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OneLegUpAlex Adapts With 'Keep Chewing the Granite!' Author Bernard 'Chalky' White - Powered By Podmatch (Recorded 10-27-25) · OneLegUpAlex Media

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  Speaker 1: Here's your host, Alex Garrett. All right, and with me
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  Speaker 1: today on One Leg Up with Alex Garrett is Bernard
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  Speaker 1: Chalky White, powered by Podmatch.
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  Speaker 2: Bernard Chalky.
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  Speaker 1: I'm so honored that you reach out to us through
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  Speaker 1: Podmatch and here we are doing our interview today.
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  Speaker 3: Honored that you'd have me on, Alex. Thank you very much, indeed,
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  Speaker 3: appreciate it.
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  Speaker 1: So tell us your story because you have this new
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  Speaker 1: book out. Actually keep chewing the granite and that's pounding
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  Speaker 1: the payment, right, We got to keep punting the payment
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  Speaker 1: in life and always adapting is what I got from
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  Speaker 1: that title.
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  Speaker 4: That's right.
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  Speaker 3: Well, basically, yeah, it means never stop doing the tough stuff.
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  Speaker 3: You know, even when it's really really hard. If, for example,
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  Speaker 3: you want to fulfill a dream and it's a feasible
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  Speaker 3: dream to be able to fulfill, you've got to follow
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  Speaker 3: through and follow through until you can't follow through anymore
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  Speaker 3: and it's just not feasible anymore.
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  Speaker 4: That's for you.
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  Speaker 3: That's been my philosophy on life for a very long time.
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  Speaker 4: Now.
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  Speaker 1: You were also but I'm not mistaken, he said you
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  Speaker 1: were in the police world of London, right to talk
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  Speaker 1: about all of that experience.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I was a policeman.
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  Speaker 3: I joined the police Cadets when I was sixteen years old.
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  Speaker 3: And the reason, big reason I went into that was
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  Speaker 3: because I had a very terrible relationship with my father.
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  Speaker 3: He was a very violent man, not only to me
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  Speaker 3: but also to my mother. I could forgive him for
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  Speaker 3: what he used to do to me. He used to
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  Speaker 3: beat me all the time, but he also used to
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  Speaker 3: beat my mother, so that.
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  Speaker 4: That was a part of it.
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  Speaker 3: I could never get around with him. So when I
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  Speaker 3: was sixteen, or when I was thirteen, let's just go
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  Speaker 3: back to just slightly. When I was thirteen, because he
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  Speaker 3: wanted me to be this great scholar and every time
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  Speaker 3: I would take a school report home, which would be
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  Speaker 3: three times a year, once every semester, they were never
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  Speaker 3: good enough for him, so he would he would beat
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  Speaker 3: me every single time. I got to thirteen, and I said, well,
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  Speaker 3: what's the point in working because he's going to.
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  Speaker 4: Beat me anyway, so why bother?
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  Speaker 3: So I went on strike when I was thirteen at
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  Speaker 3: school and subsequently I passed at zero, I mean a
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  Speaker 3: total duckhead of school exams when I was sixteen, and
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  Speaker 3: my father said, well, what are you going to do now?
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  Speaker 3: And I'm sixteen, I just sort of strugg my shoulders
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  Speaker 3: and actually, you know, it was his idea that I
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  Speaker 3: try and join the police Cadets, which you could do
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  Speaker 3: at the age of sixteen, and so I managed to
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  Speaker 3: join the Kent Police Cadets, which is the county just south.
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  Speaker 4: Of London in England.
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  Speaker 3: And so I was in that for a couple of
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  Speaker 3: years and then I joined the Kent Police proper. I
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  Speaker 3: became a police constable and I was with that in
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  Speaker 3: that force for three years.
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  Speaker 4: But it was a pretty it was a pretty active
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  Speaker 4: three years, you might say.
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  Speaker 3: I was involved in a very very bad murder case
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  Speaker 3: where I was the first police officer on the scene
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  Speaker 3: of a murder where a young girl was disemboweled. But
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  Speaker 3: at the same time when I was in that, in
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  Speaker 3: that job, I also was very much helped to save
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  Speaker 3: the life of a newborn baby that's still having some
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  Speaker 3: biblical card and placenta attached. So that was that was
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  Speaker 3: my basically my police career in Kent. But then you know,
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  Speaker 3: I was from London. I wanted to go back to London,
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  Speaker 3: so I transferred. I managed to transfer to the London
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  Speaker 3: Metropolitan Police and I was in that for nine years.
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  Speaker 3: And but while I was in it, I procrastinated and
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  Speaker 3: procrastinated and procrastinating, knowing that I wanted to get out.
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  Speaker 3: I always wanted to get it. I knew that being
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  Speaker 3: a policeman all my life wasn't going to be for me.
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  Speaker 1: I know that, I know that the story of the
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  Speaker 1: baby in the medical cord sort of struck a nerve
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  Speaker 1: with you.
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  Speaker 2: Do you want to share more? Is that in your
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  Speaker 2: book as well?
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  Speaker 4: That story? Sure, if you'd like me to do, I'll
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  Speaker 4: tell that story.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, please do for our listeners.
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  Speaker 3: So I was I was on duty one night shift,
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  Speaker 3: and I was the I was on on an emergency
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  Speaker 3: car and I was the radio operator, and I had
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  Speaker 3: the driver, said, and the two of us in the car,
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  Speaker 3: and this call comes over the radio, which was sounds
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  Speaker 3: of a dying cat. That was the call that came out,
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  Speaker 3: sounds of a dying cat. We weren't really obliged to
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  Speaker 3: even take that, because you know, cats were not a
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  Speaker 3: police responsibility at all, but we decided, okay, let's go
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  Speaker 3: and see what this is. So we just we quietly
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  Speaker 3: sort of mod it out there in the car and
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  Speaker 3: no no speed at all, you know, and we got
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  Speaker 3: there and we have to go. We get to these
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  Speaker 3: these row, this row of houses, and we had we
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  Speaker 3: had to go through the house all the way through
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  Speaker 3: to the back garden where there are a bunch of bushes.
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  Speaker 3: And the man that was there owned the house. He said,
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  Speaker 3: under there, he said, it's a Siamese cat. So I
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  Speaker 3: go under there and all I've got. All I had
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  Speaker 3: was my was a little flashlight or torch as we
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  Speaker 3: call it in England, and I shone it around and
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  Speaker 3: didn't hear anything, didn't see anything.
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  Speaker 4: I came out and said, I don't see anything at
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  Speaker 4: the moment.
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  Speaker 3: Anyway, in the meantime, my colleague, the driver of the car,
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  Speaker 3: came out there with a big, big seek and search
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  Speaker 3: flashlight which were very bright, and I got under there again.
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  Speaker 4: I flashed and I went.
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  Speaker 3: Hospital, it's not a cat, it's a newborn baby.
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  Speaker 4: And I grabbed a.
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  Speaker 3: Baby and we ran back through the house and we
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  Speaker 3: jumped into the car and my colleague took took the car,
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  Speaker 3: took the baby from me.
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  Speaker 4: I can see you now by the way I took it.
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  Speaker 3: He took the baby from when we wrapped it in
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  Speaker 3: one of one of our tunics, one of our jackets,
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  Speaker 3: and I drove, and I drove as fast as fast
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  Speaker 3: as I could go to some barslors in his hospital
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  Speaker 3: in Rochester and ken and they got the baby there
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  Speaker 3: and they said the baby has exposure already. And this
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  Speaker 3: was the middle of August. It was a hot night
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  Speaker 3: for England, probably eighty degrees bahrenheight something like that. And
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  Speaker 3: basically they said, if you'd have been another hour later,
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  Speaker 3: the baby would probably have died. Anyway, you're probably wondering what's.
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  Speaker 4: Behind that story.
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  Speaker 3: Well, the next morning, by about five five thirty in
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  Speaker 3: the morning, we started getting light because it was still summer.
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  Speaker 3: The detectives went out there to the house and what
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  Speaker 3: they found was from the bushes where I found the baby,
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  Speaker 3: there was a trail of blood went all the way
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  Speaker 3: down down to the bottom of the garden, down an
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  Speaker 3: alleyway and around the side of all the houses and
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  Speaker 3: up the street and then up a garden path to
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  Speaker 3: a front door. And they banged on the door and
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  Speaker 3: a man came to the door and they said, what
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  Speaker 3: do you know about that blood that's going up your staircase?
