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[Ep 2] Can AI Support Emotional and Spiritual Health? | Dr. Christopher Motley · Age Defiantly with Mark Young

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  All right, we are back on the Performance Driven Living podcast.
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  I'm your host, Mark Young, and I am joined here again by my friend, Dr. Chris Motley.
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  Like this guy, you're like becoming a co-host here, I think.
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  You're just in a show and a waltz, I love that.
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  When I landed here, I thought, man, I was like, I know Mark's going to be here, and
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  then I looked on the stories, and he showed up, and the first thing I was telling you
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  is like, it's like, I got a haircut, and it looks phenomenal.
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  I'm just glad to be here.
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  You do.
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  I do.
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  So yeah, that's awesome.
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  And dude, like I'm so glad you reached out, because we're all here at the Dave Aspery
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  Biohacking Conference, and it's like, it's kind of funny, because they say it's kind
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  of like homecoming, like you just walk around, I had to laugh, I was looking for somebody
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  earlier, and it took me like a half hour to walk through the showroom, because like, just
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  walking through was a dozen stops, and a hey, what's up, and hugs, and everything else,
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  and like, it's just, it's so cool to see everybody, right?
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  It's true.
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  I mean, you know, like watching you go through a crowd, it's like, you know, everybody.
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  I know a few people, I get that, but when you go through it, but I'm so, like, grateful
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  when you see friends that come in the house, decently, they're like, like mind andness, and
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  I love it that they're this energy in this one spot, though.
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  There is.
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  And we last night did the inaugural dinner for the Lifelong Well-being Foundation, but what
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  is that about?
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  Nick Zaldestani, you know who Nick is?
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  Nick's been a good friend for years, but he, um, he actually started a nonprofit that
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  is actually working in, and maybe this is a conversation, but he's actually been, um,
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  working with Dave Asperin, Callie Means, and Del Big Tree, and all these big names that
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  we all got together for the dinner last night.
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  Um, but it was a great event, but it was a fundraising dinner that was intentioned, um,
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  to launch Lifelong Well-being, and Lifelong Well-being is actually the foundation that is
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  bringing, I say, it's the on-campus voice for the longevity movement.
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  Wow.
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  And it's bringing our industry, if I can say that, on to college campuses, and getting
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  college, ecology students to develop life skills that are healthy, wilder, and in school,
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  because they're in this, like you're in home and you can start to develop your identity
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  in high school, of course, but it's like you still eat what's in the fridge.
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  That's exactly right.
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  Right.
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  You still live in a, in a probably an EMF toxic environment and so on, because you're
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  subject to whatever your parents are doing, because like when students get out on campus
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  for the first time, it's their first time living out there, it's when they really start
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  developing adult habits.
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  Um, and the entire goal of the organization is to provide that education, to provide that
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  inspiration and that on-campus support so that student ambassadors can actually fire
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  up much like a turning point USA or, or these types of on-campus type things to develop those
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  on-campus programs.
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  So last night was, it was amazing to look around the room, because I want to say there
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  was just under 200 people.
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  He actually bought out Perry Stakehouse here in Austin, and it was Dave Asprey and Candace
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  McDonald and Vani Hari and Jim Quick and, and Callie Means, Dell Big Tree, like it was
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  just the Michael Fisherman's, I mean, it was literally the who's who of the event.
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  Wow.
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  All showing up last night.
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  And it was, it was, it's funny because what I want to say, like looking around the room,
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  if the average person walked in the room, I think they may have recognized a couple
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  people.
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  Yeah.
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  But it's like, it was an all-starved dinner, full of our dinner, like for our industry
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  and in the health and wellness longevity movement, like it was an all-star event.
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  What did, did they, when they go into college campuses, are there, well, studies or percentages
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  they're saying, okay, we know that kids are this sick because they're all like there's
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  certain, let's say, really, like cholesterol, blood sugar levels, and they're seeing a sick
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  pattern, but they know that, like, the maha movement's like, we have to help the, the
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  generation that's that young, I mean, are there, what would be their first steps?
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  Like, I want to know, like, figure, like blood work, your analysis and stuff.
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  So, so I think part of it is they're, so they're looking at eight, and you can look
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  at it online, there's eight dimensions of well-being that they're focused on.
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  So there's spiritual, there's social, there's environmental, there's intellectual, so each
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  of these different dimensions have a different tactic, and the intention behind it is that
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  not only are they trying to get students to live a well-rounded experience, but we're,
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  we're experiencing, I've said this a couple times lately, and that is we're experiencing
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  this tailwind, and we can say it's the Bobby Kennedy maha kind of stuff, like that's helpful,
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  but I was just saying to somebody earlier that, pardon me, that while Bobby and maha and
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  so on have done such a great job of bringing a lot of this stuff to the surface, the reality
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  is as we also are living in a generation where our 20-somethings are, I was saying this
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  earlier, actually, to somebody else, I don't remember even who I was talking to, so when
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  things start coming up a few times, it makes me pay attention.
