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2025 Hokies Preview Panel: Segment 2 · Boundary Corner Podcast

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  None. And we are back with the
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  second-half of tonight's panel. All we got 3 Rocky crazy.
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  I got a feeling section Section 1 was a little pain even though
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  they got proud in near the end there, but with these guys here,
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  I love them all. Great to see you all again
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  fellas from 2 DPB tale from the Terradon band.
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  He is unaffiliated but he is everybody's favorite Hokie
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  Twitter follower, Grayson Wimbush.
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  Fellas, how are y'all tonight? Doing good, ready for it?
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  Man can't complain, just happy to be here, you know?
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  It's it's Christmas, fellas. You know, I look forward to this
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  podcast every year. This day is right here is
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  special. I got to I got to say this is a
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  fun group. So stoked.
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  Let's get into it. This is Grace.
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  I think you are the elder statesman here.
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  You've been. You've made all four of these.
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  Or I've made a college experience out of this.
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  I'm thrilled. I shout out to you guys.
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  I mean, they'll do incredible work.
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  Dan does incredible work. Pete and Sam over at 2D do
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  incredible work. I think this this Deus right
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  here definitely is a little bit a little bit more of loose
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  cannons than the than the previous gentleman.
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  So absolutely, absolutely thrilled to be here, guys.
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  Little more. Nothing to lose.
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  Let, let let it fly. See that's.
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  Right. Well, Tally, let's get it
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  started, man, because we got a bunch of stuff to ask these
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  guys. Let's roll.
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  Well, you that you good. Yeah, definitely, man.
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  I was trying to get my yeah, I was trying to get my stuff all
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  fixed back like it was supposed to be.
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  Yeah. So I'll get it started, guys.
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  And just going to say. You know.
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  There we go. We'll get to the state of the
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  program in December. When we get to the state of the
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  program in December, which D lineman will y'all say we'll be
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  talking about Rex Shop this year?
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  We're talking interior or all together.
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  Whatever you want, you can be in JC.
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  'S room who who do did the work? Yeah, you can throw whatever you
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  want out I'm. Going to say the ginger freak
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  dog James the junk one. You got something behind that.
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  You got a reason for us. I mean he.
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  Just the I. Bring the heat, Dan.
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  You know, the the energy had him on the pod really like what he
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  had to say, like where his head was.
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  I think him and Ben, not Ben Brown, he's a pitcher for the
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  Cubs. But the other Ben, the other
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  Ginger, yeah, Ben Bell, they're going to have, I think they're
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  going to, you know, I think we have some guys in the middle.
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  They're going to clog it up. And I think that that that
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  Cephus is going to set those two dudes up to raise hell.
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  Grayson, what you got on this one?
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  Dude, I'm going to say I I really am excited about North
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  Dakota State transfer Cody Huseman.
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  Pardon me, did I butcher that? I'm we're going to learn his
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  name. I'm pull.
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  The Curtis, you pull the Curtis, it's all good.
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  It's it's all good. It's Heisman.
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  Heisman, right? Like like the is it?
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  Actually, Heisman is. That Heisman but not spell the
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  same. Not spell the same, but it's
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  pronounced like Heisman, yeah. Cody Heisman.
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  So yeah, but on the on the defensive line, I'm actually,
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  I'd seen just some of some of the pictures on Instagram.
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  He just kind of seems like he he came to Tech because of JC
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  Price, really likes Coach Price. I think resonates with his game
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  a lot and just kind of reminds me of those those old lunch bell
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  defense guys back in the 90s. He played for Coach Foster's
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  defense. So I'm I'm excited to see that
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  that young man play football. I will pick up what Dan said and
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  go with Ben Bell instead of Dejonkum.
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  I probably would have taken Dejonkum first just because of
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  the production he put on the field at Eastern Michigan.
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  I believe it was as a linebacker, but I think his size
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  and speed he will play really well.
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  But I'll go with Ben Bell. Very productive as a defensive
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  lineman a couple years back at Texas State.
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  Had an injury last year but he put believe it was 10 sacks and
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  16 TfL on the field in 13 games for Texas State.
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  Yep, I worry a little bit about the injuries.
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  He had a nagging injury in the spring.
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  He was in a maybe a shoulder sling or something in the fall.
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  But if he's on the field, that guy will produce.
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  JC Price has a tendency to get the most out of these transfers,
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  even in year 1. Peebles and APR both got drafted
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  because of their play at Virginia Tech.
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  And so Ben Bell I think could be the next guy there.
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  There's some other like interesting names.
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  And I, I love what I think it was what Grayson just said, Like
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  Heisman's going to play a lot of snaps.
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  Like he as probably as a backup because it's it's Gilliam and
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  Copeland in the first string. But what JC Price when he got
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  giddy in that one moment in the post practice thing where he was
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  talking about Copeland and how he could be a dominant player.
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  He's high up on my list as well. Yeah.
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  I mean, it was interesting. So we had we, we had John come
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  on couple weeks back and I mean, talking to him, that's a
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  football player that, that, that's the type of like swag and
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  confidence and ability that I think we, we, we really want
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  from that position. So I'm really excited to see
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  what he kind of brings to the table.
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  Curtis, I'll let you kick off this next one here.
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  Can I add to that real quick? My fault.
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  Yeah, yeah, you're not allowed. You had your damn chance.
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  Hey, bro, look, man, you know, Yeah.
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  Well, I want to say the kid grew up in Northern Virginia, been a
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  Tech fan, didn't get an offer, ended up going the JUCO route,
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  Did the JUCO grind. Ended up at Arizona State.
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  Liked it, but realized like, hey, I need to go somewhere when
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  I enter the portal that I can play.
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  Went to Eastern Michigan, he balled out there and then he
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  finally gets a chance to come home and all his family gets to
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  come watch him now that like APR had a similar path.
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  I mean, he went to Florida and came back.
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  But like, I like these Virginia kids that come back that really
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  want to put on for the home state and it's their last chance
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  to make it to the league. I think that that dude is going
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  to go crazy this year. I like what you just said there,
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  Virginia kids coming back home and and we we've been talking
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  about the edge guys and guys we feel like are going to make like
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  ruffle noise. But for the first time in a long
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  time, look at Emmanuel Hitman, 6 foot three, about 310 lbs
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  Metolica kid. South side here, Grayson.
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  You know what I'm talking about, Brian, to think about that like
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  being like like that rebuild and knowing what we've seen from
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  saying. We're losing you just a a little
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  bit there. We don't have you there, bud.
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  Can you hear me now? Yeah.
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  Yeah, yeah. Lean in.
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  Microphone trying to adjust to it.
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  The old one was crazy, but with that sort of meat on the inside
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  and it's like why are we talking about them wrecking shop?
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  Well, if they're keeping the bars on the back end clean and
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  they're able to take double s where it's junk them and Bell
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  coming off where it's like we still, we have to worry about
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  these guys. That is exactly why I'm excited
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  about him maybe more than anybody.
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  Just sheer size. All right, let's go to the
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  running backroom. We got a bunch.
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  It's not a depth issue. Let's hope that God that it is
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  not a usage issue like last year because there were usage issues.
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  We can get to the Syracuse game that piss everybody off, but
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  let's not do that. Who's going to have the most
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  yard from scrimmage, PB? You know, if it had been
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  yesterday, I would have said Terry on Stewart, but now I'm
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  here and he's in a boot. Sometimes this boot stuff is
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  just literally to protect it while they're healing and he'll
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  be out of it in a day and then it's fine.
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  But bully, as they call him, Terry on Stewart broke almost as
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  many tackles as Ashton Gente. And two years ago, his broken
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  tackles per carry rate was through the goddamn roof.
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  Like this guy is hard to bring down.
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  He had a sensational year for Bowling Green.
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  And if fully healthy. And I I think that's what's
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  bothering Pry a little bit is that he has had these Nicks and
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  like, you know how some coaches are like they're harder on the
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  guy if he comes in and maybe gets a twisted ankle and then
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  like, he's not what what he thought he was.
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  He wants he's he's grinding on him a little bit.
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  Like even in the commentary and one of the post practice things
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  he said like, yeah, he he needs to prove a little something and
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  iffully healthy. He would be our lead back.
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  But I'll I'll go with him. I won't steal another guy.
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  I will still say Terrian Stewart will lead us in yardage this
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  year. I'm going Marcellus Hawkins, and
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  I know he's D2. What he played at school and
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  their mascot. What were they?
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  The mules. And what do mules do?
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  They fucking work, baby. And that's what he's gonna do.
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  He's gonna pull the plow. He's gonna he's gonna will us to
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  victory and this dude like the the the look, I don't I tried
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  not to really get too much into the offseason hype and all the
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  videos, but that hurdle it moved me.
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  I it I was bricked brother like straight up like ready.
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  Yeah, like let's go. Marcellus Hawkins.
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  I like his energy got a lot to prove potential further 2 year
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  waiver don't know yet. This year counts the most if
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  Terry and Stewart's in a boot need to get him out of it boot
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  scooping boogie. You could say we got we got a
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  big game next week against the Cox.
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  You know it's just time like let's get it doggy.
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  It's time like Marcellus Hawkins next man up RV one.
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  Let's roll, baby. Dan, if you that bricked up, you
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  need to get to that Atlanta strip club fast, man.
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  Magic City, they got great wings.
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  You. Gotta get your you gotta get
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  your mind right. If you bricked up in Atlanta,
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  I'll tell you that right now. I talked to Dwight Howard.
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  Dan's got the George Costanza. Think it moved.
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  Hey, we're not doing this shit this year where we're asking
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  about the prettiest girls on some college campus talking
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  about being bricked up in Atlanta.
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  I remember that last year, Tally.
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  I remember that you asked Dan and I some freaky shit.
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  Dan froze. Man, Dan, it was like, what,
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  Arizona State? Maybe I don't.
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  Know. Jeremiah Kony, gentlemen, new #4
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  on offense, excited to see him play.
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  And then also, I mean, it kind of makes me wonder.
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  I mean, there's there's Tyler Mason as well.
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  We see any, any glimmers of Jeff Everton?
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  Don't know, but you know, yeah, we'll, we'll see.
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  He's. He's cleared.
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  I I think it's more of a working him all all the way back from
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  that injury from the offseason and whether he's going to get
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  any burn as a result of the depth that's out there.
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  But I mean, I think, you know, obviously talent wise, he's
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  going to be that guy. Just will this be, will it be
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  his turn this year? I guess kind of kind of wait and
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  see for sure. Braylon Bennett, Brayden
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  Bennett, I should say, deserves a mention a maybe a guy out of
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  the backfield. He's from coastal, kind of a
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  hybrid role. He could do a little bit of both
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  and they like him a lot. And in terms of like PFF
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  ratings, he was a highly rated guy as well and per touch.
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  And so is the is the three headed monster Bennett, Stewart
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  and Hawkins? Or is it Stewart, Hawkins and
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  Coney? I I don't know but probably
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  wants to have three. Yeah, PJ also should get some
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  looks in there, I would think, judging by what he did before he
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  got hurt. But who knows He.
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  Had that great run against Miami in in that game.
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  Yeah. Phantom Hold.
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  Phantom Hold. Unreal.
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  Yeah. Yeah, unbelievable.
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  Very. Very luck last year behind in
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  the running back field, like if Prelo hadn't gotten hurt at the
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  time that he got hurt, we needed a back because Toton was banged
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  up like he really could have had like it it could have emerged
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  had he not gotten hurt. I I was disappointed to.
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  You mean ran the ball more than like 6 times versus Clemson?
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  Dude, I I still can't believe we didn't give the ball.
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  Coney averaged like what, like 7 yards a carry against Syracuse
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  and they they didn't give him 10?
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  Sorry. 9.6 A carry against Syracuse.
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  And he didn't get a single carry against Clemson, a team that
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  can't defend the run. I I still am not over it.
