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Instant Reaction: Tigs Remember Who They Are, Force Game 5 · Tiger Territory: A Detroit Tigers Podcast

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  Speaker 1: And welcome into another episode.
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  Speaker 2: Tied Territory had to buy Fox one part of the
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  Speaker 2: foul Terratory Network. I'm Kieren Steckley with me is always
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  Speaker 2: a man who is the babe ruth of calling this shot?
• 0:21
  Speaker 2: He is Cody staved Hagen. How you doing? What was that? Like?
• 0:26
  Speaker 1: Where was that game?
• 0:28
  Speaker 2: What?
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  Speaker 3: The Tigers for four innings were just dead. It's like
• 0:35
  Speaker 3: I kind of thought they were gonna win this game,
• 0:37
  Speaker 3: but this has the feeling of a funeral, and the
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  Speaker 3: crowd was just dead and angry. And then here we are.
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  Speaker 3: Now the Tigers beat the Seattle Mariners nine to three.
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  Speaker 3: They're going to Game five back in Seattle. That Kieran
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  Speaker 3: was the most runs the Tigers have scored in a
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  Speaker 3: postseason game since the nineteen sixty eight World Series.
• 1:05
  Speaker 2: Is that wild, dude?
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  Speaker 1: That blows my mind?
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  Speaker 3: Game six of the Really, that just tells you the
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  Speaker 3: Tigers should have been scoring more runs in the playoffs
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  Speaker 3: for fifty years.
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  Speaker 1: But pretty incredible.
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  Speaker 2: No, it was remarkable. I I you know, as I
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  Speaker 2: always do. I have like my my notepad here and
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  Speaker 2: I had a lot of things scribbled. I actually had
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  Speaker 2: the tear out of page because I had all these
• 1:30
  Speaker 2: things that I was gonna go into, you know, had
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  Speaker 2: that game gone, how it looked, you know what I mean?
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  Speaker 2: And and like this was like you know, it's it's
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  Speaker 2: it's October, Halloween month. Like this was kind of like
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  Speaker 2: a coming back from the dead game for the type,
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  Speaker 2: for you know, for the game, for the series, for
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  Speaker 2: the season, for this team, and it there's so many
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  Speaker 2: storylines that we have to get to. I guess if
• 1:59
  Speaker 2: we want to go in sort of like chronological order
• 2:02
  Speaker 2: here for a second, Uh, Casey Mice, Casey Mice and
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  Speaker 2: lost in the sauce of everything that happened this game,
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  Speaker 2: Casey Mice, by the way, was good, Like Casey Mice
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  Speaker 2: was good today. I thought three innings, now, we'll talk
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  Speaker 2: about that in a second. Three innings, he allowed one run,
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  Speaker 2: he had six k's, he had two walks, fifty four pitches,
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  Speaker 2: he had first pitch strikes on the first eight batters
• 2:26
  Speaker 2: of the game, Cody, and and You're like, look, he
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  Speaker 2: left the splitter up, some damage was done, he allowed
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  Speaker 2: to run. I'll be honest. At that time, I was like,
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  Speaker 2: I would I would keep Casey Mice out there because
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  Speaker 2: I thought he was good. Like I thought he was
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  Speaker 2: good enough to continue the momentum there. That was my
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  Speaker 2: thought at the time. And then Holten comes in and
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  Speaker 2: we'll talk about that sequence. But just in general, like
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  Speaker 2: Casey Mice and like I talked about this in Game
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  Speaker 2: two of the Wildcard series, is that like you were
• 3:00
  Speaker 2: drafted one to one for moments like this, and you know,
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  Speaker 2: clinching a series in game two when you're up one
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  Speaker 2: one to oher and the best of three is different
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  Speaker 2: than facing elimination in a best of five, right, So
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  Speaker 2: I thought he answered the bell like was he perfect?
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  Speaker 2: Of course not, but I thought Casey Myes against that
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  Speaker 2: lineup that had just done damage left and right previously
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  Speaker 2: in this series, I thought Casey Mice was was good.
