Latest / Halo Territory: A Los Angeles Angels Podcast / Angels still scrambling to secure a local television rights deal
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- 0:09Speaker 1: Hey, Angel fans, and welcome back to Halo territory. I'm
- 0:13Speaker 1: Mike di Giovanna, former LA Times baseball writer and host
- 0:18Speaker 1: of the show. I'm going to start out today with
- 0:21Speaker 1: a quick question for Angel fans, but it might seem
- 0:24Speaker 1: more like a trick question. What channel will you be
- 0:27Speaker 1: watching your Halo's on this year? Have no idea me neither.
- 0:32Speaker 1: In the regular season is two months away. The Angel's
- 0:36Speaker 1: TV situation right now is about as muddled as this
- 0:39Speaker 1: team's plan to get back to the playoffs. But hopefully
- 0:42Speaker 1: the two guys on the show today will be able
- 0:44Speaker 1: to shed some light on it. Evan Drelich of The
- 0:47Speaker 1: Athletic and Bill Shakin of the Los Angeles Times. Welcome
- 0:51Speaker 1: to the show, guys, how are we doing today?
- 0:54Speaker 2: Hi?
- 0:55Speaker 1: Yadiej Good to see you man all right? That really
- 0:59Speaker 1: appreciate you both joining us. A little background on these
- 1:02Speaker 1: two fine scribes. Evan covers the business of baseball with
- 1:06Speaker 1: a special emphasis on the Commissioner's office for The Athletic,
- 1:10Speaker 1: and he's written extensively about MLB's TV situation. He has
- 1:14Speaker 1: also written an outstanding book on the Houston Astros sign
- 1:19Speaker 1: stealing scandal called Winning fixes everything, and if you haven't
- 1:24Speaker 1: read it, I strongly urge you to go buy it
- 1:26Speaker 1: download it. It's a great read, especially for you Dodger
- 1:30Speaker 1: fans who are still ticked off about that twenty seventeen
- 1:33Speaker 1: World Series. Bill Shakin is the national baseball writer for
- 1:37Speaker 1: the Los Angeles Times, a two time California Sports Writer
- 1:41Speaker 1: of the Year winner, and he also focuses heavily on
- 1:44Speaker 1: the business side of the game. And I was lucky
- 1:47Speaker 1: enough to call Shake a colleague for almost three decades
- 1:51Speaker 1: at the Times. Thanks again both of you for joining us. Evan,
- 1:54Speaker 1: let's start with you. The Angels in twenty eleven signed
- 1:59Speaker 1: a twenty year, three billion dollar deal with Fox Sports
- 2:02Speaker 1: West when that paid them one hundred and fifty million
- 2:05Speaker 1: dollars a year, and now they're among tutors in Major
- 2:09Speaker 1: League Baseball, NBA and NHL teams scrambling for TV partners.
- 2:14Speaker 1: How the heck did we get here?
- 2:17Speaker 3: People stop watching? I think is the short answer. Ditch
- 2:21Speaker 3: everything I write about, or ninety eight percent of what
- 2:24Speaker 3: I write about. And I think it's true for Shake
- 2:26Speaker 3: as well. Comes back down to money, and the money
- 2:29Speaker 3: has just started to dry up for these regional sports networks.