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  I'm not over. It we're not allegedly,
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  allegedly, Coney pulled his hamming that week during
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  practice. So no, because they put him on.
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  The name. Dan, you go back to that game,
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  they put him on the field a few times.
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  If if he had that port of hand me they wouldn't have did that.
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  He. Said he broke his hand or
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  something, something. You never know, man.
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  They had so many injuries and stuff and they happened.
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  I know that they're there, but. We shouldn't have lost the
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  Syracuse. We shouldn't have lost the
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  friggin Syracuse. Shouldn't have lost the
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  Vanderbilt either, but we didn't keep going.
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  Yeah, we keep going. We keep going.
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  Shelton, you're up next. Man cost these boys a bone.
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  See if you can get them to fight.
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  Yeah, let's talk, Let's talk defensive back.
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  So we got a couple rooms here. First off, cornerbacks, incoming
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  transfers, Isaiah Brown, Murray, commonly referred to as IBM,
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  which I think is a pretty cool nickname.
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  Cale Brown comes in from Hawaii. And then you got Joseph Reg in
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  from Wingate. Obviously the returners, Dante
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  Lovett and Thomas Williams. So you can throw in Josh Clark
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  there at the Richard Freshman. Now the safety room is
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  interesting because you've got Quinton Reddish coming back.
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  Obviously he had that kick return touchdown against against
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  Clemson, which is his big highlight.
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  But he had a few valuable snaps last season.
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  And then you got the four headed transferred quartet,
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  Christianella, Sherrod Coble, Tyson Flowers and Isaiah Cash.
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  So between the quarterbacks and safeties, you know, which room
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  gives you guys more pause? Which are you more confident in
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  which? Which are you more kind of
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  looking forward to seeing play? We can start with Pete and kind
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  of work work a way out. I think it's got to be corner
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  for more concern just because the depth at safety is is
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  better. If we had had Josh Clark, we
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  know he's he's injured right now and is probably going to miss
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  the entire year, I would feel differently as a whole.
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  I love the DB room, but I think the concern on the outside is
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  behind Dante Lovett. Like who is that, that number 2
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  corner because IBM is a nickel slash safety and we might do a
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  lot of three high safety looks where IBM could be on the field.
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  So I know he's been playing a little outside, but his
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  requirements will probably be at nickel or as a third safety.
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  So I am concerned about an outside corner.
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  Yeah, I would say I was before Josh Clark got hurt, I was
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  really excited about the corners.
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  I was really excited for what Josh Clark had the potential to
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  bring to the field. But that's not going to happen
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  this year, unfortunately. So I'm thinking, I definitely
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  have a little more concerned about the cornerback room by
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  default. But I do, I mean, they've had,
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  they've said good things about the progression of JoJo KREM as
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  a true freshman knowledge Herald, Jamar Deloach.
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  But Thomas Williams, he's, he's been here.
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  He was here last year. He has a little experience.
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  So I figure I don't know anything about Caleb Brown.
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  I know it came from Hawaii, but that's all I know.
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  And IBM had a lot of good things said about him from East
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  Carolina, right? Yeah, why is my way of Alabama
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  get that shit right then? Oh my.
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  My my fault, bro, my fault he's. A West Coast kid.
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  He he Is he a Deep South kid? Yeah.
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  He we he don't give a piss about nothing but the Hokies now.
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  But what I'm saying is CB2 would obviously be more of a concern
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  just because we don't know. I mean, we don't know about the
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  safety room either, but I know like they got like 8 of them to
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  come in. So I would think at least two or
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  three of them will be serviceable.
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  I got, I like Isaiah Cash's film a lot.
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  He brings the boom. Sherrod Covell you hope works
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  out. It's another Virginia kid coming
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  back. So like we want that success
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  story and we wanted him bad to begin with before he went to
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  Clemson. So yeah, I would Cornerback
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  room, Long story short or short story long, whichever.
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  Pete and Dan, I mean really covered most of the ground
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  there. I mean for me guys, just so many
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  new names this year. I mean, like as, as we just kind
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  of watched the, the, the first couple of weeks, I'm literally
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  going to be sitting there with the, with the roster up on my
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  laptop. Like who the hell are these guys
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  there's? So many names in that secondary
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  that. Are new, but I'm like there's so
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  many new names in the secondary. I will say, I mean, there's
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  plenty of depth in the safety room.
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  We've acknowledged that now ad nauseam, but all I'll say is I,
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  I am such a die hard fan of Dante Lovett.
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  I cannot wait to watch that kid play.
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  He's such a dog. He wears where's the where's the
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  stick proudly. I mean, we've had a lot of dogs
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  wear the number one in the past and and he's absolutely filling
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  those shoes. So and I'm so glad he stayed.
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  I was so worried that at the end of last year, just kind of based
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  on what happened, he was going to hop in the portal and get the
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  hell out of town. So the fact that he's back back
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  in Blacksburg, thrilled about that.
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  To Dan's point, I am excited to see Koval play.
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  He was definitely the one that got away when he committed to
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  New Spring University, and now he's back in Blacksburg, so
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  thrilled about that. I will say what Dan pointed out
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  about the freshman corners is very important because we've
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  seen freshman corners come in and play immediately at tech
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  Brandon face on and Kyle Fuller in the same year, right, which
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  face on was unexpected. Fuller was very expected as a
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  five star, but JoJo Crimp could find his way on the field sooner
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  than later. They they've been talking about
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  him ever since he got here and knowledge as well.
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  So Deloach was the the high recruit that we got back in the
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  boat on signing day. But those other two guys seem to
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  be getting the most like praise throughout the spring and into
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  the fall. So I think those those freshman
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  will factor in. But Thomas Williams, not only as
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  a corner but as a return man, we saw him do some things last
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  year. Yeah, but and everybody's
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  worried about corner, but the I think what we're going to see or
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  what we're probably all looking for is what are we running?
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  Because if we're running 3 high safety all the time, even a
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  nickel, because you can do it if you got a guy that can cover,
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  it's it's less stress on your depth, right?
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  That if we're only constant 3 high safeties, it's like, OK, we
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  need only three quarterbacks. I wish we could ask David this,
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  but I think IB Ms. been working some outside.
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  Feel like that's been the reports he's been working on the
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  outside, which would alleviate some depth.
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  And just the way he looks, he looks like an absolute dog.
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  Like he looks like he wants to go in there and fight people at
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  all times. So, and I know that can be good
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  or bad for a corner, but at least you know he wants to come.
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  He's got the confidence of a corner, he definitely does.
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  Yeah, I believe Sifka said that he is the nickel.
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  So when there are nickel packages, he will be on the
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  inside, but there's definitely room for him to play on the
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  outside. Yeah, he could be more of a kind
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  of a rotational player when they're not running nickel
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  packages, but he'll be the primary when you look at those
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  nickel packages. So it's it's it's going to be
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  interesting to see. I'm just trying to restrained
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  from making a very niche IBM joke here, so I'll let it move
• 21:29
  on here. But I mean, Brian has shown the
• 21:32
  ability to be. He'll play a freshman.
• 21:34
  I mean, Brianne Murray was awful when he played Monsour d'ulane
• 21:38
  who died and went to heaven. I don't know, He said LSU, but
• 21:43
  like, he will, they will do it if it goes bad enough on that
• 21:47
  side. So, yeah, well.
• 21:48
  Again, it's one of the talent. You've talked about this in the
• 21:51
  past about the corner position and and you were in, you played
• 21:55
  collard ball. It's one of those that that can
• 21:57
  flip easy. Yeah, definitely.
• 22:00
  Corner is one of those, you know, I ain't going to say easy
• 22:03
  to get on the field, but it's one of the easier because it's
• 22:06
  it's all about skill set. You know, it's all about what
• 22:09
  you have. As long as you got the size to
• 22:11
  kind of be able to bang against a wide receiver, you know, which
• 22:16
  is not going to be a lineman, you know, it's all about are
• 22:22
  your hips open enough to dance with this guy in front of you?
• 22:26
  And a lot of these kids nowadays are they can come straight out
• 22:29
  of high school and and be ready to play.
• 22:31
  So not saying that that's going to happen, but if it does
• 22:35
  happen, corners, one of those positions that you see it happen
• 22:38
  more often than any other position.
• 22:41
  So switching gears a little bit now from talking about defense,
• 22:45
  we're going to talk about offense a little bit.
• 22:48
  The lead on the offense, which is Kyron drones at quarterback.
• 22:53
  We've seen glimpses of, you know, greatness from Kyron, but
• 22:56
  we also seen some, you know, some some bad spots from him,
• 22:59
  some injuries, things like that. What do you guys think Kyron
• 23:04
  needs to do this year to I would say, I guess while some NFL
• 23:11
  scouts just to play his way onto NFL roster, what does he need to
• 23:15
  show? What does he need to do?
• 23:17
  He needs to find his swagger again from like the end of from
• 23:21
  the military bowl two years ago. You know, I, I, I feel like
• 23:26
  Kyron really started to find his stride.
• 23:28
  He really found his confidence two years ago.
• 23:31
  Maybe he was dropping Dimes in the bucket.
• 23:33
  Looked like a very comfortable playmaker last year.
• 23:37
  I mean, I know he was dinged up, but it he, he regressed a little
• 23:40
  bit last year to no real fault of his own.
• 23:44
  I mean, he had Parker Clemens blocking for him and sacking him
• 23:49
  periodically. And you know what, Parker, I,
• 23:51
  I'm sure you're a nice kid. We wish you well.
• 23:54
  Just, you know, on LinkedIn. But it's fine.
• 23:58
  So I'm just, I'm just, I'm saying what everyone thinks, all
• 24:01
  right? Exactly.
• 24:01
  Exactly. I'm saying what everyone thinks,
• 24:05
  but yeah, really just find find his group, find a swagger again.
• 24:09
  If he can come out and put together a complete game against
• 24:12
  South Carolina and and really find his his rhythm again, maybe
• 24:17
  the season will go a little bit different than I think a lot of
• 24:19
  us think it will. But yeah, that I think that's
• 24:22
  the really the the answer right there is Fonda Swagger.
• 24:26
  He's got it. We know he's got it.
• 24:29
  Thanks. I think the important part for
• 24:31
  him is if he can, because he went on Adam Brenneman and he
• 24:36
  said that obviously what we all knew, he was very shy in the
• 24:41
  pocket last year because he was very nervous about his
• 24:43
  protection. He didn't have any faith in it.
• 24:46
  So if this offensive line, this new iteration can give this man
• 24:52
  some confidence building blocks to begin that South Carolina
• 24:55
  game and he can get into a flow, I think he's that swagger will
• 25:00
  come back. I think we're going to need to
• 25:02
  see more accurate balls on a consistent basis.
• 25:06
  And I think Monty knowing what his identity is for this offense
• 25:11
  will help him a lot better as well because he won't be
• 25:14
  wondering every week. Like is the game plan going to
• 25:17
  be run the ball 8,000,000 times or is the game playing going to
• 25:20
  be to throw the ball 8,000,000 times?
• 25:22
  Is the game playing going to be to flip it to this dude and
• 25:24
  throw it to me in the end? Like we just don't know.
• 25:26
  Like it was reinventing the wheel every week.
• 25:28
  Like we just didn't know what the offense was going to look
• 25:30
  like. So I think a more consistent
• 25:32
  vision, better blocking and him being able to re establish his
• 25:37
  confidence and become a little more accurate with the ball and
• 25:42
  put up more numbers will obviously go like it'll help him
• 25:46
  tremendously as far as the NFL goes.
• 25:49
  Yeah, and the Vanderbilt game, right off the bat, you could
• 25:52
  just see there was a discomfort there.
• 25:53
  And I know he got stepped on or whatever, but like the actual
• 25:58
  plays, the actual presence in the pocket, it looked like he
• 26:01
  was overthinking things. His head didn't seem clear.
