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Street Farbrengen Episode 115 - Looking for a new experience? How about stop pretending you understand the one you’re already in! · ChabadLife.TV Street Farbrengen

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SPEAKER_04: Ruven, a lot of growth has happened this year, and as I'm coming up to uh Pesach, I want to have already set uh a proper intention and preparation so that my Siddharum and Pesach is utilized to the fullest.
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SPEAKER_04: Do you have any recommendations for that?
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SPEAKER_02: I honestly feel like saying no.
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SPEAKER_02: I have nothing to suggest, but what's the connection between oh, this year there's a lot of growth.
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SPEAKER_02: I want to prepare for the Satyrs.
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SPEAKER_02: Are you worried you won't continue to grow?
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SPEAKER_02: Like what is the what's the connection here?
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
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SPEAKER_04: I honestly it's just like a lot has changed already and is so if it changed already, what would make you think it won't continue?
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SPEAKER_04: I'm not saying it won't.
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SPEAKER_04: I want to preempt the growth to the momentum.
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SPEAKER_04: Well, I I want to take a jump now.
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SPEAKER_04: I'm ready to delute.
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SPEAKER_04: I want to, I'm I'm ready to go to a whole new level.
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SPEAKER_02: Okay.
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SPEAKER_02: Well, good luck.
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SPEAKER_04: I need some suggestions.
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SPEAKER_04: This is a Vita.
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SPEAKER_04: Like for how to activate that, how to do that, how to I don't know.
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SPEAKER_02: Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.
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SPEAKER_02: So you have this, we call it in in the world where in certain worlds are called you have this hallucination that you're gonna be able to jump and make a delugue totally to a whole new level.
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SPEAKER_02: Okay.
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SPEAKER_02: Do you have any context of where you want to go to?
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SPEAKER_02: Is it to get out of or to go into?
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SPEAKER_04: To go into.
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SPEAKER_02: Okay.
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SPEAKER_02: And do you have any kind of like do you need a sense or a picture of where you want to go to in order to make a jump?
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SPEAKER_02: Or is the jump like you don't know if there's any water in the swimming pool?
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SPEAKER_04: You're saying you're just jumping in and you're Yeah, you're just hoping for the best.
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SPEAKER_04: That's what it kind of feels like, yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: But how many delugs have you been having?
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SPEAKER_04: No, no.
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SPEAKER_04: I'm just saying, like, I I get the idea that what you're describing of like knowing where you're going into.
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SPEAKER_04: So again, we could talk about that.
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SPEAKER_04: What the uh what it looks like that you're jumping into.
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SPEAKER_04: But I don't know.
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SPEAKER_04: Maybe there is this idea that it's just like, okay, how do I get beyond anything I could even imagine and tap into that you know level of you know something I can't even imagine that I should be uh asking for.
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SPEAKER_02: Well, it's interesting what you're bringing up.
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SPEAKER_02: I'll tell you why.
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SPEAKER_02: Every year for the last 20 years, I teach myself that I don't understand anything because I go and I read Sharjikulpa Muna from the Mitla Rebbe and Sharia Munna, which talks about, at least in the beginning, the idea of Pesach and eating matza.
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SPEAKER_02: And he asks a simple question that it says in the Zayhar that we know that it says that the uh matzah is Maichla de Menusa.
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SPEAKER_02: You're eating amuna.
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SPEAKER_02: Amuna food.
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SPEAKER_02: Unbelievable.
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SPEAKER_02: And the Arizol says it's cottonista abba.
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SPEAKER_02: It's we'll call it for fun, small mindedness.
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SPEAKER_02: Small brains.
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SPEAKER_02: Or a small mind.
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SPEAKER_02: And the Mitlaribba's question is small mind means that there's sechel there.
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SPEAKER_02: There's consciousness there.
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SPEAKER_02: If we're gonna say mind means consciousness of something, right?
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SPEAKER_02: Amuna is the opposite.
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SPEAKER_02: Amuna is there's no sechel.
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SPEAKER_02: It's above sechel.
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SPEAKER_02: So how is the same matzah called in two different places in Yesuit in the Torah of Yesuit has to call both?
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SPEAKER_02: That's that's the question that uh the Mithlerabah opens up with basically.
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SPEAKER_02: And he says something there the way I understand it is to explain that it's not a contradiction, he says the following First of all, what is a Muna of?
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SPEAKER_02: Like what are you being ma'a mean in or of?
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SPEAKER_02: I don't know what the right word is.
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SPEAKER_02: Okay.
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SPEAKER_02: And it says no thought can grasp in you.
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SPEAKER_02: Right?
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SPEAKER_02: Okay.
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SPEAKER_02: How do you do that?
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SPEAKER_02: It's always perplexed me.
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SPEAKER_01: How do you what does it mean?
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SPEAKER_01: You believe in um how would you put it?
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SPEAKER_02: You believe in something you don't know what you're believing in?
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unknown: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: Kind of sounds like that, yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: Okay.
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SPEAKER_02: But that that's something not just because I don't know it or I'm not smart enough to know it, but it's outside the purview of knowing.
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SPEAKER_02: Because it's not uh it doesn't have a ghul, doesn't have a limitation, right?
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SPEAKER_02: Sure.
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SPEAKER_02: So you and how do you have this idea?
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SPEAKER_02: So what so no, what do you do with that amuna?