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  Speaker 2: I thought he was good. I thought, like they showed
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  Speaker 2: that clip on the TV copy of like him and
• 3:30
  Speaker 2: Flerity kind of talking and you know they're kind of
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  Speaker 2: like talking off the side of the mouth a little bit,
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  Speaker 2: and I think Flarity was kind of talking him down off,
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  Speaker 2: like being pulled where it's like, dude, you were good.
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  Speaker 2: This is a circumstance, you know, blah blah blah, Casey Mees.
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  Speaker 2: I'll say this, Casey Myes deserves like to be a winner,
• 3:49
  Speaker 2: if not literally metaphorically, of this game, because like, he
• 3:53
  Speaker 2: pitched a pretty dang good three innings and he could
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  Speaker 2: have gone longer.
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  Speaker 3: In my opinion, Yeah, you know who got really bailed
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  Speaker 3: out today? It was one Andrew J.
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  Speaker 1: Hinch.
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  Speaker 3: I didn't like the decision to pull Mayes. You know,
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  Speaker 3: he pulled Eyes early in the Wildcard series in Cleveland.
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  Speaker 1: Because was looking kind of shaky.
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  Speaker 4: Right.
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  Speaker 3: AJ does not like any insinuation that he scripts these games.
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  Speaker 3: He says he's watching the game, he's using his feel.
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  Speaker 3: Mice had swing and miss stuff. He had got nine whiffs,
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  Speaker 3: he had struck out six guys. That's rare for Casey.
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  Speaker 3: That's Casey at his best. So for him to be
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  Speaker 3: yanked after three innings, my initial thought was like, look,
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  Speaker 3: I get it, I get the matchups. It spoke to
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  Speaker 3: a lack of faith that the Tigers were going to
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  Speaker 3: score runs. To me, it felt like AJ thought he
• 4:42
  Speaker 3: had to kind of win that game from the manager's chair.
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  Speaker 3: Sometimes people accuse him of overmanaging. I don't really because
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  Speaker 3: it just works too often. But this felt like he
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  Speaker 3: was trying to win the game for the manager's chair,
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  Speaker 3: born out of a lack of faith in the offense.
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  Speaker 3: But the opportunity cost was that your bullpen is going
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  Speaker 3: to have to take down six innings of that game,
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  Speaker 3: and that's really rolling the dice. Obviously at backfired not
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  Speaker 3: later in the game, but right away they were in
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  Speaker 3: the soup. Kyle Finigan actually kind of bailed them out
• 5:14
  Speaker 3: coming in for Holton getting a double playball getting a
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  Speaker 3: pop up. But I didn't think it was a great
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  Speaker 3: managerial decision for me. J very risky. I guess what
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  Speaker 3: those bats, Those bats came alive.
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  Speaker 2: Right And again, we're gonna try to section this off
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  Speaker 2: as much as possible, but like I'll say, anecdotally, does
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  Speaker 2: it feel like Holton gets more of those like poppers
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  Speaker 2: up the middle where he kind of either gloves it
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  Speaker 2: or doesn't glove it, and something weird happens because that's
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  Speaker 2: he comes in and boom, first thing, Now you got
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  Speaker 2: a runner on and he allows you know, he gets
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  Speaker 2: runners on right there, you know, three straight, and then
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  Speaker 2: you have to and and you're thinking, like this thing
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  Speaker 2: could get like ugly quick and again, well we'll talk
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  Speaker 2: about that sequence here in a second, but first we
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  Speaker 1: It's two to one Blue Jays. They just took the
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  Speaker 1: lead in the fifth inning.
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• 7:21
  Speaker 2: I do you mentioned a couple of moments there and
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  Speaker 2: we haven't even really gotten to like the actual like
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  Speaker 2: bats bats coming alive. But yesterday, yesterday's podcast, I said
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  Speaker 2: what lost the game? We talked a lot about the
• 7:34
  Speaker 2: sequence there defensively, so it's only fair that we say
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  Speaker 2: what won the game? And I have.
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  Speaker 1: Three want to revisit the play again.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, he said, Zach mckinstrey didn't say he should
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  Speaker 3: have cut off the ball. Okay, So the play is
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  Speaker 3: to cut off the ball assuming there's no play at home.
