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A Chat with Pacific Atrocities Education Jenny Chan · Asian Adjacent

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  Speaker 1: I am so excited. Peeps, a lot of these everybody
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  Speaker 1: out there who watch the show or listen to it.
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  Speaker 1: This is Asian adjacent. Of course, I'm James Laugingior, who's
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  Speaker 1: the adjacent. Here's what fun. So we're starting a new
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  Speaker 1: segment once a month made right now is once a
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  Speaker 1: month where we partnered with specific atrocities dot org. Oh yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that sounds exciting, right but no, but here it is.
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  Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about some of the things that have
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  Speaker 1: happened to Asian Asian Americans, pacifica Islander Americans, pacifica just
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  Speaker 1: the whole shebang. There are parts of history nobody's talking about,
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  Speaker 1: and it's happened. It's out there, and this show, we're
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  Speaker 1: a well rounded show. We talked about fun stuff, silly things,
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  Speaker 1: but also real serious stuff that's happened. Also that as
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  Speaker 1: you guys know, I was raised in an Asian family,
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  Speaker 1: so I affected them directly. Some of the stiff that
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  Speaker 1: we're gonna we're gonna talk about in the future months
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  Speaker 1: that affected members of my family and hers. So we're
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  Speaker 1: going to about all of that, and so I'm so excited.
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  Speaker 1: We hit it off camera, and we hit it off
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  Speaker 1: I was so happy to have her do this, this
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  Speaker 1: this thing with us. She's the part were gonna find
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  Speaker 1: out more about her. We p Atrocities is a great website.
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  Speaker 1: Underneath the description you'll see where to go to check
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  Speaker 1: that out, and it's.
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  Speaker 2: Also for having. I was so excited when you responded
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  Speaker 2: to my email.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't.
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  Speaker 2: I have watched some of your videos, but I had
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  Speaker 2: no idea that your actual Jason adjacent. So when you responded,
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  Speaker 2: I was so excited. I was like, Wow, that's why
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  Speaker 2: this dude is uploading videos NonStop, because you're a hard
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  Speaker 2: working Asian.
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  Speaker 1: I am Jenny Jenny Jane Champ folks. I am as
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  Speaker 1: I said, I grew up with the Tiger Mom. I
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  Speaker 1: mean like, it's not it's not you know to make
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  Speaker 1: jokes about it, but it's just really the work ethic
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  Speaker 1: I really say, I got from my Asian family, and
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  Speaker 1: I seriously got it from them.
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  Speaker 2: And and re mind me. How many videos do you
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  Speaker 2: upload like per week nowadays? Oh?
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  Speaker 1: This good question. Okay, so yesterday we did about six.
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  Speaker 1: Today was three, So I would say about twenty videos
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  Speaker 1: a week. It could be more, could be less, depending
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  Speaker 1: on the week.
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  Speaker 2: Wow, you have us be our channel specific front. I'm
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  Speaker 2: told I think we are only releasing three four videos
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  Speaker 2: a week, and but then our shorts words at So
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  Speaker 2: now we're uploading like twenty one shorts a week.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's work. Thoughts are you sure? Thoughts on yeah
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  Speaker 1: those two yet. But I'm not as good as you are.
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  Speaker 1: I all say, I put out maybe four or five,
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  Speaker 1: so I should do more. They do very well, and
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  Speaker 1: I put them out to do very well. But I
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  Speaker 1: only do four or five at a time. But I'm
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  Speaker 1: also posting on TikTok and I'm also posting on Instagram
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  Speaker 1: and Facebook.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you're like super active on Instagram. I've been seeing
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  Speaker 2: your stuff on like yeah, so yeah, thank you for
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  Speaker 2: having us my.
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  Speaker 1: Pleasure, Jenny, so so folks, she reached out to me.
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  Speaker 1: I went to her website. I was like, oh my goodness,
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  Speaker 1: I love getting emails. Sometimes you never know what you're
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  Speaker 1: gonna get. It's a small world. And so Jenny, let's
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  Speaker 1: talk about your your website, Civic Atrocities or what is
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  Speaker 1: what is the website?