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SPEAKER_02: And he asks the question, Moisha Rubinu has to eat matzah also.
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SPEAKER_02: So it's not only that we're eating the matzah, but it says it says ra'a amuna, um shepherdamuna, nurture your amuna, and even even Moish Rubinu has to do that and eat matza on the first night of Pesa.
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SPEAKER_02: Okay.
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SPEAKER_02: So the the the question is, if you think about it, is what I'm what am I directed towards when I'm having a Muna?
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SPEAKER_02: And that, which you can't put a direction to.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: Okay.
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SPEAKER_02: Got it.
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SPEAKER_02: So the Midlareba ends up saying that you could fuel your Amuna to the point where it's like you s you with on the level of surety of seeing that which your mominen.
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unknown: Okay.
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SPEAKER_02: Mashiach is this level of a reinu ni floy, so you're gonna see beyond miracles, you're gonna see the essence.
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SPEAKER_02: Okay, and the essence has got no graspable s elements to it.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: But you're gonna Okay.
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SPEAKER_02: So he says that Amuna will bring you to Malikora Kular's Dea Sashem, to Das.
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SPEAKER_02: Now, what's Das?
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SPEAKER_02: That's the original question.
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SPEAKER_02: Das is that you have a conscious awareness of a something.
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SPEAKER_02: But he brings the Gemara that says that a child does not know how to call Abba father until he tastes, until he tastes a taste of of uh of the wheat kernel.
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SPEAKER_02: Okay, or Dagan doesn't have to be wheat, but okay.
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SPEAKER_02: So he he gives a mushal that this child calls out Tati and has absolutely no idea, in a sense, how this father becomes his tati or is his tati.
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SPEAKER_02: It doesn't have a sechel to it.
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SPEAKER_02: Right?
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SPEAKER_02: Sure.
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SPEAKER_02: There's no understanding.
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SPEAKER_02: It's just call it you want to call it natural, call it natural.
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SPEAKER_02: But it uh after he begins to taste the taste of a kernel of wheat.
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SPEAKER_02: Okay.
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SPEAKER_02: So at that moment, freeze that moment where the child says tati, does he have any sechel of who this tati is?
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SPEAKER_02: No.
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SPEAKER_02: No.
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SPEAKER_02: But he's recognizing without sechel that this is my tati.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: Okay.
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SPEAKER_02: That is going to be the source actually of his understanding as he grows that this is my tati.
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SPEAKER_02: So incorporated in that moment of recognition is all the sacral that's going to come later.
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SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: Okay.
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SPEAKER_02: So from that point of view, it's katnasta'abba.
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SPEAKER_02: It hasn't been thrushed out yet.
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SPEAKER_02: But at the moment that he has this realization that this is Tati, that this is my father, he on one hand recognizes it, and on the other hand has no sakel to it.
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SPEAKER_02: And that, he says, is the first drop of the presentation of Amuna.
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SPEAKER_02: Amuna's the same way.
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SPEAKER_02: You're going to begin to see that if you focus on Amuna enough, you'll begin to recognize reality that you're looking at.
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SPEAKER_02: Right?
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SPEAKER_01: Mm-hmm.
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SPEAKER_02: Within the context of that Amuna.
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SPEAKER_02: Now, let's explain that a little bit more.
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SPEAKER_02: The way I understand it at least, and I don't know if I know what I'm talking about.
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SPEAKER_02: So there's a question that the ph philosophers ask, or it's asked in Tara, that why is it say Anoika Shemalakha Sheratz Mitsraim?
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SPEAKER_02: Right?
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SPEAKER_02: Took you out of Egypt and doesn't say Shabrasi Shimain Vahar.
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SPEAKER_02: I created the heavens and the earth.
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SPEAKER_02: Isn't Yeshmain a greater accomplishment than take you out of Egypt?
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SPEAKER_02: It's Yeshima Yesh, you were there, I took you out, very nice.
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SPEAKER_02: Okay.
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SPEAKER_02: So the answer is given ultimately, and the Mintler Rebbe brings it up in this mimer.
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SPEAKER_02: The answer is given that your recognition that Hashem creates comes through your awareness and your eyesight of the world.
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SPEAKER_02: Right?
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SPEAKER_02: So it's only through the prison of the world.
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SPEAKER_02: Okay.
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SPEAKER_02: I took you out of Egypt, and the schus of taking you out of Egypt, in this context of this Maimur, is that you were willing to go.
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SPEAKER_02: You had a munna Sakharti Chesed no raikh.
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SPEAKER_02: You know, mea says, I'm gonna remember the I remember the ches the the the the uh kindness of your youth.
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SPEAKER_02: Shaqtacha Akray Bamidbard, you went after me in the desert.
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SPEAKER_02: The Jews dropped everything, right?
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SPEAKER_02: And they with nothing in their hand except for that matzah on their back, and they went into the desert.
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SPEAKER_02: It's Mishagas, right?
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SPEAKER_02: And if you think about it.
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SPEAKER_02: So there was total amuna.
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SPEAKER_02: Okay.
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SPEAKER_02: The amuna factor is you don't see, especially the way we just explained with the Middle Rebbe, you don't see it through a prism of a something else.
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SPEAKER_02: You have a munna in what is God, which is Nogvul.
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SPEAKER_02: Right?
