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The Parents Who Home-Alone’d Their Kids for the Holidays w/ Kal Penn · Scam Goddess

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  Speaker 1: Scam, Come ra Fright.
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  Speaker 2: Scam, come.
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  Speaker 2: Goddess?
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  Speaker 1: What was popin congregation? Is your girl? Lacey Mosley aka
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  Speaker 1: scam Goddess, And y'all, I'm back in the ghetto aka
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  Speaker 1: the United States of A. This is our first episode.
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  Speaker 1: Are us soil? Okay, y'all be quiet? Isis snatched up
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  Speaker 1: with all the brown people now? But today I am
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  Speaker 1: very what, yes, excited, thrilled, elated because my guest today
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  Speaker 1: is a first timer.
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  Speaker 2: On the show. We have a new member of the church.
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  Speaker 1: Y'all. Yes, everybody, get up and welcome Welcome them, Welcome them. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: get up to shake your neighbor's hands, Say hello, neighbor.
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  Speaker 1: I know that's right.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: He's an actor, podcaster, comedian, author, and was an associate
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  Speaker 1: director of the White House Office. But more on that later.
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  Speaker 1: Some of you might recognize him as Kumar Patel from
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  Speaker 1: the infamous movies not infamous famous movies, I guess.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe it was infamous for me because as a kid
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  Speaker 1: I wasn't allowed to watch these body England, Harold and Kumar,
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  Speaker 1: or as doctor Kutner from the TV show House. Okay, Yes,
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  Speaker 1: he also has his own podcast out now called Here
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  Speaker 1: We Go Again, where he takes today's trends and headlines
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  Speaker 1: and asks why does history keep repeating itself? And did
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  Speaker 1: I mention that he was a political appointee in the
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  Speaker 1: Obama administration? Okay, better times? Or of how he landed
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  Speaker 1: an audition for the Name's Sake by writing a heartfelt
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  Speaker 1: letter to the director, Mira Nyer And because fourteen year
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  Speaker 1: old Zoran mom Donnie was a huge fan of Harold
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  Speaker 1: and Kumar go to White Castle, which weren't we, all, congregation,
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  Speaker 1: please welcome Calvin to the show.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you, thank you for having me, Thank you.
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  Speaker 2: For being here.
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  Speaker 1: I loved the namesake, and I love that you did
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  Speaker 1: a little scam to get up in.
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  Speaker 3: It was less of a scam. It was less of
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  Speaker 3: a scam and more of like because it was heartfelt.
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  Speaker 3: I've done scams for every actor has scammed a casting director.
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  Speaker 3: Like the special skills section of any actor's resume is
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  Speaker 3: almost entirely just made.
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  Speaker 1: Up, for sure, And the funniest part is when you
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  Speaker 1: see it in action. I once shot a show called
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  Speaker 1: Florida Girls, and we were in Savannah shooting it, and
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  Speaker 1: there was a special skills on the thing that was like,
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  Speaker 1: must be a strong swimmer, and the actor put that
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  Speaker 1: there were a strong swimmer. And the whole point was
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  Speaker 1: that we go to this rich house and we're like
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  Speaker 1: super poor, and I point out that like, oh, like look,
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  Speaker 1: they even know how to swim, like real good or
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  Speaker 1: something like that. He gets in this pool and he
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  Speaker 1: is flailing around. It almost looks like he's gonna drown.
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  Speaker 1: It completely ruins the joke because he's supposed to be
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  Speaker 1: like just move, yeah, like he swims every day.
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  Speaker 3: I got my sagcard by lying.
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  Speaker 1: I love that.
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  Speaker 3: I told them on my resume. This is way back
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  Speaker 3: when I was like twenty twenty one. I said that
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  Speaker 3: I played basketball, and the agent called and was like, hey,
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  Speaker 3: there's an audition for a Nike commercial. If you book this,
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  Speaker 3: you'll get your SAG card. You can play basketball, right,
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  Speaker 3: it's a basketball commercial. And I was like, yeah, of
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  Speaker 3: course I can play basketball. So they send me on
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  Speaker 3: the audition and I get to the audition. It's in
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  Speaker 3: the second floor of a casting office and they go, hey,
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  Speaker 3: the accounting firm downstairs complained about dribbling basketballs, so we're
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  Speaker 3: just going to talk trash for the audition. Pretend you're dribbling,
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  Speaker 3: you can play basketball, right, Like, yeah, I'm really good. Obviously,
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  Speaker 3: the only thing I'm good at is talking trash as
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  Speaker 3: an actor. So I booked this audition. I show up
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  Speaker 3: to the commercial. It's about three guys who are really
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  Speaker 3: good basketball players, and I start obviously I can't play,
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  Speaker 3: and they have to change the commercial to make it
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  Speaker 3: about three guys who can't play basketball. And I got
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  Speaker 3: my SAG card, So you.
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  Speaker 1: Know, I love that. See that's divine because also if
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  Speaker 1: you had come in when they were still dribbling before
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  Speaker 1: the company.
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  Speaker 3: Oh exactly, yeah, forget it Yetually the UK.
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  Speaker 1: It's divine timing. That's always how it is in the business. Also,
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  Speaker 1: I love.
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  Speaker 2: It's a Nike commercial.
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  Speaker 1: Cow like you were gonna massage your way of basketball
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  Speaker 1: and a Nike commercial.
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  Speaker 3: I mean I was just like, let's just see what happens,
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  Speaker 3: you know, like every as I feel like as actors,
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  Speaker 3: maybe people don't realize this enough, like we're very desperate
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  Speaker 3: for work. And even when you like, I'm always amazed
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  Speaker 3: when actors have beef with each other because you just
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  Speaker 3: like the one thing I can relate to is you'll
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  Speaker 3: do whatever it takes. To get a job. It doesn't
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  Speaker 3: matter what that is. You're just gonna do it because
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  Speaker 3: you you want it so badly, including lying about playing
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  Speaker 3: basketball at a Nike commercial.
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  Speaker 1: That's why we're ripe for scams, because that desperation meter
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  Speaker 1: is so high that it's like, you know, I've been
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  Speaker 1: out in the street taking eight hundred dollars head shots
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  Speaker 1: when I did not have that kind of money because
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  Speaker 1: the photographer said he shot Denzel's and I was like,
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  Speaker 1: that's close enough. That's close enough, right it is? But Cat,
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  Speaker 1: we always ask on this show, and you already kind
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  Speaker 1: of got into it. But what's your relationship with scams?
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  Speaker 1: Do you love them? Do you hate them? Have you
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  Speaker 1: ever been scammed? Have you ever run any scams that
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  Speaker 1: are pass a statute of limitation? They could be anything.
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  Speaker 3: I have one of each. That the me being a
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  Speaker 3: scammer is a much shorter story. But I was briefly
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  Speaker 3: a scamming everything. So in high school before I went
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  Speaker 3: to college, the summer before I needed I knew I
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  Speaker 3: was going to drama school. I grew up in New Jersey.
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  Speaker 3: I was coming out to UCLA in La Nice, and
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  Speaker 3: I needed to save up money because you need a
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  Speaker 3: car to go on auditions. You can't take the bus
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  Speaker 3: with the subway everywhere. It just doesn't go. Like you said,
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  Speaker 3: you need money for your headshots. I didn't have any
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  Speaker 3: of that. So the first job that I saw in
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  Speaker 3: the newspaper it said it was for telemarketing services. Oh lord,
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  Speaker 3: and I go to this place and they hire me immediately,
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  Speaker 3: and it's very clear that the only thing we're doing
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  Speaker 3: is there's an auto dialer on a computer, you have
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  Speaker 3: a headset on, you have a script, and you have
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  Speaker 3: a script, and you're calling old people and asking them
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  Speaker 3: to donate money to like some policeman's benevolent Society something somethingness.
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  Speaker 1: You know we covered this on here, did you. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: there's an whole HBO doc about this.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, then I need to watch that, so.
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  Speaker 2: Keep going because I want to see what happened to you.
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  Speaker 3: So what happened to me was basically, they know that
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  Speaker 3: the first person is going to say the first. They're
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  Speaker 3: going to say no first, So then there's the follow
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  Speaker 3: up on what you're supposed to say. You're basically guilting
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  Speaker 3: these old people into donating. They all and there was
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  Speaker 3: a line in the script about this, they're all like,
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  Speaker 3: you know, I'm I'm on a fixed income, so I can't.
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  Speaker 3: I can't give the one hundred dollars. And then we're
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  Speaker 3: supposed to say something like, well, man, the police do
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  Speaker 3: such great work to keep us all safe. How about
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  Speaker 3: fifty dollars? And you're basically convincing these old people that
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  Speaker 3: they're going to get murdered if you don't donate to
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  Speaker 3: the police. It was so insane. So I felt really
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  Speaker 3: bad about this the first day, right I go home.
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  Speaker 3: I come back the next day and I was like,
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  Speaker 3: I can't, I can't do this. So I showed up
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  Speaker 3: shut up a half hour before the shift. And there
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  Speaker 3: were like eight other people there also a half hour
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  Speaker 3: before the shift who were like resigning, and they basically
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  Speaker 3: there was there was no surprise on the faces of
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  Speaker 3: the supervisors. They're like, yeah, okay, we'll mail you your check.
