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Inside The Tape With Greg Cosell: How The Bears "Changed The Picture From Pre-Snap to Post-Snap" · Inside the Birds: A Philadelphia Eagles Podcast

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Speaker 1: Hello, everyone.
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Speaker 2: Welcome to Inside the Tape on Inside the Birds. I'm
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Speaker 2: Jeff Mosher with Adam Kaplan. And of course, when we're
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Speaker 2: breaking down tape, we have the man Greg Cosell with
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Speaker 2: us to break down tape of, well, an ugly Eagles loss,
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Speaker 2: their first loss of the year. They fall in Chicago
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Speaker 2: on Monday Night Football to the Bears, 27-7.
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Speaker 1: And the Eagles score seven points.
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Speaker 2: Greg, it's the first time that they've been held to
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Speaker 2: seven points since Sirianni's first year as head coach, so
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Speaker 2: that's a long time, and we have a lot to
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Speaker 2: discuss because I think what we saw validated a lot
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Speaker 2: of what we have all talked about, whether it's this
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Speaker 2: or the pregame show, about living too much in third
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Speaker 2: and long and second and long and asking your offense
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Speaker 2: to bail out of those situations. What was your takeaway
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Speaker 2: when you Watch the entire tape of the offense.
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Speaker 3: Well, I stopped watching after the first two plays. It
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Speaker 3: looked like they were going to score 40. 19 yards
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Speaker 3: to Lemon, and Barkley ran for 12. And, you know,
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Speaker 3: it was bedtime. So, you know, I thought– I figured
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Speaker 3: I'd wake up and I'd see, you know, Eagles 40,
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Speaker 3: you know, Bears 30, and, you know, it all would
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Speaker 3: be good. I guess it didn't work out that way.
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Speaker 1: Well, the Bears almost got 30, so you're right.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah. One side, dude. Imagine your surprise. The
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Speaker 3: number one issue was the pass game, clearly. because they
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Speaker 3: actually ran the ball well. In fact, in the first half, Barkley,
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Speaker 3: I think, had 11 for 73. They focused their run
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Speaker 3: game for the most part to the left side of
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Speaker 3: the offensive line. I thought they ran it well. It
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Speaker 3: was all outside zone based and it looked pretty good,
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Speaker 3: you know, at halftime. And it was only 10-7. Obviously,
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Speaker 3: seven's not enough points. But you kind of felt, you know,
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Speaker 3: I kind of felt watching the tape. And even I
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Speaker 3: think the first play of the third quarter, they had
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Speaker 3: a good run you kind of felt like, you know what,
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Speaker 3: they can kind of run the ball here and see
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Speaker 3: what happens as we continue. But it was the pass game.
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Speaker 3: And I thought that in particular on those third downs
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Speaker 3: and pure pass situations, Jeff, that you mentioned that they
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Speaker 3: struggled with, I thought Dennis Allen just did a really,
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Speaker 3: really good job. He did such a good job of
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Speaker 3: changing the picture pre-snap to post-snap. And there were times where,
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Speaker 3: you know, Jalen got stuck. And not necessarily a fault
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Speaker 3: of his own, but what he did is, here was
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Speaker 3: his basic premise, Dennis Allen. He'd line up in pressure fronts.
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Speaker 3: So there'd be six, seven, at times even eight-man fronts.
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Speaker 3: So you've got to protect against that because you don't
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Speaker 3: know who's coming and who's not coming. So very often
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Speaker 3: they'd have to keep a back and or a tight
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Speaker 3: end in. And then what he would do is he
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Speaker 3: would drop out of that and rush four. So they'd
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Speaker 3: have three primary receivers running routes because a tight end
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Speaker 3: at a back would essentially be in. And he'd have
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Speaker 3: three receivers working against seven in coverage, which was often
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Speaker 3: cover two. So, you know, Dennis Allen did that numerous
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Speaker 3: times in the game in those third down and pure
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Speaker 3: pass situations. And it kind of left the Eagles stuck
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Speaker 3: in the pass game. So they had no intermediate pass
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Speaker 3: game whatsoever. I mean, other than the fade ball to Smith,
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Speaker 3: which I can't remember did that happen in the third quarter,
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Speaker 3: which was just a one-on-one situation.
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Speaker 1: That was the last drive of the second quarter when
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Speaker 1: they scored.
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Speaker 3: The last drive of the second quarter. That's correct. I
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Speaker 3: believe it was a touchdown drive. You might be right.
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Speaker 3: But yeah, you know what here, like a great example
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Speaker 3: is the first third and long of the game. And
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Speaker 3: it was third and 16. That's tough to convert, but
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Speaker 3: that's what the bears did. They actually played three to
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Speaker 3: six times because they kept pushing and Edwards in. And, and,
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Speaker 3: you know, what they did is they showed an eight
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Speaker 3: man pressure front with a post safety. And at the snap,
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Speaker 3: they dropped into cover too. So what the Eagles did
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Speaker 3: is they kept seven into protect with three primary route
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Speaker 3: runners and Hertz had to check it down to a
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Speaker 3: month for four yards, you know, he had no choice.
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Speaker 3: So they did that kind of thing. And there was
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Speaker 3: another play and I'm trying to remember it. He might've
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Speaker 3: gotten sacked on it or, but it was the same
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Speaker 3: kind of situation.
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Speaker 1: We have it. We'll take a look at it later
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Speaker 1: in the show.