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  Speaker 2: So thank you again for having me. We this is
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  Speaker 2: a nonprofit is a five O one C three and
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  Speaker 2: Pacific Atrocities Education and what we focus on this researching
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  Speaker 2: about World War two in Asia. When my grandma passed away,
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  Speaker 2: I realized that there was like a whole side of
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  Speaker 2: her that I didn't know. I just thought. And when
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  Speaker 2: I was a kid, she threw away like my whole
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  Speaker 2: top of l Jewers of manga because she told me
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  Speaker 2: that the Japanese people were evil and blah blah blah,
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  Speaker 2: and she's like stingy and like down to earth and
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  Speaker 2: she so if for her to throw away some stuff,
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  Speaker 2: you know, that is serious, it's serious. Whenever I watched anime,
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  Speaker 2: she was like really against watching anime because she believed that,
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  Speaker 2: Like she was telling me at one point that these
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  Speaker 2: turnip heads that's the name that she had for the
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  Speaker 2: Japanese people, these these turnip heads are evil. And I
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  Speaker 2: had no idea why she was saying all that, because I,
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  Speaker 2: you know, I was like, wow, maybe grandma's just racist,
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  Speaker 2: and like she didn't understand well that this was like
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  Speaker 2: really cool. I was watching like the Raimona had like
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  Speaker 2: a whole collection of detective colon of like all these
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  Speaker 2: anime stuff, and she was just really against it. And
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  Speaker 2: after she passed away, and we found like a whole
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  Speaker 2: box of like military yen and like rice rationing coupons
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  Speaker 2: and whatnot. And little did I realize that like her family.
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  Speaker 2: She told us that she her family had to spend
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  Speaker 2: like trade in all of their money onto like these
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  Speaker 2: military YenS that like uh, that became like nothing after
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  Speaker 2: the war and after everything that she went through, Like
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  Speaker 2: you can tell that, like she had no smile. She's
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  Speaker 2: always like stingy, she's like scrappy, and so she's been
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  Speaker 2: through a lot. And after she passed away, I was
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  Speaker 2: reading and at the time I read the Rape of Nanking,
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  Speaker 2: and that was like the only best selling book and
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  Speaker 2: relevant to mainstream medium of what had happened in Asia.
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  Speaker 2: But then when I looked more into it, Rape of
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  Speaker 2: Nanking had three hundred thousand people who perished in like
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  Speaker 2: the matter of six weeks. But if you think about
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  Speaker 2: it and the course of the whole war, thirty million
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  Speaker 2: people die. So even the Rape of Nanking, as horrific
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  Speaker 2: as it was, it was really just a tip of
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  Speaker 2: the iceberg. And so I thought, wow, you know, there
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  Speaker 2: really needs to be more that needs to be told
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  Speaker 2: and researched. And then I started reading like John Toland's
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  Speaker 2: Through the Rising Sun. But there's more there's like. And
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  Speaker 2: then I found out about that factory, which is a
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  Speaker 2: book about UNI seventy three one which will cover next episode.
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  Speaker 2: And it was just a horrific thing that had happened
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  Speaker 2: in Asia, in China and even Korea. Korea was occupied
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  Speaker 2: by Japan since nineteen oh five, and not a whole
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  Speaker 2: lot of people realized that Teddy Roosevelt was the reason
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  Speaker 2: why Korea was occupied. Teddy Roosevelt basically handed career to Japan.
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  Speaker 2: And today you still see a lot of like for example,
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  Speaker 2: in South Korea, they protest the Japanese every Wednesday in
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  Speaker 2: front of the Japanese embassy. So you see all this
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  Speaker 2: historical trauma and all these unresolved conflicts that is still
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  Speaker 2: happening today. And so that's why I thought we need
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  Speaker 2: to start this nonprofit. And I was looking around. I
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  Speaker 2: was thinking, like, oh, maybe there's a non and out
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  Speaker 2: there that I can already work for and like do
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  Speaker 2: research for and whatnot. And I couldn't find anything. So
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  Speaker 2: I went to the Hoover Institute where I was chaining
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  Speaker 2: actually donated all of her research from her like her
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  Speaker 2: life and and yeah, it's just and then went through
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  Speaker 2: all her stuff and then I thought, well, there's more.
