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Breaking News! Missing Colorado mom's fiance' arrested on murder charge; Little boy locked under stairs & starved · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: news update from crime online dot com. I'm Alan Duke,
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  Speaker 1: an arrest in the disappearance of Colorado mom Kelsey Barrett.
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  Speaker 1: Her fiance, Patrick Frazy, has been taken into custody by
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  Speaker 1: Woodland Park, Colorado investigators Friday morning. He is the father
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  Speaker 1: of Bareth's young daughter. This is a case Nancy Grace
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  Speaker 1: has followed closely. Nancy, that's right, Alan. In the last hours,
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  Speaker 1: the fiance missing mom Kelsey Beareth has been arrested in
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  Speaker 1: connection with her death. According to reports. This is what
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  Speaker 1: we know right now. Patrick Frazy, the fiance and missing
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  Speaker 1: mom of a one year old taught girl, Kelsey, has
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  Speaker 1: been arrested hauled away in handcus from his home his
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  Speaker 1: sprawling thirty five Anchor ranch. Now, Bareth, as you know,
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  Speaker 1: just twenty nine flight instruct a mother of a little girl,
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  Speaker 1: has been missing since Thanksgiving. Now. According to sources, everything
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  Speaker 1: unfolded very rapidly in just the last hours. Police are
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  Speaker 1: now saying, Alan that they no longer believe Kelsey is alive.
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  Speaker 1: And I've got to tell you this is hitting me
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  Speaker 1: and so many other moms across the country really hard
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  Speaker 1: as we all are getting ready for the holiday season,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm thinking about Kelsey's little girl who will not
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  Speaker 1: have mommy or daddy at Christmas. Now. Only afternoon of
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  Speaker 1: November twenty two, Phrasie claimed he picked up the daughter
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  Speaker 1: Kelly from Beareth, and police see after that the only
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  Speaker 1: signs of Beareth were text messages from her cell phone
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  Speaker 1: that pinged off a cell phone tower all the way
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  Speaker 1: eight hundred miles away in Gooding, Idaho. And coincidentally, those
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  Speaker 1: two texts were only two Kelsey's mother and to the fiancee. Allan,
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  Speaker 1: you and I both thought it thought it very unusual
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  Speaker 1: that the police would release the contents of the text
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  Speaker 1: to the mom excuse me, the boss, but not to
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  Speaker 1: the fiancee. And the text to the boss was saying
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  Speaker 1: I won't be in for a week. So I'm guessing, Alan,
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  Speaker 1: if I were to give an educated guess that police
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  Speaker 1: managed to get ping evidence that we have been discussing
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  Speaker 1: at i'm online dot com and crime Stories for the
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  Speaker 1: past week, ping evidence possibly placing Phrasie's phone at the
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  Speaker 1: same location as that mystery ping eight hundred miles away.
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  Speaker 1: That's the best and most educated investigative guests I could
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  Speaker 1: give right now, But we wait for this all to unfold,
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  Speaker 1: and we also are trying to find out who has
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  Speaker 1: baby Kelly. It's just a big disappointment. The search for
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  Speaker 1: Kelsey Beareth has ended. Police now say they are on
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  Speaker 1: a mission to find her remains. Alan Frazy was taken
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  Speaker 1: into custody at his Teller County, Colorado home Friday morning,
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  Speaker 1: and court documents reveal he's charged with first degree murder.
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  Speaker 1: Investigators say they don't believe that Kelsey Beareth is alive,
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  Speaker 1: missing since Thanksgiving Day, Kelsey was seen on security camera
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  Speaker 1: video with her one year old daughter shopping at a
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  Speaker 1: Safeway grocery store in Woodland Park that day. Her cell
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  Speaker 1: phone peemed about eight hundred miles away in Idaho on
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  Speaker 1: November twenty fifth. The arrest comes hours after investigators from
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  Speaker 1: the Colorado Bureau of Investigation, the Woodland Park Police Department,
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  Speaker 1: and FBI returned to Barrett's home Thursday night. They were
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  Speaker 1: seen bringing large brown bags out of the home but
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  Speaker 1: it's unclear what was inside. They searched Phrase's thirty five
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  Speaker 1: acre ranch last weekend, but they didn't find any signs
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  Speaker 1: of the missing woman. This was Woodland Park Police Chief
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  Speaker 1: Miles to Young a week ago telling reporters about their suspicions. Then,
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  Speaker 1: based on information developed during the course of this investigation,
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  Speaker 1: and because of the length of time it's been twenty
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  Speaker 1: three days that has passed since Kelsey was last seen,
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  Speaker 1: our investigators believe that Kelsey's disappearance is more suspicious and
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  Speaker 1: that she is not intentionally of avoiding efforts to find her.
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  Speaker 1: We are looking at all avenues and our focus is
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  Speaker 1: on finding Kelsey. Investigators of Team to search warrant today
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  Speaker 1: correction yesterday on a property nearby in Teller County, Colorado.
