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Random Heathen Ramblings: S2, EP39 - Magic(k), Philosophy, & Existence w/ Wyatt Coverdale (feat. Dingo) · Random Heathen Ramblings

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  Hail, and welcome everyone. To another random even ramblings
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  podcast. Episode, a midgard musings
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  products. Shown my name is Jesse Halen,
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  welcome back, let's get into it. Hope you're all doing fine.
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  And well, as we start to prepare for the end of 2021, And welcome
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  We got one episode left before we finish up season 2 of the
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  Back in time. I'm moving forward.
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  So stay tuned for that. Coming up in 2022.
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  But without further Ado, I think I've rambled on enough about my
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  The podcast is going to be doing the YouTube channel and how
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  And listening experience coming into the new year and into the
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  new season season 3. So let's go ahead and welcome in
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  my guest. As name is Wyatt, Coverdale he
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  has a YouTube channel as well, he has actually been featured on
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  a number of midgard musings YouTube live streams.
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  He's He's engaging in the comment section, especially
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  during live streams. And he's been on again, a couple
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  of live streams where he's like talking and stuff like that.
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  He's got some really interesting perspectives and perceptions on
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  things and so let's see what we get into today.
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  He does have some Heathen views, I say Heathen views, but he's
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  very young, and he's very, he's learning a lot, he's absorbing a
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  lot and his and his alternative approach or his alternative
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  perception to just the world around.
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  Around him is pretty interesting and intriguing and I know not
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  just me, but some other folks that going to hopefully have on
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  the podcast with him tonight. We'll see is is it's always a
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  real fun time, hearing his thoughts, talking about stuff.
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  So let's see what we can get into today with Wyatt Coverdale
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  here on the random Heathen ramblings podcast.
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  It's welcome them in All right, folks.
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  Well, here we are back at the Second to last, I guess this
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  will be now episode of random Heathen ramblings of season 2.
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  And as I mentioned in the intro, I've got with me joined today,
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  white, Coverdale, and also you've seen him here before many
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  times. We've got dingo here on the
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  podcast as well, so hello and welcome to the show Wyatt in
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  dingo Hello everybody. I'm like ever do.
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  Yeah. Yeah.
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  You are running things like this.
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  Well, you'll learn to expect the unexpected around these parts.
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  My man cuz I was I was I was telling everybody like in the
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  intro just a little bit about you with what information I had
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  at the time and The I feel like it would be a really neat thing
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  to just go a little bit into like just who you are.
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  You don't have to go into too many great details, but I was
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  telling everybody. Like, you know, why it here is
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  the youngest guest first of all the youngest guest that I've had
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  on this podcast but you you're no stranger to midgard musings
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  and you're no stranger to. You know, what I do here and
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  you've been a very active participant over the last like,
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  year year or two. You can't be active in a
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  philosopher at the same time. Those two don't go inside.
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  I see, he's getting just jumped into the deep end.
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  He's just like, oh yeah, by the way, no life jacket, no, no, no,
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  no life preserver, no, nothing with his just jump into the deep
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  end. Okay, so it's going to be one of
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  these deals. Oh yeah, by the way, wait, I
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  thought there was a girl, right? Sorry that I kept the As you
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  put, it vamping out in the live stream.
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  I do that sometimes because I want you guys to figure it out,
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  yourselves. Sometimes I just leave
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  intentionally and it's a nice try.
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  Giving him a tea riyals and much chaos ensue.
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  I love it. I love it.
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  Especially when it's such a, an impromptu sort of thing, like
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  those live streams where you were just like, hey, I'm here
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  and you go off onto thing up to the thing that we were talking
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  about. And, and then you like shoot, I
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  gotta go by and then we're all just sitting there kind of like
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  with our fingers up our noses. Like what what the heck was
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  that? They didn't go was there?
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  I think for one of them I think Alex from Red Rabbit Hole was on
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  that whole, it was like a real impromptu thing like oh let's
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  just bring a bunch of people in like and then next thing you
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  know we were all like left with this just you know, big thing to
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  digest and then but that's why it guys, he's got a YouTube
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  channel is information is going to be annotated in the show
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  notes of the of the podcast. Well, as in the description of
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  the video. So however you're absorbing this
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  podcast, check the respective areas for his channel to see
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  just what he talks about which is what what do you what do you,
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  what do you use your platform for?
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  How do you, what do you what you do?
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  Philosophy called Magic, a couple forms of art like poetry.
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  I think I have one song on there.
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  I probably won't be going to say your music.
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  Yeah yeah but I probably won't be doing any of that anymore
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  because Was fighting my parents. Think I'm going to get copyright
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  for the thing that I used. So several forms of art science
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  magic philosophy literature since I do poetry a lot.
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  The book writing those kind of thing.
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  Yeah. And, you know, I used to be a
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  record label owner and musician for a little while and If you
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  want to talk about copyright laws and you know I can have a
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  conversation with your parents on how those things work because
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  I've been there. Yeah, he's navigating those
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  Waters I'd say very I don't think it'd be a really good idea
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  to introduce you guys to my parents.
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  Any further, we don't bite. Yeah, yeah, I get it, man.
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  I get it. You're in a urine, a unique, you
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  know, we're all in a unique position with this and I just
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  want to say, I think it's really cool that that we were able to
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  coordinate this you know because of that whole dynamic, you know
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  what I'm saying? So it's really cool that we got
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  this opportunity to just sit together and as friends and just
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  ramble on about random things. And one of the cool things that
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  I thought I would want, I wanted to mention was one of the first
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  like, Moments that midgard musings.
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  Got a video posted about them. At least that I'm aware of
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  their. There could be stuff out here in
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  the internet that I'm not aware of.
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  But like, one of the First videos that somebody else posted
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  that, like, made a conscious effort to kind of, like, call
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  out my Channel or shout out my Channel or whatever was yours
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  Wyatt. You did this thing and it was
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  like it was a live stream. I think that I had been doing
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  and I gave you a shout-out or I said hi and that.
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  Like for you at that time you were like Oh my gosh, you know,
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  like he did. And he says, this is so cool.
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  And I was like, man, that, that that's kind of where I think
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  this whole relationship as it were started very good.
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  Yeah. I mean, I'm not very as Fanboys
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  as it was before but at the time I felt inspired from that
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  because I mean, you were my teacher, basically, ever since
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  your channel started or around that.
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  I've known you for quite a while but you don't know me the yeah
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  like in that that's like where it all started.
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  You say, you know, Fanboy or whatever?
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  I mean like we're like you see here, real people, real people,
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  nothing fake just authentic and real.
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  And that's with anybody that I deal with.
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  You know, I mean it's I just I'm just a guy with a YouTube
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  channel too and I'm just a heathen with the YouTube channel
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  and I just use that platform to talk about heathen related
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  things, and you've been engaged with it.
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  I think you've Also got some items that made it made, it made
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  it your way that were either crafted by people.
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  I know, or by myself with that, they kind of tie into the whole
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  Heathen, the Norse Heathen, or Germanic Pagan side of things.
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  But you have a very broader approach to existence, I guess
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  to life or whatever. I don't want to put words into
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  your mouth, but it doesn't, it's not tied to one specific thing.
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  So and the words. DH Thorne.
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  Who is another pal of mine on YouTube?
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  Even if I were to forget, everything that I had ever
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  learned about magic, so long as I could keep the knowledge and
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  philosophy that I had learned, I'd be totally fine with it.