• 26:04
  And Dan said reinventing the wheel.
• 26:07
  That's a direct quote from Coach Pry.
• 26:09
  Like we won't have to be reinventing the wheel on offense
• 26:12
  every week, which has to be a direct shot at Tyler Bowen.
• 26:15
  And Monty has come in and Kyron loved the offense right off the
• 26:19
  bat. He should be comfortable.
• 26:21
  He should be confident. And thank God he's healthy
• 26:24
  because when he was in a boot at the end of June and into July,
• 26:28
  it's like, what, what's even going to happen here?
• 26:31
  Well, he got out of that boot and he's hit the ground running.
• 26:35
  And from everything we've heard, he looks good, looks like the
• 26:38
  old Chiron again. So if the protection is better
• 26:41
  and his head is clear and maybe his clear eyes, full heart, you
• 26:46
  know what I mean? That's right, that's right.
• 26:48
  No, but I it's the offensive piece of it with Monty and him
• 26:52
  being on the same page in addition to the online is huge.
• 26:56
  Like it's absolutely huge. And when you bring in two new
• 26:59
  coordinators, you don't know how it's going to go.
• 27:02
  But just hearing how much he likes the offense and Monty's
• 27:06
  history with more mobile quarterbacks, it has me excited.
• 27:11
  Yeah, I think. Can I do some real quick?
• 27:13
  Go ahead, Curtis. Shelton's always on this.
• 27:16
  With Kyron Shelton, you always talk about his deep ball.
• 27:21
  That's the issue, because he's got intermediate routes, short
• 27:23
  routes, he gets them there. He's got the gun.
• 27:27
  If he improves that, I think that gets him.
• 27:29
  But Sheldon, do you believe someone like Philip Montgomery
• 27:32
  can fix that? Because you've been, because
• 27:34
  that's been your thing. You've been like, yes, he's a
• 27:37
  beast running. Yes, he's good at short routes.
• 27:39
  But God, Sheldon doesn't say that because Sheldon's a nice
• 27:42
  kid, but GD it. He can't hit a deep ball.
• 27:46
  Yeah, I don't know. I mean, it's hard to say because
• 27:48
  I feel like it takes a really good, really good quarterbacks
• 27:52
  coach to kind of, you know, coach you in a bad in, in the
• 27:55
  good habits just because it's such a, it's such a mental
• 27:57
  position and there's so many, you know, different factors
• 28:00
  involved. Like, you know, if you're seeing
• 28:01
  ghosts, the protection's bad, like Grayson mentioned, you can
• 28:04
  really start to kind of get in your own head.
• 28:06
  So I feel like hopefully with more confidence he'll be better
• 28:09
  there. But I feel like for me, like we
• 28:12
  saw, you know, last year, Hokie's bread and butter, the
• 28:15
  short passing game kind of got taken away.
• 28:17
  And so Bowen didn't really have like a, he didn't really have
• 28:20
  like an off speed pitch. Like, you know, we take away the
• 28:21
  fastball, no off speed pitch. So Montgomery likes to throw the
• 28:26
  ball pretty deep down field. I'm just curious to see like how
• 28:29
  that works with Kyron's game and if the protection holds up as
• 28:31
  well, Because I think I think there's, you know, it, it could
• 28:35
  be kind of a hit or miss type of thing.
• 28:37
  So we'll see. Yeah, We know we're still going
• 28:39
  to see those short routes. It's just they're not going to
• 28:41
  be as behind the line. Like you're not going to see
• 28:44
  negative plays come from those short routes like we saw in
• 28:47
  Tyler Bowen's offense, where so much of that short pass the game
• 28:50
  is predicated off screens and kind of those quick outs, things
• 28:53
  that are at or behind the line of scrimmage.
• 28:55
  You're at least going to see some positive yards off of this.
• 28:58
  But Kyra's going to have to be more consistent with completing
• 29:00
  those routes and he's going to have to be able to take
• 29:02
  advantage down the field to stretch those defenses out.
• 29:05
  And we're going to have to be consistent in the running game.
• 29:07
  But my thing with Kyron, and I know you, you guys have hit on
• 29:10
  it a little bit, is that he plays differently when he's
• 29:15
  confident. And we saw the swagger come out
• 29:19
  in that pit game a couple years ago.
• 29:21
  And it kind of, you know, other than Louisville, we didn't
• 29:24
  really see we, we was pretty consistent the rest of the year.
• 29:26
  He played with a good degree of confidence for the rest of the
• 29:29
  season. I think I only two games last
• 29:32
  year where he looked really confident, at least the
• 29:36
  confidence that we had saw in 2023.
• 29:39
  Stanford. Stanford.
• 29:40
  Miami. Miami.
• 29:42
  Miami, too, yeah. So we only saw a couple games
• 29:46
  where he looked really comfortable with what he was
• 29:49
  doing, with what he was seeing, with what the expectations were
• 29:53
  for him. Then the game plan.
• 29:55
  I think Montgomery's going to be that kind of that, that even
• 29:59
  keel, that stabilizing factor for him because he talked about
• 30:03
  on, you know, the, the, the interview with Adam, he, he had
• 30:08
  been, you know, seeing a sports therapist and you're trying to
• 30:11
  get the, the mentals of injuries and all the stuff of being, you
• 30:14
  know, this, this focal point of the offense.
• 30:17
  They're going to be able to come into his leadership.
• 30:19
  I think having that confidence, confidence in himself and
• 30:22
  confidence in the guys around him is going to pay big
• 30:25
  dividends this year. Also not.
• 30:28
  Go ahead, Dan I. Was just saying not to like shit
• 30:32
  on Quan Felton, but like I feel like he gave up on a lot of
• 30:35
  those deep balls last year. Like if you would have just like
• 30:38
  dove for a couple or like reached out, it might have
• 30:41
  improved Kyron's deep ball percentage.
• 30:43
  But I mean, I'm not a wide receiver coach, or I don't play
• 30:47
  wide receivers. I was going to say.
• 30:50
  Man in the stands. Yeah, Dwight makes a great point
• 30:53
  there with the too much hype impact of the offense, you know,
• 30:56
  expectations, not the same hunger.
• 30:59
  I also think that expectations things goes on Kyron too because
• 31:03
  not just because there's higher expectations, but as these
• 31:06
  quarterbacks who are known to be scramblers as we Kyron got rid
• 31:11
  of the best scrambler in Athlon 2 years ago.
• 31:13
  And when they see that and when you're trying to get to the NFL,
• 31:16
  there is this feeling that you need to show the world that you
• 31:20
  can pass. And I feel like we came into
• 31:23
  last season and Bowen came into last season with the four wide
• 31:26
  receivers that came back, we're going to pass the football.
• 31:28
  And it's happened year after year where year one they Joe
• 31:32
  Rudolph and those guys, they said we ran the wrong offense
• 31:34
  for six weeks, Year 2 where we ran the wrong offense for five
• 31:38
  weeks. And then last year we did the
• 31:40
  same damn thing until we were like, you know what, we should
• 31:42
  probably give Tooten the ball. And it's that's the kind of shit
• 31:46
  I just don't want to see again. And we should couldn't see again
• 31:49
  because Montgomery's been in this game a long time.
• 31:52
  And so you couple that and Kyron working out with Cam and
• 31:57
  Shadour, who are much better passers than him, and that
• 32:00
  pressure was on him, too. And so it was a bad recipe.
• 32:04
  Now the hunger's there. Maybe NFL is like, yeah, I need
• 32:09
  to do what I do best if I want to get a chance to go back
• 32:12
  there. And all all the things are now
• 32:14
  in place to be like he plays more free and more confident.
• 32:18
  Yeah, Tally, you got to say something.
• 32:22
  Yeah, Yeah, it's. Usually, no.
• 32:23
  I was just, I was just listening to Pete.
• 32:25
  And he's right. It's like you just got to do
• 32:29
  what you're good at. You know what I'm saying?
• 32:30
  You can't. Watching, going back and
• 32:34
  watching that that Vanderbilt game, it's like watching Karen
• 32:37
  play. It was drilled in his head that
• 32:40
  he had to do certain things instead of just going and being
• 32:44
  who he is. He may not ever be Brett Favre.
• 32:50
  You know, I don't know Tom Brady as far as throwing the ball,
• 32:54
  pick somebody. But he can be Karen, you know
• 32:56
  what I'm saying? What makes him good, he can go
• 32:58
  do that. And I feel like all offseason,
• 33:02
  whether it be the expectations on himself or expectations on
• 33:06
  the other quarterbacks he was working out with, was he needed
• 33:09
  to do these things or he needed to have this many yards passing
• 33:14
  to be considered a good quarterback.
• 33:17
  I, I don't, I don't fully believe that, you know what I'm
• 33:19
  saying? Because I've seen some dog shit
• 33:22
  quarterbacks make it to the NFL. I'm just telling you, like some
• 33:27
  of them are still getting paid now and they never done nothing.
• 33:32
  So I'm not saying that he will or won't make it.
• 33:36
  I'm just saying to have the best shot, you just got to go out and
• 33:39
  be you as any player, you know, and the chips will fall what
• 33:43
  they make. So I'm just hoping that he just
• 33:46
  goes. And, you know, I ain't saying we
• 33:47
  need to run him or we need to do.
• 33:49
  I'm just saying Kyron's been playing football a long time and
• 33:53
  I feel like if he takes the layups, he'll be fine.
• 33:58
  If it's the running lane there or go ahead.
• 34:00
  I'm sorry. I was just going to say, I mean,
• 34:02
  to that point you just made about Kyron, like it almost felt
• 34:07
  like he had to do certain things in the Vanderbilt game.
• 34:10
  We were, most of us were there, right?
• 34:12
  We saw that team that day. When your QB feels that way, the
• 34:18
  rest of the team feels that way. It was very palpable.
• 34:22
  It's almost like the, I mean, you can see how almost nervous
• 34:26
  they were when we were, I firmly believe the better team talent
• 34:31
  wise, but it's it's like we just couldn't get out of our own way.
• 34:35
  But it starts with Kyron drones. It's like he just seemed
• 34:38
  uncomfortable. And as a byproduct of that, the
• 34:41
  guys around him, you could see it.
• 34:43
  It was it was very apparent. And so in versus South Carolina,
• 34:49
  you can't go out there into that big ass stadium in front of all
• 34:54
  those people and feel like you got to do something.
• 34:58
  You got to go be Kyron drones. That's it.
• 35:02
  And we got to go beat Virginia Tech.
• 35:03
  You know what I'm saying? We can't go beat Alabama.
• 35:04
  We can't go be anybody that we are not is what I felt like we
• 35:08
  thought we were last year. Coming in with those
• 35:11
  expectations and people getting paid plays a big part in the
• 35:17
  game. It's like, let's keep it real.
• 35:20
  Like, I love the Lord and I actually like going to church,
• 35:24
  but if I won like $5,000,000, I don't know that I would go to
• 35:30
  church Sunday. I would go back eventually, but
• 35:34
  I don't know if I would go Sunday.
• 35:37
  I probably would find some other stuff to do before I go to
• 35:40
  church, you know what I'm saying?
• 35:42
  So bring that into like football.
• 35:46
  A lot of these, a lot of these players, you know, get nil.
• 35:50
  And I ain't saying that they didn't have no money, but they
• 35:53
  get a, you know, they get a good sum of money and they find other
• 35:58
  stuff to do besides working or, or what their routine is.
• 36:02
  And I feel like that's kind of what happened, or that's what's
• 36:04
  happening all over college football.
• 36:06
  You know, you. You, you, you frame a metaphor
• 36:09
  like nobody else. I'm just saying, man, I try to.
• 36:13
  I'm trying to bring this thing for because I know not everybody
• 36:18
  has played sports and I'm not saying I played so much, but I'm
• 36:22
  just saying some people who watch sports really hadn't
• 36:25
  played. Some of y'all out there want to
• 36:27
  tell people what to do and you really ain't played and that's
• 36:30
  OK. So I try to put it in a place
• 36:32
  where everybody can relate to it.
