal in New
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: York and the Knicks. I think one issue the football
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: teams have is they sucked. I mean, the Jets have
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: been bad, I'm for almost twenty years. The Giants since
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: they fired Kaflin have been really really bad. If you
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: told me the Giants or Jets had like Mahomes and
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: were kicking ass, I think they would be a really
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: big deal. The Steelers, the Packers, the Chiefs, the Bears,
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: like some of these teams are just interwoven into the
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: fabric of society. The other thing is you go to Pittsburgh.
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: I don't think I've never been to Pittsburgh, but if
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: you went into as a city, if you went to Chicago,
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: you go to New York, like what percentage of people
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: that you meet are gonna be born and raised in
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: New York to live in the city. Same thing with
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: La or if you went to LA The Lakers and
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: the Dodgers are huge. But if I just went walked
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: down in Beverly Hills or in Century City, where I
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: stay when I go to Colin and it started introducing
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: myself to people, I would guys ensuits, people that are
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: working going to the office, you would meet a lot
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: of people like, yeah, I'm from Chicago. Yeah I'm from Seattle.
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah I'm from Texas. You know, Arizona's like that, right.
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: But if I went to Pittsburgh, I bet if I
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: just introduced my not when the drafts there, but I
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: just introduced myself to people. I bet a lot of
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: people are from the general area. Philly is a lot
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: like that. You just walk around a lot of people
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: are from the general However, many you know, sixty seventy
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: eighty mile radius of Philadelphia, Jersey. Same thing. You go
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: to New York City, It's not the same, you know.
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: I bet if I went to Dallas, Texas, I would
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: meet a lot of people that grew up in Texas.
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: You went to Austin, though, you'd meet people from all
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: over the place. So I think there's some of that.
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: The city's huge. I also think the teams have sucked.
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: But I do think there's a big question mark. You know,
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: kids watch other people play video games, and some of
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: these people play video games make millions of dollars, right,
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: will they like sports? Like? Is my generation? I'm a
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: millennial and I'm an older millennial, so like people in
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: their late twenties early thirties, is that gonna be the
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: last group cohort of people that are really passionate about sports.
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: I think it's a fair debate, and you could convince
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: me fifty to fifty chance that's the case. Luckily, the
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: business I'm in, I have enough people to carry me
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: over till I just kick the bucket, you know, as
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: the longest thirty and forty year olds kind of come
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: with me. I'll just make do till I'm sixty or seventy.
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: But it's definitely on the table that there is a
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: chance that the passion just because of the way society
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: is with technology and the interest of young people. But
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: I also think this, like my son, I'll probably have
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: another child as well. Let's say it's a boy. Let's
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: say I have two boys. They're gonna be around a father.
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: That I mean, the two things I do the most
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: is when I'm at home is watch football and golf
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: and just sporting events. But I most of the stuff
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: I watch, like, I'm not just like watching random movies,
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: like that's not what I do. I just watch games.
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: And now if a game sucks, well, I'll turn it off.
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: But I don't even watch the NBA that much, But like,
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: I'll watch this Laker Rocket game. I put a couple
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: hundred dollars on the Denver Nuggets to win the championship,
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: so I've had their games on. So my sons are
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: gonna be around me watching. Now. Does that guarantee that
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: they're gonna like it? No? Right? Could one of them
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: be want to be a dentist the other an astronaut. Sure,
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: but I think there are always gonna be a lot
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: large generation of kids that, like their father, still watch. Now.
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: Where I think it changes is I don't watch how
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: many baseball games, Like I just watched two sports individuals.
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: So hopefully you and my son becomes Phil Michelson. But
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: I don't know. That's a great question. How many first
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: round picks would the three NFC coaches fetch? Who would
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: be and who would be worth the most? How many
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: wins would the Browns or Jets win next year if
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: they have them. I know he just won the Super Bowl.