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  Yes, yes.
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  And the, the one is that, you know, Domo, the new trumpet drink, yeah, okay, yeah, yeah,
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  and I was doing some research with him, and one of the things that I'd mentioned was the fact
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  that the 20-somethings, whatever the gen alpha or whatever the generation is now, that group of
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  people has the lowest level of alcohol consumption in over 70 years, that young people today are just
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  not drinking the way that young people used to drink, like you can see it go up, up, up, up, up,
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  down, and that's literally just decade over decade over decade, and then it just,
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  that takes a plunge since like prohibition almost, like it's a ridiculous number,
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  and then you also see right now a statistic was just released about how the, the greatest surge
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  of church attendance is amongst 20-something-year-old men.
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  What?
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  Young men are going to church at record numbers.
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  You're seeing the big push, what's the big one that Joe Rogan has now been actively attending
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  church on a regular basis, and it was a big story, and obviously you see the outspokens,
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  like the Mark Wahlbergs and everything else, and it was like, so yeah, I'll give Bobby all the
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  Kennedy, or all the Kennedy, all the credit in the world for what he's doing, and Mahas doing
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  an amazing job and stuff, but there's already something else going on, that we're watching
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  a generation starting to become more conscious in it, and I don't even know what I want to say,
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  like what level that even exists at, but like at some level you're watching students seeking
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  spiritual growth. They're not doing the party thing in college the way that it used to be,
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  and it's like that age group is starting to mature, I suppose, at something different, and that's
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  exciting. There would be, because I'm thinking, if something went to the height and you drop,
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  do you think people are in this area, they're trying to create more spiritual awareness?
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  I'm going to stop going into alcohol, and maybe it's disrupting how I perceive reality.
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  Do you think that, I mean, this is the thing, it's like, what would bring such a big change?
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  I don't know. I was saying earlier that it's almost like that, the new revolution is to be
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  counter-revolution, all the college kids drink, so I'm not going to do it. It's almost like the
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  new rebellion is to be healthy, and I think that's actually pretty funny, and I'm wondering if it's
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  like this cycle of life, the 50s generation who were the perfect family values group ended up
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  having the 70s generation, which is all the hippie flower child whatever, and then they ended up
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  having the 90s, which were all the grunge rebels, and it's like, maybe now we're seeing a return,
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  right? We've done the cycle, and it's kind of exciting to see, and I'm sure you've heard of the
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  strong men create good times, good times create weak men, weak men create bad times, and bad times
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  then create strong men. Have you ever heard that? No, not like that. I've heard it.
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  No, that's right. Say it one more time. Okay. It's that good times, what is it?
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  It's a cycle, so it doesn't really matter where you start, but good times create weak men,
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  weak men create bad times, bad times create strong men, and then strong men create good times.
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  That you end up cycling, and I'm wondering if we're just at that cycle right now, which is
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  amazing, because maybe we're at the cycle that we got so weak, that we created a new generation of
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  strong men, and I'm wondering if maybe that's where we are, and that's exciting. Because you see a
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  lot of individuals like, when you say the times create strong men, because there's a lot of
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  individuals that they ever ask, like clients and patients, they come in and they'll say, well,
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  I'm not drinking, and it really, it makes a total point, because I'll ask them why aren't
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  you drinking, and sometimes they'll say, well, I saw my dad drink. They're really like
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  it weakened me. I'm not doing that anymore, so I just choose not to drink. That is a really
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  profound cycle. I've got to remember that. I'll watch this, and it's great. It's very much. It's
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  the greatest generation, right? It's the World War II veterans and stuff, and it's like, and you just
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  that was the greatest generation, and it's like, and I'm wondering if we're back.
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  Maybe we're back in that way. No, Grant, history repeats itself, so who knows, but I mean it's
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  who knows? Maybe we'll move back in that direction. I kind of like it, though. I think that when
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  we look at life in cycles and numbers, when they talk about certain cycles, you'll say like every
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  70 years, or so many years, like bank resets, and credit resets, and like, oh, you know, when they
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  look at these catastrophes, they're like, oh, some people say a new neurology, like we were set
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  for another big catastrophe, and the things happen. That stuff weirds me out, but I'm like,
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  it has just pattern recognition. Yeah, exactly right, pattern recognition. It's seen the pattern
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  and understanding that humans are humans. That's what I love about you, though, because I can see
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  you looking at something like that, and you go, I guarantee he could go. Nailed it. Yeah.
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  That means that you're like, you were like, look at the news, and you're like, like, you're
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  eating your breakfast, you're like, oh, I saw that coming. Yeah, I'm not that guy. I'm not a
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  futurist in that capacity. I'm not that smart, Chris. I have this tendency to be over-analysing
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  more than predicting. That's my problem. I'm just like, you know, that could be better,
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  that could be better, but I love watching patterns, though. I do too. I like to look at patterns.