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  Speaker 3: So mckinstrey's quote to me that he's only gonna cut
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  Speaker 3: it if the runners advancing to second not correct.
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  Speaker 1: Now.
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  Speaker 3: AJ did leave open the idea of that maybe he
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  Speaker 3: could not have actually gotten to the ball because it
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  Speaker 3: was a bathrow. AJ didn't say it was a bath
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  Speaker 3: throwbot because it was an offline throw. Although you look
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  Speaker 3: at the replay and it looks like he's close to it.
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  Speaker 3: He's moving right balls to the left.
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  Speaker 1: It's low.
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  Speaker 3: AJ did give McKinstry some grace for you know that possibility.
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  Speaker 1: So I think we were both half right.
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  Speaker 2: I'll take it. I'll take it. Uh so what won
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  Speaker 2: the game? And I'll present you some options here, Cody,
• 8:30
  Speaker 2: so Finn again comes in with no outs in the
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  Speaker 2: fourth inning, bases loaded, and you're already down a run.
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  Speaker 2: He gets a double play ball and then he gets
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  Speaker 2: a foul out, so you you survive. You only give
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  Speaker 2: up a run there and you get out of the ending.
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  Speaker 2: So that's Candon Number one. Number two is in the
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  Speaker 2: fifth Jamai Jones pinch hitting for Parker Metal. So you
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  Speaker 2: already have a run scored at this point. But the
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  Speaker 2: reason I pointed this out is that scoring one and
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  Speaker 2: scoring two when you're down three a lot different. So
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  Speaker 2: Jamai comes in, first pitch, fastball, boom double. Now you're
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  Speaker 2: down one. That just feels a lot different. The crowd
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  Speaker 2: is juice. It's a lot different than just scoring one run.
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  Speaker 2: So I want to give Jones credit there. And then
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  Speaker 2: Riley Green in the sixth Offspire lefty. Here's a fun fact, Cody,
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  Speaker 2: the first home run Riley Green has hit this year
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  Speaker 2: off a lefty reliever. To talk about coming up in
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  Speaker 2: a big spot, that gives you the lead for the
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  Speaker 2: first time since you won the game in Game one.
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  Speaker 2: And then I'll throw in there Melton holding in the
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  Speaker 2: six after that big fifth running because you always know
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  Speaker 2: it's important to hold them after you get an offensive, onslaught,
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  Speaker 2: Melton holding in the sixth, and then also giving you
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  Speaker 2: three innings. So those are my candidates right there. We
• 9:54
  Speaker 2: have Finnegan limiting damage. We have Jones getting the second
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  Speaker 2: run across, which I think is big for momentum, Green
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  Speaker 2: with the go ahead home run, by the way, the
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  Speaker 2: fourth longest postseason home run since they started tracking this
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  Speaker 2: in like twenty twenty one, and Melton holding in the
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  Speaker 2: sixth slash giving you a three innings. So what won
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  Speaker 2: the or any candidates you have, what won the game?
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  Speaker 3: I mean, all those things won the game. I think
• 10:17
  Speaker 3: Troy Melton maybe the most underrated storyline because I typed
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  Speaker 3: the opportunity.
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  Speaker 1: Cost of pulling minds.
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  Speaker 3: Your pullman has to take down all these innings. It's
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  Speaker 3: a lot of trust in a rookie who you've asked
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  Speaker 3: so much of. We talked about this at nauseum. Melton
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  Speaker 3: delivered man, and he was pretty nasty and he kind
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  Speaker 3: of zoomed through those three innings, or at least it
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  Speaker 3: felt to me like he zoomed through the three innings.
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  Speaker 2: Well, trouble in his first outing, but he got out
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  Speaker 2: of it.
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  Speaker 1: You know, he was he was really good.
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  Speaker 3: Things could be different, man, if he runs some struggles
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  Speaker 3: and you have to turn to Tommy Kinley or Rafael
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  Speaker 3: Montero or Brent Herder. You didn't have to do that, man.