- 2:33Speaker 3: You know, there was a time less than a decade
- 2:35Speaker 3: ago when the channel that the Angels are on now
- 2:40Speaker 3: and a group of other regional sports networks for valued
- 2:42Speaker 3: at ten billion dollars uh, and they've lost I don't know,
- 2:45Speaker 3: maybe ninety percent of their worth since then. People stopped
- 2:51Speaker 3: subscribing to cable and TV packages, satellite. You know, there's
- 2:56Speaker 3: been some cord cutters, some people jump to YouTube, TV
- 2:59Speaker 3: and other digital packages, but there's just fewer people regularly subscribing,
- 3:03Speaker 3: which means that there's less money going to these stations,
- 3:07Speaker 3: the third party regional sports networks, and then there's less
- 3:09Speaker 3: money going to the teams. And what's going on right
- 3:13Speaker 3: now is that for basically the second time in a year,
- 3:18Speaker 3: the channel that the Angels are on fanduels networks, which
- 3:22Speaker 3: are owned by this company called main Street, are trying
- 3:25Speaker 3: to pay less to the teams and renegotiate all the
- 3:28Speaker 3: rights fees that they are contractually obligated to pay. We
- 3:33Speaker 3: will see if any of these teams actually go back
- 3:36Speaker 3: to FanDuel. Major League Baseball's taken over the broadcast for
- 3:40Speaker 3: several of its teams. Right now, there's at least seven
- 3:43Speaker 3: teams that Major League Baseball itself is going to be
- 3:45Speaker 3: the broadcast partner for in twenty twenty six, which you know,
- 3:49Speaker 3: if you had said to somebody five years ago, hey,
- 3:51Speaker 3: MLB is going to effectively be the regional sports network
- 3:54Speaker 3: for you know, a fifth of the teams in the
- 3:57Speaker 3: league or more. I think people would have thought you
- 3:59Speaker 3: were pretty crazy. But that's the world we're in now,
- 4:01Speaker 3: where some teams feel that they're going to get more
- 4:03Speaker 3: money from Major League Baseball than they will from the
- 4:06Speaker 3: traditional third party partner. And there's a difference in the
- 4:10Speaker 3: way it works whether you're with the third party traditional
- 4:13Speaker 3: ARSON or you're with MLB. A third party, traditional ARSON
- 4:19Speaker 3: guarantees you some amount of money going into the year.
- 4:20Speaker 3: They're going to say your right season worth thirty million
- 4:23Speaker 3: or forty million or fifty whatever. MLB saying, we're not
- 4:27Speaker 3: promising anything. Whatever you bring in, whatever we're able to sell,
- 4:31Speaker 3: that's what you're going to get. So it's this slowly
- 4:34Speaker 3: crumbling third party regional sports network environment that the Angels
- 4:38Speaker 3: are one of many teams swept up in.
- 4:42Speaker 1: Shake. Let's hone in on the Angels. It seems like
- 4:45Speaker 1: they've been TV nomads now for the last few years,
- 4:49Speaker 1: can you sort of clarify how they went from Fox
- 4:52Speaker 1: Sports West to Bally Sports West to fan Duel Sports
- 4:55Speaker 1: West and who knows where they'll be next.
- 5:00Speaker 2: Sure, so, as a lot of things do in Southern
- 5:03Speaker 2: California baseball, it all goes back to Frank McCourt. When
- 5:06Speaker 2: Frank McCourt was selling the Dodgers in bankruptcy court Fox Sports.
- 5:11Speaker 2: Remember they have two rsns, Fox Sports West in prime
- 5:14Speaker 2: ticket and while they had both the Dodgers and the Angels,
- 5:18Speaker 2: what they were really worried about was having none. What
- 5:20Speaker 2: if Frank McCourt took the Dodgers somewhere else or then
- 5:23Speaker 2: their new owners did, and the Angels decided, we'll go
- 5:27Speaker 2: somewhere else too. So Fox took the three billion dollars
- 5:31Speaker 2: it was marketed for Frank mccurt, and since that was
- 5:35Speaker 2: in limbo and bankruptcy, gave it to Artie Marino and said,
- 5:37Speaker 2: here's your new contract. Great, you're the Angels. You have
- 5:40Speaker 2: lots of money. And they went out inside Albert Pools
- 5:43Speaker 2: with that money. Fast forward a few years and now
- 5:49Speaker 2: Fox Entertainment, which is much bigger than Fox Sports, gets
- 5:52Speaker 2: sold to Disney and the Justice Department says, you know what,
- 5:58Speaker 2: ESPN and all the Fox regionals sports channels. That's too
- 6:01Speaker 2: much sports in one place. So they had to sell
- 6:05Speaker 2: the regional sports channels to a company called Sinclair. So
- 6:09Speaker 2: now Fox is out time passes. And then we go
- 6:13Speaker 2: to what Evan had started to talk about, which is
- 6:16Speaker 2: the audience just keeps joindling, and the money in regional
- 6:20Speaker 2: sports networks is getting people who don't watch them to
- 6:23Speaker 2: still pay you for them. You bought a bundle, you
- 6:25Speaker 2: don't watch fifty three of the channels, you watch your four,
- 6:28Speaker 2: but you pay for all fifty seven. So that's collapsing.
- 6:33Speaker 2: So as it turns out, as Evan indicated, like the
- 6:38Speaker 2: Sinclair product, which was sold later as Balle's is a
- 6:41Speaker 2: product name has evolved into the main street product, which
- 6:47Speaker 2: is sold as FanDuel has evolved into we just don't know.