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  One of the things that you and I love to see is when you look at a pattern, I don't necessarily
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  say I want to predict a pattern in healthcare, but the patterns are so going down. We see the
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  maha movement start to see the pattern. What can we do to make it shift? I don't like to look at
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  a pattern and go, aha, I told you so. I like to look at patterns and go, what can I do to help?
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  Create some shift in it or like create an energy round to make it move. If it's a bad pattern,
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  yes. Yeah. And if it's a good pattern, it's how can we prolong it? Because we know it's
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  eventually going to end. That's the thing, though. It's a cycle. You look at something like,
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  is it going to end? And I'm telling you, I'm with you 100%. I don't want it to happen. I want
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  end, but I'm with you about cycles. Yeah. There's going to be a cycle. And I just got like where we
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  are right now. I actually, I think this movement, I think everything that we're seeing is pushing
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  people in a healthy direction. So when we see that Hall of Fame crowd yesterday, who all
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  descended in the same room, it's, it's just cool to see. Yeah. And of course, planning and around
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  the day, Vasper event didn't hurt because then everybody was in town. But it was just seeing that
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  many people is exciting because we're able to do, it was a think tank. Yeah. Like even the
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  conversations were, how do we deal with college students? Like, what is, what do we do? And it
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  almost was like, Hey, everybody got together, but it wasn't just to socialize. It was getting
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  together to problem solve. Yeah. And that's what actually felt the best out of everything. That's
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  good. I mean, I can see via the beginning of the, I don't try to take away the combo. I'm just saying,
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  like, you know, when you see problems that need to be solved, especially in like in the culture.
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  And that is a great area because, you know, you're seeing kids like, or if K Junior's saying like
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  the kids in elementary and middle school, but they do forget about the kids. And I mean,
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  the college kids can be forgotten. A lot of my families from Korea, and I'm not talking about
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  Korean culture, but one of the things they would see like people in college age back in the day,
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  you know, like you look at, they would say that Japanese children, Japanese college students and
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  Korean students, a lot of them were passing away from high amounts of stress. And they, and this
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  is no knock or the same thing like, but they would die with full stomachs. What they said, they would
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  eat like ramen noodles. And like, I thought it was just a fat. They like, no, they all they did
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  was they'd eat ramen noodles for the car, for the starch, and they'd get a lot of energy to go
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  study. And they're finally, these people were getting sick, you know, like, and they finally
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  noticed that the, that the government was like, we can't have these kids just eating ramen noodles
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  all the time. And hopefully like, they'll see that in our culture too, because you just can't eat
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  food that has empty calorie in it. Yeah, process garbage. Oh, it's, it is sad like what they have.
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  I remember in college, like, I remember the stuff I ate, I couldn't believe I mean, I don't know
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  how I lived. But what we were talking earlier, like with somebody about the, you know, how the
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  freshman 15 was normal. And, and promiscuous sex was normal. And, and, and just drugs and alcohol
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  and where everywhere. And it was like, and it was like, that almost became how you defined the
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  college experience. And you look at movies, like, do you remember the old school movie with Will
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  Farrell? And it's like, there are so many movies from, from generations that almost make that
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  look like it should be the college experience. So that by the time this, the young person gets to
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  college, they've, you know, they've watched so many films that have told them what college life
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  is supposed to look like. And then they go act it out. That's exactly right. Like, it's like,
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  this is what I was told to do. I was told the college was when I drink under 21. And I was told
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  that frat parties were a big deal. And I was told that, you know, this was the deal. And, and it's
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  like, I just look at all of those experiences that, that have happened at college campuses all over
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  the world, particularly here in the US. And we glamorized it to be those years where you just do
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  whatever you want. And it's just hedonism for four years while you're studying. And I think
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  looking at lifelong well-being, it's like the intention behind it is, and I mean, I know I'm
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  selling this foundation here, but it's like the intention behind it is how do we interrupt that
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  pattern and get students to realize that like anxiety levels in colleges are at an all-time
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  high and suicide rates in colleges are at an all-time high. And obesity on college campuses
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  is at an all-time high and dropouts are at an all-time high. And social isolations, particularly
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  post-COVID, all-time high. And you think of how many students are all their classes are online
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  now. And it's like they're not getting the socialization that they need. And the intellectual
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  outputs right now are struggling, particularly because students are now leaning so heavily into AI
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  that they're not even learning anything. They're just getting grades for work that artificial
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  intelligence is produced. And so the reality is is that we're at pandemic level issues on all of
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  these levels. And I think that's where our community really, it's incumbent on us to step in and
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  make those types of interruptions to try to recreate that experience. I mean, with AI taking over,
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  like you say, like a person can't think for themselves because they allow AI to think for them.
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  What would alarm me is like even the kids if they're not that healthy, they turn into that
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  independence. I mean, that's the future. Like, who runs the country? Who runs the world? I think
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  well, AI is just the new mission impossible movie. No, I've heard it was intense, though. It's
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  really good. Is it? It's very good. I saw it last week and it was really good, but it's all about
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  like his mission is to stop AI. And it's kind of crazy because it's one of those movies that it's like,
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  you know, yeah, okay, that could happen. So it's intense, it's really good. A lot of echoes from
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  all the past movies. So that's kind of cool too. But the idea about AI and my belief on the AI
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  thing is like, I think smart people are getting smarter. Yeah. Because smart people are finding out
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  that AI can do some of the lower level things for them while they can go process. Yeah, that's good.