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Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah. I think it might've been, I mean, there
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Speaker 3: was that, that obviously the, the one that Edwards knocked
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Speaker 3: down was third and five, you know, which was the
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Speaker 3: first third down in the third quarter where they did
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Speaker 3: the same thing. And, and he thought he had a
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Speaker 3: clean quick throw to, you know, a pitch and catch
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Speaker 3: throw to hurts on the quick angle route. And, you know,
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Speaker 3: obviously Edwards dropped out. Um, and, and, you know, Hertz
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Speaker 3: just didn't expect that at all. So, you know, that
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Speaker 3: was sort of the Dennis Allen game plan and it
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Speaker 3: proved to be very effective. And other than the Smith
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Speaker 3: fade ball, they had no pass plays of 20 yards
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Speaker 3: or more. And their, their past game was, was kind
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Speaker 3: of non-existent. Um, cause they actually did run it well.
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Speaker 3: Obviously the run game became a non-factor as the game progressed,
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Speaker 3: you know, late third quarter into the fourth quarter. Um,
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Speaker 3: of the score but you know they just had no
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Speaker 3: pass game.
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Speaker 4: Greg the one thing that stood out to me and
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Speaker 4: you talked about the lack of intermediate passing game was
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Speaker 4: the absence of goddard it seemed like having no athletes
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Speaker 4: at that position crushed them in this game because that's
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Speaker 4: what you talk over too and they're playing their safeties
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Speaker 4: deep and they're not going to take they're taking everything
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Speaker 4: away you've taught us on this show that they're always
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Speaker 4: voids and zone defenses well you do that with a
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Speaker 4: tight end and we could run.
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Speaker 3: Yeah and they don't have a tight end right now
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Speaker 3: i mean yeah You know, I'm sure for Eagles fans,
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Speaker 3: you know, who've loved him for years, it was wonderful
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Speaker 3: to see Zach Ertz play 19 or 20 snaps. But obviously,
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Speaker 3: as Adam, you had discussed on our pregame show, you know,
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Speaker 3: he can't do that. You know, he's not that kind
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Speaker 3: of player, you know. So, I mean, he's basically, you know,
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Speaker 3: a five-yard player at this point in his career. And obviously,
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Speaker 3: Johnny Munson there is a blocker, and he's very good
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Speaker 3: at it, by the way, but that's why.
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Speaker 1: He's, you know.
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Speaker 3: And then they play Jenkins some snaps, but they don't
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Speaker 3: have a tight end right now. who's a, who's a
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Speaker 3: viable receiving threat.
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Speaker 1: All right.
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Speaker 2: So two questions I have for you off that based
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Speaker 2: on tape from this game and then just an overall philosophy.
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Speaker 2: One would be that approach you're talking about that Dennis
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Speaker 2: Allen took of showing pressure fronts, but dropping a lot.
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Speaker 2: If I recall, I don't know if you remember Greg,
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Speaker 2: I feel like that was a very similar blueprint to
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Speaker 2: what the bucks did last year in the second half
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Speaker 2: against the Eagles and also the.
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Speaker 1: Broncos did last year.
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Speaker 2: So, um, is that just standard SOP for what defensive
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Speaker 2: coordinators like to do?
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Speaker 3: Well, no, because, you know, it's funny. We talked about
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Speaker 3: the fact that at times they've had a lot of
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Speaker 3: success against Brian Flores and the Vikings, and he does
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Speaker 3: that kind of thing too. That's why I'm not a
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Speaker 3: blueprint guy. It worked in this game. I mean, you
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Speaker 3: think this was the first time anyone ever thought of this? No,
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Speaker 3: of course not. So, you know, it worked in this game. Now, look,
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Speaker 3: I I don't know Sean Mannion. This is not a
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Speaker 3: knock on Sean Mannion. He's in his third game as
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Speaker 3: an offensive coordinator in the league. I think most people
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Speaker 3: would say in any job, when you're new at a job,
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Speaker 3: it probably takes you a little time to kind of
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Speaker 3: get acclimated. So you're dealing with a veteran NFL D
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Speaker 3: coordinator who's been doing it probably for close to 30
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Speaker 3: years and is viewed as one of the absolute best
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Speaker 3: against a, you know, a newborn as it were. offensive
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Speaker 3: coordinator and i know fans because there's only 17 games
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Speaker 3: maybe fans think oh well this guy stinks now he's
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Speaker 3: in his third game as an offensive coordinator in his
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Speaker 3: life against a guy who's a great d coordinator you
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Speaker 3: know and you know you got to learn i mean
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Speaker 3: obviously you hope you can win a game as you're
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Speaker 3: learning but they lost the game but now you know
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Speaker 3: now you learn yeah ideally You know, all I've heard,
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Speaker 3: I don't know Sean Mannion. I've heard that he's an
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Speaker 3: incredibly intelligent young man and he's going to be great,
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Speaker 3: you know. But, you know, you got to learn. It
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Speaker 3: takes time. And this was just kind of, I don't
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Speaker 3: want to say he was schooled because that makes it
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Speaker 3: sound bad. And I'm not, like I said, this is
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Speaker 3: not a knock. It's just the way it is with anybody. Hey,
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Speaker 3: my third, you know, my third day in NFL film
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Speaker 3: was back 100 years ago. You know, did I know everything?
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Speaker 3: Of course not. You know, I didn't know anything, to
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Speaker 3: be honest. You know, I mean, that's the way this
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Speaker 3: stuff kind of works.
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Speaker 2: Right.
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Speaker 1: Wait a minute. You're 105. Wait a minute. How are
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Speaker 1: you 170?
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Speaker 3: I was a little.
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Speaker 1: Younger than I thought, but anyway. I was so much
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Speaker 1: older then.
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Speaker 3: I'm younger than that now. Right.
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Speaker 2: And anybody who thought because Mannion coached for Green Bay
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Speaker 2: and he saw Dennis Allen twice a year, that's different.
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Speaker 2: I mean, now you're in– yes, you may have an
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Speaker 2: idea of his concept, but when you're calling the plays,
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Speaker 2: that becomes– Yeah.