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  Speaker 1: That search is currently being conducted. This property is where
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  Speaker 1: Patrick Frazie is known to reside. Authorities say the one
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  Speaker 1: year old daughter who was in Phrasie's custody until his
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  Speaker 1: arrest is safe, and they're saying very little about that arrest.
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  Speaker 1: The arrest warrant is sealed and Phrasie's first appearance in
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  Speaker 1: court has not been set. A big question now if
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  Speaker 1: Phrasie is guilty. Will he do what Colorado dad Chris
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  Speaker 1: Watts did recently? Will he reveal where his victim's body
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  Speaker 1: is hidden. Watts, who finally admitted to murdering his pregnant wife,
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  Speaker 1: Shannon and their two young daughters in August, is serving
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  Speaker 1: several prison sentences, but he avoided the death penalty prosecution
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  Speaker 1: by ultimately cooperating with investigators and taking a police from prosecutors.
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  Speaker 1: For the latest on the search for Kelsey Barrett and
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  Speaker 1: the evidence against her fiance, go to Nancy Grace's crime
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  Speaker 1: and justice website crime online dot Com Crime Stories with
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  Speaker 1: Nancy Grace, CPS and sais. The boy was just fine
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  Speaker 1: when they visited five weeks ago, but you have information
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  Speaker 1: about prior abuse this boy has suffered for a long
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  Speaker 1: long time. Tell us well the abuse that we've seen,
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  Speaker 1: of course, as the starvation. We don't know exactly when,
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  Speaker 1: but we do know that the child was tasered by
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  Speaker 1: the father. There was an obviously verbal abuse, physical abuse.
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  Speaker 1: He pushed the child, He punished the child by putting
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  Speaker 1: the child in the corner, and when the child acted up,
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  Speaker 1: swam the child's head against the wall, causing bruises. The
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  Speaker 1: prior abuse six months ago, during the summer in Texas,
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  Speaker 1: he left the child in a hot car. The two
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  Speaker 1: front winners were rolled down but one inch. It was
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  Speaker 1: ninety eight degrees and the tenant of the house where
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  Speaker 1: the father was doing remodeling work contacted the landlord. The
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  Speaker 1: landlord called CPS, and CPS was involved when they saw
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  Speaker 1: the child. Allegedly, what I heard was the child was
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  Speaker 1: completely read all over, sweating just profusely, and a great distress,
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  Speaker 1: and the CPS did not take the child away. Five
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  Speaker 1: weeks ago here in Houston, the CPS was called again
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  Speaker 1: allegedly by the babysitter and the child had the starving.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know how long the child has been starved,
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  Speaker 1: but probably abuse happened either around that time or after
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  Speaker 1: that time, where the taser, the starvation, pushing the child
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  Speaker 1: and locking the child in the closet and leaving, you know,
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  Speaker 1: is what's been going on. What's what we're just learning about.
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  Speaker 1: Oh would the phrase rot in hell be too harsh,
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  Speaker 1: because I don't think so. This little boy, just five
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  Speaker 1: years old, was starved, forced to wear a diaper lock
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  Speaker 1: can they quote Harry Potter room under the stairs. This
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  Speaker 1: little boy, now nine, only way twenty nine pounds when
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  Speaker 1: he was found twenty nine pounds. You know, at that
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  Speaker 1: age I always refer to my son John David is
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  Speaker 1: my little horse. He already weighed, oh my goodness up
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  Speaker 1: in the seventies and Lucy in the fifties at least,
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  Speaker 1: and she's very slight. This little boy only weighed twenty
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  Speaker 1: nine pounds. In fact, doctors compared him and his state
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  Speaker 1: of malnourishment to a Holocaust survivor. How many times does
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  Speaker 1: it take to call CPS Child Protective Services or de
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  Speaker 1: FACTS Department of Family Children's Services before they actually do something.
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  Speaker 1: They are absolutely worthless. And if you're listening CPS, there
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  Speaker 1: I said it. This little boy locked in a closet
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  Speaker 1: the Hairy Potter room, forced to wear a diaper. If
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  Speaker 1: you could see the photos that I am looking at,
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  Speaker 1: his ribs are literally sticking out. He looks like a
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  Speaker 1: skeleton with skin on it. They forced him to live
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  Speaker 1: in a crawl space with exposed nails and wiring surrounding
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  Speaker 1: a lone mattress on the floor. You know, there is
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  Speaker 1: no punishment that suits these two. I mean, see Grace,
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  Speaker 1: this is crime stories. Thank you for being with me,
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  Speaker 1: with us an all Star panel. Doctor Bethany Marshall, renowned
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  Speaker 1: LA psychoanalyst, high profile lawyer out of Seattle. Anne Bremner,
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  Speaker 1: former federal prosecutor and the federal Czar for Child Protection.
