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Are basketball sneakers the biggest reason for Achilles injuries? · NY's Sports Loud Mouth (VIDEO)

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On the Pat McAfee show, Tyrese Halberton opened up about his
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Achilles injury, his first public statement since his
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injury. He said that the injury felt
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like he got kicked by a ball in the back of his leg and and he
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knew it was a torn the moment he fell down.
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He added that he tried to replicate Kobe Bryant's
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unbelievable game where he shot free throws after tearing his
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Achilles but knew that he couldn't.
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He added that the injury didn't come as a result of the
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workload. Just saying it was a bad lucky
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break. He also doesn't blame the fact
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that the season was too long or players are playing too many
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minutes per game. Hal Burton visited Kevin Durant
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after his Achilles surgery and KD jokingly said he was sick of
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being known as the Achilles Achilles guy after both Jason
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Tatum and Damian Lillard visited him to The Pacers confirm that
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Halliburton has no chance of playing in 2025 NBA season.
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Even if they are, even if they go to the playoffs.
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You know, it's funny because we talk about these Achilles tears
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and we see it going on right now in the NFL.
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And I've asked many different X players or even coaches that
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have come on this show or even offset.
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I've spoken, you know, on social media and, and got into a
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conversation. Or what do you think is the
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reason why these Achilles injuries are happening?
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And in football, a lot of people are saying it's the turf, it's
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the the cleats that they're using, being that they're much
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deeper cleats. And depending on the position
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and that weight and the athletic ability some of these guys have,
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it's been more often than then that there's been Achilles after
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Achilles after Achilles injury in the NFL.
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When you talk about the NBA, there were a few ones over the
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years that really came to me. And I'll I'll give you the ones
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that really stuck out to me. First it was Kobe Bryant.
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Kobe Bryant, when he tore his Achilles and he was in his mid
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30s. This guy was at the tail end of
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his career when he tore his Achilles.
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He was never the same player. He never was.
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And if you watch the Kobe Bryant documentary that's been on
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Showtime plenty of times before he passed away, it was a very
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interesting documentary because at the time that he tore his
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Achilles, he had the camera following him and he he, he
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couldn't believe how much work he had to put in to getting back
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on an NBA court. And he was never the same.
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The other one that really stuck out to me over the years was
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Klay Thompson. Klay Thompson, remember, he tore
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his ACL, if I'm not mistaken first, and then he tore his
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Achilles. And as soon as he when you get
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when you tear your ACL, you usually can come back at full
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strength. We've seen it, we've seen
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Peterson do it, we've seen NBA players do it.
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I've seen it plenty of times that people from a torn ACL has
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come back. When you tear your Achilles,
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your Achilles where you're jumping and doing all those
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things on a basketball court that not normal people could do,
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the chances you coming back and being the same player is slim to
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none. So we go and we we can argue
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these points about what Tyrese Halliburton saying he's trying
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to figure it out. The NBA is trying to figure out
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how they can clean it up. And Adam Silver and the LJA is
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sitting with their their captains.
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As we all know, LeBron James is the lead general.
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And then you have Carmelo Anthony, who's no part, no more
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part of the the NBA, but he's there.
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The LJ. Chris Paul, Dwyane Wade, all
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those guys they're they're sitting there talking to the LJA
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and making decisions for the NBA.
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As we all know, Dwyane Wade is a a co-owner or peace owner over
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there Utah, I think Chris. Paul's now the leader of the NF
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NBA players. And now you have Carmelo Anthony
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coming out and saying he wants to own a team in the future,
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too. What's next, ladies and
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gentlemen? You could buy the Knicks from
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James Dolan. Enough said.
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The fact here is Tyrese Halliburton is one of the best
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young point guards in the NBA. Lengthy, talented, gifted
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athlete, tore his Achilles. He's in his like early 20s and
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you're tearing your Achilles early that so you question why
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is this happening to young guys? That's what these guys haven't
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played as long as like Luca or in Lukas been in a league for
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five years, but not even him, Yokich or any or the Greek Freak
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at Yannis, anyone of these guys that are in their 30s now.
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And you wonder, hey, who and what and how are we going to
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blame this story on something where the LJ can figure out how
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they can clean up this mess? There is no way to clean up this
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mess because I have the reason I told Fish my opinion on why I
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think the NBA needs to look not at the league as it's 82 games
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or the coach is playing them too long of minutes as we know
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Thibodeau did for the New York Knicks or any excuse to say that
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it it doesn't make sense. Here's the sense here I own and
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hold on. I want to show you guys
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something. I'm a sneaker collector, OK,
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This is a sneaker. You see it right over here.
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This is a this is an air. This is an air Max.
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Very known, very nice, very nice color.
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I've got 300 sneakers. I threw it on the ground.
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I got 300 sneakers in my studio set up to show when people come
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to the studio. And I, I, I look at these
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sneakers because I'm a sneaker head.
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That's what they call us. They call us sneaker heads.
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These NBA players, they're sneaker heads too.
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These hip hop artists are sneaker heads too.
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When I look at a sneaker from the 90s and I, I should have
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brought one because I have it over there.
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I, I have the Charles Barkley's OK and Charles Barkley had a
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very common popular basketball Nike shoe in the 90s and he wore
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it and a lot of people went out there and bought I want, you
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know, they're crying with their mommy.
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Give me a Michael Gowdy. I want to my guy Dennis Rodman.
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I got him angry. But you know, all these idiots,
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they're out there screaming Bah, Bah, Bah, Bah Bah Christmas
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time, Thanksgiving or back to school.
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Daddy and mommy, I want my 2 Jordans for the year.
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We all know this. You look at the sneaker now and
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you look at the sneaker then the sneakers then were built to fit
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every foot. That's what they were.
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I mean, they made these sneakers, they didn't mimic
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these guys feets. They they're not using
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scientific, scientific padding and and trying to calculate what
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weight fits better on this guy's foot than that guy's foot or
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that woman's foot. No, it's not like that.
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What they do now is they custom make the shoe.
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They make it even cheaper than they did in those days because
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they're really. And when did basketball shoes
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become in low tops? I don't.
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Remember, I'm going to explain something to you.
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I'm going to give you, I'm going to give you my theory here and
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I'm going to teach you a little bit about sneakers that some
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people, if you're not a sneaker head, you wouldn't even know
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when you buy sneakers. Now you're buying, you're buying
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a Yanis sneaker because you want to play basketball and you want
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to use this sneaker. Yanis wears it.
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I want to wear it right. You go out and buy a Yanis shoe
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right now, the the pressure that it has on your ankles, you can't
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wear it. It it, it puts too much
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pressure. And guess what?
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It's lighter. It's a lighter sneaker, so it's
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not heavy. So here's here, here's what
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happens when you have a lighter sneaker.
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You roll your ankles or you tear your Achilles because there's
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more pressure on the part of your ankle to the the top of
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your Achilles then the sneakers that were made in the 90s when
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it was more built for the, the flat part of your, your foot or
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they had weight and paired behind it.
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It was very well built on the, on the calf end of the shoe.
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OK, that and, and you could see it.
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I could show you right now the difference between if you had a
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if you went and bought an Anthony Hardaway sneaker.
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Penny was a very popular player for the Orlando Magic, and he
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had those air, remember a sneaker, the air on the side of
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it, OK. Like the Nike went like this.
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Like that little Nike. It had air.
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Yep, it had all different. He had all different styles.
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OK, here's the thing. I have his old sneaker and I
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have his new sneaker that they redid in the now in from from
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the 90s all the way to the 2000 twenties.
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That's that's like 30 something years.
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They're significantly different in many different ways.
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The weight, the padding on the inside, they're lighter, so it's
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more pressure on the calf end and the ankle end of the sneaker
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when you try to jump and you try to run with them.
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So what does this tell me? And I'm I'm going to give you
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guys my thought on why the Achilles are happening in the
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NBA. It's the sneaker, it's Nike,
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it's Reebok now with Shaquille O'Neal and Allen Iverson.
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It's Converse, it's Adidas. It's all these basketball
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sneakers that are coming out and they're they're buying these
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players in and asking, hey, you know, we're going to pay you
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$170 million to wear our shoe and we're going to make a shoe
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just for you. These players are now going out
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there and wearing their own shoe.
