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Credlin | 14 January · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Peter Kredlin live on Sky News Australia. Good evening, I'm
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Speaker 1: Caroline Marquez filling in for Peter Kredlin. Coming up tonight,
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Speaker 1: I'll reveal extraordinary new footage Runda abdel Fatta calling for
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Speaker 1: Zionists to be canceled as she sues the South Australian
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Speaker 1: premiere over his comments about her dumping from Adelaide.
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Speaker 2: Right this week, Donald.
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Speaker 1: Trump Bow's help is on the way for Iranian protesters
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Speaker 1: as the death toll grows into.
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Speaker 2: The thousands, and one business.
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Speaker 1: Leader is pushing back against the corporate cancelation of Australia Day.
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Speaker 1: But first, it is not an exaggeration to say what
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Speaker 1: we are seeing now in Iran, while horrific and deeply upsetting,
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Speaker 1: could be the turning point for global peace. The death
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Speaker 1: toll of brave Iranians standing up against a brutal Islamist
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Speaker 1: regime has now reached twelve thousand, a figure verified by
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Speaker 1: US broadcasters CBS and respected dissident website around international. The
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Speaker 1: regime itself puts the number of casualties far lower, but
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Speaker 1: it is still very disturbing. Two thousand including security forces.
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Speaker 1: But are we really expected to trust the world's biggest
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Speaker 1: sponsor of terrorism, a regime that's been unapologetically firing on
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Speaker 1: its own people, all while shutting down their electricity and
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Speaker 1: internet in a futile bid to hide their evil from
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Speaker 1: the world. And while this next footage may be distressing,
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Speaker 1: I urge you not to look away. Body after body
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Speaker 1: lined up in black bags outside a Tehran mark as
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Speaker 1: distraught family members search for and mourn their loved ones. Today,
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Speaker 1: Iran's radical Islamist regime is due to execute twenty six
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Speaker 1: year old protester Ervan Sultani for the crime of being
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Speaker 1: an enemy of God. His state sanctioned murder will be
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Speaker 1: the first of many. US President Donald Trump has given
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Speaker 1: his strongest indication yet he will intervene with military force,
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Speaker 1: writing on his social media platform Truth Social, Iranian patriots,
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Speaker 1: keep protesting, take over your institutions, save the names of
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Speaker 1: the killers and abusers. They will pay a big price.
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Speaker 1: I have canceled all meetings with Iranian officials until the
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Speaker 1: senseless killing of protesters stop.
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Speaker 2: Help is on its.
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Speaker 1: Way, Miga make a run great again. Trump wouldn't elaborate
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Speaker 1: on what exactly he meant by help. When asked by
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Speaker 1: a reporter, He said for ran this morning that help.
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Speaker 2: Is on the way for protesters. What did you mean
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Speaker 2: by that? What kind of help?
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Speaker 3: You're gonna have to figure that one out.
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Speaker 4: I'm sorry.
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Speaker 2: And here was Trump not ruling out air strikes us.
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Speaker 1: Your strikes comes back, Philip, he will protect one the
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Speaker 1: result of protecting the protest.
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Speaker 5: Well, you never know, do you do? You think it's
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Speaker 5: so far My track record has been excellent, But you
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Speaker 5: never know.
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Speaker 1: And speaking of his track record, let's not forget it
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Speaker 1: was only last June Trump ordered strikes on a run's
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Speaker 1: nuclear facilities in an astonishingly executed and incredibly precise mission.
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Speaker 1: And yet, in spite of the horror being inflicted on
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Speaker 1: the Iranian people, much of the West remains silent, including
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Speaker 1: the thousands of so called human rights activists who took
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Speaker 1: over our cities and landmarks week after week. They took
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Speaker 1: them hostage for the past two years to rail against
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Speaker 1: the only democracy in the Middle East, Israel.
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Speaker 2: Where are these morally superior peers.
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Speaker 1: Of ours who were marching for humanity when the Iranian
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Speaker 1: protesters are fighting for their basic human rights and dignity
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Speaker 1: and they're being gunned down in the street. I showed
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Speaker 1: this to viewers last night, but it's worth showing again
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Speaker 1: an Iranian woman in Sydney crying out for support, massacres.
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Speaker 2: On the strep. Just wake up, Just wake up.
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Speaker 3: They need to wake up.
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Speaker 2: I cannot understand and the worst is just sitting.
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Speaker 6: We need to be that once.
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Speaker 1: The left's silence on this issue is a blight against them.
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Speaker 1: And the reason I said earlier what happens next in
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Speaker 1: our could be the turning point for world peace is
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Speaker 1: because it's not only the millions of Iranian civilians who've
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Speaker 1: been brutalized by this despotic regime. Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guard
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Speaker 1: is the world's biggest sponsor of terror, funding training and
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Speaker 1: arming Hamas in Gaza, Hezbollah in Lebanon, and the Hooties
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Speaker 1: and Yemen, all barbarians who have inflicted enormous suffering across
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Speaker 1: the region and on their own people. The fact Australian
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Speaker 1: protests have regularly featured the flags and other signs glorifying
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Speaker 1: these terror groups is the main clue as to why
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Speaker 1: there has been this deafening silence from the hard left
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Speaker 1: on Iran. The far left and radical Islamists are the
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Speaker 1: most incongruent to Bedfellows, I challenge them to try their
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Speaker 1: highly selective calls for free speech, women's and gay rights
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Speaker 1: on the streets of Tehran and see how long they last.
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Speaker 1: Tonight I can reveal shocking new footage of the anti
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Speaker 1: Israel academic at the center of the collapse of the
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Speaker 1: Adelaide writers Wig hypocritically calling for the de platforming of
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Speaker 1: Zionists or while she today launched legal action against South
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Speaker 1: Australian Premier Peter Malinowskis over his comments about her own
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Speaker 1: de platforming, which she's labeled racist. In an interview release today,
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Speaker 1: Randa abdel Fata makes the astonishing claim to former ABC
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Speaker 1: journalist Jan Fran in the podcast that Fran shares with
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Speaker 1: fellow pro Palestinian activist Antoinette Latouf.
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Speaker 7: It should not be platformed and celebrated in the name
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Speaker 7: of free speech. It is about as ridiculous as saying
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Speaker 7: that a white supremacist is entitled to take to a
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Speaker 7: stage and defend the right to subjugate black populations, or
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Speaker 7: a misogynist can take to the stage and talk about
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Speaker 7: the inferiority of women.
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Speaker 2: You heard her there.
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Speaker 1: The Maccruarie University Academics saying Zionism does not have a
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Speaker 1: right to be platformed and Zionists should be ostracized like
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Speaker 1: white supremacists and misogynists. Now, I don't need to reprosecute
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Speaker 1: the case for Zionism tonight, which is again simply the
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Speaker 1: belief that Jews have the right.
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Speaker 2: To live in their ancestral homeland.