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  Speaker 3: And I feel like like a seven dollars check came,
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  Speaker 3: you know, two weeks later kind of thing, but that
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  Speaker 3: was messed up. They would once you if you got
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  Speaker 3: it what they called a sale, if you got somebody
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  Speaker 3: to donate, the supervisor, who would walk around with like
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  Speaker 3: suspenders and a tie, would throw candy at you like
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  Speaker 3: that was your big gift. That was the like, oh,
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  Speaker 3: good job, kidd oh you you gotta some money and
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  Speaker 3: it you know, it doesn't take it. You used to
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  Speaker 3: figure out that you're probably not the police. You're probably
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  Speaker 3: not actually the people you say you are, since some
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  Speaker 3: strip mall in New Jersey. Anyway, I just couldn't stomach it.
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  Speaker 3: I ended up working at a farm for the rest
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  Speaker 3: of the summer, which was great for like mind and body.
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  Speaker 3: I was basically just like lifting fruits and vegetables all day.
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  Speaker 3: But I walked out of there so quick. That's the
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  Speaker 3: me being a scammer story. It lasted one day.
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  Speaker 1: I think that's really sweet, Cal that you realized, like,
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  Speaker 1: first of all, you were scammed because you came in
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  Speaker 1: thinking it was just a telemarketing opportunity and then quickly
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  Speaker 1: realized that you were shaking down society's most vulnerable people.
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  Speaker 1: And then you decided that that's not for me. And
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  Speaker 1: the scam that I don't agree with. There's some scams
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  Speaker 1: that I'm like, you're tricking the system that's already tricking us.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not mad at that, But when it comes to
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  Speaker 1: like the John fixed income, I think you did a
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  Speaker 1: wonderful thing. I think it's so funny in the script
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  Speaker 1: that obviously they already anticipate that no, and then they
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  Speaker 1: start like, well, it'd be a shame if those insures
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  Speaker 1: you ordered got swiped back criminals.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, be a.
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  Speaker 1: Shame if someone broke into your house. It's life alert.
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  Speaker 1: What if you hit the life alert and nobody come?
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  Speaker 3: Nobody comes? Don't you think they do such great work
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  Speaker 3: for the community and you're praying on you know, a
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  Speaker 3: lot of these older people are like they're lonely, you know,
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  Speaker 3: no calls necessarily, they don't have family who live with them.
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  Speaker 3: The crazier part too, I feel like, I mean, I
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  Speaker 3: was only seventeen, but I vividly remember feeling like, you know,
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  Speaker 3: some of the other people who were the telemarketers, if
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  Speaker 3: you want to and call them that, who had been
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  Speaker 3: who had been there for a while, who didn't just
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  Speaker 3: sign up and then quit the next day, although there
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  Speaker 3: were plenty who did. These were people who were like
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  Speaker 3: in their forties, their fifties. They also were vulnerable, you
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  Speaker 3: know what I mean, like.
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  Speaker 2: And probably got a criminal record whatever it was.
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  Speaker 3: I'm like, what led you to take this job where
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  Speaker 3: it's so clear that this is a huge fraud. Why
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  Speaker 3: would you do this? I didn't stick around to find out.
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  Speaker 1: But if any other company won't hire them, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: from what I've learned from speaking to people who were
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  Speaker 1: part of this, I almost wonder if you were in
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  Speaker 1: the same place, because they were also in New Jersey.
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  Speaker 1: But is that it's a lot of like ex convicts
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  Speaker 1: with like violent criminal records, but people who can't hire
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  Speaker 1: to other places and so out of desperation, they stay
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  Speaker 1: there and work there because that's the only place that's
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  Speaker 1: going to hire them.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, it's it's complicated.
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  Speaker 1: But if you do have the option to work somewhere else,
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  Speaker 1: I really think that's dope cauty, like this is not
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  Speaker 1: for me. I'm not going to be shaken out. I
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  Speaker 1: don't want to be a phone robber. I don't want
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  Speaker 1: to be like put your hand up. If you get
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  Speaker 1: in money, put the other hand and I gave it
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  Speaker 1: to me.
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  Speaker 3: No no, yeah, no, no, And I will never that
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  Speaker 3: was the one day being a scammer.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you were scammed into that, that's not your fault.
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  Speaker 1: And also it makes sense you're seventeen and they're throwing
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  Speaker 1: Tussie rolls a starburst at you. Probably not even the
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  Speaker 1: ray ones. I feel like they stand you. They were
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  Speaker 1: throwing yellows. That's not right.
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  Speaker 3: They were throwing yellows that's right, not the ones anybody wants, right.
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  Speaker 2: Scal God.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that was the That was really the I think
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  Speaker 3: the only one after that was when I got scammed
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  Speaker 3: and I was probably like twenty eight or thirty and
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  Speaker 3: what happened there that was so okay. But at this point,
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  Speaker 3: I'm an actor, right, I'm a full act. I was
• 10:45
  Speaker 3: probably on the Show House at the time, and we
• 10:48
  Speaker 3: were on one of our hiatus season hiatus breaks, and
• 10:52
  Speaker 3: I booked this small independent film that was like a
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  Speaker 3: human rights story that was filming in India. And the
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  Speaker 3: way it works, you know with independent films, is your
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  Speaker 3: agent negotiates a contract the producers of that film. Because
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  Speaker 3: it's not a big company, they escrow the money, sort
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  Speaker 3: of like if you're buying a house, right, there's an
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  Speaker 3: escrow account that's set up. Your salary is put into
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  Speaker 3: that account. You can't touch it until a certain date,
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  Speaker 3: but that shows everybody that they actually have the money.
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  Speaker 3: It's a real film, and you're going to get your
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  Speaker 3: salary at some point.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you all lay away.
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  Speaker 3: Right, yes, exactly, exactly exactly. So I was living in
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  Speaker 3: LA at the time. I agree to do this movie
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  Speaker 3: and then there are some big actors in it. I
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  Speaker 3: won't name names, but I was very excited and the salary.
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  Speaker 3: I'm telling you this because it's relevant to the story.
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  Speaker 3: My salary for the entire four week shoot was ten
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  Speaker 3: five hundred dollars for the whole thing.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, I mean it's independent.
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  Speaker 3: Independent, small film. Yes, I know. People listening are like,
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  Speaker 3: shouldn't you add a couple of zeros I've done.
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  Speaker 2: I've done one for less big actors.
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  Speaker 1: I was like, oh, yeah, that turned out to be
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  Speaker 1: a scamp storry put other day, but go ahead.
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  Speaker 3: So you know this world right now. So basically that
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  Speaker 3: I was supposed to leave to fly to India from
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  Speaker 3: LA on a Friday Friday afternoon, and on Thursday night
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  Speaker 3: the agent calls and goes, you're not getting on the
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  Speaker 3: plane tomorrow. The Monday never hit Escrow and I said, ah,
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  Speaker 3: if I don't get on the plane on Friday, then
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  Speaker 3: I don't get to India by Sunday, which means I
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  Speaker 3: don't have rehearsal with my director on Sunday. And we
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  Speaker 3: start shooting on Monday. So if I wait till Saturday,
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  Speaker 3: then I arrive on Monday and go straight to work.
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  Speaker 3: I'm like, they had the money for like an expensive
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  Speaker 3: first class ticket on a fancy airline from la to India.
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  Speaker 3: They have to do it per the contract, but I'm like,
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  Speaker 3: the cost of that is more than what I'm making
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  Speaker 3: in my salary. And by the way, I will just
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  Speaker 3: throw out my obvious son of immigrants energy here. When
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  Speaker 3: I saw the price tag on that airline ticket, I
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  Speaker 3: said to my agent, can they just give me the
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  Speaker 3: cash and I will fly myself in a middle seat
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  Speaker 3: and coach and just pocket the rest. And they're like, no,
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  Speaker 3: it doesn't work the exactly I don't care. So so
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  Speaker 3: I'm on this fancy airline. I said, if they have
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  Speaker 3: the money for the ticket, they obviously have the money
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  Speaker 3: for the salary. I'm going. My agent's like, well, then
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  Speaker 3: we can't help you. I land in India and the
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  Speaker 3: producer has picked me up from the airport, and that's
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  Speaker 3: the first time I realized that he's not a producer
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  Speaker 3: full time. He's mostly a construction guy. In India. What now, globally,
• 13:31
  Speaker 3: that's code for you're a gangster, right, right. I grew
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  Speaker 3: up in New Jersey. The construction guy's met, Oh, are.
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  Speaker 1: Gangsters for sure?
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  Speaker 3: Gangsters right.
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  Speaker 1: You didn't hear that from me though. All the construction
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  Speaker 1: guys that just land submit as far as I'm concerned.
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  Speaker 3: This guy picks me up and I say to it.
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  Speaker 3: Then it's a Sunday, and I was like, hey, sir,
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  Speaker 3: so I just checked my phone. My agent said that
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  Speaker 3: on Friday night the money for the Escro actually never came.
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  Speaker 3: I just wanted to check on that, and he goes, yes,
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  Speaker 3: of course, it's on its way. I'm like, oh, okay, okay, cool.
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  Speaker 3: So I go to rehearsal that day, I start shooting
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  Speaker 3: the movie. I check in on like Wednesday with my
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  Speaker 3: agent Colt. There's no money. The money has not arrived,
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  Speaker 3: and you started shooting this movie. So I'm like, hey, sir,
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  Speaker 3: My agent said, you know, it's Wednesday, the money's still
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  Speaker 3: not there. Yes, it was a bank call today.