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  Because that's the most important part to me, it's an
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  understanding of the universe rather than the manipulation of
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  mm-hmm. Well, manipulates not like
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  Tango. That reminds me of someone not a
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  whole lot of people know this about me, but I was a trained.
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  Martial artist when I was younger and There was a guy that
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  was in the same Dojo as me. I never practiced with him, but
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  he became paralyzed and he said that, he felt like he could
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  practice martial arts, not being able to move.
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  And that always stuck with me. Cuz that's the core of it.
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  Yeah, I remember I questionably argue.
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  I don't really want to use that word because I'm not trying to
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  argue but The purpose of that is the purpose of magic, so I
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  wouldn't associate it with that word.
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  Is it? The purpose or is it how it
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  works? Magic is not the manipulation
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  magic is the understanding? Yes.
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  Okay. Here's where the big brain
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  starts to leak in and you can argue about semantics all day
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  but that's how I view magic because that is The Soul
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  Purpose. Okay, well, I'm going to get
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  into that in a minute, but before I forget, I remember Alex
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  said something on the livestream.
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  He said, remember, when I mentioned as a software dreamer
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  from love crafting more? Yeah.
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  Don't be said, is that the Lesser key of Solomon?
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  No, you're thinking of astoroth and as right?
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  Yeah, I corrected him on that in a text message.
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  As I recall later that night, You can say anything about me.
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  Did you come on? And we talked all kinds of crap
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  about you. What do you mean?
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  No, we don't know all of the stuff that we have to say young
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  man you have had many things said about you and none of them
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  are bad or you know what, it's not even that it's good or bad
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  it's just like Well, it is good. I mean, I'll say that much, but
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  anything, that's like, I don't want to be like talking bad
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  about people. If there's something that's
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  worth, talking to someone about that's constructive and could
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  help them, then you talk to them about it, you don't, you don't
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  talk about them, you talk to them and talk with them about
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  it, right? Hey, you know, think about this,
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  but dude, I'm just going to say, like, the your, your insights,
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  your thoughts, your conversations.
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  Even if it's just in a chat group or, you know, during a
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  live stream or a comment on a video, it's it.
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  It's invoking, its thought inspiring, and it has put me in
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  positions to think about things and I hope it does the same way
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  for others, you know. And that's just coming from the
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  heart, from one of our bags that for the question of perception.
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  You know, like your perception is different.
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  Your perception of yourself is different than my perception of
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  you. What is every way around, you
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  know? That means a lot coming from
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  you, two. I mean as well, Bingo slightly
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  new but you too. Now you two are my biggest
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  Inspirations so far. I think the more you hang around
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  us man in this atmosphere in this setting, right?
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  And I when I say hang around, I mean we're distance separates us
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  mileage separates us, but the connection that we're able to
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  have through the the, the conveniences of modern.
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  Technology. Allow us to touch a little bit
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  on the Essences of oneself. Right?
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  Because we talked and what is talking?
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  Talking is weaving words, when we when we speak when we when we
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  talk, when we write we are we are spelling.
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  We are we are writing out words. We are saying words, we are
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  speaking words. We are spelling, we are casting
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  spells you seriously, we are reading from a script.
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  There is no script in front of me.
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  I can 100% feel like I just got the Soros.
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  Well I mean I like We're all peers here, you know?
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  And that's the gnarly thing. Dude, we meet at a round table,
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  a virtual Round Table. Yeah.
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  You know, in the Years between our lives, right, whether it's a
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  generational Gap or anything like that means little to
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  nothing right now because we are meeting out of Common Ground.
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  We were talking about things that we can at least on the to
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  some degree each relate to. You know, and that's like where
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  it started with you being really kind of like blown away that I
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  said your name on a live stream or whatever and I'm like wow
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  this kids you know interested in what I do and it didn't stop
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  there. It was like a seed that got
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  planted you know and there was nurturing and there was tending
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  to I guess you could say in a way very Loosely to keep the
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  thing growing and it's grown. To what it is now and I hope to
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  see more growth come from it. And I think that there's a lot
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  of opportunity there, there's no reason for me to think that it
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  shouldn't or couldn't continue to grow, you know.
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  Yeah, man, me too. I'm not sure what I do eat that
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  video. I think I deleted it
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  accidentally because I was going through, you know, one of my
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  channel Cycles improve. Yeah, I might have accidentally
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  deleted that. Well, if it's there, it's there,
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  if it's not You know, we know we all know, we know it.
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  We know what happened, right? Our little secret.
• 25:09
  Yeah, but I like the I like the thing about the the manipulation
• 25:16
  versus the understanding. You know, let's talk about that.
• 25:21
  Let's get into that a little bit.
• 25:23
  I think Wyatt. You had some things you wanted
• 25:24
  to jump into with that, you know, talking about big brain
• 25:27
  stuff. I assume that would be the The
• 25:32
  video was the functions of magic and things like that which you
• 25:36
  did one recently on right? Yeah.
• 25:40
  Yeah I haven't made anything on the functions of magic itself
• 25:45
  yet. I think that had to do something
• 25:46
  with time. Whatever you saw.
• 25:48
  Okay you touched on it? Yeah it was like a footnote in
• 25:52
  the larger Spectrum I think but well I'm not going to explain
• 25:58
  the entirety of quantum physics and a single 11 minute video.
• 26:03
  You think that? That's right.
• 26:05
  That's a reservation. You could, man.
• 26:10
  I'll be like, you know what? He's the host of the podcast now
• 26:12
  guys, right? Yeah, but me, I got nothing on
• 26:15
  this guy. He's it, you know, but I feel
• 26:19
  honored. So, first two arms, the question
• 26:23
  of how magic Works does it exist?
• 26:26
  How does it function doesn't have meaning and Cetera?
• 26:30
  First, I have to ask, how do you to believe magic work?
• 26:34
  I need to see your perspective spirit.
• 26:38
  Then go. You want to start that one off?
• 26:41
  Fine it. Define the word that of magic
• 26:48
  that you define what you associate that with.
• 26:53
  Because when it comes to that, it's that meet that word means a
• 26:58
  very different thing to have many people.
• 27:03
  Well, I mean, you either understand the blanket term.
• 27:06
  Don't you like magic with a K? If you want to say, That sounds
• 27:13
  more Wiccan. The spiritual magic, the idea of
• 27:21
  manipulating and or understanding the universe
• 27:24
  through somehow connecting with it.
• 27:25
  It's bowed, but it's a two-sided.
• 27:28
  Okay, it's both but it's a two-sided coin, it's really a
• 27:32
  three-sided thing because you have you have the the pure
• 27:36
  knowledge in the middle that just Irrelevant in a way.
• 27:42
  But not, and also. There's no bias, right?
• 27:49
  And then you have the practice of it which is a very physical
• 27:54
  thing and then you have the result of it which is a very
• 27:58
  mental thing while referring to all that as a blanket term just
• 28:03
  you know the general right well but that becomes a very
• 28:06
  complicated question on what is Magic because magic is science.
• 28:15
  Okay, well, I got definition magic is you know, all forms of
• 28:23
  science. Basically, it's a, you know,
• 28:26
  you've got your Chemistry, you've got your biology, you
• 28:30
  have your psychology. You have your sociology, you
• 28:36
  have your anthropology with the cultural changes that come from
• 28:43
  that on large, groups of people and, and how cultural identity
• 28:49
  becomes a thing. A magic is is a very broad
• 28:54
  spectrum term for science. Okay, well, if you want me to
• 29:00
  give you the simple answer, that's what I would say.