• 36:34
  You know what I'm saying? It's like you probably go to
• 36:36
  church and and worship something so you kind of understand what
• 36:40
  I'm saying. But when you get paid, when you
• 36:42
  start getting paid though it, it's different, man.
• 36:44
  And when you watch some of these players and you're like, that
• 36:47
  ain't what happened to him or that ain't what happened to him.
• 36:49
  This person is trying to get paid.
• 36:51
  This person just got paid and it looks different.
• 36:54
  So I feel like we've seen some of that last year and I'm hoping
• 36:59
  that this year all of that stuff is out the window.
• 37:03
  And I ain't saying like, I want to be the underdog.
• 37:05
  I I, I just want to be who we are.
• 37:07
  Like if we're ranked fifty, let's go play.
• 37:11
  If we're ranked fifteen, let's go play.
• 37:13
  I feel like last year coming into that Vanderbilt game, we
• 37:17
  thought we were going to walk in there and it was going to be a
• 37:20
  cakewalk. And when we realize it wasn't,
• 37:23
  it was like, oh, oh, oh shit, what do we do?
• 37:26
  You know, that was the feeling through the whole game.
• 37:28
  So this is going to be a little bit, this is going to be a
• 37:31
  little bit different. I'm not saying we're going to go
• 37:34
  in and win because I don't, I don't know.
• 37:36
  I, I definitely don't even want to get to that right now.
• 37:39
  But I feel like South Carolina has the pressure on them more
• 37:43
  than us. 100 percent, 100%, Sean, I'm going to disagree.
• 37:47
  I'm going to. Disagree with Sean's got up here
• 37:49
  because now it is. What you do in high school is
• 37:53
  what's getting you paid in NIL. It's it used to be high school,
• 37:57
  college, then NFL. But I'm going to make one quick
• 38:01
  statement before we pivot to the next question here.
• 38:03
  And that's this. We know Philip Montgomery
• 38:08
  basically had been recruiting Cowan drones since he was in
• 38:13
  high school, right? He he was, I think what first
• 38:16
  second offer was from Tulsa when he was like a junior high school
• 38:19
  very early. So he knows who he is as a
• 38:23
  person. He's met him, obviously, and I
• 38:26
  think that might go a long way because for what he was doing at
• 38:30
  Tulsa those years, we all saw it.
• 38:32
  We saw it in 15 when he was running it and then subsequent
• 38:35
  years later. Could he be the guy that unlocks
• 38:40
  every piece of potential? Because we're going to run you
• 38:42
  some. We're going to improve short
• 38:44
  passes, We're going to improve the deep ball.
• 38:46
  Because I saw you at 16, there was a reason.
• 38:48
  I wanted you to come to my team to play.
• 38:51
  There was a reason and now you know, many years later, six
• 38:55
  years later, the opportunities arisen.
• 38:58
  So we'll see, but let let me take the next one here.
• 39:01
  Let's go to defense, defense, defense, defense because
• 39:04
  everybody knows that's how you win championships.
• 39:08
  Sam Sekis improves this defensive metric in 2025.
• 39:13
  This y'all think about it and give y'all a second metrics.
• 39:16
  All that stuff up. If you need to pull things up,
• 39:18
  think about it. If he improves this defensive
• 39:22
  metric in 2025, the Hokies can be a top 25 defense.
• 39:29
  Tackling. Bang, a metric.
• 39:32
  My bad. Yeah, I'll go.
• 39:33
  Ahead. That's the technique.
• 39:35
  Yeah, I'll go ahead. No brainer, no brainer.
• 39:39
  The situational football last two minutes of the game.
• 39:42
  If you look at the Hokies record before the final two minutes of
• 39:45
  the game, Brent Pry is a God and he's on his way to a statue and
• 39:50
  he's won ACC Championship already.
• 39:53
  Like it's ridiculous. Like just situational football.
• 39:58
  You clean it up. Especially the last two minutes
• 40:01
  of a game. In a close game, we are cooking
• 40:03
  with far more grease. Good answer, Dan.
• 40:07
  It's a very good answer. I would say limiting the
• 40:10
  explosive plays, whether that's explosive plays per game, per
• 40:14
  drive, whatever it is, but explosive plays on offense when
• 40:17
  you when you're the defender is one of the leading indicators of
• 40:21
  like winning games. If you have more explosive
• 40:23
  plays, there's a very good chance.
• 40:24
  I know Shelton's all over this, but that would be my thing is if
• 40:27
  we can, the situation of football is huge.
• 40:30
  But we saw some big plays in the vanity game.
• 40:32
  We saw big plays in the Syracuse game, Duke game.
• 40:35
  Good Lord. So those are the kind of things
• 40:37
  that Cifkis and his game plan defense, putting it all
• 40:42
  together, you have to limit explosives and I I, he's kind of
• 40:46
  talked about that a little bit. So that is a key for me.
• 40:50
  I I. Mean, I think measurable
• 40:52
  metrics. I mean you improved the tackles
• 40:54
  for loss tally. I'll add four loss after
• 40:57
  tackling. Now it works.
• 40:59
  That that works. Tackles for loss, guys, I mean
• 41:02
  to to tighten the screw on on pulse's point.
• 41:06
  When did Virginia Tech teams last year fall apart?
• 41:13
  The third quarter, you went into the locker room, you might have
• 41:18
  been up at half. You're having a great game.
• 41:20
  I think about the Boston College game Thursday night and, and
• 41:25
  we're we're kind of laying the wood.
• 41:27
  And then all of a sudden they start making a run back in the
• 41:32
  third quarter. And, and, and then that goes to
• 41:34
  Pete's point, explosive plays. You're letting these guys score
• 41:38
  and catch up. It's like, dude, you have got to
• 41:41
  play. You have got to play complete
• 41:45
  defense in the third quarter. I mean, you could say that about
• 41:48
  the offense, too, but really, I mean, that's where we fell
• 41:51
  apart. Do you know the number Grayson
• 41:53
  last year? Say you know the number.
• 41:55
  Do you know the number? Number what?
• 41:57
  No. No.
• 41:58
  Oh. In the third quarter, no, I
• 41:59
  actually don't know. We gave up 103rd quarter points
• 42:02
  last year. The average is like 6, so that
• 42:07
  would be about 75. We gave up 100.
• 42:10
  We gave up almost in 12 games we roughly gave up what, almost 8
• 42:15
  1/2 points 1/4, which is 2 1/2 points higher than all.
• 42:18
  So that's the intent you'd. Want to be a good point, to be a
• 42:22
  good team? You'd like to be a be better
• 42:24
  than the average. You'd like to be behind the
• 42:26
  average, Yeah. Not 20.
• 42:28
  Percent worse than the average. Dan, I went down a rabbit hole
• 42:31
  and I'm glad you brought this up.
• 42:32
  And this is about the third time people to listen to us do it.
• 42:35
  If 43 points in the last four minutes of games, we gave up
• 42:39
  just 43 points, think about that.
• 42:43
  Think about that. If you just cut that in half,
• 42:45
  what's our record last year? I mean, if you.
• 42:49
  Is everybody pissed off right now?
• 42:50
  If you go with the O and five in one score games, I mean, what if
• 42:54
  we're three and two? You know, what if we're two and
• 42:57
  three? Like the whole season is
• 42:59
  different. You know you.
• 43:00
  Beat Vanderbilt, maybe. Pammy, you beat, I mean. 7
• 43:04
  points in the last minute for them, just so you know.
• 43:07
  It's it's Wildman and like, so to that point, I mean, Dan
• 43:09
  talked about situational. You know, you guys have talked
• 43:12
  about, you know, moments in the game.
• 43:16
  And I know Sheldon is a isn't a big fan of this, but like being
• 43:20
  able to get off the field on on 3rd down, like we, we were
• 43:23
  pretty poor, especially in those situational moments, especially
• 43:28
  in the third quarter. We could not get our defense off
• 43:30
  the field. Sheldon, did you find it yet?
• 43:34
  Yeah, talking about explosive plays allowed.
• 43:35
  I didn't realize how. Bad it was, but.
• 43:39
  We were, we were 100 and we were 123rd in plays of 10 plus yards
• 43:44
  allowed, 131, as well as plays of 20 plus yards allowed 127th.
• 43:50
  And you can go pretty much down the line 30 + 40 + 50 plus all
• 43:53
  all bottom 10. And it was pretty much every
• 43:56
  single one. I Yeah.
• 43:58
  Like when we we didn't bend, but we broke.
• 44:05
  I'm. Guessing, I'm guessing when
• 44:11
  Brent Prize first ever interviewed was that long last
• 44:13
  play from Maryland that was Bad Omen.
• 44:18
  And these coaches have to just go coach and players have to
• 44:21
  play. They have to like, if you can't
• 44:25
  make a play, put somebody else in.
• 44:28
  Again, I keep saying the same stuff because it seems simple to
• 44:31
  me. It's like somebody was like,
• 44:34
  well, they didn't have nobody else.
• 44:36
  I'm like, they did. It's like 70 people on the
• 44:39
  sideline. Just put somebody in.
• 44:42
  Just put them in. My counter to that tally is if
• 44:45
  you're running the same shitty defense, putting in a new guide
• 44:48
  isn't necessarily going to help Caleb Woodson in spite of our
• 44:53
  defense showed out last year. I just think like the coaching
• 44:58
  as, as Dwight is pointing out, strength and conditioning
• 45:00
  coaching has been so poor for three years that it's it has not
• 45:06
  been the Jimmy's and the Joe's. It has been the X's and O's for
• 45:10
  three years. Billy said this on a show the
• 45:12
  other night. Billy was on the strength and
• 45:13
  conditioning thing for a while too with Dwight and it's we are
• 45:17
  we have been unprepared for three years to go into these
• 45:22
  games. Remember when they decided they
• 45:23
  were going to wake up everybody early before BC and that was
• 45:26
  that was the secret sauce. They they are grasping at straws
• 45:30
  to try to figure out how to get the team ready to play a game
• 45:34
  from the gun. And hopefully by changing four
• 45:39
  different coaches, we figured it out this year.
• 45:41
  But it it the talent has not been the problem.
• 45:44
  That's why I like I was saying like my counter is that don't
• 45:46
  just put someone else in because it's still Marv's defense.
• 45:48
  It's still not going to be run correctly.
• 45:50
  But this is the thing, this is this is where where I go Pete on
• 45:54
  that a couple of ways. So when you go on offense and
• 45:58
  you watch a offensive lineman miss 3.
• 46:03
  Blocks I'm. Just saying, you watch a
• 46:06
  offensive lineman miss three blocks out of three plays, just
• 46:10
  put somebody else in and see if they're going to miss 3 or if
• 46:12
  they're going to miss two out of the three, that thing.
• 46:15
  And then if you, I don't care if you got Ed Reed on your defense
• 46:20
  and he misses a tackle that you need at a pivotal part of the
• 46:25
  game. I ain't saying take him out for
• 46:27
  the whole game, but you got to try somebody else just to get to
• 46:31
  let them know that you have somebody else that's on your
• 46:35
  behind. You know what I'm saying?
• 46:37
  Like, I feel like the coaching staff, and that goes back to
• 46:40
  coaching. I feel like the coaches were so
• 46:42
  indebted to each other or indebted to certain players that
• 46:46
  they were scared to put somebody else in.
• 46:48
  Well, the. Coaching on the O line just
• 46:50
  continued to make no sense throughout the.
• 46:52
  Year, right? And it goes back to Vitali.
• 46:55
  Your point is perfect. We are in the age of NIM.
• 46:59
  People are getting paid. I love what you say.
• 47:02
  You suck right now. Sit your ass down.