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  Speaker 4: And the guy said, oh, he couldn't believe.
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  Speaker 3: They go up the stairs and they go into your
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  Speaker 3: bedroom and there's this man's fourteen year old daughter that
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  Speaker 3: had given birth on her own to the baby. And
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  Speaker 3: the parents' explanation was that they just thought I just
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  Speaker 3: thought she put on a little weight. I think that
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  Speaker 3: might have been a little more than putting on weight.
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  Speaker 4: But of course she never ever got the baby back.
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  Speaker 3: The mother of the child and also the father also
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  Speaker 3: got arrested for having unlawful sexual intercourse with a juvenile.
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  Speaker 4: And as far as I know, the baby lived in it.
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  Speaker 3: If it had that baby lived, it would have been
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  Speaker 3: almost sixty years old. Now that was nineteen sixty seven
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  Speaker 3: when that happened, August nineteen sixty seven. And there's probably
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  Speaker 3: that was probably the greatest thing that ever happened to
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  Speaker 3: me in my police career. There can be really nothing
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  Speaker 3: better than saving the life of another, especially a very
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  Speaker 3: young child.
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  Speaker 1: And I know you didn't do it for this, but
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  Speaker 1: I had sort of a friend, a family friend, to
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  Speaker 1: have that where his son did the sort of same
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  Speaker 1: thing in the police role. He actually helped birth the
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  Speaker 1: baby in Suffolk County and it became news. Did London
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  Speaker 1: News pick up on this at all?
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  Speaker 2: For you or where there.
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  Speaker 4: Were in London? We went in London.
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  Speaker 3: Of course, we were about thirty miles south of London,
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  Speaker 3: but it probably just about made the local papers.
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  Speaker 4: And I don't quite know.
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  Speaker 3: I can't remember now what actually happened to the mother,
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  Speaker 3: you know, the natural mother and father. But the child
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  Speaker 3: would have been adopted by somebody for sure, And like
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  Speaker 3: I said, she would have been nearly getting on for
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  Speaker 3: sixty years old now if she, if she's still alive, Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Wow, well could have you know? Amazing and God bless
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  Speaker 1: you for saving that baby. That's amazing now.
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  Speaker 2: You know. I kind of set off air.
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  Speaker 1: Is that you climbing the mountain on the cover of
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  Speaker 1: the book, And he said, no, But I'm curious, do
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  Speaker 1: you do adventures stuff like that?
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  Speaker 3: No, I've done lots and lots of stuff like that
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  Speaker 3: for sure, Yeah, lots and lots. I even I don't
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  Speaker 3: know if you read in the book at all, if
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  Speaker 3: you've had a chance to read any of it, that
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  Speaker 3: I actually skied on public roads no snow between John
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  Speaker 3: of Groats, which is the Furthest north point of Scotland
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  Speaker 3: to the to the southwest point of England, the two
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  Speaker 3: Furthest points apart. I did it, did it on a
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  Speaker 3: pair of summer training roller skis.
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  Speaker 4: And that took me.
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  Speaker 3: I did it for a spinal injuries charity, because a
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  Speaker 3: couple of years before I'd nearly broken my own neck
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  Speaker 3: skiing after I did an inadvertent backflip.
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  Speaker 4: When I when I was when I was skiing with
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  Speaker 4: a class.
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  Speaker 3: Would you believe saying, you know, this is famous last words,
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  Speaker 3: this is how you do it. And of course I
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  Speaker 3: got it completely wrong, and so I skied all that way.
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  Speaker 4: It took me, took me.
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  Speaker 3: That was a thirty eight thirty eight day trip do
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  Speaker 3: reaging thirty miles every day, and as far as I know,
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  Speaker 3: doing that journey by that mode of transport, I still
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  Speaker 3: believe I remained the only one ever to do that.
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  Speaker 2: Congratulations on that. Now, there are a few of the
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  Speaker 2: things that you want to talk about today on the.
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  Speaker 1: Show, So so talk about more of your experiences and
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  Speaker 1: what people can expect when they read your book.
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  Speaker 4: Well, there's all kinds of stories in the book.
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  Speaker 3: I've just told you one of them there about the
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  Speaker 3: newborn baby. But you know there's there's some there's some
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  Speaker 3: amusing stuff as well. I might tell you sort of
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  Speaker 3: one very short amusing one if you'd like me to
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  Speaker 3: would you like me to do that?
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  Speaker 2: Truly, I'd love to hear more from from your stories here.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, Well, when I when I became a ski instructor, which,
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  Speaker 3: by the way, that was you talk about, you know,
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  Speaker 3: one leg up.
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  Speaker 4: The thing that actually gave me one leg.
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  Speaker 3: Up to to to really to to achieve anything I've
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  Speaker 3: really of any note I've really achieved in my life.
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  Speaker 3: The thing that gave me the biggest leg up was
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  Speaker 3: the two questions that you know keep you in the ground,
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  Speaker 3: in other words, don't give up on the on the
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  Speaker 3: tough stuff. And to help you to stop you from
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  Speaker 3: giving up on this tough stuff, are the two questions?
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  Speaker 3: Ones a negative question or what a negative what if question?
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  Speaker 3: And the other ones a negative sorry, a positive what
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  Speaker 3: if question? But the big secret of that is when
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  Speaker 3: you ask the negative, you tend to get terrible answers
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  Speaker 3: and a major answer you often get when you say,
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  Speaker 3: what if I don't do this?
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  Speaker 4: What if I don't do this?
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  Speaker 3: And if I don't if I don't, for example, go
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  Speaker 3: and try to become my biggest dream. We're trying to
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  Speaker 3: become a ski instructor. What will be the repercussions of that?
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  Speaker 3: For me, Well, the biggest repercussion might be.
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  Speaker 1: And then we all walk around wondering what if right,
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  Speaker 1: and you're saying, well, just do the damn thing.
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  Speaker 4: Well, yeah, but it's.
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  Speaker 3: But the big answer you get is what if I
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  Speaker 3: don't is regret. You say, if I don't, I'll probably
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  Speaker 3: regret it for the rest of my life. But what
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  Speaker 3: you get is you get bad emotions from asking that question, right,
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  Speaker 3: so regrets not a chairly nice emotion. But then if
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  Speaker 3: you follow it up with but what if I do
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  Speaker 3: go and do it and try and become a skin
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  Speaker 3: and structure. And I do become a skin and structure,
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  Speaker 3: well I might be able to travel the world work
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  Speaker 3: in all kinds of different countries. I might even be
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  Speaker 3: able to go and work in the United States, which
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  Speaker 3: I did for twenty five years.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: So, and you tend to love the answers that you
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  Speaker 3: get because you get that big emotion change from that
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  Speaker 3: nasty regret kind of emotion to very positive emotions. Well,
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  Speaker 3: after me a very first time I asked those questions
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  Speaker 3: when I was twenty six. The very next day I
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  Speaker 3: resigned from the police force. And we're talking about something
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  Speaker 3: that I've been procrastinating in that job the year on
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  Speaker 3: a year on you if you count the Cadets ship
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  Speaker 3: for for eleven years I procrastinated. Yeah. But before that,
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  Speaker 3: what happened was I was asked perhaps the one most
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  Speaker 3: important question in my life, which really did change my life.
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  Speaker 3: Before I ever asked any what if questions. That was
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  Speaker 3: a friend of mine came to me and he said, hey, Chokie,
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  Speaker 3: you want to go on a ski trip. Well, I've
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  Speaker 3: been on a ski trip basically ever since. And that
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  Speaker 3: was what very first got me into skiing, and you know,
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  Speaker 3: gave me this massive dream of wanting to get out
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  Speaker 3: of the police and follow through, keep following through, following through.
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  Speaker 3: But that was all very difficult by the way, me
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  Speaker 3: getting me sort of getting out of the police force
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  Speaker 3: and then trying to pass all the skiing structure's exams.