• 29:05
  How can magic be a type of science so the outcome of its is
• 29:12
  completely unpredictable. So let me since since then go
• 29:16
  gave his answer and I know the question was positioned or posed
• 29:19
  to the both of us. You mind if I because I feel
• 29:22
  like the follow-up to what dingo said leads to another question,
• 29:25
  which why you already started into you mind, if I give my
• 29:29
  answer as well and then kind of go from there.
• 29:33
  I was asking about you. So yeah right.
• 29:35
  So Magic to me. Can can incorporate a lot of
• 29:39
  different things to the extent that if I go into the kitchen
• 29:43
  and I collect herbs and I collect ingredients and I boil
• 29:49
  water. And I combine ingredients
• 29:53
  together to make a delicious meal.
• 29:56
  That's magic. If I combining other ingredients
• 30:00
  oils and and, and, and, and herbs and things like that.
• 30:04
  And I Date a a wonderful smelling soap or or bone of
• 30:11
  sorts. That's, that's magic in itself.
• 30:14
  If I write poetry that, that touches someone through reading
• 30:18
  or, through speaking that they are emotionally Jarred.
• 30:23
  They're, they're, they're inspired, they think, of certain
• 30:26
  things in a different way. Or they're inspired to think of
• 30:28
  things in a certain way that's magic in and of itself as well.
• 30:30
  There's there's parts of magic in all those things which
• 30:33
  touches a bit on what And go was asking you about in terms of
• 30:37
  like the the understand like what do you think?
• 30:39
  Magic is like there's magic in all of it.
• 30:41
  We don't know what the outcome is going to be in the kitchen.
• 30:44
  I don't know that if I combine rosemary, thyme, butter, garlic,
• 30:48
  and and onions that I'm going to make anything good.
• 30:51
  The idea, the idea intent is to make something good for the
• 30:55
  purpose being that I want to you know provide a delicious tasting
• 30:59
  meal for my guests, right? I could burn the garlic, I could
• 31:02
  burn the the sage or the Rosemary, whatever it is.
• 31:05
  I'm cooking. So there's there's there's that
• 31:08
  aspect to it. It's very literal to me, right?
• 31:11
  That it's not always mystical, it's not always a satirical
• 31:15
  either it's literal. It's so much about the physical
• 31:21
  the or the profane maybe even as is another way to say
• 31:25
  incorporates Elements of magic. Well, that's the only way we can
• 31:30
  experience it is through the profane through those senses
• 31:34
  through those tangible sons and placing, right?
• 31:37
  Yeah. So there's my answer.
• 31:41
  What was your father that? Well, to answer the question at
• 31:47
  hand, which is, is Magic a science or art and also how does
• 31:53
  it work still on to that Vision? To ask the question.
• 31:57
  Of whether or not magic actually causes anything.
• 32:00
  Is it a cause? Is it a causational thing?
• 32:04
  Well to that I'd have to answer. Have you ever heard of the block
• 32:08
  time theory? The what the block time theory.
• 32:15
  Lock time theory. Yeah, it relates to time, I
• 32:22
  mean, you know, elaborate regardless for the listeners,
• 32:26
  all right. The block time theory is
• 32:29
  essentially an idea that Universe can is contained in the
• 32:33
  box, which is the only product, which I don't necessarily
• 32:36
  believe them but it's the idea that everything is overlapping
• 32:40
  everything at the same time. Like there is no past present or
• 32:43
  future, it's all happening simultaneously and that's the
• 32:46
  same with everything physical and you know, just dimensional,
• 32:52
  right? So How can cause and effect
• 32:57
  exist? If it's just a single snap and
• 32:59
  then loss And I catch me. I mean that depends on if you
• 33:08
  follow that way of thought process.
• 33:12
  Oh yeah, that's another thing is it's just continuing overlapping
• 33:16
  each other intimately. If something doesn't have a
• 33:19
  start nor and then how can it be, causational or affect you?
• 33:27
  because when you put fire to water, it boils Yes, and water
• 33:34
  isn't necessarily the thing. We're talking about so think of
• 33:37
  it like it is it all goes down to that because that is Magic as
• 33:42
  well chemistry. The early forms of magic.
• 33:47
  If you study the early forms of what was referred to as magic,
• 33:52
  it was a lot of herbalism, it was a lot of shamanism culinary
• 33:58
  practices. The rituals were very basic and
• 34:08
  a required element leading to wiping.
• 34:11
  You know, like that, then that's where you're talking about.
• 34:14
  If you want to go into like the technical terms of magic of like
• 34:17
  green magic or black magic, or white magic or whatever, you
• 34:20
  know, like Chemistry and chemistry comes from Alchemy.
• 34:29
  Right. And you know, let's not forget
• 34:31
  it like at one point in time the whole definition that that magic
• 34:35
  at least at one point in time in our human history, right?
• 34:39
  If a woman could read and write, she was a witch and she was
• 34:44
  practicing magic and she was, you know what I mean?
• 34:46
  Magic is a modern term Much because magic just used to be
• 34:57
  like existing. Well okay think of it like this
• 35:07
  science is a measurement tool. In the best way.
• 35:12
  It can be described, an art form, is the process of creating
• 35:18
  something for the process of understanding something through
• 35:20
  creation. Don't you think that art would
• 35:23
  relate more to magic and science?
• 35:25
  Assuming it's completely unpredictable and most of the
• 35:28
  time you're the one that's coming up is the method and
• 35:30
  ideas of it? Not necessarily.
• 35:33
  I mean you have to look at for example.
• 35:37
  Math metal where bands go into a studio with a formula and then
• 35:47
  they write the song after that formula.
• 35:52
  Yes. Well, I'm a writer or from a
• 35:54
  chemistry perspective. Cooking is one that I love to go
• 35:58
  to, you know, like because water is going to boil at that point.
• 36:06
  Well, I mean, but you don't necessarily know the exact
• 36:10
  molecular structure of the pasta that you're about to toss in
• 36:14
  that water. Therefore, it becomes an art
• 36:18
  form, right? And you have to go by field
• 36:22
  rather than science because you don't have scientific research
• 36:29
  into that pasta, you just rolled out yourself.
• 36:33
  Well, I mean some people usually apply What type of formula to
• 36:39
  the ritual sport? For example, I think the most
• 36:41
  common method is to, you know, draw the circle called the
• 36:45
  quarters, Etc, the looking method.
• 36:48
  But a crucial part of understanding that is that those
• 36:53
  methods don't necessarily they aren't the thing that matters.
• 36:56
  The point is that you're into that state of mind.
• 37:01
  That does make it can exist and they can't help but they aren't
• 37:05
  actually necessarily that important to it.
• 37:08
  They can be done in any other way.
• 37:10
  I would agree. Yeah.
• 37:12
  I haven't I haven't done that and use that method in over a
• 37:16
  decade and that is what makes magic and art because it isn't,
• 37:24
  it wasn't preformed, right? Are we talking like Less than
• 37:27
  the calculated approach. It's I don't know if I'm jumping
• 37:32
  ahead of it but I don't know. You're you're on point.
• 37:36
  It's pure chaos. Like you just give them
• 37:38
  materials and you throw things together until something works.
• 37:41
  I mean, the thing is enough. Yes, I know, right, you know,
• 37:47
  you can go into it with the structure with the order with
• 37:49
  the die like the the stop point. A start Point, Middle Point and
• 37:55
  end point you Can go into it and that sort of mindset.