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  Speaker 1: Francie Hakes, Joseph Scott Morgan, special guest, forensics professor Jacksonville
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  Speaker 1: State University, author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon
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  Speaker 1: and joining Me right Now. Crime Online dot Com investigative
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  Speaker 1: reporter Nicole Parton. Nicole, I don't know how this little
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  Speaker 1: boy even lived. Can you imagine? And congratulations Nicole Parton
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  Speaker 1: for the adoption, your most recent adoption being final a
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  Speaker 1: more loving heart. I do not know, and I know,
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  Speaker 1: like me, this must tear you up. How this little
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  Speaker 1: boy even live? Thank you, Nancy. And it is heartbreaking
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  Speaker 1: to even consider my son, also five years old. I
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  Speaker 1: can't imagine. It's miraculous that the little boy survived living
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  Speaker 1: in a cross space. The only food he was given
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  Speaker 1: a piece of bread that his siblings would sneak into him.
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  Speaker 1: How he survived, I do not know. His body completely emaciated,
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  Speaker 1: unbelievable that he survived, As you said, no punishment too good,
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  Speaker 1: And now we are learning his siblings Alison and Cody
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  Speaker 1: recall the moment they opened the cupboard this crawl space
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  Speaker 1: and called police, ultimately saving his life. Cody said he
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  Speaker 1: quote freaked out when one day he opened the closet
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  Speaker 1: and he saw the state that Jordan was in. His
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  Speaker 1: face was actually caved in, bruises all over his body, marks, bruises.
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  Speaker 1: His mouth was foaming. What does that mean to Josice
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  Speaker 1: Scott Morgan death investigator Jessicot, what does it mean when
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  Speaker 1: your mouth is starting to foam? In this particular case,
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  Speaker 1: this child is literally digesting his own body. So when
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  Speaker 1: you see this foaming from the mouth, what is happening
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  Speaker 1: is this child is going into acute respiratory failure. You
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  Speaker 1: get many times, you'll get this cone that will that
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  Speaker 1: will appear, Lungs begin to break down, Tissue begins to
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  Speaker 1: break down all throughout the body. A horrible, horrible way
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  Speaker 1: to die. Take a listen to this. She was convicted
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  Speaker 1: of leaving her stepson, who was then five years old,
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  Speaker 1: inside a closet and basically starved him to death. The
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  Speaker 1: women's biological children took the stand and told the court
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  Speaker 1: that their stepbrother was denied food as punishment. Now four
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  Speaker 1: years ago, the siblings found their then five year old
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  Speaker 1: stepson inside a locked closet under the stairs inside a
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  Speaker 1: Spring home, and pictures showed how malnourished the little boy was.
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  Speaker 1: The siblings also say that the boy was foaming at
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  Speaker 1: the mouth inside the closet, which had exposed nails and wires.
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  Speaker 1: They also said they could hear the sounds of the
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  Speaker 1: child's father shocking him with a taser. The resting agency
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  Speaker 1: at the time was a Harris County Preescinct four Constable's office,
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  Speaker 1: and the father, Bradley Blimeyer. He was convicted back in
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  Speaker 1: twenty sixteen and sentenced to fifteen years behind bars. Wait
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  Speaker 1: a minute, these two already had records, Nicole Parton, they did, Nancy.
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  Speaker 1: They both had records. They had both been previously investigated
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  Speaker 1: by CPS. Unbelievable that they still had children. Now step
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  Speaker 1: mom was pregnant with yet another child. I can't get it.
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  Speaker 1: I don't understand that. You're right, bloom I hear was
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  Speaker 1: six months pregnant at the time. Joining me right now.
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  Speaker 1: Francy Haggs, former federal prosecutor, federal czar in charge of
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  Speaker 1: child protection. Francy, could somebody explain to me why these
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  Speaker 1: two had a record for mistreating children and they still
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  Speaker 1: had the baby. They still had Jordan, just five years old, beaten, bruised,
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  Speaker 1: forced to live in a crawl space, forced to wear
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  Speaker 1: nothing but a diaper, and if he was lucky, the
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  Speaker 1: brother or sister could sneak him one piece of bread
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  Speaker 1: a day if he was lucky. Usually the brother and
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  Speaker 1: sister were too afraid of their mom of the mom
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  Speaker 1: to give him anything. So this child was so malnourished
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  Speaker 1: he was actually foaming at the mouth near death. That's
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  Speaker 1: what you see when a person dies of starvation, they
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  Speaker 1: foam at the mouth. I learned that the hard way. Well, Nancy,
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  Speaker 1: I think I can't explain it to you. Actually, it's
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  Speaker 1: all about incompetence. It is what we have going on
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  Speaker 1: in this country throughout the country. For CPS services in
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  Speaker 1: every state in this country. Their emphasis is on family reunification,
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  Speaker 1: and I think that means they just ignore the signs
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  Speaker 1: and children pay the price. Children don't have lobbyists, children
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  Speaker 1: don't have lawyers, and so children pay the price of
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  Speaker 1: evil people who are free to abuse them and a
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  Speaker 1: system who just doesn't care. Custody, hearing and regarding a
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  Speaker 1: six week old baby boy into today without a decision
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  Speaker 1: from the judge. That boy's mother is facing criminal charges
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  Speaker 1: related to a horrible child abuse case in Spring. I
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  Speaker 1: would just use supporter Tracy Clemens is live with the
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  Speaker 1: latest on the fate of the child. Tracy. It's Hammy
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  Speaker 1: Blameyer's parents are asking the court for custody their newest
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  Speaker 1: grandchild and his six siblings, but a decision on that
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  Speaker 1: is on hold at least until the end of the month.