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  Speaker 3: He got you there straight to the ninth. I thought
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  Speaker 3: that was huge and it kind of goes overlooked and
• 11:00
  Speaker 3: game that had so many other things going on. We
• 11:02
  Speaker 3: haven't even talked about the potential pitch tipping and all
• 11:06
  Speaker 3: these other things.
• 11:07
  Speaker 2: So yeah, I'll tell you an example of to the Victor,
• 11:11
  Speaker 2: Go the Spoils. I thought about naming this podcast like
• 11:14
  Speaker 2: nail Or in the Coffin because Taylor was dominating that game, dude,
• 11:19
  Speaker 2: to begin with. We'll talk about that uh here in
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  Speaker 2: a little bit. But let's let's give a let's give
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  Speaker 2: some Hobby's love. Man, Hobby did it?
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  Speaker 1: Oh? What won the game?
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  Speaker 2: Man?
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  Speaker 3: Like?
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  Speaker 2: When he had that game Ty and RBI, I was like,
• 11:36
  Speaker 2: I was alone at this point, so I have no witnesses,
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  Speaker 2: but I was like this, sob is going to steal
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  Speaker 2: a base here.
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  Speaker 1: I just know it.
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  Speaker 2: I just know he's going to go for the seal.
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  Speaker 2: And then he actually did it, and then he did
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  Speaker 2: it and then uh in the sixth when he had
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  Speaker 2: his home run, I was like, my wife had gotten
• 11:52
  Speaker 2: home from work at that point, and I was like,
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  Speaker 2: if he hits a home run here, and she loves Hobby,
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  Speaker 2: I was like, if he hits a home run here,
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  Speaker 2: this place is about to explode and the next pitch boom.
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  Speaker 2: So I do have a witness for that one. I've
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  Speaker 2: had no witnesses for my calls previous in this series,
• 12:07
  Speaker 2: but I do have a witness for that one. He
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  Speaker 2: ends up two for four, He has the home run,
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  Speaker 2: He has four ribbies, which you know only came as
• 12:13
  Speaker 2: a result of hustling down the line. He didn't really
• 12:16
  Speaker 2: have to do anything spectacular defensively. But this was kind
• 12:19
  Speaker 2: of like a five tool in a way, like Hobby Game,
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  Speaker 2: Like this was this was this was all Hobby.
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  Speaker 1: I thought that Finnigan double play was you know, he had.
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  Speaker 2: To be yeah, yeah, that's true. I mean he like,
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  Speaker 2: this was this was every This was everything Hobby. This
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  Speaker 2: was everything Hobby Game. Like it might not. It's gonna
• 12:37
  Speaker 2: make some headlines, but I think the appreciation is gonna
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  Speaker 2: be there. This was an everything Hobby game.
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  Speaker 1: It's it's unbelievable and it does.
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  Speaker 3: It's almost he's been so damn good lately that it
• 12:47
  Speaker 3: is a little bit like, wait, where's this dude been
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  Speaker 3: for four years?
• 12:50
  Speaker 1: You know?
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  Speaker 3: It's it's almost he's been so good it's almost getting
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  Speaker 3: a little frustrating because this is prime vintage Hobby, I mean,
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  Speaker 3: just exceptional effort. He was true thick on the podium postgame,
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  Speaker 3: Riley Green and Hobby got to sit on the podium together,
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  Speaker 3: which was kind of fitting. And Riley, even in the
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  Speaker 3: wake of a good moment and a victory, was doing
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  Speaker 3: the shtick he's been doing lately, which is pretending he
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  Speaker 3: has no thoughts or emotion, and Hobby was like, no,
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  Speaker 3: I got I got the cameras.
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  Speaker 2: You know.
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  Speaker 3: He said some good stuff. He talked about Booze not
• 13:21
  Speaker 3: bothering them. He said it bothers them more when they
• 13:23
  Speaker 3: chance his name because it makes him nervous, you know.
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  Speaker 3: And he talked sort of in Hobby's own way about
• 13:29
  Speaker 3: some of the stuff he's indoored. And I was kind
• 13:31
  Speaker 3: of sitting there like looking at Riley Green and was like,
• 13:34
  Speaker 3: I hope he is taking notes because I think the
• 13:37
  Speaker 3: criticisms the Booze have been hard on Rightley and rightfully so.