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  Speaker 2: So after I read the Death Factory, I realized that
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  Speaker 2: they were like declassifying a lot of the items related
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  Speaker 2: to Unit seventy three one as well as like Asia,
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  Speaker 2: Pacific and World War two. So then I went ahead
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  Speaker 2: and digitized like a million pages from the collection. Like
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  Speaker 2: every single time I would go through something, I'm like,
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  Speaker 2: oh my gosh, I have more questions about this topic
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  Speaker 2: and that topic. And then that just went on and
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  Speaker 2: on and yeah, it's now we have over a million
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  Speaker 2: pages on our website. So anyone can go on to
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  Speaker 2: Pacific Troscities dot Oregon check out our website.
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  Speaker 1: And now you got me thinking, if I went across
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  Speaker 1: any here in LA that's related to World War iiO
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  Speaker 1: of Korea, I gotta I gotta go. I gotta go
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  Speaker 1: and see what they have, like, you know, seriously, and
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  Speaker 1: see what they have that was unearthed recently. You know,
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  Speaker 1: there's so many people. And the reason why she like
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  Speaker 1: connected is I said, my my Asian grandparents were in
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  Speaker 1: tourment camps. They were here, they were they were locked
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  Speaker 1: up to get out their homes stripped or whatever and
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  Speaker 1: were locked up. And I come from a Japanese Chinese family.
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  Speaker 1: So it's really weird because when they got married the seventies,
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  Speaker 1: it was not a good thing. It was like a
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  Speaker 1: chad Japanese fire American Chinese like that is not They
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  Speaker 1: were married till she my my mom passed her a
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  Speaker 1: few years ago to cancer. But they were married to
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  Speaker 1: the end. They were they were high schools, three yards.
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  Speaker 1: They were married to the end. But they defied the odds.
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  Speaker 1: But that wasn't I remember that because a kid being
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  Speaker 1: you know, being excided. Family had their own thoughts about
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  Speaker 1: it or harbor when I was a kid, and.
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  Speaker 2: Then how did how did their in laws interact?
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  Speaker 1: So what's funny is as a kid, after they were
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  Speaker 1: married for at least I would sayt least bbly ten
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  Speaker 1: fifteen years at that point, everybody was fine. But they
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  Speaker 1: didn't mix that much back then. If there was, if
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  Speaker 1: there was a Christmas, it was very much you go
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  Speaker 1: to her family's house on this day, his family's house
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  Speaker 1: on that day. I remember that as a kid, I
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  Speaker 1: remember that. Is that crazy? I remember just like they
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  Speaker 1: didn't really kind of it was just like some did
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  Speaker 1: and within some are very Americans and they didn't care.
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  Speaker 1: But the ones who are traditional This was very much
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  Speaker 1: like we'll see you Christmas Eve, We'll see you Christmas Day. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: see you the Friday before Christmas, like it was. It
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  Speaker 1: was very They didn't not the same house. Oh no,
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  Speaker 1: no it was. And I remember the wedding because I
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  Speaker 1: was the ring bearer. I remember it was her side,
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  Speaker 1: family over here, family over here. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So actually, tell us how you have it. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: I'm sorry, it's too personal. Tell us how you have
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  Speaker 2: a Chinese mom and then Japanese dad.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, it is good. And I haven't told this whole
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  Speaker 1: story yet on this show, so I'm glad I can
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  Speaker 1: tell it now. So it's not me by long. So
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  Speaker 1: my actual biological parents went to school with my bonus parents.
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  Speaker 1: My bonus parents, they were all in high school together
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  Speaker 1: here in Los Angeles, went to Mainlar's High School back
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  Speaker 1: in the sixties, and they all became friends. And my
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  Speaker 1: parents married, my boxing parents and my bonus parents married.