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  Speaker 1: And obviously emotional, Tammy Blimeyer said four words to us today.
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  Speaker 1: Miss six of her children were taken after she and
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  Speaker 1: her estranged husband, Bradley Blimeyer were charged with child endangerment
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  Speaker 1: in March. They allegedly kept her five year old steps
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  Speaker 1: On Jordan, in a diaper and a closet inside their
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  Speaker 1: Spring home. Tammy's attorney, Manny Kayata, says she was a victim,
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  Speaker 1: possibly of domestic abuse. Only from the testimony we heard
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  Speaker 1: Bradley was very controlling, very prone to violence, and very intimidating.
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  Speaker 1: May have had weapons, and I've heard tell that he
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  Speaker 1: told people not to speak about what was going on.
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  Speaker 1: He threatened. Tammy gave birth to a little boy six
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  Speaker 1: weeks ago, and in lieu of her child endangerment charge.
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  Speaker 1: A judge issued a writ last week ordering her to
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  Speaker 1: surrender baby William to CPS when they couldn't find her,
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  Speaker 1: and amber alert was issued. Not served with the rid.
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  Speaker 1: The first time that she got served was when the
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  Speaker 1: SWAT team surrounded her yesterday and took the baby. Tammy
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  Speaker 1: wants her kids back. We'd like to see that baby returns.
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  Speaker 1: She's still breastfeed But today's hearing focused on her parents,
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  Speaker 1: who are seeking custody of all seven children. Her mother,
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  Speaker 1: Karen Dunn, took the stand. She's the one who called
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  Speaker 1: CPS in March to report that Jordan Blimeyer was being abused.
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  Speaker 1: She told the court that she made the call even
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  Speaker 1: though she didn't think Tammy would let her see any
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  Speaker 1: of her grandchildren anymore. Okay, yeah, nobody in that family
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  Speaker 1: should have any of these children. We are talking about
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  Speaker 1: the Timmy Blimeyer case. A little boy just five years old,
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  Speaker 1: forced to live in a crawl space start to the
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  Speaker 1: point he was foaming at the mouth. That's what happens
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  Speaker 1: in the hours just before you die. You lose control
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  Speaker 1: of your faculties. You might have bowel movements, you might urinate,
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  Speaker 1: you foam at the mouth. Your body is dying. This
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  Speaker 1: child can in bruises and cuts, living in a crawl space,
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  Speaker 1: the only thing in their alone mattress. And every day
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  Speaker 1: the parents would walk by that locked door time after
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  Speaker 1: time after time, knowing little Jordan was inside, and she
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  Speaker 1: wants her children back over my cold dead body. Rigor
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  Speaker 1: set in my fingers, clutching her throat. To doctor Bethany Marshall,
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  Speaker 1: renowned la psycho analysts, I don't get it, Bethany. And
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  Speaker 1: I learned this anecdotally, which means, you know, like by
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  Speaker 1: stories or real life incidents, not statistics I read in
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  Speaker 1: a book. I would notice when children were abused very often,
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  Speaker 1: not every time, but very often, one child would be
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  Speaker 1: the target, one child would be molested. Of course, there
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  Speaker 1: are plenty of cases when all the children would be
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  Speaker 1: molested or abused, but in a lot of cases the
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  Speaker 1: parents would target one child and the other children would
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  Speaker 1: be treated all right. And here is his mother's You
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  Speaker 1: already got six children and just had another baby, and
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  Speaker 1: she's like, oh, why are you taking my baby? Because
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  Speaker 1: you starved Jordan half dead, that's why, why Bethany Nancy
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  Speaker 1: I've written. I wrote my doctoral dissertation on a young
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  Speaker 1: woman I saw who grew up in a family where
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  Speaker 1: her mother hated, starved, deprived, and tortured her, but loved
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  Speaker 1: her younger sibling. And in a review of the literature,
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  Speaker 1: one of the things I noticed is that there's so
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  Speaker 1: many families that choose one child to love and one
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  Speaker 1: child to hate. But boy, the child that gets the
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  Speaker 1: hatred really gets at starvation, torture, beating. You covered a
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  Speaker 1: story on your shore show years ago of a little
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  Speaker 1: boy that was chained to a coffee table and he
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  Speaker 1: would have to sit at the foot of the coffee
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  Speaker 1: table watching his older siblings eat these wonderful meals. That
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  Speaker 1: was one of the forms of torture that the family
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  Speaker 1: inflicted upon him. I think with this family, first of all,
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  Speaker 1: they're having child after child. It's like they're growing a cult.