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Speaker 3: And then you get into the game adjustments, which, you know,
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Speaker 3: don't forget, it's easy for a fan to sit here
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Speaker 3: and say, well, they didn't adjust. Well, you know, come on.
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Speaker 3: You know– The plays happen. You've got 35 seconds to
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Speaker 3: call the next play. You know, maybe he's showing you
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Speaker 3: something you didn't quite expect in that given way. And
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Speaker 3: maybe the play that you're ready to call on the
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Speaker 3: call sheet isn't the one you really want to call
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Speaker 3: based on what you've just seen. You know, there's all
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Speaker 3: kinds of things going on. And, you know, it's a
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Speaker 3: learning experience. And then, you know, I'm not to go up.
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Speaker 3: I know there's 17 games, you know, people, you know
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Speaker 3: how people are, you know, it's not a matter of
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Speaker 3: defending Sean Mannion. I, you know, I've been doing this
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Speaker 3: a long time. I don't need to defend Sean Mannion.
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Speaker 3: I'm just trying to point out a reality of life
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Speaker 3: when you're starting out and you're up against a guy
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Speaker 3: that's been doing it for a really long time and
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Speaker 3: is really, really good at it.
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Speaker 4: Greg, what were some of the things that may be
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Speaker 4: going for, cause you know, you've seen the way you
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Speaker 4: saw what Dennis Allen did. So this could be some
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Speaker 4: things that we'll see going for what other teams do. So,
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Speaker 4: What's a good way to beat what Dan Allen's doing
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Speaker 4: with the personnel that the Eagles have?
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Speaker 3: Is there anything they could do differently going forward? That's
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Speaker 3: a great question, and it's hard. I mean, that's why
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Speaker 3: teams do have problems with Brian Flores, you know, because
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Speaker 3: the bottom line is, Adam, when people put a lot
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Speaker 3: of people on the line of scrimmage, and not every
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Speaker 3: team wants to do that because there are coaches who believe, God,
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Speaker 3: if I put everybody on the line of scrimmage, you know,
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Speaker 3: some guys don't get back to where they need to
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Speaker 3: be in their zones quick enough. You know, it's it's
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Speaker 3: it's the hold your water thing. You know, you're trying
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Speaker 3: to wait as long as possible. You know, sometimes guys
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Speaker 3: can't do that really well. Guys have to get to
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Speaker 3: an exact spot because they're not matching up man to man.
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Speaker 3: So they've got to get to an exact spot. You
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Speaker 3: need certain players to do it, who can do it well.
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Speaker 3: I mean, a TJ Edwards is an incredibly intelligent player,
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Speaker 3: as we know from Philadelphia. Um, You know, I'm trying
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Speaker 3: to think of some of their other players, you know, but,
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Speaker 3: you know, you need certain kinds of players. You know,
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Speaker 3: it's like in Minnesota, like the Andrew Van Ginkles of
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Speaker 3: the world, just really smart. Harrison Smith for years and years.
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Speaker 3: You know, everything I heard is he basically is a
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Speaker 3: coach on the field. He knows where everybody is supposed
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Speaker 3: to be. And, you know, you need those kinds of players.
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Speaker 3: So you can't just say, well, everybody's going to do
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Speaker 3: it now. You know, teams might try it, but so–
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Speaker 3: but the bottom line is to answer your question, the
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Speaker 3: biggest issue becomes the protection part, because, you know, you
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Speaker 3: can't assume that some guys may not come, you know, look,
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Speaker 3: they're not going to, we know they're not going to
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Speaker 3: rush eight, you know, no one rushes eight, but you know,
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Speaker 3: you just, you don't know for sure. And the bottom
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Speaker 3: line is you don't have a pass game without protection.
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Speaker 3: So you've got to at least make sure you have
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Speaker 3: some way to protect. Here, I'll give you an example
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Speaker 3: of the play that, that Edwards knocked down when he
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Speaker 3: dropped out. I mean, we can sit here and say that, that, well,
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Speaker 3: Jalen has to know that. And, and look, maybe that's
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Speaker 3: one of the things that should go through your mind
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Speaker 3: that people are going to drop out. But when he
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Speaker 3: let that ball go, he thought he had a pitch
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Speaker 3: and catch throw to Zach Ertz and that they were
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Speaker 3: going to get a first down, you know? So obviously
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Speaker 3: he dropped that. And Edwards, by the way, did an
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Speaker 3: unbelievable job because he literally took like three steps forward.
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Speaker 3: I mean, he didn't, he didn't immediately drop out because
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Speaker 3: if he immediately dropped out, he wouldn't have thrown the ball.
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Speaker 3: But so it's hard, Adam. I mean, you know, the
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Speaker 3: thing is, is because people are racing back, there can
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Speaker 3: be voids in coverage. The question is, can you, can
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Speaker 3: you get the ball down the field? In other words,
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Speaker 3: you feel comfortable with deeper drops to get the ball
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Speaker 3: down the field, right?
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Speaker 5: Sure.
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Speaker 3: They're counting on you. Even if you quote unquote beat
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Speaker 3: it to throw it quick, and then they're going to
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Speaker 3: tackle you. And then you're still going to punt if it's,
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Speaker 3: you know, if it's third and 11, even if you
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Speaker 3: beat it and you throw it for five yards, theoretically,
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Speaker 3: they're going to tackle you.
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Speaker 2: So I think the answer to Adam's question really comes
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Speaker 2: down to the basic principle that we repeatedly talk about
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Speaker 2: week after week. If you want to avoid or counter
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Speaker 2: having these unique pressure packages that wind up being disguises,
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Speaker 2: you have to stay out of third. Because teams aren't
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Speaker 2: going to play that on first and second down. You
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Speaker 2: have to run the ball effectively and put the defense
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Speaker 2: on its toes effectively.