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  Speaker 1: So but first before he got married, they made them
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  Speaker 1: my godparents when I was born, and they had no
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  Speaker 1: kids or anything yet because they had been married anything
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  Speaker 1: you do that back then. And so but my father
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  Speaker 1: works very hard as working all the time, so it
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  Speaker 1: ends meet my mom, so they left me with them
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  Speaker 1: most of the time, and I was just told, these
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  Speaker 1: are your other parents, so I called them mom and dad.
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  Speaker 1: It was Mom Wendy and Dad My my My. My
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  Speaker 1: other dad's name was Shighetu kin Haikawa and he was
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  Speaker 1: he was in the Navy. And my mom, Wendy, she
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  Speaker 1: was and she used she was the Chinese half. And
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  Speaker 1: they based it literally from birth until she died. That
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  Speaker 1: was my mother and that family was my family, the
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  Speaker 1: whole aunt so let but it was basically was friends
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  Speaker 1: best friends came together and literally the village raised me.
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  Speaker 1: So I had two sets of parents that raised me.
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  Speaker 1: There were times I stayed at their house. I was
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  Speaker 1: with them multiple times. We all did the same neighborhood,
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  Speaker 1: so I went to the schools, after school programs with them.
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  Speaker 1: My Auntianna was just my when they said my mom
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  Speaker 1: when he sister, they and the joke was because they
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  Speaker 1: grew up in the hood in LA they sounded blacker
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  Speaker 1: than my parents. So I never forget. I'll never forget. Jenny.
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  Speaker 1: I was living in San Francisco, living in living in
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  Speaker 1: the Castro. My roommates were and we had voicemail back then,
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  Speaker 1: and they were when she first started to recall, he
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  Speaker 1: goes this mom and blah blah blah, and they're like,
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  Speaker 1: wait a minute, So that's the Asian one because she
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  Speaker 1: sounds blacker than you're a black mom. But I know
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  Speaker 1: she grew up in the hood my Auntianna, you had
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  Speaker 1: thought she was black. They could comb my hair and
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  Speaker 1: they worked to them and she was a teacher in
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  Speaker 1: the neighborhood. So that's how I guess how I gained
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  Speaker 1: my Asian parents. So I tell people, you know, and
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  Speaker 1: now I have I just actually talk to my brother
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  Speaker 1: this morning, Colin, I have. I have Asian siblings. And
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  Speaker 1: but then also in my Boscal family, my grandmother's sister
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  Speaker 1: married Filipino, so it's also a half Filipino side. I
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  Speaker 1: love them. They're in Seattle. And then one of my
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  Speaker 1: daughters married a man who was half Filipino, half black.
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  Speaker 1: So my grandkids are Filipino. They live Filipinos, very Filipino,
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  Speaker 1: and there's so philip kids are so beautiful. So I
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  Speaker 1: so I just we had and I just have some Asian.
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  Speaker 2: So like people Americans do understand that Americans actually have
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  Speaker 2: like a long history with the Philippines, and we've been
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  Speaker 2: there since like the late eighteen hundreds because of Teddy Roosevelt.
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  Speaker 2: And the whole reason why Asia was involved with America
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  Speaker 2: was because like a century ago, Teddy Roosevelt, who also
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  Speaker 2: gave Korea to Japan, was interested in the Pacific because
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  Speaker 2: he wanted to make trade deals with China. And so
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  Speaker 2: it's just a whole lot of history that was waiting
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  Speaker 2: to be explored. And for example, in the Philippines, they
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  Speaker 2: they really wanted to fight the Spanish to get the
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  Speaker 2: Spanish out of the Philippines. And it's so fascinating. How
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  Speaker 2: like then Teddy Roosevelt brought in anthropologist and like Smithsonian
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  Speaker 2: like scientists to say that the Filipinos are subhumans. So
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  Speaker 2: then it gave Americans a reason to invade the Philippines.
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  Speaker 2: And he did that. He put the Philippine He put
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  Speaker 2: the Filipino people on display in like world zoo in
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  Speaker 2: like in like in the in World Exposed human zoo.
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  Speaker 2: Just to just to say, just to justify his reason
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  Speaker 2: of getting involved in the Philippines.