• 37:57
  But there's other aspects of it that take over that are outside
• 38:02
  of your profane, understanding of space and time that you exist
• 38:06
  in and around and depending on the approach that you take into
• 38:12
  magical practices and we may be getting into more of like the
• 38:17
  not the profane, not the mundane type stuff.
• 38:19
  The more like psychedelic, maybe even or more of the Real, woo,
• 38:27
  woo type stuff where you're outside of your own existence,
• 38:31
  you're outside of your own perception of existence and you
• 38:33
  are experiencing things around you that are true and real as it
• 38:38
  is for the, the Unseen, the things that we can't tangibly
• 38:43
  feel in our day-to-day lives because we're just not connected
• 38:47
  to that aspect of existence anymore on a day-to-day basis.
• 38:53
  An interesting example for this A good friend of mine.
• 38:57
  Daniel, I've known him since I was five.
• 39:00
  So I've known him for over 30 years by this point and damn you
• 39:05
  old. I know, yes.
• 39:12
  Look Who's Talking. A man has died word building a
• 39:24
  shed, right? And my buddy Daniel is like he
• 39:30
  studied calculus and trig and all that, he's a computer
• 39:33
  programmer. He took high level math courses
• 39:36
  and all of this made his own programs and his TI-83, you
• 39:40
  know, like and before he could imput the functions. of the
• 39:50
  measurements needed to build said structure, his dad had the
• 39:55
  exact calculation And he was like, well, you know, hang on,
• 40:02
  just like, let me. Oh damn, you're right?
• 40:06
  Wow, okay, sorry, old man, art can be as accurate.
• 40:17
  That freeform can be just as accurate.
• 40:20
  It's just a different language. It's very similar to me and
• 40:25
  music would be. Another example, I could use
• 40:28
  that I can't read sheet music worth a crap.
• 40:31
  I can't sight-read I can but I'm like, I'm like a five-year-old.
• 40:36
  Like I'm like f c. Like I'm really slow at it.
• 40:43
  But if I hear it, I got it. Yeah that's an interesting skill
• 40:49
  to have. I want to talk about.
• 40:51
  What what's the? That's that's where magic is the
• 40:58
  bridge between science and art between the abstract and the
• 41:05
  concrete. Jessie, you're going to say
• 41:09
  something I just since we were talking about music before,
• 41:14
  before we started the podcast, I can go and I were absorbing
• 41:19
  something recently. And I mentioned this in the
• 41:21
  intro about midgard musings, having a theme and having music
• 41:24
  written for midgard musings and dingoes privy to it and knows
• 41:28
  about it to its raw form. And that right there, man has
• 41:36
  been a project. Started off as one thing and
• 41:40
  then I was asked about feedback and there was hey can you do
• 41:44
  this? Can you do that?
• 41:45
  And then the person working on it comes back.
• 41:47
  And says, here's what I've got. And here's also some things that
• 41:50
  I added that you perhaps didn't mention I'm using very like
• 41:54
  basic terms. It was it seems methodical but
• 41:58
  the organic approach to it was very I don't know man.
• 42:04
  It was almost like Vines growing up a tree.
• 42:06
  It's like oh we're going this way.
• 42:09
  And then we're going to go this way because this is just the way
• 42:11
  things are going to go and then and then there's an element that
• 42:14
  adds to that life point of the growth and then we're going to
• 42:19
  go this way with it. And we're going to go down maybe
• 42:21
  and we're going to go out and we're going to go up and we're
• 42:23
  going to go in and we're going to go sideways and, you know,
• 42:27
  it's raining sideways and put it in all of it though, because it
• 42:31
  still follows a pattern, it is that there's a pattern to it but
• 42:34
  there's even off she sequences the only thing that I can think
• 42:37
  of it's Phoebe. She sequence where it?
• 42:39
  Yeah, it just builds upon itself, right?
• 42:42
  In a cyclical Manner and it's the most perfect, organic way,
• 42:47
  it's not chaotic in the sense that there's no semblance of
• 42:50
  order. It's just there's there's a
• 42:54
  difference I believe with chaotic the existence appears to
• 42:58
  be but it's not right. There's there's an organic order
• 43:01
  to it with that we that we in our profane understanding of
• 43:06
  space and time can apply. It's like You can't force
• 43:09
  something to do something. It's going to do, it's going to
• 43:11
  do, but you can kind of train it, or nurture it to be, what
• 43:14
  it's going to be in its way. And that's the way, the music's
• 43:17
  the way this song, the way this musical piece has grown Check
• 43:24
  that music out. What are you talking about?
• 43:26
  Oh yeah, you're going to hear it, you're going to hear you
• 43:28
  say, You're going to hear it. Everybody's gonna hear it.
• 43:32
  Every was going to hear, it's going to see and it's cool that
• 43:33
  the conversation segue to that part of things, because it seems
• 43:38
  to fit this more of the conversation, whose GI thing for
• 43:42
  magic and that it, it grows, you know, like there's there's songs
• 43:49
  that I've written that have taken years. to finish because
• 43:53
  it had to have those specific layers and there doesn't seem to
• 44:01
  be a method to the madness but there is.
• 44:05
  Yeah. Okay, we're talking about
• 44:12
  formulas, right? The theme of the podcast, where
• 44:16
  the hell were we? That is the theme of the
• 44:20
  podcast. Where the hell is that?
• 44:30
  Need that one same exact formula to work even for other people,
• 44:35
  like you can create your entirely own approach to it.
• 44:38
  It isn't just two substances together, create a reaction, you
• 44:41
  can do that with literally everything and that's what makes
• 44:43
  it more of an art form because you can piece it together on
• 44:46
  yourself. It isn't a thing that requires a
• 44:49
  process in order to get there. Yeah.
• 44:54
  I mean in a sense but think of it like if you're talking about
• 44:59
  like having one thing for everybody or whatever like what
• 45:03
  if you're allergic to said medication that's not going to
• 45:08
  work for that person. And so it has to evolve and to
• 45:11
  you have to change your Yeah. Flow of energy.
• 45:16
  So to speak, you know. Yeah.
• 45:19
  But the thing about that medication is it to somebody
• 45:23
  else. It doesn't even have to resemble
• 45:25
  the, the chemical compound in the original one.
• 45:31
  It can literally just be, it can be an entirely different
• 45:34
  substance if they wanted it to be.
• 45:36
  Yeah, but there's a science behind that that dictates how
• 45:41
  that reaction occurs but everybody's brain chemistry and
• 45:46
  body chemistry is different. So you have to adapt.
• 45:50
  It's a dingo you know it's an ever-flowing process science is
• 45:54
  an ever-flowing process, right? Like science. 50 years ago
• 45:59
  doesn't even come close to resembling science today
• 46:03
  especially if you're talking about.
• 46:04
  For example. Psychological care.
• 46:08
  Yes. Science. 50 years ago.
• 46:10
  Even psychology science could be viewed as barbaric by today's
• 46:18
  standards. It has to evolve because things
• 46:22
  change. Well yes but not so science
• 46:25
  Isn't So concrete. Well, yes, but nothing in Magic
• 46:30
  is actually really evolving. It's just changing.
• 46:33
  Its just because involving that it right?
• 46:36
  It is the changes that that's Evolution man.
• 46:40
  That's change is inevitable, it's evolution is change.
• 46:47
  It's the thing that was is not. What is evolving other than
• 46:55
  picking up a different set of material to work with?