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Speaker 1: In more manageable down and distance.
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Speaker 3: Unless you're nuts like Ryan Torres who does that. Very
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Speaker 3: few coaches will do that.
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Speaker 1: That's correct.
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Speaker 3: Very few coaches will do that.
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Speaker 1: The Eagles were doing that for the first quarter. They
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Speaker 1: were running the ball well.
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Speaker 3: They ran the ball well.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 5: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: But then they couldn't sustain that. So I wonder this, Greg,
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Speaker 2: that piggybacks off the conversation. Then we'll look at some
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Speaker 2: footage in a second. While you watch tape and you
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Speaker 2: see what the Eagles want to do and are trying
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Speaker 2: to do. And, you know, Adam and I ask you, well,
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Speaker 2: how can you adjust to this?
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Speaker 1: Or, Can you do that?
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Speaker 2: I do sometimes wonder if there's a little bit of
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Speaker 2: a square peg round hole thing going on where your
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Speaker 2: wide receivers need to be better blockers on the edges
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Speaker 2: to run the wide zone.
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Speaker 1: They're not. Your tight ends need to be able to
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Speaker 1: do lead blocks on bubbles. They're not.
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Speaker 2: Your running backs, if they're going to stay in, need
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Speaker 2: to be able to pass protect well. They don't really
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Speaker 2: have that. So it seems like there's a battle going
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Speaker 2: on of what they want to do versus what they're
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Speaker 2: able to do, like knowing your personnel.
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Speaker 3: Well, the other thing too, is you just nailed a
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Speaker 3: great point, which we've talked about numerous times, Jeff, and,
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Speaker 3: and it showed up again in this game is, you know,
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Speaker 3: Barkley got jacked up again by, by the linebacker Jackson
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Speaker 3: on a, on a bliss, you know, he's not a
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Speaker 3: very good pass protector and you don't think teams know that.
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Speaker 3: And you don't think teams set their pressure schemes so
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Speaker 3: that Barkley has to pass protect. You can set your
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Speaker 3: fronts and your pressure scheme. So the back has to protect.
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Speaker 3: I mean, that's, that's just basic ways to attack protections. And,
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Speaker 3: you know, he's, that's, It's becoming an issue. I mean,
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Speaker 3: he was never good at it, you know, but it
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Speaker 3: never seemed to be a major issue. It's becoming an issue,
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Speaker 3: you know, and look, I don't know the answer. I'm
14:20
Speaker 3: not going to sit here and say, you know, you
14:21
Speaker 3: got to sit him down. I mean, he actually ran
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Speaker 3: well last night. I thought, you know, it was all
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Speaker 3: outside zone. I thought he made a couple of good cuts.
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Speaker 3: I thought he looked pretty comfortable. You know, I mean,
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Speaker 3: he ran well. That first half, they ran the ball
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Speaker 3: very well. I mean, if that was a normal game
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Speaker 3: and they were able to get him 25 carries, he
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Speaker 3: had 73 yards in the first half. He might have
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Speaker 3: gained 140 yards, you know, but obviously it didn't play
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Speaker 3: out that way.
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Speaker 4: The one thing I would add is, at this point,
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Speaker 4: because Shipley's arguably the best pass protector, why not just
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Speaker 4: go with Shipley totally on third down? Like, eliminate Barkley
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Speaker 4: from the.
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Speaker 3: And they may have to go that route. Again, I'm
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Speaker 3: not going to sit here and say no more than
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Speaker 3: the coaches. They're there every day. You guys know I
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Speaker 3: don't do that. I don't say here's what they should
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Speaker 3: be doing. I'm not that guy.
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Speaker 2: Usually you have to hit rock bottom, Adam, for coaches
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Speaker 2: to really want to– Well.
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Speaker 4: Honestly, Shipley is a good third down back. He's a
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Speaker 4: better protector. He's not great at it. He's getting better.
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Speaker 4: And he's got some juice in the pass game.
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Speaker 3: Because this can't continue.
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Speaker 4: We told people when he got here, there's one issue
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Speaker 4: that he has as pass pro. It's progressively gotten worse.
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Speaker 4: And now he's wearing the neck protection. And then you
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Speaker 4: have him out when Jackson jacked him up. He went
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Speaker 4: right through him, and you saw his neck go back.
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Speaker 4: I'm like, geez, should he really.
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Speaker 3: Be out there? Look, there's no question that this is
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Speaker 3: something they will have to deal with, not only Barkley,
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Speaker 3: but just this particular kind of defensive look that Dennis
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Speaker 3: Allen gave them. Will every team do it? Not every team.
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Speaker 3: You know, they did have veteran safeties. I guess Cam
18:41
Speaker 3: Lewis might have tore his Achilles, but they were playing
18:43
Speaker 3: you know, in their base defense, which by the way,
18:45
Speaker 3: they played a ton of, they played a ton of
18:47
Speaker 3: base defense, even versus 11 personnel. So they had Cam
18:51
Speaker 3: Lewis and they had Xavier Woods, you know, when they
18:54
Speaker 3: have Thinaman, who's a really smart guy, you know, so
18:57
Speaker 3: they had a lot of guys who are smart and
18:59
Speaker 3: can handle this kind of stuff, you know, cause Thinaman is, is,
19:02
Speaker 3: you know, and then, and then you also get situations
19:05
Speaker 3: that are game changers, like when Dalton threw the interception,
19:08
Speaker 3: which is, was mind boggling to me. I mean, I,
19:10
Speaker 3: you know, Again, he's a veteran. I don't understand that.