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  Speaker 3: And no one has been through more than this dude's
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  Speaker 3: sitting next to you right now, and no one has
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  Speaker 3: had to learn to handle it more than this guy
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  Speaker 3: sitting next to you right now. And look at him.
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  Speaker 3: You know he has reawakened when it matters most. He's
• 13:56
  Speaker 3: handled questions good, bad, whatever all year. If there's an
• 14:02
  Speaker 3: example for how to go through hard times in your
• 14:04
  Speaker 3: career right now, it's looking like Hobby bias. So I
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  Speaker 3: just hope Riley Green. You know, maybe that that hit
• 14:10
  Speaker 3: Riley Green a little bit in that moment. And that's
• 14:13
  Speaker 3: not to say anything bad about Riley Green. He had
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  Speaker 3: a huge swing, big time needed four hundred and fifty
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  Speaker 3: four feet. AJ said like three or four different times
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  Speaker 3: this year, like when he gets going, someone's gonna pay.
• 14:24
  Speaker 1: Well.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know if it's a hot streak or not,
• 14:26
  Speaker 3: but he had a hit and someone paid here in
• 14:29
  Speaker 3: Game four.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and and it's been pointed out on Twitter, but
• 14:35
  Speaker 2: it is, you know, it does Bay repeating here this
• 14:38
  Speaker 2: was like an All Star game for the Tigers, like
• 14:41
  Speaker 2: you like like like you know Green with the home run.
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  Speaker 2: We talked about Hobby Miz with the strong start, Labor,
• 14:48
  Speaker 2: you know, just guy, Yeah, putting it to him like Labor,
• 14:51
  Speaker 2: by the way, was like, what two for three today
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  Speaker 2: with that home run, and he is.
• 14:54
  Speaker 1: Either unrelated storylines.
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  Speaker 2: Like tied or has a sole lead. I have to
• 14:59
  Speaker 2: look get up for hits in the postseason for the Tigers.
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  Speaker 2: Right after, by the way, you had talked about how
• 15:04
  Speaker 2: he was a little bit long with the swing on
• 15:07
  Speaker 2: X and what happened.
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  Speaker 3: They stopped missing those pitches right down the middle. I mean,
• 15:12
  Speaker 3: suddenly they're like, maybe we should get some hits on
• 15:13
  Speaker 3: these babies.
• 15:14
  Speaker 1: And they did.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, And and you didn't. You didn't need anything out
• 15:18
  Speaker 2: of Carpenter today, you know what I mean? And and
• 15:21
  Speaker 2: and Keith, I thought smung the you know, I know
• 15:23
  Speaker 2: they're not all stars, but these are guys who rely
• 15:25
  Speaker 2: on I thought Keith like had some hard contact today.
• 15:27
  Speaker 1: Nothing you know, great or whatever, but like.
• 15:30
  Speaker 3: Underrated decision point was letting cold Keith hit in the
• 15:32
  Speaker 3: fifth inning where Andy Banya is or something. I understand
• 15:36
  Speaker 3: why a j did it. The Barners have a lot
• 15:38
  Speaker 3: of good righty relievers. He wanted to keep the the
• 15:41
  Speaker 3: order left handed for later in the game.
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: But giving you had, I.
• 15:44
  Speaker 3: Think a runner in scoring position, like there were two outs,
• 15:48
  Speaker 3: but it was a chance, and I thought there was
• 15:50
  Speaker 3: a real argument to hit for him there. And again
• 15:52
  Speaker 3: I understand that decision, but I just wanted to you
• 15:56
  Speaker 3: want to replay decision points that was one col Keith
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  Speaker 3: one you'd like to see get going a bit, although
• 16:02
  Speaker 3: he's coming off injuries or whatever.
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  Speaker 2: Well, you know, the thing is is that this game
• 16:07
  Speaker 2: started out with Wilson kind of having like the managerial edge.