- 6:51Speaker 2: So that's kind of where we span. And the twenty
- 6:54Speaker 2: year contract that looks so good for the Angels back
- 6:57Speaker 2: in twenty eleven, it's already been blown up. It's worth
- 7:01Speaker 2: less than it was then, it's about to be worthless.
- 7:04Speaker 2: And as Evan indicated, if the Angels end up going
- 7:07Speaker 2: with Major League Baseball, there may be zero guaranteed revue entirely.
- 7:11Speaker 1: Well, that was kind of going to be my follow
- 7:13Speaker 1: up question. There's shake at the time. That deal in
- 7:15Speaker 1: twenty eleven for a granted, a major market team, but
- 7:20Speaker 1: the second team to the Dodgers in that market, that
- 7:23Speaker 1: had to be a pretty darn good deal for the Angels.
- 7:26Speaker 2: Right, Oh yeah, it sure was. And again it was
- 7:29Speaker 2: just out of desperation. If you have a regional sports
- 7:32Speaker 2: network and you don't have baseball, you got nothing all summer.
- 7:36Speaker 2: And Fox was looking at two regional sports networks with
- 7:40Speaker 2: no baseball, so that was the price they had to pay.
- 7:43Speaker 1: Wow. Evan, how have major league teams, specifically the Angels
- 7:49Speaker 1: been impacted by this? We've mentioned some of the financial implications,
- 7:53Speaker 1: but I assume they've been huge.
- 7:56Speaker 3: It's always money. Everything comes down to money this world,
- 8:00Speaker 3: and they're you know, the exact amount of money the
- 8:03Speaker 3: Angels have lost. Bill would probably know better than me,
- 8:06Speaker 3: but I think twenty thirty percent for any team that
- 8:09Speaker 3: was with this company, main Street Sports, which operates these
- 8:13Speaker 3: fan dual sports networks, at a minimum, they've lost that
- 8:17Speaker 3: in the last year alone. And the way these owners
- 8:23Speaker 3: think and operate that that very often will translate into well,
- 8:27Speaker 3: we're not getting the money we expected to get from TV,
- 8:31Speaker 3: so we're going to spend less than x y Z areas,
- 8:33Speaker 3: And often x y Z areas means yeah, we're not
- 8:36Speaker 3: signing that next reliever, or we're gonna, you know, stay
- 8:39Speaker 3: out of free agency, or not going to make that trade,
- 8:42Speaker 3: or at the very least, if you're a cynic, you'll say, well,
- 8:44Speaker 3: there's an easy excuse for a team not to participate
- 8:47Speaker 3: in a certain way. But I do think there is
- 8:49Speaker 3: a real matter of uncertainty that they're all dealing with
- 8:52Speaker 3: here and not knowing what their actual TV revenue will
- 8:55Speaker 3: be in twenty twenty six. Now, I want to hedge
- 8:59Speaker 3: you out a little bit by pointing out that any
- 9:02Speaker 3: team that is with this company, main Street Sports Group
- 9:05Speaker 3: that operates these FanDuel networks, there are nine MLB teams
- 9:09Speaker 3: that were slated to be partners for twenty six. They
- 9:14Speaker 3: all ran back to FanDuel after FanDuel was in bankruptcy.
- 9:17Speaker 3: A FanDuel Sports network in a previous name of the company,
- 9:20Speaker 3: Diamond Sports Group that Shak was talking about. They were
- 9:23Speaker 3: known as Bally's back then, so they were already crumbling
- 9:26Speaker 3: and a bunch of teams looked at it and said, well,
- 9:29Speaker 3: I still think I could make more going with them,
- 9:31Speaker 3: And so you kind of that empathy for the position
- 9:34Speaker 3: of the team's are in not knowing what's coming in.
- 9:36Speaker 3: But also they chose to go back to a network
- 9:39Speaker 3: that had just emerged from bankruptcy, and during that bankruptcy,
- 9:42Speaker 3: MLB was by far the most vocal critic of the plan.
- 9:46Speaker 3: Of the projected numbers that Main Street Sports Group was saying,
- 9:49Speaker 3: we could hit. So it's not good all around, is
- 9:54Speaker 3: how I would sum it up.