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  That's good. And I believe that not so smart people are getting not so smarter because they're
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  phoning in work. And they don't even know how to recognize when it's good work or bad work.
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  I use AI all the time and I find it is it just multiplies my ability to output.
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  But I'm using it intelligently. I'm not replacing myself. Yeah. And yet I do see people that are
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  using it to just do their work for them. And it's like, but you've lost the ability to critically
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  think. And ask the truth because I, you know, when you look at people like you on social media and
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  they'll like create, and we all, you know, they'll create clips with AI. One of the things that,
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  you know, I know we know like some of the individuals that just crank out so much social media. And
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  one of the things I've heard the last few months is that yes, AI would do this really well,
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  but they need somebody that critically thinks and looks at a clip or something like this actually
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  will not touch them human spirit. This will not affect. And I'm like, really, you know, I'm like,
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  okay, and they say, yes, we, this outperforms what an AI could actually do. And I said, that's the key.
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  Like human spirit. Like you can't touch human spirit. Correct. And that's back to the relational side.
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  Ah, that's true. Yes. It's like we always go back there. You notice that, right?
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  The relation to the side it has been. So I got a question for you because we're talking about AI.
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  We're obviously talking about a hundred things, but you're practicing. I'll say natural path.
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  Right. Like I know you see people in a lot of different areas of things, but you practice
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  naturopathy and really help diagnose. Do you use AI? I wish I did with diagnosis. Now this is
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  what I found. I use all the Chinese medicine, pulse points, tongue, facial features, and some
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  biofeedback with devices. I use myself as like a surrogate. So I hope that doesn't confuse. But AI,
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  I will say this. I've had individuals that have taken their genetic testing and they've taken
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  their gene test and they put it into an AI like chat GPT. I'll have two stories, but really
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  quickly they'll put their genetic testing and they'll ask AI to say what are some of the supplementation
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  that would actually benefit my genetic expression when it deals with anxiety and such. So they do
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  pretty well. The cool thing was functioning now. And then they'll go like should I take cats claw
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  or should I take astralis and they'll go in and ask AI and AI because like the human spirit aspect
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  the relation that we go I don't think with your inability to process this certain type of
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  supplement you shouldn't take this herb and AI will definitely say like you shouldn't take this
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  herb. So they that part of AI like they did on themselves. I had another doc that I knew that he's
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  a basically a board certifies a medical doctor that does a urology and he will take your your
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  analysis and he'll run it through an AI app and they specifically it's a medical AI and it will
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  tell you from your urine levels all the yeast all the mold all the parasites that you got from
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  an analysis from AI just from the set they put so this the thing is it bad to have that in there
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  or is it very beneficial one of my friends started on and the AI app told him which homey
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  path he should take which minerals which medications and you know what his psoriasis started to go away.
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  I had this conversation with you know Alpernia yeah and we were talking about next year's
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  changing life and destiny conference yeah and if it happens great if it doesn't that's called
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  no the conference will happen but yeah I actually told him I said I think the topic next year
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  particularly to draw in more functional practitioners needs to be the use of AI in medicine
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  like because people will fly to hear that conversation because in engaged practitioner can't
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  ignore this no and I think it's I think it's topical that especially by spring of next year
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  there's going to be such an explosion of these types of things and I'm like you know get the
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  function helps get these people in the room like I know several people that are working on medical AI
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  there's a there's an app that I'm working with right now. Her name is Emma Holesdorf and she's
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  amazing now I'll actually give you the URL you can literally have it you hold it up to your face
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  and using facial recognition it will it will it'll tell you your blood pressure