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SPEAKER_02: And that's greater than the power recognition of creation, because you're still seeing it through the prism of a creation.
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SPEAKER_02: Now, let's take your original question.
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SPEAKER_02: How could we begin to feel that's at the jump?
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SPEAKER_01: That was a question, not a statement.
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SPEAKER_02: What do you mean yeah?
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SPEAKER_02: How do how is the idea of a moona to the in a g in a call it a blank slate for for our discussion here?
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SPEAKER_02: With no form, no ghul at all.
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SPEAKER_02: That's what you're focused on.
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SPEAKER_02: I have a muna and no ghvul at all.
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SPEAKER_02: Okay, eventually that's going to be the schus.
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SPEAKER_02: That's what it means.
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SPEAKER_02: Um Zakharti Chesed Nurayek in this Maimur.
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SPEAKER_02: I remember the chesed of your youth, that you're willing to attach yourself to that level of a Muna and go into the midbar.
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SPEAKER_02: Now, what's the midbar?
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SPEAKER_04: Where you're jumping.
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SPEAKER_02: Go out your no, the mid-bar is open up your door and go out on you know your street, walk, get in your car, and drive.
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SPEAKER_01: That's the mid-bar.
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SPEAKER_02: And somehow that power of a Muna is going to filter into the world.
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SPEAKER_02: And when it filters into the world, it's like the child who says Abba.
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SPEAKER_02: Okay, so according to that, is a Muna jumping into the pool without knowing if there's any water in it?
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SPEAKER_02: What is the what it when you say when people say to themselves, even though they probably don't really mean it, but when they say, I want them to take a jump, what are they really what are you saying?
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SPEAKER_02: Let's talk about us.
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SPEAKER_02: Like, what are you saying you want to take a leap?
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SPEAKER_02: I'm saying that.
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SPEAKER_02: Listen to me, what do you have in your mind that picture?
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SPEAKER_02: What do you have in your heart that spirit joie de vive that you have?
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SPEAKER_04: No, but I already said I'm not I'm not a hundred percent sure what it looks like, but I know that it's there.
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SPEAKER_02: Maybe you didn't get my question.
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SPEAKER_02: Okay.
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SPEAKER_02: Which I'm used to.
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SPEAKER_02: I'm asking you, what are you feeling?
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SPEAKER_02: What are you?
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SPEAKER_04: I'm feeling that there's a Matssius that I could tap into that is so beyond anything that I have.
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SPEAKER_04: Therefore, what?
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SPEAKER_04: So therefore I'm trying to figure out.
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SPEAKER_02: If you decide to go work for NASA and become an astronaut, that's pretty built into like the unknown, unadventurous little part of your world.
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SPEAKER_02: That would be a big jump.
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SPEAKER_02: What do we what do we I'm not talking about where you're going to?
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SPEAKER_02: What is this urge, if anything, for a leap?
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SPEAKER_02: Where does it come from?
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SPEAKER_02: By definition, a leap is not procedural and it's not from one state to another state that logically one runs into the other, right?
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SPEAKER_02: Okay.
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SPEAKER_02: So what part of you wants to leap?
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SPEAKER_02: Where do what does it make you feel?
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SPEAKER_02: What's going to happen?
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SPEAKER_02: What's your imagination?
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SPEAKER_04: What is your But well you were saying before that it did seem like you're you're talking about jumping into the jumping in without knowing if there's any water.
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SPEAKER_04: You don't know where you're jumping into the water.
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SPEAKER_04: What do you want to do that for?
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SPEAKER_04: Where is that coming from?
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SPEAKER_04: From the the desire to expand, to break through, to experience reality on a whole new level.
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SPEAKER_04: The previous jumps that I feel like I've had before took me to places I couldn't imagine.
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SPEAKER_04: I want that.
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SPEAKER_02: Oh, you've had previous jumps.
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SPEAKER_04: Oh, yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: Of course.
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SPEAKER_02: What did it what did it feel like?
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SPEAKER_04: Mind-blowingly expansive.
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SPEAKER_04: What is amazingly, you know, just uh euphoria.
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SPEAKER_02: You went to Costa Rica for a little, a little uh ayahuasca weekend?
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SPEAKER_02: What do you mean?
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SPEAKER_02: Mind-blowing, expansive.
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SPEAKER_02: It felt euphoric.
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SPEAKER_04: I want to know what happened differently to Zacharya.
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SPEAKER_04: I was able to see the world differently and treat the world differently based off of that uh that experience.
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SPEAKER_02: Based off the experience.
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SPEAKER_02: But the experience was not seeing the world differently?
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah, no.
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SPEAKER_02: The experience was seeing the world differently.
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SPEAKER_02: And how did you get to that jump?
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SPEAKER_02: And why do you want us right now see the world differently?
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SPEAKER_02: That you're saying you wish you had a you could jump on Pesa.
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SPEAKER_04: You could you're you're slightly mocking, but you could you could go in more.
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SPEAKER_04: You could do more, don't worry.
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SPEAKER_04: Dig in, Ruve, sure.
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SPEAKER_04: I want to.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah, okay.
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SPEAKER_02: Push back.
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SPEAKER_02: That's good.
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SPEAKER_02: You're waking up.
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SPEAKER_04: Seriously, I want to jump on Pesach.
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SPEAKER_04: What does that mean?
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SPEAKER_04: It means that there are infinite levels of I don't want to hear your intellectual philosophy.