• 46:58
  It's adapting to the circumstances around you it's so
• 47:03
  much picking up different materials, it's adapting to
• 47:05
  circumstances. Well that wouldn't be advancing
• 47:09
  as a thing that would just be adapting to a new form.
• 47:14
  It may not be in advance but it's a doubt.
• 47:16
  Everything is is advancing. I mean, we had a tornado here, a
• 47:20
  couple of nights ago in Tennessee, and when I was a kid,
• 47:24
  that was unheard of we had snow on the ground.
• 47:27
  And and the 80s, you know like here in December and we have
• 47:31
  tornadoes now like nature is changing.
• 47:35
  Nature is evolving. Nature is adapting and we have
• 47:39
  to roll with those changes or we will not survive.
• 47:46
  And I wonder too if a lot of the shit that we've experienced use
• 47:49
  the language that we've come to experience an Arts day and time
• 47:54
  with weather and nature, and things like that.
• 47:57
  Have a large, the result of which is largely due to us as a
• 48:03
  species us as humankind, people, are at large trash, and people
• 48:11
  do not respect and, and And and live symbiotically with the
• 48:17
  world that they are privileged to be a part of.
• 48:20
  They just don't at large, you know, you can.
• 48:24
  And I watch Midsummer Friday night, don't piss on the
• 48:26
  ancestral tree, right? Things will happen, right?
• 48:32
  Well, I disagree with that, exact, I disagree with that
• 48:35
  exact example, but I get what you want.
• 48:41
  Don't piss on the ancestral tree.
• 48:45
  I'm not really big enough ancestors.
• 48:48
  Well let's talk about it. Yeah, let's go there.
• 48:53
  Let's go there. What's up?
• 48:54
  No, no hate, no judgment. Let's just talk about it because
• 48:58
  we could learn some things. Maybe you, maybe you can teach
• 49:00
  us some things we can all learn from each other, why?
• 49:03
  Not? Okay, this this completely off
• 49:12
  shot from where I thought this would go, but that's fine and
• 49:23
  sisters. So I don't really value
• 49:31
  ancestors very much and the reason for that is it's because
• 49:36
  I believe that their continuation of the ancestral
• 49:39
  tree is sort of a selfish act and every way of the word
• 49:45
  because I mean, think of, I mean, you're putting this being
• 49:51
  into another into a world where it exists and it can feel and it
• 49:56
  can think and it's what's the word I'm looking for?
• 50:04
  It's vulnerable to suffering. There we go.
• 50:07
  It's vulnerable to all these horrible things that can
• 50:10
  possibly happen to it. And the worst part is that most
• 50:13
  of it is horrible, especially in the ancient times with the
• 50:17
  ancestors that we're talking about because you know there's a
• 50:20
  lot of famine they were sort of unbalanced.
• 50:23
  Really and you put this being in this world to suffer for about
• 50:30
  70 years and then to do the same to their children.
• 50:33
  Also, you can have a purpose and also, you can consent to
• 50:36
  continue the line of suffering. Doesn't that seem selfish to
• 50:39
  you. That's why I'm probably never
• 50:43
  going to have children. Well, that's a fact.
• 50:47
  What that says to me is kill all humans.
• 50:51
  I mean, right? Human-like again, so so, and
• 50:56
  that's fine. So Wyatt and ending go in me,
• 51:02
  right? We would not be here talking
• 51:04
  about these things. Educating ourselves learning
• 51:06
  about our respective respective, existences and and looking to
• 51:12
  benefit our own individual existence has, and then sharing
• 51:15
  our thoughts with the world, because that's what we're doing.
• 51:18
  We would not be able to do this, if it Not for our ancestors, I'm
• 51:22
  talking about our parents and our grandparents and those who
• 51:26
  did the thing that got us here. We had no choice or say in that,
• 51:30
  but here we are. Well, what was the motive?
• 51:34
  What was that? What was the, what was the
• 51:36
  purpose behind that? What was the motive behind that?
• 51:39
  There's love? There's a purpose behind it.
• 51:43
  Whether it was to create on. Yeah.
• 51:46
  Whether it was to create and preserve a family line or
• 51:50
  whether it was too. To have that that family unit.
• 51:54
  I mean there's it's not all bad granted a lot of it does suck
• 51:57
  like you know we're here now and we're dealing with a lot of crap
• 52:01
  as human beings like the world. Just it is.
• 52:04
  It's a pretty crappy situation. Let's be honest.
• 52:07
  Like it is, but there's also positive things to be taken from
• 52:11
  it. So to not take stock, or to not
• 52:15
  give stock into our ancestors. I feel is a bit of a disservice
• 52:18
  to them because, hey, you know what?
• 52:21
  Did and how they did it. It was it was survival, it was a
• 52:24
  preservation of family lines and it was probably a lot of other
• 52:29
  things that that may not just touch on the surface level of
• 52:33
  like I want to just, you know, get busy with somebody and have
• 52:37
  a good time and Hoops. There's a kid, I mean there,
• 52:41
  there it is that, I mean, that stuff like that happens.
• 52:43
  And we're getting into some pretty heavy duty, things on
• 52:46
  that line of thought or that track, we had to South brother
• 52:50
  did that happen. A lot around here.
• 52:52
  I mean you know what else is there to do?
• 52:54
  They don't have they don't have kids and letters another things
• 53:00
  we aren't only just thrown in and induced to basically an
• 53:05
  entire lifetime of suffering and then encouraging our children to
• 53:08
  do the same but also were thrown in with zero context.
• 53:13
  The universe doesn't care about what we know that just wants us
• 53:15
  to survive and that's something that I don't really value a lot.
• 53:20
  But that's where Is that Larry that way?
• 53:22
  Do you know, right animals plants and everything?
• 53:26
  Is thrown animals. Everything lives.
• 53:27
  That way. Yep.
• 53:29
  We're just part of that cycle women.
• 53:31
  We're we're we're Pawns in the game and we're we're we're small
• 53:36
  players in the larger scheme of things, you know.
• 53:39
  So what do we do coming from? Someone who's three-year-old
• 53:43
  daughter at the time? Three years old.
• 53:46
  Looked at him with big tears in her eyes and said, Daddy lies
• 53:50
  hard sometimes and I don't think I'm strong enough to deal with
• 53:53
  it. She's 3, no way.
• 53:59
  She gets it already and yeah it's sad man.
• 54:02
  But like that's that's lighting Dingo and I were at a we were at
• 54:10
  a funeral of a near dear friend and brother to both of us and
• 54:16
  without naming names without being specific, I won't do that.
• 54:19
  But we were there and that individuals son who's I think
• 54:25
  maybe Eight or something. I mean he's young.
• 54:30
  They're not mine. I can't wait for was with.
• 54:32
  Yeah. I mean young man goes and just
• 54:35
  blurts out. I'm having a mental breakdown
• 54:40
  and just as I'm having a mental breakdown Lee and I love him and
• 54:44
  I stopped. Yeah and I stopped I think we
• 54:46
  both did dingo you and I were both sitting there we but I
• 54:48
  looked at him like man kid, you know just wait without knowing
• 54:53
  the full context of why. He said what he said, but
• 54:57
  understanding later on some of the things going on in his life
• 55:03
  or whatever. It's like, again, the age, the
• 55:05
  number that the perception of our existence and started in
• 55:08
  terms of time, right? This kid just expressed himself
• 55:12
  in a way that was like, man, that's profound.