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: But the one thing Kyle and Sean give you is
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: like they coach the quarterback. So I think those guys,
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: I think they would all go for a lot, But
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: I do think it is fair to say. You know,
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: a year ago Mike McDonald had Gino Smith and he
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: missed the playoffs. Now he went ten and seven. Like
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: Mike McDonald, would go for multiple first round picks, but
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: I think Kyle and McVeigh would go for the most
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: whatever that is. The most you can trade right now
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: is three. You know. I think the Browns or the
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: Rams asked to shade five and they it got declined.
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: It never even got to a vote. But I think
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: Sean McVay and Kyle would just go for the most
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: because they can coach the quarterback. Like the value in that,
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: you know the value these last twenty five years. And
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: Andy Reid is he's a quarterback guy. So from Donovan
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: McNabb to Michael Vick to Alex Smith, the Patrick Mahomes like,
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: that's his baby, that's what he does. And I think
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: the thing that McVeigh and Kyle bring to the table
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: that Andy brought to the table still does. Look at
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: Andy's draft, Andy's a quarterback guy, he's the play caller.
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: His quarterback's coming off an injury. They have question marks
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: at wide receiver. In his first three picks, two d
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: lineman and a corner. It's like the best businessman. They're unemotional,
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: but you always hear that unemotional. They're not cut up
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: in emotion. They can remove it and make good decisions,
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: right acquisitions, where to allocate money, whatever. Football coaches like
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: look at him, He's like, we could easily use a
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: weapon here, but we need some d linemen. And I
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: think McVeigh and Kyle definitely have that right that they'll
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: invest in the defensive line. They'll invest in defensive players,
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: but they do the most important thing. They coach the
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: most important player in the sport. And Mike is just
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: might be just like an outlier all the time defensive guy,
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: kind of like Belichick. Seems like a nicer, more buttoned
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: up Belichick. What are your scout friends saying about nes Meyer?
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: It seems crazy that he dropped behind all the other quarterbacks.
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: It's a head scratcher. You know. I haven't really texted
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: my buddies with Kansas City, but I was thinking about
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: this a year ago. I mean, I don't think does
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: almost a Dug Garrett. He's getting drafted somewhere between thirty
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: five and fifty. Like Garrett, asmyer, we could argue you'd
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: go in the first round, but he for sure is
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: going in the second round, and this year was a nightmare.
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: I haven't asked, but I do think the story that
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: came out about the cysts on the spine that was
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: causing the discomfort in his abs where he had the
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: pain this year before the start of the season, that
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: might need to be removed. If it gets removed, does
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: he missed a season? But if the guy's fully healthy,
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: that's a fantastic seventh round pick. The LSU situation this
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: year was just was a nightmare. Should Carson Beck be
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: this year's Tyler Shuck? I'm pretty high on back because
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: he checks out the boxes physically as a quarterback and
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: has a ton of experience. I could see him coming
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: in toward the end of the season lighting a spark,
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: especially since they have good offensive weapons. If I had
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: to set the over under and Carson Beck starts probably
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: like ten and a half, like, where are they gonna
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: play Jacoby? Now, if I was a betting man, if
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: Jacoby's on the team, Jacoby were set will start Week one,
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: but they're not gonna be any good and their divisions
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: stacked the schedule this year. I forget exactly who the
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: West teams play, but I think they definitely played the
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: AFC West. I think Carson Beck's gonna get a lot
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: of starts Becauld be like, let's just see what we
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: got now. He clearly has to be ready for you
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: to justify it to your team in like training camp.
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: But if he understands the playbook, you could argue just
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: let him start. This season. He was Listen, people hated
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: on him. I kind of thought he was a clown
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: a little bit, uh going into the year. I do
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: think and he you know, this year when they lost
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: to Louisville, he like blamed the play caller, didn't quite
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: help himself. He did play well in their run. He
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: played really well in the playoff games, made some big
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: plays with his legs, made some clutch throws. I mean,
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: started for two of the biggest programs in the country
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: for the last three or four years. Has been a
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: backup before, sitting behind Stetson Bennett. You and Colin are
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: both saying nil has changed the draft, true, but the
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: short term effect in the long term will be different.