19:13
Speaker 3: It was a post-safety look from the very beginning of
19:16
Speaker 3: the play. Where did he think Thineman was going to be?
19:18
Speaker 3: Did he think he was going to run into the
19:20
Speaker 3: parking lot? I mean, he was right there from the
19:23
Speaker 3: very moment of the play. That just surprised me because
19:28
Speaker 3: he's a veteran quarterback, and I didn't understand that.
19:31
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. We'll take a look at that too.
19:33
Speaker 2: Why don't we go to the footage, and we'll take
19:35
Speaker 2: a look at first some positives for the Eagles that
19:38
Speaker 2: Greg mentioned. The very first play, They finally got a
19:41
Speaker 2: Makai Lemon open across the middle.
19:44
Speaker 1: Greg, what did you see on this play?
19:46
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, this was this was the first play
19:48
Speaker 3: of the game and and you're thinking wow this is
19:50
Speaker 3: this this is uh this is pretty good stuff I
19:53
Speaker 3: mean it was a well-designed misdirection concept off the fake
19:56
Speaker 3: toss to the field and they showed gap scheme o-line
20:00
Speaker 3: action which was critical because you could see the reaction
20:03
Speaker 3: of the second level defenders because of the gap scheme
20:06
Speaker 3: of pulling action. That's the critical piece. It's not so
20:09
Speaker 3: much just the toss action to Barkley, but it's the
20:12
Speaker 3: gap scheme, all line pulling action. So then Lemon runs
20:15
Speaker 3: the crosser from the field into the boundary. And on
20:18
Speaker 3: this particular play, they locked Johnson, the corner, the boundary
20:21
Speaker 3: corner on the boundary X Smith. So because of the
20:25
Speaker 3: run action, there was no defender in the boundary flat
20:28
Speaker 3: and it just became pitch and catch. you know, as
20:30
Speaker 3: you can see, I mean, it becomes pitch and catch.
20:32
Speaker 3: There's no defender there because Johnson up top is locked on,
20:36
Speaker 3: on Smith, you know, man to man.
20:37
Speaker 1: Sure.
20:38
Speaker 2: Do you think that might've been the first snap this
20:40
Speaker 2: year where we actually saw a pulling lineman, a little
20:43
Speaker 2: gap scheme here?
20:43
Speaker 3: No, they've done it a couple of times, but I mean,
20:46
Speaker 3: you can see the reaction. I think it's, it's Devin
20:48
Speaker 3: Bush and the way he hits it because technically he'd
20:52
Speaker 3: be the flat defender here. And then he, then he
20:54
Speaker 3: lost all sense of clarity as to what's going on.
20:56
Speaker 3: And he just kind of dropped back, you know, covering grass. So, um,
21:00
Speaker 3: because I don't think, you know, it didn't look like
21:03
Speaker 3: a true man concept all across the board to me.
21:06
Speaker 3: I know the other corner was running across, you know,
21:11
Speaker 3: with him, but it didn't look like a pure man
21:15
Speaker 3: concept to me. But, you know, maybe I'm wrong and
21:17
Speaker 3: maybe that's what they played. But Lemon, you know, was
21:20
Speaker 3: pretty condensed, so it was hard to match him. You know,
21:22
Speaker 3: he's in trail position right away.
21:24
Speaker 1: For sure.
21:24
Speaker 2: All right, let's look at the Barkley 12-yard run, the
21:27
Speaker 2: first of two really nice runs that he had.
21:29
Speaker 1: Excuse me. Under center, what do you call about– I mean,
21:34
Speaker 1: I feel like– So is this the second play of
21:37
Speaker 1: the game? Yes. Oh, yeah.
21:39
Speaker 3: This was outside zone week. It was well executed. I
21:43
Speaker 3: thought they really effectively used motion to bump the second-level defenders,
21:47
Speaker 3: and I thought Kendall had an outstanding one-on-one block on
21:50
Speaker 3: the one-technique tackle, Grady Jarrett. I thought this was really
21:53
Speaker 3: just another– just a well-executed play. I mean, the motion
21:57
Speaker 3: was a factor. You know, we've talked about motion in
22:00
Speaker 3: the run game a lot, It was a factor. It
22:02
Speaker 3: bumped people over. And then you got the outside zone run.
22:06
Speaker 3: And Kendall had a really good block, not an easy block.
22:09
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm freezing it here because this is what we
22:11
Speaker 1: talked about.
22:13
Speaker 2: Some people struggled with the concept in the YouTube comments
22:16
Speaker 2: about Barkley's running style. These are nice gaps. And he
22:21
Speaker 2: can see it. It's easy for him to maneuver through.
22:24
Speaker 2: And then he has that second level burst. where he
22:27
Speaker 2: then kind of cuts, he then cuts, right? Like that's
22:30
Speaker 2: the one cut in the open field where he can
22:32
Speaker 2: make extra yards, but asking him to get kind of
22:35
Speaker 2: really skinny through holes that aren't there are not always
22:38
Speaker 2: his superpower.
22:39
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. No, that's just the reality. And that's why this.
22:42
Speaker 5: Was just, this was, you know, really well done, really
22:45
Speaker 5: well done, you know, outside zone concept with, with the motion,
22:49
Speaker 5: you know, having an impact and, and, you know, like
22:52
Speaker 5: I said, Kendall made a really, really nice block.
22:54
Speaker 2: I would say through Grady Jarrett out of the club there,
22:58
Speaker 2: right on the ground.
22:59
Speaker 3: He moved there.
22:59
Speaker 4: I would say Kendall has been very encouraging with the
23:01
Speaker 4: run game, at least.
23:03
Speaker 3: I would agree.