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Speaker 1: Suffice to say, I just point out the irony of
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Speaker 1: Abdelfarta's comments, given Israel is the only country in the
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Speaker 1: Middle East where women have full equal rights to men,
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Speaker 1: and that while there have been no Jews living in
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Speaker 1: Gaza since Israel's withdrawal in two thousand and five, one
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Speaker 1: in five Israeli citizens are Arab, and they have equal
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Speaker 1: rights and even whole positions in Parliament. But back to
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Speaker 1: abdel Phart and her insufferable double standards.
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Speaker 2: Don't forget.
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Speaker 1: This is the woman who has spent the past few
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Speaker 1: days being championed as a free speech martyr, as literally
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Speaker 1: hundreds of other writers quit the festival in solidarity with
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Speaker 1: her and against her so called censorship, and yet here
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Speaker 1: she is today saying not everyone is entitled to free speech.
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Speaker 7: This sort of moment can be hijacked as a question
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Speaker 7: about like liberal ideas of free speech only, but that
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Speaker 7: can be a very dangerous bert slope because not all
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Speaker 7: speech is equal.
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Speaker 1: So how did this obsessive, hateful anti Zionist become a
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Speaker 1: poster girl for free speech? We've already told you how
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Speaker 1: she'd tried to get a Jewish author canceled from the
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Speaker 1: same event two years ago, and the Nightly Report. She'd
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Speaker 1: also attempted to get ex Muslim writer ion Hersey Alli
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Speaker 1: banned from B'oring Australia in twenty seventeen. So please spare
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Speaker 1: me the lionizing of this feral woman. In case you
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Speaker 1: need reminding, abdel Fatta was the activist who posted a
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Speaker 1: picture of a Palestinian paraglider the day of the October
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Speaker 1: seven attacks as her Maas was using those very means
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Speaker 1: to invade Israel and slaughter more than twelve hundred people,
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Speaker 1: rape women, and take two hundred and fifty people hostage.
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Speaker 1: She's previously said Zionists have no claim to cultural safety.
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Speaker 2: She's called for the end of Israel.
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Speaker 1: She said Zionists should never know a second's piece in
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Speaker 1: their sadistic, miserable lives, and she coached children to chant
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Speaker 1: anti Israel slogans Pala Sign movie.
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Speaker 2: Three and Today.
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Speaker 1: She also used that fawning podcast interview to recycle an
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Speaker 1: anti Semitic tropes about Jewish and Israeli power.
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Speaker 7: It's a very well oiled machine when you look at
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Speaker 7: the way the Husbara machine works and the way the
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Speaker 7: lobby works, not just here in Australia but in the
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Speaker 7: US and the UK. There's the cautionary tale. So they'll
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Speaker 7: pick off the public figures as a warning shot to
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Speaker 7: those who might not have the social media platform or
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Speaker 7: the public profile to be able to weather the storm.
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Speaker 1: But I think the part that grates the most is
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Speaker 1: how abdel Farder manages to turn herself into a victim
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Speaker 1: of violence in the wake of the worst terror attack
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Speaker 1: on Australian soil, in which Jews were hunted down and
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Speaker 1: executed in the name of fundamentalist Islam.
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Speaker 7: They're using that tragedy to further violence, to perpetuate violence,
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Speaker 7: to cause division, to cause hate.
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Speaker 1: Abdel Fada even goes so far as to call the
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Speaker 1: decision to cancel her invite from the Adelaide Festival an
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Speaker 1: act of violence, also describing the voluntary decision of others
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Speaker 1: to walk out after she left, and even the voluntary
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Speaker 1: resignation of anti Israel Jewish director Louise Adler as violence
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Speaker 1: against them.
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Speaker 7: There are so many layers of violence that have been
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Speaker 7: enacted by this decision, on Palestinians, on First Nations, people,
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Speaker 7: on minority writers, but also on a Jewish woman at
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Speaker 7: the center of it.
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Speaker 1: So in light of all that, I think you can
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Speaker 1: understand why I have little sympathy for her and more
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Speaker 1: sympathy for South Australian Premier Peter malanowskis, who abdel Fata
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Speaker 1: accuses of making a vicious personal assault on her which
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Speaker 1: left her quote terrified. Here was the Premier when asked
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Speaker 1: about her legal action today.
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Speaker 8: And she said that you made ambitious personal self unfair
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Speaker 8: as private citizen astafamatory terrified.
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Speaker 3: There do you okay?
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Speaker 4: An apology?
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Speaker 3: I'm throughout the entirety of this.
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Speaker 9: My only motivation and all the words that I've spoken
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Speaker 9: have come from a place of a desire for people
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Speaker 9: to treat each other silly.
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Speaker 1: Sadly, civility is the last thing we can expect from
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Speaker 1: anti free speech warrior.
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Speaker 2: Randa abdel Fatta.
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Speaker 1: Well, let's return to Iran now with the Australians Foreigner
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Speaker 1: editor Greg Sheridan. Greg, thanks so much for being with
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Speaker 1: us tonight. I spoke at the top of the show
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Speaker 1: about the thousands of protesters now who have been killed
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Speaker 1: during this violent crackdown by Iran's security forces. This is
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Speaker 1: now one of the biggest challenges to the regime since
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Speaker 1: the nineteen seventy nine Islamic Revolution. Do you see this
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Speaker 1: as possibly the beginning of the end for Iotola Ali
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Speaker 1: Kameni and his brutal regime.
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Speaker 10: Well, Carolyn, great to be with you. Look, I think
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Speaker 10: the signs are not great, just the latest signs. This
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Speaker 10: I think has been the biggest challenge to the Islamo
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Speaker 10: Stalinist regime of the Mullers since the nineteen seventy nine
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Speaker 10: Islamic Revolution. But the regime has held together. You haven't
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Speaker 10: seen any defections from within the regime. You haven't seen
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Speaker 10: any visible disunity from the security forces, and the security
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Speaker 10: forces have shown a willingness to kill thousands and thousands
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Speaker 10: and thousands of Iranian civilians intentionally because they're protesting against
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Speaker 10: a dictatorship. Now, the sad truth is dictatorships often fall
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Speaker 10: not because they're too rough, but when they start to
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Speaker 10: liberalize that were what happened in the Soviet Union. In
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Speaker 10: a way, that's what happened to the Shah in Iran.
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Speaker 10: It's fascinating that Donald Trump is getting involved in this
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Speaker 10: on the grounds of human rights. I mean, this is
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Speaker 10: Donald Trump, the neo conservative, this is this is Donald
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Speaker 10: Trump the liberal internationalists. This is Donald Trump we haven't
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Speaker 10: seen before. It's very welcome that he's supporting the demonstrators.
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Speaker 10: I salute their magnificent courage. And I think every civilized
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Speaker 10: human being in the world supports the Iranian demonstrators. Our
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Speaker 10: government quite rightly said that it does. But you know,
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Speaker 10: I very much hope I'm wrong here, but I think
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Speaker 10: the regime looks as though it's going to going to
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Speaker 10: hold together.
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Speaker 2: Oh look, I hope you're wrong as well.