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: Right now, drafts are weak, as guys would have declared
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: are staying in school, but future drafts are going to
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: have much better players available in later rounds with more measurables,
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: as they will be older players with more game experience.
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: I say it will be more like it used to be,
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: but since we also have more tape and analytics today,
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: it should be even better. Would you agree with this?
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: I think one thing these teams are gonna have to
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: get over and transition to is if you were twenty
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: four or twenty five in a draft, it was a
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: huge negative. Well, if it becomes like twenty three and
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: twenty four year olds become much more of the norm.
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: Who cares if you're taking a twenty four year old
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: in the fourth round. What if he's actually more physically developed,
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: more mentally developed because he's played a lot of football,
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: he's more ready to play. You're using them the next
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: couple of years. Who gives a shit about twenty thirty
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: if he can help you in twenty six and twenty seven.
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: So I think there's definitely some truth to that. Now
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: this year, you know, because twenty twenty didn't count for them,
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: you had insane amount of older players. I do think
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: that will shift back a little bit to like twenty
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: three years old. But yeah, teams have always historically looked
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: at that as Nate. If you ever are in the
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: Baltimore area, you should try Conrad's Crabs, Seafood's Best Crabs,
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: and Seafood in Maryland is fantastic. Anyway, Big Ravens fan,
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: what are your thoughts on the Ravens offseason and the
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: fourteenth overall pick. Well, obviously they backed out of the
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: Crosby situation. They lost some very impactful player players likely
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: has made massive catches for them over the last couple
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: of years. I mean, Linderbaum was their center. Who's some
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: people think he's a little overrated, but he's like a
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: legit Pro Bowl guy. You lose hard boss, you get
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: this new staff coming in. Guy's never been a head coach.
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: Some questions there. You add Hendrickson, who, while cheaper than
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: Crosby and you didn't have to use draft picks coming
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: off of major injury, doesn't play the run a little older,
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: you know, I think if Metabuke can come back, I
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: think there have been some reports that, you know, there's
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: hope that the neck thing he can overcome that, like
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: he was when you guys were with the One Seed
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: a couple of years ago and you guys had the
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: number one defense. He was fucking unstoppable. So big question
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: mark there. You know Lamar Decklan Doyle, how's that thing
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: gonna work? Obviously you know Zay Flowers, Mark Andrews, still
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: got Derek Henry. I mean he still got really good
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: players on offense, but some question marks with the defense.
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: For sure. Did take was a Zion in the second round.
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: Whose I think people like a lot. Let's let's look
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: really quick at the Ravens draft. You went guard with
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: the fourteenth pick. A lot of people thought he was
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: one of, if not the best players in the draft.
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: He just plays guard. Sweet Zion Young well liked Jacoby Lane,
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: really good wide receiver, Sarat the Indiana wide receiver. He
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: just feels like a Raven. He's kind of got like
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: a little ankuon Bolden game. Definitely not the fastest, but
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: like back shoulder throws like him lot. I don't know
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: much about the rest of the guys, but historically you
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: guys have drafted really well. I was hoping to get
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: your take on the movie Draft Day. I think you're
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: on record as saying that is mostly an inaccurate movie.
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: Was hoping to get your take on maybe a top
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: three most inaccurate parts of the movie, and maybe one
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: or two parts that are actually thought that they kind
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: of hit on. I mean, I've seen the movie once
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: a long time ago. Obviously the parts where they're like
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: trading back picks is unrealistic. Now they hollywooded up in
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: terms of no one went to his birthday party. But
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: I do think it's extremely important at quarterback, how you're
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: viewed with your teammates, how you're viewed with the staff,
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: how you treat people, how people like you. There's like
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: a natural aura a quarterback has to have that. I
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: just want to be around that guy. You know, Brady
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: has it, Mahomes has it, Josh Allen has it, Lamar
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: has it. Burrow seems to have it, even though he's
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: he's kind of a different cat. Dak has it. Golf
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: has it. Like when you go to your team, like,
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: does everyone like you? The young guys, the old guys.