23:04
Speaker 4: This is really encouraging, Jeff, as we send it back
23:06
Speaker 4: to you. Look, second half is what it was once
23:09
Speaker 4: they got behind. But if they could run this well,
23:13
Speaker 4: and remember, this is not even close.
23:15
Speaker 3: Look at that freeze. Sorry to interrupt. I mean, they've
23:18
Speaker 3: got everybody play side blocked. They've got the back side sealed, basically,
23:21
Speaker 3: with Steen working up. I mean, this is what you
23:24
Speaker 3: want it to look like.
23:25
Speaker 4: Remember, if you include the Steenhold, remember Barkley had the run.
23:29
Speaker 4: The Steenhold had nothing to do with the run. It
23:32
Speaker 4: was the right call, but he would have run for
23:34
Speaker 4: over 100 yards in the first half if you include
23:35
Speaker 4: that run.
23:36
Speaker 3: So they look really good around the football.
23:38
Speaker 2: Now here's the next one, Greg. It's the 17-yarder. I
23:42
Speaker 2: believe this was to run to the right side of it.
23:45
Speaker 3: So this was the 17-yarder. Yes, this was in the
23:50
Speaker 3: second quarter. This was outside zone right into the boundary.
23:53
Speaker 3: Really good frontside reach block by right guard Steen on
23:56
Speaker 3: the three technique Gallimore.
23:58
Speaker 1: Yep.
23:58
Speaker 3: This is, again, just, you know, that's what you need.
24:01
Speaker 3: I mean, I remember listening to a podcast with Dante
24:06
Speaker 3: Starnecchia a couple years ago. He'd retired, but he was
24:09
Speaker 3: talking about O-line, you know, how he evaluates them when
24:12
Speaker 3: he's evaluating college players, but it applies here. He said,
24:17
Speaker 3: you know, for interior O-linemen, there's two things they have
24:19
Speaker 3: to be able to do. They have to be able
24:21
Speaker 3: to make frontside reach blocks and backside cutoff blocks. And,
24:26
Speaker 3: you know, you've got to be able to make front. Here,
24:29
Speaker 3: can you go back to the beginning, Jeff? Yep.
24:31
Speaker 1: Is that Mailata who makes the backside cutoff block here?
24:34
Speaker 3: Yeah, but notice that Steen, technically, it's a three technique.
24:38
Speaker 3: The guy's a little bit outside of him. So he
24:40
Speaker 3: has got to at least get him turned to some degree.
24:43
Speaker 3: And you see, he just did it right off the bat.
24:46
Speaker 3: You've got to be able to do that.
24:48
Speaker 1: Right.
24:48
Speaker 2: This is unique because you're, like, almost reaching behind you
24:50
Speaker 2: to drag a guy with you.
24:51
Speaker 1: That's a difficult block.
24:53
Speaker 3: Yeah, you've got to be able to do that to
24:55
Speaker 3: run this own run game.
24:56
Speaker 1: Right.
24:57
Speaker 3: And he does it.
24:58
Speaker 2: And, by the way, you've got decent blocking downfield, good blocking,
25:02
Speaker 2: I would say, from Taylor.
25:03
Speaker 3: Yeah, Wicks, 13th.
25:04
Speaker 1: That's the issue. He can do that. Everybody else, it's
25:08
Speaker 1: a 50-50 coin flip.
25:09
Speaker 3: No, I mean, look, obviously they only scored seven. But
25:12
Speaker 3: the thing you can take away from this game was
25:14
Speaker 3: that the run game the outside zone, which I think
25:16
Speaker 3: they want to be their foundation, definitely looked good.
25:20
Speaker 1: Now, I had this discussion with Adam.
25:22
Speaker 2: Last year, there were like three or four games, like
25:25
Speaker 2: the Giants the second time around. I think the Vikings,
25:28
Speaker 2: there was another team that the Eagles ran the ball
25:30
Speaker 2: well against. And we would have this conversation, hey, looks
25:32
Speaker 2: like they've got something. And then you realize maybe they
25:35
Speaker 2: were just playing a bad run defense. And the next
25:37
Speaker 2: week they would They would go back to their typical struggle.
25:40
Speaker 2: So we'll find out.
25:40
Speaker 3: We don't know. We don't know the answer to that.
25:42
Speaker 1: Right. We'll find out.
25:43
Speaker 3: That was a positive in this game. All right.
25:47
Speaker 2: So tell me what you, what you think was going
25:49
Speaker 2: through Dalton's head here, because I.
25:52
Speaker 3: Wish I could tell you that. I mean, look at
25:54
Speaker 3: the pre-snap picture. Where's Dylan cinnamon. He's in the middle
25:58
Speaker 3: of the eight. He's he's a post safety there. Okay.
26:02
Speaker 3: I mean, again, you know, I'm just telling you, you know,
26:05
Speaker 3: I've been watching tape a long time. That's where he is.
26:07
Speaker 3: You know, Unless he moves, you can't even consider making
26:12
Speaker 3: this throw. This throw shouldn't even be in your choice
26:16
Speaker 3: of throws to make.
26:18
Speaker 2: I'm trying to think who was supposed to be the
26:21
Speaker 2: guy that they thought was going to be wide open.
26:22
Speaker 1: Probably Devontae. But was there a little matching going on
26:25
Speaker 1: here on the trip side?
26:29
Speaker 3: Well, I think they run a little bit of a...
26:32
Speaker 3: they run across her, you know, it's nothing's really available here,
26:37
Speaker 3: but you can't make this through because don't forget you're,
26:40
Speaker 3: you're in field goal range. You can't, you can't, you
26:43
Speaker 3: can't make, I mean, like I said, where did he
26:45
Speaker 3: think the enemy was going to go?
26:47
Speaker 1: He didn't look at him. He didn't do it.
26:49
Speaker 3: Yeah.