• 47:04
  Well you're paying me $300,000 a year and your ass ain't worth
• 47:07
  it. You ain't doing $300,000 worth a
• 47:10
  year playing. Go sit down.
• 47:12
  I'm going to take Mr. 50K over here and if he goes out there
• 47:15
  and busts ass, I'm going to give him your money next year.
• 47:18
  And I'll say this. And now you can do that.
• 47:21
  The whole thing is you can do that now.
• 47:22
  Like literally, if someone comes up to a coach and says, you
• 47:26
  know, why did you bench him? You know, you gave him all that
• 47:28
  money. He sucks.
• 47:29
  Is he worth that money? Well, I guess not.
• 47:32
  Do you want his money? I'd love to have his money then
• 47:34
  go beat his ass out on the field and then you get his money.
• 47:37
  Sorry. I.
• 47:39
  Don't know that. Go ahead.
• 47:41
  Go ahead, Dan, you've. Been I'm saying it has to be
• 47:44
  ability over ego, because if you embarrass the name on the back
• 47:48
  of the jersey, they just got to live with that.
• 47:49
  But if you embarrass the name on the front of the jersey, your
• 47:51
  ass is getting fired. So I mean which one you want to
• 47:54
  do, you know? Yeah, and everybody's got to
• 47:56
  live with that. If you embarrass the name on the
• 47:58
  front, everybody on that team has to deal with the Ram
• 48:01
  implications of that. This is at the end of the day,
• 48:03
  you got to, you got to perform. It's all of that is so true and
• 48:08
  guys like this is pre NIL era. I'm going to throw it back a
• 48:11
  little bit. I don't know if y'all remember.
• 48:14
  I mean this is like early transfer portal days.
• 48:16
  Y'all remember Jake Johnson the linebacker?
• 48:19
  Can you say? Number 36, So I mean, there
• 48:22
  were, there was a little while like he came in, he was a three
• 48:24
  star recruit, he was playing a lot.
• 48:27
  And then all of a sudden he kind of started to let it slip a
• 48:31
  little bit. And Bud Foster replaced him with
• 48:35
  Lyndell Gibson, who also, you know, started to let it slip.
• 48:39
  But at first Johnson wasn't really cutting it the way he
• 48:43
  used to. And Foster said, listen, Jake,
• 48:46
  I'm putting Gibson in because he's getting it done at a higher
• 48:50
  level than than you are. And then we saw Jake Johnson
• 48:53
  transfer as a byproduct to that. But I mean like that's even just
• 48:57
  a pre NIL example in Virginia Tech where I just I think about
• 49:01
  where a coach said, hey, listen dude, like somebody's if you're
• 49:05
  not getting it done, I'm putting in the next guy.
• 49:08
  It it's overall in sports, we all know that that's good
• 49:10
  practice, play the best guy. That's not what that's not.
• 49:13
  That was not what I was trying to say to tell.
• 49:15
  The overarching point was I was saying the schemes were so bad
• 49:18
  that it it wouldn't have necessarily mattered.
• 49:21
  Now on the offensive line, it might have mattered.
• 49:23
  And we've seen that with Montavius Cunningham, who
• 49:25
  couldn't get on the field under the last offensive line coach,
• 49:28
  they're now saying could be our best offensive lineman this
• 49:31
  year. So like it's there was a lot of
• 49:34
  issues in the coaching department.
• 49:35
  Last year, well, it's it's wild that he could get on the field
• 49:38
  last year and then turned around and this year he was probably
• 49:41
  the primary reason that a Bob Schick transfers to Oklahoma
• 49:45
  State. So, so it's it's it's a very
• 49:48
  interesting. Thank God for that.
• 49:50
  And yeah, thank God for Matt Moore.
• 49:51
  Absolutely. Thank God for coaching change.
• 49:54
  I mean, all of the coach we had what?
• 49:57
  Who was it that talked about it? It was.
• 49:59
  Me and you, Tally, we talked about it at some point.
• 50:01
  Yeah, but I'm just saying, like tonight somebody was talking
• 50:04
  about just the turnover and coaching or how bad of an idea
• 50:08
  it was to hire a brand new coach and a brand new coordinator.
• 50:11
  Right, Mike McDaniel, that sounds like something.
• 50:16
  We had all of these. We had all of these, you know,
• 50:19
  tweets and pictures about going on camping trips together
• 50:23
  together and going catfish noodling or something.
• 50:27
  I don't care about none of that. Like, I don't care if y'all are
• 50:30
  friends. I hope y'all hate each other,
• 50:32
  but y'all just want to win. You know what I'm saying?
• 50:34
  Like, I want to see coaches that are going to challenge each
• 50:38
  other to be better. And if it's not working, you
• 50:41
  find a way to make it work. That's what that's what I care
• 50:43
  about. I don't care if you're taking
• 50:45
  them on vacation and stuff at this point.
• 50:47
  Like, yeah, it might have been cool whenever he is, but now you
• 50:51
  got to throw that out. I just want to see competent
• 50:54
  coaching and I don't like, Pete said.
• 50:57
  I don't feel like we've had that for three years, you know, so.
• 51:01
  Yeah, and and tally, to your point, I think it can go in the
• 51:03
  other direction because we saw how much the wheels completely
• 51:07
  fell off at Florida State last year.
• 51:09
  So like the, the, the culture and the dynamic of the team
• 51:14
  chemistry still matters, but because of NIL, it probably
• 51:19
  doesn't carry the same weight that it carried A decade ago,
• 51:22
  right. So you're, you're going to still
• 51:24
  need to, to, to juggle that. But to your point, I don't, I
• 51:28
  don't think that's moving the needle for yeah, especially
• 51:31
  recruiting in the off seas or anything.
• 51:32
  What's moving the needle right now is can you, do you fit what
• 51:37
  I do well? And are you going to pay me?
• 51:40
  It's true, all right, Sheldon's got a head out here, so he's got
• 51:43
  1 he wants to throw to y'all, and I'm sure this is going to
• 51:46
  Sheldon. Since you got a dip, put who you
• 51:48
  think who your guy is before you dip out.
• 51:51
  Yeah, Well, so, so we're talking defensive players.
• 51:56
  We've talked a lot of guys tonight, IBM, James Jonkum,
• 52:00
  we've talked, you know, safeties.
• 52:03
  My question is who do you think is the most important player on
• 52:07
  this 2025 Virginia Tech defence? And before you give your answer,
• 52:11
  I will say I'm going with our defensive end who I've heard
• 52:14
  some good things about during camp.
• 52:15
  That would be Ben Bell, very highly talented guy out of Texas
• 52:18
  State. I think he's going to be a big
• 52:20
  difference maker for this team. So give me your guys top top
• 52:23
  player for this 2025 defence. Dante Lovett woo Dante Lovett
• 52:30
  Caleb like breakout season that kids going to be a star and and
• 52:34
  I I just I'm really curious to see me how he plays against
• 52:38
  South Carolina. He's going up against Lenora
• 52:39
  Sellers. You know is he able to to hold
• 52:43
  his own in coverage against throws from this guy who's
• 52:47
  supposed to be you know, Michael Vick 2 point O somebody tweeted
• 52:50
  that the other day. I'm I what?
• 52:52
  What was it Pete, you said? I'm also Michael if.
• 52:55
  Someone said that. The worst version.
• 52:57
  Could just be putting. Stuff Lenora Sellers is Michael
• 53:00
  Vick with less talent. It's like, yeah, what are?
• 53:02
  We talking, they tried to, they tried to create a banger and it
• 53:06
  just. It bonged, Pete said.
• 53:08
  Wait a SEC, wait a SEC. I got 1.
• 53:12
  You said something, Dan. Go ahead.
• 53:14
  Yeah, Caleb Woodson, big problem for this defense has been middle
• 53:20
  linebacker. He is now, for all we know,
• 53:23
  going to be the middle linebacker.
• 53:27
  Big responsibility, pretty much the leader of the defense at
• 53:30
  that position. You're going to need to see it
• 53:34
  be strong. He's a stud.
• 53:36
  I think Caleb Woodson is the most important piece to our
• 53:41
  defense this year. I think the probably 3 best
• 53:47
  players in the defense might have already been named by
• 53:49
  Shelton, Grayson and Dan. But Tyson Flowers will be
• 53:52
  immensely important this year. And one of the reasons why is
• 53:55
  we've played two true freshman safeties the last two years, Mos
• 53:59
  Phillips and Quinn Reddish and thrown those guys to the wolves.
• 54:03
  And the play hasn't been all that great from the safety
• 54:06
  position due to the injuries to to Stroman.
• 54:09
  So bringing in a veteran like him who when you hear him talk
• 54:13
  and you saw the interview with Colby, like that guy's a stud.
• 54:16
  Like he is going to be a stalwart back there as long as
• 54:19
  he's healthy, He's older, he's a red shirt junior, he's fourth
• 54:23
  year of college football. So I am looking forward to him
• 54:26
  quarterbacking that new look, defensive secondary.
• 54:30
  And I, I'm excited to see what Tyson does because I think he's
• 54:34
  going to be a big part of this defense.
• 54:36
  No, that that's good, Pete. I was thinking the same thing.
• 54:40
  Just because of how many deficiencies we've had back
• 54:43
  there. I'm not going to say best player
• 54:45
  on the defense, but most important, which is what the
• 54:48
  question asked, I would have said the same thing you did just
• 54:51
  because if we're playing Q back there, Q still going to have a
• 54:56
  lot of growing pains, you know, and you're going to have to pair
• 55:00
  him with somebody who can overcome some of those growing
• 55:04
  pains with some experience. Cuz last year if you had Q and
• 55:09
  you had most back there, that's a youth movement and we know
• 55:14
  most would come up and hit you. Like no disrespect to the kid,
• 55:17
  he would come up and hit you, but he would be out of position
• 55:19
  and hit his own player and then somebody score a touchdown.
• 55:22
  The Duke game was, was really bad for the safeties, right?
• 55:25
  And this, this could, it could be a total game changer if you
• 55:29
  have two guys back there knowing what they're doing.
• 55:31
  Right. And that's perfect, perfect way
• 55:34
  to put it. So, I mean, I, I didn't, I don't
• 55:38
  even know that I would have said flowers his name because I
• 55:40
  didn't. I don't even know who.
• 55:42
  I haven't paid attention enough to know who's going to be back
• 55:44
  there. But that that safety position,
• 55:47
  it's a it's a safety position, man.
• 55:48
  Yeah. Really.
• 55:49
  That safety. Position is is definitely
• 55:52
  important this year. Yeah, we haven't even flowers.
• 55:54
  I mentioned the Sherrod Koval. I mean, yeah.
• 55:58
  He's kind of, you know what's crazy?
• 55:59
  Brian is like, I feel like, I mean, I mean, Dan mentioned him
• 56:02
  already once tonight. Cole's kind of been an
• 56:05
  afterthought and not in a disrespectful way.
• 56:08
  It's like no one's really talking about him.
• 56:10
  I feel go going into this season.
• 56:12
  And I mean, he was such a highly touted recruiter out of Virginia
• 56:15
  going down to Clemson. And I mean, it was a big deal
• 56:18
  When? When?
• 56:18
  We did he come in hurt though. Yeah.
• 56:21
  He's been, he's been nicked. I don't think he played much
• 56:24
  during the. Well, he two years ago he was
• 56:27
  playing really well. He got hurt and then he had to
• 56:30
  come on the field last year after an ACL and he actually
• 56:34
  played like OK in the in the time period that he had to play.
• 56:38
  So healing up from that, could he give us more like I think he
• 56:44
  could. It's, it's been a tough Rd. for
• 56:46
  him though. Obviously, like you don't end up
• 56:48
  back here from Clemson unless some things have maybe gone a
• 56:52
  little haywire. But between him, Ellis Cash,
• 56:57
  like we, we've kind of alluded to it like we're going to find
• 56:59
  enough pieces because I think it's, I think it's Q and it's
• 57:02
  flowers to start. But there's enough here that you
• 57:05
  really have some nice depth. Yeah.