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  it can tell you your heartbeat it can tell you your your HRV levels like it's
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  holding your phone using the camera on your darn phone it will do all of this recognition
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  and it's like what in the holy like it was crazy so we're working with her to actually use it as
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  almost a an online diagnostic tool company but but this idea that like I can hold my phone up to my
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  face and it can tell my blood pressure like that's crazy talk that is crazy but like do you think
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  they'll do it till next year oh it already oh I don't know I'm I'm pushing for it um and but
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  where I was going with that was actually I was on the phone with Al and and I said look I said let's
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  let me give you an example I said I don't know how familiar you are with AI so it's like I went in
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  and I I use the expensive AI's and I'm like so I'm gonna go into deep research mode and I'm gonna
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  invite Dave Aspery and Mark Hyman and Dan Pampa and and Mindy Powell's and I like went through
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  the you know and and I'm gonna invite all of these big name functional practitioners I need you
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  to invite all of these people and I need you to get them to collaborate on a diagnostic plan for
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  this person these are her presenting symptoms bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump this is
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  her health history she's a 46 year old female does not drink does not smoke has two children
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  it's stress at work and just literally just typed in with him on a zoom call like a fake patient
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  profile that you would get out of just a health history nothing crazy as if I never ran a test
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  AI did what it did so on so forth and you know and it doesn't it comes out 15 20 minutes later
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  or something and I get this huge like 20 page medical profile you know based on this symptom
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  blah blah blah blah you know Dan Pampa is actually going to recommend that we work on a metabolic
• 23:28
  question here so on so forth this could actually because of this and this however this symptom
• 23:33
  here doesn't necessarily this we need to rule out that like it was so detailed and it was quoting
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  all of the big names because it's going to pull from every single one of their online profiles
• 23:45
  so it's reading all of their content and everything it already knows about these people
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  and it's phenomenal to me the amount of information that is just sitting there like we live in
• 23:57
  such a time that there is no reason for anybody not to know anything that's right that's right
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  deep with pulling all their voices so I've heard that you could take like a transcript of like the
• 24:08
  the medical the doctor's voice put it into the AI it gets their tone it knows what avenue they're
• 24:13
  going to take like with like how to address like a strip infection or something it puts all their
• 24:19
  ideas together and says this is what they would normally respond harder present and it'll actually
• 24:23
  take all of it and it will think as it is as if it is them so it's when I'm doing it like I always
• 24:29
  pull together who are the people that if I had to put together a dream team who would be in the room
• 24:34
  on my dream team yeah to have this conversation and I literally invite whoever I want if I'm working
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  on marketing stuff like I invite people whose opinions I respect in marketing if I'm working on
• 24:45
  longevity like I'll pull and like and literally create collaboration teams and my AI knows me
• 24:52
  yeah so my AI of course takes all of this kind of stuff and is able to craft it in a way that
• 24:57
  it actually matches me as well um but it it's unbelievable kind of output it's like these types of
• 25:05
  diagnostic tools I'm just I'm curious because as a as a functional practitioner if you're not using
• 25:11
  it do you feel like you're like behind the curve on it and now it's intimidating is it you just
• 25:18
  don't trust it I would say I wouldn't get to a point where I say I wouldn't trust it I think
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  personally um if you feel like you're behind the curve I I'm always a person that thinks that if
• 25:28
  you feel like you're behind the curve just catch up forward and catch up and I think that to the
• 25:34
  reality maybe you know anybody out there's listening could message us and say like maybe I'm not
• 25:38
  thinking at every angle and but one of the things that we both have seen like if a patient comes in
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  and literally they've been to certain doctors they only have a certain amount of time to be in the
• 25:48
  room with them for 10 to 50 units I would think it would be who the doctor to like learn how to use
• 25:53
  it well because literally if you found your blood work a person comes in and you know
• 25:58
  granted I've been in practice for over 20 something years and there's times when you get tired of
• 26:01
  some people they're like okay I just need to know this this and this because I have to get the
• 26:03
  major parts but what if you could learn AI and take that person's blood work take everything that
• 26:09
  you know have your dream team put it into the i app run it through and say okay I only got five
• 26:13
  minutes with you but this is what you will need so I was listening what book was I listening to
• 26:20
  the other day it's it's called good strategy bad strategy I hadn't read it but I've heard about it
• 26:25
  yeah okay so I finished that book the other day and one of the points that was made by the author
• 26:30
  which I loved is this idea it's it's a confirmation bias conversation right that like what we believe