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  Speaker 3: There are three levels of ski instructor, the top one
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  Speaker 3: being full certification. That was that was my big, big goal,
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  Speaker 3: my big dream, and what I did. What It took
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  Speaker 3: me eight attempts, eight attempts to pass three exams, and
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  Speaker 3: I was even told after the third time that I
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  Speaker 3: failed the British Ski All Certification exam. I was even
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  Speaker 3: he was even said about me, Chalky White will never
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  Speaker 3: be fully certified because he's the wrong body shape. That's
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  Speaker 3: a bit like someone saying to you, you, Alex, that
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  Speaker 3: because you've only got one leg, you won't be.
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  Speaker 4: Able to ski.
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  Speaker 3: And I know, and I think you probably know too,
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  Speaker 3: that's not true because you can roll. If you can
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  Speaker 3: roll a blade on one ski, you can certainly snow
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  Speaker 3: ski on one ski.
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  Speaker 2: So it's amazing.
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  Speaker 1: I just met a paralympian who's also a Paralympic skier,
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  Speaker 1: and I met him yesterday and he also rolls on
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  Speaker 1: one leg, So yes, we can do it. And I've
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  Speaker 1: been asked a lot about ever do adaptive skiing. Now
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  Speaker 1: you got me thinking about it.
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  Speaker 3: Well, ifever you want a ski structure to give you
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  Speaker 3: some lessons that you know I can elg you to
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  Speaker 3: do that.
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  Speaker 2: I would love that.
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  Speaker 4: Now.
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  Speaker 1: I understand you moved away from London and you know
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  Speaker 1: you're just undersclosed location.
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  Speaker 2: But why did you leave London? Do you miss do
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  Speaker 2: you miss it?
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  Speaker 4: Oh?
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  Speaker 3: No, I've never I've never I've never felt like I've
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  Speaker 3: been a big city guy at all. I always preferred
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  Speaker 3: we're living in the country. Part of the reason for
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  Speaker 3: that was my grandmother on my on my mother's side
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  Speaker 3: was from the countryside, and I always love being there.
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  Speaker 3: I love being out in the open, and so I
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  Speaker 3: didn't really love being in a city at all. So no,
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  Speaker 3: I've never really missed it. The places I still love
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  Speaker 3: to live mostly are are ski resorts.
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  Speaker 4: I still love to live in ski resorts. You know,
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  Speaker 4: I love I love the mountains, I don't. I love
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  Speaker 4: the snow and ice. I love the summers.
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  Speaker 3: Always love the summers in ski resorts because the weather
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  Speaker 3: all seems to be fantastic, you know. Anyway, I was
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  Speaker 3: going to tell you one more little story I think
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  Speaker 3: from from.
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  Speaker 4: The book, because not only there are there kind of sad.
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  Speaker 3: Stories in the book about you know, some of my
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  Speaker 3: my upbringing course was pretty sad, and you know, some
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  Speaker 3: of the tragic things I dealt with and good things
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  Speaker 3: I dealt when I was a policeman, but there were
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  Speaker 3: funny things as well.
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  Speaker 4: So anyway, this story, this story.
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  Speaker 3: Is in the book. I won't tell you the title.
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  Speaker 3: Well I can tell you the title of it now.
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  Speaker 3: Actually it's called a Demure Lady. So anyway, I was.
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  Speaker 3: I was in Beaver Creek in Colorado, next door to
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  Speaker 3: Vale and I was a skin instructor there and I
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  Speaker 3: was allocated one private lady client and she was She
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  Speaker 3: was an intermediate so we could we could skier a
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  Speaker 3: lot of the lot of the hills, a lot of
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  Speaker 3: the terrain. And the two of us got on to
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  Speaker 3: a chairlift, and it was a four person chairlift, and
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  Speaker 3: she sat at one end and I sat on the other,
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  Speaker 3: and I introduced myself and started to ask her questions
• 17:01
  Speaker 3: about her some you know, about her family and where
• 17:03
  Speaker 3: she was from and all this kind of stuff. And
• 17:05
  Speaker 3: then I started to ask, you know, what do you
• 17:08
  Speaker 3: want from this lesson? How do you think I can
• 17:11
  Speaker 3: help you? But the problem was all I got from
• 17:14
  Speaker 3: this lady were.
• 17:16
  Speaker 4: Yes, no, yes, no, yes no.
• 17:20
  Speaker 3: She would never expand on anything after i'd ask her
• 17:23
  Speaker 3: a question. Right, So anyway, I left it alone for
• 17:26
  Speaker 3: a while and I shut up, and we carried on
• 17:29
  Speaker 3: going up the chair and we get about three quarters
• 17:31
  Speaker 3: of the way to the top of the chairlift when
• 17:34
  Speaker 3: I inadvertently passed wind. In other words, I farted. So anyway,
• 17:42
  Speaker 3: we carry on to the top of the hill and
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: we get off at the top and we're standing there
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: getting ready to go and making sure all our clothes
• 17:50
  Speaker 3: in the right place, and we've got helmets on the right,
• 17:52
  Speaker 3: plate on our heads properly, and making sure we got
• 17:55
  Speaker 3: wristbands on. When all of a sudden, this lady out
• 17:58
  Speaker 3: of the blue blurts out, do they keep farm animals
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: up here?
• 18:04
  Speaker 4: Chucky?
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: I love your storytelling. That's why we have you now
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: chewing the granite? Why choose that as the title of
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: your book?
• 18:12
  Speaker 3: That inspiration was from one of the times when I
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: was still failing my ski instructors exams and I was
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: up in Scotland on a skiing structure of courses because
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: there was skiing in Scotland, and I was out with
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: my ski trainer, a man who became I became friends
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: with later on called Jimmy Smith, and Jimmy hadds going
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: up and down this lift, this ski lift where you're
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: on your feet and you were dragged up by the
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: lift right. But his orders were okay, lads, he said,
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: one ski off, So we took took a ski off.
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: We took a ski off, and the idea was to
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: keep skiing out, skiing down on one ski and I'd
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: never done this before and for me it was kind
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: of I'm trying to make ski turns, and it was
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: kind of one ski, one turn, splash in the wet snow,
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: maybe two turns splat in the wet.
• 19:04
  Speaker 4: Snow, and so on and so on so forth. Anyway,
• 19:07
  Speaker 4: one go down.
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: I pretty much literally fell at my train at Jimmy
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: Smith's feet, and in his Scottish accent, he looked down
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: at me and he said, are you all right?
• 19:19
  Speaker 4: Chyawkey?
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: I said, I think so, Jimmy, and he said, keep
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: curing the granite, laddie. In other words, don't stop doing
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: the tough stuff and in the wind. The inimital words
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: of Winston Church, who just basically you keep you in
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: the granite means never never, never give in, and I'm
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: sure you can relate to that yourself. I've lived by
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: that mantra ever since. Keep chewing the granite, all right.
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: Now, you mentioned the ski instructing happened after you resigned
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: from the police department. However, tell us the steps, like
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: how did you get to become a ski instructor following
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: your time dedication really to the County of Kent and
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: the police department there.
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: So, after I resigned from the police, after I'd ask
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: him the questions. I resigned the very next day. As
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: I explained, I went off back down to a place
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: where I'd been a few months before, playing a little
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: country in the Pyrenees Mountains just north of Barcelona in Spain,
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: a little country may have heard of called Andra, And
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: there is where I basically became what he's known in
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: common parlance in the ski industry as a ski bun.
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: And I worked in a restaurant there for a whole
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: season and started to try and learn to ski much
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: better because I'd never full on a pair of skis
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: until I was twenty six years old. Will most people
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: that want to be your ski instructors start as little kids,
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: And there's me trying to start when I'm well and
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: truly an adult at twenty six.
• 20:58
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: So, and while I was yeah, I very stupidly probably
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: said shouted out in front of a bunch of ski instructors,
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: I'm going to try and become a ski instructor.
• 21:09
  Speaker 4: And one of these.
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: Pretty cynical Naysaya ski instructors said, Chalky, you'll never be
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: a skiing structor as long as you've got a whole
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: weather sun doesn't shine.
• 21:21
  Speaker 4: Well.
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: When somebody said something like that, to me, that means
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: I'm not going to stop.
• 21:26
  Speaker 4: I am going to keep going.
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: I'm not going to just when naysay say stuff to me,
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: it always me to me that means keep going, Chalky,
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: don't quit.
