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Felipe Elioenay: Nrthrn · The BlackSheep Podcast: Presented by HM Magazine

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  Speaker 1: M m m m.
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  Speaker 2: M m hm.
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  Speaker 1: H m m. Today we've got Filippe, Felipe, Ilione, Illino ILLINOI.
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  Speaker 1: How do you say in Portuguese again? See I told
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  Speaker 1: you I'm not very good at pronunciation.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, no one can can do it. Yeah, you need
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  Speaker 2: to thank my mom for that. Yes, it's Ilio and
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  Speaker 2: I ilion Ilios and I and I and yeah, Ilio
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  Speaker 2: and I. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So it's like it's like an extra syllable in there
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  Speaker 1: that you don't realize.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's it's actually my middle name, it's really
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  Speaker 2: my my last name. My last name is actually Ferreira
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  Speaker 2: Debrits too.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, you picked the right one.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I picked that one because it's like there's
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  Speaker 2: no one with that combination anyway in the world, you know,
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  Speaker 2: like that Filippe and I was like, that's just me.
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  Speaker 2: So that's why one. Yeah, because Ferrera is very common,
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  Speaker 2: like you know in Portuguese countries like uh, you know
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  Speaker 2: it's Portugal, but Brazil even Spain as well. So I
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  Speaker 2: was like, oh, yeah, that'll there'll be a bunch of.
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  Speaker 1: Love that. Well, Felippe, you're in a band called Northern
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  Speaker 1: that we're just super stoked to to talk more about.
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  Speaker 1: H It's a band that for me is definitely new Colin.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know how long you've been listening to Northern,
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  Speaker 1: but yeah, about a year or so. Uh. Yeah, we
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  Speaker 1: reached out. We're like, we're super big fans of your music,
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  Speaker 1: and so we're like, let's just chat and so here
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  Speaker 1: we are, but before we got dive into all the music,
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  Speaker 1: and obviously we want to dive into all your music
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  Speaker 1: before we dive in. How are you doing today?
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  Speaker 2: Doing good? Yeah, we just played a show this this weekend.
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  Speaker 2: We did, like the album release show, So I'm feeling
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  Speaker 2: like less stressed because it was like four months in
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  Speaker 2: the making, you know, like and then releasing the album
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  Speaker 2: and all of that and ordering merch and like, and
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  Speaker 2: I booked everything myself, so I'm one hundred independent and
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  Speaker 2: it does a lot of work. So now I'm actually
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  Speaker 2: feeling kind of relaxed.
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  Speaker 1: Was it just the one show then that you did
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  Speaker 1: or is it like kind of like a weekend of shows?
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  Speaker 1: How did that all go down?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah? So it was one show here in our hometown Montreal.
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  Speaker 2: But we are booking more shows for I think in
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  Speaker 2: the summer we're going to have some more shows probably Toronto,
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  Speaker 2: Quebec City and maybe some of the regions as well.
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  Speaker 2: And we have this our first show booked in the US.
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  Speaker 2: It's going to be at the Post Festival in Indianapolis
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  Speaker 2: in July.
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  Speaker 3: Mason and I want to go to the Post Festival.
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  Speaker 2: Cour you guys should come.
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  Speaker 3: Now, Yeah, this might be Anapolis, this might be there.
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  Speaker 3: We have to do it.
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  Speaker 1: Have you been to Indianapolis before, Felipe, No, It is
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  Speaker 1: the most mediocre city ever and and like they almost
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  Speaker 1: the only like maybe silver lining to Indianapolis is the
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  Speaker 1: fact that they embraced their mediocracy. Like there really truly
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  Speaker 1: is nothing spectacular about Indianapolis. Like there's not like a
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  Speaker 1: cool geographic thing. There's not like a cool like uh
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  Speaker 1: scene of some sort. There's you know, it's not like
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  Speaker 1: there's an art scene where. It's just it's so bland
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  Speaker 1: in all the ways, and like the people in Indianapolis
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  Speaker 1: embrace it. I used to go to Indianapolis a lot
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  Speaker 1: for school, so I'm a big fan of Indianapolis. But
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  Speaker 1: I can see why a lot of people would go
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  Speaker 1: to Indianapolis and be like what in the world, Like
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  Speaker 1: why are we here?
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  Speaker 2: Isn't isn't there where the Indy five hundred happens it.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so that's like maybe the one thing that people
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  Speaker 1: would like actually travel.
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  Speaker 2: That's the only reason I know the name of that city.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. You know, the way I think about Indianapolis is
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  Speaker 3: it's basically the rest of Canada other than Montreal.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't can't see that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, just big Minnesota is even more Canadian though than any.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not talking about like in culture. I'm just talking
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  Speaker 3: about in like terms of like.
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  Speaker 2: It's boredom, your boredom.
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  Speaker 1: Well, the one thing you all got going in in
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  Speaker 1: Montreal is poutine. But I mean, let's be hones just
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  Speaker 1: in Canada in general, but Montreal I've seen. I've watched
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  Speaker 1: enough YouTube videos to know Montreal's got a great poutine scene.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's not just like poutine, and it's like
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  Speaker 2: we have a lot of good restaurants, Like it's the
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  Speaker 2: food culture here is really really good. I think at
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  Speaker 2: some point we were only behind New York on restaurants
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  Speaker 2: per captive.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, dang. Yeah, like a deal with like the most
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  Speaker 3: amount of you know, top Michelin Star restaurants in in
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  Speaker 3: the Western Hemisphere in Montreal, right.
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  Speaker 2: We we had that I think we lost a few,
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  Speaker 2: but I don't I don't know if we still have
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  Speaker 2: any any actually Michigan Star restaurant.
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  Speaker 3: Oh okay, well change is there? Is there a good
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  Speaker 3: Brazilian food in Montreal?
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  Speaker 2: Know that? No? Actually, like we used to have like
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  Speaker 2: maybe three or four restaurants. Now they only have like
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  Speaker 2: we only have like a few cafes and maybe one
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  Speaker 2: Brazilian restaurant that was kind of good. But you know,
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  Speaker 2: Brazilian food is so specific that it's really hard to
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  Speaker 2: make outside of Brazil. Sure, yeah, it's and to be honest,
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  Speaker 2: like not not trying to brag here, but like it's
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  Speaker 2: the best food in the world.