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  Speaker 1: All right.
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  Speaker 3: So they start with the excuses. It was a bank holiday.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, first way, it was around the corner exactly right.
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  Speaker 3: But then it was a bank holiday, so actually it
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  Speaker 3: didn't go out yet. Okay, we'll do it on Monday.
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  Speaker 3: And I'm thinking, well, it's Wednesday Thursday, but that's fine,
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  Speaker 3: we can wait till months. No, a week has gone by,
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  Speaker 3: all right on. And I don't know if you've ever
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  Speaker 3: dealt with like Indians from India. You know those call
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  Speaker 3: center videos and audio clips, right, I'm sure you know
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  Speaker 3: these so well, that's basically how business in India is. Like,
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  Speaker 3: it's not okay, it's just it's very aggressive. Everybody hasn't it.
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  Speaker 3: Nobody's ever going to tell you no for anything. That's
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  Speaker 3: like a cultural thing, which is very sweet, but it
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  Speaker 3: doesn't mean yes. It's just that nobody's going to tell
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  Speaker 3: you no to your face.
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  Speaker 1: You have to figure out the no.
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  Speaker 3: You got to figure out the note. It's why we
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  Speaker 3: have a head wobble instead of just a yes or
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  Speaker 3: a no. There's this too, right, there's the middle grounds
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  Speaker 3: and I love it so much. I love you should.
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  Speaker 3: The head wobble is genius and I love it.
• 15:12
  Speaker 1: Confuse them, distract them.
• 15:14
  Speaker 3: So Monday comes around and I say, has the money
• 15:18
  Speaker 3: been sent? Because it's Sunday in La. I can't check.
• 15:20
  Speaker 3: He goes, the money is being sent today that Wednesday morning,
• 15:24
  Speaker 3: Tuesday night in la, there's still no money. So I go, sir,
• 15:27
  Speaker 3: the escrow has not hit. The following morning he brings
• 15:31
  Speaker 3: me the Escro document. Oh, no, of the Escro document.
• 15:36
  Speaker 3: And I was like, okay, cool. So I wait again
• 15:38
  Speaker 3: till the following monday. Now I've been there two weeks. No,
• 15:41
  Speaker 3: the money is still not their cal So I mentioned
• 15:43
  Speaker 3: one of the Indian actors, one of the Bollywood actors
• 15:46
  Speaker 3: on this movie, like, hey, isn't that crazy. They they
• 15:48
  Speaker 3: escrowed it, but it's supposed to happen instantaneously. There's a
• 15:51
  Speaker 3: swift code. These are like global transactions. It's not right.
• 15:55
  Speaker 3: It's just it's either there, it's not there. There's Oh,
• 15:58
  Speaker 3: they showed you a bank document cal on that's obviously forged.
• 16:01
  Speaker 3: I'm like, what you're telling me somebody would go through
• 16:04
  Speaker 3: the trouble of photoshopping and forging a documented We're not
• 16:06
  Speaker 3: talking about millions of dollars a year to pay me
• 16:08
  Speaker 3: ten dollars.
• 16:10
  Speaker 1: Okay, they spent it on the flight count. They spent
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: it on the light. They were like, if we show
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: him fanciness, he's not gonna notice that we didn't pay him.
• 16:18
  Speaker 3: So the Bollywood actors then start saying, cow man, this
• 16:22
  Speaker 3: is how it works here. You just have to not
• 16:24
  Speaker 3: show up to work one day and then you're gonna
• 16:26
  Speaker 3: get paid. I'm like, I can't do that. I'm under
• 16:29
  Speaker 3: a SAG union contract. You know all of this nonsense.
• 16:33
  Speaker 3: It keeps building days go by two days before the
• 16:36
  Speaker 3: movie's supposed to be done. So the third to last day,
• 16:38
  Speaker 3: I basically tell everybody I'm not coming to work until
• 16:41
  Speaker 3: I get paid. I tell all the producers, I tell
• 16:44
  Speaker 3: the construction guy. I'm realizing I've gotten scammed. I'm not.
• 16:47
  Speaker 3: I'm not showing up to work. I can't, right, otherwise
• 16:50
  Speaker 3: I got to pay out of pocket, my agent, my manager,
• 16:52
  Speaker 3: my lawyer, all that. Right. Yeah, So seven am, second
• 16:55
  Speaker 3: to last day, there's a there's a phone call, so
• 16:58
  Speaker 3: your god is downstairs. Yes, well you can let the
• 17:02
  Speaker 3: driver go for the day. I'm actually not coming in.
• 17:04
  Speaker 3: Five minutes later, the construction guy calls mister Calvin, I
• 17:08
  Speaker 3: understand we have a problem, and I'm like, no, no,
• 17:11
  Speaker 3: there's no problem, sir. I just haven't been paid and
• 17:14
  Speaker 3: so I'm not coming to work, and he goes, how
• 17:17
  Speaker 3: can you do this? If you can't come to work,
• 17:20
  Speaker 3: we can't finish the film yeah, and I lost it
• 17:23
  Speaker 3: and I go, yeah, no shit, asshole, why do you
• 17:27
  Speaker 3: like my inner? New Jersey came out. I was like,
• 17:29
  Speaker 3: I haven't been paid, you shouldn't finish your film. I
• 17:32
  Speaker 3: kind of went off and cursed at him. And as
• 17:33
  Speaker 3: soon as I was done cursing at him, I was like,
• 17:35
  Speaker 3: oh my god, this is a construction gangster in the
• 17:37
  Speaker 3: middle of India. Like, what have I just done? And
• 17:40
  Speaker 3: he goes, I see, please remain in your hotel room
• 17:44
  Speaker 3: in two hours time, my boy will come. My boy right.
• 17:48
  Speaker 3: I don't know what that means immediately go on a jog.
• 17:52
  Speaker 3: So I was like, I don't know what to do. Okay,
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: I guess I'll just stay here. So I stay in
• 17:56
  Speaker 3: the hotel room. Now, as a brown person, I will
• 17:58
  Speaker 3: just say to you, we and I'll put Indians globally
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: are never on time for anything ever, I can really promptly.
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: Two hours after this phone call, there was a knock
• 18:08
  Speaker 3: at the door and I look through the people and
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: I see the top of some child's head and I'm like,
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: oh my god. He literally sent a boy for some reason.
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: He said his home boy. He said, no a boy, no.
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: A boy.
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: He little boy.
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: I opened the door and there is a four foot
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: five inch tall, fifty eight year old man, oh okay,
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: wearing a T shirt with a panda on it that
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: says I Love Giraffe. And he's holding a brown paper bag.
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: And he hands me the brown paper bag and I
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: look inside and it's US currency bundled up and he
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: goes count it. So I was like, you want to
• 18:47
  Speaker 3: come in, No, So go in the hotel room. I
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: count it. It is exactly half of the ten five
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: hundred dollars that I'm owed, and the phone rings it's
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: the construction guy. So also caught his donstairs. I was like, nope,
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: this is half of what you owe me. Yes, I'm
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: aware of the second half you'd receive tomorrow. Okay, So
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: I go downstairs. I go to work. At this point,
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: you know, three hours late for work. Nobody's batting an eye.
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: This is just how you do business. Everyone's like, oh, great,
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: thanks for showing up. Everything's fine.
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: Now.
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: The money's in the safe in the hotel, and I'm
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: confident it's going to be gone when I get back
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: to my room. Get back to my room that night,
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: the money's still there. The following morning, they were much
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: more efficient. The guy knocks in the door, hands me
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: the other half in a brown paper bag. I put
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: it back in the safe, go to work, finish the movie.
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: Then I realized I have ten thousand, five hundred dollars,
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: and I'm like, I'm not letting them drive me to
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: the airport. This is how you get your kidney stolen.
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: This is not happening. So I speak enough hindy to
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: have woken up early that morning, put the money in
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: a backpack, grabbed my luggage, hailed a rickshaw, took it
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: to the airport like five hours early, and just like
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: kicked it at the airport, passed security. And when I
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: landed at lax I, as we're coming down, I'm like,
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: oh shit, I have more than ten thousand dollars, which
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: means you have to claire this money. Are you you're
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: supposed to? So I did I.
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: Flow with twenty?
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: I say, shit, you better cut that part out in
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: this in this climate, they will find you.
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: I said it's twenty. I say it's twenty of what
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: that's true?
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: So I stand in the red channel, okay. In at
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: Customs there's like a twenty two year old very broy
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: new Customs kid who is clearly a big Harald and
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: Kamargo to white Castle fan, and he's just like, oh shit,
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: I get what why do you Why are you here?
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: What are you declaring? And I tell him the whole
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: story that I just told you, and his face goes
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: from a giant smile to the look of disappointment and
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: he just goes, Cowpen only makes ten thousand dollars for
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: a movie, yea. And I was like, you know what,
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: it's a It's an independent human rights film. I just
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: wanted to do the right thing. I never would have
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: done this if I knew all this was gonna happen.
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: And he goes, don't worry about it. I just need
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: a photocopy of the bills and then I can give
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: them to you. Just declare it on your taxes. I'm like, yeah, obviously.
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: He's like, man, my boy, cow fell off.