• 55:14
  Like I'm having a mental breakdown having a nervous
• 55:16
  break. I'm having a breakdown over here
• 55:17
  is very adult. It was it was.
• 55:20
  Yeah, it was a dolt mature, I guess.
• 55:24
  I mean, I don't know. It was so like you look over and
• 55:28
  you go, man, you think you haven't won now?
• 55:29
  Just wait, but at the same time, it gave pause to think about
• 55:35
  why, why do you say something like that?
• 55:37
  At that tender young age? You know.
• 55:40
  Well, that's when I had came to the sad but not really sad
• 55:45
  because there's more to it. But somewhat sad conclusion,
• 55:48
  that existing, in general is probably the cause of suffering,
• 55:53
  because if you weren't to exist in, there would be No separation
• 55:56
  between well, anything so suffering, nor pleasure would
• 55:59
  exist, and you wouldn't even be there to experience what the
• 56:03
  thought of pleasure or pain would be like.
• 56:05
  So it would be pure Bliss so I told him I had that thought very
• 56:11
  close to your age. That hit close to home and find.
• 56:16
  I know so samsara, it's samsara. Yeah, so we always suffering
• 56:24
  birth is pain. Life is pain, death is pain.
• 56:26
  It's all suffering. Yes, but let's let's let's look
• 56:33
  at it one other way to what does suffering lead to.
• 56:37
  What does that adversity? Lead to it breeds a thing if you
• 56:41
  allow it to and this this goes into some very specific
• 56:45
  approaches to life and how we because again nature is
• 56:49
  suffering, nature experiences. The very thing that we as humans
• 56:54
  as simple as as conscious beings as in a way to express, Sit in
• 56:59
  words and all this that we're able to talk about like these
• 57:01
  are things that are that are experienced in nature that they
• 57:04
  don't have the the verbal expression to describe, but it's
• 57:08
  still there. It's still an inherent part of
• 57:10
  existence. So the adversity, the suffering,
• 57:16
  can if we allow it and if we work it in such a way on
• 57:21
  ourselves as the beings that we are, those things breeds worth
• 57:26
  it breeds things of of importance to our people and to
• 57:30
  our nearest and dearest. So like if everything just
• 57:32
  sucked and we just didn't do anything about it, then we all
• 57:37
  be just some pretty miserable sack of Flesh walking around
• 57:41
  here the existing right but we take some we say we take
• 57:44
  suffering and we in the best way that we can at least I hope
• 57:52
  allow that to temper us and and and put us in a position to Be
• 57:58
  more worth to it to our peers into the to those that we are
• 58:04
  nearest and dearest to around us you know.
• 58:06
  Otherwise like you say we're just kind of just existing in in
• 58:10
  misery until we Aspire find the things that make you suffer
• 58:15
  less? Well, yeah.
• 58:18
  What would worth be to you if you were to not exist?
• 58:24
  Where is this place? What my what my worth is is not
• 58:29
  what I deem my worth to be. My worth is what other people
• 58:33
  tell me my worth is. I'm worth nothing.
• 58:37
  Unless my people tell me, I'm worth something.
• 58:40
  And that's where the relationship between our people
• 58:44
  ties in. We are not just trees, we are
• 58:47
  not just plants, we are not just animals.
• 58:50
  We are conscious beings that have connections to two other
• 58:55
  conscious beings and We we live or die by that and our existence
• 59:06
  in between, is going to be the quality of life is going to be
• 59:11
  determined based on the people that were around the people that
• 59:14
  we tie that weird those, those threads with, we're all sort of
• 59:19
  interconnected in a way. Well, what would the quality of
• 59:22
  life be worth to you? If you weren't living my point?
• 59:26
  Is that will, if you're if you're not living, then there is
• 59:28
  no question. There is no quality of life.
• 59:30
  I mean, it's oxymoron. Yeah, well, there's no non
• 59:33
  quality of life. How would a tree exist if you
• 59:39
  will never have existed are? Okay, let me preface.
• 59:43
  Are you saying, have you never existed at all?
• 59:47
  Or are you saying if you were to cease to exist at this moment?
• 59:55
  To cease to exist entirely entirely from beginning to end
• 1:00:00
  but also then you've been nothing would nothing.
• 1:00:04
  This would be all that you would know as far as we know.
• 1:00:10
  Well what is nothing? Because we don't know anything
• 1:00:13
  about non-existence because the only way that humans can
• 1:00:18
  experience to our knowledge is by existence.
• 1:00:25
  What is nothingness, but everything.
• 1:00:26
  But together, when you mix all the colors in the color, in the
• 1:00:30
  spectrum, that we can see, including the grayscale.
• 1:00:33
  What do you end up with nothingness?
• 1:00:36
  Is everything there those are the exact same thing.
• 1:00:39
  Yes my father said color thing is when you mix all the time
• 1:00:43
  that's why I don't believe in death.
• 1:00:47
  I don't believe non-existence is possible.
• 1:00:51
  Without existence. They, they can't exist without
• 1:00:55
  one another. Therefore if they're there is no
• 1:01:01
  non existence because there has to be that existence parallel
• 1:01:06
  that there has to be that balance.
• 1:01:07
  Otherwise nonexistent is not doesn't make sense it it has no
• 1:01:15
  function as nothing to balance off of.
• 1:01:19
  Well, that's what you think because you currently exist.
• 1:01:21
  I mean he wanted to that rational sort of mine.
• 1:01:24
  Well y'all are. Well, it's not, isn't it?
• 1:01:27
  Well it's not only that but if you have nothingness, There has
• 1:01:33
  to be an existence. Otherwise there is no
• 1:01:35
  nothingness. But there's nothing to
• 1:01:39
  nothingness. Is a concept that we cannot
• 1:01:43
  conceive with our human brain because the only thing we have
• 1:01:47
  to compare it to is existence. Well, if you were non-existent
• 1:01:53
  what would be what would be the difference between nothing and
• 1:01:56
  something? There would be, I mean, again
• 1:01:59
  that's something that the that know, I don't think any living
• 1:02:02
  sentient being can conceive because if non-existence were
• 1:02:08
  all then nothing would exist at all.
• 1:02:13
  It would just be nothing. It was just be black, it would
• 1:02:16
  just be nothing. Nothing you do nothing but good
• 1:02:20
  things exist. Nothing.
• 1:02:22
  There has to be that way. They exist, they exist.
• 1:02:27
  There has to be so doesn't concept of nothingness is by the
• 1:02:31
  opposite of existence. Right?
• 1:02:34
  Because every every piece of lore that exists in multiple
• 1:02:39
  cultures describes existence coming from nothingness, whether
• 1:02:44
  it's Norse and they're gonna Gap, right?
• 1:02:46
  There was a void, there was Blackness and there was elements
• 1:02:49
  that could that Clash, that combine that create that their
• 1:02:51
  pets. Guard that whole creation myth
• 1:02:53
  or whether it's Christian or judeo Christian concepts of the
• 1:03:00
  creation Theory where it was the Earth was without form and void
• 1:03:03
  and there were things that happened from the creator of the
• 1:03:06
  less you avoid. Which that covers like marry an
• 1:03:09
  Egyptian Mayan Indian Hindu. Exactly.