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Speaker 1: You talk about U as President Donald Trump, and I
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Speaker 1: think he's made the strongest hints in the past twenty
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Speaker 1: four hours that he could take military action here. He
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Speaker 1: posted online help is on its way. He hasn't ruled
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Speaker 1: out air strikes when asked this by reporters. Do you think, though,
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Speaker 1: that another US strike on a run is likely to
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Speaker 1: happen at this point?
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Speaker 10: Look, Carolyn, I would say it's genuinely impossible to predict.
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Speaker 10: So first of all, I mean I welcome Trump's intervention
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Speaker 10: in the sense that he is supporting the demonstrators, so
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Speaker 10: he's on the side of human decency, basic human decencies.
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Speaker 10: So good on the president for that. Some of his
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Speaker 10: recent actions have been extremely effective in Venezuela, in Gaza,
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Speaker 10: and in the strike on Iran's military facilities. But it's
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Speaker 10: very difficult to see how an American military strike from
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Speaker 10: the air could materially help the demonstrators. Iran doesn't look
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Speaker 10: as though it's just on the brink of collapse and
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Speaker 10: one more push will shove it over the edge. I
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Speaker 10: suppose it's conceivable that they could try to decapitate the regime,
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Speaker 10: but that you know, the system seems to be pretty
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Speaker 10: solid if they even if it lost a leader or
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Speaker 10: a number of leaders, they would quickly be replaced. The
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Speaker 10: other thing about Trump's rhetoric, I mean, as I say,
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Speaker 10: the support for the demonstrators is salutary and welcome. But
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Speaker 10: if you say to people keep demonstrating help is on
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Speaker 10: its way, that does place you under a big moral
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Speaker 10: obligation to give them some help.
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Speaker 2: I mean, one of the.
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Speaker 10: Long term criticisms of liberal interventionism has been that you
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Speaker 10: get people to sacrifice their lives in a good cause
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Speaker 10: on the promise of help that never quite arrives. And
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Speaker 10: I just don't see I don't say this as a
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Speaker 10: criticism of Trump or anything, but I just don't see
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Speaker 10: what US military action could advance the situation of the
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Speaker 10: protesters or lead to regime collapse in Iran. But Trump
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Speaker 10: is I said so much about it in the last
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Speaker 10: couple of days. It'll look very strange if he doesn't
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Speaker 10: do something. But there are non military measures open to him,
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Speaker 10: increasing sanctions or preps, cyber interference with the state security
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Speaker 10: forces of Iran, something like that.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe that is more plausible, I suppose. But yeah,
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Speaker 1: he says he's canceled negotiations that had been in the
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Speaker 1: works with Iran.
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Speaker 2: So if he doesn't do something.
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Speaker 1: At the stage, I think he would look a bit
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Speaker 1: foolish after all the tough talk. Look, let's move on
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Speaker 1: now to Kevin Rudd's sudden resignation as ambassador to the US.
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Speaker 1: Now you've actually written in defensive Rod today in The Australian,
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Speaker 1: arguing that Rudd did a good job as ambassador, notwithstanding
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Speaker 1: the troubles caused by his previous silly remarks that were
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Speaker 1: personally critical of Donald Trump. And you say his departure
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Speaker 1: will seriously weaken the Albanese government, especially on China policy.
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Speaker 1: I mean, explain that, Greg, Why do you defend Rroud today?
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Speaker 10: You know, we'll runs a mixed grill. You know, like
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Speaker 10: most people, has good and bad in rud. But Rudd
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Speaker 10: has always been very very good on China. And I've
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Speaker 10: read his book on Chi Jinping. I wonder how many
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Speaker 10: members of the Federal Cabinet have done so. And it's
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Speaker 10: the best thing on current Chinese leadership. And he makes
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Speaker 10: the case that Chi Jinping is an ideologue motivated by
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Speaker 10: Marxist Leninist ideology and a desire to increase the power
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Speaker 10: of the Chinese Communist Party in the Chinese state. Well
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Speaker 10: that you don't hear any of that language from the
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Speaker 10: Alberanese government. I mean I wrote today that the Alberanese
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Speaker 10: government strategically has a marshmallow brain. Tactically, it has all
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Speaker 10: the swiftness of a stale blomonge, and it has the
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Speaker 10: grip of a kitten with a valium habit. Well, Trump,
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Speaker 10: Rudd compared to those is iron Man, Superman, you know,
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Speaker 10: Captain America all rolled into one. Now, the Albanese government
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Speaker 10: can't afford to lose it's one hardhead on China policy.
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Speaker 10: At the same time, Andrew Sheer is departing as the
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Speaker 10: Director of the Office of National Intelligence. It's greatly the
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Speaker 10: Albanesi government's credit that it kept Shearer in place after
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Speaker 10: it came into office. And now he's going to Tokyo
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Speaker 10: as ambassador. That's a big post, so they're treating him honorably.
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Speaker 10: But what you've got with the departure of Rudd and
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Speaker 10: the departure of Sheier is the departure of the two
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Speaker 10: most best informed, toughest minded thinkers on China in the
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Speaker 10: Australian national security establishment. Now with our marshmallow government, with
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Speaker 10: its utterly anemic defense budget, its inability to take any action.
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Speaker 10: So how is it that Rudd's resignation was announced and
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Speaker 10: there was no replacement ready to go? You don't want
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Speaker 10: to leave this post vacant, the most important post in
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Speaker 10: our diplomatic service. Last year twenty twenty four, they announced
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Speaker 10: that they're no longer having the head of ASIO and
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Speaker 10: the head of ASIS as routine members of the National
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Speaker 10: Security Committee of the Cabinet, whereas they had been for
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Speaker 10: a long time before that. So I think this is
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Speaker 10: a substantial weakening of the Albanese government, which is already
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Speaker 10: very very weak in national security. Now a lot of
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Speaker 10: other things rud did and said I'd disagree with strongly
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Speaker 10: and all that, but I think he's a big loss.
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Speaker 10: A weak government is losing its one bit of strength.
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Speaker 2: Well, that should be a concern for all of us.
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Speaker 1: Greg Sheridan, thank you so much for your time and
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Speaker 1: your insights tonight.
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Speaker 2: Look, let's move on.
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Speaker 1: And while many corporates are shying away from publicly marking
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Speaker 1: Australia Day to their own peril, it must be said
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Speaker 1: the Faulkner Property Shopping Centers Group is leaning right in.
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Speaker 1: Chief investment officer and founder Chris Garno says he hopes
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Speaker 1: Australia Day can be a source of unity after the
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Speaker 1: Boni terror attack and is imploring other businesses to join
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Speaker 1: him in proudly celebrating it. And a recent poll by
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Speaker 1: the Institute of Public Affairs validates that move, finding the
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Speaker 1: majority of young people don't want companies to allow staff
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Speaker 1: to take an alternative day off to the Australia Day holiday.
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Speaker 1: Chris Gano joins me now from Melbourne. Chris, thanks so
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Speaker 1: much for your time and this is so refreshing.
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Speaker 2: I have to say, you've.
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Speaker 1: Said you won't bow to woke corporate bs. Now what
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Speaker 1: prompted this strong stance from you?