• 57:07
  And I know Pete, we talked about it after the spring game, like
• 57:11
  Ellis probably looked the best overall in that game, but then I
• 57:16
  know he got nicked up shortly thereafter.
• 57:18
  And, you know, seems like he's a little bit behind flowers in
• 57:22
  Reddish at this point. And I know Reddish didn't get a
• 57:24
  whole lot of burn during the spring either, but it it's good.
• 57:28
  I think they're going to play a lot of guys.
• 57:30
  I think you're going to see at least you know, other names you
• 57:32
  named at least five, maybe even six of those guys getting pretty
• 57:36
  considerate burned in in the safety room.
• 57:39
  You. See that I mean.
• 57:40
  Comment. And then you got the dark, like
• 57:45
  the dark horse Jordan Bass, like, we don't know.
• 57:47
  Is he going to red shirt? Is he going to play any like
• 57:50
  looks pretty good in practice, but you know, a little
• 57:52
  undersized, a little hurt. Like we don't like what we don't
• 57:56
  know. It's going to be a carousel of
• 57:59
  friends we made along the way. The answer to this question,
• 58:02
  gentlemen, really is who's the most important player.
• 58:04
  It's it's every single frigging one of them.
• 58:07
  Yeah. I mean, I mean, just the
• 58:10
  defensive performance last year specifically, I mean, just left
• 58:14
  us all scratching our heads so many times and that really we've
• 58:20
  talked about it ad nauseam. You know, like Dick talked about
• 58:23
  it with you all last week. I mean, it's it's coaching.
• 58:27
  And just we kind of the moment we all kind of knew this wasn't
• 58:31
  working out with with coach Marv again, not no disrespect to him,
• 58:34
  was the Syracuse game and that that game kind of was a
• 58:38
  epitomized his defenses and, and the defenses of old.
• 58:43
  And with coach Steve Stevekis, like we just can't have that.
• 58:48
  Like you have to see a stark improvement across the board
• 58:54
  defensively. I I loved it.
• 58:56
  I put it on X the other day. The fact that coach Xavier DB is
• 59:00
  coaching the inside linebackers. No, that fires me up.
• 59:03
  Like I I love that he was one of my favorite Virginia Tech
• 59:07
  football players of all, but wouldn't have it any other way.
• 59:10
  So we all agree, you know, defense has got to be asked to
• 59:15
  play with poise. We got to swarm with the
• 59:16
  football. We got to play with confidence
• 59:18
  and we got to we got to play mean man.
• 59:20
  That's Bud foster mentality, lunch panel mentality.
• 59:23
  It's it's everyone's important now.
• 59:27
  This is, I like what you say, everyone's important because I
• 59:30
  think with C, because we've talked about it earlier and I
• 59:32
  think y'all are probably seeing it too, looking back at Wofford,
• 59:36
  understanding where he's coming from is I do think you're not
• 59:39
  going to get run-of-the-mill every week.
• 59:41
  I do think, and you've heard him talk about like we need to
• 59:43
  occasionally be able to adjust. This is going to be a power run
• 59:46
  team. We've got to be able to adjust.
• 59:47
  We can't just Brian, you said this a long time ago about the
• 59:50
  Fuente Air. We're just going to do what we
• 59:52
  do Sam Seif just doesn't think like that.
• 59:55
  You don't do what we do. You do what's going to stop
• 59:58
  them, because if you do what you do and what you do is what they
• 1:00:01
  can absolutely feast on, then you're going to get killed every
• 1:00:04
  game. And I think it goes to a point
• 1:00:07
  of I think every week, if you ask me what would be perfect
• 1:00:11
  every week when we go live, Pete, you guys jump on, then you
• 1:00:16
  talk about it, Grayson, you tweet, you want a new player.
• 1:00:20
  Well, Grayson, you're more than welcome to come on with anybody,
• 1:00:22
  anytime. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:00:24
  I'm with you know what I'm. Saying here every now and again.
• 1:00:26
  I'm not. But what I think, what I would
• 1:00:29
  love to see is every week it's a tweeter to talk about.
• 1:00:33
  That was the guy this week. Tyson Flowers absolutely was all
• 1:00:36
  over the field. Dante Lovett put this guy on
• 1:00:39
  lock. They couldn't look his way the
• 1:00:41
  whole game. Jacqueline Bell just kept coming
• 1:00:43
  off the edge. The tackles had nothing for him.
• 1:00:46
  Pause. I pause.
• 1:00:50
  But you see what I'm saying is I think because of what Ceekus is,
• 1:00:55
  and like we talk about his mind and about like what he likes to
• 1:00:57
  do, I think that would be the story.
• 1:01:00
  It's every week there's a new hero and every week somebody
• 1:01:03
  does something great. And if that's the story, then it
• 1:01:07
  goes back to what we've been talking about, what Pete alluded
• 1:01:10
  to, what Tally's alluded to. We've had talent.
• 1:01:13
  We have not had the coaches to put these gentlemen in positions
• 1:01:17
  to be successful. Yeah.
• 1:01:18
  And Curtis, when I talk about, you know, that do what we do
• 1:01:21
  mentality, it kind of goes back to what Sheldon was talking
• 1:01:23
  about earlier with not really having an off speed pitch or not
• 1:01:27
  really having a counter punch. When I think if we do, we do,
• 1:01:30
  that's your punch. But when you get punched in the
• 1:01:33
  mouth of yourself, you got to have a counter punch.
• 1:01:34
  You got to have something else that you can bring to the table
• 1:01:37
  and adjust and take away that element that they brought to the
• 1:01:41
  table that maybe you weren't prepared for or maybe you didn't
• 1:01:45
  exactly think that you were going to, that they were going
• 1:01:46
  to stack up the same way that they have in this matchup.
• 1:01:49
  You've got to have something else in your toolbox that can
• 1:01:54
  mitigate those problems that arise in a game.
• 1:01:57
  You've got to have those mitigation strategies as they
• 1:02:00
  come around. That's about preparation and
• 1:02:03
  that goes back to coaching. Is are you talking about when
• 1:02:05
  Rutgers run the same play 8 times and no 15 yards of play?
• 1:02:10
  Every time. The.
• 1:02:11
  Flat. That's one of.
• 1:02:12
  Them the flat was so open. Football is a is, I mean, it is
• 1:02:17
  a complex sport, but it's really not as complicated as some
• 1:02:21
  people make it. I always talk.
• 1:02:23
  I'm not a Alabama fan. By no means we got some crazy
• 1:02:26
  fans. They all rednecks and correct.
• 1:02:30
  I'll just say that anyway. But Nick Saban is the GOAT.
• 1:02:33
  Like that is Nick Saban is the GOAT.
• 1:02:35
  If you go study how he coached and things he did, he knew how
• 1:02:41
  to change his team. If you go back and look at the
• 1:02:44
  early Nick Saban Alabama teams, it was all about a pocket
• 1:02:48
  quarterback and, you know, standing back and, and, and
• 1:02:52
  being in the pocket and, and relying on the running game.
• 1:02:55
  And then they had to shift and they had Blake Sims as a
• 1:02:58
  quarterback one year and Alabama fans lost their mind.
• 1:03:02
  Why do we got a quarterback back here running around?
• 1:03:04
  That's not what a quarterback does.
• 1:03:06
  Well, Nick knew the game was changing.
• 1:03:08
  He had to have a dual threat quarterback.
• 1:03:11
  Blake Sims just wasn't the quarterback that was going to
• 1:03:13
  take him to the next level. Then he went out and recruited
• 1:03:16
  the players that was going to take him to the next level, like
• 1:03:18
  Jalen Hurts and to And then he gets in a national championship
• 1:03:23
  game and goes, hey, you got to see, but you ain't getting the
• 1:03:26
  job done. And he puts in a cold
• 1:03:29
  quarterback that's a young quarterback, and they go beat
• 1:03:32
  Georgia. You know, again, I don't think
• 1:03:35
  Brett Pryor is Nick Saban, but I think if you're getting paid
• 1:03:39
  millions of dollars to coach a sport, you should study those
• 1:03:43
  people how I study them. And if they can change players,
• 1:03:45
  you can. We haven't go back to what Pete
• 1:03:48
  said. We haven't coached them for
• 1:03:51
  three years. And I'm not saying it's
• 1:03:53
  magically going to happen this year, but I hope it magically
• 1:03:57
  happens this year. Well, and that's the craziest
• 1:03:59
  part is I don't think we've had the best staff in the world the
• 1:04:01
  last three years to say the least, and we were still this
• 1:04:05
  close to beating a top ten team, this close to having an 8-9 win
• 1:04:10
  season with a few. Things.
• 1:04:11
  Go the. Yeah, exactly.
• 1:04:13
  All six wins, 10 loins are. Last, Last.
• 1:04:15
  Year, yeah, I mean. That Medford's got a friggin
• 1:04:19
  that improved this season. It's got what?
• 1:04:22
  Yeah. I mean, you're hoping when we
• 1:04:24
  play South Carolina that it is a close game and that we win and
• 1:04:29
  then you can reverse all of this narrative right off the bat.
• 1:04:33
  I mean, that would be the dream scenario.
• 1:04:34
  But even if Vandy is that it's a 3 point game, which it very well
• 1:04:38
  could be and it's on the foot of John Love and we win.
• 1:04:42
  Like that's the kind of stuff we need to happen to be like, OK,
• 1:04:46
  we're, we're moving in the right direction now.
• 1:04:49
  Right. So what are the one close game
• 1:04:51
  that he's won at this point? Was what the Liberty game,
• 1:04:53
  right? Jesus Christ.
• 1:04:55
  The Jaylen Holsten Legacy game. Yeah, jeez, the cover was bare.
• 1:05:01
  What? I mean what?
• 1:05:04
  And that's no disrespect to Holsten.
• 1:05:06
  I love you kid, but like man, damn.
• 1:05:09
  Dude, we needed some fortunate things to happen to win that
• 1:05:13
  game too. We really did.
• 1:05:15
  So, so we're kind of on it. I'm going to, I'm going to
• 1:05:17
  actually add a little bit to this and, and, and get some
• 1:05:20
  perspective because we talked about at the end of the first
• 1:05:22
  segment a little bit with the Board of visitors stuff and what
• 1:05:28
  what Wit's trying to put together needing 200 million to,
• 1:05:32
  to feel like you're competing well in the ACC.
• 1:05:35
  But I want to do it this time through the lens of Brent Pry
• 1:05:38
  and his tenure here. If WIT can go out there and
• 1:05:42
  secure 200 million, do we have the pieces in play where we're
• 1:05:48
  still calling Brent Pryor the head coach, the Hokies in three
• 1:05:51
  years? I want Dan to go first.
• 1:06:01
  I'm glad I wit shout out wit man reminded me of Latrell Sprewell.
• 1:06:05
  I can't feed my family on 13 million.
• 1:06:12
  I want to say yes, but I don't know because you know, if he
• 1:06:17
  brings in Montgomery, most qualified at the time of higher
• 1:06:22
  offensive coordinator Virginia Tech has ever had.
• 1:06:26
  And then you go get Sam Seekus. You bring them in completely out
• 1:06:30
  of left field. We had no idea like, like who
• 1:06:33
  you know, like the Snoop, the Snoop, whatever the the the
• 1:06:38
  famous meme. But then you bring this dude in
• 1:06:41
  and then you get to know him and he's very calm, but he's very
• 1:06:44
  intense when he speaks and he's very confident and having half
• 1:06:48
  the hair, half of it should go like that thing like that is
• 1:06:52
  like. He's like, it's bad.
• 1:06:54
  He rocks it dude, and he doesn't care.