• 1:03:14
  It all started from nothing at all started for nothing but for
• 1:03:16
  us to exist, interests of to to have a understanding of our
• 1:03:20
  existence. It started from Thing, and it
• 1:03:22
  could not continue as nothing for life to exist for for
• 1:03:27
  Symbian life to exist. Couldn't there had to be, there
• 1:03:32
  had to be something there, had to be at least that Speck that
• 1:03:37
  Speck of dust. That was something in order for
• 1:03:40
  there to be nothing. Otherwise, there is truly
• 1:03:46
  nothing. Yeah, well, my perception of it,
• 1:03:49
  is that nothing does exist. I mean, for example, I'm going
• 1:03:53
  to use. So what are you?
• 1:03:56
  What am I exist? What are you An illusion that
• 1:04:01
  you're perceiving. That may very well be.
• 1:04:06
  Well, all of us could be an illusion.
• 1:04:08
  We could all be in a simulation of a simulation of a simulation.
• 1:04:12
  Shout-out, Rick and Morty. I mean, just like, right, so
• 1:04:18
  what am I then? There are we're we all Illusions
• 1:04:24
  to one another and if we are we're still experiencing it.
• 1:04:27
  And so it doesn't matter if I mean, 50% of astrophysicists and
• 1:04:36
  Quantum, physicists agree that we are possibly in a computer,
• 1:04:41
  simulation regardless, that's our reality and we exist within
• 1:04:45
  it. And therefore We Exist.
• 1:04:50
  Okay. I have an answer.
• 1:04:52
  I am you coming on to you in a different form.
• 1:04:56
  Right. But that still exists for the
• 1:05:01
  idea of the self. If it was here, your Tibetan
• 1:05:06
  Book of the Dead and and regardless we still exist,
• 1:05:15
  you're still experiencing this. And so you got to deal with it.
• 1:05:19
  You have to deal with that and unless you just give up.
• 1:05:23
  Then you have to deal with that existence regardless of what it
• 1:05:26
  is. What, what medium it is.
• 1:05:28
  It doesn't matter. It's the medium that we can
• 1:05:31
  perceive and understand If it was seen from Material
• 1:05:36
  perspective, being the body and the self in the physical world,
• 1:05:39
  it can't be the self because the self can't be found within you
• 1:05:43
  can say, this is the kidney. These are the lungs.
• 1:05:44
  That's the heart, here's the brain etcetera, but where is the
• 1:05:48
  self energy of that? You could say that the self is
• 1:05:50
  all the parts to put together, but being separate or connected
• 1:05:53
  to anything about Solutions, simultaneously.
• 1:05:55
  So yourself would be the concept of those things being connected.
• 1:05:59
  At that point, we leave materialism because Concepts and
• 1:06:02
  thoughts are not Material. So that would mean that the self
• 1:06:05
  is conceptual still no because Concepts cannot exist.
• 1:06:08
  Only the in our experience beyond that, it is only Oblivion
• 1:06:12
  in there for nothing. So we are our experiences.
• 1:06:14
  No. Because our experiences don't
• 1:06:16
  exist and are all Illusions. So we are literally nothing
• 1:06:18
  perceiving. Nothing We're just a moment
• 1:06:23
  receiving. If my kidney fails, I'm gonna
• 1:06:26
  have a bad time but you're still perceiving, you know and whoever
• 1:06:30
  wrote that sounds like they read a lot of Carl Jung.
• 1:06:35
  You know, I wrote that and that kind of sounds like you've read
• 1:06:39
  a lot of Carl Jung. I don't even know his name.
• 1:06:44
  You should look in the Carl Jung.
• 1:06:45
  I think you would like him a lot.
• 1:06:47
  Yeah, I saw that kind acts, same thing.
• 1:06:53
  There's the self when you're talking to self the self.
• 1:06:58
  I don't perceive myself as existing.
• 1:07:05
  I don't view myself as a singular.
• 1:07:09
  Thing. Then what is your experience?
• 1:07:13
  I'm a father. I'm a brother.
• 1:07:18
  I'm a son. I'm a worker at my job.
• 1:07:28
  Unworthy. I I'm a musician.
• 1:07:32
  I'm a composer. I'm all of these things, but
• 1:07:36
  don't none of those things are me.
• 1:07:40
  Mime, all of those things put together, the, the me that you
• 1:07:46
  perceive me to be is totally different than the me that Jesse
• 1:07:49
  perceives me to be or that my mom perceives me to be or the,
• 1:07:53
  my kid perceives to me. Need to be, it's all the same
• 1:07:56
  person. It's all the same self, that
• 1:07:59
  those are all completely different ideas and entities.
• 1:08:05
  So you are everybody else's thoughts of you if you're ready.
• 1:08:08
  Yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's what we all are.
• 1:08:10
  Yep, that's what humans have
• 1:08:23
  forgotten and gotten to driven on the ego.
• 1:08:28
  And the add level and things. We are, we are connected and
• 1:08:33
  we're more connected than we think we are.
• 1:08:38
  Well, what are those people? And what are those thoughts of
• 1:08:41
  you other than just more Illusions from different
• 1:08:43
  perspectives? They say they see things as the
• 1:08:47
  same as you. Most no, they don't, they really
• 1:08:51
  don't know. They still follow the standard
• 1:08:55
  philosophy. They function off of the same
• 1:09:00
  philosophies what I'm trying to say, you're not exactly.
• 1:09:03
  No. They don't function in the same
• 1:09:08
  manner at all. I got known this guy.
• 1:09:12
  I've known I've known dingo for the probably.
• 1:09:14
  I've known dingo as friends and and and stuff for like the
• 1:09:18
  biggest part of like the last six six ish or so years.
• 1:09:23
  All right, just let's put things into the to the, to the realm of
• 1:09:27
  things that we understand, right?
• 1:09:28
  The spatial time that we understand as humans of all that
• 1:09:33
  shit. So I've known him for like the
• 1:09:35
  last six years, whatever, I haven't really gotten to know,
• 1:09:38
  him know him Until very recently because I was him and he was me
• 1:09:43
  and we were I and I were we and there was a lot of things that,
• 1:09:47
  you know, took place very recently that that that killed
• 1:09:52
  the individual perception of ourselves right?
• 1:09:56
  Cuckoo kachou, mother ever, right?
• 1:09:58
  I mean, I know and it sounds very I don't know, it sounds
• 1:10:05
  very goofy in a way like when you Talk about it like that, but
• 1:10:10
  the experience of it all? It was like, man, just
• 1:10:13
  individual experience, individual understandings of
• 1:10:16
  self is a perception of it all. When you experience each other
• 1:10:21
  in a way that transcends that profane understanding of it all,
• 1:10:25
  it goes into this type of stuff that you're talking about, why
• 1:10:28
  it, but it, you absorb it totally different and you
• 1:10:31
  experience it in a different way where it's like, I don't even
• 1:10:34
  really matter myself. None of this right here amounts
• 1:10:38
  to much of anything. because it's just it's just what you
• 1:10:40
  get, what you see, is what you get and that's About it.
• 1:10:45
  It's surface level stuff the way that the world is connected, the
• 1:10:50
  way that humans are connected with.
• 1:10:52
  We're all connected goes Way Beyond anything that most people
• 1:10:56
  in the world can describe our experience.
• 1:11:03
  Do you remember what I said from the livestream?
• 1:11:05
  About the dream area, how everything is a dream and our
• 1:11:09
  minds are only limiting us to a certain point because if it
• 1:11:12
  didn't, then everything would be chaos.
• 1:11:13
  And therefore nothing. Well, we still are that nothing
• 1:11:17
  just wear nothing ordered in a specific way.