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  Speaker 1: They leave little Jordan in a hot car, it's like
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  Speaker 1: they wanted to kill him. In milder cases of child abuse,
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  Speaker 1: the adults feel that the needs of the child, that
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  Speaker 1: the child is bad for having needs. They think the
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  Speaker 1: child's greedy, trying to take things or extort things from
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  Speaker 1: the family. Often they'll put padlocks on the refrigerator because
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  Speaker 1: they are afraid that the child will get up in
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  Speaker 1: the middle of the night and eat food. But in
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  Speaker 1: this case, this family, I think they took it one
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  Speaker 1: step further where they actually took delight in torturing the child.
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  Speaker 1: They were sadists. Nancy Any, Wait a minute, doctor Bethany Marshall.
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  Speaker 1: I know you are a very well known I'm famous
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  Speaker 1: Elie's psychoanalyst, but when you throw around psycho terms like sadist,
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: not everybody lives in your world of massashism. And when
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: you say something like sadist, please explain that. I mean,
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: hold on, I just got to ask Ambramer question Am
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: Bremner with me, high profile Seattle lawyer. Don't you just
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: love it? Or at least I always do. When I'd
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: be trying a case and I get on the elevator
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: and there'd be other lawyers on there, and they'd be
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: spouting off like Latin terms and kind of like showing
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: off their legal knowledge, you know, juries, and regular people
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: like us don't like that, okay, because hey, we don't
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: know Latin and it's kind of a I'm smarter than
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: you thing. Not you, doctor Bethany, would never say that
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: about you. But of course, don't you just love that
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: when the other side is doing it. I would just
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: always smile on the inside, you know, I wouldn't dare smiling, court,
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: false union, falseless and clarity. There you go. I was
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: just saying, don't do that, and you did it. I
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: don't even know what that means. What does that mean?
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: Faults and fat all? Okay? What? Okay? Why did I
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: go to her, Bethany? I lost my head. Explain to
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: me what you mean by their sadist Sadism is when
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: an individual takes pleasure in inflicting pain upon another person.
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: We see this with serial killers. They don't just shoot
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: the victim or or hit them on the back of
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: the head. They face them while they're strangling them so
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: they can see the pain in their eyes. They love
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: inflicting pain. It's arousing, it's satisfying and makes them feel good.
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: So I would imagine, do you connect everything to sex, Bethany,
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: because you know, well I remember starting our HLN show
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: every night when you would be on and Dean my
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: then executive producer, and would have a bed. How long
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: it would take you to connect whatever happened to what
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: a sexual sato massacism. I don't care what it was,
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: there would be a way. And actually, when you'd say
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: it would make perfect Okay, not saying you wrong because
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: I'm just a trial lawyer. Okay, you're the famous shrink,
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: not me. But how can you get joy or as
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: you say, arousal out of baiting a child? And I
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: don't know, all of a sudden it just hit me.
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: I thought of somebody pushing John David or Lucy in
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: a crawl space, a dark crawl space, and making them
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: stay there for years with nothing but a mattress in
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: getting one piece of bread to day. How can you
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: get joy from that? Nancy teasing the little boy exposed it.
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: I gotta take this mic off and go straight and
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: check on the children because it has me so upset.
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: How do you get joy from that? You know it's complicated,
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: but I would say I think of sociopathy, where the sociopath,
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: not even a sociopath, a psychopath. One of the things
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: that delineates the psychopath from the sociopath is the infliction
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: of pain. That they get pleasure out of inflict pain,
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: And the reason for this is that they have very
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: empty inner lives. I know this sounds bizarre the way
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: I'm saying it, but it's true. And there's something about
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: inflicting pain that makes them feel alive better than the other.
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: They're glad they're not in that other person's position. And
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: in this case, this father and this family may have
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: felt almost like a cult leader, like he's, you know,
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: churning out child after child, and he's the king of
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: them all, and they're all frightened, and it makes him
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: feel better. Then it makes him feel good, and you know,
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: Sadism is one of the five perversions here, I'm taking
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: it back to sex again, but it is one of
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: the five person perversions, so it's very linked with deviant sexuality,
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: So I think of it. What are the other perversions?