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Yes, they're made for them. Yes, they're made for them to
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show off and and obviously bring to the forefront so they can
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sell a million of them. They're wearing a shoe that was
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defined to fit them and lighter because they were wearing those
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sneakers when they were younger. The sneakers were heavier built
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better look. Hey, I got one for for you guys
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to remember. Remember Williamson?
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Oh yeah. Remember that.
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Remember him when he played this?
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Scandal. Yeah.
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Like he tried to stop and his whole soul.
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Fell. The whole soul fell off.
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Why do you think the soul fell off guys?
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Because when? Because he's not a normal sized
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human being. The sneakers, the.
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Sneakers. Sneakers were defective.
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This. No, no, that's not.
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What? Oh yeah.
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The sneakers were the sneakers are lighter now, and now these
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guys are much bigger, much faster, much more athletic.
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So when they're like stopping on a dime, you're stopping on a
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dime. You're, you have like a A270260
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pound man, athletically gifted stopping.
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What do you think is going to happen to a light shoe that
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doesn't have the right seam or it's not as tight as of a seam
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as they've made in the 90s and very well built?
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The sneakers in the 90s and the 80s are so much better than the
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sneaker now, much better. You could see the difference.
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It's because of the sneakers. I believe the NBA has a problem.
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The NBA needs to look into how Nike is building these sneakers.
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They're using these science, this science stuff that they're
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calculating with and they have these computers and the
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computers are telling. Computers can't tell you
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everything. You got to go out there and you
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got to wear the sneaker and you got to practice and, and, and
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use it numerous amount of times. How many players wear the same
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sneaker the next game? Honestly, not many.
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They give away half the time. Kobe Bryant actually, and this
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is the truth. Kobe Bryant came out and said
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that every single game, actually every single every first and
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fourth quarter. He changed his sneakers in every
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single game of his career. Think about that.
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Think about how many sneakers Kobe Bryant went through in his
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how many years of playing NBA basketball?
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Almost 20. 20 years. I bet he didn't do that his
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whole career. I bet he figured it out after
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he's. No.
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Popular enough where he could have.
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Done it he said that he wore a different sneaker in the 1st and
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4th I've seen I've seen an interview that he had and the
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guy asked him he said how many sneakers do you go by and go
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through every single year in an NBA season?
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He says, I don't know, I, I use two different sneakers in every
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single game. And he says in the first and
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fourth quarter. And he, he explained why there
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was a story on why Kobe Bryant, I don't know if it was high
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school or middle school when he was playing basketball, but he
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wears different sneakers in the first in, in, in every single
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game. So my point here is there is, I
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think there's an interesting argument and and really an
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interesting debate where the NBA has got to stop making excuses
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because of the minutes and all that other stuff.
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It's just like baseball with the UCL.
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Well, all these different scouts and all these different
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executives are trying to figure out why the UCL is tearing as
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much as it has over the years when you're not going to get a
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definite answer. Because guys like Max Scherzer
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came out and explained the scientific understanding on what
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you shouldn't be doing as a youth, as a pitcher.
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I'm just speaking the truth here.
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There's a reason there's a mathematical equation here.
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And the math here only spells one thing to me.
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It's the sneaker. It is the sneaker on the reason
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why. Let's go look at the the
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Achilles tears. What?
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What does Durant wear? What kind of sneakers does
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Durant wear? I thought he was a Nike guy.
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OK, All right. Klay Thompson, What sneaker does
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he wear? I'm pretty sure it's a Nike.
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I I'm just, I'm pretty sure. I just don't quote me on this,
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but I'm pretty sure Hal Burton, what kind of sneaker does he
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wear? He was a Nike.
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He's a Nike. OK, here comes the math here.
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If you look at the the calculations now, Kobe Bryant
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was not Nike. Adidas to *.
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He was Adidas and then he moved to Nike and where did where did
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when he tore his Achilles? What was he wearing?
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A Nike sneaker? So think about this now, I'm not
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blaming Nike and Nike. Don't kill me on this.
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I'm not trying to get sued here. I think that the NBA needs to
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start to investigate what and how they're building these
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sneakers for these players. If they expect these players to
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not miss as much time as they're going to and maybe not even be
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the same player. You're talking about two of the
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biggest stars, 3 of the biggest stars in the NBA.
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Damian Lillard, who's been a big, huge superstar player for
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forever. Jayson Tatum's one of the best
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power forwards in the NBA. He was wearing Jordans.
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I just look up the image. OK, he went down.
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And then who's the other one that that went down?
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Tyrese Halpern. You can argue he's the most
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athletically gifted point guard in the NBA.
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So think about that. And they're all with her Nike
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sneakers practically. That's scary.
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And now again, I'm not saying this is just Nike and I'm fans.
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I'm not blaming Nike and throwing Nike under the bus.
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I'm not doing that. I just think that it's the
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sneaker. It's not the court.
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The courts the same. It always is.
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What, are they putting new wax on it?
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Are you kidding me? It's not the court.
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It's not the practices. They're actually, to me, they're
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babied more than they ever have been.
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So don't blame the practices. Michael Jordan used to practice
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all day long and they're playing an NBA game, and he played a
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practice like an NBA game. Magic.
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Dealing with somebody like that, ruthless and crazy like Michael
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Jordan. Yeah, I'm just speaking the
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truth here. He'd also go play 36 holes and
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then drop 50 on. You well, that's true too.
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That's true too. And also how about this doing an
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all nighter and going gambling and winning a couple of hands
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and then going and playing in a playoff NBA game and scoring 50.
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So I I've heard stories like that with my 50.
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Five and telling everyone he had the flu?
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Yes, that's another one. Gambling in Atlantic City till
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3:00 in the morning, That was another.
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I've heard that story too. So my my facts.
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Damian Lillard was wearing Adidas.
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Yes, yeah. But I'm just saying if you look
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at the numbers, the numbers we tell you over the years, they
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have been Nike shoes more than any other shoe.
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Now again, Nike is the most popular brand.
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I know everybody's going to say, well, Nike is a popular brand.
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So the fact here is I I'm just speaking the truth here.
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How many how many college players have torn their Achilles
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in the NCAA? It's not really a young guy
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injuries. Exactly, you just gave the
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answer to my equation here. It's.
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Not, but also young college. Now they're making it for your
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foot. Yes, but you know, I mentioned
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that to. You it's like insoles, but not
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not the shoe per SE I guess. You know what the thing that I
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was saying is like for like football and at least Division
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One football, all the offensive lineman have those double leg
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braces on to prevent some kind of knee injury because they get
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rolled up on all the time. Why NBA players or college
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players even don't have custom orthotics in every single
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sneaker that they wear when they're going on to a court is
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beyond me. Why?
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The team or maybe the league is or however they should do it.
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I don't know why you wouldn't do that to protect your investment.
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It makes no sense to me. That's why that's why I think
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the LJA should be looking and investigating in these sneaker
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situations. I, I'm not saying that these
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sneakers are made to hurt these guys.
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I don't think they're purposely doing it, but the way they're
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designing these sneakers because they wanted to sell in stores
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and how and remember, they're not going to make, they want to
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make it as cheap as possible and sell it for most so they can
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make the most profits. It wasn't like that.
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In the 90s, if you look at the Air Ones and you look at the Air
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Ones that they remade in different colors, they're
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completely different sneakers. That's why the first Air Ones,
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if you have a good pair of them, they're worth like 15 grand.
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If they're in good shape, If you're born an Air One, right
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now they're not even worth 100. OK.
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And I probably would imagine there like at least like five
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times the amount of players that have their own sneakers now
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compared to the back. Then and everybody shows, well,
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it's because of the age. This is not wine, ladies and
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gentlemen, OK? It's not about fine wine.
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I'm telling you guys factual information for a guy that's a
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sneaker head and no sneakers. I know sneakers.
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I know sneakers better than anybody.
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Definitely in this in the studio with Speedy and everybody on
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here. I know Jabba probably has a lot
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of sneakers. Probably more than all our
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guests. I've been a sneaker collector
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since I was 14, 15 years old. I I know Jabba's a hat
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collector. I know he's collecting hats
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forever. I remember.
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You see, Jabba, I listen. You think I don't listen to you?
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I remember what you said about your hat collection.
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And I'm a hat. Collector I don't think I have
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one pair of Nikes though. OK, I can.
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I'm an Adidas. Maybe.
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Maybe that's why you didn't tear your Achilles.