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SPEAKER_02: I want to know the same guy that you're telling me had an experience when which we don't know when and where, that maybe expanding and mind-blowing, and you looked at the world all differently.
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SPEAKER_02: That guy had some kind of an experience with that.
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SPEAKER_02: You want to have that again.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: Okay.
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SPEAKER_02: But you can't tell me why.
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SPEAKER_04: I mean, why is because there's no because I've been going on the same programming for a while, and I'm ready and I feel excited and moved to uh to to break through that.
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SPEAKER_02: I see.
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SPEAKER_02: So you want some variety in your life.
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SPEAKER_02: Variety.
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SPEAKER_02: Well, you said I've been in the same thing till now.
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unknown: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: Are you bored?
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SPEAKER_04: I mean, is that no, like a perspective shift?
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SPEAKER_04: Uh uh.
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SPEAKER_02: I'm not asking you what it is.
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SPEAKER_02: I'm asking you why.
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SPEAKER_02: Are you unhappy?
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SPEAKER_04: You just told me you grew a lot.
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SPEAKER_04: Yeah, so I'm if good is good, better is better.
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SPEAKER_02: So grow some more.
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SPEAKER_04: Okay, I want to jump, grow.
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SPEAKER_02: Well, I okay.
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SPEAKER_02: I just, you know, listen, I know it says Pesach is jumping, and I know about all the things not all, but I know a lot of what it says about all that stuff.
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SPEAKER_02: But we treat this stuff so cavalierly.
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SPEAKER_02: We don't even know what we're talking about in terms of ourselves.
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SPEAKER_02: I wanna know.
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SPEAKER_02: And all the people joining us, what does it mean that you're gonna jump?
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SPEAKER_02: That's all I don't know what it means.
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SPEAKER_02: Am I gonna be a new?
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SPEAKER_02: I mean, am I gonna be different?
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SPEAKER_02: Am I gonna come out of the closet?
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SPEAKER_02: What does it mean?
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SPEAKER_02: Is that a jump?
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SPEAKER_02: I'm gonna I'm gonna have a gender change.
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SPEAKER_02: That's a jump.
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SPEAKER_02: Definitely a jump.
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SPEAKER_02: I don't want to take that jump, but you know, you seriously.
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SPEAKER_02: I know you're not allowed to talk like this in in these kinds of contexts of holy podcasts, but um we're supposed to get real, and that's why it's called street for Breckman.
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SPEAKER_02: It's not called base measures for Brengen.
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SPEAKER_02: We're not having um chubad house for Brengen.
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SPEAKER_02: This is street for Brennan for those people who live on the street or are influenced by the street.
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SPEAKER_02: So I could say all this stuff about yeah, okay, gender change.
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SPEAKER_02: That'll be a jump.
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SPEAKER_02: I just don't the whole thing.
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SPEAKER_02: I I've been recently borderline becoming a Tadik and a koifer at the same time.
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SPEAKER_02: It's unbelievable.
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SPEAKER_04: Oh, please, please go on.
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SPEAKER_02: Because I don't want any more fanciful, unrelatable to reality thoughts and ideas anymore.
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SPEAKER_01: Okay.
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SPEAKER_02: To me, that's Hasidic Kool-Aid.
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SPEAKER_02: I've drunk it, I've been drunk on it, and it's being purged.
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SPEAKER_02: Okay, good.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that was a jump.
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SPEAKER_02: That's a beautiful jump.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah, wow.
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SPEAKER_02: So what does that leave me with?
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SPEAKER_04: Your core.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: No, seriously.
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SPEAKER_04: Yeah, well, go back to with the what you said about the mitlarebba.
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SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_04: And the and and so the imuna is something that is completely beyond sickle, and it's the recognition of Abba.
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SPEAKER_04: No, well, in the end, yeah.
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SPEAKER_04: In the end, that's what it is.
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SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: And from that place is No, it's not the recognition of Abba.
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SPEAKER_02: It'll lead to the recognition level of Abba.
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SPEAKER_04: I thought the recognition of level of Abba is a state of this is my father without any sachel to it.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: Okay, so it comes out of the schus of a munna.
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SPEAKER_02: The mashl, it's a mushla, it's only a mushl.
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SPEAKER_02: Is the schus of a munna.
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SPEAKER_02: That you could actually focus and live your life in the context of which you're supposed to.
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SPEAKER_02: Hashem is Lumila Minasechel.
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SPEAKER_02: Not that you're bad.
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SPEAKER_02: And then you have intellectual ear.
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SPEAKER_02: You're saying you'll have to do that.
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SPEAKER_04: So I'm so I'm asking now, based off of what you're saying.
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SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_04: You would describe that as a jump, right?
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SPEAKER_04: That's your matzah.
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SPEAKER_04: That's what he's saying.
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SPEAKER_02: I would assume that would be an experience of a jump, yes.
20:55
SPEAKER_02: So which part?
20:57
SPEAKER_02: The Muna part or the child part.
21:01
SPEAKER_02: But go ahead, yeah.
21:03
SPEAKER_04: Good question, also.
21:04
SPEAKER_04: But the so I'm so I'm asking, so now how do you do that, Ruven?
21:08
SPEAKER_04: You've been reading this for the past 20 years.
21:10
SPEAKER_04: You said you don't want to have any more fanciful ideas.