• 26:37
  we find evidence to support what we already believe around by great we we we find what we're
• 26:42
  looking for yeah um and if something supports my current opinion that I gway that fact heavier than
• 26:49
  than facts that I actually disagree with me um but one of the things that he discussed and this
• 26:55
  is something where I think AI is a huge tool that I put in my belt is he actually was discussing
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  another that when people come up with if I were to put a group of people in a room and say here's
• 27:06
  the problem with x business figure out what's going on and how do we solve the problem
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  um and it's almost what I would call a primacy effect and that is if someone comes up with a
• 27:17
  first idea yeah that's the one they defend because once your once your brain thinks it's solved
• 27:23
  a problem it stops looking for solutions oh wow because you think you think about it you like oh
• 27:30
  yeah that's probably that would work why keep trying to find it's kind of like oh my keys are always
• 27:34
  in the last place I look for them well yeah if you found them why would you keep looking
• 27:37
  of course they're in the last place right but but he actually talked about the phenomenon that we
• 27:43
  actually we love our first answer and then we go to the conference where we're going to go defend
• 27:48
  our answer and it's like and we and he's talking about collaboration is so important because we go
• 27:53
  into a room we think we've already solved the problem but we actually just got married to the first
• 27:59
  solution oh heavens and then we hear other people's ideas and we still prefer our own because we
• 28:05
  have a problem with objectivity and I was thinking about it because like when I use AI like whether
• 28:11
  it's me working with a marketing client or or or even writing for that matter it's like I'll be
• 28:17
  like man I'm stuck in this area like this is what I think it is but let me give you all the information
• 28:24
  here's what I want these are the people who I want to have opinions on what would this person
• 28:28
  think of this topic like how would Albert Einstein solve this problem and kind of throw stuff
• 28:33
  out there because what I'll see is and then give me five possible scenario outcomes wow and then I
• 28:41
  get all my scenario out and I'm like okay I didn't think about those like usually I'll say like four
• 28:45
  out of five I've already come up with but I'll even work on it with marketing plans like I'll write
• 28:49
  the marketing plan how I believe everything should happen and I got a pretty good beat on that
• 28:55
  stuff like how do I believe it should go to market what do I think and then I will literally ask
• 29:00
  AI here's my entire plan what did I miss wow what other things are available that I may not have
• 29:06
  thought of and and sometimes it comes up with stuff and I'm like nah nah nah and I'm like oh
• 29:11
  all right missed that one and as I relate that to the medical field yes like if you just saw
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  three patients in a row with the same diagnosis and you found out it was the same thing when the
• 29:24
  fourth person comes in the room do you not just go to what just worked for the last three yes or do
• 29:32
  you treat the fourth person as an objective and equals one case you can't this is true it's true
• 29:39
  like when you get you hit an nail in the head is because you get so used to patterns and that's why
• 29:43
  something is like pattern recognition I'm guilty I'm like well look at something I one of my mentors
• 29:50
  kind of got on to me a few years ago because I'd hear something you tell me or something I go oh
• 29:56
  such as such and he's like you're yelling you're pride getting the way you say that he say it's
• 30:02
  pride and as we tell it and I was like what do you mean he goes even though you see a pattern you
• 30:06
  you need to investigate it it's not like any equals one you got to investigate and that's what
• 30:11
  happens like not to veer off on the other side but that's what happened like Steven Gundry was
• 30:15
  saying he goes one of the things that that hurt us in long run was like antibiotics the point
• 30:20
  case is that they used to culture and investigate every infection like a boil or assist or an infection
• 30:25
  and they would find the actual antibody to kill it but now we use broad spectrum by our spectrum
• 30:28
  to kill it all off and I like investigation went down the drain that's a great point though I mean
• 30:32
  like finding that one little area that you know I did not think about that and that's what we
• 30:38
  should use AI4 and I use AI2 to enhance my objectivity I get married to my solution I love my
• 30:47
  solutions right it's right they're they're birthed from my own creativity and imagination and
• 30:51
  so I end up having this tendency to as we all do yeah this is what works and a lot of times like
• 30:56
  I will find myself even talking to a client and saying look this is what we did for this other
• 31:00
  person and it works tremendously we can do this exact same plan working with you like we know the
• 31:06
  blueprint you know and then I find myself going okay well that was three years ago yeah like
• 31:12
  maybe the markets change maybe I need to you know start working with my own you know solutions and
• 31:18
  questioning my own whatever's and that's when I get into the pattern of you know how do I use
• 31:24
  another tool it's like I say I have creative meetings with my computer you literally like so
• 31:29
  here's what I'm thinking these are my thoughts and I find myself often like I'll do it on the drive
• 31:35
  home and it was I've got my my GPT is actually on my phone and I'll just put it on in the car
• 31:41
  and I'll just talk to my GPT about stuff on the drive home I know I need a hobby but like
• 31:49
  literally I'll be like hey I'm trying to come up with this idea this is what's going on in my head
• 31:52
  because I can say it faster than I can type it yeah you know this is what's going on I'm trying
• 31:56
  to find out solutions for this this is the idea that I'm having I'm worried about this and this
• 32:01
  and particularly these are the hurdles that are holding me back but these are the things that I
• 32:05
  really are good at and I'm just throwing all of this out there and then I'll end with what are
• 32:10
  your thoughts yeah and and sometimes it will it'll do not sometimes it'll do nothing but take my
• 32:16
  thoughts and organize them in a way that I'm like okay like I just rambled but it's as if I had a