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  Speaker 3: I think Brazilian food is slept on.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. So it's funny how I think we need a
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  Speaker 2: better a PR manager, you know, like.
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  Speaker 1: Colin could be that guy for you if if you
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  Speaker 1: if you need like a non Brazilian.
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  Speaker 2: I'll send you. I'll send you to the president or
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  Speaker 2: the Minister of Culture or whatever.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, do you all do you all have like
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  Speaker 1: your own version of a rappers? Like I know that's
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  Speaker 1: like a huge like Argentinian, Chilean venezuela and thing, but
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  Speaker 1: is that like a thing in Brazil.
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  Speaker 2: Not at all. I mean really there's there's one thing
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  Speaker 2: which is completely different from arapas, but which called tapioca.
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  Speaker 2: It's like a it's like a it's it's almost the
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  Speaker 2: same thing, but it's we've made with yucca flower, so
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  Speaker 2: it's really interesting. It's very specific to the north of
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  Speaker 2: Brazil and my family is from the north, so we
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  Speaker 2: we used to eat that a lot.
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  Speaker 1: I do like yuca a good yuca fry.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so good. Yeah, one of my favorite. A
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  Speaker 2: lot of Brazilian dishes have that, you know in the mix.
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  Speaker 1: You all like eat that with like some some sort
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  Speaker 1: of a oli or something.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, like we man, it's so many things. It's mostly
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  Speaker 2: like meat and stuff, you know.
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  Speaker 3: Like yeah, that's what I'm talking about.
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  Speaker 2: That's the part I say. Yeah, it's it's it's pretty good.
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  Speaker 1: There should be a poutine with yuka fries. That's that's
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  Speaker 1: that's like you're in right there.
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  Speaker 2: I mean Brazilians they appropriate other cultures sometimes, you know,
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  Speaker 2: like they they there's probably a place in Brazil where
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  Speaker 2: they're doing that already. Like they take sushi and they
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  Speaker 2: put like meat on it, you know, like they do
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  Speaker 2: weird ship like Brazilians are funny. They they just like
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  Speaker 2: it's a sacrilege to other other people's foods, like the Japanese.
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  Speaker 3: In Brazil, though, I don't know it sounds it sounds
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  Speaker 3: very warm and heavy.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but Brazilian food is surprisingly heavy. It's really really heavy.
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  Speaker 2: But it's not beige like here. It's there is a
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  Speaker 2: little bit more color going on.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's for sure, a little some chimmuturi or something. Well,
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  Speaker 1: we didn't bring you on to talk about food, although
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  Speaker 1: I Colin and I could literally talk about food all
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  Speaker 1: day long. This is to be honest.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, me too.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but yeah, we want to talk about Northern. So
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  Speaker 1: before actually we talked about like kind of your involvement
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  Speaker 1: with you know, starting Northern and everything. Yeah, I'd love
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  Speaker 1: to just kind of hear how you got involved in
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  Speaker 1: music to begin with. Yeah, what was what's that story?
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  Speaker 1: You know, obviously playing guitar, lots of instruments and stuff
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  Speaker 1: that are going on, Like yeah, what what what was
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  Speaker 1: like inspired you to just like, hey, I want to
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  Speaker 1: I want to start a band.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I started playing instruments when I was six years old.
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  Speaker 2: My my, my end she's a professor at the university
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  Speaker 2: and she she's a piano professor and stuff and she
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  Speaker 2: teaches music theory and stuff like that. So like she
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  Speaker 2: taught me how to read music when I was six,
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  Speaker 2: and uh, And it's funny because in the first few months,
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  Speaker 2: I was already like when can I play for people?
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  Speaker 2: You know, like when can I go on stage and rock?
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  Speaker 2: And it was funny because I, for some reason, I
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  Speaker 2: always felt that I should be there. And then like
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  Speaker 2: later in like when I was like a teenager, like
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  Speaker 2: around twelve thirteen, piano wasn't that cool. I was skateboarding,
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  Speaker 2: so like I wouldn't join a band and play like keys,
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  Speaker 2: you know, like synthesized. So I learned how to play
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  Speaker 2: guitar from like just borrowing my friend's guitar and just
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  Speaker 2: for a few few weeks and I learned a bunch
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  Speaker 2: of blue scales and whatever, some creed here and there,
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  Speaker 2: you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, And this was back in Brazil, right, yeah, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that was like I don't know, twenty five years ago
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  Speaker 1: when I started playing guitar.
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  Speaker 3: Wow. Nice.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, And then I joined like I put together a
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  Speaker 2: band with my friends that were always skateboarders as well.
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  Speaker 2: That was like when you know, Tony Hawk pro Skater
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  Speaker 2: came out like the one and two, and the soundtrack
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  Speaker 2: was everything to us, you know, so we wanted to
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  Speaker 2: play music to skateboard with, you know, like and then
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  Speaker 2: we started like that like a punk rock the easiest
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  Speaker 2: stuff we could we could do. But the well, the
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  Speaker 2: funny thing is that, like, yes, we were learning songs,
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  Speaker 2: like learning blink Ueity two, even like the Cure. You know,
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  Speaker 2: we were like going like really broad anything that was
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  Speaker 2: easy to play. But I we started we started writing
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  Speaker 2: right away. As soon as I knew a few power chords,
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  Speaker 2: I was like, I'm gonna I'm gonna learn how to sing,
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  Speaker 2: and I'm gonna write some punk rock stuff, you know,
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  Speaker 2: like and uh that that band evolved and then changed
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  Speaker 2: the name, and then like we became more post hardcore band.
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  Speaker 2: I found out about bands like you know, Thrice and
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  Speaker 2: because he was singing and playing riffs, you know, and
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  Speaker 2: I was like, fuck, this is sick. And and I
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  Speaker 2: also like there was this other band called from Autumn
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  Speaker 2: to Ashes. Oh yeah, that was like a like a
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  Speaker 2: turning point for us. I was like, and then when
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  Speaker 2: I started learning more and more about riffing, I was
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  Speaker 2: like I don't want to sing anymore. I just want
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  Speaker 2: to play guitar, you know. And and then that's when
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  Speaker 2: I quit singing and uh. And then that band evolved
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  Speaker 2: to metalcore and then like deathcore and then progressive metal
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  Speaker 2: gent and and then it died when I moved out.