21:13
SPEAKER_04: You eat matzah.
21:13
SPEAKER_04: You want something?
21:14
SPEAKER_04: You eat matzah and pesak and then you're Yotzi, you're done.
21:17
SPEAKER_04: Everybody's been doing it.
21:18
SPEAKER_02: That's one of his next questions is how do you eat a piece of matzah and have more amuna?
21:24
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
21:25
SPEAKER_02: It's a good question, right?
21:26
SPEAKER_02: It's only a friggin' piece of matzah water and flour.
21:29
SPEAKER_02: In any case.
21:31
SPEAKER_02: Um Yeah.
21:34
SPEAKER_04: So what do you do?
21:35
SPEAKER_04: I'm asking.
21:36
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it's a good question.
21:37
SPEAKER_04: So do you is it am I gonna hear the Tsadek Ruvain or am I hearing the Kofred Ruven?
21:42
SPEAKER_04: Which one is gonna come out and tell me what to do?
21:44
SPEAKER_02: I'm saying that that one could lead to the other.
21:47
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
21:48
SPEAKER_02: They're like twins right now.
21:49
SPEAKER_02: Um Siamese twins.
21:52
SPEAKER_02: Um really the question is how do you what does it mean and how How do you lock on to Amuna in we'll call it the way he says it there amuna on the level of no thought can grasp on you?
22:10
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
22:11
SPEAKER_02: Not now.
22:12
SPEAKER_02: How do most people understand Amuna?
22:14
SPEAKER_02: I believe.
22:15
SPEAKER_02: What do they mean?
22:17
SPEAKER_04: I don't get it, so I just have faith in it.
22:20
SPEAKER_02: Right.
22:20
SPEAKER_02: So the Amuna refers to their Seiko.
22:24
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
22:25
SPEAKER_02: Right?
22:27
SPEAKER_02: I don't get this, but I'll do it anyways because I have Amuna.
22:32
SPEAKER_02: So they're jumping over their own Seiko, so to speak.
22:38
SPEAKER_02: Bypassing their Seiko.
22:40
SPEAKER_02: Sure.
22:40
SPEAKER_02: And allowing themselves to, I don't know.
22:43
SPEAKER_04: Because their Seiko Seiho couldn't measure up to uh satisfy whatever, then no, this thing doesn't make sense to me, but I have a Muna that it's real.
22:52
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
22:53
SPEAKER_01: Right?
22:53
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
22:54
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
22:56
SPEAKER_01: What is the real m state of a Muna is in that which has no thought that can grasp in it.
23:09
SPEAKER_01: It's not the abandonment of my Seychel.
23:16
SPEAKER_02: It's the embrace of no Seichel.
23:21
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
23:22
SPEAKER_02: Okay, not no Seychel meaning not my Seychel, obviously, because you're talking about the Abish himself.
23:28
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
23:28
SPEAKER_02: Right.
23:29
SPEAKER_02: So maybe on a practical level, you sit down.
23:34
SPEAKER_02: You have you been fulfilling your hachlata that you told us all in public you were gonna do?
23:39
SPEAKER_02: I'm waxing and waning, but you're waxing and waning like the moon.
23:43
SPEAKER_02: You're so romantic.
23:45
SPEAKER_02: Wow, moon river.
23:48
SPEAKER_02: Wider than a mile.
23:49
SPEAKER_02: Fuck focus.
23:50
SPEAKER_02: So um so if you you sit down with your journal, that was your hachlata, you sit down with your journal and write down everything you think God is.
24:06
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
24:08
SPEAKER_01: And then take a red pen and cross it out.
24:13
SPEAKER_02: Put an X on not all those things.
24:16
SPEAKER_02: In other words, lay S Makshava Tfise Bach Klal, no thought congrasping you, and you've constructed all of these thoughts about the Abishta because you are now a religious little boy that comes from the five towns and worked his way up through Crown Heights in Brooklyn and ended up in Pomona, and you've hit the highest heights.
24:40
SPEAKER_02: You have all these assumptions.
24:44
SPEAKER_01: That's not Lais Makshabat Visa Bachlow.
24:52
SPEAKER_02: You know I've been saying to myself recently, God is not a concept.
25:07
SPEAKER_02: That goes together with get out of Hader.
25:09
SPEAKER_02: God is not a concept.
25:13
SPEAKER_02: God Himself.
25:14
SPEAKER_01: Lay S Makshavat Visa Bakhla.
25:18
SPEAKER_01: No thought can grasp in you.
25:20
SPEAKER_01: That's what a Muna is.
25:25
SPEAKER_02: Now there's examples you can give and there's different levels within the where where in me.
25:32
SPEAKER_02: So what which let's ask this.
25:34
SPEAKER_02: Which part of me is being ex is expressing this amuna in no thought can grasp?
25:45
SPEAKER_02: Is it my Seiko?
25:46
SPEAKER_02: No.
25:46
SPEAKER_02: Obviously not.
25:47
SPEAKER_02: That wouldn't make okay.
25:49
SPEAKER_02: Is it my emotions?
25:51
SPEAKER_04: I don't think so.
25:52
SPEAKER_02: Oh no, because what you can only emote about what you whatever.
25:56
SPEAKER_02: So, excuse the expression, but like, what the hell do you want from me?
26:02
SPEAKER_02: Where do you want me to grasp to?