• 1:06:57
  And like, he's so psychotically obsessed with the intricacies of
• 1:07:05
  what the offense is doing and making sure his scheme is
• 1:07:09
  complex, but yet simple enough that this players don't have to
• 1:07:13
  think about it. You know, they just do it, which
• 1:07:16
  is what this is what they've said.
• 1:07:18
  The game still have to be played and it has to be executed.
• 1:07:21
  But I think with the money we currently have, we should be
• 1:07:27
  able to win 8 or 9 a year. And that's still like should be
• 1:07:31
  a floor for the ACC, in my opinion.
• 1:07:35
  But we come from a different era of watching Tech, so we got a
• 1:07:38
  different perception of what Virginia Tech football should
• 1:07:41
  be. Yeah.
• 1:07:44
  I mean, if you get 200 million a year, like, you should be top.
• 1:07:49
  You should be top tier. ACC.
• 1:07:52
  Half Perennial playoff team. Can you recite the the end of
• 1:07:55
  the question one more time just to like?
• 1:07:58
  Yeah. So like just kind of if, if
• 1:07:59
  wit's able to get us there, if and if the pieces that prize
• 1:08:03
  brought on from a staff perspective work out, will we
• 1:08:06
  still see Brent Pry as the head coach in?
• 1:08:09
  Three. Well, oh.
• 1:08:09
  If they if they work out, hell yeah if.
• 1:08:11
  They work out, yeah. But the question is like, will
• 1:08:14
  we see still see Brent Pry like because if it works out,
• 1:08:18
  obviously he'll still be here. But if we're O and two, he gone
• 1:08:22
  like that. Like if we are O and two, it is
• 1:08:25
  over for Brent Pry, without a doubt.
• 1:08:28
  You cannot lose to Rutgers back-to-back years and then
• 1:08:31
  Vanderbilt back-to-back years and still be the freaking head
• 1:08:34
  coach at Virginia Tech. You cannot do that.
• 1:08:37
  Amen. If Brent Pryor goes six and six,
• 1:08:40
  he's still coaching. Yeah, I just want to let y'all
• 1:08:42
  know. Oh yeah, you're correct, because
• 1:08:43
  Gene at CMG Leasing says not if. Not if the first two games are
• 1:08:47
  losses. If he knew this to South
• 1:08:49
  Carolina and Vanderbilt, but still win six games, Pete, we're
• 1:08:53
  going to be talking about this next year.
• 1:08:55
  He's still going to be here. I don't think so but that that's
• 1:08:57
  fine. We can have a difference of
• 1:08:58
  opinion on that. I just think that it will get so
• 1:09:00
  toxic so fast after Owen 2. You're going to have a big face.
• 1:09:05
  It will. It will.
• 1:09:06
  At least it will equal 2021 post Fuente.
• 1:09:11
  We think. We think Fuente's gone and then
• 1:09:13
  all of a sudden wit's bringing it back.
• 1:09:14
  It'll, it'll reach those levels, I want you to think.
• 1:09:16
  And it'll be lame duck. So what's the fucking point?
• 1:09:18
  But here's what's got to. Happen.
• 1:09:19
  That's my. We said Wit doesn't get fired.
• 1:09:22
  If Wit doesn't get fired, Wit's not firing him.
• 1:09:25
  A night game in Lane Stadium against Vanderbilt and you lose
• 1:09:31
  after losing to them the previous year.
• 1:09:33
  It's over. It is over.
• 1:09:36
  Steven, I disagree with that. I I think the new hires are a
• 1:09:40
  last ditch effort. He messes it up this year, he's
• 1:09:43
  gone. And I know, I know that wasn't
• 1:09:45
  the question. The question is, you know, you
• 1:09:47
  raise the money. Is he still the coach?
• 1:09:49
  Yeah, maybe, maybe. But I mean, if those new hires,
• 1:09:54
  he was given the chance to fire the coordinators that weren't
• 1:09:57
  hacking it or letting them take it to motion to go to Ohio
• 1:10:00
  State, whatever. But yeah, it's this is it for
• 1:10:05
  him. This is the last season Peach
• 1:10:06
  right? You start the season O and two
• 1:10:09
  it's wraps. It's.
• 1:10:09
  Done. There's so many like questions
• 1:10:13
  that go along with stuff that I have that my mind just like
• 1:10:16
  wanders about does Brett Pratt, was he the one who made the
• 1:10:21
  hires? Like they say he made them, but
• 1:10:24
  he doesn't make those hires when he comes in as a coach.
• 1:10:26
  Like it was other people that had that was on the board that
• 1:10:30
  had. I don't think so.
• 1:10:33
  I I think that's well. It's I mean everything comes
• 1:10:35
  from the top down. Wit, if Wit let if wit let a
• 1:10:39
  first time head coach hire two first time coordinators, which
• 1:10:43
  it seems he did. Yeah, that's on Wit too.
• 1:10:47
  But Pride made those hires. There was connections from Penn
• 1:10:50
  State with Bowen. There was connections from
• 1:10:52
  Vanderbilt with Marv. Those are his hires.
• 1:10:54
  The only thing we don't know is were there other hires that were
• 1:10:57
  vetoed for one reason or another?
• 1:11:00
  We know who was on the Zoom calls, Brian, when those hires
• 1:11:04
  were were made. We know the Eye of Sauron was
• 1:11:07
  was on there. And we all know who I'm talking
• 1:11:09
  about. We all know who I'm talking
• 1:11:11
  about. Yeah, I.
• 1:11:11
  Understand, man, it's a it's a good old boy network and it's
• 1:11:15
  all about about who somebody else knows and well, let's not
• 1:11:20
  interview him because some people didn't get calls and some
• 1:11:23
  people did. So I feel like a lot of times
• 1:11:26
  these people watch each other's back.
• 1:11:28
  Again, I don't want to get into the conspiracy, but that's why I
• 1:11:31
  just be thinking like, I never am, Like, well, he's got to be
• 1:11:34
  gone. And this is that.
• 1:11:36
  If if wit's gone, sure, pride's gone.
• 1:11:40
  I love, I love the people getting sub tweeted in these
• 1:11:42
  conversations. We had 70 gets sub tweeted
• 1:11:44
  tonight. We got four.
• 1:11:45
  We got, we got JB getting sub tweeted.
• 1:11:48
  I love it. Here's my thing.
• 1:11:52
  Here's my thing, I really don't know what this year's going to
• 1:11:56
  look like. Obviously, you said if the
• 1:11:57
  pieces work out, which was a caveat to the question.
• 1:12:00
  Yes, he's still here because everything else he's masterful
• 1:12:03
  at. As far as from APR perspective,
• 1:12:06
  the shit they sent Jon Gruden was masterful.
• 1:12:08
  That was a hell of a box. Shout out to the marketing team.
• 1:12:12
  Can we afford? It.
• 1:12:12
  But what I'm saying is yeah. Right.
• 1:12:19
  Here's the question. You have to pick, I think what
• 1:12:22
  side of it you're on. Because if you're on Twitter and
• 1:12:25
  you're doing all these tweets like, hey, we're only going to
• 1:12:28
  win four, If your expectation is four or five wins and then he
• 1:12:32
  wins 6, don't call for him to get fired because he exceeds
• 1:12:35
  your expectation. So if your expectation is nine
• 1:12:38
  wins and he only wins 5, then yeah.
• 1:12:42
  But if your expect, if you're on there like, yeah, we're going to
• 1:12:45
  win like 3 or 4 games and then he wins six or seven, you can't
• 1:12:48
  call for him to be fired because he exceeds your expectation.
• 1:12:51
  Damn, that's what they said in the board of visitors meeting.
• 1:12:54
  Jean at CMG Leasing, she said that we're competitive at five
• 1:12:59
  or six wins. That's what she's saying.
• 1:13:01
  She's surprised we're as competitive as we are.
• 1:13:04
  Yeah, she's, she's thrilled that we're competitive.
• 1:13:06
  It's like 1. Damn, I thought she.
• 1:13:08
  She also doesn't understand what.
• 1:13:09
  I want to say this with Curtis, I know, but I want to say this.
• 1:13:14
  I know you probably got the most pull on this board right here.
• 1:13:18
  I need you to start talking to these people and let them know
• 1:13:21
  Jon Gruden looks like Chucky. You need to send me that stuff
• 1:13:27
  because I would put it to better use than Chucky.
• 1:13:30
  He's got a whole. He's got a whole freaking closet
• 1:13:32
  full of it from 10 different schools.
• 1:13:34
  Yeah, he don't care. He ain't going to use that.
• 1:13:36
  Send that to me and Dan and Pete and we going to be wearing it in
• 1:13:39
  the stadium. I want that baseball helmet.
• 1:13:41
  How can I? Get that?
• 1:13:42
  Hey, He. Told a really good TOTS rail
• 1:13:45
  story so I'll give him that. I'll wear that helmet.
• 1:13:47
  I'll wear that helmet. I'll wear that helmet the worst
• 1:13:50
  I'll. Wear that helmet, Magic City.
• 1:13:52
  I mean the gloves. And he got all three helmets.
• 1:13:56
  The helmet stays on during the lap dance. 4 total helmets,
• 1:13:59
  right, including the baseball. Helmet you're never going to.
• 1:14:04
  Call out your name again. Back me up like that.
• 1:14:07
  Back to what we were talking about here about the fire.
• 1:14:09
  First of all, my apologies, Whit Babcock has to go first.
• 1:14:12
  That's fine. Whit Babcock will have to go
• 1:14:14
  first. It's it's a messy situation.
• 1:14:16
  Because I want to ask you all a question.
• 1:14:18
  Well, let's fire Pry for this year.
• 1:14:19
  You won't to wait. You won't wait to make a third
• 1:14:21
  hire. No.
• 1:14:22
  No way. You won't wait to make a third
• 1:14:24
  hire. He doesn't.
• 1:14:26
  Get to. There's no way.
• 1:14:28
  So that means you got to fire Whit by mid-october so you can
• 1:14:31
  have a new AD, so you can actually hire a coach.
• 1:14:33
  That's what makes it all very challenging, right?
• 1:14:36
  And when I when I said price done, I didn't mean like that
• 1:14:39
  night. I mean like for all intents and
• 1:14:41
  purposes it's it's done, but. You need to wait the next year
• 1:14:45
  though. Yeah, it'll be 2020.
• 1:14:47
  Six, Well, I don't know. I don't know about that, but
• 1:14:49
  like, let me, let me back up. Hold on.
• 1:14:52
  I don't. No, no, no, no.
• 1:14:53
  Hold on. Stop.
• 1:14:55
  So you're saying you're willing to get wit fired in January and
• 1:14:59
  try to make a February head coach hire?
• 1:15:03
  No, that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying if it's if, it's as
• 1:15:07
  bad. And this is an if because
• 1:15:09
  personally, I don't think we're going Owen 2.
• 1:15:11
  I want to make that clear. This is all an if.
• 1:15:14
  If we are Owen 2 and then it it spirals into a bad season, You
• 1:15:19
  cannot wait to make those changes.
• 1:15:22
  You cannot wait. As we love to do by the way, and
• 1:15:26
  like I Pete, we talked about this on too deep when you and
• 1:15:29
  Sam had me on. We are traditionally we are not
• 1:15:32
  that school. We're making mid season changes.
• 1:15:35
  We're just not that school. But if that happens, we have to
• 1:15:39
  be. You have you have no choice.
• 1:15:41
  And y'all that BOV meeting what that told me and this is
• 1:15:46
  disrespect to no one with knows in one way or another.
• 1:15:52
  He's not going to be the AD at Virginia Tech for much longer,
• 1:15:56
  whether it's by his own doing, he resigns whatever or he he
• 1:16:01
  knows like I or I get fired first because it everything he
• 1:16:06
  knows my job rides starting next weekend again South Carolina and
• 1:16:14
  Mercedes-Benz Stadium. My job starts, I'm basically on
• 1:16:18
  a four month. Imagine the stress sitting in
• 1:16:23
  that stadium if you're like, if you're with Babcock.