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: It's hard. You make more money, you're more famous. Uh,
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: you get all the credit when things are going well,
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: but there's like, ah, there's like an unquantifiable character background
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: you have to do on a guy, and you just
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: better get it right because I don't want my quarterback
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: being weird, you know, and you could be. You know.
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: Cousins is a good example. Everyone's a cousin nerd. I
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: remember in Minnesota, like those guys putting, they fucking liked him, Mendoza.
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: I remember when they won the Big Ten championship, they
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: won the national Look at the way his teammates celebrated
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: with him, around him and for him, that that really matters.
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: I think shot something at the draft because like an
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: actor came out or maybe no Goodell came out in
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: like announced a fake pick. I think they're shooting Draft
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: Day two. Is bo Nick's a top twelve quarterback, lifelong
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: Broncos fan in field, Bow deserves more respect than he's getting. Yes,
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: he was inconsistent at times, and Sean likes him, and
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: I think the team he has around him, he can
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: lead the Broncos to a super Bowl. Remember Sean took
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: a lot of shit, was like, yes, ankle's messed up.
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: He's it's gonna be an issue. He's gonna have the
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: rest of his career. And then Bo came out, was like,
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: I don't know where he said that. And then today
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: I'm at the gym and I look up on TV,
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: and it was like bo Knicks having another procedure on
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: the ankle, something kind of scary. Uh, He's just an
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: inconsistent player. His highs are big time, his lows are awful.
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: So I think the good thing is his highs have
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: been really high. Helly game winning drive in a playoff game.
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: He had a bunch of game winning drives this year.
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: He also had games where you're thinking yourself, what is
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: going on? And clearly the marriage of the offense and
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: Sean like they just weren't on the same page. But
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: I'm a fan, I'm rooting for him. Hopefully his ankle's okay.
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: Looks like he's gonna miss the OTAs, which isn't that
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: big deal question for the bag? Why do so many
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: NFL players seem to pray before games and credit God
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: for their success? In your opinion, is it because the
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: sport is so violent? The military expression is there are
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: no atheists in foxholes, and maybe that applies to violent
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: sports too. Is faith something that gets talked about in
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: locker rooms from your experience, or is it more taboo
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: and everyone just keeps it to themselves. As a pastor
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: and a huge NFL fan, I'm super curious. I think
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: you're kind of overthinking this one. A large percentage of
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: these players are from the Bible Belt, are from Texas
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: through the South to the Atlantic Ocean, and they grow
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: up in religious homes. So when you see most of
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: these guys that are drafted, you know, give glory to God,
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: thank God. It's because they are legitimately very religious. I
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: didn't in the NFL, but when I was with Fresdent State,
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: I used to go to sometimes it wasn't really Bible study,
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: but and I'm not that religious of a person at all.
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: I went to church less than five times in my
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: life growing up. My wife is much more into it.
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: We went to church with a Christmas Eve Easter. I
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: guess we didn't go this Easter because I had to travel.
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  Speaker 1: But she watches something or listens to something, I mean
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: a minimum a couple times a week and listen. The
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: church I grew up going to the Catholic church in
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: Davis just not my pace. The church we went to
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: in Arizona was I could do that. I'm just not
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: that religious. That being said, I think a lot of people,
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: you know, if you get on social media or obviously,
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  Speaker 1: I think a lot of people that cover sports definitely
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: or not, and they're always kind of uncomfortable with it,
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  Speaker 1: but the players are not, and the coaches are not.