• 16:11
  Speaker 2: And what I mean by that is just like, well, yeah,
• 16:15
  Speaker 2: because you have the lead, so you get to kind
• 16:16
  Speaker 2: of dictate the terms. You see what I'm saying, Like,
• 16:18
  Speaker 2: you know, AJ has to do the quicker starter pull
• 16:21
  Speaker 2: and then you know, blah blah blah. And but AJ
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: also was like, I know what you're trying to do
• 16:28
  Speaker 2: and get me to do, and I'm not gonna do
• 16:31
  Speaker 2: it because, like you know, and and it was kind
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: of like a faith in the guys saying again, the
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: Riley Green home run there, it is a great example.
• 16:39
  Speaker 2: And I also though, but.
• 16:41
  Speaker 3: You talk about over exposing relievers, we didn't see Andres
• 16:44
  Speaker 3: Munio's today, but they've used the heck out of Gabe
• 16:46
  Speaker 3: Spire and the Tigers finally got to and they've used
• 16:49
  Speaker 3: the heck out of Brash and then the Tigers got
• 16:51
  Speaker 3: to him a little bit, like they've seen these guys
• 16:54
  Speaker 3: in the Seattle Pin and the same thing can apply
• 16:57
  Speaker 3: for the Tigers, Finnegain whatever. But yeah, I think there's
• 17:00
  Speaker 3: been some over exposure and that played at least some
• 17:03
  Speaker 3: role in the Tigers striking a.
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: Little bit today exactly, And that brings.
• 17:07
  Speaker 3: They didn't do much off Bryce Miller, He's not very good, right.
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: That brings us to our chart Topper of the Week,
• 17:14
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• 17:22
  Speaker 2: bit about Zach McKinstry, who has, like coming into today,
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: coming into today, has been like a dude that you
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: will remember for game winning hits, but really not much else,
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: you know what I mean, almost literally not much else.
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: He hadn't he hadn't really done a whole lot, you know,
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: offensive output wise, and today he does go was it
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: three for four? He has three, he scores three runs.
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: You know, he gets picked off there in a close play.
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: But and that was one of the situations where it's like, oh,
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: could this come back to bite him? Though it didn't.
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: He has an RBI. Zach McKinstry underrated dude in terms
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: of like when this guy is going and I mean
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: kind of like literally and metaphorically, when this guy is
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: going in motion, like this team does good things. Again,
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: another All Star that we talked about, and and and
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: him and Hobby being in like a quote back of
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: the lineup can be such a huge asset to this
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: team when when they're on and I I just I
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: just today was a reminder of what the impact of
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: a Zach McKinstry is because when a rose Arena on
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: that Dingler double does not cut that ball off. Everyone
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: knows McKinstry's scoring there, you know what I mean, Like
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: like there's no doubt he's scoring there. And he's also
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: a threat to steal. He's one of the only threats
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: to steal. You know, Hobby had to steal today. Like
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: he's a guy that literally can put opposing teams on
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: their toes. So like that's that's my impression of McKinstry's impact.
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: We talked about him defensively yesterday. But like, what when
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: he goes man, the Tigers tend to go. Is that not?
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: Is that not like a factual statement.
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: I don't know if it's factual, but it sure feels right. Yeah.
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: I mean I've written it insided a million times.
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: Like talk about people who are central to the Tigers mission,
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: it's Zach McKinstry playing everywhere, running the bases, grinding out
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: at bats, slapping hits.
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: He embodies the Tigers probably more than any player.
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: And that is why I have him as my Draft
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• 19:33
  Speaker 2: to get a triple. Now, look at these odds plus
• 19:35
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• 19:41
  Speaker 2: the genesis of me choosing this was it's a Game five,
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: you know, Game seven, you know type deal.
• 19:48
  Speaker 4: Some some some weird stuff can happen, like like some
• 19:51
  Speaker 4: some weird stuff can happen, And a Zach McKinstry triple
• 19:54
  Speaker 4: to like ignite a rally to score a run feels
• 19:57
  Speaker 4: like something that's kind of like in the case.
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: Character of this team, that could happen. And what was
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: he He was tied for fourth in triples this year
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: and there if there's some sort of like, you know,
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: throw us up to the wall and see if it sticks.
• 20:12
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  Speaker 3: I do want to note worst park factor for triples, No,
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  Speaker 1: There you go, there you go.