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  Speaker 2: It's pretty much like a lot of my friends. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: a lot of my friends started like emo music, punk
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  Speaker 2: rock stuff, and then metalcore like post hardcore, you know,
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  Speaker 2: like like under Oath and all of those bands. It
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  Speaker 2: starts have your and have your until you reach the
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  Speaker 2: point where you circle back and do post rock.
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  Speaker 1: You end up killing the vocalist and then you're like,
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  Speaker 1: we're just an instrumental band.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. It's funny because on the metal core band
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  Speaker 2: and that became like progressive metal, my brother was the vocalist.
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  Speaker 2: It was really sick to be in a band with him.
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  Speaker 3: What was your group called?
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  Speaker 2: It was called a meta So M A M E
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  Speaker 2: T A.
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  Speaker 1: R. Do you end up suing Yeah? Did you end
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  Speaker 1: up suing Zuckerberg for this?
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  Speaker 2: Later? Yes, he owes me money, so call me. But yeah,
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  Speaker 2: so like, yeah, it's pretty much yeah, but it's it's
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  Speaker 2: a little bit. It means almost the same. It was
• 12:37
  Speaker 2: kind of metal idea whatever a is just an article
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  Speaker 2: that means like the the metal or whatever. Sure, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: so like that was the band and uh and it
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  Speaker 2: was a lot of fun. We released our first like
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  Speaker 2: metal like progressive metal album like in twenty eleven, which
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  Speaker 2: was like a lot I would say, like I had
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  Speaker 2: of its time in Brazil. Even now it's like people
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  Speaker 2: only now getting too progressive metal there. You know, I
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  Speaker 2: don't even know like any instrumental progressive metal band in
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  Speaker 2: Brazil that is really active. There was there was one
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  Speaker 2: a long time ago, but like I don't know if
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  Speaker 2: they play still, but but yeah, it was.
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  Speaker 3: It was.
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  Speaker 2: It was cool to be innovading, but like it was
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  Speaker 2: terrible to find shows because no one would understand our craziness,
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  Speaker 2: you know, like, well the things that we're do trying
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  Speaker 2: to do.
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  Speaker 3: That's interesting because I always imagined, uh, sal Paolo in
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  Speaker 3: general in particular, I should say, to be kind of
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  Speaker 3: ahead of the curve in terms of like like being
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  Speaker 3: on the scene for yeah, like American music that's kind
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  Speaker 3: of rising. Yeah, but you're saying that's not quite the case.
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  Speaker 2: Huh, it's not quite the case for progressive metal. I
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  Speaker 2: think I think everything else. It's pretty sick. Like people
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  Speaker 2: sometimes they sleep on going to touring Brazil and it's
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  Speaker 2: just don't do it because it's it's good to go there,
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  Speaker 2: you know. Like I even played the show last year there.
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  Speaker 2: It was sold out and it was really nice to
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  Speaker 2: do that, you know, like come back ten years later
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  Speaker 2: and come back with a project that like would sell
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  Speaker 2: out of any you know. It was really cool. But yeah,
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  Speaker 2: so spirit Box and Bringing the Horizon they played in
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  Speaker 2: a stadium in Sa Paulo for sixty thousand people. So like, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: Brazil likes metal.
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  Speaker 1: Music, dang, and that's like that's not even its Chodre
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  Speaker 1: and Arrow is like that's even bigger.
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  Speaker 2: Right, it's not bigger. Paula is the biggest city. Oh
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  Speaker 2: it is.
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  Speaker 1: Oh I realized that, But real is like.
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  Speaker 2: The most famous city, I would say, but like it's
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  Speaker 2: it's not even close to how I didn't realize that. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: So paul it's like Manhattan times. It's insane. It's all scars,
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  Speaker 2: skyscrapers everywhere you go. Everyone lives in a big apartment
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  Speaker 2: building and stuff. It's crazy. It's like twenty million people
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  Speaker 2: in the greatest Sam Paul.
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  Speaker 3: So what's it like moving from crowded sal Paolo to
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  Speaker 3: Montreal and how did that this village, yeah, this kind
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  Speaker 3: of town, po dunk place.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, so the things that like I even before
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  Speaker 2: moving here, I was living in Europe for a little bit.
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  Speaker 2: I moved there, you know, to work with design, and
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  Speaker 2: I lived in Ukraine for close to a year. And
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  Speaker 2: then from Ukraine I got on the job offer here
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  Speaker 2: in Montreal and I moved here. And that was like
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  Speaker 2: twenty fourteen, so it's going to be eleven years that
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  Speaker 2: I'm wow here. Yeah wow. And I moved here with
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  Speaker 2: like knowing no one, Like I had no friends, nothing.
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  Speaker 2: I had just a suitcase and that was all my belongings.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't have. I didn't even have my guitars or anything.
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  Speaker 2: I sold everything. I was really focused on like trying
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  Speaker 2: to make this work, you know, like and now Bob doing, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: Bob dealing. I didn't know.
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  Speaker 3: So you move forward for the design, uh, you know,
• 16:16
  Speaker 3: aspect of your creativity, which, by the way, I applaud
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  Speaker 3: anyone who's willing to make their entire living off of
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  Speaker 3: being creative, because that sounds so fucking stressful to me.
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  Speaker 3: I can't even imagine, like I'm like, I hope they
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  Speaker 3: like it. I hope they like it. I hope they
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  Speaker 3: like it every single time you make something. Yeah, And
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  Speaker 3: are you freelance now? Is that the way that works?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah? So I've been freelancing for the past eighty nine
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  Speaker 2: years now because I it's it's part of a bigger
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  Speaker 2: plan that I have. I always wanted, you know, music
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  Speaker 2: has always been my main thing, but it was very
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  Speaker 2: hard to growing up like in a very very very
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  Speaker 2: poor household. We didn't have money to do any thing.
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  Speaker 2: So like music felt like a luxury thing, you know,
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  Speaker 2: like I couldn't I couldn't be an artist, you know,
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  Speaker 2: like this this was for rich, rich kids, you know.