26:06
SPEAKER_02: Maybe, maybe, maybe we can say it's you just keep on listing all those things and put a big X on them.
26:14
SPEAKER_02: Maybe.
26:15
SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
26:17
SPEAKER_02: And what are you saying?
26:19
SPEAKER_02: Because what are you going to be left with?
26:20
SPEAKER_02: You're going to be left with.
26:22
SPEAKER_02: No, no, it's not what you're going to be left with.
26:23
SPEAKER_02: I was about to say, it's not you're going to, oh, make an intellectual statement that all these things are not God and pat yourself on the back because you're so smart that you realize God's not that.
26:33
SPEAKER_02: No, the amuna is felt in the crossing it out, not in the outcome of what you're left with.
26:48
SPEAKER_01: That's focusing.
26:52
SPEAKER_02: Now, don't we learn a chosid?
26:55
SPEAKER_02: Don't we learn a chassidis all the time that uh is the Egypt, and it's a narrow place, and we know that it goes on the difference between the sacred connection between the sacred and the heart?
27:09
SPEAKER_02: There's a neck and has a narrow strait.
27:12
SPEAKER_02: It's called the Metzar from Israel.
27:15
SPEAKER_02: So, what is that grasping where no thought can grasp in you?
27:21
SPEAKER_01: How is that connected to the simple shot of your limiting stuff that you have?
27:34
SPEAKER_01: That you're limited.
27:37
SPEAKER_02: Consciousness is limited that it's not reaching your heart.
27:43
SPEAKER_02: Well, first of all, if I'm gonna have a muno, there's no consciousness, is there?
27:46
SPEAKER_02: There's no sechel.
27:48
SPEAKER_04: So why is so how do the two go together?
27:50
SPEAKER_04: Well, the the two goes together like you were describing before.
27:52
SPEAKER_04: The first part is going beyond the pa place of sechel, and then the second part is the the abdakatnas, or I forgot what the katnasnaba.
28:03
SPEAKER_04: Katnasnaba.
28:04
SPEAKER_04: So that's what it has to morph into.
28:06
SPEAKER_04: It has to it has to be an evolution within yourself that now that you're holding that space of Amuna beyond Sekel that doesn't have anything to do with Seychel, still the the progression has to be where it's now gonna start to be experience felt.
28:23
SPEAKER_02: What is whatever you're saying?
28:24
SPEAKER_02: What if we said, and this is a pattern, Chasidis.
28:28
SPEAKER_02: What if we said, just like you embrace no gvullim god, no thought can grasp in you, and you write down all the stuff you think he is, and then you cross it out.
28:42
SPEAKER_01: Let's talk about what's going on in your world right now.
28:52
SPEAKER_01: What would be um what's your biggest challenge?
29:00
SPEAKER_02: One of them, so you don't have to disclose the biggest one.
29:04
SPEAKER_04: We could we could pick anything, everything's a challenge.
29:08
SPEAKER_02: I was interviewed Friday morning for a sh I don't know what it was for at my show, and this guy asked me, What is the one mitzvah that you have the hardest time with?
29:24
SPEAKER_00: What'd you say?
29:26
SPEAKER_02: So I said to um Ahavas Yral.
29:34
SPEAKER_02: And I said, There's another one, but I'm not gonna talk about it.
29:36
SPEAKER_02: And he he closed the mic and he goes, This?
29:38
SPEAKER_02: I said, Yeah, how'd you know?
29:40
SPEAKER_02: Anyways, um, but I'm not gonna tell you what that is.
29:43
SPEAKER_02: So then he asked me, What posuk is your leading Pussuk in your life that makes you know?
29:52
SPEAKER_02: And I said, I don't go for Psukkum.
29:55
SPEAKER_02: I don't I just don't relate to Psucum in the sense that they're like like my cheerleading line or something like that.
30:02
SPEAKER_02: The idea that they convey maybe, but they all convey the same thing, anyways.
30:08
SPEAKER_02: So what are we holding here?
30:10
SPEAKER_02: Uh, what's the biggest challenge in your life?
30:12
SPEAKER_02: What's the yeah?
30:13
SPEAKER_04: So I'm saying one challenge.
30:15
SPEAKER_04: It doesn't matter.
30:16
SPEAKER_04: And I already said they're all challenges.
30:18
SPEAKER_04: You can pick anything.
30:19
SPEAKER_04: It doesn't matter.
30:20
SPEAKER_04: I'm not gonna pick your challenge for you.
30:22
SPEAKER_04: Everything is a challenge right now.
30:23
SPEAKER_04: So you I just said you could.
30:26
SPEAKER_04: Oh my god.
30:26
SPEAKER_04: Give me a scene, give me a screen business.
30:28
SPEAKER_04: Keep it easy, fine.
30:30
SPEAKER_04: Ornessa, whatever.
30:31
SPEAKER_02: Anything in particular in business?
30:34
SPEAKER_02: Without disclosing all of your private information uh that's proprietary?
30:40
SPEAKER_02: What?
30:41
SPEAKER_04: I I don't I don't know.
30:42
SPEAKER_04: Just it doesn't matter, Ruby.
30:44
SPEAKER_04: It does matter.
30:45
SPEAKER_04: Just pick something.
30:46
SPEAKER_04: Use one for you.
30:47
SPEAKER_04: You would do it for yourself, Ruby.