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I do have a different theory on what what could be the Achilles
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issue and I talked to you about it earlier also, Errol, that one
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of the biggest moves that's come into the game in the past
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decade, really kind of starting with James Harden is the step
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back, right? And when you do the step back,
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you're end up putting your bot, your one of your legs out of the
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frame of your body. Now, when I coach football, if a
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lineman does that, I tell him he's false stepping and he's
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stepping backwards to go forward.
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So you push off by really just extending your your calf at
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maximum effort and that's how you go forward.
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So when you step back to do that, you're doing that in a
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reverse action in basketball, every single one of these
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Achille injuries, the that you see, it's from that foot being
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outside of the frame of the body.
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Whether we're talking about Jason Tatum diving for that ball
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and pushing off the ground or we're talking about Halliburton
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trying to do kind of like, you know, stepping around, doing a
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fancy move with the ball, kind of doing a step back or at least
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part of a step back in that process.
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I even talk about Dre Greenlaw hopping up and doing that exact
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same motion trying to run onto the field in the second-half,
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extending the calf away from. That has something to do with
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Turf I I do believe. Really bad.
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The turf. It's just like the way the body
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mechanics. They they said the Raiders, that
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the turf over there is one of the worst when it comes to new
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stadiums in all of the NFL. Yeah.
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And I, I listen, I, I know everybody's going to go and
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they're going to say, what do you know about this?
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You don't know anything. You're talking.
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You shouldn't be on radio and kiss my ass.
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Ladies and gentlemen, I'll give you what I have to say.
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And you can eat it, suck it and dish it out.
23:04
The speedies dog Jack, right? Is his name Jack Jake?
23:08
Jake. There it is.
23:09
I'm trying to help here, but here's the facts.
23:12
You have to look at the situation for what it is Now,
23:15
NBA players aren't wearing cleats, are they?
23:17
But guess what? There are Nike cleats out there,
23:20
are they not? They're making cleats.
23:22
They're and again, a lot of these players like Patrick
23:25
Mahomes. Patrick Mahomes has his own
23:27
custom made cleat. By who?
23:30
Psyche. So what I'm trying to say here
23:33
is it's not Nike's fault. I'm not blaming Nike.
23:36
I'm not. I'm not going to get myself into
23:38
trouble. I think Nike is the best when it
23:40
comes to sneakers in all of sneaker collections.
23:44
I'm going to tell you this right now.
23:45
They're my favorite. From top to bottom, Nike's my
23:48
favorite. The fact is because Nike is a
23:52
multibillion dollar, trillion dollar organization, I do
23:56
believe that they're just trying to scout up and and grab all the
24:01
top players in professional sports, including basketball and
24:04
give them what they want, their own designer shoe, their own
24:07
colors that they want so they can sell as many as they
24:10
possibly can and not care about the making of the shoe and the
24:14
player that's playing in them. I have, I've said this and it's
24:18
a big problem and and the LJ as an organization needs to get
24:22
LeBron James in on it. He needs to use his security and
24:27
everything that he does with Rich Paul to to sneak away and
24:31
figure out what Nike, Adidas, Converse and all these companies
24:35
are doing when they're making these sneakers.
24:37
That's all I'm saying. Yeah, it's interesting because I
24:39
think for the sake of Achilles injuries in general, like
24:42
there's not really other factors you can blame the same way like
24:45
you can with football with the turf.
24:46
Like what is it? I mean, seriously, if it's
24:48
different, if it's not the sneakers, what is it?
24:51
Yeah, because there's nothing on the court that's distinctly
24:52
different in any way. It's not like even a baseball
24:54
tour. You have different ballparks,
24:56
different hybrid turf surfaces as well, and different types of
24:59
dirt as well. And I think football, college
25:02
football too, is the same problem when they're switching
25:04
to playing in NFL stadiums a lot of the time.
25:06
But basketball, you not like the painter.
25:08
The world is any different. That's what you're saying.
25:11
You know, You know what the common refrain is, of course.
25:15
It's too many games. I don't play too many games.
25:18
Playing too close, but here's the thing, the.
25:19
Celtics this do very good at load managing their stars and
25:22
it's helped them in years past stay healthy.
25:24
So you can't really blame that one thing for Tatum's injury.
25:27
The same way you would say if one of the Knicks players had it
25:30
with what bad injury like that because Tom Thibodeau wore out
25:32
the players or one of those types of teams like the Celtics
25:35
actually did a really good job at for the last few years load
25:38
managing. That's why, besides I think one
25:40
year their regular season, like it went total wasn't like
25:43
insane, but because the Jalen Brown and Jason Tatum were low
25:46
managing and I don't think the Pacers really worth doing that
25:49
kind of thing with Halliburton either where he was either
25:51
trying to work him too much. It was just more of like, all
25:54
right, it took a while for the season to get going.
25:56
The Pacers are the seven C at the All Star break type thing.
25:59
Well, it's the calf injury, right?
26:00
Like we should talk about that before we finish.
26:02
This is these calf injuries. They're not minor.
26:06
Even if you feel good enough to play on, if they shoot you up
26:09
with enough that you feel fine, Let's face it, Halliburton was
26:12
playing great after until he had that injury in that game, he
26:17
probably felt like 1,000,000 bucks.
26:18
He said he felt like 1,000,000 bucks and then it was gone.
26:21
If you remember the game before, he wasn't a primary ball handler
26:24
in that game. He facilitated in Game 6 after
26:27
he tweaked it the first time, right?
26:29
So they really should have played him the exact same way in
26:32
Game 7. But really he was doing all
26:35
these fancy footwork things. And if you do too much on that
26:39
calf, if you make the calf the primary muscle you're pushing
26:42
off of, I mean, job, you know, this is a picture, You've got to
26:44
engage your glutes. You got to engage all four
26:46
muscles of your quad. The calf shouldn't be the
26:49
primary muscle you're pushing off on.
26:51
You're going to hurt yourself if you're doing that right.
26:54
It's we like all the way we, yeah, if we do it in a weird way
26:58
that that usually not as our main one.
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Yeah, that's that's kind of when you get hurt.
27:01
And it's always like when you and it's kind of cliche, but as
27:06
as athletes and as coaches, it's like, yeah, you're trying to
27:10
push you something, but something has to give because
27:12
you're compensating because you already know it sucks.
27:15
So you're trying to like not make it hurt.
27:18
And then you end up hurting something else that's not even
27:21
hurt, because you're compensating and doing things
27:24
the way your body's not normally used to doing it.
27:27
I also don't think it's the step back thing theory that you have.
27:31
I'm not saying I'm not to attacking what you believe and
27:33
maybe you have some kind of argument to it.
27:37
Again, Michael Jordan was the king of doing that.
27:39
Keema Lajawan was the king of doing that.
27:42
Did they ever tear their Achilles?
27:43
No. Well, I mean, Jordan was doing a
27:45
fade away. It's a little different than
27:47
this. I mean, I'm thinking about the
27:48
James Harden step back, you know, calm.
27:50
Alone, calm alone. I mean, he did a lot of step
27:52
back jump shots. They're they're.
27:54
Look, Larry Bird did did it the most I would say before this
27:58
common error. Larry Bird constantly would just
28:00
do a jab at a guy, step back and just talk shit and drain it in
28:04
the guy's face. But none of that looked as
28:07
dynamic as some of what these Dirk Nowinski is doing right
28:10
now. Who did that?
28:11
You know what's that? I'm sorry, Dirk Nowinski.
28:14
Was another one that did that Step back, jump jump Dirk did.
28:16
Did a like a version of it where he was just so tall and he kind
28:20
of like used his other leg to shield his body so never.
28:22
Tore his Achilles. He never did and it's really
28:25
interesting, like the young guys tearing it, they got to do
28:29
something. I think there's a combination of
28:31
factors. I don't know if it's the games.
28:33
I would be willing to bet what you're saying with the sneakers
28:35
has a ton of validity because you know that companies are
28:38
selling sneakers to make money, not for safety reasons.
28:41
And remember how long. Remember how long it took them
28:44
to make a prototype in those days?
28:47
I'm not talking about the Jordan ones, which they made a
28:50
prototype right away because they knew they had to draw
28:52
Michael Jordan to come in and he didn't want to play.
28:54
He didn't want anything to do with Nike.