• 21:36
  Speaker 4: You're going to show this guy you can really do this.
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: And so anyway, the next after that season, I because
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: because one of my big ambitions was to travel, so
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: I did. I traveled down to Greece after that that
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: ski season. This is now just nineteen seventy six. Because
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: I don't know if you realize I'm now seventy eight
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: years old, right, I go down to I go down
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: to Greece and I became a beach bum. I got
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: a job, and my job was digging holes for beach umbrothers.
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: That's what I did all summer. And of course at
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: the end of that I didn't get paid much for that.
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: So at the end of the end of that, I
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: was pretty broke. So and with another guy, even though
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: I had a bus ticket, I decided to hitch hip
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: back with another guy all the way from is about
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: two thousand miles back from Greece back to England and
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: through the old Communist Hyugoslavia and We're in the back
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: of a truck him and this guy for about forty.
• 22:38
  Speaker 4: Hours and we got out in Nuremberg in Germany.
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: Eventually, though, we get to England and I needed a job.
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: I desperately needed a job. This would have been August
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: of nineteen seventy six. So I start looking in the
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: new local newspaper, the old English Evening Standard newspaper in London.
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: Of course, this is way way before the Internet ever existed.
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: And as I said, I was looking for a job
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: overseas somewhere, and suddenly I see this job and it
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: was at the ad read supplying educational materials to the
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: United States military in West Germany, as it was still
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: back then. So I went to the interview. I get
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: to the interview up in the middle of London at
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: the Russell Hotel, and I walk into this room and
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: there must have been one hundred people in there. When
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: a guy comes out onto the stage and he's holding
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: up big, great, big broadsheets with all kinds of writing
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: and pictures on when suddenly it's like rats leaving a
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: sinking ship. People were pretty much literally running for the
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: doors because what they realized was that the job was
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: a very despised job back then, which was Encyclopedia's door.
• 24:02
  Speaker 4: To door, a door to door salesman selling encyclopedias.
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: So I went, even though after I went home and
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: told my biggest nay Sara in my life, my father,
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: that I was going to do this, and he said,
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: are you crazy? Nobody ever makes any money doing that.
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: But I went anyway. So I get to this hotel
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: in West Germany and the guy that had interviewed us
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: was there, and true to his promise, he gave us
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: all our money back for all our travel and everything
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: else that had cost us to get there. And then
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: we're into four days of training. Well, out of one
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: hundred people that started at the interview, there's now only
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: four of us, and by the time we're two days
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: into the training, there's now only two of us. And
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: so he finished the training and then we get sent
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: out onto The other guy got sent out onto a team.
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: I get sent out onto a team, and by the
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: time I was put out into my first dark, cold
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: village to try and sell these things, I heard that
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: the other guy had also quit. So now of the
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: hundred that started, there's just a little old me. I
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: was the only one left anyway, they put me into
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: this dark, cold German village, and the only German they
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: taught us was to be actually out of asked German
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: people was vo volandi a medic carnegier familiar bits of
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: which which basically means where do the American families live?
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: And so I actually used this a couple of times
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: and somebody said, well up in German, I can't.
• 25:44
  Speaker 4: I can't remember what it was now.
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: Anyway, He's directed me to this house. And I was
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: at this house where that I knew probably American family lived,
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: and I sat on the ground outside looking at the door, wondering,
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: am I.
• 26:02
  Speaker 4: Really going to do this? Am I really going to
• 26:04
  Speaker 4: do this?
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: And I felt like just me getting up, just like
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: the other nineteen nine quittin and going home.
• 26:11
  Speaker 4: But then I asked myself, what if I don't?
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: What if I don't go and knock on that door
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: and keep on knocking on other doors? What will be
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: the consequences the repercussions of that for me? And the
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: big answer I got was, well, I'll have to go
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: back and tell the biggest naysayer in my life, my father,
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: that I failed. Well guess what I was up on
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: my feet and when I'm banged on that door. I
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: banged on the door and a young young American gi
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: and young American soldier came to the door and he
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: says to an American action, Yeah, what do you need?
• 26:52
  Speaker 4: So I use my doors?
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: I'm back now. Can you hear me talking?
• 27:01
  Speaker 4: You can hear you? Weren't you there? Yeah?
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: I'm right here. No, I and this has been recording,
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: so I have everything you've been saying, so we'll be good.
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: I have a have another question because we do have
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: a New York link to all of this, because I
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: see that you were an instructor for Howard Lutnik, who
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: wrote the forward.
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: To your book. What was that connection like?
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: And obviously Carter Fitzgerald was devastated during nine to eleven,
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: So did you help him through how what was your
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: connection like and how did you help him through all
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: of that devastation?
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: Well he I don't know if you know, but he
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: was a chairman and CEO of Canter Fitshgerald at that time. Yeah,
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: and now you probably know that he's now the Commerce
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: Secretary in the Trump administration.
• 27:46
  Speaker 4: Did you know that? Did you know?
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: Why? Did you how did he write the forward for
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: your book?
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: Well, what happened was I was, as I said, I
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: was a scared structure in Beaver Creek. And this is
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: pushing twenty years ago now, probably eighteen years ago, something
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: like that. And I was out teaching a client when
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: I get a call, a telephone call from the ski
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: school and they said, we've got this man who has
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: already fired two ski instructors. Would you mind teaching him?
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: I said no, I said, I'll give it a go.
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: And so the next morning I go over to the
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: rich Carton Hotel, which is another part of Beaver Creek,
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: and I'm waiting for this man to come out, and anyway,
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: he comes out, and he was late, and he looked
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: like an Italian mafioso, is all dressed in black with slick, black,
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: black greased hair. And before I could open my mouth,
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: he said to me, do you know who I am?
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: I said, howld Lutnick? He said no, no, He said,
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: have you tried going on to Google and looking up
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: who I am? I said, well, actually, I tend to
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: meet I tend to find out much more about people
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: when I meet them face to face. And then I
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: just shut up, and we forever really got on very
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: really well and he became my skiing structure, and I
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: would ski with him a weeky year for twelve years.
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: We even went to Saint Marit's in Switzerland with him.
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: You know, he paid all those expenses for us to
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: go over there. So yeah, he was a long time
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: client of mine.
• 29:35
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: And one day, one day to another part of the
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: connection was he and I are going up the chairlift,
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: and of course it was just he and I, so
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: there's lots and lots of chairlift time going up the hills.
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: So we had to talk about something. I said to
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: him one day, Hey, Howard, I said, you don't like
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: ski instructures very much, do you? He said, no, not really.
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: I said, I said why is that? He said, because
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: they don't teach me much. I said, well, was that
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: the case with me as well? He said, well, actually
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: you talk me more in a few hours, and the
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: rest of them put together, Well, then I knew I
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: was kind of in and that was and that was
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: that for the next next twelve years. And then then
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: I asked him if he would write the foreword for
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: my book, and he happily he agreed.
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: That's very No, that's such an interesting story, and I've
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: to ask you this about because we're now five years
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: after after the pandemic, But what was heing like during
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: the pandemic time? I mean, were you still doing it?
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: Was there a way to do skiing? I mean, what
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: was that process like?
• 30:41
  Speaker 4: Well?
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: I was because I don't know if you realize, but
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: I'm in Mexico. I live in Mexico now. I live
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: on the Mexican Caribbean. As as I'm talking to you,
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: I'm probably about one hundred yards from from the Caribbean
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: sea place called where to Avon Tourist, which is south
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: of Cancun. So when the pandemic started, I was actually here.
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: And what happened was I was supposed to be going
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: back to to to do some teaching at the Beaver
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: Creek Ski School. But you had to have you had
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: to have a shot against against COVID, right, So I
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: go and get the very the first shot for a
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: COVID injection, and I had a really really bad, bad
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: reaction to it, really bad. So I decided I wasn't
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: going to get the second one. Because I didn't get
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: the second one, they wouldn't they wouldn't employ me at
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: the ski school anymore. But I'd already I'd already done
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: twenty five years. So they then basically retired me, and
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: they gave me then gave me a ski pass for
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: the rest of my life, which I suppose is not
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: that much when you when you're already I was already
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: like seventy six years old, you know, but I appreciate it.