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: Just curious? Okay, Sadism, it's actually Jackie wants to go
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: ahead bysm looking at an unsuspecting person, exhibitionism exposing oneself
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: in public, frauderism which is rubbing oneself up against an
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: unsuspecting person in public, sadism, and pedophilia, which is having
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: sex with children. Well, you certainly know how to start
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: off a morning or an evening, Doctor Bethany Marshall, hold on,
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: just for a moment. Listen to this, guys, how do
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: you have a child in that condition in your home
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: and not noticing? Well, whenever happened Jordan happened within them
• 25:29
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• 27:00
  Speaker 1: a child in that condition in your home and not
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: notice it? Well, whenever happened to Jordan happened within a
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: small time frame. My life was just so busy with
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: the other kids. I mean I had one one baby,
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: I was still breastfeeding, I was pregnant at the time,
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: and I had five of my own children that I
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: was taking a doctor's appointments. You know, band soccer bride
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: was responsible for taking care of Jordan and everywhere that
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: he went, Jordan went to. But you were this child's stepmother.
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: He was living in your home. Do you not look
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: back and say, how did I miss this? I do
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: all the time. What do you say to yourself about that?
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: I asked myself the same questions, How do you miss
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: something like that? I mean, you can't go back, you
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: can't change it. But you know, you think about everything
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: that you do every day, and you think about all
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: the chaos and everything going on and every but he
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: in and out? Who was responsible for feeding this child? Right?
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: Did you know he wasn't feeding him? I mean, it's
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: obviously malnourished, He's obviously dehydrated. We know now from the
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: medical records that they had to start a refeeding process
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: with him on a tube. He could only process three
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: hundred calories at a time. He was so malnourished. And
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: I didn't understand any of that because I did see
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: him eat, and he was eating. When the police showed up,
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: I gave him food myself. Oh my stars, you are
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: hearing our friend doctor phel who actually goes on a
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: tour of the home. This little boy, just five years old,
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: was starved, forced to wear a diaper, locked in a
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: quote Harry Potter room under the stairs, weighing just twenty
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: nine pounds. Listen, this is the closet. Now. What's interesting
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: about it is if you open it, and I'm probably
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: gonna it's actually off the hinge and you may have
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: to do it all right. Let me see that it's
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: off his hinge and it's been that way for quite
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: a while. It comes open, got it, got it? And
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: then if you go back here, let me help you
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: with it. How long have these clothes they stay here?
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: But back here if you move all of the stuff,
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: which is why it's it's just ridiculous that the sixteen
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: year old says that this is where he stayed. There's
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: baby clothes and baby items, all right, So this is
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: the stairway because it's slanted there. Okay, so this is
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: what maybe four by three. What the sixteen year old
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: was saying is that Jordan actually had to stay in
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: that room back in here, right, And as you can see,
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: not possibly. And these are all the one year old
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: because this is where it's basically her closet. And I
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: think you can see the plastic dwars where all of
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: her stuff is. So for her to get to one
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: year old stuff, she went under a solid row of clothes,
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: cut down on her knees, opened this and got stuff
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: up for a one year and have six kids. You
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: do what you can. I can show you also, I
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: mean this is where some of her kid's shoes are.
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: She keeps her shoes in the living room over there,
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: and her clothes in a closet upstairs. So Tammy's position
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: that this child was never kept in this closet, never
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: kept in the class, never punished by being put in
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: this clouse, never punished, was never in here, never in
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: this coming gold crawl space. It didn't happen. What you
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: hear a woman defending how the boy was kept and
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: saying how big the claws it was. And it wasn't
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: as it was described, Nicole Parton. The cops got there
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: and they found where the boy was living, and it
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: was exactly as we are saying, alone mattress in there.
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: The boy starved within hours of death, foaming at the mouth,
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: forced to wear nothing but a diaper at age five,
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: covered and cuts and bruises. Describe the scene, Nicole Parton,
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: Nicole Parton joining me, reported with crime online dot Com.
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: Go ahead, Nicole, It was exactly as we have been describing.
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: They found this tiny scraw cross space underneath the stairwell.
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: You can imagine the tiny size of this little hole
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: where he was being forced to stay. Nothing in the
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: room except a lone mattress, nails protruding out of the
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: walls and out of the roof because he's living in
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: a stairwell and unfinished room, so there's no sheet rock,
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: there's nothing like that to protect him. Wires hanging down
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: his body, fully emaciated, bruises, sores, It was exactly as
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: we are describing. Unbelievable. Some authorities say it was the
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: worst condition they had ever seen a little boy who
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: was steel alive. Listen, where was this closet in the house,
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: to your understanding, underneath the stairs. This is how they
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: were able to hide him with the CPS and the
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: police came out. They had an extra little room inside
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: of the room in the closet, and it was just
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: a small, little cubbyhole. But if you put stuff in
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: front of it, you can't even tell that there's a
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: door there. The children called it the Harry Potter room
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: because it was hidden. What did he tell you about
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: the closet? I asked him if he had a bed,
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: and that's when he told me he had one upstairs,
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: but not downstairs. And I asked him to have a
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: blanket and he said no. I said, what about a pillow? No.
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: I asked him if he had gone to a doctor
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: or a dentist, and he told me no. I understand that.