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Speaker 11: Well, firstly, thanks for having me, Carolin. I'm most grateful
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Speaker 11: to be with you tonight. I mean, basically, I'm an
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Speaker 11: Australian and I run an Australian business and my customers
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Speaker 11: are Australian. And if you can't celebrate your country on
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Speaker 11: her national day and show her the ultimate respect and gratitude,
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Speaker 11: when can you do it? The second thing, if you
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Speaker 11: think from a business perspective, Carolin, this is the second
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Speaker 11: time we run it, by the way we run it
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Speaker 11: last year as well across our shopping centers, and I
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Speaker 11: have never been in our shopping centers where the mood
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Speaker 11: was so uplifted. And you think about it, the shopping center,
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Speaker 11: your local shopping center in the suburbs and the regions
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Speaker 11: is actually the epicenter of the community.
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Speaker 3: Everything goes on your local shopping center.
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Speaker 11: We have sort of, you know, two million visitors a
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Speaker 11: week's one hundred million visits a year to our assets
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Speaker 11: and it's all about making our customers feel comfortable. Our
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Speaker 11: customers want to come and shop there. And we were
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Speaker 11: in the suburbs. We're in the regions, you know, We're
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Speaker 11: in Gladstone, We're in Terralgan, We're in Woollongong where in Nara.
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Speaker 11: We're in the place where mister and missus Joe average
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Speaker 11: is delighted to walk into a shopping center and seeing
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Speaker 11: an Australian flag flying absolutely loudly and absolutely proudly. And
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Speaker 11: last year the buzz around the shopping centers was huge
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Speaker 11: and from a business perspective, Carolyn, our foot traffic and
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Speaker 11: sales on our Australia campaign were absolutely through the roof.
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Speaker 1: Look, it's good to hear because I think corporates deserve
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Speaker 1: to be rewarded for taking sensible, common sense positions that
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Speaker 1: most Australians would have themselves.
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Speaker 2: And you know, we.
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Speaker 1: Often say go we'll go broke and we've seen that
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Speaker 1: backhash to corporations that have virtue signals over this issue.
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Speaker 2: So if there is this.
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Speaker 1: Financial reward in it as well, why do you think
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Speaker 1: so many corporates seem to be capitulating to the activist
23:27
Speaker 1: push against January twenty six.
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Speaker 11: I mean to think that, you know, the corporate's a
23:34
Speaker 11: gun shy on the minority, and at the end of
23:37
Speaker 11: the day, it's the majority of people that actually shop
23:39
Speaker 11: at our shopping centers. It's the majority of the people
23:41
Speaker 11: are going to Cole's, going to Woolies, going to Big W.
23:43
Speaker 11: That's who's coming to shop. They're going to all the
23:45
Speaker 11: specialty shops. Like even if you see the Australian merchandise
23:48
Speaker 11: this week in our shopping centers, the news agents, you know, the.
23:51
Speaker 3: Gift shops everywhere, Cole's.
23:54
Speaker 11: Woolies, big W they're all sells, you know, they're all
23:57
Speaker 11: selling Australia. Australia Day current is serious back in fashion
24:00
Speaker 11: and I unfortunately, in the most horrific of circumstances what
24:04
Speaker 11: happened on the fourteenth of December. The first thing I
24:08
Speaker 11: said to my national head of marketing after the Bondai
24:11
Speaker 11: massacre was Australia Day this.
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Speaker 3: Year is going to be huge.
24:17
Speaker 11: We're going to celebrate it bigger and better than we've
24:20
Speaker 11: ever ever celebrated it, because we just if you cannot
24:24
Speaker 11: respect your country, you know, the govern's always talk about
24:27
Speaker 11: unity and all of this other stuff, right, and all
24:29
Speaker 11: these woke corporations come out with these punchlines out of
24:32
Speaker 11: marketing departments that actually don't happen at the ground level.
24:36
Speaker 11: But ultimately, if you cannot respect your country, you cannot
24:41
Speaker 11: respect then your community, you cannot respect your family. And
24:44
Speaker 11: you look at these families that don't respect each other,
24:46
Speaker 11: they're broken. Look at communities that don't respect each other,
24:49
Speaker 11: they're broken. You look at countries that don't respect their people,
24:53
Speaker 11: citizens don't respect their countries, They're broken countries. We have
24:56
Speaker 11: really been one of the greatest democracies in the world.
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Speaker 11: And I see it as a corporate I said, as
25:02
Speaker 11: an obligation of gratitude and respect and quite frankly, Caroly,
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Speaker 11: good business sense to actually celebrate and respect Australia and
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Speaker 11: Australia Day.
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Speaker 3: And that's the day to celebrate it, like that's the
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Speaker 3: actual day.
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Speaker 11: Whether you like the day being the twenty sixth the
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Speaker 11: January or not, you do not, Carolyn, have an alternative.
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Speaker 3: You have the twenty sixth the January or bust.
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Speaker 1: Well, no one has been able to come up with
25:24
Speaker 1: a good alternative yet that everyone seems to agree on.
25:27
Speaker 2: So that's moot. Look, I agree with you.
25:29
Speaker 1: And speaking of December fourteen, Chris, you were actually one
25:32
Speaker 1: of the first business leaders to push for a Royal
25:35
Speaker 1: commission into the Boni terror attack. You even created a
25:38
Speaker 1: website where Australians could call for one. Later one hundreds
25:42
Speaker 1: more joined the cause too and made their voices heard.
25:46
Speaker 1: Why was it important to you? And do you think
25:49
Speaker 1: now that the government's called one you have faith and
25:51
Speaker 1: how it's actually been set up by the Prime Minister.
25:56
Speaker 3: Two answers.
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Speaker 11: The first one was you know, obviously I love the
25:59
Speaker 11: Jewish community. Of any Jewish friends, you know, the Jewish
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Speaker 11: community as a minority have contributed so much at every
26:06
Speaker 11: level intellectually, morally, philanthropically as a minority group in Australia.
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Speaker 11: They are, pound for pound, one of the greatest contributors
26:16
Speaker 11: that this country has ever seen. And when that disgusting, filthy,
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Speaker 11: disgusting attack, that massacre, whilst that was the attack on
26:25
Speaker 11: innocent Jewish people celebrating huntaker, Joe average Caroline, mister Joe
26:32
Speaker 11: citizen saw that as an absolute attack on Australia. And
26:36
Speaker 11: I can tell you when we started to run that
26:38
Speaker 11: campaign for business leaders on that Tuesday that Alex Bincore
26:42
Speaker 11: made him on from Vita Shares. Started that we only
26:45
Speaker 11: had seven people seven on the Tuesday, it was after Christmas.
26:50
Speaker 11: By the Friday, there was one hundred and thirty seven,
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Speaker 11: you know, chairman of companies, chairman of banks, you.
26:56
Speaker 3: Know, all the so called wokies.