• 32:00
  Speaker 4: So now I can go skip for free.
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: I was going to say, so, what made you write
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: the memoir now? Like, why now to write this book?
• 32:08
  Speaker 3: Well, I feel like, I mean, there's many many stories
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: I could tell you from that book, but I really
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: feel like because because I've got many, many stories, and
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: there very lots of them, are very diverse stories, you know.
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: So as I said, some of them are humorous, some
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: of them are tragic, intriguing, sad, and everything else in between.
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: And a lot of people have said, wow, you've really
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: led some kind of life.
• 32:34
  Speaker 4: So I decided to write a memoir.
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: But then somebody said to me one day because I
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: told people about you know, the the you know the
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: two questions, the what if questions I've used many times
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: down the years, and they said, well, why don't you
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: try and turn it into a motivational inspirational book. That
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: people can really use. They can use your your solution,
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: your what if solution to be able to full field
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: their own dreams and their own ambitions. So that's when
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: I decided to do that. So at the end, I
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: don't know if you've had had any chance to look
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: at the stories in the book, but at the end
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: of every single story there's a takeaway which is and
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: it's where I've for different situations, I've used what if.
• 33:21
  Speaker 4: What if I don't? What if I do?
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: Get that, get that big emotional change between the questions
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: and answers, and usual nearly always be able to follow
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: through and do what I really wanted to do and
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: really achieve it.
• 33:35
  Speaker 4: But the sorry go on.
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: I was gonna say, so you go from one career
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: to the next, and I'm going to ask you if
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: you've got any other celebrity clients and whatnot as an instructor.
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: But let's go through the adapting from the police department
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: to the scheme. Did you take a lot of the
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: qualities you learned as a policeman into that, like the
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: coaching qualities, are the leadership qualities if you will.
• 33:59
  Speaker 4: Yeah, very much so.
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: I mean, of course, being a policeman you had to
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: be able to public speak, You had to be able
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: to relate to people in the street, you know, because
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: you know, the first two or three years I was
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: on foot, so you're always talking to people, having to
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: explain things to having to help people, even having to
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: you know, do things like you know, a relative has
• 34:21
  Speaker 3: been killed or something and you've got to go and
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: do got the nasty job of going to tell the
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: relatives and all that kind of stuff, you know, as
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: well as of course being involved in crime cases and
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: all that kind of stuff, which I've somewhat explained to you.
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: So yeah, and of course because of all the public
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: speaking the police. The first time, what I realized was
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: the first time I was ever given a ski class.
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: They gave me, which is ridiculousness. They gave me nineteen
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: complete beginners to teach because they were very short of
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: skins trucks.
• 34:56
  Speaker 4: That's why they asked me to get involved.
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: And I wasn't a skin structure all at the time,
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: and it was the very first time I'd ever taught.
• 35:04
  Speaker 4: I had nineteen of them.
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: But what I realized was that I really enjoyed it,
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: and even though there was nineteen of them, I pretty
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: much got them all to be able to ski on
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: that first day just a little bit, you know, which
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: is all you can expect from the first half a
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: day or a day. So I did that, but I
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: realized that I got a real kick out of teaching
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: and public speaking. Of course, the other thing, of course,
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: I want to do more of now, well I've done
• 35:32
  Speaker 3: a little.
• 35:32
  Speaker 4: Bit of it.
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: Anyway, I want to do a lot more motivational inspirational speaking,
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: going to see companies, organizations, that kind of thing and
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: give them motivational speeches, because I've got a speech which
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: is called how to say Nay to your naysayers and
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: have the last laugh.
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: Nineteen you mentioned.
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: Do you feel like they've all become experts or how
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: is their levels of skiing and all that?
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: Well, I don't know, because I mean that was how
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: long ago would that have been? That would have been
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: probably nineteen seventy six, so we're pushing fifty years ago.
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: Of course, when you get a group class, you're probably
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: only going to get to teach them maybe once or twice,
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: so you don't you don't get a chance really to
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: keep up with these people. But probably probably half of
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: them at least would have gone on and become, if
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: not expert skiers, good enough skiers to be able to
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: ski around the you know, the easier than the intermediate
• 36:40
  Speaker 3: runs on a mountain.
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: All right, to ask you what your favorite slope is like?
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: Is there a favorite slope?
• 36:46
  Speaker 4: You have.
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: A favorite slope? Yeah, I suppose there is. Actually it's
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: one called Harrier.
• 36:53
  Speaker 4: Because I've got a story about that as well.
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: This is a blue rum, which is kind of a
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: higher intermediate run on a ski slope, which is in
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: Beaver Creek. And anyway, I was just out free skiing
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: one day with a good friend of mine, Peter Clark,
• 37:12
  Speaker 3: and he and I used to He and I used
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: to basically just race each.
• 37:18
  Speaker 4: Other down the hill everywhere.
• 37:19
  Speaker 3: We were good skiers so and we knew how to
• 37:22
  Speaker 3: avoid people and all that, so it was pretty safe.
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: So anyway, we're going there, We're going down Harrier, really
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: going fast again. When I saw two people standing on
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: the side of the run, people that I knew already,
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: so I stopped to talk to them. I had a
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: quick chat with them, and I said, Okay, I'm going
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: to go and catch my buddy Peter up now. So
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: I took off down the hill and I'm going as
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: fast as I pretty much could go. When I get
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: pretty close to where Peter's standing further down the hill,
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: and something happened, as we call it.
• 37:53
  Speaker 4: I caught an edge of.
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: The ski or something, and I went down and I bounced,
• 37:57
  Speaker 3: and I bounced, and I some assaulted, and I summersaulted
• 38:01
  Speaker 3: and I landed right at Peter's feet. Now you'll, you'll,
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: you'll be able to write it relate to this, because
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: Peter was actually from Long Island in New York, and
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: in his Long Island accent, when I landed right at
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: his feet, Peter looked down at me and he said, Chalky,
• 38:17
  Speaker 3: you should only take falls like that when you're twenty two.
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: But somehow I survived that one uninjured.
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: God I didn't They were there many other falls or
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: close calls, because look, when you're skiing down a slope,
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: you never know unless you landed perfectly, what's going to happen.
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: How did you any other close calls or how did
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: you make your landings every time?
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: Well that was kind of a That one I just
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: explained is kind of a minor one.
• 38:45
  Speaker 4: I had two others when I one when I very.
• 38:48
  Speaker 3: First became a skiing structure and one just a couple
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: of years after where I was. My first two seasons
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: of teaching scheme were in Italy, and I'd been out
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: skiing for the for the day with some other skiing
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: structure friends because it was a day off. Anyway, again,
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: We're going probably too fast for arm good when I
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: hit a bump in that pretty hard snow and one
• 39:18
  Speaker 3: of my skis released, it came off of my foot
• 39:21
  Speaker 3: and I threw through the air head first and went
• 39:24
  Speaker 3: into a very hard bank of snow and completely and
• 39:28
  Speaker 3: utterly dislocated my left shoulder and I was in terrible pain,
• 39:34
  Speaker 3: and they got me to the bottom of the hill,
• 39:36
  Speaker 3: put me in an ambulance, got me to the hospital,
• 39:39
  Speaker 3: and I'm told by the by a skinning structure friend
• 39:44
  Speaker 3: that came with me to the hospital that the language
• 39:48
  Speaker 3: I was using was not very savory in front of
• 39:51
  Speaker 3: all the Roman Catholic nuns that were the nurses.
• 39:55
  Speaker 4: Anyway, the next.