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: Seriously, he was so disappointed.
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: You need a twenty you need that's terrible. I'm like, bro,
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: you're working at the airports. He has say, I know
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: you ain't get this much money for two weeks. Awork like,
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: how you gonna judge me?
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: It's aspirational and I appreciated it, but how like after
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: telling him the whole humiliating story about how I was
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: the idiot who got on the plane. I just wasn't
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: expecting him to be like, m not impressed, like you said,
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: like he did give me the U fell off.
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: Look, damn. He was like never meet your heroes.
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: Nope, he was like disappointment.
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: He went home to his girl and he said, I
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: saw a cow. Yeah, I think he might be oh crack.
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: Now he's not making money anymore, and I'm gonna go
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: further and say he's all crack.
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: Nah.
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: Now you're doing amazing, obviously, I mean, I'm sorry that
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: this happened to you. Obviously gave you an amazing story.
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: Clearly you are smart enough to know that, yeah, you
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: don't go back with the thugs when they know you
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: got cash on you, because that would be a robbery
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: situation real easily. I mean, I'm glad that they gave
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: you the money, and I'm glad that you stood up
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: and were like, Hey, I'm not coming to work unless
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: y'all run me the money. But I also understand ignoring
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: your agent when they said stay back, even though obviously
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: like that might have been the best case scenario for
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: them to pay you on time without the hustle. But
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: as an actor, I feel like not going to work
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: and I mean, you're way more established in your here
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: than I am. Like I I would be terrified of
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: that just because I'm like reputation or someone's gonna be
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: mad at me, or then people are gonna say I'm
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: not professional or whatever. It's like, if I give you
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: my word that I'm coming, then I'm gonna go.
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: That's how I felt, and I think that the difference
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: that I learned after that was like they're the ones
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: who are not honoring the contract, Like they're the ones
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: who are being unprofessional, not you. But it was also
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: just silly that there was a buffer of literally one
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: day between all of this. So I decided to take
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: a leap of faith and be like, most people are
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: good people. Let me just assume that they're all good
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: people and be there for my director.
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: But it's wild and listen, I'm not going to say
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: that they weren't good people because they did runner your coin.
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: It just they did.
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: Yes, I don't know if you would have gotten it
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: if you hadn't put your foot down. So I'm glad
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: the Bollywood actors were like, hey, this don't come to work.
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: I'm glad they did that too. But also I have
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: to say that the combination of being the child of immigrants,
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: of growing up in a place like New Jersey in
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: the eighties and nineties, like I'm savvy enough that if
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: that construction guy had said to me, hey, bro, I
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: don't want to declare this paycheck on the India side
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: because I'm going to have to pay taxes, which is
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: essentially what it was. That's why he didn't want to
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: wire the money. Then I would have been like, cool, well,
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: I'm still going to declare it because that's how I work,
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: and I have to pay a team of people on
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: the books. Give it to me in cash, I will
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: declare it to the I R S. And then we're
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: both fine. Pay me on day one. I don't understand
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: why it was, like maybe he's never gonna ask for it, Like,
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: don't don't do me like that, don't make me, don't
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: show me that you think I'm stupid, right, because then
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: I'll like and in fairness to them, like I was,
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: I waited until two days before it was done. I
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: almost gave them everything they wanted. But like you could
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: have just had a human conversation on day one and
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: been like, here's the deal on why we don't want
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: to wire this money, and we would have worked it out.
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: But the thing is is they can't trust that. You
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: wouldn't take that as a red flag because a lot
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: of actors, especially like you're established, like you're working. You
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: already have your television show that you're working on right now,
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: it's on hiatus. Like you might've heard that and be
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: like I'm like, hey, cow, hey, hey, hey, fam all right,
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: listen listen here. So we love you for the film,
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: We love you, we love you. The money thing, the
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: money thing, you know, when it comes to the payment
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: situation with the with the the payment for services, Yeah,
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: how about we not get the government involved?
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: Like you might have been like, I don't want to
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: do this anymore.
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's true. That is true.
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: Like that's a risk. When you describe it like that,
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: you say you would be reasonable. Now.
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: But if they called your like cook, so I got
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: a I got a homie, a little old homie in
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: a panda shirt that says I love jirafs.
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: If they sent a picture of that man holding a
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: brown paper bag being like this is how you're getting
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: paid are you cool with it? Hard? No, not getting
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: on the plane, Nope, absolutely not not worth it. You're right,
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: You're right.
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: Right. I've done jobs where like it's you know, out
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: of state or out of the country.
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: It's like, once I set sometimes I get anxiety.
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: Stepping on the plane because I'm like, once I get
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: on this plane and I take my body over there,
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: it's not gonna be much that I can do exactly.
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: And I've had jobs where I had to like not
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: like threaten to quit, but not like one thing that
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: I've always been aware of is like one I'm in
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: a brown body, I'm a woman, but like I'll never
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: like it's only happened once, and I'll never tell anybody
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: what programmer, show or anything that it was. But like
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: the conditions were so horrible and they kept lying about
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: fixing them that one day I just sat on the
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: floor of the set and didn't go to hair and makeup,
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: didn't go to wardrobe, just sat there on the set
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: and the people are like gaffers are gaffing, people are ringing,
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: everything's happening. And the reason I didn't sit in my
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: trailer was because I was gonna let people pay in
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: a narrative if I was some kind of diva who
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: refused to come out of her trailer, which is absolutely
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: what they would have done to me. So I sat
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: on the floor there and I was like, you have
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: to look at me, like you want to do me
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: like this, look at me, and it's oh. Within two
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: hours everything that we needed was fixed. It was crazy.
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, we've been doing this politely, through our reps,
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: through lawyers, through everything for three weeks.
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but if I threaten your money by sitting on the.
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: Floor, this is something that I think magically fixed. You
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: articulated this so well. I always find it difficult too.
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: There are some I'm not speaking for actors who are
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: who are not kind the type of scenario you just described.
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: I've been in cases where there are actors who I
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: know are wonderful people treat everybody with respect. But sometimes
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: you have to do this because people don't respect you,
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: and the channels of doing things don't open up. And
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: so the idea of I don't want to call it
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: staging a tantrum, but I'm having trouble finding the right words.
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: But getting what you need in their language is sometimes
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: the way to get things fixed. And I hate that
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: that's the case. Yes, but I've also seen it, and
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: I think your example articulates that really, well, you don't
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: want to do that. You want to follow things the
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: right way. And I'll say that ninety nine point nine
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: nine percent of people are good people in our business.
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: They do things the right way, they are respectful.
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: With that nine I'm gonna take. I'm gonna I'm gonna
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: go two point six and thirty percent got too much power.
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: So but but yeah, but no, I know, I understand
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: exactly what you're saying. And I mean, honestly, if you're
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: listening to this and it sounds like inside the actor's studio,
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: I want to relate this to everybody's life, like, if
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: you're not getting your needs met, you always have power.
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: It's so funny. Everybody wants their work delivered on time,
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: everybody wants their services delivered on time. But oh, when
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: it comes to paying you, that's when we got to
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: start getting to them NET forty fives, those net nineties.
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: It's like I have to show up on time and
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: give you the work, but then you're gonna be like, oh,
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: I'll give you the money later, Like what, No?
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: And so you really have to.
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: One use your leverage like KL did in his story
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: about these scammers, Like he knew that movie wouldn't be
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: finished without him, so he used his leverage. And once
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: you don't have any leverage anymore, then you probably not
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: gonna see that money. I'm not even gonna play with you.
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: Like I believe in the good of people. I believe
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: the children are our future. But you know it's it's
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: touch and go. So if you have needs that need
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: to be met, I strongly encourage you to sit down
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: and think about what people need from you, like what
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: leverage you have in that situation to get your needs met.
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: And I don't think it has to be like volatile.
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: I don't think it has to be anything like. I mean,
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: you see how Cow handled his situation and how I
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: handled mine. I think that you there's certain times that
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: people will do what you allow, Like they'll go right
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: up into the line. You get people an inch, they'll
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: run a five k on your ass. So like you
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: have to one teach people how to treat you and
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: to stand up for the things that you need and
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: you value, because begging when situations like it rarely works,
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: Like you have to kind of come at what they
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: need from you to get what you want from them.
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: You also don't have to raise your voice like I
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: obviously lost it for thirty seconds with but it was fun.
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: It's fun. I wish I could do it.
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: It was often the reason that the money showed up
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: is not that like it would have shown up. It
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: was not the causing whether I yelled at him or
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: whether I whether I said what I said in a
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: in a more calm tone. The fact that I was
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: not getting in the car to go to work to
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: give him the last two days is what made the
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: money show.
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: Up, exactly the money up here. Yes, people got money
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: for everything, but what they're supposed to you know what
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: I mean. Like people have McDonald's money, you just have
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: to figure out how to get it out of them.
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: And I'm gonna repeat this again. I don't know, I
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: don't think I've said it in a while. But if
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: you're working at a position, I know right now it's
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: not a great time to quit your job and look
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: for another one. But if you are working really hard
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: and someone who is an upper management or whatever wants
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: to offer you more responsibility. If they don't offer you
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: more coin, just say you know what. I'm doing great
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: with what I have. That's why I'm so efficient at it.
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: Don't work harder for no money, talking about oh, we're
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: gonna we're gonna remember this when when no, no, no, no, remember.