26:58
Speaker 11: They absolutely dusted the woe bs off and actually came
27:02
Speaker 11: and credit to them. You've got to give credit where
27:04
Speaker 11: credits due. One hundred and thirty seven of those senior
27:07
Speaker 11: business people came out and that led Carolyn to the
27:10
Speaker 11: sports guys coming out, then on the Sunday, the you know,
27:15
Speaker 11: the military and security guys coming out on the Tuesday,
27:18
Speaker 11: and then progressively through in and out the you know,
27:20
Speaker 11: Supreme Court judges, the barristers, et cetera, coming out on
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Speaker 11: the sorry, the previous Thursday. And by that Tuesday afternoon,
27:28
Speaker 11: when the military guys had come out, we knew albin
27:31
Speaker 11: Asy was bust. We knew he was folready had to
27:34
Speaker 11: fold the words going around the street, and thank goodness,
27:37
Speaker 11: there's a royal commission. I just so hope that the
27:41
Speaker 11: terms of reference will be just as strong and protective
27:47
Speaker 11: for the Jewish community.
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Speaker 3: I really pray for that.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, look really well said.
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Speaker 1: Thank you as a member of the Jewish community for
27:53
Speaker 1: your support, and I have no doubt that it was
27:56
Speaker 1: voices like yours and other leading voices from outside our
28:00
Speaker 1: community that helped put the pressure on the government to
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Speaker 1: actually take the right step and call the Rawal Commission.
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Speaker 2: Chris Ghano, thanks so much for your time. Tonight.
28:08
Speaker 1: Still to come fears the government's hate speech laws could
28:12
Speaker 1: be expanded to crack down on all kinds of thought crimes.
28:16
Speaker 2: That and more with our panel next welcome back.
28:24
Speaker 1: First, we've got some breaking news. Pro Palestinin protesters are
28:27
Speaker 1: planning to gather on Friday at Sydney's Town Hall opposing
28:32
Speaker 1: Premier Chrismins's governments recently introduced to anti protest laws. The rally,
28:37
Speaker 1: which has scheduled scheduled for six pm, will also demand
28:42
Speaker 1: the cancelation of a planned visit by Israeli President Isaac Hertzog. Now,
28:48
Speaker 1: if this protest goes ahead, it will be stage during
28:52
Speaker 1: what is the current two week ban on such types
28:55
Speaker 1: of events, which doesn't expire until Tuesday, the twin of January,
29:00
Speaker 1: so Tuesday next week. Police have told Sky News this
29:04
Speaker 1: evening that they plan to formally respond tomorrow, but have
29:08
Speaker 1: stated that during this time, no public assemblies can be
29:12
Speaker 1: authorized under the Summary Offenses Act nineteen eighty eight, so
29:16
Speaker 1: protesters wouldn't be protected by that act. Police could move
29:21
Speaker 1: in and move people on and arrest them far more
29:23
Speaker 1: easily than they would with a protest that does have permission. Look,
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Speaker 1: let's get to our panel now, and joining me Tonin
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Speaker 1: is Sky News contributor Louise Roberts and Cheap Economists at
29:33
Speaker 1: the Institute of Public Affairs Adam Crichton. Welcome both of you.
29:38
Speaker 1: Let's start with Anthony Albanesi's hate speech reforms and Multicultural
29:43
Speaker 1: Affairs Minister Anne Ali has said the government is open
29:47
Speaker 1: to criminalizing other forms of hate like Islamophobia and homophobia
29:53
Speaker 1: after the Anti Semitism Feel passes, She told The Australian.
29:58
Speaker 1: Once the Combating Anti Semitism, Hate and Extremism Bill passes
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Speaker 1: through Parliament, the government is open to considering extending the
30:06
Speaker 1: protections to.
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Speaker 2: Other forms of hate.
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Speaker 1: Now, Adam, there has been this concern that these laws,
30:12
Speaker 1: which I would argue are needed in some respect to
30:16
Speaker 1: protect the Jewish community, could be exploited or broadened to
30:21
Speaker 1: criminalize other kinds of speech or thought crime. And now
30:25
Speaker 1: it seems like Annali is belling the cat here.
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Speaker 3: Well, look, that doesn't really surprise me at all.
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Speaker 9: I mean, I think the truth is these are laws
30:35
Speaker 9: that elements of the Labor Party would have liked to
30:37
Speaker 9: have passed even before the atrocity of Bondi last year.
30:40
Speaker 9: These are totalitarian laws. In my view, it's a dark
30:43
Speaker 9: day for free speech in Australia. If these laws are passed,
30:46
Speaker 9: they're going to criminalize a great deal of behavior that
30:49
Speaker 9: I think will shop people, and the laws will be
30:52
Speaker 9: implemented arbitrarily, and you know, I think it should be
30:56
Speaker 9: opposed completely. Look, it doesn't surprise me that they want
30:59
Speaker 9: to that they want to expand the scope.
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Speaker 3: I mean, the law as it's drafted at.
31:03
Speaker 9: The moment basically criminalizes a form of conduct if some
31:08
Speaker 9: hypothetical so called a reasonable person could be intimidated. There
31:11
Speaker 9: doesn't actually have to be any harm caused by a
31:14
Speaker 9: statement or a slogan or a T shirt even or
31:17
Speaker 9: a comment on Facebook. These would be criminal acts if
31:21
Speaker 9: people could, in theory feel intimidated based on the nationality
31:24
Speaker 9: or religion. So I think we have to be very
31:27
Speaker 9: very careful before we pass these laws, and the laws
31:30
Speaker 9: will be even worse if they are extended as you
31:32
Speaker 9: suggest to other groups. You know, we already have toughened laws.
31:35
Speaker 9: The new South Wales Parliament, the Victorian Parliament last year
31:38
Speaker 9: passed very tough laws for hate speech and for incitement
31:41
Speaker 9: to violence, which of course is already illegal, and the
31:44
Speaker 9: Federal Parliament did as well, and of course those laws
31:46
Speaker 9: did absolutely nothing to stop the atrocity at Bondi last year.
31:50
Speaker 9: And I don't think these new laws will either. They're
31:52
Speaker 9: just going to criminalize a lot of behavior and chill speech.
31:55
Speaker 9: They're probably going to end comedy as we know it,
31:57
Speaker 9: so it won't just be the Adelaide Festival, it'll be
32:01
Speaker 9: the Melbourne Comedy Festival as well that has ended because
32:04
Speaker 9: you won't be able to make any jokes.
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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, although a lot of I think the jokes
32:08
Speaker 1: that happened at these comedy festivals tend to all run
32:11
Speaker 1: one way politically, so I mean, you know, maybe there's
32:14
Speaker 1: no great absence there, but no, I think you're right
32:16
Speaker 1: there is a very chilling aspect to it, and we
32:19
Speaker 1: do have tough laws. We already had incitement to violence
32:23
Speaker 1: laws and these were never tested you know, much to
32:27
Speaker 1: the frustration of the Jewish community, they weren't tested the
32:30
Speaker 1: ones that we did.
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Speaker 3: As you say, yeah, exactly right, they should be enforced.