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  Speaker 2: But when I moved here and I settled, you know
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  Speaker 2: a little bit, like a couple of years, I was like,
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  Speaker 2: you know, I'm gonna I'm gonna keep making music, you know,
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  Speaker 2: because I never stopped making music. But like I didn't
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  Speaker 2: have a new project or anything. So I joined like
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  Speaker 2: a sad punk band called Vacant. I was with them
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  Speaker 2: for a couple of years and then the band broke
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  Speaker 2: up or whatever. But then I was like, I'll just
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  Speaker 2: do something myself. And uh, I I took like the
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  Speaker 2: clean sections of my progressive metal band. I was like,
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  Speaker 2: I'm gonna do something with that, you know, like and
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  Speaker 2: I start doing live looping and whatever and uh and
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  Speaker 2: that that became not you know it was. It wasn't
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  Speaker 2: like an instrumental project that I started. I started like
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: in an afternoon. I wrote like five songs in an afternoon,
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: put it on band camp. I was like, yeah, started,
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  Speaker 2: that's that's the band.
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  Speaker 3: That's how you get the Holy ship. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Like my girlfriend went to went for on the trip.
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  Speaker 2: When she came back, like what you have like an
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  Speaker 2: ep out, Like I just left for a couple of days.
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  Speaker 2: It was like, yeah, yeah, you're like I need to
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: leave more often. Yeah, just leave so I can do stuff.
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, essusially.
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: Like when people's like significant others, like when they leave,
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: like you know, like I know, I know for Colin,
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: like when his significant other leaves, it's just like he's
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: he's losing his ship. And so the fact that you
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: were like that productive, it's like geez, like, well in
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: the world this is this is this kind of like
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, just exactly leave more often, please get
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: you know.
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: She's actually very supportive of my of my my music,
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: and actually she she's one of the few people that
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: did not let me give up on this. You know,
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: that's great, She's nice.
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: I love that. Mason and I have been post rock
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: fans for a long time now. Our main focus on
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: this show is usually the heavier side of music, but
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: I don't think it's any secret that the heavy music
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: community also desperately loves post rock music. I don't know
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: why that connection is necessarily the case, but it has
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: been almost universal in my experience.
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: Has that also been Remember when we met those guys
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: at the Sigro show.
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, like the people that were.
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: Right in front of us that I don't know if
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: you know, Cigarros said allfully, Oh I love it, I
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: love them. Yeah, they're one of our favorites. And yeah,
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: Colin and I a couple of years ago saw them
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: at a in Minneapolis, and yeah, the people in front
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: of us, Like, I don't know how it came up,
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: but at some point it became like very obvious that
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: like both of us, both these two guys in front
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: of us, and then Colin and I was like we
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: were talking and it was like, yeah, we're like metal
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: hardcore fans too, and it was like one of those
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: connections where it's like, why is it that, Like there's
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: like hardcore metal people that also love Cergaros.
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's funny. It's funny guys say that because
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: you know, when I go to the heaviest shows, Like
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: let's say I went to see my friend in White
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: Chapel play with Lorna Shore, shout out to Alex and
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: uh and down that that show. Like I got recognized
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: by a bunch of people, you know that like post rock,
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: which is like the I would never expect that, but
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: like apparently it's a thing. Yeah, but I think people
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: like both even like that's how I connected with Alex
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: dol like he liked my stuff. I of course loved
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: White Chapel and yeah, so like I have a bunch
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: most of my friends are in heavier bands and more progressive,
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: more you know, kind of animals as leaders vibe than
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: than what I do. Is like, yeah, when I go
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: to them to the NAM show in in and High
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: I go every year, and like I always meet people
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: there from like the heaviest bands and stuff, and we
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: make friends and stuff, and like I will it's rare
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: that I find someone that kind of does something that's
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: slightly similar to what I do.
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: I am one hundred percent convinced that more post rock
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: bands should go on tour with heavy music bands, because
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: it really is a match made in heaven. If you
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: were to like sit there for like four straight shows
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: of just heavy in your face music the entire time.
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: If you are over the age of thirty, like most
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: heavy music fans are these days, you're probably like, I
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: can't do this anymore. So you need man like palate
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: cleanser and yes, like post rock.
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, last night I went to see like a super
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: super heavy show I think was like Thrown and Variols,
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: Heaven's Gate and No Cure. So they were all the
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: same style, all like heavy as fuck, and you know,
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: by the the third band, I was outside with my friend,
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: I was like, my back hurtsman, I'm not sure I
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: can make it. But I did make to the end
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: of the show. And tomorrow I'm gonna go see another
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: metal show Make Themselves for They're gonna play here in
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: Montreal and I'm gonna see them. I love that band
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: so much. But yeah, it's it's hard, you know, Like
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: I would love to, you know, to see more post
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: rock bands like in the mix. You know, like some
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: bands they are progressive, they they do a pretty good
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: job at blending different styles on the lineup, you know,
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: like a friend of mine, Aeron Marshall, shout out to
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: Aaron his band. Sometimes they get like bands are not
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: necessarily close to what they do, and I love that.
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: I think it brings like some dynamics to the show,
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: you know, like, and it's it's fun to blend a
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: little bit, you know, and post rockies like could fit
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: in a bunch of places, yeah, you know, And I
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: think my latest songs also have a little bit of
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: a heavier side, more metal a little bit, so like
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: that could be a bridge, you know between Yeah, it's
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: funny because I fell in the same basket of some
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: of the progressive guys for some reason by accident, and
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: now I'm like, I feel like I'm gonna end up
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: playing more, if like, progressive metal bands than post rock bands.
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: To be honest, I think that's a better way to go,
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: to be honest. That's cool.
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well I would be happy either way, to be honest.
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah.
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: The closest I've ever seen like a ticket like that
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: was when I first moved to Minneapolis. Death Heaven was
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: headlining and one of their supporting acts was This Will
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: Destroy You, which is one of my favorite babs.
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: Nice.
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And now I know, like Deaf Heaven isn't like
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: exactly like a mosh pit type of band like that.
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: I know that there is kind of this like post
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: type of metal vibe that they have that makes it
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: a little bit more more similar to This Will Destroy You.
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: But you know it's still I mean it's and this
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: is like before Deaf Heaven like almost became like like
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: almost as like a straight up post metal band, like
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: this is still when they were doing like a lot
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: of black metal stuff. But yeah, it was just kind
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: of it was interesting to like see a band like
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: This Will Destroy You paired with a band like the
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: Deaf Heaven, but also like looking back and like kind
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: of makes sense. But it's kind of cool that there
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: was that pairing of like a really really heavy metal band,
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: especially when Deaf Heaven was doing black metal paired with
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: a This Will Destroy You.