28:57
He wanted to go to Converse or Adidas.
29:00
That's where. But if you know.
29:01
You watch that movie, the Matt Damon, Ben Affleck movie.
29:03
Fantastic. Movie and a lot of the story
29:05
isn't true, by the way, but some of it is and it's a great story
29:09
because the guy that really discovered Michael Jordan is the
29:12
same guy that argued he was the front runner for the NIL deals,
29:15
believe it or not, if you guys don't know that.
29:17
So I'm just saying when I'm looking at sneakers and I look
29:22
at the the defining building block that they're trying to
29:26
sell out there to the fan, they're only selling the look.
29:31
They're not selling the comfortability.
29:32
They're not selling. That's why if you notice, why
29:35
did Yeezys, the Yeezys when they came out, remember the Kanye
29:39
West they were selling for like 5-6, seven, $100.
29:42
People were spending that kind of money for Yeezys and now
29:46
you're obviously his problem with over the years with Adidas,
29:49
he's there's no more Yeezys or you can you can only get fake
29:52
ones, replicated ones. But what I'm trying to say is
29:55
they were made very, very well. If you put a Yeezy on and you
29:58
put a regular sneak on, you could see the difference on the
30:01
the protection of your feet and the pad and and the way you know
30:05
how they define the product. So people would want to buy them
30:09
when you look at. This they were.
30:10
They were comfortable. Yes, they're looking at these
30:12
sneakers, the Nike sneakers they're they're sensational to
30:16
look at not very comfortable to wear when you're walking Michael
30:19
Jordan's they're not comfortable until you build them in and it
30:22
takes a while to build in. They hurt the hell out of your
30:25
feet and you always got to get it one bigger size.
30:28
And this is a tip for all you fans out there, if you like
30:31
Jordan ones and they're the, to me, the most popular and the
30:34
ones that I would tell you to get, if you're going to get
30:35
Jordan's with the colors, you have to get a size or half a
30:40
size bigger, depending on the sneaker.
30:43
If they're obviously the Jordan, you know, high tops, I would get
30:47
a size bigger. If they're low tops, I would get
30:50
a half a size bigger. I'm telling you guys, I've been
30:53
wearing sneakers my whole life. I'm like the king of
30:55
understanding what hurts and what doesn't.
30:58
I'm just telling you, I believe the factual thought of what the
31:02
NBA needs to look into is the sneaker and the way it is, is
31:06
built and as fast as it it's built by just looking at science
31:12
and trying to define on how and why it would be a good product
31:16
to sell. When it comes to the player, I I
31:19
don't like it and I I think the NBA just needs to figure that
31:23
out. That's just my opinion.
31:25
That's it. I I It's sad.
31:26
I want to mention the difference as well.
31:28
We've seen a lot of, like you saying, exposed.
31:29
And I say I'm sorry to cut you off.
31:31
It's, I say it's sad because everybody's going to say, what
31:33
the hell are you talking about? You don't know what you're
31:36
talking about. It's sad because that is the
31:38
only reason why the I believe that these Achilles problems are
31:43
still more defined or still trying.
31:45
We're trying to find answers behind it.
31:47
That's all I'm saying. That's why I said.
31:48
But guys, yeah, I was. Going to say, there's not really
31:50
also a positional split in terms of what we've seen because a lot
31:52
of the big men, a lot of the big men we've seen in recent years
31:56
have had Achilles injuries too. DeMarcus Cousin was a big one.
31:58
I think Andre Drummond as well, another big one that had that.
32:00
Now you're seeing it recently. Like both of them wearing.
32:03
Nike Yeah. And now you're seeing it with
32:05
these with these guards to Tatum's a bigger wing that's
32:07
dribbled the ball all up a lot now too.
32:09
So again, there's no distinct theory on if it's ball handling,
32:11
it's even intensity like Fish. You were saying like Halliburton
32:15
made a move, try to try to stretch it on a dribble too.
32:18
Like again, we've also seen these power players tear their
32:20
Achilles the same way too. And maybe the big men is
32:23
probably what you were saying is the analogy with the offensive
32:25
line of football. And maybe it's the same kind of
32:27
motion. And and, and I attacked Nike
32:29
again on this segment, not for them to hate me because my
32:33
favorite sneaker is Nike and I would not pick any sneaker over
32:36
Nike out of all the sneakers that I buy.
32:39
I've I have Yeezys, I have every single sneaker you can name
32:42
Adidas Converse. I wouldn't buy any sneaker over
32:47
Nike, but there's just something behind this that maybe the LJA
32:52
needs to investigate. Hey, why don't they send Carmelo
32:55
Anthony and Chris Paul? I think they'd be good
32:57
investigators. Could you imagine those two guys
32:59
as a comedy? That would be a comedy watching.
33:02
Carmelo Anthony is 6 foot 8 and Chris Paul, who's like 6 to come
33:06
into your building and say I'd like to see all the paperwork on
33:09
that sneaker. Carmelo Anthony, Shoe detective
33:12
Is that what you're getting out? Let.
33:13
Me try. We're going to just walk around
33:15
with like glasses of wine the whole time and I'm just like
33:18
sipping on it, smoking cigars. Melo was a Jordan guy.
33:22
What was CP3? He wasn't a Jordan guy.
33:25
Hold on, hold on, I think. He got he just signed for his
33:28
21st year. Chris Paul, I think he's.
33:30
Was he Nike? I think Chris Paul was Nike too.
33:33
I thought he had his own shoe. Yeah, he's.
33:35
Jordan. He's Jordan.
33:36
He has Nike too. He's Jordan too, yeah.
33:39
Dwyane Wade I think was Jordan too if I'm not mistaken.
33:42
No Dwyane Wade was he actually I I mentioned this in the chat
33:46
Carter his senior year he started making his own shoe way
33:49
of wades out of. China.
33:50
Oh, OK, wow, OK oh, that goes oh, and that was something else
33:53
I wanted to say before we get on too, because we're still waiting
33:56
for our guest. I I wanted to say one more
33:58
thing. Star berries.
33:59
Remember when those things came out?
34:01
The dollar sneakers. Like he's a legend over there,
34:04
man. Listen to this and I, I told
34:06
this to fish too, for all you guys to understand why everybody
34:10
made fun of strawberries. That was like crappy sneakers.
34:12
They were so very well built that I bought a ton of, if I was
34:17
a basketball player when I played basketball when I was a
34:19
kid, I would go out and buy a bunch of pairs of strawberries
34:23
because one, they're made for basketball, They're good on your
34:26
ankles, lot of padding and I played very well with them.
34:29
Yes, they broke. Yes, they ripped.
34:31
Yes, they tear very fast. They were a buck.
34:34
I would rather spend a buck on a good pair and not an ugly pair
34:38
of sneakers that I could play some ball with than going out
34:41
and spending $200 on a sneaker that honestly is hurting my foot
34:47
even though it looks good and bothering certain you know
34:51
aspects of my future when it comes to walking, working, or
34:54
even getting a chance to run with my kid in the future.
34:58
I, I Nikes, Nikes have been a big problem and, and, and
35:02
beating them in or wearing them in is so very hard to to do
35:05
because you have to wear them consistently and it hurts your
35:07
feet so. Did you?
35:08
Is is those and one joints in your collection.
35:11
Yes, I have. I have a pair of N ones.
35:13
Yes, first pair. First pair.
35:15
I don't, I don't collect. Anyway, now they're selling
35:17
Walmarts and I'll tell you this, women can find some nice stuff
35:22
in Walmart. Guys, if you shop at Walmart,
35:25
shame on you shame on. You they've got some good themed
35:29
shirts like someones you can just wear once for like an
35:32
outing. Yeah, because if you try to
35:34
wash. Oh yeah, they become like a crop
35:35
top. Yeah, they.
35:36
Have like N1 had the best shorts back in the day.
35:40
They don't make them anymore the way they used to.
35:42
They were like the first ones with pockets.
35:44
They had pockets. They were.
35:46
They were absolutely the best basketball shirts.
35:47
I don't know why they changed up there the way they make them,
35:50
but it's a lot cheaper and kind of ratty now.
35:52
I don't think N1's the same quality they used to be, if
35:54
they're even still owned by the same people.
35:56
It's pretty cool when you're trying to figure out or argue a
36:01
point that everybody's going to have their own opinion by and
36:04
probably nobody's ever used that opinion like I, I've and that's
36:09
what makes it unique. And Fish came to me and he asked
36:12
me, well, how would you attack this?