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: It now, remember it now and pay me yep. Otherwise
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: I'm doing my job.
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: And that's it. You know, we've all been scammed so
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: much out of like, oh, well, if you work really hard,
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: you'll get to the top. No, they're holling you like, yeah,
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: people will get people will do as much as you allow.
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: That's all I'm saying. So let's get into my favorite
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: segment here, Historic Hoodwings. This is where I were a
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: gael cow with a famous crime caper group of criminals.
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: Maybe we love them, maybe we hate them. I don't
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: know yet, neither does he. But today we're gonna take
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: it back to nineteen ninety two, Chicago parents David and
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: Sharon Shoe pulled a real life home alone and left
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: their nine and four year old daughters at home while
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: they went on a nine day vacate in Mexico. Cow Space.
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: In Mexico. I was not expecting that. I thought, you're
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: gonna be like when they went to the grocery store
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: for four hours.
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: No, it's not given latch key. Like, listen, my mom
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: was a single mom for me, like a couple of
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: years before my stepdad came into my life. And there
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: was one day that was like don't you open that
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: door for nobody? And like she was going a job
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: interview real quick.
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it was only.
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: Only happened once, but it wasn't like a booz you know. Yeah,
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: but like leaving your kids for nine days, obviously you
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: want the nine year old to watch the four year old?
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah, crazy.
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: Look at these people, Oh my god, Like, first of all, how.
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: Did they get found out?
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: We're gonna find out, okay, but I'm looking at.
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: The Sharon here, Sharon, what is going on with this haircut?
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: And why did you get it into dark?
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: Like? What?
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: Why? Why?
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: Ses? I'm sorry, but David looked like he on the list.
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: I don't want to say.
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: Yes, no, David is the one who kidnapped the children
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: to begin with.
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: Right, they're not even we find out they're not.
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: Even their kids.
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because what is going on?
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: David? You just look suspicious? But I will say he
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: does have on a three garments of cloth. We got
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: anther shirt of button down and then a jacket. And
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: there's something about that.
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: It's Chicago. They needed to escape to Mexico. They wanted
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: some warm weather, but.
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: But they didn't want to bring their kids.
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: They didn't want to bring their kids.
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: They got they got an adult's only resort, and say
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: they looked at them kids, they were like, hmmm.
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: I do like her mullet the more that I stare
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: at it.
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: I mean, I would like it if it was tapered
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: a little bit on the sides, because the mullet is back.
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: But it's just not given to me.
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: It's ninety two, right, I mean, this is this looks
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: like this looks like post vacation. So she's had some
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: chlorine in her hair the last nine days.
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: Maybe Little Song, you think this is post bak. I
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: don't know. It's given their red from the cold like
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: the wind.
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: Oh that's a good point. I mean he looks he
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: looks scared. She looks like she's enjoying the attention. But
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: maybe this isn't after you?
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: Right, yeah, and this is the nine Oh wait, okay,
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: zoom in es Are they being a restaurant?
• 34:00
  Speaker 4: Now?
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: Is there a police officer behind them? What's this black box?
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: Is that on somebody's show.
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: That an Oh good eye.
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: I'm getting better from TikTok. I'm getting better from tiksac.
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: This is an arrest photo. Oh yes, they look very
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: cute for being arrested. They were likest me.
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: I see all of us.
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: They were.
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: They must be tann because they're getting arrested.
• 34:21
  Speaker 3: That's their tan. I'm sorry, I don't mean.
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: No, no, no, please judge way everybody will see this
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: on the Instagram. We I'm going to judge the people
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: who abandon their kids all I want. Yeah, so they're
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: clearly being arrested. But she's serving face while getting arrested.
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: I'm actually, I'm actually not mad, So.
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: I want I want to fix her caller.
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: I know it's bothering me. Yeah, but she is getting arrested,
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: so everything can't be perfect. True, So a blockbuster idea.
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: The movie Home Alone came out in nineteen ninety and
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: became the highest grossing live action comedy in history, and
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: in December of nineteen ninety two, the sequel Lost in
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: New York was playing in theaters. So David and Sharon
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: maybe they were inspired by the idea. I mean it
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: was one of the most popular movies in a time
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: where everybody physically went to the movies.
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah, if it wasn't their idea, they certainly were aware
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: of it.
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: Absolutely. It had to at least have been in the
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: atmosphere because these were so extremely popular. So they never
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: admitted that they were inspired by the idea. But the
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: similarities are striking. So on December twenty first, this is
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: when the girls go over there, right and the fire
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: alarms going off, and I have a sneaking suspicion it's
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: because the nine year old was trying to cook something
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: for the four year old. Because I know in college,
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: like at my school, like they had a whole session
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: of presentation, mostly for the guys in the dorms, where
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: they were like, don't microwave dry ramen. You will set
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: your dorm room up fire. Stuff that some kids don't know.
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: I grew up learning. I'm sure you knew how to
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: cook at least a few things.
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: I knew how to cook a few things, but but
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: you learned something's the hard way, like don't put taco
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: shells in the toaster of and okay I didn't, they'll
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: catch fire.
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: I never thought of that. You're an innovator, so you're
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: a pyrotechnic innovator. And I want to go back to
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: your question Cow, because Jess told us that the couple
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: are our family abandoners. They left on December twentieth, so
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: the very next day.
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: Oh my god, they are going to leave the kids
• 36:26
  Speaker 3: for Christmas. This is definitely home alone inspired. They were
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: going to go for nine days, leaving on the twentieth,
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: coming back before New Year's If you're going to leave
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: your kids on Christmas, oh my gosh, Cow, I'm assuming that.
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: I'm assuming that they celebrate Christmas. They might be Jewish,
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: but this tendo something else.
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: It doesn't matter.
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: All the festivuses are happening during this time the holidays.
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: Yes, how are you gonna leave your kids for Quansa?
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: That's seriously, Oh that's wild.
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: That's a new creative way to get out of giving
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: your kids presents. They were like, look, we can either
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: get get them the easy bake oven, or we can
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: go to Mexico and President.
• 37:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, the President's mom and dad came back. That's creative.
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: I will lie. So Connie went over there to check
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: things out and call the fire department. There wasn't a fire,
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: but the firemen learned that the girls were at home
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: with no parents, guardians, babysitters, or even a phone number
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: to call if they needed help. We'll shout out to
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: Miss Diane for Connie rather for being across the street
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: and helping out. So all they had was a stack
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: of frozen dinners, cereal, and a note with instructions on
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: when to eat and when to go to bed. This
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: is insane, but you had to go to Mexico.
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: Oh boy the time. You know what I'm not going
• 37:59
  Speaker 3: to do if I'm nine years old and left alone
• 38:01
  Speaker 3: is follow those instructions. No, I'm not going to bed
• 38:04
  Speaker 3: when you tell me too. You left me alone for
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: eight days.
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: Also, don't rationing out my food for eight days. Leave
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: us with a bounty of.
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: Food, yes, because I'm not eating it according to your instructions.
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: Right, how do you go tell me? Well, you're gonna
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: run out if you can only have three meals a day.
• 38:22
  Speaker 3: Oh my gosh.
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: So local sheriff's department brought the girls to their grandmother's house. Now,
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: if the grandmother existed, why did y'all bring the girls
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: to the grandmother's house. Granny probably didn't want to watch
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: them for nine.
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: She obviously she must have known that they were leaving.
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: It feels like they maybe asked Granny and Granny was like,
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: I got being gold night, and then they were like, well,
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: we're going, so we're just gonna leave them, So why
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: don't you just leave in the grandma's house and speed
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: away to Mexico, Like that would be better than leaving
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: them alone.
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: So at the time, the dad, David was a forty
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: five year old engineer and the mom, Sharon, was ten
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: years younger and unemployed. They left on December twenty. It's
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: on an apple Acapolco vacation, telling Nicole and Diana, the
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: two daughters, to finn for themselves in the family's three
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: level tutor style house. The house had a pool perfect
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: for drowning, swings perfect for injuries, and a child's playhouse
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: in the backyard, which wouldn't have been very fun to
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: play in in Chicago in December. So they're like, oh,
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: we don't have to worry about childproofing the pool because
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: it's two people.
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: Y'all thought of everything.
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: Almost right, And David and Sharon didn't even stay in
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: a nice hotel once they got to Acapulco. Here's one
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: of Oprah's field reporters doing some boots on the ground reporting.
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: He's a nice either here in Chicago is Chuck Gowdy
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: And Chuck is on the phone down in Alcopolco And
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: I understand you're the only reporter down there right now, Chuck.
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: And what have you learned about the Shoes visit there?
• 39:56
  Speaker 4: Well, Oprah? It would appear at this point that the
• 39:58
  Speaker 4: Shoes had been planning this trip for at least a month,
• 40:01
  Speaker 4: planning to leave for Akapolco and leave their kids home
• 40:04
  Speaker 4: alone for Christmas. We have determined that they bought cut
• 40:08
  Speaker 4: rate round trip airplane tickets on Continental to Mexico, like
• 40:13
  Speaker 4: why am in November or so. Of course, they've told
• 40:16
  Speaker 4: police that they came here to Acapolco on a vacation,
• 40:19
  Speaker 4: but if that's the case, they certainly avoided the resort's
• 40:23
  Speaker 4: traditional vacation areas. We have learned down here that the
• 40:26
  Speaker 4: Shoes checked in without reservations to a motel in the
• 40:29
  Speaker 4: old Acapulco mountain side, a very tough place to find.