32:36
Speaker 1: Exactly and Luis, look, speaking of hate speech and incitement
32:40
Speaker 1: to violence, the Al Medina Dhawa Center, the Southwest Sydney
32:43
Speaker 1: Prayer Hall, which has been linked to one of the
32:46
Speaker 1: Bondli gunmen and once was led by the Jihads hate
32:51
Speaker 1: preacher with some Hadad, will close its doors permanently. This
32:56
Speaker 1: was an announcement that came today after the New South
32:59
Speaker 1: Wales Prayer had earlier announced a suit of new laws
33:02
Speaker 1: making it easier for local councils to shut down non
33:05
Speaker 1: compliant religious spaces. I guess the question that Luiz is
33:09
Speaker 1: how on earth was this place able to operate with
33:12
Speaker 1: such impunity for so long.
33:15
Speaker 8: Well, they're too afraid to affect certain members of the community,
33:18
Speaker 8: aren't they, Caroline. They're worried about their voter base, I guess.
33:21
Speaker 8: And look, these are poison factories that should have been
33:23
Speaker 8: shut down a long long time ago, as you say,
33:25
Speaker 8: should have even been operating under the auspices that it was.
33:29
Speaker 8: And I think the government what they're trying to do
33:31
Speaker 8: is federally is trying to get these new hate speech
33:34
Speaker 8: laws through without actually defining what hate is and the
33:38
Speaker 8: things that actually really upset the Jewish community, the globalizing,
33:42
Speaker 8: the infidata and things like that. It's not even going
33:44
Speaker 8: to tackle that. And you've got the you know, the
33:46
Speaker 8: Commission for the AFP, Chrissy Barrett saying that even she
33:49
Speaker 8: can't guarantee one hundred percent safety if the law is
33:52
Speaker 8: actually put through. So it's an absolute mess because nobody's
33:56
Speaker 8: happy with it. I don't think the Jewish community is
33:58
Speaker 8: happy with it. Muslims are saying it doesn't protect them,
34:01
Speaker 8: and you've got Christians saying it's going to be, you know,
34:04
Speaker 8: punishment for religious beliefs, as Adam says. So it's you know,
34:08
Speaker 8: it's a disaster already.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and it was. It seems so rushed.
34:12
Speaker 1: I mean, hundreds of pages of legislation that was rushed
34:15
Speaker 1: through and it could potentially open the door for these
34:18
Speaker 1: chilling effects. But at the same time, as a member
34:20
Speaker 1: of that Jewish community, I want the government to do
34:23
Speaker 1: more about this. Look the anti Israel academic at the
34:26
Speaker 1: center of the Adelaide Writers Week implosion, she's launched defamation
34:31
Speaker 1: action against South Australian Premier Peter Malinowskis writing on Instagram,
34:36
Speaker 1: he made a public statement that suggests that I am
34:38
Speaker 1: an extremist terrorist sympathizer and directly linked me to the
34:42
Speaker 1: Bondi atrocity.
34:43
Speaker 2: This was a vicious personal assault.
34:46
Speaker 1: On me, a private citizen, by the highest public official
34:49
Speaker 1: in South Australia. It was defamatory and it terrified me.
34:53
Speaker 1: But curiously and I played more of this interview at
34:56
Speaker 1: the top of the show. Randa abdel Fata did a
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Speaker 1: podcast with Jan Fran and Antonettlatoff, two former ABC presenters,
35:06
Speaker 1: and she appears to have been made comments that don't
35:09
Speaker 1: exactly support free speech and reiterate her call for the
35:14
Speaker 1: end of Israel.
35:15
Speaker 2: Take a look.
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Speaker 7: I will not answer to them. I want to explain
35:19
Speaker 7: or justify why I said those comments. Why is it
35:21
Speaker 7: that I called for the end of a settler colony.
35:23
Speaker 7: I won't be tone policed, you know. I won't have
35:26
Speaker 7: the outrage mob deny me my rage and my grief.
35:29
Speaker 2: So she won't be tone police to Adam.
35:31
Speaker 1: But she also said free speech isn't equal and she
35:34
Speaker 1: doesn't want to see Zionus being platform and they again
35:37
Speaker 1: she said they had no right to cultural safety.
35:39
Speaker 2: Do you think the.
35:40
Speaker 1: Premiere should be worried about legal action from this person?
35:45
Speaker 3: Well, look, I don't think so.
35:46
Speaker 9: Of course, she has every right to sue and probably
35:49
Speaker 9: burn through tens of thousands of dollars doing so if
35:51
Speaker 9: she wants to. But my understanding of the law is
35:53
Speaker 9: that truth is a defense in defamation cases, and she
35:56
Speaker 9: did make some very extreme comments in my view, through
35:59
Speaker 9: her tweets and her public comments. So I think the
36:01
Speaker 9: fact that she's upset for being characterized as an extremist, well,
36:05
Speaker 9: I think most people would say that she probably.
36:06
Speaker 2: Is an extremist.
36:07
Speaker 9: So that's going to have to be tested in court.
36:09
Speaker 9: But if I was the premier, you know, I don't
36:11
Speaker 9: think i'd be too too worried about this case.
36:13
Speaker 1: No, he doesn't seem to be either, and I would
36:15
Speaker 1: suggest to him exhibit number one, the picture she posted
36:18
Speaker 1: of Palestinian paragliders on October seventh.
36:22
Speaker 2: Bring that up and the truth defense. Louise.
36:24
Speaker 1: Meanwhile, the former director of the now canceled Adelaide Writers Week,
36:28
Speaker 1: Louise Adler, unleashed on the festival's board in an appearance
36:32
Speaker 1: on the ABC's seven point thirty program last night. It
36:36
Speaker 1: follows the controversy obviously to acts abdel Fata from the
36:40
Speaker 1: program that led to the mass walk out of other
36:42
Speaker 1: writers and the resignation of half the board.
36:44
Speaker 2: Let's take a look at what Louise Atla said.
36:47
Speaker 6: It proved to be untenable. I think when we look
36:51
Speaker 6: back on this history, we will see a masterclass in
36:55
Speaker 6: poor governance, an act of cultural vandalism. Twen one hundred
37:01
Speaker 6: and eighty writers said we will not support censorship, Louise.
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Speaker 1: I think that Louis Adler herself trashed the festival by
37:10
Speaker 1: stacking it over the years with far left Israel bashing
37:13
Speaker 1: voices and frankly, abdol Farte should never have been given
37:16
Speaker 1: a platform in the first place, of course not.
37:18
Speaker 8: And the taxpayers in South Australia didn't want to pay
37:21
Speaker 8: for that either, and that's why the premier has backed
37:24
Speaker 8: in the decision to remove her from the actual festival itself.