36:13
I think it's a sneaker. And he says why?
36:16
And then I, I gave him my take to it and he says that I've
36:20
never heard anything like that before.
36:21
This would be a great topic to argue.
36:24
And I just, I feel like the NBALJ, whatever you want to call
36:29
it, they, they're not, they're, they're looking at the, the big
36:33
picture. Yes, it's bringing in money.
36:35
It's in they're endorsing so many great players and future
36:38
Hall of farmers. What they're not doing is
36:40
protecting those assets as they move forward in their careers.
36:45
And you expect them to be the face of your product?
36:48
Because think about it, how many guys could you tell me right now
36:52
in the NBA in five years is going to be better than Tyrese
36:55
Halliburton? How many?
36:58
This guy's 2223 years old. He's not.
37:01
He's 25. Still young.
37:03
He's not even in prime 25. You said the face the face of
37:07
basketball. No, I didn't.
37:08
Halbert. Cooper Flag.
37:10
Yeah, Cooper Flag is going to be the face of the NBA in USA
37:14
Basketball. I do.
37:15
We think he's going to be one of them.
37:16
I think Cal Burton, he's such a young guy right now and he
37:19
hasn't even fully developed. Just think about it.
37:22
There's not many guys in the NBA like him, a stretch, 6 foot 6
37:28
point guard. They can take the ball up, shoot
37:30
the ball and do so many things, rebound, pass.
37:34
I mean, this guy, he's just a a way better version.
37:38
And I know people might think of crazy of Russell Westbrook.
37:42
That's what he is. He's a he's a better version of
37:45
Russell Westbrook. Why?
37:46
Because he plays defense. Russell Westbrook don't.
37:49
That's the difference. But I, I think that this kid has
37:52
the ability, the athletic ability to go up and down the
37:54
court. He's so very good his and by the
37:57
way, Russell Westbrook couldn't shoot like this guy.
37:59
He didn't hit big shots like this guy.
38:01
This guy last year's playoffs in every single series daggered
38:06
every one of those teams that he beat.
38:09
Just think about it. He daggered every one of those
38:12
teams in Indiana. They had the hardest path to the
38:17
NBA Finals. If you think about it too.
38:19
Just think about it. So I, I just think when you're
38:23
hearing it from Halpern Alpertons not going to throw the
38:25
NBA or sneaker contract under the bus.
38:28
Why would he ever do that when he's making millions and
38:30
millions of dollars and he, he could get sued or he could get
38:33
dropped by that organization? No, he's going to sit there and
38:37
he's not going to give you an answer when everybody, if you're
38:40
sitting here listening to us right now, any kind of answer to
38:44
this, you would understand that the only way this could be
38:48
happening is because of the sneaker.
38:50
That's the only reason. The way you land.
38:54
How many times have you heard, Jabba, when somebody says they,
38:57
they tear their Achilles, they can't put their, they can't put
39:00
their heel on the ground. Every time they try to put the
39:03
hair on the ground, they have shooting pains up their leg.
39:06
How many times have you heard when you try to grab your What
39:10
do they call this over here? Speedy?
39:11
What do they call this? I don't even know I'm.
39:14
Not the back of the the back of the the ankle right over there
39:17
where you know, the bone sticking out.
39:20
Why do they say that when doctors grab that they can tell
39:23
you automatically if you tore your Achilles because they
39:27
noticed that the muscle just tear right off of that.
39:29
So because that's where it's connected to.
39:32
It's just to me, I, I just think that the NBA just for the, for
39:36
the amount of money that they're making and they're bringing in,
39:39
they should absolutely take care of the players that are bringing
39:42
in that kind of money and making it an asset of a sport as we all
39:46
know internationally. Just my thought.
39:47
Our next step? Do you want to do?
39:48
Let's parlay. 1st All right, so W sent a couple of CFL picks as
39:52
he usually does. Yeah, I said he has to go 3 and
39:54
1 this week to stay. 40. Percent after he was two and two
39:57
last week. He's got Calgary this week -5
40:00
1/2 He's got Toronto plus 2 1/2 BC.
40:04
BC of the BC lions -3. Is that your cucumber or are you
40:07
happy to see me? And the Edmonton Elks the.
40:10
Fish wears panties. Lapping stock of the CFL, he
40:13
actually has them covering plus 9 and a.
40:14
Half I need a magnifying glass. You're going to need that one
40:20
after those picks, but they're winners.
40:24
CFL, if you're a W fan, they're winners.
40:27
I, I can't lie to you guys, He knows his stuff.
40:30
All right, ladies and gentlemen, we call this next segment Tick
40:34
Tack no. Morris.
40:38
Right in the butt we get the prizes cheat because they're
40:43
stolen. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
40:52
Doo Doo athletes. And they're Speedy.
40:58
You know what? I will say this, Speedy, And if
41:01
you really watch the footage here and if he really gets
41:03
closer, you can see the back of my head as I watched Speedy
41:07
doing his little tantrum. I call this like a tantrum
41:11
dance. Like it looks like he's like
41:13
yelling at his mom and doing a tantrum.
41:15
Like like he has ants in his pants, you know?
41:17
Fish, I have to ask, do you remember exactly which song that
41:20
was from? What I think it was like that
41:25
Journey song. Oh.
41:26
Separate ways. I think they played separate.
41:27
Ways I think it might have been like, yeah, one of those I love
41:30
Lisa Ann songs. Yeah, I know they played
41:33
separate ways is the first one they played Don't stop believing
41:35
a little later, but I think. Yeah, I need Brittany also that.
41:37
Probably fits for that. Well, I will say that that was
41:40
the best part of the night was when we were dancing with to the
41:43
band, and the band was absolutely sensational.
41:46
And they came over here to our side.
41:48
And, you know, I, I'll say this, my friend Ray, who haven't
41:51
spoken to in a couple of weeks because he's been depressed.
41:54
If you listen, Ray, you know I love you.
41:56
Yeah, he's been a little depressed.
41:58
And unfortunately, you know, he's gone through so much over
42:02
the last couple of months and, and really last past year.
42:05
I, I give him a lot of credit, but hopefully he's OK, gets out
42:08
of that cocoon, that little turtle shell, as I call him
42:10
ninja, a ninja turtle, a little ninja turtle.
42:13
I would say he's more Raphael because he's in one of his bad
42:15
moods. But nevertheless, I, I, I will
42:19
say that when we were, we were at the events for, you know,
42:23
for, for the birthday bash while we were there.
42:25
Anyway, it was your birthday. It was my birthday.
42:27
It was your birthday. That's right.
42:29
We, we the, the band when we were dancing to the band was the
42:33
best part. So just just say it was fun.
42:36
And fish had to go home early. And I, I got to give you a
42:38
credit for a guy, you know, his wife was supposed to come and
42:42
hang out with us. If anybody doesn't know, but
42:44
they didn't have a dog sitter. So she had to stay home and
42:47
watch the dog. She wanted it.
42:48
She never met me and she wanted to come out and hang out with me
42:51
and Brittany. She never got a chance to.
42:54
And he came four hours practically by himself and to
42:58
hang out for a couple hours, 2-3 hours to go back home, 4 hours
43:01
and drive home. So I got to give him a Golf Club
43:04
golf clap for the old fisherman over here.
43:06
The old fish. Exaggerate.
43:08
It wasn't that far, but I do appreciate it.
43:10
Let's get the music on Speedy. You got some questions to beat
43:13
us this time. We killed you last time all.
43:15
Right, we'll start this week with a David Wright theme again.
43:17
I had it in my 6 pack. They acquired the rights to
43:20
David Wright as a compensation player in 2001 because the Mets
43:24
lost what starting pitcher to free agency.
43:28
In 2001, Yep. So that means he played.
43:32
I'm going to Rain Man this Mike Hampton.
43:35
You got it. You all right?
43:37
Wow. All right.
43:39
I. Tried getting him on the shelf,
43:40
where do you go? To because the schools were so
43:42
good in Colorado. I'll never forget that.
43:44
That's why he had to leave bad schools in New York, you know,
43:47
clearly schools. He wasn't a good man anyways.
43:51
He really wasn't. They overpaid him.