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: That's why. That's that's why you just I gotta throw
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: chaos into it with with it being and out. It's
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: a game five, but eight game seven, you know, so, uh,
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: let's let's go. Let's circle back here. You mentioned it earlier,
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: the nailer element, the nailer signals from second base. Uh,
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: Like you're at the stadium, You're obviously you have access
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: to a TV copy, and you're you know, listening to everything,
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: and you know, blah blah blah. But I'm kind of curious,
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: like watching it in person, like how quickly did you
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: kind of pick up on that? And then just like
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: did anybody talk about it? Like what was really going
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: on there? Because the more it happened, the more I thought,
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: like was this partial gamesmanship? Was he actually like calling?
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: Because I was like tracking the pitches. I was like
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: the pitches are the same, He's given different hand signals,
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: So I don't think it's the actual, like, you know,
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: pitch grip from myze. Like, what's your interpretation of, like
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: of what Naylor was doing.
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know.
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: I didn't get to talk to Casey Mice after this one,
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: so I would I would really like his perspective. I didn't,
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: you know the first inning where he was doing with myz.
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: I didn't.
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: I didn't really see it until it had hit the internet.
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: I do know Mis has worked pretty hard to not
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: tip his pitches. We brought a big story about league
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: wide pitch shipping. I talked to Casey Mace for that story.
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: Even the camera angle that shows Naylor lifting his arm
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: gives you not that dissimilar of a look into Casey
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: Mis's glove, though I'm not convinced he was getting the
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: grips off his glove. Now it's possiblely he's picking up
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: something from Dylan Dingler, or maybe he's signaling location. It
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: did kind of see in that ball. I think it
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: was Ken' zone right, they hit for the RBI.
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: It was below the zone.
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: Did kind of if you told me he knew splitter
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: was coming, I believe it. The next inning with Holton
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: in the mound, I think Naylor was straight just messing around.
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: I mean, he was just I didn't see any real correlation.
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: I think he knew he was in the tiger's head
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: a little bit and continued to play into that.
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: That's just my guess, my assumption.
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: I'm sure we'll learn a little bit more about it
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: in the next day or two here from I'm not
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: sure what Naylor said on the Seattle side.
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: There were so many other storylines to get to.
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: I think that would kind of become became lost in
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: the shuffle in the immediate aftermath. But hey, pitch tipping
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: is a huge part of the game, part of every
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: single game that goes on. There are a lot of
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: players who do stuff like this, fake it whatever. I'm
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: always surprised when players advertise so blatantly that they have
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: something like if anyone played like high school ball, like
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: we would do that at second base, but as subtle,
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: like you put your hand on your right knee or like,
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: you know, not something that's as overt.
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: So that makes me think there was some gamesmanship.
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: I think, if I had to guess, I bet it
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: was like thirty percent legit and seventy percent just fake.
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: That's yeah.
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: And and and you know even if it is fake,
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: like I, I get the warrant to do it because
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: you know, Holt back Mid's looking back like that. That
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: makes a ton of sense. And and Dingler did adjust
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: a little bit. There are clips where he set up
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: inside and then you get the hand motion and he
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: ships outside. So you know, like that that's fun. Like
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: like the the game three notwithstanding we in you know
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: today notwithstanding so like the margins are so thin. It
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: was the same amount of runs scored each team through
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: two games and you have a blowout in game three
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: and a blowout in game four, like like these things matter, man. Uh.
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: The one the one other question I had for you, Cody,
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: because we talked about it at the end of yesterday's
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: episode about like stringing together some at bats and one
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: of them was Spencer Torgelsen who had a double and
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: he had a good day at the plate today too,
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: Like we joke about this, you know, this M word
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: like momentum, like is it real or whatever? Is it?
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: You know, hitting its contagious and all that stuff. It
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: felt real today because also in addition to the Tigers
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: stringing together hits. The Mariners were feeling themselves and as
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: they should have, as was warranted in the moment. They
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: were feeling themselves early in that game, because the crowd
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: was out of it, they were able to scratch some runs.
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: The Tiger's bats had not proven the ability to do damage.