37:28
Speaker 8: And I think that, you know, again, we have these
37:30
Speaker 8: intellectuals who are playing the victim card when they're actually
37:33
Speaker 8: held to account for the things they say and the
37:35
Speaker 8: decisions they make are like hiring this woman to speak
37:38
Speaker 8: at the festival they're suddenly the victim and that they're
37:41
Speaker 8: the free speech you know exactly that they're free speech
37:45
Speaker 8: is in peril because they've been called out for what
37:48
Speaker 8: they're actually doing, which is all about headlines and publicity
37:51
Speaker 8: and driving sort of controversy for something which is meant
37:55
Speaker 8: to be about books and authors. I mean, there's been
37:57
Speaker 8: noodles or comments and people saying I wish the Writer's
37:59
Speaker 8: Festival could go back to being about you know, books
38:02
Speaker 8: and what I should read, rather than this platform for
38:05
Speaker 8: you know, hate and the business and you know, these
38:08
Speaker 8: intellectuals who think they can tell us how to live
38:10
Speaker 8: and what we should be reading and what we should
38:12
Speaker 8: be thinking.
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Speaker 2: Moreover, Yeah, amen to that.
38:15
Speaker 1: I'd like to see some nice happy books these writers Festivals. Forwards,
38:19
Speaker 1: Adam Cridon, Lewis Roberts, thank you so much for your time.
38:22
Speaker 2: Still to come.
38:23
Speaker 1: The brilliant Brendan O'Neill on why he feels sorry for
38:26
Speaker 1: left wing activists who are silent about Iran.
38:30
Speaker 2: That's next.
38:36
Speaker 1: Welcome back joining me now is Spike chief political writer
38:39
Speaker 1: Brendan O'Neill. Brendan, it's always great.
38:42
Speaker 2: To see you.
38:42
Speaker 1: Let's start with the Iran protest now you've written another
38:46
Speaker 1: powerful piece for The Spectator, calling out the shameful silence
38:50
Speaker 1: from the usual left wing activists who would march every
38:54
Speaker 1: week on Gaza. You say, the moral caution of progressives
38:58
Speaker 1: as the young of Iran for their lives shows just
39:02
Speaker 1: how corrupting the ideology of political correctness has been. How
39:06
Speaker 1: else to explain that we are witnessing one of the
39:08
Speaker 1: most important feminist revolts in history, and yet many feminists
39:14
Speaker 1: are silent. Brendan, But you start the piece I have
39:18
Speaker 1: to say with saying that you feel sorry for these progressives.
39:21
Speaker 2: Why is that?
39:23
Speaker 4: Well, I feel a little bit sorry for them. I
39:25
Speaker 4: wouldn't go overboard with that too much, because I feel
39:29
Speaker 4: sorry for them because they are so lost in the
39:31
Speaker 4: maze of moral relativism that they can't even get excited
39:36
Speaker 4: about one of the most important uprisings in modern times.
39:39
Speaker 4: That's the truth of it. And of course we have
39:41
Speaker 4: to temper our excitement with the fact that there are
39:44
Speaker 4: horrible things happening in Iran. The theocratic regime is cramping
39:48
Speaker 4: down in an extraordinary way. It's horrible, but the people
39:51
Speaker 4: there are staggeringly brave. They are taking to the streets
39:55
Speaker 4: every single day to challenge the Islamists that rule over them,
39:59
Speaker 4: and the left in West is silent. As you say, feminists,
40:02
Speaker 4: this is an important feminist revolution. Women are throwing off
40:05
Speaker 4: their hit jobs and fighting for their rights, and many
40:08
Speaker 4: Western feminists are saying nothing. The human rights lobby is
40:11
Speaker 4: pretty much silent. The left who marched every single weekend
40:14
Speaker 4: with kafirs around their neck saying free Gaza, have nothing
40:18
Speaker 4: whatsoever to say about this revolt against the theocratic tyranny.
40:22
Speaker 4: Their hypocrisy and double standards have been exposed for the
40:25
Speaker 4: whole world to see. We now know they don't give
40:29
Speaker 4: a damn about people in the Middle East. They only
40:31
Speaker 4: care about hating Israel. That's what strives driving those people.
40:35
Speaker 1: Oh, you are so right, and I just told you
40:37
Speaker 1: as just a few minutes ago. This breaking news that
40:40
Speaker 1: there's a protest being planned for the center of our
40:43
Speaker 1: city here in Sydney this weekend. It's not though for Iran.
40:48
Speaker 1: It is a pro Palestine protest where they are going
40:52
Speaker 1: to be protesting their right to chant globalize, the Intervada
40:55
Speaker 1: and against a planned visit from the Israeli president. So
40:58
Speaker 1: exactly what you're saying here. Look, let's talk about the
41:01
Speaker 1: BBC because it is preparing to challenge the ten billion
41:04
Speaker 1: dollar defamation lawsuit far by the US President Donald Trump.
41:09
Speaker 2: The public broadcaster is arguing its.
41:11
Speaker 1: Panorama program did not air in the United States, the
41:15
Speaker 1: piece was edited without malice, and that it didn't cause
41:18
Speaker 1: President Trump any real damage.
41:20
Speaker 2: Let's remind ourselves.
41:22
Speaker 1: Quickly of the BBC's edit compared to the raw clip
41:25
Speaker 1: of Trump's speech.
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Speaker 5: We're going to walk down and I'll be there with you,
41:32
Speaker 5: because you'll never take back our country with weakness. You
41:36
Speaker 5: have to show strength, and you have to be strong.
41:39
Speaker 5: And we're going to walk down to the capital and
41:44
Speaker 5: we're going to cheer on our brave senators and congressmen
41:50
Speaker 5: and women.
41:51
Speaker 1: Brendan, do you think the BBC's defense has any Merit?
41:56
Speaker 4: Absolutely not. I mean, in my view, that edit was
42:00
Speaker 4: entirely malicious. And let's just remind ourselves this was a
42:04
Speaker 4: praved levels of propagandistic manipulation what the BBC did to Trump.
42:09
Speaker 4: They spliced together two completely different sections of his speech
42:13
Speaker 4: to make it look like he was calling for violence
42:15
Speaker 4: against the Capitol, which and he did no such thing.
42:18
Speaker 4: So this was extraordinary dishonesty and the head of the
42:20
Speaker 4: BBC had to resign over it, and also the head
42:23
Speaker 4: of the BBC News. So this is a very serious matter. Indeed,
42:27
Speaker 4: the reason I say it was a malicious edit is
42:30
Speaker 4: because the BBC is absolutely riddled with Trump derangement syndrome.
42:35
Speaker 4: The BBC is the beating heart of Trump derangement syndrome
42:39
Speaker 4: in the whole continent of Europe. They are constantly peddling
42:43
Speaker 4: either misinformation or just hyperbole about Trump and how evil
42:46
Speaker 4: he is and how wicked he is. So we know
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Speaker 4: for a fact that when they did that edit, they
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Speaker 4: knew what they were doing. They knew they were going
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Speaker 4: to stitch him up, and they knew they were going
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Speaker 4: to harm him in some way. So my view is
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Speaker 4: the BBC hasn't got a leg to stand on. It
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Speaker 4: really dig this hole for itself and it's going to
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Speaker 4: be very hard for it to get out.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Well, we have a very similar situation here, as you know,
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Speaker 1: with our Australian public broadcast at the ABC. Now before
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Speaker 1: you go, there are reports the British government has dropped
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Speaker 1: plans requiring workers to sign up to its digital ID
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Speaker 1: scheme in order to prove their right to work in
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Speaker 1: the UK. The conservative leader can be badenog has called
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Speaker 1: it terrible policy. Brendan, do you agree with that?