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I I find really interesting too. I love Death
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: Heaven too, and a yeah, I think it should happen
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: more and more often for sure.
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure, it is the genre. Well, let's talk
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: about so it is the genre for every food I think,
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: you know. I mean you can study to it, you
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: can rage out to sometimes I work out to it.
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: You can even make love to it. And that's my
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: favorite way too.
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: Okay, that's good. Yeah. I think it's funny because to
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: this day people say like, oh, it's a cool band,
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: but it would be nice. There was vocals, like have
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: you heard of post rock before? Like even like I
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: was looking at the footage from the show.
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: Culin when he's making love is the vocal.
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, okay, so had your own vocals. Man, It's
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: like it's a karaoke tane to choose your own adventure. Yeah.
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: Like yesterday, like when I was looking at the footage
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: from the show, like I heard this guy putting some
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: screams on one of these parts of the sections of
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: my song. I was like, that's that's funny. He just
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: just like, you know, he just screamed next to the
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: camera like some bushet or whatever it was. It was
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: fun to see that.
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: I kind of dig that. I kind of dig that
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: you should. You should face sometime and see.
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, who knows, it could it could end
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: up being great. Let's talk about the newest album, Lithium,
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: it just came out about a month ago now, and
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: you said that you just played the album release show.
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd love to hear. One of the things.
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: I'm always really interested just for whether an artist like
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: has been around forever, whether they're popular, whether like they're
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: just starting doesn't matter. I'm always interested like when an
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: artist who has like already created music and then is
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: now releasing a new album or a new like set
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: of songs, like, what is it that they're trying to
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: do different with the new release? And so, yeah, was
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: there anything for this new release that you're like, hey,
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: I was trying to like do this differently that wasn't
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: trying to exactly sound exactly the same that I've always
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: sound like. So yeah, I'm just curious if that's like
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: a if that was the thing you were thinking of,
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: if it was like what was that? I'm just curious.
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Like, that's an excellent question. It's it's funny because
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: I have this idea that I want to do something
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: that that hasn't been done the way I want to
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: do before. You know, like I don't like I love
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: eighties music. So in this album, there is a lot
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: of influences on the eighties side, there's a guitar solos
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: and stuff, things that I've never done before this band.
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: I done with all the bands of course, but like
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: not with this band. So like my first full length
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: was called Ever Creating Destroy. Actually I have one here
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: because I'm signing. I'm shipping some shipping some some cities today.
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: That album was really interesting to me. The mix is terrible,
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: so sorry everyone that bought the vinyl. The city terrible,
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: but it was good for the time. I guess it's
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: from twenty seventeen and that On that album, I experimented
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: a lot. I wasn't really tied to a genre per
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: se like I was doing. I was very heavily inspired
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: by tycho and like electronic music. So I was doing
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: like the long post rock built up and stuff as well,
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: but I was doing more more electronic stuff, you know.
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: So like on this album, I wanted to On the
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: Lifting album, like I wanted to bring back some of
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: that that experimentation thing, because I think the last few
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: albums Less It that wasn't EP before that and and
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: the album Faster, I was very much post rock, you know,
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: like I was doing. Yeah, it was that textbook pust rock.
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: Even though yesterday I got a comment on my Instagram
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: saying like, this is not post rock, this is like
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: Temu the Cure. I was like, what the fuck? That
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: was a fun cure. I was like, that's funny. That
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: was actually very very funny. Yeah. Another description of my
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: music that was like brilliant was like, ah, this is
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: just metal youtwo. I was like, okay, yeah, I see that.
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: I can see that.
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: I bet you wish you could just put all of
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: your music on on everybody's Apple.
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah I would. I would love to be hated for
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: that as well. But yeah, so so for this album,
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: like there was a lot of that, but I think
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: there was me trying to push uh to put more
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: of my background into that this band, you know, like
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: to make it a little bit different from the other
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: post rock bands, you know, having like double drop d
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: breakdowns on a on a post rock track. Is I
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: haven't seen anyone do do anything the way I've been
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: trying to do the same thing with the song low
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: that is like in jop f sharp using eight string
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: guitars and baritone and bass sixes, and I know that
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: this would you use basics a lot, but like in
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: a different way that I use. I use it as
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: like a super long baritone for really low tunings. But yeah,
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: so like I tried to do something different and I
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: think the result is being the you know, the result
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: was cool, and the reception from the the public has
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: been really interesting. You know. Some friends of mine are
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: playing like really heavy bands and stuff. They were super
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: excited about it. And we're getting like a lot more
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: streams and sales on the CDs and vinyls, like a
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: lot more than we ever got. So like it's being
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: it's been like a game changer. I think it's going
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: to be in our story. It's gonna be like a
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: turning point for sure.
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I can definitely see that too. This one,
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: this one feels like it has like a more focused direction,
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: you know. Uh, and it it really does hit really
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: hard when it hits. I mean, it's got that dynamic
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: that you really want to hear in music in general,
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: but in post rock especially, and you've done that in
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: some very creative ways, which is why you've really stood
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: out to me. And I've listened to you for about
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: a year, but this album, the stuff I've heard has
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: just blown me away. Next level stuff oh.
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: Man thinks so much. It means. It means a lot
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: to me. It's like so much work right to do
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: to do those things, like and I wrote everything, and
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: I mixed it and mustered and yeah. So it's nice
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: to hear that people are connecting with it. And I
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: think I'm finally getting the hang of mixing and producing
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: and stuff. But yeah, it's it's awesome to hear that.
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: It's a great, great feedback.
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: You even took it to the next level visually. I mean,
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: your music videos are so clean, so sood things, they
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: look great. I'm more of a maximalist, but Mason's a minimalist,
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: and I think that you. I think you just like
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: nail the the vibe of minimalist artistic artisticness that I
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: really actually appreciate as well. Yeah, I mean, because kind
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: of lame, but this is great.
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I think it's because that's exactly my
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: style as a designer. I I grew up like studying
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: like Swiss design and you know, like minimalized stuff like
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: Japanese design as well German design, and I really like
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: this idea of simplicity. It's like not a lot of
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: people notice, but like my my brand is really clear,
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: you know, like even like I only have guitars in black, white,
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: or red because these are the color palettes that I
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: have on my brainy. I thought you were going to say, yeah,
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: pretty much pretty much. Yeah, now that he puts yellow
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: on everything, yeah, yeah, that's the id update on the brandy.