- 9:56Speaker 1: Shake. We've seen some numbers thrown around regarding the Angels.
- 9:59Speaker 1: How much do we know how much they've lost over
- 10:03Speaker 1: the last few years, and how much did they stand
- 10:05Speaker 1: to lose in the next few years because of the situation.
- 10:10Speaker 2: Ardie Marie now said last spring before the start of
- 10:12Speaker 2: the season that he was looking in the fifty million
- 10:15Speaker 2: dollars a year range. That was not necessarily all because
- 10:18Speaker 2: of the TV deal, But when you've got a guy
- 10:20Speaker 2: who's taken pride in running a break even operation, that's
- 10:24Speaker 2: probably not what you want to hear if you're a
- 10:27Speaker 2: fan of the team. I think the bigger problem is
- 10:29Speaker 2: that when the fan Duel slash Diamond slash Main Street
- 10:35Speaker 2: Sas Valley's group got out of bankruptcy, the teams made
- 10:41Speaker 2: their new TV deals about the time the regular season
- 10:45Speaker 2: ended last year, not exactly, but close enough to where
- 10:51Speaker 2: the teams could go into their winter Baseball shopping mode
- 10:55Speaker 2: with that idea of what the television revenue was going
- 10:57Speaker 2: to be. The bad news is it's going to be.
- 11:00Speaker 2: The good news is at least you know what it is.
- 11:03Speaker 2: This is coming up now so close to spring training
- 11:05Speaker 2: that teams are kind of paralyzed. And I don't think
- 11:08Speaker 2: it's just the Angels because you don't have that certainty.
- 11:12Speaker 2: You have absolutely no idea. As Evan indicated, if you
- 11:16Speaker 2: go with MLB, you may have zero guaranteed revenue at
- 11:19Speaker 2: this point. You can't even count on taking a discount.
- 11:22Speaker 2: You may be counting on taking nothing. And that makes
- 11:25Speaker 2: it really hard, certainly for any general manager to get
- 11:28Speaker 2: a budget.
- 11:30Speaker 1: Well the Angels GM Perrymansium has been pretty coy about
- 11:33Speaker 1: his plans and for this winner and how his budget
- 11:38Speaker 1: is impacted by all of this. But as we know,
- 11:40Speaker 1: actions speak louder than words, and it's clear these financial
- 11:44Speaker 1: losses have impacted the Angels. The projected payroll for twenty
- 11:48Speaker 1: twenty six is one hundred and seventy eight million. That's
- 11:51Speaker 1: forty three million dollars less than their two hundred and
- 11:54Speaker 1: twenty million dollar payroll to end twenty twenty five. They
- 11:59Speaker 1: did say twelve million this past winner by trading Taylor
- 12:02Speaker 1: Ward to the Baltimore Orioles, but they've spent seventeen million
- 12:07Speaker 1: total on five free agents this winter. Shake how long
- 12:11Speaker 1: can the Angels continue to operate this operate like this?
- 12:17Speaker 2: I can't say it's a whole lot different than what
- 12:19Speaker 2: we've done in the previous few winters. The plan, as
- 12:24Speaker 2: best we can tell, has been rush a lot of
- 12:28Speaker 2: young kids into the team, sometimes with very limited time
- 12:31Speaker 2: in the major leagues, hope for the best, and then
- 12:34Speaker 2: if enough of them turn out. By the time the
- 12:36Speaker 2: Angels are rid of Anthony red Doones contract, the general
- 12:40Speaker 2: manager can go back to Artie Marina and say, okay,
- 12:42Speaker 2: now can we start spending. But the Angels renegotiated the
- 12:46Speaker 2: last year of red Doones contract already, and as you see,
- 12:49Speaker 2: they're not spending now. The question is that because of
- 12:52Speaker 2: the TV, Is it because of other business losses or frankly,
- 12:56Speaker 2: is it the young core has not developed up the
- 13:00Speaker 2: way I think the team leadership hoped it would. So
- 13:04Speaker 2: if you're to look at the Angels right now and say,
- 13:07Speaker 2: are there any of those young guys who would sign
- 13:09Speaker 2: to a long term contract, there's one zach Netto, there's
- 13:12Speaker 2: nobody else. That's where you could say, the next time
- 13:15Speaker 2: the Angels win the American League West, this guy will
- 13:18Speaker 2: be part of it. So I think all those things
- 13:20Speaker 2: play together.