26:49
Speaker 1: He just really threw it to a guy.
26:51
Speaker 4: You know, Greg, it's one of the few times on television.
26:53
Speaker 4: You could, you, you actually get the picture that we're
26:56
Speaker 4: seeing now. It was such a dumb decision.
26:58
Speaker 3: I was like, You know, a veteran quarterback, I mean,
27:02
Speaker 3: you know, he's looking right at it the whole time too,
27:04
Speaker 3: as if Thineman's not there. That's the thing, you know.
27:07
Speaker 3: 38 years old.
27:09
Speaker 1: Come on, man.
27:10
Speaker 3: Yeah.
27:10
Speaker 1: It's almost like he expected Wicks to out-jump him or something.
27:13
Speaker 5: I don't know.
27:14
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I don't– you know, again, I can't
27:16
Speaker 3: answer that question. I don't know what's in his head.
27:18
Speaker 3: But that was not– you can't do that.
27:22
Speaker 2: Right.
27:22
Speaker 1: All right.
27:22
Speaker 2: Now, so I think I found some plays that really
27:24
Speaker 2: illustrate the pressure packages you were referring to, you know,
27:28
Speaker 2: Guys at the line of scrimmage. I guess double mug
27:29
Speaker 2: fronts you would call these?
27:31
Speaker 3: Well, no, this is not necessarily a double mug, but
27:32
Speaker 3: they technically have one, two, three, four, five. They have
27:36
Speaker 3: seven guys potentially. They're on the ball. They're on the
27:41
Speaker 3: first level. So you can sit here and say whatever
27:43
Speaker 3: you want to say about, well, this guy may come,
27:46
Speaker 3: may not come, but there's seven guys. You know what
27:49
Speaker 3: I mean? You don't know.
27:51
Speaker 1: Right. This is the third and five we're talking about.
27:54
Speaker 3: Is this the one that Edwards knocked down?
27:55
Speaker 1: Third and five, yep.
27:56
Speaker 2: And you can see Edwards 53 is like right over the,
27:59
Speaker 2: between the center and the guard.
28:00
Speaker 1: I mean, he looks like he's coming.
28:02
Speaker 3: And he does a great job. Look, I mean, as
28:04
Speaker 3: you run this, you'll see, you know, he really comes.
28:09
Speaker 1: Look at him. He's coming.
28:09
Speaker 3: Look at him.
28:10
Speaker 1: That's incredible. I mean, he's five steps.
28:13
Speaker 3: I mean, and look, I don't know how I didn't
28:17
Speaker 3: play quarterback in the NFL. I don't know how, you know, Troy,
28:21
Speaker 3: you know, I know he said that's hard for a
28:23
Speaker 3: quarterback on TV. I don't know how he feels if
28:26
Speaker 3: he's not on TV. But I think with what you've
28:30
Speaker 3: seen up to this point in the game, there has
28:34
Speaker 3: to be some awareness that people are dropping out because
28:37
Speaker 3: that's what they've been doing all game. Now, I'm not
28:40
Speaker 3: going to sit here and say, gee, if I was
28:41
Speaker 3: the quarterback, that's not my point. But this is probably
28:47
Speaker 3: the fourth or fifth time this has happened in this game.
28:50
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you know, I mean, this is a bit,
28:53
Speaker 2: but look how open Devante looks. I mean, it's so
28:56
Speaker 2: hard to, I would even think the way Edwards came
28:59
Speaker 2: that the quarterback, I think I could still get it.
29:02
Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, one could argue that he should have
29:04
Speaker 3: thrown it to Devante. I mean, you can, there's all
29:06
Speaker 3: kinds of arguments you can make here, but the reality is,
29:09
Speaker 3: you know, he, he clearly thought that, you know, Ertz
29:12
Speaker 3: was going to be wide open and it was going
29:13
Speaker 3: to be pitch and catch and they'd get a first
29:15
Speaker 3: down and, you know, he's in his delivery right now.
29:19
Speaker 3: You know, he probably is just picking up like right
29:22
Speaker 3: now Edwards and you can't stop it at that point.
29:25
Speaker 1: Great play by TJ. That really could have been a completion.
29:29
Speaker 2: We have, this is the sack you were referring to
29:32
Speaker 2: where Hertz kind of drifted out.
29:35
Speaker 1: It wasn't necessarily a pressure front, right?
29:37
Speaker 3: This was just, Yeah, I'm trying to remember this plug.
29:42
Speaker 5: Oh.
29:43
Speaker 1: He felt the pressure. Go ahead.
29:45
Speaker 3: Yes. This one is spicy. And I'll tell you why.
29:49
Speaker 3: Like this one, could he have made the throw? Yes.
29:52
Speaker 3: But I understand what he saw. Notice that it's Smith
29:58
Speaker 3: and I believe, is it Lemon? Yes. Because they're running
30:02
Speaker 3: essentially a levels concept. And Lemon's going to break wide open.
30:06
Speaker 3: But see, as Jalen gets to the top of his drop,
30:09
Speaker 3: if you run this, Jeff, look how close together Smith
30:13
Speaker 3: and Lemon are. And look how the picture's a little muddy.
30:17
Speaker 3: They're too close together. The balance in the concept is
30:21
Speaker 3: not right. So right now, look, he's hitting his back foot, Jalen,
30:25
Speaker 3: pretty much. And this is what he sees, okay? So
30:28
Speaker 3: right now it's a, it's kind of a muddied picture.
30:31
Speaker 3: Now women's going to break free on, on his outcut here.
30:34
Speaker 3: And he's going to be open by NFL standards. This
30:36
Speaker 3: is wide open, but you know, it's still a little undefined.
30:40
Speaker 3: And if you look at it from the end zone,
30:43
Speaker 3: do you think he could have made the throw? Yes.