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Speaker 4: Yeah, it was an awful policy. It was an authoritarian policy,
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Speaker 4: which is quite typical of Kirs Starmer. He's a pretty
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Speaker 4: authoritarian prime minister. But you know the worst thing about
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Speaker 4: the ID cards idea is that it was just a
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Speaker 4: way of avoiding tackling the real problem, which is our
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Speaker 4: broken borders. You know, because they can't control our borders
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Speaker 4: and control who comes into this country, they had to
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Speaker 4: clamp down on the rest of us by bringing in
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Speaker 4: ID cards so that no one could work illegally. This
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Speaker 4: is the story of twenty first century Britain. They can't
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Speaker 4: control the borders, so instead they police all of us,
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Speaker 4: the entire population, to make sure no one is working
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Speaker 4: in a way that they shouldn't be. We have to
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Speaker 4: tackle the boats coming on our shores. Every single day,
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Speaker 4: around seven hundred and fifty mostly young men, rock up
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Speaker 4: on England shores from foreign countries, and it seems our
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Speaker 4: government can do nothing about that. It's become a real crisis,
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Speaker 4: and the ID card scheme was just a way of
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Speaker 4: avoiding that. Truth.
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Speaker 1: Brendon and O'Neil always great to chat. Thank you for
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Speaker 1: your time. Still to come. Tonight we'll look at a
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Speaker 1: US university's banished words for twenty twenty six with Col Richards.
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Speaker 2: Here's a clue what tops the list.
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Speaker 1: Well, joining me now is journalist and author Kel Richards. Kel,
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Speaker 1: You've got some interesting words for us today from a
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Speaker 1: Michigan university's list of its top ten banished words for
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Speaker 1: twenty twenty six. Now, these are the words that are
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Speaker 1: considered so overused and irritating that researchers have decided they
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Speaker 1: should be taken out of our vocabularies.
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Speaker 2: All to get and no surprises. I think hell. But
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Speaker 2: the number one.
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Speaker 1: Word, which isn't really a word, it's a phrase, is
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Speaker 1: six seven, or as the young people say, six seven Yes,
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Speaker 1: and it's.
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Speaker 2: A slogan that's even popular with our own prime minister.
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Speaker 12: Have a look, Oh, you'll have local kids stand up
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Speaker 12: and they'll say six seven six seven, it's a big thing,
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Speaker 12: striving teacher's crazy.
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Speaker 1: Well, look, I think a lot of people will be
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Speaker 1: happy to see the back of that one.
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Speaker 2: Have we gotten to the bottom of what it actually means?
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Speaker 13: Though, yes, it means so so so these are meant
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Speaker 13: to be scales that you're weighing something. It's so so,
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Speaker 13: it's okay, but it's not brilliant. It comes to an
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Speaker 13: American basketball player named LaMelo Ball, who is very flashy
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Speaker 13: and very popular. But he's not Michael Jordan. He's just
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Speaker 13: so so he's okay, and he is six feet seven
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Speaker 13: inches tall. Wow, that's his height. And it's mentioned in
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Speaker 13: a rap song that put the phrase into the kid's vocabulary.
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Speaker 2: Do you know what.
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Speaker 1: I've asked a lot of kids about this, because now
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Speaker 1: my young kids have been taught this phrase, so I
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Speaker 1: hear it in my household, and none of them have
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Speaker 1: been able to give me an explanation. I'm going to
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Speaker 1: replay them this bit of my interview Kellen and show
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Speaker 1: them what it really means. Okay, So another term gift
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Speaker 1: or gifted when used as a verb, as in I
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Speaker 1: gifted her this book. To put it in a sentence,
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Speaker 1: that's a pet peeve of mine.
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Speaker 13: Yes, that's right, and this is worth nagging people about
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Speaker 13: and losing friends over. It's really really bad English. It's
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Speaker 13: a noun and which have been turned into a verb,
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Speaker 13: which is okay. We do that a lot in the
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Speaker 13: English language, but we already have a verb the verb
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Speaker 13: to give, so I gave it to her, not I
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Speaker 13: gifted it to her. Use the verb don't borrow a
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Speaker 13: nown you don't need.
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Speaker 2: No, there's so many examples of this.
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Speaker 1: I mean, I know this is not on the list,
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Speaker 1: but if I hear one more gym instructor or yoga
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Speaker 1: instructor to say to close.
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Speaker 2: Down your eyes, just close your eyes.
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Speaker 1: That would be my suggestion. Look, what about the word massive?
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Speaker 1: What's wrong with that one?
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Speaker 13: Massive has been overused, It has been massively overused. It
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Speaker 13: means big. It doesn't mean good. But you know, you
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Speaker 13: say to a kid who's a fan of the Thunders,
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Speaker 13: what do you think about the Thunders winning the Big
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Speaker 13: Bash last night? He said, Oh, massive, he means it's good. No, No,
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Speaker 13: it's wrong. It's been massively overused. Stop using it, drop
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Speaker 13: it from the vocabulary.
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Speaker 2: Okay, what about perfect?
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Speaker 1: I mean these list makers have decided perfect is far
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Speaker 1: from it.
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Speaker 13: Well, well, the problem is people use it in conversation
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Speaker 13: so it makes an awful Look. I can't I can't
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Speaker 13: actually give you the special pen you wanted. But he's
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Speaker 13: a blue one. Ah, perfect, you say, no, it's satisfactory,
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Speaker 13: it's okay, it's a subsidtution.
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Speaker 3: It's not perfect.
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Speaker 13: Nothing much is perfect in this world, so it's a
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Speaker 13: really bad response, even when you're trying to be positive.
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Speaker 1: Well, they say perfect is the enemy of good, so
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Speaker 1: in this case, it's the enemy of big research called English.
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Speaker 2: Yeah right, okay.
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Speaker 1: And you know when someone says they made a mistake,
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Speaker 1: they might say, oh.
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Speaker 2: My bad. Well apparently hell that's out too. But maybe
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Speaker 2: this is my bad. But what's wrong with my bad?
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Speaker 13: It is bad English to start with. My mistake is
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Speaker 13: what they're trying to say. My mistake is perfectly normal,
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Speaker 13: correct English grammar. You don't need to say my bad,
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Speaker 13: which was invented in America by people who are only
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Speaker 13: slightly attached to the English language and are not terribly
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Speaker 13: familiar with it. It's been banned before, was banned in nineteen
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Speaker 13: ninety eight. It's come back on the list again because
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Speaker 13: it keeps coming back and it keeps irritating as every
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Speaker 13: time it does.
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Speaker 2: Well perfect.
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Speaker 1: Thanks for my massive interview Kel six seven, col Rich,
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Speaker 1: It's wonderful to have them one as always, and thank
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Speaker 1: you for your company.
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Speaker 2: To night.
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Speaker 1: You'll see me again right here tomorrow night at six
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Speaker 1: KEL will be hosting the late debate at eight but
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