- 13:22Speaker 1: Heavan are other teams around the league that are caught
- 13:24Speaker 1: up in this situation as impacted as the Angels appear
- 13:27Speaker 1: to be.
- 13:29Speaker 3: Absolutely. I talked to general manager with a different team
- 13:33Speaker 3: who's also part of the Main Street Sports group FanDuel
- 13:37Speaker 3: Sports Network family, and that general manager was quite blunt
- 13:41Speaker 3: that they just don't know what they can spend. And again,
- 13:46Speaker 3: there are cynics who or even skeptics who will say, well,
- 13:51Speaker 3: they weren't going to spend anyway, and is this just
- 13:54Speaker 3: a shield to avoid spending. But at the same time,
- 13:58Speaker 3: you know, if you entered this past offseason at the
- 14:01Speaker 3: end of the regular season in twenty twenty five thinking
- 14:03Speaker 3: this a certain rights fee was coming your way, and
- 14:08Speaker 3: then in late December, everything starts to crumble. You can
- 14:13Speaker 3: have a little bit of use the word again, empathy
- 14:15Speaker 3: for that position and again hedging it against well, you
- 14:20Speaker 3: went back to a company that was financially unstable. And
- 14:23Speaker 3: the reality is there's not a great alternative at the moment.
- 14:26Speaker 3: And I think we could talk more about the future here,
- 14:29Speaker 3: but you're stuck between MLB or another third party regional
- 14:34Speaker 3: sports network, and many markets there isn't another one, and
- 14:38Speaker 3: so your only other choice really is to try to
- 14:40Speaker 3: start your own venture, which we've seen the Rangers do,
- 14:43Speaker 3: We've seen the White Sox do it. Nobody's lighting the
- 14:47Speaker 3: world on fire by doing it, and so it really
- 14:49Speaker 3: becomes everybody's just trying to get by until some sort
- 14:54Speaker 3: of dam breaks and you get a longer term solution
- 14:57Speaker 3: where everybody doesn't feel like they're always on pins the needles.
- 15:01Speaker 1: That was my next question, what are the immediate plans
- 15:04Speaker 1: of these teams, especially like the Angels who are impacted.
- 15:09Speaker 3: The immediate solution is just make as much money as
- 15:11Speaker 3: you possibly can. And you can argue that that's shortsighted
- 15:15Speaker 3: in the sense that there is one other option that
- 15:18Speaker 3: people have, which is to go over the air you know,
- 15:22Speaker 3: instead of having your your games be on cable and satellite.
- 15:27Speaker 3: You know what if you went with less money coming
- 15:29Speaker 3: into you but reaching more people. There's always this trade
- 15:32Speaker 3: off in the land of sports television between reach and revenue.
- 15:38Speaker 3: You'll reach more people if you're basically given away free
- 15:41Speaker 3: over the airwaves, but you'll you'll make less money, at
- 15:43Speaker 3: least in the short term. It doesn't seem like any
- 15:46Speaker 3: Major League Baseball teams are going to aggressively pursue over
- 15:50Speaker 3: the air. So in the short term, and I'm talking
- 15:53Speaker 3: about twenty six, twenty seven, twenty eight, you're trying to
- 15:56Speaker 3: maximize what you can. And then twenty eight going into
- 15:58Speaker 3: twenty nine is a really key year in baseball. The
- 16:03Speaker 3: national media rights deals in baseball, so that the contracts
- 16:06Speaker 3: that allow NBC now to host the Sunday night game,
- 16:11Speaker 3: that the Fox Saturday games, all those national contracts Fox
- 16:15Speaker 3: with the World Series expire after twenty eight, and so
- 16:18Speaker 3: twenty eight there's gonna be this renegotiation of national deals.