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  Speaker 1: Well, you know, our our involvement in the Pacific is messy. Wow, Hawaii, Philippines,
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  Speaker 1: other are there's other islands there too, martialized and a
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  Speaker 1: bunch of a bunch of islands that we may Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: we're Taro. There are territs from our territories. Some of
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  Speaker 1: them are adjacent to us. But there's a lot of
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  Speaker 1: messy history that people just don't even know about it.
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  Speaker 1: I love Lampia. That's why they don't. They don't know
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  Speaker 1: there's a whole you know, the food, but they don't
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  Speaker 1: know there's a whole culture. And also the ones from
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  Speaker 1: the island versus the Winds theory here. I had deal
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  Speaker 1: with that in San Francisco especially, we went to Daily
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  Speaker 1: City and Sarah montin all that, there was a lot
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  Speaker 1: of that who's a real Filipino and it's a lot
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  Speaker 1: of stuff. And in Hawaii and I learned about the
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  Speaker 1: Japanese and China, and I learned about all that, and
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  Speaker 1: I had no idea. So I got that, Yeah, that's
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  Speaker 1: what we're were talling on this on this show as
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  Speaker 1: a show progress is we're gonna share all that with
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  Speaker 1: you guys, because it's just I had no idea. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: Historks the same thing.
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  Speaker 2: And Hawaii isn't also an interesting thing. When the US
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  Speaker 2: got involved in Hawaii, they had dole plantation, and then
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  Speaker 2: they brought all these Asian people to go work complaint
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  Speaker 2: the plantation. And that's why there is a whole lot
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  Speaker 2: of Asian people in Hawaii and not a lot of
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  Speaker 2: people know about that.
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  Speaker 1: I found out when I got there. I found out
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  Speaker 1: I didn't know either who identified their Asian There are
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  Speaker 1: the Hawaiians and these are these are they identify if
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  Speaker 1: the Japanese or whatever it is. And I remember it
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  Speaker 1: was the c and H also plantation, doll is a
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  Speaker 1: seven several out there, well shotcane fields are out there.
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  Speaker 1: There's all kinds of some kids you have no idea
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  Speaker 1: you seriously, some may know out there if you're watching,
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  Speaker 1: but not people like I didn't know the extent. And
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  Speaker 1: so we're going to explore that as we have our
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  Speaker 1: partnership and just kind of share with you guys some
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  Speaker 1: of these stories that are just now we're not talking
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  Speaker 1: we're talking recent history within the last hundred years, one
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  Speaker 1: hundred and fifty years, two hundred years. It's not a
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  Speaker 1: long time ago. I mean, it is what it is,
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  Speaker 1: is what it isn't. We're talking several journations that we
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  Speaker 1: know back right there, you know they were still here.
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  Speaker 1: You could talk about it, you know kind of thing.
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  Speaker 1: So I think it's well for you. Now, how did
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  Speaker 1: you get so passionate about it? Like you you feel
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  Speaker 1: like you found your.
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  Speaker 2: Calling Because when I was trying to look out there
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  Speaker 2: for like jobs are related to this kind of historical job,
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  Speaker 2: there's just nothing out there, and not even in like
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  Speaker 2: I was like, Okay, maybe I can like look for
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  Speaker 2: a job. Maybe even in China, there were like certain
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  Speaker 2: like museums that are like related to one incident, but
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  Speaker 2: they don't say that it's like all connected, right, Like
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  Speaker 2: I don't want to spend my whole life researching like
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  Speaker 2: Unit seventy three one or like the rape of Nanking, like,
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  Speaker 2: but they're also in connected. And I think that's the
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  Speaker 2: beautiful thing about being an American is that we can
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  Speaker 2: see it as an intellected continuous thing in history. And
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  Speaker 2: how like America's like really involved in the Pacific. And
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  Speaker 2: that's why I got really passionate about you know, Pacific atrocities,
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  Speaker 2: because these are really real atrocities too, and even today
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  Speaker 2: you can see like Google keeps like hiding like these
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  Speaker 2: images and it's so yeah, and it's so fascinating because
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  Speaker 2: like I think a couple of years ago. I don't
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  Speaker 2: know if you know about this, but waterboarding really started
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  Speaker 2: with America's involvement in the Philippines. And so like even
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  Speaker 2: a couple of years ago, you can still like maybe
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  Speaker 2: find some waterboarding photos in the Philippines of these like atrocities,
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  Speaker 2: but like nowadays, it's all when you're try to find it,
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  Speaker 2: you have to go through like certain steps and then
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  Speaker 2: you go to an archive and then you can find it.