• 39:56
  Speaker 3: The next morning, I woke up in the hospital bed
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: wrapped in a plaster of Paris body cast, and I'm thinking,
• 40:05
  Speaker 3: I've just dislocated my shoulder. You don't put someoney in
• 40:09
  Speaker 3: a plaster cast like this for a dislocated shoulder. So
• 40:13
  Speaker 3: anyway with that, Yeah, so anyway, kind of long story
• 40:20
  Speaker 3: short again, I'll get back to my hotel and about
• 40:23
  Speaker 3: three weeks later, because as a skiing structor, it's no work,
• 40:28
  Speaker 3: no pay, so I managed just just skiing slowly with
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: lower intermediate skiers that were less likely to fall over,
• 40:36
  Speaker 3: so I wouldn't have to help them too much. I
• 40:39
  Speaker 3: started teaching again, get to the end of that ski
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: season and I go back to England and I thought
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: I'd better get this checked out, you know, because I
• 40:47
  Speaker 3: still my shoulder are completely frozen, right, And anyway, I'll
• 40:52
  Speaker 3: go to the hospital and they X rayed it and
• 40:54
  Speaker 3: the doctor said to me, he said, you dislocated your shoulder, right,
• 40:58
  Speaker 3: I said yeah, he said, but did you also know
• 41:02
  Speaker 3: that you fractured your humorous you fractured your upper arm
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: as well. And of course I didn't know that because
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: I was in Italy. I didn't can speak any Italian
• 41:10
  Speaker 3: at all, and that's why they put me in the
• 41:12
  Speaker 3: plaster of Paris pody cast.
• 41:14
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's insane.
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: Well, thank god you've survived all that to tell the
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: tale of what Talkie Waite has gone through.
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: For sure.
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: Now I want to ask you about uh podmatic role.
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: What's it like being part of podmatic the community?
• 41:32
  Speaker 4: Well, I really enjoy it.
• 41:33
  Speaker 3: I mean I really like I mean, I just like
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: talking to people, talking to people like you. And of
• 41:38
  Speaker 3: course when you it keeps you interesting when you don't
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: quite know what the next question is going to be.
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: Oh, you know, I don't prep my guests with any question.
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: I just throw them as it's a follow up thing,
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: you know, that's my instinct.
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: The X Games and of course Olympics and all that
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: they take scheme to a whole other level.
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: Are you impressed by them every time you watch these guys?
• 41:58
  Speaker 4: All right?
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: Well, as a skier, you should be watching the people,
• 42:05
  Speaker 3: like the downhill races and the slalom races. You might
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: have heard of a lady called Michayla Schiffrin, who is
• 42:12
  Speaker 3: who's she's American, comes from Vail, and she's one of
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: the most weld cut races of anybody ever. And she
• 42:21
  Speaker 3: has become a heroine of mine for sure. And you know,
• 42:25
  Speaker 3: if I want to get better, I just take inspiration
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: from her and watch what she's doing and try to
• 42:31
  Speaker 3: constantly emulate that in which I've managed to do down
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: the years an awful lot looking. I always try and
• 42:36
  Speaker 3: look at skiers that I know ski better than I am,
• 42:39
  Speaker 3: because the thing is, as a skier, what you know
• 42:42
  Speaker 3: is there's always someone better than you.
• 42:44
  Speaker 4: Well, you're what you're trying.
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: To do is become at least as good as them,
• 42:47
  Speaker 3: and try and better them if you can. And by
• 42:49
  Speaker 3: the way, that skier structure that years ago said to me, Chalky,
• 42:54
  Speaker 3: you will never be a skier structure as long as
• 42:56
  Speaker 3: you've got a hold on your backside, Well, what I
• 42:58
  Speaker 3: know is I did eventually become a better ski than him,
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: and I became higher qualified than him. So you know
• 43:06
  Speaker 3: that's why I don't tend to take any notice of naysayers.
• 43:10
  Speaker 4: Even did I.
• 43:11
  Speaker 3: Did I tell you that I wrote a ski instruction
• 43:15
  Speaker 3: book that that became the number one best seller in
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: its category on Amazon.
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: Tell us about that.
• 43:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's called it's called the Seven It's actually
• 43:27
  Speaker 3: called Chalky Whites the Seven Secrets of Skiing. And when
• 43:32
  Speaker 3: I was writing that book, I couldn't come up with
• 43:36
  Speaker 3: the title that I really liked, but I did come
• 43:39
  Speaker 3: up with one. And when I was skiing actually with
• 43:41
  Speaker 3: Howard looked at that we talked about and he was
• 43:43
  Speaker 3: with a buddy and we're on a chairlift. We're going
• 43:45
  Speaker 3: up the lift talking and this guy said to me,
• 43:49
  Speaker 3: what are you going to call the book? I said,
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: Skiing and the Power of Balance and he said that
• 43:57
  Speaker 3: is so bleep boring. I said, well, okay, if you
• 44:03
  Speaker 3: can come up with something better, I'm all ears. So anyway,
• 44:07
  Speaker 3: a couple of days later, we're writing up the chairlift again,
• 44:10
  Speaker 3: Howard Lutnick and this other man, and I said, okay,
• 44:14
  Speaker 3: you you've got a title for me. He said yeah,
• 44:16
  Speaker 3: he said I have. He said how about he said,
• 44:19
  Speaker 3: You've got seven steps in this book?
• 44:21
  Speaker 4: Right? I said yeah.
• 44:23
  Speaker 3: He said, why not not give it a little bit
• 44:25
  Speaker 3: of intrigue and call it the Seven Secrets of Skiing?
• 44:29
  Speaker 3: And then he said are you famous? I said, well,
• 44:32
  Speaker 3: only in my own mind? And he said, well, why
• 44:36
  Speaker 3: not call it then Chalky Whites the Seven Secrets of Skiing?
• 44:40
  Speaker 3: And that's what I ended up calling it. But even
• 44:44
  Speaker 3: that I almost, I almost, because of another naysayer, almost
• 44:48
  Speaker 3: didn't publish it. After I've written all the texts, and
• 44:52
  Speaker 3: you know, the manuscript was completely written, I went to
• 44:55
  Speaker 3: see my skis called director who shall remain nameless, and
• 44:58
  Speaker 3: I said to him, Hey, I said, how about me
• 45:02
  Speaker 3: using a couple of the ski instructures for photographic demonstration purposes.
• 45:09
  Speaker 3: He said yeah, he said that's great. He said, but
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: you can't be in them. I said why not? He said,
• 45:17
  Speaker 3: because you.
• 45:18
  Speaker 4: Don't ski well enough.
• 45:20
  Speaker 3: So here we are another massive made and they say anyway.
• 45:25
  Speaker 3: I go from away from there, obviously feeling a little
• 45:27
  Speaker 3: bit despondent after a comment like that, Well, anyway, the
• 45:32
  Speaker 3: guy that had when I've been writing the book, that
• 45:35
  Speaker 3: every time I wrote something, I passed it through a
• 45:38
  Speaker 3: very good friend of mine, Matt dem who's an expert skier,
• 45:42
  Speaker 3: great ski instructor, and.
• 45:44
  Speaker 4: I'd say to him, what do you think of this?
• 45:46
  Speaker 3: And pretty much every time he come back and say no,
• 45:49
  Speaker 3: he said, I think that is very very accurate. And
• 45:53
  Speaker 3: I said to you, I told him this story about
• 45:55
  Speaker 3: with the ski as the director, and he.
• 45:57
  Speaker 4: Said, that's ridiculous.
• 45:58
  Speaker 3: He said, you ski as well as anybody in that
• 46:02
  Speaker 3: ski school. So what I did then was I found
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: my own ski instructors. All three of them happened to
• 46:09
  Speaker 3: be world synchronized skiing champions. In other words, synchronized skiing
• 46:15
  Speaker 3: is like demonstration skiing, demonstrating different maneuvers and all that
• 46:20
  Speaker 3: kind of thing and synchronizing them. All three of them
• 46:22
  Speaker 3: were world champions. They became my models for my for
• 46:26
  Speaker 3: my book.
• 46:28
  Speaker 4: And at the end of the of.
• 46:29
  Speaker 3: The photographic session, the lady that wrote the book, Linda Garrett,
• 46:34
  Speaker 3: was she's also a ski instructor examiner, and she said
• 46:39
  Speaker 3: to me, do you know and she didn't know anything
• 46:41
  Speaker 3: about this this thing with the ski school director. She said,
• 46:44
  Speaker 3: you know, your demonstrations are just as good as the
• 46:48
  Speaker 3: other three. And she said, in fact, the way you
• 46:52
  Speaker 3: carry your hands on arms is better than the other three.
• 46:56
  Speaker 4: Guess what.
• 46:57
  Speaker 3: I published the book straight away on Amazon or self
• 47:01
  Speaker 3: published it. It sold ten thousand copies, which is pretty
• 47:04
  Speaker 3: good for a self published book on Amazon, and as
• 47:08
  Speaker 3: I said, it became the number one best selling ski
• 47:11
  Speaker 3: instruction book for a while.