- 16:23Speaker 3: What the league would like to do is essentially sell
- 16:26Speaker 3: more local inventory, you know, so most teams have let's
- 16:30Speaker 3: say one hundred and thirty games, one hundred and forty
- 16:33Speaker 3: games that they give to their RSN, sell more of
- 16:38Speaker 3: that to national big streaming companies that might pay more
- 16:42Speaker 3: and also not only just take more games national literally
- 16:46Speaker 3: have some of these major streaming companies potentially become essentially
- 16:50Speaker 3: the RSN. So at ESPN starting next year has the rights, well,
- 16:56Speaker 3: they have the rights now, but we're not going to
- 16:58Speaker 3: see this take off until next year. But they any
- 17:01Speaker 3: team that MLB is handling the broadcast for right those
- 17:04Speaker 3: seven teams, there might be more. ESPN will soon stream
- 17:09Speaker 3: those on its services. And so you already have a
- 17:12Speaker 3: major streaming company that's saying, you know what, we'll just
- 17:15Speaker 3: act like like the RSNS used to. And there could
- 17:19Speaker 3: be big money in that. And the question is can
- 17:21Speaker 3: baseball get its media rights system in order? There's changes
- 17:25Speaker 3: that would have to be made to who controls the rights.
- 17:28Speaker 3: Potentially there's changes to revenue sharing between owners, and that's
- 17:33Speaker 3: something that actually has to get collectively bargained with the players.
- 17:37Speaker 3: There's a big shift that can happen in the next
- 17:39Speaker 3: couple of years. And the interesting thing will be can
- 17:42Speaker 3: baseball can Rob Manford pull it off? Shake?
- 17:45Speaker 1: Can can baseball pull that off? And I got a
- 17:49Speaker 1: hunch there's going to be some roadblocks to a deal
- 17:51Speaker 1: like that with teams like the Dodgers, the Mets, and
- 17:54Speaker 1: the Yankees who have these ridiculously humongous TV rights steals
- 17:59Speaker 1: in their local markets.
- 18:01Speaker 2: Oh absolutely. I mean the pitch of putting everybody's rights
- 18:06Speaker 2: into one bundle and going out whether it's ESPN or
- 18:10Speaker 2: YouTube or some technology we've not even heard of yet,
- 18:14Speaker 2: and saying you can have all the games. That sounds
- 18:17Speaker 2: great in a way for a fan, because there are
- 18:20Speaker 2: weekends now when you're like, Okay, the Angels are on
- 18:24Speaker 2: Fox one day, in ESPN the next. You need Amazon
- 18:28Speaker 2: Prime to follow the Yankees. Evan mentioned you know NBC
- 18:32Speaker 2: is involved. Now, Boy, wouldn't it be great if a
- 18:35Speaker 2: fan could just get up and say, whatever team I
- 18:38Speaker 2: want to watch, I'm just going to go to this
- 18:40Speaker 2: one place. It doesn't matter where I am. There's no blackouts.
- 18:44Speaker 2: That sounds great, but you need every team to be there.
- 18:47Speaker 2: So if you're the Dodgers, for example, and you're making
- 18:50Speaker 2: hundreds of millions of dollars a year in television revenue
- 18:54Speaker 2: from your sports and at la deal at a time,
- 18:56Speaker 2: a lot of these teams are making nothing or next
- 18:59Speaker 2: to nothing. You're gonna say, huh, competitive disadvantage for me.
- 19:04Speaker 2: So Rob Manfred, what are you going to give me
- 19:06Speaker 2: if you want the Dodgers' rights in that package? And
- 19:09Speaker 2: that's sort of what they're working for. There's all sorts
- 19:11Speaker 2: of things they could do. Maybe they adjust the Dodgers'
- 19:14Speaker 2: revenue sharing, Maybe they give Dodgers TV rights in Japan,
- 19:18Speaker 2: where they're obviously such a huge attraction already. You know,
- 19:21Speaker 2: who knows what. And again, as Evan pointed out, a
- 19:24Speaker 2: lot of that comes back to collective bargaining in the end.
- 19:28Speaker 2: You know, can major League Baseball do it with something
- 19:31Speaker 2: less than thirty teams? I mean probably, you know, it
- 19:34Speaker 2: may not be as attractive if you don't have your
- 19:36Speaker 2: marquee teams, but you know, if you're looking for a template,
- 19:40Speaker 2: it's what Major League soccer did. They went to Apple
- 19:43Speaker 2: and every game went to Apple and you had to
- 19:45Speaker 2: subscribe to Apple if you were a Major League soccer fan,
- 19:48Speaker 2: and it was great. It's one place to go. There
- 19:50Speaker 2: wasn't the kind of financial interest in watching Major League
- 19:54Speaker 2: soccer that there would be in watching Major League baseball,
- 19:57Speaker 2: So maybe that would pay out, but again.
- 20:00Speaker 1: We don't know.
- 20:00Speaker 2: What hasn't been tried. MLB thinks it's the pot of gold.