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: He said that he was locked up with a padlock
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: under the stairs, given drugs to sleep. When people came
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: over to the house, I was told by some of
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: Brad and Hamley's family friends that they were giving Jordan
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: adhd medication. I was also told that they were giving
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: him antidepressants to keep him groggy. So that when police
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: or anything came over, so they just didn't have to
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: deal with him, but not let him out. Just they
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: told the other children in the house that if they
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: went down there and tried to help him, that they
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: would get hurt too. And Bremner joining me, high profile
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: Seattle lawyer, this type of case is one of her
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: many specialties. And Bremner, what's crazy is when you look
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: at their home, the yard as well kept or shrubs
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: and bushes, the home looks fine. Neighbors had no idea
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: what was going on. And if you look at this stepmother, Blimeyer,
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: Timmy Blimeyer, she looks like a soccer mom that would
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: pull up at some fancy private school and pick up
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: for kids. You would never know she's starving and beating
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: a child to death and letting this this new stepfather
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: do the same thing. Oh absolutely, and with CPS knew.
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: I mean, that's the thing is I think we need
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: in every Their worthless CPS is worthless. I really think
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: they should be criminally charged as well, because they had
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: been to the home and they left the boy that queen.
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: You know, when we see often in many states, including mine,
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: where their emphasis is on reunifying families any costs and
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: not the best interests of the child. And you know,
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: I have the Susan Cox pal case where that exactly
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: that happened. Remember where Josh, you know, it was found
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: with those kids. He was responsible for Susan's disappearance, for
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: her homicide, but judge had found that. And he was
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: living in a home with a news hanging from the
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: ceiling with his dad with all the porn remember Stephen Pallett,
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: all this porn and pictures of Susan, etc. And he
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: was the suspect and his wife's disappearance. Nevertheless, CPS led
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: him visit with those boys and he killed him with
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: the hatchet and blew up the house. You know, and
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: you look at things like that and you think, what
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: you know, reason dictates that is there's danger. You take
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: those kids, you don't let them be with that parent.
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: And so shame on CPS. And like he said, they
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: should be criminally responsible as well. And what really drives
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: me crazy to Francie Haiks Guys Francie Haiks former federal prosecutor,
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: typically on the other side of the fence from Anne Bremner.
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: But Francy Haiggs was appointed as the federal for the
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: entire United States Czar for Child Protection, Francy Higgs. It's
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: amazing to me that nobody on the outside knew what
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: was going on, and how these people could walk by
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: that closet every single day knowing that Jordan was in
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: their starving. You know, Nancy, your prosecutor's instincts are still
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: dead on, because that's exactly what I would have argued
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: to the jury in this case, talking about how many
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: times every single day that those parents walked by that
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: closet and neglected their child. How every single acts, every
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: single minute of that neglect should have been a new
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: charge of abuse. It doesn't surprise me that the neighbors
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: didn't know, because you can keep a child in the closet.
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: How are the neighbors supposed to know? But who is
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: charged with knowing, Nancy, Who is supposed to be protecting
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: that child besides his parents? The government, The government agency
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: in charge of making sure we don't abuse our children,
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: Child Protective Services, de facts and they utterly and absolutely failed.
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: I can't help but agree with you. I don't think
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: they'll be criminally charged, but boy, wouldn't I like to
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: look at the statutes in that stake, This little boy,
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: just five years old, was starved, forced to wear a
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: diaper lock can they quote Harry Potter room under the
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: stairs the boy little Jordan, weighing just twenty nine pounds.
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: Listen to what happened in court jury heavy Tammy Blimeier
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: guilty of injury to a child. Her face buried in
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: her hands as the judge read Tammy Blimeyer's feet and
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: can find in the Institutional Division of the Texas Department
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: Criminal Justice. For twenty eight years, Blimeyer nearly starved to
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: death her then five year old steps on and kept
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: him in a small closet under the stairs. Once the
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: judge read the sentence, Blameyer's children were overcome with mixed
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: emotions inside the courtroom, her eighteen year old son Cody,
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: speaking on behalf of his siblings during the victim impact statement.
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: History here give made a big mistake and ultimately at
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: the big consequences. I'm up here to ask a rhetorical
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: question of how how would you put all that? Her
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: twenty one year old son Dylan, notified authorities of torture
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: also spoke and ever forget all the good things that happened,
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: and the good things that you did for us, I
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: hope that you take care of yourself and fix whatever.
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: Harris County District Attorney's Office is calling this sentence justice.