30:49
SPEAKER_02: You're such a what's what's one with m for me?
30:55
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
31:00
SPEAKER_01: I am you want to know my challenge, right?
31:04
SPEAKER_01: I am challenged by my desire to create artwork like film simultaneously convinced I have no right to.
31:23
SPEAKER_01: And good reason.
31:25
SPEAKER_01: Sure.
31:27
SPEAKER_01: Okay, so that's my biggest challenge.
31:29
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
31:31
SPEAKER_01: Is it insane to say Yeah, but let's see in my case.
31:44
SPEAKER_01: God could make an Oscar winning film through me.
31:50
SPEAKER_02: Is that and should I go out into the wild blue yonder with that clarity and call with my flag?
32:00
SPEAKER_04: That'd be a delug.
32:02
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, well, it may be a delug, but it may land me in the I'm I'm thinking it may land me in the local uh psych ward.
32:10
SPEAKER_02: I'm asking you, is that commensurate with is there any connection in that way of thinking and Amuna in Lays Makshavatvise Bakhclub?
32:22
SPEAKER_01: I don't see it.
32:24
SPEAKER_02: You don't see it.
32:25
SPEAKER_04: No.
32:27
SPEAKER_04: You're saying because Hashem could do anything, and so therefore you could have that thought.
32:32
SPEAKER_04: Is that your point?
32:34
SPEAKER_02: Not quite.
32:35
SPEAKER_02: You I know you knew that.
32:37
SPEAKER_02: Everybody knows God could do anything.
32:38
SPEAKER_02: Koliakali can do anything.
32:40
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
32:40
SPEAKER_02: I'm talking about your state of I'm one with this God that is und we'll call it undescribable.
32:50
SPEAKER_02: That's not the right word.
32:52
SPEAKER_02: Let's stick it to Lais Makshavan Tfis Bakl.
32:54
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
32:55
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
32:55
SPEAKER_02: What is, you said it before, what is that moment where the child says Abba is Katnista Abba, right?
33:06
SPEAKER_02: And the Mitlureb is saying that that's the idea.
33:08
SPEAKER_02: It comes from the also also the ultimate, um, obviously.
33:12
SPEAKER_02: What is that moment?
33:13
SPEAKER_02: That moment is complete reality that this is Abba with absolutely no Sekel behind it.
33:20
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
33:21
SPEAKER_02: Right?
33:22
SPEAKER_02: Except there's recognition.
33:24
SPEAKER_02: Because if you take the Mashal, he didn't know about that guy before he said Abba.
33:31
SPEAKER_02: Right?
33:31
SPEAKER_02: Didn't know it's Abba.
33:32
SPEAKER_02: Now he knows it's Abba, but he doesn't know what Abba means.
33:35
SPEAKER_02: But it's it's deep, it's real for the kid, right?
33:39
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
33:41
SPEAKER_02: So is my going forward, let's say, which is not I don't want to sound bigger than I'm not, because I don't have Oscar um objectives.
33:55
SPEAKER_02: But let's say I'm gonna go out into the wild blue wander yonder and I'm gonna create to win an Oscar.
34:04
SPEAKER_01: Is could that be fueled by no thought?
34:12
SPEAKER_01: Is that like the child who says Abba?
34:19
SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
34:23
SPEAKER_01: No?
34:24
SPEAKER_01: I don't I don't think so.
34:25
SPEAKER_04: Because I'm not I'm not sure, but I don't think so.
34:28
SPEAKER_04: You don't think so, but you Yeah, I don't I don't think so.
34:31
SPEAKER_04: What does it mean think so?
34:32
SPEAKER_01: What are you thinking about that you don't think so You're equating your desire to be a famous director with something that No, that's not w I'm not equating my desire to be a famous director.
34:59
SPEAKER_01: I'm equating the objection to being a famous director.
35:07
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
35:08
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
35:09
SPEAKER_01: We're talking about challenge.
35:10
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
35:11
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I I got I got what you're saying.
35:13
SPEAKER_02: So yeah, I don't in other words, let's go back to what we spoke about last week.
35:18
SPEAKER_02: If you feel, if you really feel capital F, E E L, right?
35:25
SPEAKER_02: If you really feel tise bachklong, I'm assuming that that's possible.
35:31
SPEAKER_02: Otherwise, what are we talking about?
35:34
SPEAKER_01: If you really feel that, are there any challenges?
35:44
SPEAKER_02: No.
35:45
SPEAKER_02: Because I'm not saying you're feeling it about I got it now.
35:48
SPEAKER_04: Yes, yes, yes.
35:50
SPEAKER_02: You're feeling it.
35:51
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
35:51
SPEAKER_02: So therefore remember the example that Mitlareba says, which is the Hagdama in the same mimer.
35:57
SPEAKER_02: The hugdhamma is I'm looking for my king that my father that I can't find.
36:02
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
36:02
SPEAKER_02: Don't give up because the minute you give up, you're not giving up on him.
36:07
SPEAKER_02: You're giving up on your ability to give him pleasure for you looking for him.
36:11
SPEAKER_04: Uh-huh.
36:12
SPEAKER_04: So you're you're taking away, I get it now.
36:15
SPEAKER_04: Okay.
36:15
SPEAKER_04: Yes.
36:15
SPEAKER_04: You're putting yourself in a state of a Muna.