• 1:16:26
  Like just. I mean, and, and the stress when
• 1:16:29
  he's watching us lose to Vanderbilt.
• 1:16:31
  Oh my God. I can't even imagine I wouldn't
• 1:16:34
  sleep at night. Hey Joe Rogers gave him a a face
• 1:16:37
  full in in Norfolk when when that ODU loss happened coming.
• 1:16:41
  Reportedly. From him.
• 1:16:44
  That that's, that's the word on the street.
• 1:16:46
  Yeah, I was. I was there for that.
• 1:16:48
  I had a front row ticket to. That where are you?
• 1:16:50
  Where are you? Yeah, OK.
• 1:16:52
  I saw that happen. Yeah.
• 1:16:54
  All right. Yeah.
• 1:16:55
  And so like under that, under that situation that that means
• 1:16:59
  that you're probably if you go into and you actually have the
• 1:17:03
  the stones to make the move, that means you're probably
• 1:17:06
  firing wit sometime in October and you're having to get a new
• 1:17:09
  AD in place at the latest before the Commonwealth Cup.
• 1:17:13
  It's not good. It's not.
• 1:17:15
  Good. Yeah, unfortunately, Georgia
• 1:17:17
  Tech just hired him. So his name is Ryan Alpert.
• 1:17:21
  He would have been great from Tennessee.
• 1:17:23
  Give me give me 6 more names then Dane.
• 1:17:28
  Let's Yeah. I don't know but what I'm saying
• 1:17:32
  is. He said give me 6 more.
• 1:17:35
  You can't say, well, the guy that just got hired.
• 1:17:38
  I was making. I was being a.
• 1:17:39
  Bitch. Well, listen, we all, we are all
• 1:17:41
  hoping as much as it sucks, as much as we may not like what WIT
• 1:17:46
  has done the last couple years, we are all hoping that we don't
• 1:17:51
  have. It doesn't have to come to that.
• 1:17:52
  Exactly Like we are hoping that we beat South Carolina, we beat
• 1:17:55
  Mandy and we're two and O and we're not even thinking about
• 1:17:59
  Whip Babcock. We're thinking about we're a 210
• 1:18:01
  football team like that and we just, that's the dream.
• 1:18:04
  We're. At this point then, so I mean go
• 1:18:07
  ahead Dan, I'll let you finish. As far as the whole situation
• 1:18:10
  goes, I think it started honestly, it started with Jim
• 1:18:13
  Weaver. It it started to fall behind
• 1:18:15
  there. And then WIT just didn't do
• 1:18:17
  enough with what he can control. He couldn't control the ACC
• 1:18:21
  commissioner making the regional Sports Network deals and that
• 1:18:24
  falling through. And then we've fallen massively
• 1:18:26
  behind and money. But he didn't do enough to
• 1:18:29
  control what he could control. And he went, yeah, he went in
• 1:18:34
  front of this board knowing that he was about to look like shit
• 1:18:39
  and he was going to have to eat a lot of shit sandwiches to beg
• 1:18:41
  for money. I thought, like, he did a good
• 1:18:45
  job conveying how bad it is because when you go in asking
• 1:18:50
  for money, you're not like, you know, I need like 30 million.
• 1:18:53
  But if you don't want to do it, that's cool.
• 1:18:54
  Like, it wasn't like you got to really, like, sell the fact
• 1:18:58
  that, you know, this shit's dire straits.
• 1:19:00
  And I think he did that. So hopefully they cough it up.
• 1:19:03
  But, you know, he did pull the Magic Johnson.
• 1:19:05
  Like, I don't know, I'm not going to be here type thing, but
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  yeah. I think the thing that pissed me
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  off the most was like the the thing that we, and I say we
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  collectively like, and that's the fan base, but also the
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  athletic department needed to be better at, you know, regardless
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  of where we're at overall, like we shouldn't be in the bottom of
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  public institutions in the ACC for.
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  Athletic. But not with our enrollment, no.
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  Not at all, but I think Tim Sands finally realized, hey, I
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  got to do some shit here so. He knows his days are numbered,
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  mixed. There's get him out of there.
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  There's no better motivator than embarrassment, and that might.
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  They all got embarrassed yesterday and it's it's it's
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  kind of crazy because everyone's had those, whether it's David
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  Teal or Andy Bitter putting out the quotes and then.
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  You know, some of those quotes don't look very good and whether
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  they were taken out of context or not, they don't look very
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  good. And those people of of that ilk
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  don't like to be embarrassed. And they kind of got, they kind
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  of got embarrassed and. They said it cost money to win
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  and it cost money to lose. Well, you know, yeah.
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  That that was that was the best, that was the best point conveyed
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  in the whole thing is that if you're you're going to lose
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  money on this thing regardless, it's better to lose money and
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  have a winning product. And you know, what's funny is
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  like the measures that we've taken over the years to save
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  money, meaning playing at ODU, playing at Marshall, those have
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  cost us money on the back end for sure.
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  Because when you go to ODU, you put your head in the lion's
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  mouth. You lose twice.
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  You are damaging the brand. You are killing casual fan
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  interests. You are killing merchandise
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  sales, ticket sales. It has cost us more money with
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  all the dumb shit that skimping on Fuente's salary pool.
• 1:21:01
  I don't even like Justin Fuente as a coach, but we skimped on
• 1:21:04
  his salary pool. We lose to Liberty, we lose to
• 1:21:06
  all these teams. It costs US money on the back
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  end because then we got to fire him.
• 1:21:12
  We're paying his buyout, the whole 9 yards.
• 1:21:15
  I was pretty dead after that Marshall game.
• 1:21:16
  I think the Marshall game wasn't about money and it was more
• 1:21:19
  about they came and bailed our ass out and got us boy eligible
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  so we had to go play a game there.
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  I think that's how that went. But still, it was shitty.
• 1:21:27
  We should have. Beat their.
• 1:21:27
  Ass little brother-in-law deal there.
• 1:21:30
  Yeah, exactly. Well, let's, let's go ahead and
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  wrap this thing up, guys. So what we're going to do now
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  we, we, we've talked a lot here, but we, we got to get some
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  record predictions of what you guys think, how you think the
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  season's going to wrap up and maybe even, you know, add a
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  little little little blurb there to to your explanation.
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  And Pete, I'll start with you since you said you don't think
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  we're going to fall flat on our face out the gate.
• 1:21:52
  I, I don't and we could lose to South Carolina, without a doubt.
• 1:21:55
  We could lose to Vandy. But I think we're getting one of
• 1:21:58
  those games, if not both, We're we're going to get one.
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  And I think the final record will be 8:00 and 4:00 because
• 1:22:05
  even if we were to go 2 and O and we look like world beaters.
• 1:22:08
  Well, there was a time in life when we beat Ohio State and then
• 1:22:11
  lost to ECU the next week. This is something that Virginia
• 1:22:14
  Tech does. We will have stupid losses.
• 1:22:17
  And so even if we turn it up a notch and we win some close
• 1:22:20
  games, eight and four seems like the record.
• 1:22:23
  I think we're probably three and one in the non con and then, you
• 1:22:31
  know, we'll see what happens. But like 5 and 3, three and one,
• 1:22:34
  that's eight and four. That's what I'm going with.
• 1:22:37
  Dan. So a couple weeks ago, man, I
• 1:22:40
  wasn't really like trying to do this record prediction shit.
• 1:22:43
  And then, like, recently, the spirit of college football has
• 1:22:47
  retaken my soul and I'm juiced. I'm ready.
• 1:22:52
  I've been, you know, I watched it.
• 1:22:54
  Yeah. I watched the Josh Peyton
• 1:22:56
  episode of Busting with the Boys.
• 1:22:58
  I'm ready. Like, I watched that SEC stuff
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  on Netflix. And I think it really depends on
• 1:23:05
  how South Carolina and Vandy go. I do think we get one of those.
• 1:23:11
  I'm not going to say we get both, but it is kind of weird
• 1:23:14
  how the script is flipped this year where you have the media
• 1:23:17
  darling coming in to play the team with the hot seat coach who
• 1:23:21
  brought in brand new coordinators and like 30
• 1:23:23
  transfers. And now, now Diego Pavia is also
• 1:23:27
  the one with expectation. And I hope we beat that dude's
• 1:23:31
  ass in Lane Stadium for that. I don't hate him, I just don't
• 1:23:34
  want him to beat us. So I'm thinking I teeter between
• 1:23:39
  if we win one of those. I'm saying 8 is possible, but
• 1:23:44
  seven and five seems to be the first thing that pops in my head
• 1:23:49
  without a bowl. 7 and five without a bowl.
• 1:23:52
  Guys, on January 27th of this year, after the season was over,
• 1:23:57
  it's my pin tweet on my on my profile.
• 1:24:00
  I said we were going to win five games in 2025 and guess what?
• 1:24:03
  I'm I got to stand on that. I said we're going to win five
• 1:24:06
  games and I really think that's the case.
• 1:24:10
  I I don't know. I, I don't know, man, after last
• 1:24:13
  year, you're not going to have me out here predicting a winning
• 1:24:17
  record. This is the show me something
• 1:24:19
  season. You want me to give you hype win
• 1:24:22
  a football game. How about that?
• 1:24:25
  Like I, I don't, I'm done with all this semantics and all this.
• 1:24:28
  So like hunky Dory smoke and mirror shit.
• 1:24:31
  No, no, show me something. Make me a fan again like I I I'm
• 1:24:36
  always going to watch the. When you back when?
• 1:24:39
  Racer said You got to earn it, yeah.
• 1:24:41
  They they do. Straight up and you'll all deep
• 1:24:45
  down, you feel that way a little bit.
• 1:24:47
  See, I'm getting fired up, man. Because now I know college
• 1:24:48
  football. Now I know that my Saturdays and
• 1:24:51
  one Sunday and one Friday are going to be determined by 18 to
• 1:24:55
  22 year olds and that isn't that just a beautiful.
• 1:24:58
  Thing, it's the only way to live.
• 1:24:59
  It's the only. It's the only way to work
• 1:25:01
  through fall. And so.
• 1:25:03
  Is it fall if you're not pinning all of your your your well-being
• 1:25:07
  on 18 to 20 college exactly? I, I said, I said we were going
• 1:25:11
  to lose the the first two games in my tweet.
• 1:25:13
  As the season approaches, I'd like to think we get one.
• 1:25:18
  I don't think it's going to be South Carolina.
• 1:25:20
  I, I had this thought in the car driving home from work the other
• 1:25:23
  day. I'm like, I have the worst
• 1:25:26
  feeling that that that that loss or that game will end in a loss
• 1:25:31
  and it will be soul crushing. Like I could see it being like
• 1:25:36
  Boise State in 2010. I don't know, dude.
• 1:25:39
  I just I have that feeling. And then after that, we'll go
• 1:25:44
  and play Vandy probably very competitively.
• 1:25:46
  You would hope, right? But I say five wins.
• 1:25:50
  Bryson If we go, if we go 2 and O, you're going to start back
• 1:25:52
  podcasting. If we go OO and two will I
• 1:25:56
  start? If we go 2 and O, if we beat
• 1:26:00
  South Carolina and Vandy, you're going to start back podcasting.
• 1:26:03
  Never say never. I I love joining.
• 1:26:06
  It's been fun just kind of being impended.
• 1:26:08
  Going on with Dan is awesome. Going on with Pete and Sam is
• 1:26:10
  the best that a bless. You guys are fantastic.
• 1:26:14
  I've, but I've also said, I've also said it's, it's there's a
• 1:26:18
  lot of them y'all and I like to give you all y'all shine and
• 1:26:23
  I'll stay behind the keyboard and be a little shit from there,
• 1:26:30
  yeah. Ask for better.
• 1:26:32
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• 1:26:36
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• 1:26:48
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• 1:26:50
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