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: We're talking with Chalky White here, and thanks to pod
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: match for connecting us up here. But Chalky, I can't
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: help but think of Strong White on the snowboarding side.
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: So in this passion for skiing, do you actually follow
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: theoard snowboarding as well?
• 47:28
  Speaker 3: Oh so, I mean Sean White was an incredible athlete,
• 47:31
  Speaker 3: no doubt. Yeah, a tremendous athlete. I never really got
• 47:36
  Speaker 3: into snowboarding. I mean I was once asked, you know,
• 47:38
  Speaker 3: why don't you become a snowboarding structor as well? And
• 47:42
  Speaker 3: my answer to that was, well, what would you rather
• 47:45
  Speaker 3: be really good at one sport in other words, skiing
• 47:50
  Speaker 3: or average at two? And the answer that they came
• 47:54
  Speaker 3: up with was, well, we'd rather be really good at
• 47:57
  Speaker 3: one as good as you can be at one. And
• 48:00
  Speaker 3: That's what I've done. I've always been. I've always just
• 48:02
  Speaker 3: concentrated on the ski side of it, you.
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: Know, all right, Adaptive skiing, now that's a place that
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: I've been, you know, encouraged to try out. But do
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: you wish more were doing adaptive skiing here? And can
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: you guide people to that the right outlet to do
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: adaptive skiing as well?
• 48:21
  Speaker 3: I mean, in the Beaver Creek Ski School there was
• 48:24
  Speaker 3: a quite a big.
• 48:28
  Speaker 4: Adaptive skiing section.
• 48:30
  Speaker 3: But the big place to go for that, biggest place
• 48:34
  Speaker 3: in Colorado is is Winter Park in Colorado. They really
• 48:39
  Speaker 3: really specialize in teaching adaptives, you know. And by the way,
• 48:46
  Speaker 3: when I when I skied from one end of Britain
• 48:49
  Speaker 3: to the other, that was I think I said that
• 48:51
  Speaker 3: was for the spinal injured people to help them get
• 48:54
  Speaker 3: back into to get them back into into a normal
• 48:58
  Speaker 3: kind of life through sports such as skiing and sailing
• 49:02
  Speaker 3: and all that kind of stuff.
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: You know, you dabble on other things like sailing and
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: any other sports that we could talk about.
• 49:12
  Speaker 4: Cycling.
• 49:13
  Speaker 3: I've done quite a lot of long distance cycling, like
• 49:18
  Speaker 3: I've done like five times.
• 49:19
  Speaker 4: I did a.
• 49:20
  Speaker 3: Scene where I went from just outside of Denver, Evergreen
• 49:23
  Speaker 3: up to Vale, which is one hundred and twenty miles
• 49:27
  Speaker 3: over ten and a half thousand feet of climbing in
• 49:30
  Speaker 3: a day.
• 49:31
  Speaker 4: I've that five times.
• 49:34
  Speaker 3: I mean, I tend to do things where again people
• 49:37
  Speaker 3: say to me, oh, you're really going to do that,
• 49:40
  Speaker 3: You really think you can do that? And my answer
• 49:42
  Speaker 3: pretty much as well, I will never know unless I try.
• 49:46
  Speaker 3: And that's why I You know, when I skied from
• 49:48
  Speaker 3: from one end of Britain to the other for a
• 49:51
  Speaker 3: spinal injuries charity, people said to me that, they said,
• 49:56
  Speaker 3: you're too old to do that. I went, Okay, we'll
• 49:59
  Speaker 3: find out whether I'm too and of course I went
• 50:01
  Speaker 3: ahead and I did it, and I still remain the
• 50:04
  Speaker 3: only person to go from one end at Britain to
• 50:06
  Speaker 3: the other on a pair of skeis and nobody else
• 50:09
  Speaker 3: has ever done that, which I'm kind of proud of.
• 50:14
  Speaker 3: And we raised a lot a lot of money for
• 50:16
  Speaker 3: that Spinal injuries charity.
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: All right, Chuckie, I'm gonna ask you a million dollar
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: question right now, and this I want to get. I
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: want to get on camera. Did Sir William Kensington inspire
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: you by what he did climbing man Evers? I mean,
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: this is Kennington, Oh, Kennington.
• 50:31
  Speaker 5: Inspire you, Sir William Kenon hillar In Absolutely I remember
• 50:35
  Speaker 5: because they did that in nineteen fifty two when they
• 50:39
  Speaker 5: climb that, I was five years old.
• 50:42
  Speaker 3: But I've always always been interested in mountaineering, you know.
• 50:48
  Speaker 3: And Hillary's famous saying was when asked, why did you
• 50:53
  Speaker 3: do it? Climb Everest? In other words, he said because
• 50:57
  Speaker 3: it was there. That's another reason why I decided to
• 51:01
  Speaker 3: ski from one end of Britain to the other, because
• 51:05
  Speaker 3: it was there to do. Why not try it if
• 51:07
  Speaker 3: you think you can? So yeah, my attitude always too
• 51:14
  Speaker 3: is and I'm sure it's the same with you.
• 51:17
  Speaker 4: Giving up is just not an option at all.
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: As somebody my friend who actually played basketball with no
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: arms he would play basketball with just two legs.
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: Had Scottie Pollock saying was failure is not an option
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: and we all live by that in our community. So
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: failure is not an option. You're right.
• 51:37
  Speaker 3: It's just incredible what people can do with with what
• 51:40
  Speaker 3: they've got, even though you know their bodies might have
• 51:43
  Speaker 3: been diminished by an h you know, something like you've got.
• 51:46
  Speaker 3: You said you were born with one leg. I mean,
• 51:49
  Speaker 3: to do the stuff you do incredible with congratulations to
• 51:52
  Speaker 3: you keep at it and never stop.
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: Did you ever hear my anecdote you were mentioning about
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: not failing and one of my colleague, one of my
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: friends who passed away very early by the way, uh,
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: Scottie Pollock, he was born with no arms but played
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: basketball with just the two legs, and he said, failure
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: is not an option, and we all live by that
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: in our community, in the Henry of Scotis School community.
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: So I feel you're what you're saying there.
• 52:19
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I mean, and of course much easier for
• 52:22
  Speaker 3: someone like me because I've got both arms and bow's
• 52:24
  Speaker 3: legs and everything else, So you know, it's a lot
• 52:27
  Speaker 3: easier for.
• 52:27
  Speaker 4: Me to do that.
• 52:29
  Speaker 3: I mean, a very good, very good friend of mine.
• 52:33
  Speaker 3: He a couple of years ago took up the highest
• 52:38
  Speaker 3: mountain in Africa, which is trying to remember now, but
• 52:41
  Speaker 3: he took I think it was it was three or
• 52:45
  Speaker 3: four wounded warriors up Mount Kilimanjaro. I three amputees. He
• 52:55
  Speaker 3: took up Mount Kilimanjaro. Incredible stuff, you know that they
• 53:01
  Speaker 3: would do that, you know, and uh, and they're going
• 53:04
  Speaker 3: to some of them are going to do do that again.
• 53:06
  Speaker 3: And they practice in Colorado. They go up a mountain
• 53:10
  Speaker 3: called Mount Albert, which is the highest mountain in Colorado.
• 53:13
  Speaker 4: They go up there as well.
• 53:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's pretty incredible what people can do with what
• 53:19
  Speaker 3: with what they've got. They just say, okay, so what
• 53:22
  Speaker 3: I've got this, but I'm going to do this and
• 53:24
  Speaker 3: I don't care what you say.
• 53:26
  Speaker 4: I'm going to do this whether you like it or not.
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: I love that. Well, Shucky, this has been great. And
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: I don't know if you want to go here.
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: But because you've had the police experience, I do feel
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: like there's a culture shift in the way people view
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: the police.
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: I mean, in your years, look at the great work
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: you did. Do you do you do?
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: You sometimes feel sad that the police are looking at
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: such a bad light now. I mean, it just it's
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: been a culture change.
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: I'm sure.
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: So you were there where police were respected back in
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: those in that era.
• 53:54
  Speaker 4: Well, you know, you.