36:20
SPEAKER_02: Uh-huh.
36:21
SPEAKER_02: So in that case, not a Muna in, by the way, not a Muna in end result.
36:25
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
36:25
SPEAKER_02: Not an Amuna is I'm gonna create a film.
36:27
SPEAKER_02: But that you can't do it.
36:27
SPEAKER_02: Not a Muna is I'm gonna make money and there's gonna be pot at the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow.
36:33
SPEAKER_02: It's a state.
36:34
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
36:37
SPEAKER_01: We don't think like that.
36:42
SPEAKER_02: Of an idea of state of being, state of you know, one of the things I was thinking about last week was, is depression an emotion?
36:50
SPEAKER_02: No.
36:51
SPEAKER_02: Then what is it?
36:52
SPEAKER_02: It's a state.
36:52
SPEAKER_02: It's a state.
36:53
SPEAKER_02: And what does that mean?
36:54
SPEAKER_02: Because we never hear this term state.
36:56
SPEAKER_02: If a person sees the cup as half full versus the other guy who sees it as half empty, is that emotional, intellectual, or a state?
37:05
SPEAKER_02: It's a state.
37:07
SPEAKER_02: I mean it's intellectual also, I think to a degree, but it's a state.
37:11
SPEAKER_02: A state of state.
37:14
SPEAKER_02: What state am I?
37:15
SPEAKER_04: Positiveness?
37:16
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, positivity, outlook, um, experience of of potential, yeah.
37:23
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
37:24
SPEAKER_02: So now let's change the question a little bit.
37:29
SPEAKER_02: What state do you want to jump into?
37:39
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
37:40
SPEAKER_01: I have to think about that now.
37:42
SPEAKER_02: Because we were learning this in the I think we brought it up last time we were for bringing that to go from point A to point B is he stausless.
37:53
SPEAKER_02: That's a chain of events, one thing leads to another, you have a certain beginning and you get to the end.
37:58
SPEAKER_02: And maybe there's a hundred steps in between.
38:02
SPEAKER_02: What creates the line of A to B, the hundred steps, is your state.
38:11
SPEAKER_01: Right?
38:14
SPEAKER_02: And the morale of Prague, I don't know if we we spoke about last week.
38:18
SPEAKER_02: The morale of Prague says that the khiddish of Yetsiasmas, the story, Bil Sapir bi Yetzir's Mithraim.
38:23
SPEAKER_02: We have a mitzvah to tell over the story of Yetzismasraim.
38:26
SPEAKER_02: The moral of Prague says, an incredible idea for those people who know where this lot of talk about state is, state change in today's world.
38:37
SPEAKER_02: He says, there are a lot of miracles that took place for Jews, but there's no mitzvah to talk about them, except for Yisapr Bis mitraim.
38:51
SPEAKER_02: So it must be that it's not about the miracles that we're really telling, fulfilling that mitzvah, because otherwise we'd have the mitzvah all over the place.
38:59
SPEAKER_02: So what is the mitzvah?
39:01
SPEAKER_02: Yesaphries mitzra'im?
39:03
SPEAKER_02: They were able to change their state from slavery to freedom.
39:11
SPEAKER_02: It's not the process that you're celebrating.
39:15
SPEAKER_02: You're celebrating the change of state.
39:18
SPEAKER_02: Right?
39:18
SPEAKER_02: And it's interesting because the morale of Prague on the Agada asked a very pathula kyshana right at the beginning.
39:23
SPEAKER_02: How could you celebrate being free?
39:25
SPEAKER_02: Now think about the Morale of Prague, and I don't know what year it was, 1500s, 1600s, when he had to create a golem because there was blood libels, like they're saying now all over the internet, right?
39:37
SPEAKER_02: And living in that kind of a situation, they had no money, they were prosecuted, persecuted, they were saying Jews were putting Christian blood in mutzes and they had to worry walking out down the street, and we're gonna celebrate freedom.
39:49
SPEAKER_02: How is that possible?
39:50
SPEAKER_02: Where is there's a clash here of reality?
39:53
SPEAKER_02: And the guy who's uh I don't know, he comes to the Seder and he can't have four cups of wine because he's an alcoholic.
40:01
SPEAKER_02: He's gonna celebrate you'd see us mithrine.
40:03
SPEAKER_02: What's the celebration?
40:04
SPEAKER_02: And the Moralaprague says, You think like a free man.
40:12
SPEAKER_02: You're right, the environment doesn't add up.
40:14
SPEAKER_02: Wow.
40:15
SPEAKER_02: But that's irrelevant.
40:16
SPEAKER_02: Wow.
40:16
SPEAKER_02: It's you are internally never going to be a slave anymore.
40:22
SPEAKER_02: That, my darling, is the jump.
40:28
SPEAKER_02: So what are oh yeah, you think you're getting away with just that?
40:33
SPEAKER_02: You have to think about what not what am I limited in Oh, I don't do this, I don't do that.
40:44
SPEAKER_02: That's how we all think, right?
40:46
SPEAKER_02: What's my state that creates those limits?
40:56
SPEAKER_01: Right?
40:59
SPEAKER_02: And maybe that's next to your list with the big X.
41:05
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
41:07
SPEAKER_02: You want to work on it for the next week in your journal?
41:11
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
41:12
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
41:13
SPEAKER_02: And I'll do the same thing.