- 20:04Speaker 2: It may or may not be.
- 20:06Speaker 1: Evan, Is there enough time this season for teams to
- 20:09Speaker 1: get these deals done. Is there a chance any of
- 20:11Speaker 1: these teams gets left out in the cold.
- 20:14Speaker 3: I don't think there's any chance. Certainly, MLB projects full
- 20:19Speaker 3: confidence that everybody will be broadcast somehow, some way. We
- 20:23Speaker 3: haven't had a situation yet where truly people have have
- 20:27Speaker 3: been left out in the dark in this run of it.
- 20:32Speaker 3: In twenty twenty three, the prior version of Fan Dual
- 20:37Speaker 3: Sports Network, when it was under Bally and Diamond Sports
- 20:41Speaker 3: Group as a parent company, they dropped two teams. It
- 20:44Speaker 3: might have been three baseball teams in the middle of
- 20:46Speaker 3: the season, Diamondbacks and Padres, And that's when MLB first
- 20:50Speaker 3: stepped in. So one way or another, people are going
- 20:53Speaker 3: to be able to access their games. It is possible
- 20:56Speaker 3: that if you have kind of a last minute decision
- 20:58Speaker 3: here where some teams leaving Fan Duel for MLB. You know,
- 21:04Speaker 3: when somebody goes over to MLB, MLB that has to
- 21:06Speaker 3: negotiate all the different carriage agreements, meaning MLB goes to
- 21:10Speaker 3: the cable company in a satellite company. In some of
- 21:13Speaker 3: these markets, there are a lot of different little cable companies,
- 21:16Speaker 3: and is it possible that you know, one of those
- 21:19Speaker 3: deals isn't quite done on time. Yeah, it's totally possible.
- 21:22Speaker 3: My understanding is MLB and we've seen it does have
- 21:25Speaker 3: good relationships, you know, standing relationships with the major cable companies,
- 21:30Speaker 3: and so it would be I think very unlikely that
- 21:34Speaker 3: any team that goes to MLB wouldn't have a deal
- 21:36Speaker 3: in place with you know, whatever charter spectrum go down
- 21:39Speaker 3: the list. But again, the longer this drags on, the
- 21:44Speaker 3: less time you have to sell. You have less time
- 21:47Speaker 3: to sell streaming packages. You know, every team that goes
- 21:51Speaker 3: to MLB you can pay probably about twenty bucks a month,
- 21:54Speaker 3: and you can bypass signing up for a bundle and
- 21:57Speaker 3: just get what they call direct to consumer. You can
- 21:59Speaker 3: get that your team's games just through that subscription. But
- 22:03Speaker 3: you don't want to start selling that an opening day.
- 22:05Speaker 3: You want to start selling that now. So you know,
- 22:08Speaker 3: I think in the next week here, it just would
- 22:11Speaker 3: be surprising if this drags much into February. And you know,
- 22:14Speaker 3: the big question is can fan Duel find more cash,
- 22:17Speaker 3: Can they find a buyer, whether it's de Zone spelled
- 22:20Speaker 3: da z n, or is it somebody else that can
- 22:24Speaker 3: kind of come in and keep this thing standing up.
- 22:28Speaker 3: And we're going to find out the history of this
- 22:31Speaker 3: is that some teams when Diamond excuse me now, main
- 22:33Speaker 3: Street tries to renegotiate, some teams stay, some teams go.
- 22:37Speaker 3: And if I if I were a betting man, and
- 22:39Speaker 3: thankfully I'm not, that would be my guess as to
- 22:41Speaker 3: what happens here. So long is that company remains viable.
- 22:45Speaker 3: There's at least, you know, a non zero chance that
- 22:48Speaker 3: Main Street Sports Group after the basketball hockey seasons decides
- 22:52Speaker 3: to wind down and basically fold, and you know, we'll see,
- 22:56Speaker 3: we'll see if that actually comes to pass.
- 22:58Speaker 1: Is there as fault go ahead shake that's going to
- 23:02Speaker 1: jump in.