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: But yeah, because there is a reason why. Like there
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: is this guy, uh, this designer from Italy called mass
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: movie ally and like he used to do just these
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: three colors as well on everything pretty much, and uh
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: he did it like the transit, uh transit, like the
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: New York Transit signs and and and all the visual
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: language for for the the subway in New York, and
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: I have the book about it and stuff. So I'm
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: a big fan of that, and I try to do
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: everything on that that vein, you know, Like for the
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: album covers, I go a little bit off from that
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: because it's it's hard to just keep the same, but
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: I try to keep the minimalism, you know. Like on
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: this new album, the concept was bipolar disorder, So like
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: everything on the albums, it's kind of uh mirrored, you know,
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: And even the songs are mirrored, but they are on
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: the extremes from like manic to depression and stuff. So
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: like everything is like up like low and then high
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: and then like sleep and awake and and then like
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: down and yeah and and yeah, there's like a bunch
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: of stuff that is always like this mirrored thing position. Yeah,
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: and like even the circle in the middle is like
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: a big peal, you know, like and on the back
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: you have where the pill came from, like the tablet,
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: you know. So but it's all so many my list
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: that no one understands it. But like I don't care.
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: It's just like it's just me making art. You know.
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: It's like people don't they give this the the meaning
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: that they want to give to it.
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: I think you can really draw a lot of people
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: in with it, though, if it is minimalist and the
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: way that you're doing it, especially because it feels much
• 34:59
  Speaker 3: more universal. Yeah, at least at least to me. You know,
• 35:03
  Speaker 3: if there's something like super busy with a lot of
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: like references to you know, different cultural items or whatever,
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: it's not quite as it's not quite as universal. But
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: with a very very clean, minimalist kind of point of view,
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: you can say a lot with very very little, And
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: that is what I appreciate about it.
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: Man, That's such a great point because that's exactly my
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: approach to the music. I want to say as much
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: as I can with fewer words, you know, in my case,
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: fewer notes. So like I try to do just enough
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: notes to be able to say and something and like
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: make people feel something, even like on the breakdowns and whatever,
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: I don't do anything too complicated, you know, Like it's
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: it's more about the groove and about like the power
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: of those notes and the right notes at the right time.
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: So so yeah, like I think that's why everything is
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: kind of I try to put everything connected that way,
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: you know.
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, along those lines, one thing I've always wondered for,
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: like especially even like some of the more famous post
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: rock bands like that I Love, is you know exactly
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: along those lines of you're trying to say a lot
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: or you're trying to express a lot of emotion, but
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: like without words or generally with very few words, and
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: I'm wondering, like just in your day, Like so obviously
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: there's like an artistic part of you, but I wonder
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: like just your daily life, like if you were trying
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: to express like that you're feeling joy or sadness or
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: whatever it is, Like does your mind just immediately go
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: to notes on a chord, like notes or chords on
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: a guitar, or does it go into words? Like I'm
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: really curious about that because to me, like a post
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: rock band, like the fact that they're expressing so much
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: emotion just through like notes on a guitar or whatever,
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: like like they're able to articulate what joy or sadness
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: feels like through a guitar tone or guitar chords or notes.
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: So I'm just curious, like for you, like, is that's
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: something that maybe like do you like maybe naturally go
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: towards like when you think about joy or sadness, do
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: you think about like oh that like that sounds like
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: that note or that that like that chord or that
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: progression or whatever. I'm just curious, like what does that
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: sound like for you?
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's it's said. I think that no one ever
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: asked me that question. It's a it's a cool question.
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: I think that I'm more reactive to stuff, you know,
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: Like I am a very sensitive person, so like I
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: I connect with things really fast and in deep as well.
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: So like when I'm writing music, I'm not trying to
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: express anything. I'm trying to feel something, you know, like
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: if I'm doing some writing something and then I hit
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: a note that I'm like, oh my god, that was
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: very sad. I was like, I was like, that's some
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: there's something that like if I felt like that, maybe
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: someone else will feel the way. You know, like when
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: I watch if I watch someone sing really beautifully, I
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: cry easily. It's like it's really so I'm for me,
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: It's more about reacting to the to what I'm doing
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: to the environment. Sometimes the entss me playing, and I
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: when I'm playing, like okay, this is this is doing
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: something to me. So like I'm going to keep going
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: there and explore. Like I know some music theory and
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: stuff because of my piano background, but like I don't
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: use it at all, you know, like not at all,
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: but like I would say that I might use four
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: like time divisions and stuff like that. For example, like
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: on one of my songs sleep, it's in three four
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: and I want it to be a little by kind
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: of vibe, you know, and which is a false is
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: actually actually you know, the vaults like the three fourth
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: this is very it makes you sleepy a little bit,
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: you know, like it's very like post sitting and stuff.
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: So like I did a lot of that with Sleep,
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: but I added like a four to four beat in
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: the middle of the song where the everything else is
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: in three four, but the drums is in four four,
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: And that's for me, it's when you're experiencing something while
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: you sleep that is kind of out of place. That's
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: why I put it out. But that's you know, I
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: think that explains a little bit how how deep I
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: connect with things and like and how reactive I am
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: to do those things, you know. Like, so like expressing
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: myself my feelings is a lot harder with words for
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: me than it is with like trying to write something
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: about it. It's like, for example, my my album Foster
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: was dedicated to my mom that passed away in twenty nineteen,
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: and that was a year of me coping with her
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: loss and stuff, and like I was releasing a song
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: every month, you know, until the day of her birthday
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: and then then I've completed the album when and it
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: was out, you know, like, but every month that was
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: a new song. So for me, it's sometimes it's a
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: lot easier to express myself with my pain or my
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: happiness with like art than it is to talk about it.
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: Even though I'm a very extroverted person, but I'm not
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: necessarily that open with or connected with my feelings to
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: be able to just you know, talk about it like
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: I maybe I have one or two people in my
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: life that I can do that. Like it's it's hard.
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so you just like send your therapists just like songs.
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, figure it out. Yeah, just let me know what
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: you think of this. Don't don't, yeah, don't, don't worry
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: too much about the mix is just a sketch.