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: This was a very bittersweet moment. Jordan suffered a very
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: terrible injury at the hands of his biological father and
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: Tammy Blimeyer, and as you heard, Jordan's biological father played
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: a part in his abuse. He fled guilty in twenty
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: sixteen and was sentenced to fifteen years behind bars. Jordan
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: is now staying with his biological mother. When I walked
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: into that room, the child laying in that bed had
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: the same eyes, and the same smile and the same voice,
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: but he did not look like the baby that I
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: had seen two years before that, and it to burn
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: my heart up. What did you say to him when
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: you first saw him? I told him that I missed
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: him so much, and then I promised that I would
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: never never be away from him again. You know, the
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: sister and brother, Cody and Alison, actually testified against the
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: evil mother, Timmy Blimeyer, in a horrific child abuse case,
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: and they described had their five year old old step brother, Jordan,
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: ago days and days and days without food unless they
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: managed to sneak a tiny piece of bread to him
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: and reth the wrath of their mom and stepdad. They
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: say how they wished someone would have acted sooner, they
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: were too afraid to. They had reached out to teachers
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: and friends to tell them about the little brother, but
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: nobody seemed to do anything. The dad, Brad Blamire, would
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: beat and starve and even taser baby Jordan for no
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: reason at all, keeping him a lot in a cold,
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: dark hole within a cupboard under the stairs. It wasn't
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: even big enough for Jordan to stand up in. Slowly,
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: Jordan had everything stripped away from him, food, clothes, even
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: his pillow in blanket. He would be left wearing nothing
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: but a diaper in that tiny crawl space, surrounded by
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: nails and exposed wires. His brothers and sister would say
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: he would quote disappear for days, to the extent they
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: would think he was out of the house, but actually
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: he was locked in his tiny room is jail telle.
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: That's called the Harry Potter cupboard because it's in under
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: a crawl space. I just don't understand it, the brother says.
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: The day I opened the closet and saw him in
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: the worst shape I had ever seen him in. I'm
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: just overwhelmed in a diaper covered in bruises and scrapes,
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: and on the back of his head. Jackie and I
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: are looking at a picture right now. You see a
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: huge bruise on the back of his head that looks
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: like it's been bleeding. She said, the sixteen year old
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: doesn't respect the father, so he's lying about the abuse. Yeah,
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: that's what they told everybody, But about sixteen year old,
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: he's a hero. If he wouldn't have done for my
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: son what he did and allowed himself to be beaten
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: up by Bradley because he was trying to help Jordan,
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: my son, we would probably be having a funeral for
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: him right now. And he picked him up. He picked
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: Jordan up and gave him to his sister Alison, And
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  Speaker 1: it's just amazing to me. I'm looking at a photo
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  Speaker 1: of the little boy they took for trial purposes, and
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: his legs looked like bones with skin on them. You know,
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: the other children are also mistreated to a tiny degree,
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: Doctor Bethany. For instance, the mom would take away the
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: brother and sister's cell phones and not let them communicate
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  Speaker 1: with the outside world. So is there any way, Bethany,
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: that this woman could be rehabilitated, Not that I care,
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: I wanted to Rotten Hill. No, she cannot be rehabilitated, Nancy.
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: This pattern of abuse reminds me of an adult female,
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: a mother who came to my practice who was very
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: preoccupied with talking about her thirteen year old daughter, and
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: she was obsessed with the perimeter of the daughter's room,
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: the idea that the daughter sometimes crossed the threshold to
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  Speaker 1: come out into the hallway, or would look out the
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: screen window because boys would come to the screen window.
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: And there was all these thoughts about the daughter escaping.
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: And I eventually realized about two sessions in that the
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: mother had actually jailed the daughter in her bedroom. With
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: all this obsessional content about the daughter escaping or getting away. Well,
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: needless to say, I had to call a CPSS, and
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: it was a big deal. But I think this idea
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: that you're going to escape, you're my property. I own you.
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: If you get out into the world, something bad is
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: going to happen. These types of thoughts predominate for abuse
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  Speaker 1: of parents, so I am not surprised that they took
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: away the other children's cell phones, and probably Nancy, I mean,
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: Cody and Alison were probably so brainwashed by their parents.
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: The fact that they actually told teachers and helped to
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: save their little brother is it's just so admirable to me,
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: because many siblings don't. They're just simply too afraid. Listen
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: to this. This is from the brother. When he picked
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: up Jordan, quote, it was like I wasn't holding anything.
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: He was so light. It wasn't like holding a kid
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: at all. He was so white, and his cheeks were sunken,
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: and he smelled terrible. I hadn't seen him in offer
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: a week before this, and he was scared and he
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: didn't know what was happening, and I told him everything
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: would be okay. He describes that the stepdad was aggressive
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: with baby Jordan, and it was quote like he was
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: trying to make Jordan's suffer. And I thought it was weird,
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: but it started getting worse. He would hit him around
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: the back of the head, take off his belt and
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: hit him with the belt, throw him around, throw him
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: on the ground. With the food. It started being taking
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: one dinner away from him. Then it turned into dinner
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: and lunch, then it turned into nothing at all May
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: they both. Can I just say it one more time,
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: rot in Hell. They now recovering. I don't know if
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: he will ever recover emotionally and mentally, but this is
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: going on in homes all around the country. God help us.
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: Nancy Gray's Crime Story, signing off, Goodbye, Fred,