• 32:21
  secretary that was listening to everything I was saying and then putting it into some kind of
• 32:24
  presentation format other times I'm asking it questions like what am I not seeing like how
• 32:31
  how am I I'm blind to something in this because these are all the things I'm doing and it's not
• 32:36
  working what what's missing in this equation that's beautiful um and and like I said it's not using
• 32:43
  AI to do my job but it's enhancing my critical thinking skill yes and and like I said in in the
• 32:50
  world of medicine there's so much data out there take function right like Hyman has put together
• 32:56
  this tool now there's there's flaws to the tool it always falls to the tool because AI only knows
• 33:02
  what you've taught it so all the data is an example like it's mostly male data yeah so does that
• 33:09
  skew accurately for a female patient or do we have to have a little bit of sensitivity to the fact
• 33:13
  that the data is not always a hundred percent accurate like what what's going on there and it's like
• 33:17
  it'll get better in time but I think for for nothing else for me I look at it as really being
• 33:23
  that the objective partner in the conversation who doesn't have an emotional bias and can point out
• 33:29
  my blind spot that's like do you find that it would be even in healthcare that individuals would
• 33:34
  respond more positively to something that's more objectively but objectively not biased toward
• 33:39
  one way or the other like for instance if you said you had you put it instead of information
• 33:43
  it spits out four things and some people would be like if if you if you knew like a practitioner
• 33:47
  human body was like really biased you'd be like I don't know but if you if you got non biased
• 33:52
  information if it was truly non biased do you think people would take it better you know because
• 33:56
  it's like like I want both you know both okay this isn't both like I want I want you as my doctor
• 34:04
  to say look these are your presenting symptoms or maybe there's no symptom at all and you're
• 34:08
  just looking at a goal yeah right because that I don't believe that healthcare should be symptom
• 34:12
  relief I think healthcare should be optimization and balance and it's like so if I'm talking to you
• 34:17
  and saying look this is what's happened I want to figure out a way to optimize my sleep or maybe
• 34:21
  I'm coming to you and saying my left leg is three inches shorter than my right like what do I do
• 34:25
  like here's the symptom if I put all of that stuff in and you're like hmm I've seen this before
• 34:31
  but let me get back to you and you go back to your AI bot you've got so much content like you could
• 34:37
  train a bot in no time and it's like literally going into this this bot content and saying look
• 34:43
  my patient came in these are his goals this is this this is my experience with these symptoms
• 34:50
  and this is what I'm thinking hmm can you give me an objective look at these things and tell me
• 34:55
  what else could it be that's good because then it what it does is it tells you like okay number one
• 35:00
  is what you thought intuitively but here's two three and four that it could be and it may make you go
• 35:06
  two I don't agree with three I think you got bad data but I should probably test for four yeah
• 35:11
  like four's probably something I should test for before I before I plant my my flag on number one
• 35:17
  let me at least rule out number four that makes point cases makes thought at my head uh some people
• 35:25
  like they give up coffee for four years hold that promise has a point um it like I gotta give
• 35:30
  up coffee for so many years like the first avenue would be like I shouldn't drink it because um
• 35:35
  you know there's a big move and it's true about having mold on coffee and I believe that
• 35:40
  as mold that's why we have here at the conference they have a very mold-free coffee but if you
• 35:43
  had like a certain objective points you know yes you could have mold on your coffee but there could
• 35:49
  be possibly like a genetic the information that you can't process caffeine which if a person the
• 35:54
  doctor didn't look into that you would stop drinking coffee for the rest of your life he's like well
• 35:57
  every you know it's just mold and I'm like no you just have a gene that doesn't process caffeine
• 36:02
  that well so I see what you're saying you'd have to have every aspect and have some human input
• 36:07
  into it as well yeah I still want a doctor who thinks yeah but you could use it they could use it
• 36:12
  AI that can explore options like Steve Gundry at the HOS summit was using a similar example and he
• 36:18
  talked about a woman who had um they'd cut all gluten and everything else out of her diet
• 36:24
  and her symptoms at all went away and she was doing great and so on so forth and then a year or two
• 36:30
  later she started to slip back into some of the symptoms that she was having and they ended up
• 36:34
  finding out that you know when he went into more of the lifestyle type things she didn't touch anything
• 36:41
  however he discovered through conversation that her her son had moved back into her house
• 36:48
  and he was slicing bread on the kitchen counter and she was so sensitive that anything she put
• 36:55
  on the kitchen counter she was actually absorbing you know gluten in her system and it started to
• 37:00
  detox wow and it was like what an interesting thing but again I mean it's a doctor right you're
• 37:06
  you're you're you're a detective you are and there would be mind blowing and numbing not in a bad
• 37:13
  way but like to go through every scenario that you could and say like you as a human you're like I
• 37:18
  went through every scenario but if you could load as much information to AI and it could give you
• 37:22
  spit out information like all your sons cut and bread on the counter and you're like oh that would
• 37:27
  be a bit extreme I could be but I'm just saying but still like you're a detective exactly right
• 37:31
  and and if and if you literally are a detective and you've got a tool that can actually spit out
• 37:36
  every possible scenario you know and then you get to pick which ones seem to be the most rational
• 37:41
  or then you get to use huge human judgment and say all right I can test for that I can test for
• 37:46
  that that's unlikely so I'll put it on the back burner like literally can you use that kind of
• 37:51
  as a diagnostic tool and and play that out in private practice to get a more accurate
• 37:58
  diagnosis and treatment play I would say this with the amount of patients that are out there
• 38:02