• 41:21
  Speaker 3: All that. Uh Well, I think I think we're at
• 41:26
  Speaker 3: a point where we could do top five most influential
• 41:30
  Speaker 3: albums if you.
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: Like, I mean some of the bands that you were
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: mentioning earlier, especially like when you first were getting involved
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: in music. I'm like, I think we I think we
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: might be on the same page and a lot of
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: a lot of music. So so I'm excited for this.
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: Okay, So I would say if we start with Bulls Rock,
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: I would say, actually that this will destroy you. Young
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: Mountain is my favorite, one of my favorite albums this time.
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: They just announced their or maybe it wasn't just announced,
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: but they they've got their twentieth anniversary for that EPE tour.
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and I think we're gonna, yeah, we're playing
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: with them at the festival, the Post Festival in July,
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: and they probably gonna do that too, So it's going
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: to be very special to me. Yeah, So that that
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: was really important, and I found out about it like
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: while I was making progressive metal, so I was kind
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: of trying to put post roke into my music back
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: then as well, since like two thousand and eight to
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: twenty ten when I was writing that that album.
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: Just that band in general, it is the best band
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: I've ever heard in terms of creating soundscapes. Like they
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: just create like sounds that aren't necessarily like musical sounds.
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: They just create sounds in their music that is I
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: don't know how they do it, but they just do it,
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: and it's next level. It creates so much dynamic, so
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: much texture to their music, and it's one of the
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: reason why I mean, I literally have this whole the
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: story your tattooed like. They're one of my favorite bands
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: of all time, and I think a lot of it
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: is because of the way that they're able to create soundscapts.
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: What's interesting is like that EP I don't think really
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: highlights that as much, but their later releases definitely do.
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah for sure, Like yeah, they are a big,
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: big influence to me. I would say on the emo
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: side of things, there is a band called Finch Oh
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: oh yeah. I think the album is called what Is
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: to Burn or It's the main song or whatever that
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: whole thing was, and it sounds amazing to this day,
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: like the recording and the production is just like insane,
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: insane quality. That album was really influential to me, Like
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: I listened to it a lot. There's another album that's
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: emo as well, Roof Heel. There's one which one let
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: me just see you on Spotify here? Which one is
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: the one that I'm talking about because they have I
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: love everything they've done, but I think is the perhaps
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: I suppose two thousand and one. That one was insane
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: and it was me learning. I even played a whole show.
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: There was a covers of Rufeel songs, fourteen songs. I
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: was like singing and playing all the riffs and it
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: was so much fun. So that was really important. And
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: then on the heavier side, favorite band of all time
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: is Between the Beard and Me, and I loved the
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: Alaska album from two thousand and five, there is like
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: a song called Selki's the Endless Obsession. That song was
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: an obsession of mine and I cried on the guitar
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: solo when I heard the guitar solo, Like it's so
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: powerful and like so progressive. There's so much King Crimson there.
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: There's so much Jenny Season stuff, Like there's a bunch
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: of little things that are everything, you know, like they're
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: really really good. Okay, so that's four right.
• 45:08
  Speaker 3: I love by the way. I love that band's progression,
• 45:11
  Speaker 3: like the way yes where they started to where they're
• 45:14
  Speaker 3: at now. It's it's a completely different band. Love that part.
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. And to finish because I can't do anything
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: and it lists like that without something from the eighties.
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: I think the the album White Snake that has a
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: song is This Love in it, Yeah, is one of
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: the best things ever written in music history. I think
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: the solo of Is This Love is the most beautiful
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: solo guitar solo ever because I can sing it. I
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: can sing every note of the solo, you know what
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: I mean, Like it's it's do it right now, but yeah,
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: so like it's it's like the sustain know, the guitar
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: tone like everything that. The song is a great song
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: and I just love it. I think it's like the Yeah,
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: it's the best solo ever written because it's just that
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: is just enough of shredding, but all the feels are there,
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: all the emotion is there, and you know, like it
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: kind of reminds me of the work from you know,
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: David Gilmour, uh, you know with that long bandings bands
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: and stuff like that, the Great Sustain and now. Yeah,
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: it's just beautiful. So I would say these these albums
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: are very impactful in my life.
• 46:42
  Speaker 3: Great Call. I also love the White Snake Call because
• 46:44
  Speaker 3: that is the most unabashedly sad and sappy, not sad
• 46:52
  Speaker 3: sappy album I think I've ever heard.
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah it's White Snake Man. I got people like
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: I listened to so much stuff from the eighties, like
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: I love Genesis. I love Phil Collins work and Peter
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: Gabriels as well, Like I love synth stuff, you know,
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: synth wave stuff. Like my musical taste is really vast.
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: I think there are things that are no goal to me,
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: but like.
• 47:19
  Speaker 3: What's your what's your nogo? What's your no go zone?
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: I would say country music. I tried to connect with it,
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: but like it's never been, never been something that I
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: connect with you. I love pop music, so you know,
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: I have been listening to the Sabrina Carpe album Short
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: and Sweet for so long now, like it's being there
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: are so many cool ideas on production there, and like
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: the vocals are so dry for a pop album. There's
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: no reverb pretty much, you know, like it's so weird,
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: and I love the choices that they had. And then
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: they're also the inspiration from like you know, R and
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: b old RnB from the two thousands and stuff like that.
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: So I just like a bunch of different things. And
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: I think, you know, on one of my new songs,
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: you can actually sing a Alan's Parson Project song over it.
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: I do. I'm not gonna say which one it is,
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: so we have to just figure it out. We have
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: to go find, yeah, that song, but just try to
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: sing Eye in the Sky in some of my songs.
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: One it's gonna work.
• 48:30
  Speaker 3: That's awesome. Are there any Are there any you know,
• 48:34
  Speaker 3: sounds of your childhood that that you find, you know,
• 48:38
  Speaker 3: kind of weaving their way in. I mean, I mean
• 48:40
  Speaker 3: like sounds of like sal Paolo maybe more like traditional
• 48:44
  Speaker 3: uh you know, Resilian music, Brazilian music, or or other
• 48:49
  Speaker 3: regional kind of kind of genres that you caught your
• 48:54
  Speaker 3: ear back in the day.
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: I'd never been to Brazilian music, to be honest, I
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: I always felt I was out of place there for
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: some reason. But I do. I did like a lot
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: of the emo scene and the metalcore scene in Brazil.