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: They were feeling themselves. And then once the Tigers seize momentum,
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: they were not able to muster much of anything. So
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: like like, they were not comfortable being uncomfortable today. That
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: is a fact we'll see about moving forward. But today
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: they were not comfortable being uncomfortable. So are those things
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: real in your mind? In a series like this where
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: the margins seems so thin?
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: Hard to say. I think it was good for the
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: Tigers to see some hits fall. I mean, they kind
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: of had it happen in Cleveland, though, and then that
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: did not carry over. You're going to face a really
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: good starting pitcher in Game five, So is there carry
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: over there? I'm not sure, but yeah, I mean I
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: think some of these guys like Riley Green just needed
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: a little dose of confidence. I think there's always some
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: element of that there. You have Church Schoubel in the mound,
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: I'm expecting a hard fought close Game five.
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know. I think either either.
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: Tigers winning a close one or Schoogle just has his
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: worst start of the season and everyone's like, we came
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: all the way to Seattle for this church.
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: School's pretty good.
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: So I well, here's the thing about school, and I
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: was going to bring this up, is that, like, you know,
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: they bring up the fact that, you know, the Mayors
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: had beaten schoobl And, and that's fair and that's factual,
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: but like to like lump in game one or seem
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: to be game two is a little bit of a
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: misnomer because, like I'll remind everybody, he went said, he
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: gave up two runs, he had two bad pitches, he
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: had nine ks. It's not like he got shelled all right,
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: like like the like they should have confidence, especially Polanco
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: should have who by the way, I want, I want
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: this is a note that I meant to get to
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: Julio Rodriguez, oh for four to two k's cal Roley
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: won for three one K. Polanco oh for four to
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: three K. So that's you know, talk about the difference
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: right there, that core right there not doing anything that
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: was a big deal. Uh, but you know, Schoobol was
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: effing good in game two, so let's not forget that
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: element either, like like he should, he should feel confident
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: even more so than I'm sure he does just in
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: general going into game five. So anyway, let's end with this.
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: The vibes around the team, the vibes around you know,
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: schoobl who was at the podium too, like like, what
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: what are you like? What are you gathering after this
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: kind of emotional comfort behind when the season survives and
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: now we got schoobl This is the first, this is
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: the first that that we've experienced, like you know, doing
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: this podcast together.
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: I mean, it's go time. I mean, I think the
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: vibe is it's got time. This is what you play for.
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: You got yourself back to game five. You're ace from
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: the mound, the exact position you were in and the
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: alds last year. So there's a little bit of repeat
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: poetry there. There's an element of being glad you won
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: this game. I think it was an emotional game, a
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: game that wasn't one with the numbers or the matchups
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: like we talked about earlier, is one with a little
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: bit of raw human emotion and just winning the competition,
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: winning in the strike zone, hitting the ball when it's
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: down the middle.
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: That's what won the Tigers this game.
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: I think that felt really good, But I think the
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: real vibe is like, all right, let's get to Seattle,
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: let's do this.
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: It's showtime.
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And today today was the ultimate example of like
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: all those like little things that we like hear and
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: then it happens and then you're like, yeah, I get
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: it now. It's like one when the pitch, when the
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: at bat, you know, like blah blah blahlah blah, and
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: it's like, all right, well, you know the method worked
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: out today. And I think in a game five, the
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: methods like obviously there's gonna be a lot of strategy
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: matchups blah blah blah, the manager is gonna be going
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: back and forth big chessboard, but like make your pitch
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: or hit your pitch. That's what game five, Game seven,
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: that's what it's all about. Man, Like today was special.
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: I don't want to I don't want this.
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: To gonna be lost.
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: Today was a special thing to watch, like like postseason
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: stories and you know, things that live on, like this
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: is gonna be a game that'll be remembered for a
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: long time, and the way to get it remembered even
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: longer is if you win on Friday. Like, this was
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: a fun environment. I had a lot of fun watching it,
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: the emotional rollercoaster of it all, and and and I
• 29:52
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• 29:54
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• 30:12
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• 30:17
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• 30:20
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• 30:23
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• 30:25
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