• 40:32
  Speaker 4: It's called the Hotel Versaillas. It's not listed in any
• 40:35
  Speaker 4: hotel guide. Travel agents we spoke with have never even
• 40:38
  Speaker 4: heard of it. According to the manager we debriefed over
• 40:41
  Speaker 4: a period of a couple of days. It was the
• 40:43
  Speaker 4: Shoe's first visit. He showed us the hotel records. In
• 40:47
  Speaker 4: the game, Shoes made about thirty dollars a night, which
• 40:50
  Speaker 4: is far less than the one hundred to two hundred
• 40:52
  Speaker 4: dollars per night charged by those beachside tourist hotels that
• 40:55
  Speaker 4: catered to Americans.
• 40:57
  Speaker 3: Well wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait, so
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: why did they go?
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: So they plan this a month ahead.
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: Except for the reservation, except.
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: For the reservation, so where they're going to sleep at night?
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: They get there, they go to the hood and there
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: standing the bathroom looks like like I've seen prison bathrooms
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: that look like the broken Sea. It's like it looks
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: like a you know it like a truck stop restaurant. Yeah,
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: like this is y'all's romantic vacation. These beds everything true.
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: They don't have a seat because I see that fan
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: working extra hard. It looks like about to fly out
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: the ceiling. Yeah, the bathroom sink is cracked from I
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: don't even know how you crack a bathroom sink like that.
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: Okay, now I'm starting to feel like are y'all drug mules?
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: Is this?
• 41:43
  Speaker 4: Yeah?
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: Is this crime? Because this feels like more than just
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: y'all were going on vacation and decided to home alone
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: your kids. Like this feels like something something more sinister.
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: Also, I love that everyone is shading the family for
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: being like they didn't even go on a good vacation,
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: like they left their kids at home. I can understand
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: they were going five star, but they over here slumming.
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: We don't even know how they found this ain't old
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: trip Advisor.
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: What would they do? I don't know. Something feels a
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: little more nefarious than we just wanted a vacation, because
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: if you have a three story tutor in Chicago, how
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: why would you go stay in this crack sink double
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: beds that if you put a black light on that room,
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: I'm sure the whole thing is green.
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: I mean, one thing is clear. You they this is
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: not a place for kids, because the other part of
• 42:35
  Speaker 3: me is like, like, you know, brown people usually bring
• 42:38
  Speaker 3: their kids on vacation, Like it was all the white
• 42:41
  Speaker 3: friends whose parents would go away on vacation and we're like, and.
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: They were party at my house?
• 42:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, what do you mean? You're like, I hate
• 42:49
  Speaker 3: my mom. It's like that. It's like the first time
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: you hear your white friends say that I.
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: Hate my Yeah, my parents are the Maldives, guys. I
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: got the key to the liquor cabinet.
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah that we never I mean least I
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: had never had that experience. So this so the thing
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: in my head was like, why didn't you just bring
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: the kids? Why didn't you just bring the kids? Kids
• 43:05
  Speaker 3: could have had fun. The kids would have had a
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: great time. Kids would not have had a great time.
• 43:09
  Speaker 3: We now see where they were staying. Yeah, I'm glad
• 43:11
  Speaker 3: they left the kids. I guess if they were going
• 43:13
  Speaker 3: to go.
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: Also, it feels like they were hunting on foot for
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: a place to stay because this is a thirty dollars
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: a night, yeah like place. And this is the nineties.
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: This is all right, So this is pre ride share, right,
• 43:26
  Speaker 3: pre internet. You're not looking up where it is, You're
• 43:30
  Speaker 3: like booking the taxi from the airport kind of thing.
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: Well, this is when travel agents thrived, and I guess
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: they didn't want to give a travel agent a cut.
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: So here we are. So Oprah's reporter found out that
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: the parents never made or received calls in their hotel
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: room meeting. They never even called home to see if
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: their kids were alived. Even on Christmas Day, they didn't
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: call home. And though the story about their daughters was
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: a headline on CNN while they were gone, there was
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: no TV in the hotel room, so they don't even know.
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: There's probably like a man hunt.
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: Their photos are all over.
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: They have no idea because they're in a hotel with
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: no TV and half a sink.
• 44:10
  Speaker 3: Were they renting the house?
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: I am not sure, And I'm just it has to
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: be something more nefarious than they just for a fun vacation,
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: because why if you're not gonna you're saving money on
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: leaving your kids at home, You're not even paying for childcare.
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: You couldn't use that money towards getting a like a
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: nice hotel room, you know by the beach or something.
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: You could have cut your trip shorter, and and and
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: you know, what are we doing? Why am I trying
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: to help you?
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: So?
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: Mom?
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: Does Santa Claus have to go through customs? The girls
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: were placed with their maternal grandmother and later in foster care.
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: See that grandma didn't want them babies, because why are
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: they going to foster care? Yep ye see granny said no.
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: They I definitely feel like they call granny and she
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: was like no, I got bingo she said no.
• 45:02
  Speaker 3: Or perhaps not shockingly, given now what we know about
• 45:05
  Speaker 3: the parents so far, the grandmother was maybe not in
• 45:08
  Speaker 3: a condition to care properly for those two kids.
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: I mean, at least she was alive in there to
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: call a phone.
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: Also, what's throwing me off is they they left enough
• 45:18
  Speaker 3: food and a set of written instructions, including a bedtime.
• 45:21
  Speaker 3: People like this usually don't have a bedtime for their kids,
• 45:25
  Speaker 3: you know what I mean?
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and home alone. It was like they accidentally left him.
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: It was like you have so many people that we
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: accidentally left one, whereas like you can't even say that
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: you accidentally left your kids, even though nobody would believe that.
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: But like you can't even say, like, oh, we took
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: separate cars to the airport and we thought you had them.
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: I thought you had them, but like you left instructions.
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: We were planning to abandon your kids. Oh my, so
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: at O'Hair airport, a crowd of newspaper and television reporters
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: were waiting for them, while onlookers shouted scrooge at them.
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: Wow, what a nineteen ninety three, Chicago Slow or Scrooge scrolled.
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: Also how festive of a heckling.
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: They were like, let's guess what boo boo is not
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: enough Boo is for Halloween, Scrooge is for christ.
• 46:10
  Speaker 3: I want to bring this back. I want to bring
• 46:15
  Speaker 3: back a year round Scrooge of people scooge.
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: So Kevin McAllister's family was going on vacation to Paris, right,
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: not Mexico. And in this story there weren't any wet bandits,
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: just bad parents who left their kids on purpose. But wait,
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: this wasn't their first time. Nicole and Diane had also
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: been left unattended while their parents spent four days in
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: Massachusetts the previous summer.
• 46:41
  Speaker 3: So when they were three and eight.
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, this is like such older sister trauma of like,
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: my parents keep believing me at home alone with a toddler.
• 46:50
  Speaker 3: This is crazy.
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: But you know what, that's probably why they pushed their luck.
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: They left for fourty they came back and they were like,
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: double it. House not burnt down, Okay, they like they
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: went to bed on the time, So we said, okay,
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: let's double it.
• 47:04
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: So David had gotten a pharmacy degree from the University
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: of Illinois in nineteen seventy, but surrendered his license eight
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: years later after admitting to stealing approximately nineteen hundred high
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: potency valume tablets for the drug store where he worked.
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: Then he became an engineer for a smoke alarm company.
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: Spoke alarms ain't working at will in your house, your
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: kids ran out, and it wasn't no fire. But yeah,
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: the pill, theF yep, we knew there was something else.
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: And also, David, sir, you didn't face any jail time
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: for what most certainly has to be a felony eight.
• 47:41
  Speaker 3: It must be.
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: And you went to pharmacy school. You did all this
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: education to just throw it away for nineteen hundred valume pills. Now,
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: I don't know the street value of those, but it
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: probably bought that three story house. I yeah, in nineties money.
• 47:55
  Speaker 3: Well, also, you know, like, if that's what you got
• 47:58
  Speaker 3: caught on, there was tons more that you just didn't
• 48:01
  Speaker 3: catch you on.
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: Right, you're right, you're absolutely right. Nineteen hundred feels like
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: he got greedy, but he must.
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: Have solen more.
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: He was, like they are not noticing at all. He
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: really was Nurse Jackie and that place. Yeah, yeah, you're right.
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: So David and Sharon moved to Chicago neighborhood with their
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: daughters in nineteen ninety one. Neighbors thought the shoes were reclusive,
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: since David waited until well after dark to mow his
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: lawn and Sharon didn't like to chat with people on
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: the street. How are you mowing at night?
• 48:30
  Speaker 3: It's not that hot in Chicago that you can't mow
• 48:33
  Speaker 3: during the day.
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: Night mowen, How do you see? I guess the street lights.
• 48:38
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 48:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: My grandmother lost the toe to a lawn. More so,
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: I just feel like night mowing is very bad.
• 48:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: So, after their home alone style scandal, both parents were
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: charged with two felony accounts of child abandonment, cruelty to children,
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: and a misdemeanor charge of child and dangermine. The couple
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: avoided trial through a misdemeanor plea deal and were sentenced
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: to two years of probation, which seems like not nearly enough.