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  Speaker 2: So it's just a lot of stories to be told.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, there is, and a lot of folks who are
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  Speaker 1: here are kind of gone now that would tell it.
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  Speaker 1: But I said, she's finding stuff. Now I'm looking to
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  Speaker 1: kind of like what can I see what's out there,
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  Speaker 1: because I mean, especially live living in la we have
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  Speaker 1: several large Asian communities here and so it's kind of
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: koreantaln is huge Obos, but we have Chinatown, we have
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: Japantown or Tokyo, and I'm just curious and they have
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: events all the time. So now she got my antenna upplaying,
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: let me see what's going on there because I might
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: because it might be something that we haven't heard before
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: that they're finally talking about. So we'll we report that
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: on this show too. Make sure I reports it to
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: her and you guys on this show. You guys have
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: to know anything going on out there, please let us know.
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: We just let us know. I mean, we can't catch everything.
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: I mean, I'm just really curious what we want to
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: We want to tell full, well rounded stories to you
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: guys about what has happened. If we're not careful to
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: repeat itself, it's not you know, there's for years ago
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  Speaker 1: as an Asian hate thing. It was happy for years ago.
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  Speaker 1: I was just like, where did that come? Like it's
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: like all of a sudden, like every race got their
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: chance against the last five years, like and then it
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: became it was you guys. Was it was next to
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  Speaker 1: like what's going on?
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  Speaker 2: You know, it's crazy. And also if you look into
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: history too, we have the Chinese Exclusionary Act of eighteen
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  Speaker 2: eighty two and right, and that's also very interesting in
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: terms of like World War two, right after Pearl Harbor happened,
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  Speaker 2: suddenly America, who's excluded China Chinese people for like the
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: last you know, almost sixty years there Now their favorite
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  Speaker 2: ally is China, right, right, And so it's just like
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: politics itself is a very nasty thing. And people can
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: use political thing or like they cherry pick certain historical
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  Speaker 2: events and then they want to cherry pick and then
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: they want to then make their own like political reason.
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: But that's why history is so important. And that's why
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: I'm so excited for you our audience to connect with
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: like modern history and to talk about when that happened
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  Speaker 2: in the last hundred years. So I'm so excited for
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  Speaker 2: our partnership in twenty twenty six. I think it's going
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: to be exciting.
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  Speaker 1: It will be. And and other folks who you know
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: from northern California didn't realize, you know, who built the
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: railroads mostly oh yeah, and so just look around who
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: did it? Basically, I'm like people understand there are a
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: lot of Chinese that were brought to work to build,
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: to actually build their horrible conditions to build these railroads.
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: Come out west, and they don't And once the pictures
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: are taken, then they like were removing the Chinese people
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: who were like putting in the last bike. Then they
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: took them out of the pictures. They're like, okay, you
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: don't need to be in the photos. And because Chinese
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: people were also working at a lower way age and
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: so then that's why they needed to be excluded. And
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: so you can see history kind of repeating itself today.
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  Speaker 2: So yes, it's just interesting why we need to learn history.
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  Speaker 1: And yeah, I had friends like why is Chinese people
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: hear why is the big China town. I'm like, it's
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: a whole reason. You don't you really don't know, like
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: you know, you just don't know why they got here,
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: but some reasons because there's also ports, there's that direction.
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: But like they were here, they were brought here and
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: they were Yeah, they were working, that's why.
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  Speaker 2: And it's interesting because the eastern part of the railroad
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: right the the white labors were like, oh, we got it.
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: We understand how this works because it's like easy, you
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: don't have mountains, you don't have to build dams. It's easy, simple, But.