• 53:55
  Speaker 3: Can be the worst, the worst person, the worst scumbag.
• 53:59
  Speaker 4: In the world.
• 54:00
  Speaker 3: You know, when you know what hits the fan, guess
• 54:05
  Speaker 3: who they go to every time, didn't matter who it
• 54:08
  Speaker 3: is when things.
• 54:10
  Speaker 4: Are really bad, they always end up going to the
• 54:13
  Speaker 4: police to sort it out.
• 54:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and uh yeah, I mean the police that just
• 54:19
  Speaker 3: don't get the respects that they used to, which is
• 54:22
  Speaker 3: very ridiculous to me, and they get poor pay for
• 54:25
  Speaker 3: doing a very very tough job.
• 54:27
  Speaker 4: There are not very.
• 54:28
  Speaker 3: Many people will like like policemen, but where would we
• 54:32
  Speaker 3: be without them? Where We've got stuff going on in
• 54:35
  Speaker 3: New York City right now?
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: Oh, you're following the whole Mum Donny situation. We're scared here,
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It's not good.
• 54:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, unfortunately it looks like he's going to win. Well, now,
• 54:49
  Speaker 3: if you defund the police, you have anarchy.
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: Absolutely well, thank you for winging on that, because as
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: a former policeman, I know you have a.
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: Lot of thoughts and I have to add this. You
• 54:59
  Speaker 2: imagine your count was Kent. Well, that's my middle name,
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: so I feel like there's a synchronicity here.
• 55:03
  Speaker 4: That Kent Kent, Okay.
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: So I was like, oh, that's interesting that I was
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: in that. My name is the county you were in
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: in England, so.
• 55:13
  Speaker 3: The official name was the Kent County Constabulary.
• 55:18
  Speaker 2: I love it. Well, So you were a constable then.
• 55:22
  Speaker 4: I was.
• 55:22
  Speaker 3: I was police constable three three two white.
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I was Constable White.
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: I will now address you as that moving forward, because
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: that just sounds awesome and and uh and I want
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: you know what I want to I would love to
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: it back on as this election unfolds, because I want
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: you to tell people what to expect because look, even
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: in your city of London, we've seemed drastic changes there
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: under con It's it's scary.
• 55:48
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 55:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I've got a friend next police and
• 55:52
  Speaker 3: I say, I'm glad I'm not in that job anymore,
• 55:55
  Speaker 3: you know, Yeah, yeah, I'm certainly glad I'm not in
• 55:59
  Speaker 3: it anymore. Well, I mean I was always glad I
• 56:02
  Speaker 3: was in it because I learned an awful lot, learn
• 56:05
  Speaker 3: a lot about people, learn a lot about life, learned
• 56:09
  Speaker 3: how to deal with people.
• 56:10
  Speaker 4: It helped me.
• 56:11
  Speaker 3: Certainly helped me to become a better ski instructor because
• 56:14
  Speaker 3: of those experiences and how to deal with bad situations
• 56:18
  Speaker 3: when necessary.
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: And on that note, you certainly have how people have
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: one leg up on the slopes, for sure. But the
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: most rewarding thing for you as an instructor was it
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: when they nailed that, you know, whatever that slope for
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: What's the most warning thing you've had as an instructor.
• 56:35
  Speaker 3: Most rewarding scene as an instructor now, I mean I
• 56:39
  Speaker 3: have to think about that. Really, one might have been
• 56:43
  Speaker 3: actually knowing that I could deal with someone like Howard Lutnik.
• 56:50
  Speaker 3: I mean, he's such an a type personality and someone
• 56:54
  Speaker 3: who's extremely.
• 56:56
  Speaker 4: Difficult to please.
• 56:59
  Speaker 3: But I always had a very very good relationship with him,
• 57:02
  Speaker 3: and I turned him from an okay skier to a
• 57:07
  Speaker 3: pretty good advanced skier he became in the end, you know,
• 57:11
  Speaker 3: just on one week a year.
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: That's pretty impressive and tracky. I want to have you
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: back on for sure, because I don't think this is
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: the only conversation we're gonna have.
• 57:21
  Speaker 2: I want to have more with you as we move
• 57:23
  Speaker 2: along here.
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: But chewing the grantite, I love that term, and thank
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: you for sharing the book today with all my audience,
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: and of course we get an Amazon and a link
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: it to the website. Is there another website for you
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: as well?
• 57:36
  Speaker 3: No, actually I don't have a website any longer because
• 57:41
  Speaker 3: I stopped teaching.
• 57:43
  Speaker 4: Spit up. But I'm on Instagram and stuff.
• 57:47
  Speaker 3: I'm on Facebook, and of course people can can if
• 57:52
  Speaker 3: I can give you my email address.
• 57:53
  Speaker 4: I think you have that anyway, And also people.
• 57:57
  Speaker 3: Confone me if they want, for example, for me to
• 58:00
  Speaker 3: do some motivational speaking, because I think that a lot
• 58:04
  Speaker 3: of companies might be interested in this, because the hardest
• 58:06
  Speaker 3: thing to do in any business is to sell products.
• 58:11
  Speaker 4: It's one of the most difficult.
• 58:12
  Speaker 3: That's why probably salespeople in companies tend to get paid
• 58:17
  Speaker 3: the most of anybody because people don't like to sell.
• 58:21
  Speaker 3: Not many people like to be salespeople. And what if
• 58:25
  Speaker 3: I don't, what if I don't, What if I do?
• 58:29
  Speaker 3: Solution can really help them to pick up phones and
• 58:33
  Speaker 3: where necessary, knock on doors, you know.
• 58:38
  Speaker 4: So I'd love to just be able to talk to
• 58:39
  Speaker 4: organizations and charities.
• 58:41
  Speaker 3: I mean I've even done I even did a thing
• 58:43
  Speaker 3: in Denver with an organization called the Stout Street organization
• 58:48
  Speaker 3: which where people are involuntarily sent to stay in a
• 58:54
  Speaker 3: hostel there where they are trying to overcome things like
• 59:00
  Speaker 3: drug addiction and alcoholism. I've actually gone and spoken to
• 59:05
  Speaker 3: them a couple of times about it, about that and
• 59:09
  Speaker 3: how they can use you know, for example, you know,
• 59:11
  Speaker 3: what if I don't quit drinking alcohol because I am
• 59:17
  Speaker 3: such an alcoholic, what can happen to me next if
• 59:22
  Speaker 3: I don't quit?
• 59:23
  Speaker 4: And they can.
• 59:25
  Speaker 3: Come up with the word regret that they can also
• 59:27
  Speaker 3: come up with, well if I don't stop, If I
• 59:30
  Speaker 3: don't stop, I'm probably going to kill myself through through
• 59:34
  Speaker 3: being addicted to drugs and alcohol, you know. So I
• 59:38
  Speaker 3: can help lots of people.
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: That and that's where that's sort of where the police,
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: constable and you comes out, because obviously the police want
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: to track crack down on that and make sure people
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: are on the right track.
• 59:48
  Speaker 2: So I feel like that.
• 59:50
  Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly right. Yeah, Well one, are we still on air?
• 59:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah we're still here?
• 59:56
  Speaker 4: Oh good, but talky?
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: This was This was great and I love I'm going
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: to post this up shortly, but do come back, especially
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: as we see how things come in New York and
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: you can talk about your experiences more and why we
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: need the police here in New York City.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 2: Even more than the people realize or want to respect.
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 3: Actually, yeah, certainly, i'd love to I really enjoyed this, Alex. Thanks,
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 3: thanks very much and I really appreciate it. And uh,
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 3: you know, I'll definitely be writing a five star review
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 3: for you.
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 2: Bernard chalky Way, thanks so much, and we'll talk again soon.
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 3: We'll do it, thanks to Alex. All the best to you,
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 3: and try and get skiing if you can.
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, we're gonna talk about that offline for sure.
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 2: I'd love to see what we.
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 4: Can do do contact me. I'd love to talk to
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 4: you about that.
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 2: Would love it, all right, Chalking, thanks for joining me
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 2: on the One Leg Up Network.
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 4: Thanks thanks again, all the best, Alex. Yeah, god bless
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 4: keep getting that one leg up.
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: I love it.
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 2: Talk to you later all by now