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  Speaker 1: Like if you went to a pregame, it's not a prayer,
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: but like you know, the team pasture or whoever the
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: travels with the team. At Friensdone State, it was packed.
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  Speaker 1: I mean there were thirty forty to fifty guys in there,
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: including coaches. There's always a pregame prayer, there's usually a
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: postgame prayer. There's always a postgame prayer, maybe not necessarily
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: a pregame prayer. As a team. I just think it's
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: very interwoven into the sport because of the people that
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: are playing the sport. I bet if you pulled players
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 1: in the NFL, and definitely players in college, a lot
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: of them just come from I don't know if this
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: the correct wait, like religious households, homes, that church is
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: a big part of their upbringing. So I just think
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  Speaker 1: it's simple as that it's nothing to do with the
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  Speaker 1: violence of the sport. I think it just has to
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: do with a lot of these guys grew up going
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: to church, especially those that Texas, Alabama, Mississippi, Florida, Georgia,
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 1: North Carolina. You know, if you recruit a kid from Seattle, yeah,
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: you might not be that religious. You recruit a kid
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: from Florida, like decent or Texas, decent chances went to
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: fucking church. I'll excuse my language, can't be swearing on
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: this question. So I think it's as simple as these
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: guys grew up in that environment and they just keep
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: that with them and taboo. It's definitely not taboo. You know,
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: I think a lot of people gravitate. One if you
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: think about it, if you just put twenty of us
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: in a room and we're in that room together for
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 1: a year working, right, You're gonna eventually become friends with
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 1: people you have stuff in common with. Right, So people
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: church going people are probably going to gravitate toward other
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 1: people that like in a room that people that like
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: to party and get wasted are going to gravitate toward
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 1: each other. You just typically in life, especially the older
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 1: you get, you just are professionally, you just gravitate toward
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 1: people that have similar interests. And I think if you
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: play on a football team, God prayer just kind of
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: goes hand in hand with it, right, And let's face
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 1: that at the highest level. You have been gifted, like
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 1: some you hit the genetic lottery. Like, no one makes
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: it to the NFL that did not hit the genetic lottery,
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 1: unless maybe a couple of kickers right, and they were
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: given an ability to kick. But like you don't play
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: offensive or defensive line or wide receiver, you are athletically
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: superior than society. You know, it's just it's just a fact.
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 1: So these people, they are religious, I think they they
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: obviously take a lot of connection to that, But I
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 1: don't think anyone. You know, what's funny is my time
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: in the NFL. You see some of these like controversies online,
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 1: everyone just gets along. Now, you might not like everybody,
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: but you're kind of in it together. In the foxhole comment,
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: you're kind of in the fox hole and the grind together.
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: It's like it's a place where, like the life the
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 1: world's problems, I feel like not that relatable to people
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: in locker rooms, because in locker rooms, it's like everyone's
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: kind of in it together. Whether you grew up in
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 1: a country club or whether you grew up homeless, you know,
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 1: they're all kind of working toward one common goal. I
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 1: think there's a lot of respect in a locker room
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: for the religious aspect of many people's lives, unless you're
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: just like preaching NonStop to someone and I've never encountered that.
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: Come more, I enjoy hearing your experiences in the NFL.
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 1: So I have a question when evaluating multiple players for
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: the draft, how much does off the field behavior play
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: into the decision? For example, if a team is deciding
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 1: between two players in one position, the team takes a
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: talent with a plus ceiling that has known off the
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 1: field issues as a player, b plus talent with a
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 1: minus ceiling that is a golden boy off the field,
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: is it universal between organizations on the right choice, or
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: does management, coaching, ownership, culture play more of a factor.
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 1: The one thing I learned, and I mean since I've
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: been doing this, I've obviously follow football for a living,
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 1: and you know, we talk about players NonStop on the
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 1: show from like a less in a granular level and
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 1: probably more like on a macro level about people. Every
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: human is different. So Jalen Carter is a good example.