43:54
Mike Hampton. Well, they overpaid him in
43:56
freaking Colorado too. He was trapped.
43:58
Yeah, he was not good in course field.
44:00
He was a better hitter than I think he was pitcher.
44:03
That's true. He did hit a lot of homers.
44:05
Yeah, I. Did.
44:06
All right. I'm taking the middle Speedy.
44:08
You're going to have to do better than that.
44:09
All right, so Philip Rivers announced his official
44:13
retirement as a Charger just recently.
44:15
A lot of people making jokes about that.
44:17
So the year that he led the NFL in passing yards was 2010.
44:20
So the other five quarterbacks who are top five were for Drew
44:24
Brees and the 2 Manning brothers.
44:26
What quarterback was the other one?
44:29
So top five in passing 2010. In 2010. 20. 10 Hayden, Eli.
44:45
You're muted Java. It has to be somebody off the
44:49
wall 2010. I mean, I don't even want to say
44:58
it because it's it feels too obvious.
45:00
Who is it? I mean Brady.
45:07
You know the two obvious angle was correct there.
45:09
It's not Brady. Someone had to say it though.
45:13
Who do you have? Brady was out to that the year
45:18
before with the injury, right? That was O 8.
45:20
He was out. With the injury.
45:22
I'm remembering 2010. I'm looking at, I'm listening.
45:25
I'm thinking about the quarterbacks at that time.
45:31
I know it wasn't Ben. I wasn't.
45:33
It wasn't Ben, it wasn't him. Was it Matt Ryan?
45:39
I don't know if I should go a little bit more obscure, but
45:41
she's so obvious but like. Oh my God, I wonder.
45:49
Was it? I know who it is.
45:50
Was it Aaron Rodgers it? Was not.
45:52
That's what I was going to guess.
45:54
I'm going to go another not super up Carson Palmer.
45:58
Nope. Is it 2010 when the.
46:00
Green Bay Packers was both of my guess That's a.
46:02
Good guess that cost your problem was a good guess.
46:05
He. Was not top five.
46:06
Was that Zach? Was that your other one?
46:08
No, no, but that's just a good guess.
46:10
I forgot. Most of both of my guests, Josh,
46:12
was your Carson Palmer. But like, yeah, I don't know.
46:17
It's got to be. It's got to be what?
46:18
About what about the guy that's playing for the Giants this
46:20
year? No.
46:22
Oh, yeah, Russell Wilson. He.
46:24
Wasn't in. The league.
46:26
Oh no, you're right. No, you're you're 2010.
46:29
Yes. He wasn't even drafted yet.
46:30
Never mind. The next year.
46:32
Yeah, never mind who else in 2010?
46:37
I think Zach, you're our only savior, right?
46:38
Now no I. Guess who's got a guess left?
46:42
It's just me. I'm trying to think 20 tens, you
46:47
said. You said Drew Brees is number
46:48
one, right? Drew Brees.
46:50
So Brees, Eli Payton. Eli Payton and Man It there are
46:55
Rivers. Yeah.
46:56
It's not Brady, it's not Big Ben.
46:58
It's not Rogers, not Carson Palmer.
47:01
I looked it up, I don't think you're going to get it.
47:03
Yeah, I'm just. All right, you got to give an
47:05
answer, Jake. All right, that's Speedy.
47:08
Go ahead. So, Zach, you were actually the
47:10
closest because it was a guy that backed up Matt Ryan
47:12
previously. Matt Schaub is the answer.
47:15
Matt Schaub with Andre John. Not about that we.
47:18
Did have that little run there in the 2010 Matt Schaub, yeah.
47:22
Yeah, Jake and Zach, you were right about the obscure angle.
47:25
That was that was actually a good one, Speedy.
47:28
That was a really good question, Speedy.
47:30
That's not the guy we think of where you're going.
47:32
Bottom right. Bottom right, right here and
47:36
let's move on. All right, so Chris Paul you
47:38
were mentioning earlier in the basketball segment, he actually
47:41
just resigned with the Clippers. So we have a Chris Paul theme
47:44
question. One of his most impressive
47:46
accomplishments was 106 to the consecutive games with a steel
47:50
streak. So who?
47:51
Which Hall of Fame point guard did he steal from the ball from
47:54
to break the record? John Stockton.
47:57
Nope. Damn in 2000?
47:59
8 Is there a year? Can we get a year?
48:01
Now I said 2008. Oh, 2008 is.
48:04
That in. The League no.
48:07
OK. You said point guard or just
48:09
guard? Point guard.
48:12
They feel like. I didn't hear 2008.
48:14
I'm going to say Jason Kidd. I feel like that's obvious
48:17
though, I don't think. No, you're still playing man.
48:19
It could have been man, but no Hall of Fame point guard, But
48:22
no, not Jason Kidd. Is it Oscar Robertson?
48:25
No, no, not. What?
48:26
His grand, His grandson. Oh, I thought you were saying
48:30
like. In 2008.
48:32
No, he stole. He stole the ball from him.
48:35
Oh, in 2008, I thought you were saying he he broke the whole the
48:39
guy that I listened. To it wrong too Jake, I thought
48:42
this. I didn't.
48:43
I didn't hear it. Jake, the guy he broke the
48:44
record from, I didn't even know who he was, so I wasn't going to
48:47
make that the question. That would have been really
48:48
hard. You want me to guess?
48:49
I'm going to guess, yeah. What do you got?
48:50
Steve Nash. Nope.
48:51
That's a tough question, man. I'm trying to think who's gone
48:56
into the Hall of Fame from that era, probably near the end of
49:03
his. Career like guard or is he like
49:06
A2 guard he? Said he said point guard.
49:08
There's only so many it could be and I'm like blanking and I keep
49:13
talking of someone but he's not a.
49:14
Point. They didn't.
49:18
Put Chauncey Billups in the Hall of Fame, Did they?
49:20
I don't. Think so.
49:21
I don't think so either. I need a blow pop.
49:25
I don't know this one at. All I don't want to guess.
49:31
I can't even. Think.
49:32
Just guess. You might as well guess.
49:34
Make it guess, Zach. I was.
49:36
I don't know if he's in the Hall of Fame, though.
49:37
I was good as my other guest was going to be like Jason Williams,
49:40
but I don't know if he was playing in 2008.
49:43
White chocolate. Yeah.
49:45
He's not a Hall, not a Hall of Famer.
49:46
OK, that's who I thought. OK.
49:48
I messed up. I didn't hear the Hall of Fame
49:49
part. I'm just trying to think of like
49:51
very obscure. No, no, he's a Hall.
49:54
He's a well known Hall of Famer. Oh, OK.
49:57
He's well known. OK.
49:58
Well known Hall of Fame point guard.
50:03
I'm going to kill myself. I know I'm going to be mad when
50:06
he says it. I need like a list of teams in
50:10
front of me and I'm not going to cheat, so I'm just going to
50:12
pass. I, I think I know who it is and
50:14
I'm. Sitting here, go for it, we're
50:17
done. I don't like.
50:18
Can I get a guest to that mess? Go ahead, Jake.
50:21
Is it? Is it Rondo?
50:22
No. I don't think Rondo's Hall of
50:24
Fame either. Does he play for San Antonio?
50:26
Yes. Who do you guys think it is?
50:31
Well, if it's San Antonio, it's Tony Parker.
50:32
It's Tony Parker. Yeah, it was.
50:35
It was either Steve Nash or Tony Parker in my head.
50:38
So those are the only two guys. All right, Well, we didn't get
50:42
it. Speedy, where you going all?
50:45
Right. Let's go bottom left.
50:49
All right, here we go. I missed it.
50:52
Who was it? Tony Parker.
50:55
Should have thought of that. Very frustrated.
50:57
I didn't. I know.
50:59
It's either one or the other. All right, so you guys got to
51:04
get this one to stay alive here. We'll go back to baseball for
51:06
this one. So obviously, I don't know if
51:08
you've heard the Red Sox have had two straight games with a
51:10
catcher's interference, including one that led to a walk
51:13
off for the Phillies. I know, Jake, you're happy about
51:15
that one. So the last time there was a
51:18
catcher that got called for a walk off pass catcher's
51:22
interference, it was a Hall of Famer who wasn't.
51:27
Wait, say that one more time. So the last time there was a
51:29
walk off on a catcher's interference, it was a Hall of
51:32
Fame legendary catcher. Name this player.