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: They put their daughters up for adoption in nineteen ninety three.
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: What oh, no, I hope that a loving family adopted them.
• 49:09
  Speaker 3: Yes, of course, that's my next question. Do we know
• 49:12
  Speaker 3: what happened? Are they? Are they a great now? Are
• 49:15
  Speaker 3: they I mean, were they well cared for? They would
• 49:18
  Speaker 3: be adults now.
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they're very much adults now for sure. I mean
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: Illinois law at the time defined criminal child abandonment very loosely,
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: and Illinois Department of Children and Family Services only called
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: it abandonment if the parents didn't plan to come back.
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: So it wasn't like abandonment unless you left for real,
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: if you were like BRB, if you love the note,
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: like y'all got three square meals a day, go to
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: bed at eight, not abandon me. But I mean, like,
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: isn't this during the time where didn't y'all have the
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: like weren't there some commercials that were like, it's ten pm,
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: do you know where your kids are?
• 50:00
  Speaker 3: Well, they technically knew where they were if they were
• 50:02
  Speaker 3: following the right instruction.
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: It's to be did you abandon your kids? Or are
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: you going to come right back?
• 50:10
  Speaker 3: Eight eight days the second time?
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: So the year after the case, Illinois lawmakers drafted a
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: law that made it clear that when and for how
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: long a child could be left alone. In nineteen ninety three,
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: they changed the legal definition of child abandonment to intentionally
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: leaving a child younger than fourteen alone for twenty four
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: hours or longer. So they shored it up because lawyers
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: were definitely finding a loophole with abandonment. They were like,
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: what is abandonment? Yeah, I came back a month later,
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: so I did come back.
• 50:42
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: So it's actually not very clear how long you have
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: to be left alone legally, and it varies between different states.
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: So Illinois is one of the few states with criminal
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: laws describing a minimum age for leaving the child home alone.
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: And they also have the law you know, because of
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: the shoes. And in Oregon the minimum age is ten,
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: so that in Chicago is fourteen, in Oregon it's ten.
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: And in Maryland a child must at least be eight
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: to be left in the house or the car.
• 51:12
  Speaker 3: For how long is there a specified period of time?
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: No specified period of time here, just okay. In these states,
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: these are the ages that you can be left alone.
• 51:21
  Speaker 3: Okay, that's interesting.
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And other states have looser recommendations, including several where
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: childware welfare agencies may investigate cases involving kids as old
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: as twelve. So if you're fourteen, you can be left alone.
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: I find this very fascinating because one clearly they didn't
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: want these kids.
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: They gave them up quickly.
• 51:44
  Speaker 3: It seems they gave them.
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: Another vacation coming up, and they were like, well, I
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: guess we got to just we don't want to go
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: to jail.
• 51:52
  Speaker 3: I mean no, clearly that outcome is better than keeping
• 51:57
  Speaker 3: kids that you know that you don't have the capacity
• 52:00
  Speaker 3: to care for. That's not yeah fair of those kids. Wait,
• 52:03
  Speaker 3: do we know more about them?
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: I want to know just if you could look up
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: where those kids are today, if we know where the
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: Shoe children are, because I don't know where they are, that.
• 52:12
  Speaker 3: Seems like such a weak penalty for them. Do we
• 52:15
  Speaker 3: know where those two are now? Not the kids but
• 52:17
  Speaker 3: the parents. Yeah, I don't know where the parents are,
• 52:20
  Speaker 3: but I do. I can't tell you where the kids
• 52:21
  Speaker 3: are now. A lawyer for the girls confirmed in July
• 52:24
  Speaker 3: of nineteen ninety three that they had been placed in
• 52:26
  Speaker 3: an adoptive home and were in quotes fine, I don't
• 52:30
  Speaker 3: know what.
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: That's not on time.
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: I'm fine, that's not aspiring hope for me, Like he say, thriving,
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: he's like doing well, he said, fine.
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: He said alive. I don't know about that, he said.
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: Guys, they're all there alive and they're breathing, So next question, No,
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: we want to know how they are. A gag order
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: was issued by the presiding judge on the case, Richard D. Larson,
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: which prohibited the parties involved from discussing details of the
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: case of the children's lives right ensuring their privacy, which
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: I think that's really sweet, it is. I guess we
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: just want to know because we want to, you know,
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: feel like you're okay, But at the same time, you're right,
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: it ain't none of our damn business. As a result,
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: their current whereabouts and lives as adults are not publicly known.
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: And then as far as your question about the Shoes.
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: By December of nineteen ninety three, the couple had split
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: up and David Shoe filed for bankruptcy.
• 53:27
  Speaker 3: Oh wow, Why there was a.
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: Lot of public scrutiny they had to hide. You know,
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: they already were pretty much recluse when they moved into
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: that Chicago neighborhood. Which makes sense now because he had
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: his you know, pharmacy license, you know, his certification, like
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: all of that was stripped away after you know, the
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: nineteen hundred pills that they caught him with.
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: He was nightmowing already before the scam.
• 53:50
  Speaker 3: You will forgive me, perhaps for not having empathy for
• 53:55
  Speaker 3: analog public scrutiny nineteen ninety three public scrutiny. What somebody
• 54:00
  Speaker 3: with a film camera stand outside your house? Yeah, did
• 54:04
  Speaker 3: someone take twenty four hours to seven days to write
• 54:07
  Speaker 3: an article about you? Is that your public scrutiny?
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: You went to the grocery store and at the checkout
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: line they had one of those paper eas Yeah, gossip
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: about exactly. Come on, yeah, now, public scrutiny literally comes
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: to your immediately to your house.
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, within second, seconds, within seconds.
• 54:26
  Speaker 3: Like you can realize that you messed up for something
• 54:29
  Speaker 3: totally innocuous, and if you haven't fixed it in ninety seconds,
• 54:34
  Speaker 3: forget it. Oh, forget that. Yeah, you're done.
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: People are on tikest doing dances, they're dressing up and
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: like you at the courthouse doing your purp wald lie,
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: and then it goes viral and everybody's doing it. Yeah,
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: today's public scrutiny is way way worse. I think I
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: could take nineteen ninety three public scrutiny. As someone who's
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: been on TMZ twice, I think I could do ninety.
• 55:00
  Speaker 3: Three ninety three.
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: Right now, you got people going as you for Halloween guys.
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: No, I don't want to be in sketches. I don't
• 55:10
  Speaker 2: want to be in skins.
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah. No, you're absolutely right about that. I watched all
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: four episodes of the Diddy documentary, which on Netflix, which
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: I will not get into because it's too dark for
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: the show. But I will say that one thing that
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: came from it, because there wasn't much that is humorous
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: about it at all. It's fucking awful. But after Biggie
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: had passed away and you find out all these nefarious
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: things that Diddy was involved with in that situation. But
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: he did this huge performance which I remember as a
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: kid of like I'll be Missing You at an award
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: show and he was wearing white and watching it again
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: as an adult, like it's supposed to be a tribute
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: to this person's death. Right.
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: He comes out in all wait and he's just skimpy
• 55:51
  Speaker 2: dancing around.
• 55:54
  Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, she's having the.
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: Best damp his life and it's so like, totally it
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: does not matter. That's immediately after all four episodes of
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: the stock were out on Netflix, I got on TikTok
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: and I see people like, how did he was after that?
• 56:08
  Speaker 3: Oh?
• 56:08
  Speaker 4: No?
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: I'm like, they're already dancing like him, and I'm like, see,
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: that's why I like, you don't want you don't want
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty five scrutiny, because they will be they are quick.
• 56:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you're right. You're right.
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: You haven't left the courthouse. Thanks, yes, whoa. Unfortunately for
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: these people, it doesn't look like things worked out too
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: well for them for leaving their children behind as it shouldn't,
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: Like what are you doing? Not everybody needs to have children?
• 56:40
  Speaker 3: Thank you? Sorry? I came in too hot.
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: No, I love it now, there's no such thing as
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: coming in too hot. Here, Cow, I love it. I
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: love the energy, I love the feather, the fever.
• 56:51
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: Oh but y'all. That brings us to the end of
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: another very fun episode. Y'all make sure to check out
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: Cow's podcast, Here we Go Again? Where He Why does
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: History Keep Repeating Itself? A co production of iHeart Podcasts
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: and Snapoo Media. Yes, get into that here we go again.
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: I know I've been saying that all year long. Every
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: day I get up and I'm like, here we go again,
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: especially if I'm watching the news, I'm like, here we
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: go again. I can't believe the news every day, truly,
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: like this man is crazy.
• 57:20
  Speaker 3: This is why we wanted to do this podcast is
• 57:23
  Speaker 3: I think a lot of us are. You look at
• 57:25
  Speaker 3: things in the news and you're like, didn't this just
• 57:27
  Speaker 3: happen or hasn't this happened before? Why do I feel crazy?
• 57:30
  Speaker 3: And we're like, what if there's a what if there's
• 57:32
  Speaker 3: a podcast that puts this kind of stuff in context?
• 57:35
  Speaker 3: It's not political, it's more like pop culture and history
• 57:37
  Speaker 3: that makes you at least understand the parameters of things.