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: So there are a few bands from Brazil, one called
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: Fresno that I love that it's very emo. Now they
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: kind of shifted to a bunch of different styles, which
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: is cool too. There is like a metal core band
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: like Gloria, and there's one called a new one called
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: x T that actually they are actually touring the US
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: with like Born of Osiris.
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: They are really cool by their newer band. But they
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: all do the things that I liked, you know, punk
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: rock and hardcore music. Like there was a bunch of
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: like bands from the nineties and in eighties that were
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: like punk and hardcore.
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: What about Jats to Brazil Jazz to Brazil. I don't know,
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: you don't know Jats to Brazil.
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: No, they weren't.
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: From Brazil, but they are called Jats to Brazil.
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, never never heard of them.
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: They're like a classic classic nineties emo bane.
• 50:05
  Speaker 3: I just remembered too, though. I believe we have sal
• 50:08
  Speaker 3: Polo to thank for one of the most magnificent YouTube
• 50:14
  Speaker 3: videos of all time, and it's when Nickelback had rocks
• 50:19
  Speaker 3: thrown at them while they're playing that pretty sure.
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, sometimes the crowd can be weird of like rock
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: and Reel especially is it's pretty rough if you that
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: was important.
• 50:35
  Speaker 3: It was in Portugal.
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: Damn, I thought it was wrong colonizer, I haven't.
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: Ye, just the same same language. That's fine.
• 50:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's been a long time since since I've since
• 50:49
  Speaker 3: I've seen that video, but it's a good one. I
• 50:52
  Speaker 3: had to remind everyone of it. Uh what uh, Felipe,
• 50:56
  Speaker 3: what would you like to.
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: Pulug Yes, so there would be the release of the
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: uh the the post festival that I'm playing in Indianapolis.
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: So come to the show and yeah, there's something I
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: think we haven't talked about, uh, which is like when
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: you know, like a few years back, I actually played
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: guitar on The Blade Runner, uh the new Blade Runner
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: no way, Yeah, and that was that was fun. You know,
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: I met some of the actors, you know, like Harrison fort.
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: This is a lot of fun.
• 51:36
  Speaker 3: He's a lot of fun. He always seems like a
• 51:38
  Speaker 3: cranky bastard to me.
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: It's all, it's all. Uh, it's an act. He's actually
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: the nicest dude ever.
• 51:46
  Speaker 3: Did he ask you to go flying his plane with him?
• 51:49
  Speaker 3: Because he's a he's an airplane pilot, and he's crashed
• 51:51
  Speaker 3: a couple of times, so be kind of careful.
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: No, I didn't get that advice. I didn't get that
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: invite yet.
• 52:00
  Speaker 3: Soon soon. Did you meet Ryan Gosling as well?
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's he He drives really fast.
• 52:06
  Speaker 3: Really, he was a driver in a movie at one
• 52:09
  Speaker 3: time too.
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's no joke. That's actually a documentary. He wasn't
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: he was just driving around.
• 52:17
  Speaker 3: Is he is? Uh, I'm not. I'm not gay. But
• 52:20
  Speaker 3: is he as pretty in real life? Every bit of
• 52:24
  Speaker 3: it you would imagine?
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, every every bit of it. And Harrison Fart too
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: is in pretty good shape for his age, you know,
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: like and I I the only thing I said to
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: him was like doctor Jones, Doctor Jones. I'm sure you
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: love that, yeah, because you know, Indiana Jones was the
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: best thing the Mess movie growing up.
• 52:44
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, absolutely absolutely. That is so cool though, that
• 52:48
  Speaker 3: music actually makes a lot of sense for what you're
• 52:50
  Speaker 3: doing now.
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I want to do more of that.
• 52:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Do you think do you think that that kind
• 52:57
  Speaker 3: of cynthi noir kind of genre is going to stick around? Yes?
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: I think there's a lot of stuff that is uh
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: that is happening in music and film scoring that Like,
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: he has that kind of vibe and funny enough, I've
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: also matched one of the sound sanus for the original one.
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: Uh probably within uh we hang out that nam and stuff,
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: and he was the the synth uh tag for uh
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: Stevie Wonder. So I actually met Stevie Wonders though that
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: was weird, uh a random. Yeah. He looked at me
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: in the eye and said, yeah, I know, I know
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: what you did.
• 53:47
  Speaker 3: That's incredible. This is this is a great Uh. I
• 53:51
  Speaker 3: feel like I feel like you live a very interesting life.
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: And I've always wanted to be one degree of separation
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: from Stevie Wonder, and here I am.
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah that's true man, Yeah, Like and uh, it's the
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: thing with in the uh la is that right? Like
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: you can be in a tiny bar then Stevie Wonder
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: walks in with like a bunch of security and they
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: just jams and goals and fox off. Yeah, LA's creates
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: a crazy place.
• 54:18
  Speaker 3: He's the greatest drummer in soul. Do you guys know.
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: That I've seen his drumm. He's unbelievable.
• 54:24
  Speaker 3: Dude, He's fucking rips on the drums that he should
• 54:28
  Speaker 3: be doing that more often anyways.
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 54:33
  Speaker 3: Well, felipe man. Uh, glad that we got to talk
• 54:36
  Speaker 3: to you. Uh love Northern Uh. I'm hoping you gotta
• 54:41
  Speaker 3: do some convincing of the of the family here. But
• 54:44
  Speaker 3: I'm hoping Mason and I can come to post best
• 54:48
  Speaker 3: because that sounds like such a blasts right up our rally.
• 54:51
  Speaker 3: We love so many of the bands that are on
• 54:53
  Speaker 3: that list.
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we love the.
• 54:54
  Speaker 3: New album from you. Uh and Uh, I think I
• 54:58
  Speaker 3: think your design is amazing. I mean you are the
• 55:01
  Speaker 3: total package in terms of a creative monster. I love it.
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: I'm just like out of necessity, like wearing all the hats,
• 55:10
  Speaker 2: Like how many hats you wear? Like I was like, yes,
• 55:12
  Speaker 2: I wear all of them.
• 55:16
  Speaker 3: I love it. Well, thank you so much for coming
• 55:18
  Speaker 3: on man. You You've been great and really looking forward
• 55:22
  Speaker 3: to seeing where this goes.
• 55:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, man, thanks for having me appreciated.