51:35
Oh, before, before, before. The other day A.
51:38
Couple days ago, yeah. When?
51:39
When the Red Sox did against the Phillies.
51:42
How long? How long ago would this have
51:44
been? Like.
51:46
I think I remember I was watching the game last.
51:48
They said it was like it was really long ago, Jabba.
51:50
So it was a long time ago. I have no idea though.
51:55
Oh, did. Is that a pudge thing?
52:00
No Pudge Rodriguez. No, I think Sarah Lang tweeted
52:03
this out this morning. Is it Pudge?
52:06
No, it's not Pudge Jabba's right.
52:08
It's further back. All right, it's right here.
52:12
It's on the tip of your blue Raspberry Tootsie Roll tongue.
52:15
No, it's green. You can't see it.
52:17
Oh. It's green.
52:17
What is that? What is that lemon?
52:20
Lemon. No Green apple.
52:23
Green apple is it Johnny Bench it?
52:31
Is very good. All right, 1971.
52:34
You know who I thought it was? Yogi Berra.
52:39
Wow. All right, Java, you saved the
52:42
day on that one. Super high clutch rating in the
52:45
advanced analytics for Tic Tac. No blocking, speedy right there.
52:51
We have We can win on this next one Speedy make it a good one.
52:55
All right, let's go to some hockey.
52:56
So as you know, Gavin McKenna, the big phenom got committed to
53:00
your school jig, Penn State going over there.
53:03
So among NHL players and this, this guy's an active current
53:08
player for one of the tri-state area teams, who is the most
53:11
points ever from any player born in Pennsylvania and he's an
53:15
active tri-state player. So wait, what was it from Penn?
53:18
The most points. Yeah, it's the most points in
53:21
NHL history from any player that was born in Pennsylvania, and he
53:24
currently plays for either the Rangers, Islanders or Devils.
53:27
I'm going to predict he plays for the Devils.
53:29
If I had the if I had him in front of me, I would tell.
53:32
You I know I'm the same way like I need the I need.
53:34
I'm going to take a guess. All right.
53:36
What do you got? Jack Hughes?
53:37
Nope, not Jack Hughes. I know it's not.
53:39
It's. Going to have to be someone
53:40
who's played longer. It's going.
53:41
To be a veteran, it's on the Devils.
53:43
I'm telling you, they're it's on.
53:45
Is it on the Devil, Speedy? No, really.
53:48
So the maybe the oldest. Guy I like the sneak I like I
53:53
like this sneaky trick right there Earl does he play third
53:56
devil's nose so we don't see the Rangers our eyes just.
53:58
Go on, boys, Speedy's going to block us.
54:00
Speed Act, Who is it? What is it?
54:02
It's a Trocheck. Damn it, spit it out.
54:13
Speed. Let's go.
54:14
All right, so all right, there it is.
54:16
There's the block. Next question.
54:18
All right, so the next one is TJ Watt is one of two players to
54:22
have 4 All Pro appearances in the last 20 years and never win
54:26
a playoff game. What recent Hall of Famer is the
54:28
other one? So what was?
54:30
What was? The are you staying same
54:31
position or just? All Pro any position?
54:34
One of two players in the last 20 years to have 4 all pro
54:38
appearances and never win a playoff game.
54:41
Who was the other one? You said recent Hall of Famer.
54:45
Yep. Can we get how recent?
54:51
No. Oh wait, I know who it is, it's
54:54
Joe Thomas. Nope, No he wasn't All pro 4
54:58
times. Nope, he was more.
55:00
He was actually more. It's exactly 4 is what I was
55:02
going at. So speedy.
55:03
That's that's not fair. That's ridiculous, Speedy.
55:10
Come on, that, that's bullshit. Another question, Give us
55:14
another question. Do you have another question?
55:16
It's a very easy answer. All right, I'll give you, I'll
55:18
give you. It was an offensive skill
55:20
player. I'll give you at least give you
55:21
that. Exactly 4 times.
55:26
Recent Hall of Famer. Yes, Randy Boss.
55:29
No recent Hall of Famer last five years.
55:31
Oh skilled player. Yeah, so running back a receiver
55:35
or tight end? Running back, receiver or tight
55:38
end. Never won a playoff game.
55:41
I never went to a playoff game or never won a playoff game.
55:43
Never won a. Playoff Adrian Peterson?
55:44
Never. Won.
55:45
Nope. His team.
55:46
His team was in the playoffs three times, but they never won
55:49
a playoff game. It's not Megatron, is it?
55:53
It is very good, Jake. Oh.
55:55
I just said the only name that because you you're like playoff
55:59
times and like, I think the only team I could think of was like
56:02
Dafford and the lines and I'm like, well, he didn't have
56:04
anybody, you know? Yeah, they have that run, but
56:07
yeah, he didn't play that long. We're going to give you the
56:10
Nathan all right here. So where you want to?
56:16
Go. Let's go left middle.
56:18
All right, here it is. All right, Speedy, getting late
56:22
early here. All right, so Damian Lillard
56:24
returns to the Blazers for a second stint, and he is one of
56:27
three players that has seven or more All Pro appearances with
56:32
playing two stints on the same team.
56:34
LeBron is the obvious 1, going to the Cavs twice.
56:37
Damian Lillard And who is the other one?
56:39
Say that. One more time.
56:40
So Damian Lillard returns to the Blazers.
56:42
He has second stint appearances. So who are the only three
56:45
players? Damian Lillard?
56:46
LeBron is is 1 going back to the Cavs for a second time.
56:50
Who is the other player with seven or more more All NBA
56:53
appearances playing on the same team two different times?
56:59
Jason Kidd Nope, he did. I know.
57:01
We went to Dallas and he went back to.
57:05
Dallas is it? Is it?
57:06
Is it Wayne Wade? Now what?
57:08
What are you saying Was it? Current or.
57:12
It's it's 2000s. It's somebody, it's, it's
57:15
somebody there. He's not playing currently
57:17
though. Went back to his team and was
57:24
obviously legit. Seven time or more?
57:27
That's why I said Jason Kidd, because Jason Kidd was, he went
57:31
back to Dallas. What?
57:32
How many times did he how many times did he win?
57:34
Who else went back home at the end to wrap it up?
57:39
Did it matter at what time of their career or?
57:42
Did you say no? Just just as long as they had a
57:44
second stint with the team. Hall of Famer speedy it.
57:47
Didn't have to be at the end of his career, yes.
57:50
It did not have to be at the end of his.
57:51
Career. How is it not Jason Kidd?
57:59
2000s. That's a tough.
58:08
One Jason Kidd was five time all NBA not. 75 time off so it had
58:16
seven time all NBA. So what was the position that
58:20
was easy to get all NBA at center right?
58:24
So it would be like Shaq. Shaq didn't go back to.
58:27
Shaq didn't go back anywhere. Shaq didn't go back, Hakeem did.
58:32
He go back to the Rockets. No, I think, I think Jabba, I
58:37
think he went to the Rockets and then he retired on Toronto,
58:39
yeah. Yeah.
58:44
I may have a guess. I don't know if it's right
58:46
though. Is it Kevin Garnett?
58:48
Nope. He never went back to Minnesota.
58:51
No, he. Didn't.
58:52
Oh, I thought he did OK. So it's fish and Jabba I guess
58:59
is left I'm. Trying to remember.
59:04
It's so tough. All right.
59:12
Seven time all NBA. That went seven time all NBA
59:16
that went back. Did Pippin go back at the end?
59:22
I'm going to say Pippin. Nope. 2000 Not trying to think
59:35
it wasn't Dwight Howard. Same position, not Dwight
59:37
Howard. Oh.
59:44
God was Dikembe out in the tooth that now?
59:47
I don't know if Dikembe was that good.
59:54
I'm going to throw Dikembe out there.
59:56
No, it was actually somebody that was mentioned before, Steve
59:59
Nash. Steve Nash.
1:00:03
Oh. All right, Speedy.
1:00:06
Wow. Looks like you're going to block
1:00:08
us again. We're almost with a full board
1:00:10
here. It looks like we'll we'll just
1:00:11
go into the Jimmy Leyritz when he gets in, but let's put it
1:00:17
here. What's the last speedy?
1:00:19
You can still score. You can still score.
1:00:21
We can't win except for coming down to the tiebreaker, which
1:00:24
has only ever happened once. And take that, no history.