• 1:11:21
  So the reason why you and I are connected and UI and dingo are
• 1:11:25
  connected this because, well, there's no separation between
• 1:11:30
  nothing and nothing. They're all connected because
• 1:11:32
  there's literally nothing else to connect, but it's pure
• 1:11:36
  Oblivion. Its Subterranean, is one of the
• 1:11:40
  ways that I like to put it, it sits beneath the surface and it
• 1:11:44
  It's not even just beneath the surface.
• 1:11:45
  It's like so far so far beneath it.
• 1:11:49
  It's inside itself. I don't know.
• 1:11:51
  It's a very weird. Have you ever accepted?
• 1:11:57
  Existence is something and we haven't figured it out yet but
• 1:12:01
  we're still all floating in the void, right?
• 1:12:03
  We're all just kind of Struggle Bus they're awake, they're
• 1:12:05
  doing. So you know, we're just all
• 1:12:08
  floating and avoid. Yeah, but this existence thing
• 1:12:11
  is weird and we're trying to figure it out, still Jesse There
• 1:12:15
  is no below the surface because but what happens when you dig
• 1:12:20
  all the way through a planet, you get to an end of a pod.
• 1:12:25
  Guest, I don't know, the aren't stopping.
• 1:12:30
  No. I mean this is this is stuff
• 1:12:33
  that like I say we could go on for probably six seven hours and
• 1:12:36
  have a long drawn-out stuff conversation about.
• 1:12:40
  It's absolutely engaging and I love this type of thing because
• 1:12:44
  it goes beyond just the, you know, what do you believe in?
• 1:12:49
  You know, what do you think happens when you die or any of
• 1:12:52
  this other, sort of like, how do you exist with people?
• 1:12:53
  Like, it's very important. Aunt types of conversations to
• 1:12:57
  have, unfortunately, we do have a Somewhat of a time frame to
• 1:13:01
  keep within because we are people and people have things
• 1:13:05
  that they need to do. And I have things that I need to
• 1:13:07
  do and we all have things that we need to do.
• 1:13:09
  Like we could we could literally probably do just go on and on, I
• 1:13:14
  know with this particular crowd in our and I vote would go on
• 1:13:19
  for this part 2 with Patrick and Alex.
• 1:13:23
  Sweet. Yeah, I think that would be a
• 1:13:25
  great podcast. So let's let's do part two of
• 1:13:28
  this. We'll schedule it for season 3.
• 1:13:31
  Well yet what will get an awesome audience will get you
• 1:13:34
  know all of the you know we'll get you dingo will get.
• 1:13:36
  Patrick will get Alex and we'll just go down into the proverbial
• 1:13:44
  Rabbit. Hole dig into the core go into
• 1:13:47
  the Subterranean levels of things and explore at all.
• 1:13:52
  Let's get To it, you know, there's still one pretty
• 1:13:55
  important thing I want to mention today that involves
• 1:13:59
  magic if you would allow me to sure, let's go ahead.
• 1:14:04
  Have you ever watched those mandelbrot Zoom videos and have
• 1:14:09
  you ever after a while thought that you were controlling it?
• 1:14:12
  The zooming of the mandelbrot like you feel like you're
• 1:14:15
  leading yourself into something intentionally.
• 1:14:19
  Well, assuming there's no separation between you and the
• 1:14:22
  man. A blot with the mandelbrot being
• 1:14:24
  the Universe? I think that's sort of how magic
• 1:14:27
  works. We, we are just going into the
• 1:14:30
  magic, the mandelbrot and give them the illusion that we're
• 1:14:33
  controlling it. And therefore, not only does
• 1:14:38
  that get rid of the idea of cause and effect, but that also
• 1:14:40
  gets rid of the idea of actually manipulating anything.
• 1:14:45
  It's just, it isn't us, it isn't us causing anything, it's just
• 1:14:51
  becoming aware of the next motion of mandelbrot set.
• 1:14:55
  That's all I want to say. Yeah, it's us becoming aware
• 1:15:02
  that we can. That we do, see it.
• 1:15:08
  There we go. So how is it causational if it's
• 1:15:11
  just prediction How is it a science in that case?
• 1:15:17
  Yeah. It depends on what form of
• 1:15:21
  magic, you're referring to. Well, chaos magic specifically.
• 1:15:28
  But I'm using this as sort of a general blanket term for
• 1:15:30
  everything. Right, because chaos magic is
• 1:15:36
  totally different than Herbal Magic.
• 1:15:38
  Yeah. But yeah, man.
• 1:15:42
  Like that can, that's sweet. I mean, random Heathen
• 1:15:45
  ramblings, ladies and gentlemen, if this is not the most
• 1:15:48
  randomest you've experienced here on this podcast before for,
• 1:15:55
  you know, yeah, they're in season 2.
• 1:15:57
  Then I challenge you to find anything more intriguing and
• 1:16:02
  more mind stimulating than this out there.
• 1:16:06
  If you do, let me know. Drop a comment.
• 1:16:10
  Send an email. I don't know, just tweet it at
• 1:16:13
  it. Midgard musings, hashtag It,
• 1:16:15
  Whatever the the freaking social media things want you to do, but
• 1:16:19
  let us know because I'm not gonna give you my sources, only
• 1:16:27
  be one, but I I do I want to say thank you for for you guys
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  taking some time out of your night.
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  I know why it this has been a something you've been asking
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  about for a while. And I'm glad that we finally got
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  time to do it. There will be a part two of this
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  trust me and then maybe they'll be a part 3. 4 5, who knows?
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  We have a maybe a recurring segment on the podcast for
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  season 3. We'll see how it goes and get
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  into some really you know mind-bending type stuff but
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  that'd be cool. Also shout-out Seth choir.
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  Seth guy. He do you remember him?
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  He was one of my friends. He'd probably be freaking out
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  over this whole thing if he's out here on YouTube or wherever.
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  And, you know, we can share that to him or out there.
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  Yeah, but shout out to SEC wire, thanks to, you know, Hawaii or
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  so. But for everybody that's
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  listening watching this about this is going to wrap up the
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  podcast, you guys can hang out for just a second before I wrap
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  things up. But yeah, everybody listening
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  watching. Be sure to check the description
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  or show notes of the podcast for why it's Channel and and stuff
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  and see what is going on in his young mind.
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  And Engage in a little bit, you know, check out some of his
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  stuff, ask some questions, comment, whatever, subscribe to
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  this Channel and look at the width apart to ask me to
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  challenge my work because then I would be able to build off of
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  your questions. That's good to hear, that's good
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  to hear. So you heard it from the man
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  himself, you know, challenge him, give him some things to
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  think about, giving some points to study on, give him some
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  things to digest and mull over. So, until you guys mind, if we
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  stick around after a while, Ask a rather personal question to
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  dingo. Yeah, yeah.
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  Hang out for a second because we're going to wrap the podcast
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  up, but I'm not going to shut things down for, for, for you,
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  and I, and he, so, but for everybody listening watching
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  today, you guys are all awesome. Thank you so much for a
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  wonderful season 2 of the random Heathen ramblings podcast.
• 1:18:30
  Stay tuned for more stuff about the updates.
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  On the channel. There will be a sort of a state
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  of the channel address probably within a week's time of this
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  talked again, stay safe, stay healthy.
• 1:18:54
  Stay well have a great rest of the Year may your Hearth fires
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  all continue to burn bright and we'll see you all in the next
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  episode. Thank you all for watching and
• 1:19:04
  thank you, Jesse. If you let me on Cheers, no, I
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  always been fun.