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: They have to start.
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: Taking out tunnels once they had to start getting out
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: like you know, tracks that would actually connect in the middle.
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: That that's when they were having trouble. When they faced
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: the Nevada Mountains. That's when they were like, oh, we
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: don't know what to do. And because they have Chinese
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: people have built that in China before they knew exactly
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  Speaker 2: what to do and so that that was like their
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: area of expertise per se.
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: It was, and that's I mean, that's just it's you're
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: making angry folks when you hear some of these stories.
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: I hope you do, and you may feel something. I
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: hope you do, because I know I do when I
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: hear stories like this. We talk about them, and I
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: just it just I was asked to the show because
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: they say you have such a you a background and
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: this also, but I was like, we want to bring
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: attention to things and highlight and spotlight stuff that's not
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: talked about. And I and I just I love talking
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: about stuff that I've talked about because now it's talked about.
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: I was like, you know what I mean. Now it's
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: like it's not only shadows, it's not swept under the rug,
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: it's not erased. There's a lot of history it's been
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: erased in the mainstream that we're like, nope, we're we're
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: excavating it. We're not, Nope, it's not it's not gonna
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: be it's not gonna be erased anymore. And what a
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: little part I could do in that, I'm happy to do.
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: I mean, And what Jenny's do does great work. And
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: she said pains. She has hundreds of photos and things
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: she has Painstanly put this stuff together. So I really
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: want you guys to go to Pacific Specific Atrocities dot
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: or I'll put it underneath the thing. Will just go there,
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: see what she's doing, so you're familiar, follow her, subscribe
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: all that YouTube, all this stuff so you and I'll
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: put all underneath the description so you can know what
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: she's talking about. And so when you come to watch us,
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: you know, okay, get me ready, you'll be like, Okay,
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: I'm ready to watch it. It talking about yeah, because this
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: is truly truly a partnership. But I'm just so happy
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: about that. And I just I love I love partnerships
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: so and I love getting back to my Asian community. Also.
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: I have a huge following in the Insurance Asian community
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: here in LA and stuff with them all the time.
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: We do a lot of we do a lot of
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: shows and events and things, and I just to me,
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: it's just it's it's it's it's all you know. It's
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: it's it's world history, it's world it's world population. We're
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: all here together. We don't want things to repeat themselves.
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: That's kind of the you know what, pasts become prolonged
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: as they say you wanted to be, you wanted to
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: stay in the past, and I with the same mistakes
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: again and also on of those people. These are these
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: are your ancestors, of my ancestors. These are people's ancestors
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: who whip through things that I can't even imagine, and
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: I want to make sure their voices are heard too.
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: I know Jenny feels the same way. Yes, do. So
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: that's our first episode together and like I said, next
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: month you have a good show for you. To make
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: sure you follow this and follow her at the same time,
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: so you'll know exactly what we're talking about when we're
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: on the whole situation. We have some great topics coming
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: up next year. But so let's you say it out
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: loud again, Jenny. Where can they follow you at all?
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: Pacific Autroscity, Yes, our website is Pacific Atrocities dot org
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: and we also do podcasts Pacific Front Untold on YouTube.
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: And James Bradley, who wrote The Flags of Our Fathers,
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: the China Mirage, the Imperial Cruise, Precious Freedom. He's also
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: on our podcast twice a month to talk about you
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: know modern history and basically Pacific atrocities and how America
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: has been involved in the Pacific in the last hundred years.
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: As kids, it has. Thank you, miss Jenny. So we'll
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: see you next month forks and folks out there as
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: Jason's on all the streaming service platforms from iHeartRadio, Spotify, Apple,
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• 26:01
  Speaker 1: j Media, James Log. We're on there. We're there for
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: you guys. You have a playlist, you just hit the playlist.
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: You'll see all the stuff on there. They have a
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: cond of episodes, they said again, from silly to my
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: favorite Chinese food. Always serious, we do. We're covering it
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: all on this show. My favorite in New York. That's
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: another story, everybody. We'll talk to you guys next time.
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: Bye, I thank you,