1:00:27
Let's do a speedy. All right, so Aaron Judge became
1:00:30
the fastest of 350 home runs. Who was the fastest of 400?
1:00:34
I'm just going to throw out a guess.
1:00:35
Was it a pool host? Nope, a rod.
1:00:38
Nope. Miguel Cabrera.
1:00:40
Nope. Was it McGuire?
1:00:42
Yep, Java getza. Oh, Java.
1:00:47
Excellent. So looks like he had that run
1:00:49
where it was. I think he hit like 200 and some
1:00:52
in like 3 years it felt like. So I guess so Jimmy is in.
1:00:56
So I guess we're going to call this 1A draw.
1:00:57
Is that what it looks like? Well, the last one is the tie
1:01:01
breaking question. Whoever is going to win.
1:01:02
So it all comes down to this. Whoever gets this question is
1:01:06
the winner. Sudden death overtime.
1:01:07
All right, so we'll go back to football for this one, so.
1:01:10
Honey ties get out of here. Honey Badger is just announcing
1:01:14
his retirement as well. There were three players in that
1:01:16
draft that were in the third round, picks that were Pro Bowl
1:01:20
players. Name one of the other two.
1:01:22
They're both offensive players in the in the 2013 NFL Draft.
1:01:29
Are we talking about Russell Wilson earlier tonight?
1:01:32
It's not Russell Wilson. Russell Wilson was the 2012
1:01:35
draft. Nobody.
1:01:37
What draft was Kyra Matthews the 2020?
1:01:40
13/20/13 NFL Draft In the third round there were two two other
1:01:44
players that are still both active that were Pro Bowl
1:01:47
players. Name.
1:01:49
Name one of them. Damn, I thought I had that.
1:01:53
Russell Wilson was 2012. It was.
1:01:55
The third round, though, I was right about that.
1:01:56
He. Was the.
1:01:57
RG3 and there were third round pick.
1:01:59
Yep, he was. A third round pick.
1:02:01
Russell Wilson was a third round pick in the 2012 draft.
1:02:03
These two players in the 2013 draft, both offensive players.
1:02:07
George Kim was was Kirk. Cousins in that draft.
1:02:11
Kirk Cousins was also the 2012 draft.
1:02:13
Yeah, he was the RG3 backup when?
1:02:17
He was later in the draft. Yeah, he was like the fourth
1:02:19
round, I believe, late. Four.
1:02:20
I thought he was third. Damn man, pretty good questions.
1:02:27
This this, this time, Speedy. Duty Dodger Joba is not an
1:02:36
athlete. I like anal.
1:02:47
He tastes himself. I gave up the booty.
1:02:50
This makes my pecker hard. Who has guesses left?
1:02:52
Jabba and Zach. What about skid mark?
1:02:56
As long as she's using dude wipes and taking care of my 2
1:02:59
hole I'm good. Pulled it out of my ass.
1:03:04
Pulled it out of my ass. I I got nothing.
1:03:07
I got. Nothing.
1:03:08
All right, I'll. Give you, I'll give you 2.
1:03:12
One more hint. One's a receiver, one's a tight.
1:03:13
Ass I farted. 2011, 2013, 2013 Third round, Third round Guy
1:03:20
became an all pro or just Pro Bowl.
1:03:23
Pro Bowl. Pro Bowl, you said?
1:03:25
From Wisconsin. I said he was.
1:03:27
A Pro Bowl player? No, I said.
1:03:29
He's just an. Off man Woody has no Woody.
1:03:31
One's a receiver, one's a tight act, Jimmy.
1:03:33
I shut up on your face. Jimmy is in, so we got to make
1:03:36
our guess. This sound I don't want to keep.
1:03:37
It all right, make your last guess.
1:03:38
I think I know who one of them is.
1:03:40
Wasn't wasn't that the year Kelsey came in?
1:03:43
I need a magnet fire. Right.
1:03:46
Yep. Jabba with the West in sudden
1:03:50
death overtime. When you said tight end, I was
1:03:53
like because I, I was thinking like running back and receiver.
1:03:57
And then you said I was like. Who was the other one, Speedy?
1:04:00
The other one was Keenan Allen. I shut up on your face.
1:04:03
My dog wants your Pussycat. Oh right, these.
1:04:07
Damn. Free.
1:04:07
Yeah. Didn't just didn't keen Allen
1:04:09
just retire too? That's crazy.
1:04:10
No, no, he just resigned with the Chargers.
1:04:12
Nice resign. He's still.
1:04:13
Going Oh, that was Mike Williams, right, Mike?
1:04:15
Williams retired. Yes, he signed back.
1:04:17
With somehow Keenan Allen lasted longer than Mike Williams.
1:04:20
Well, Keenan Allen was a better player than Mike Williams.
1:04:24
He's like he like Mike Williams only made it like 8 years and
1:04:26
now like Keenown's like year 13. Or he had a lot of bad injuries,
1:04:29
though that, yeah. Unfortunately so.
1:04:31
So has. So has Keenan Allen I think.
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He's he had a freak injury at the end of 20 beginning of the
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2016 season. Keenan Allen's had like 3 big
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big injuries in his. Earlier on in his career and
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then last year there's still big, he had like a good stretch.
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He tore his ACL. I remember that.
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I think he did he not do something with his ankle or
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something? Yeah, he had a bad ankle injury
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at the end of the year, one of the years of were in the
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playoffs. He's had a lot of major
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injuries. And to come, I always thought.
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You know, was like the more underappreciated Mike Evans.
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Whereas like Mike, I think people have recognized how great
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Mike Evans is now, but people didn't always talk about him.
1:05:04
I feel like Keenan Alan was the guy who always got forgotten
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about the 20. 10s receiver. I don't think Keenan Allen was a
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first round pick, so it was a third round pick.
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Yeah, so. That's what you're saying, all
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these guys, right? There I'm saying because he
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like, he worked, he built himself up, but like, he was
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always underappreciated. Like he was always a great wide
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receiver. No, he developed into one,
1:05:21
that's for sure. And and thank you to Philip
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Rivers as everybody don't want to give him any credit for what
1:05:26
he's done by. Everyone.
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You mean Steve Weiss? No, TJ Ward and TJ Ward, he he
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pretty much, he said none of them should make the and he said
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none of them should make the the Hall of Fame.
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So I was very shocked. That he did.
1:05:39
I do appreciate TJ Ward for joining my Chargers Haider
1:05:41
bandwagon. Thank you to all the fans that
1:05:43
are following us on Spotify and Apple Video, Spotify and Apple
1:05:48
Audio. Like we always say thank you to
1:05:50
TikTok fans, Instagram fans, Facebook fans, YouTube fans,
1:05:55
everybody fans, X fans a little lost.
1:05:58
We guys should be following us on X, but you know, it's not
1:06:02
that important and Speedy's category.
1:06:05
Anyways, thank you again. We'll be back on Monday.
1:06:09
Speedy, who will you have? On joining the show, thanks to
1:06:11
Nathan for getting him. 9:45 will be a former Raise Rockies.
1:06:14
A couple other teams I don't forget offhand.
1:06:16
Raise Rockies relief pitcher Jake McGee will be joining.
1:06:18
US Jacob McGee. Solid.
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There you go. Jake, good stuff.
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Yes, that'll be fun. A little a little speedy.
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Little left-hander. Yeah, little left-hander who
1:06:28
likes to blow loads, as we all know.
1:06:31
Anyways, thank you again. We really appreciate it.
1:06:34
The fans. Thank you to Blue Wire.
1:06:35
Think, oh, I just hit myself in the crotch.
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Oh, that hurts. Oh man.
1:06:41
How the hell did you do that? I put my hand up and I slapped
1:06:44
down and it hit me right in between my legs.
1:06:46
That hurts. The karma for the angry dragon
1:06:48
stuff. Yeah, it was definitely calm up,
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but Oh my God, I'm feeling it down my leg right now.
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Anyways, thank you to the fans. We'll be back on Monday.
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Until then, have a good weekend. And by the way, here we go A1
1:07:01
and A2 and A3. Happy birthday
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All right, Speedy, happy 30th. We love you.
1:07:43
Thank you very much. Thank you very much.
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As Elvis always says and he says got to go.
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Goodnight. It is the worldwide sports radio
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network.