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: I mean, he was a massive red flag for every team,
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 1: but his talent was so immense his Florida to fall
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 1: was never gonna like he was never gonna be there
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 1: in the second round, right, But if you had the
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 1: same off the field with the guy that was viewed
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 1: as like a third rounder, he might go undrafted. This
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 1: is a talent based business, but it's rare that talent
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 1: only wins. You need talent, you need the people, like
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 1: anyone that you see Seahawks fans know. The way Mike
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: McDonald and John Schneider talked about the team as players
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: in people was pretty pretty impressive, Like they clearly had
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 1: a pretty special group of guys and players. But like
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 1: Moose Johnson, the former Cowboy fullback longtime Fox broadcaster, said,
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: you know you need you need a room full of
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 1: characters who can play and players of care, and you
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: need a mix of it. And that's kind of a
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 1: putting a team together. Right. It's no different than if
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 1: you and I wanted to start a business and we
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 1: were hiring ten people. You'd find ten people that have
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 1: a different skill set and you try to mesh that
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 1: together in a group. So it's impossible to ask or
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 1: like do a hypothetical. I just know this, if you
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 1: have character issues and you don't have as much talent
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 1: as necessarily to validate a pick in the top one
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 1: hundred or whatever. You just won't get drafted. Now, if
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 1: your first round talent you got some character issues, you
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 1: can only fall so far. So if you can play
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 1: and you have elite attributes and your ceiling is B
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 1: plus and over unless you kill someone, and even then,
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 1: how many touchdowns you score? Just because the coaches in
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 1: the gyms are paid to win. They're paid to win.
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 1: Look at James Pierce. I just saw the other day.
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 1: Everything got dismissed. It's like we had the video. I
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 1: saw what happened. Said it forever. Number one thing. You
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 1: go into courtroom, you got the cash, You're gonna be okay.
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 1: He got that first round ni OL money, he can
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 1: find it. That's me or you in that courtroom. We're
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 1: in jail. If you were Browns, what steps would you
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 1: take to turn around the franchise. I think they've done it.
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 1: They've had good drafts, they've accumulated good young players. You
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 1: just have to figure out how to get it. Get
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 1: a quarterback. And I don't necessarily know how they do
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: that because you just started Deshaun Watson. Hopefully you win
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 1: or lose every game. It's really really hard to watch
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 1: the team suck every single year, and just because you
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 1: suck every single year, there's no guarantee that you're gonna
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 1: get the right quarterback. But until they just get a
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 1: serviceable starter, it doesn't really matter. So I think they're
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: doing everything they possibly can and they're gonna roll out
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 1: Deshaun wats would be my guess, And yeah, I don't
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 1: I don't know what else. There's nothing really else they
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 1: can do right now besides just try to accumulate and
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 1: draft and sign good players. I think they get a
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 1: lot of credit for the move they made last year
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 1: with Travis Hunter in their quarterback room. Kind of is
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 1: what it is. It's not like they had other like,
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 1: you know, Brett Farvell wasn't available in free agency, So
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 1: there's nothing really you can do. You just kind of
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 1: got to weather the storm until you hopefully strike gold
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 1: strike oil, you know, hit the lottery. But history would
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 1: say like they've gone a long time without hitting the lottery.
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 1: You know, a lot of other teams the Lion think
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 1: about this. The Lions, who for most of football's existence
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 1: in the Super Bowl era have not been good. Right
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 1: in the last twenty years, they've had two quarterbacks Matt
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 1: Stafford and Jared Goff. Think of what the Browns like.
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 1: Obviously the Packers they can't even relate. You've had Matt
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 1: Stafford and Jared Goff. How's that possible? So it just
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 1: kind of sucks. I don't really know what else to
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 1: tell you. Uh, just just try to enjoy the season.
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 1: Try to enjoy your position. Players, audios, talk soon, see you.
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 1: The volume