30:45
Speaker 3: I thought he should have. Yeah. I get it. I,
30:49
Speaker 3: this one I get, I mean, could it have been made? Yes.
30:53
Speaker 3: But yeah, He didn't. But they were definitely too close
30:58
Speaker 3: together on their vertical stems. It muddied the picture way
31:02
Speaker 3: too much.
31:03
Speaker 2: Yeah, and like you say, the game is a fraction
31:05
Speaker 2: of inches or a fraction of time. That little bit
31:08
Speaker 2: of hesitation may have allowed that pass rusher to get
31:11
Speaker 2: right up on him, and he felt it.
31:13
Speaker 1: He clearly felt it.
31:14
Speaker 3: Felt it. Yeah. And you know if you don't turn
31:16
Speaker 3: it loose at the right time, then you're done.
31:18
Speaker 1: Right, right, right.
31:20
Speaker 2: So now we have– this one was where he got
31:23
Speaker 2: forced out to the right and threw incomplete out of bounds.
31:26
Speaker 2: You know, it's like Devontae kind of catches it out
31:28
Speaker 2: of bounds on second and nine.
31:32
Speaker 3: Was this the one– this is the one where Devontae
31:34
Speaker 3: wins against Muhammad, the rookie, on the deep over. And
31:38
Speaker 3: this was the one where Barkley got jacked up. Because
31:43
Speaker 3: they had this. They had this on the deep over
31:46
Speaker 3: to Smith, which you can clearly see. Yeah. Because he's
31:48
Speaker 3: the receiver down below.
31:50
Speaker 2: So I'll freeze it here on Barkley's– yeah, Barkley– oh,
31:53
Speaker 2: my God. Barkley just got killed by 48.
31:57
Speaker 3: Jalen had to move here. This is not on Jalen.
31:58
Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah. He had to
32:02
Speaker 1: move or else he was going to be leaving. Yeah, absolutely.
32:05
Speaker 3: Yeah, so, I mean, you know, in games that you're bad,
32:08
Speaker 3: those are the kinds of things that happen. You have
32:10
Speaker 3: a play call, your receiver wins on a vertical route,
32:12
Speaker 3: and then that happens. You know, I mean, that's– Those
32:16
Speaker 3: are the things that happen in bad games.
32:18
Speaker 1: All right.
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Speaker 2: So this is now the interception. And what I want
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Speaker 2: to ask you is this. It's a very similar pressure
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Speaker 2: look to the one that Edwards batted down, right, and
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Speaker 2: almost intercepted.
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Speaker 3: You can see it. You can see the pressure. Now,
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Speaker 3: you know, this had the look to me of Jalen
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Speaker 3: got a little frenetic because you can see by his
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Speaker 3: body language. You know, you can see if you run this,
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Speaker 3: it's the same concept. They're going to show that pressure
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Speaker 3: and drop people out. But Jalen gets a little antsy here.
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Speaker 3: You know, you can almost see. Or the other thing
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Speaker 3: that could have been the case, and only he could
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Speaker 3: tell you this and he's not going to, is did
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Speaker 3: he predetermine the throw when he was throwing this no
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Speaker 3: matter what?
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Speaker 2: And by the way, this time Edwards didn't even fake
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Speaker 2: the rush. He was at the line, and he dropped back. See,
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Speaker 2: the first one I said, that's just good football by
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Speaker 2: the Bears.
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Speaker 1: Great job.
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Speaker 2: And this one I thought probably could have been avoided
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Speaker 2: more because you have already seen this look, and he's
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Speaker 2: doing the exact same– not the exact same, but very similar.
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Speaker 3: I think by this point in the game, because this
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Speaker 3: was later in the game, I think he was just
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Speaker 3: a little uncertain as to how he wanted to deal
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Speaker 3: with all this there. Because, again, you could argue– if
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Speaker 3: you're aware that people are dropping out, which they've been
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Speaker 3: doing all game, then you're throwing the ball outside and you,
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Speaker 3: and you've got to pitch and catch, you know, but
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Speaker 3: obviously he didn't. And it's easy for me to sit
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Speaker 3: here and say that, but you know, I think that
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Speaker 3: just the whole, what the plan was by Dennis Allen,
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Speaker 3: I think just eventually, you know, wore down the Eagles
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Speaker 3: offense and then they were just, it was not a
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Speaker 3: comfortable thing in the past game, but you know, like
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Speaker 3: I said, hopefully they learn from it. We'll see. I mean,
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Speaker 3: You know, we'll obviously do a pregame show before the
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Speaker 3: Rams game, you know, later in the week. The Rams actually,
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Speaker 3: they lost a ridiculous game, you know, the other night,
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Speaker 3: but their defense actually, they had a few busts late,
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Speaker 3: but their defense actually played really, really well.
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Speaker 2: Right.
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Speaker 1: I agree.
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Speaker 3: They gave up like in the first half, like 75
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Speaker 3: yards against the Broncos. I mean, you're not going to
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Speaker 3: be able to watch really, really well.
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Speaker 1: Watson's not going to be playing. It sounds like so.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: That ridiculous defensive hold they called on the Rams defense,
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Speaker 2: who was being held by the wide receiver. And then
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Speaker 2: they had the hands-to-the-face call, and that really screwed them over.
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Speaker 2: All right, that is a look at the Eagles' offense. Again,
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Speaker 2: some positive things. You did see a good, you know,
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Speaker 2: actual positive yards to Lemon, good some runs by Barkley.
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Speaker 2: But living in third down, it's going to hurt you,
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Speaker 2: and it certainly did for them. On the next episode,
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Speaker 2: we'll talk about the Eagles' defense here on Inside the Tape.
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