• 57:40
  Speaker 3: So like our first our first episode was with Bill
• 57:44
  Speaker 3: Nye everybody loves Bill n the science guy, to talk
• 57:49
  Speaker 3: about the space race because back in the day, in
• 57:51
  Speaker 3: the eighties and nineties, it was like the only reason
• 57:54
  Speaker 3: there was a space race was because the US and
• 57:56
  Speaker 3: the Soviet Union were in this race, right, this the
• 57:59
  Speaker 3: Cold Old War arms race? Yes, and so who can
• 58:02
  Speaker 3: go to the moon first? Who can put something in
• 58:03
  Speaker 3: space first? Now it's basically like billionaire versus billionaire. Things
• 58:08
  Speaker 3: have become privatized, so there's this whole space exploration thing
• 58:11
  Speaker 3: that's funded by these billionaires and their families. Basically, so
• 58:15
  Speaker 3: I want.
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: It cars or but yeah, stratusy or yeah.
• 58:18
  Speaker 3: Right, but it's easy to look at those and then
• 58:20
  Speaker 3: feel cynical. But I'm like, you know who can probably
• 58:22
  Speaker 3: explain this to us in the right way is Bill Nye?
• 58:25
  Speaker 3: Like you love science, we all love exploration, you love
• 58:29
  Speaker 3: the idea of astronomy. I don't want a billionaire to
• 58:32
  Speaker 3: explain this to me. Bill Nye, please explain to me
• 58:34
  Speaker 3: the difference between nineteen eighty space Exploration and now. So
• 58:37
  Speaker 3: the whole each podcast is basically the opposite of how
• 58:41
  Speaker 3: icky you feel when you watch the news. We wanted
• 58:43
  Speaker 3: to like flip the script and be like, what can
• 58:45
  Speaker 3: I actually learn from this? Where do I fit into?
• 58:47
  Speaker 3: Why things feel deja VUIs and feel like they're repeating themselves.
• 58:51
  Speaker 3: So check it out if you like it.
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I love that. I love it, And also like,
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: I love Bill Night. I grew up on Bill Nina,
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: science guy. He's so entertaining too, Like that's who I
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: want to hear from. I won't why. I was on
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: NPR and I did ask like a NASA scientist. I
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: was like, did we really go to the mole?
• 59:08
  Speaker 3: Oh? I be forrue what they say?
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: She's like, yes, we did. We did. Like look, I'm
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: not a flat Arthur, but I'm just like, I don't
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: know the Americans like our government last us so much.
• 59:25
  Speaker 3: We talked about this with Pete Boudage, who was the
• 59:28
  Speaker 3: former Transportation Secretary. I asked him a bunch of questions
• 59:31
  Speaker 3: because I'm like, you know, like, our trust in public
• 59:33
  Speaker 3: institutions is at an all time low right now for
• 59:35
  Speaker 3: good reason. But there's a difference between shattering that and
• 59:39
  Speaker 3: then really believing nothing. So I had the former Transportation
• 59:43
  Speaker 3: secretary on, could have asked him anything. My biggest question
• 59:46
  Speaker 3: for him, I feel like you do this a lot too,
• 59:47
  Speaker 3: because I have your own pod is I'm like, can
• 59:50
  Speaker 3: you please tell me on the rare occasion when my
• 59:52
  Speaker 3: flight arrives early and you're on the tarmac and they go,
• 59:57
  Speaker 3: ladies and gentlemen, we'll be sitting here for about thirty
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 3: five minutes, there isn't a gate ready for us. They
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 3: just didn't know that we were coming. So if you
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 3: can just hang tight, we'll do everything we can't What
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 3: do you mean they didn't know we were coming. Literally,
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 3: the way this technology works is they tracked us on
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 3: the radar the whole time. They knew exactly where we were,
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 3: and they gave us a clearance to land. They knew
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 3: where we were. How come there's no gate open? What
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 3: do you mean they didn't know we were coming. That's
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 3: like the biggest bullshit I've ever heard. Right, small grievances, Well, listen.
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: The psychology of that is if you give people any excuse,
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: they'll just accept it and they'll be more calm.
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 3: Absolutely, is this enrages me?
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: Like recently, just it was supposed to go to Miami
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: and it went to Jamaica and they landed in Jamaica
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: and everybody was like, what wait a minute.
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 3: Why are we in Jamaica? And Pete was like, I mean,
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 3: it's frustrating, he said. The honest answer is obviously they
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 3: knew where you were. I don't. They shouldn't be lying
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 3: to people like that. But the real answer is there
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 3: are the way that gates actually work and operate. Is
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 3: there booked in advance, so there is if your plane
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 3: arrives before your slot and all the other gates are full,
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 3: and let's say there are only five gate operators who
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 3: know how to operate the jet bridge, and if they
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 3: can't go to all twenty gates, then they can't use
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 3: all twenty gates. So you actually have to wait for
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 3: a gate to open up. So I'm like, okay, so
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 3: that sounds like we just need to hire more gate
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 3: people then, because the gates are there, I can see
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 3: one that's open, you know.
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 2: Now that's you looking out the window, like, what about there?
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 2: What about beats well?
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 3: To me? Exactly fine with me. To me, it all
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 3: boiled down to like just don't lie to us. I
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 3: feel like we get to your point about like who
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 3: can you trust now? Right? So I was happy to
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 3: clear that up.
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 2: I love that.
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: It's interesting too if they know there's only a finite
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: amount of gates, like why pilots are like so I
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: feel like they're just up there doing their own challenges
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 1: of how fast they can get places. Because I've definitely
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: been on a plane before. And the pilot he was
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: on the cockpit and he was like, hey, guys, I
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: know we've been on the tip. I'm back for a
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: little while, but don't worry. Once we get in there,
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna fly this thing like we stole it. And
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: I was like what, Like we all laugh. We're also
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: like a little like how what do you mean by that? No,
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: it's so interesting like talking to people that's really dope.
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: I think this is like a really nice slice of
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: pie after like swallowing, like just like the worst prune
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: juice of news every day, you know what I mean,
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 1: Like something nice to be informative and maybe give us
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: a little bit of hope. I'm so into hope core. Yeah,
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: like when mom Donnie won, I was in Ireland and
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 1: I was crying, like I can't wait to go. Yeah,
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: he's not my mayor, but I'm like, he is your mayor.
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  Speaker 3: He's your mayor. We include you in New York.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you, Thank you. I like to be included, but
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  Speaker 1: thank you so much. And if you guys want to
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  Speaker 1: learn more, which I can't, I got to listen to
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  Speaker 1: Bill and I'm literally gonna run over there right now
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  Speaker 1: because I gotta do some chores and I love to
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  Speaker 1: listen to a podcast when I do chores. So here
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  Speaker 1: we go again, y'all on iHeart podcast and Snapoo Media.
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  Speaker 1: Cal Thank you so much for being here today. This
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  Speaker 1: was so much fun. I learned so much.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you, thanks for having met me. I had a blast.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, is there anywhere else that you want people to
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  Speaker 1: follow you? Any social media? Any upcoming projects, anything you
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  Speaker 1: want to play?
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  Speaker 3: Thank you for asking so Here we Go Again is
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  Speaker 3: my main podcast. I also have a podcast about books
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  Speaker 3: and audio books with ed Helms called Earsay that's also
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  Speaker 3: in my Heart podcast. It is hilarious, Thank you. And
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  Speaker 3: then I wrote a book that's came out a couple
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  Speaker 3: of years ago. I also narrate the audiobook. It's called
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  Speaker 3: you Can't Be Serious. You can grab it wherever you
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  Speaker 3: get your books and audio books. And I'm on Instagram
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  Speaker 3: at cal penk A L P E N N Yes perfect.
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  Speaker 1: It's always if y'all want to see the photos today
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  Speaker 1: and the videos scam Beats pod on Instagram if you
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  Speaker 1: want to follow me and my Shenanigan's d I V
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  Speaker 1: A l A C I dep A Lacy on all platforms.
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  Speaker 2: Going Dutch.
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  Speaker 1: Season two out on Fox January fifteenth. Y'all back in
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  Speaker 1: the States, y'all put the show in your eyeballs, okay,
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  Speaker 1: keep me employed in all of my jobs. My book
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  Speaker 1: Scam God is available anywhere you get your books that
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  Speaker 1: I also narrated my audiobook. You can get that anywhere
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  Speaker 1: you like to put stuff.
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  Speaker 2: In your ears.
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  Speaker 1: Uhs, y'all congregation, I have some live show dates. I'm
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  Speaker 1: gonna go on.
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  Speaker 2: A tiny little Mini tour in spring.
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  Speaker 1: I would drop those dates for y'all very soon so
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  Speaker 1: you can get your tickets. We're gonna turn up and
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  Speaker 1: have a great time. As always, Congregation, I want you
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  Speaker 1: all to get out there and stay stay home alone.
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  Speaker 3: You're gonna have people leaving their kids for eight days.
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  Speaker 1: Well yeah, leave your keys. No no, no, don't leave
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  Speaker 1: your keys, Okay, Damn Goddess. Scam Gottes stars and it's
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  Speaker 1: hosted by me Lacy Mostly aka Scam Goddess. Our producer
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  Speaker 1: is Jessicasis Neros, and our audio engineer is Rich Garcia.
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  Speaker 1: Research for the show is conducted by Kate Doyle Stay
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  Speaker 1: Schemin