- 23:03Speaker 2: The teams are pretty much asked main Street like, hey,
- 23:08Speaker 2: by the end of this week, we got to know,
- 23:11Speaker 2: and we don't want to know how much of a
- 23:12Speaker 2: discount you're giving us. That's the bad news. We're already
- 23:16Speaker 2: used to the bad news. We want to know how
- 23:18Speaker 2: you're going to guarantee that we get paid that money,
- 23:22Speaker 2: so if you decide to go bankrupt again, we're not
- 23:24Speaker 2: stiffed on even that little bit of money you're giving us,
- 23:27Speaker 2: and if they don't get an answer by the end
- 23:29Speaker 2: of this week, my suspicion is just about everybody goes
- 23:33Speaker 2: MLB because I don't think the league is going to
- 23:35Speaker 2: encourage teams to take an offer where you don't even
- 23:38Speaker 2: know if you're getting all the money in this bad offer.
- 23:42Speaker 1: Wow. Well, that was going to be my closing question
- 23:45Speaker 1: for both of you, guys. I want you to finish
- 23:48Speaker 1: this sentence. It's Opening Day twenty twenty six. You can
- 23:55Speaker 1: watch the Angels game on Shake. What do you got?
- 24:00Speaker 2: I think probably MLB will put together a package because
- 24:06Speaker 2: if they're serious about needing to know this week, that
- 24:08Speaker 2: gives them, you know what, a month a month and
- 24:11Speaker 2: a half to get it up and running, and they
- 24:14Speaker 2: can do that. As Evan indicated, they've had plenty of
- 24:17Speaker 2: experience with these other teams by now. So Bill with
- 24:21Speaker 2: something you know is going to be there at the
- 24:23Speaker 2: end of the season, versus take some money from an
- 24:25Speaker 2: entity you don't know whether they're going to be there
- 24:27Speaker 2: at the end of the season.
- 24:29Speaker 3: I haven't spent enough I've spent enough time on sports
- 24:32Speaker 3: talk radio, so you know that I'm better off taking
- 24:35Speaker 3: a counter position here, and I actually this is speculative,
- 24:38Speaker 3: and I want to put out this is speculative on
- 24:40Speaker 3: my part, but I think it's somewhat telling that they
- 24:44Speaker 3: are waiting the fact that they are, that they have
- 24:47Speaker 3: not just said screw this, we're out at this point,
- 24:50Speaker 3: and we expect some teams have basically said that, and
- 24:53Speaker 3: they probably want to make a collective decision, make one
- 24:55Speaker 3: announcement at once. But it tells me that they would
- 25:00Speaker 3: prefer that FanDuel still exists and that they could get
- 25:04Speaker 3: their so called guaranteed right sees. And so for the
- 25:10Speaker 3: sake of the argument, I'll say that somehow, some way,
- 25:14Speaker 3: vanduels still round come opening day, and I think teams
- 25:18Speaker 3: want that. I don't think teams want to go to
- 25:19Speaker 3: NLB because they would have done it a year ago.
- 25:21Speaker 3: They would, you know, it's they still like that guaranteed money.
- 25:25Speaker 3: So I'll say the opposite of shape, they're on fans.
- 25:29Speaker 2: I'll just say a wild is that for the other
- 25:33Speaker 2: team in Anaheim, the Ducks hockey team, they're on free streaming.
- 25:39Speaker 2: They're on a service called Victory Plus, which I think
- 25:41Speaker 2: the Texas Rangers are also so you can watch every
- 25:45Speaker 2: game and you don't have to pay anything, And they're
- 25:47Speaker 2: trying to gather eight i'ms right to gather as much
- 25:50Speaker 2: possible what they call reach the greatest possible audiences they
- 25:53Speaker 2: can and try to sell advertising based on that. They
- 25:57Speaker 2: also have a number of games that are on low
- 26:00Speaker 2: over the air TV at Channel eleven and Channel thirteen.
- 26:03Speaker 2: So I wouldn't be surprised if the Angels have at
- 26:06Speaker 2: least talked to the Ducks to see how that works.
- 26:08Speaker 2: And now that the hockey season is well underway, are
- 26:11Speaker 2: you making money from that? Is it feasible? Does it
- 26:14Speaker 2: seem like you know there's a long term path there,
- 26:17Speaker 2: but in the end, I don't know that that's the
- 26:20Speaker 2: route they're going to take.
- 26:22Speaker 1: Well, that'll do it for this episode of Halo Territory.
- 26:26Speaker 1: You want to thank Evan Drelich and Bill Shaken for
- 26:29Speaker 1: joining us. Really appreciate your input. Please like and subscribe,
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