  we've both seen as many people come to an office and as little doctors out there and then being
• 38:07
  fried in their brain and being tired a lot of them are they're like I just don't have enough
• 38:11
  capacity I think they would have to use AI because it literally at least give as new
• 38:15
  scenarios to the doctor to actually go over it with the patient because you see it as well as I do
• 38:19
  when patients come in and they're like sick and tired and they like you know after years they found
• 38:24
  out like it was a mold sensitivity and you go man it'd be great if like a dog could have like
• 38:28
  taken all the information positive and in there and go five years ago and just spit it out
• 38:32
  well because it feels like a guessing game particularly for a for the average person who's
• 38:35
  trying to figure out their own physiology and it's like you're at least a physician you've got a
• 38:39
  head start on this kind of stuff but it's like for an average person to figure out mold toxicity
• 38:44
  yeah but or or I mean gluten sensitivity I suppose gets some information nowadays but it's like
• 38:49
  there's just it's like a revolving door of how many stupid things could possibly go on and I
• 38:53
  think that the the resentment factor for doctors and for patients would greatly re-reduced if you
• 39:00
  had somebody to be a great assistant a great assistant and this is the key like you you know in
• 39:05
  practice and you know many doctors go through practice in their lives and they always say that
• 39:10
  they need to find that one good assistant they need to make that that'll stick with them that
• 39:14
  can read their mind and I need this person to be with me to write all the notes and then do
• 39:18
  some investigation but you're correct every great movie about a doctor always had the doctor
• 39:23
  who was the investigator who was always a defective somehow they see this doctor spinning all night
• 39:27
  you know and I mean I've read books waiting to the night to find out something for one person
• 39:32
  but you get tired as a practitioner and you you know now the tools can be used to help you with
• 39:38
  that investigation well and you've got so many people to be thinking of at the same time right
• 39:42
  plus your own life tell you usually don't have a lot like I want to see the tools in place where
• 39:49
  and this is so so my bent is that I would love love to make that the topic of next year's conference
• 39:56
  like so I'm trying to sell them on it like how do we incorporate this like let's not fight against it
• 40:01
  yep it's it's here it's here but it's not going away right it's like trying to ignore cell phones
• 40:06
  like well no everyone has them like they're not going anywhere not like this is life how do we how
• 40:11
  do we start to adapt this into treatment and how do we rather than again fight against the
• 40:16
  machine like how do we just learn to adapt to this and use it better and actually become better
• 40:22
  practitioners truly at using it but that that would be mine that would be if you got I think
• 40:28
  I'm asking like if you had that avenue where you had AI that could help a doctor go through the
• 40:32
  steps could AI help but I would say that the human touch would be then a doctor could analyze
• 40:38
  somebody and say well this is like the the psychological the emotional aspect you're going to go
• 40:42
  through through these scenarios maybe that's what the doctor is going to guide them through there
• 40:46
  like the human touch or maybe AI could do it too I mean like I know like what I mean like literally
• 40:52
  for persons going through this and they say well you have a hormonal issue you've got endometriosis
• 40:56
  this is their things and you got this and this is a possibility of an infection you start clearing
• 41:00
  this out but I'm like this maybe could AI could spit out something say this is the emotional
• 41:05
  aspects gonna happen and then you could be as a doctor going okay you need to go get this kind
• 41:08
  of therapy or counseling or something like there's a lot of scenarios that need to be addressed but
• 41:12
  that would be a really good so it's happening it's here the world has already changed three three
• 41:17
  months from now different world because I had one individual who put us like from one of the AI
• 41:25
  apps I had like for like one of my Instagram feeds about something about kidneys or something and
• 41:29
  they put it into an AI he just thought it'd be great you know to do it and it spit out information
• 41:33
  about like what kind of people will be affected by this kidney disease and then he goes oh man
• 41:38
  it's gotten smarter I was like what he goes well I put the same thing in the AI three months later
• 41:43
  and it had five times the amount of information that could happen I was like it learned I was like
• 41:50
  and it's forever learning and I think we need to perhaps mission impossible but we absolutely need
• 41:59
  I think for every industry there's an adaptation that needs to take place yeah I think the medical
• 42:04
  industry is not any different from that and we're just seeing so much revolutionary and I'm curious
• 42:09
  though how did we get from where we were to where we ended on AI and like the conversations with
• 42:16
  you just kind of roll all over they'll seem like they're like they're like what are they even talking
• 42:20
  about right now like him and I was like why do I even do all these show notes for you and then
• 42:24
  you don't even pay attention to them the uh but but I love this stuff Chris and I love talking to
• 42:28
  you because you're like the frequent flyer on our podcast now like but there's so much good
• 42:33
  information that comes up from it uh and I absolutely love having you on here oh brother it's
• 42:39
  just so fun I just like our conversation if I don't get to catch because he's always on the go
• 42:43
  and I'm like at least we get to and now just to hang out and talk for an hour I know I mean
• 42:46
  hey it's gonna be good I don't mind like to me just catch up say hey give you that's all good
• 42:50
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• 42:54
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• 43:04
  ancient I almost said ancient medicine medicine so I stopped that's a great one ancient medicine
• 43:07
  of you really good it's good well we'll get into that conversation some other time because I'm
• 43:11
  convinced that ancient medicine is actually ancient wisdom is coming back into the medical field right
• 43:15
  now when we talk about frequencies and all this other kind of stuff yes and things that they
• 43:19
  knew back then now actually are making sense that's right in the world is now maybe ready for it so
• 43:25
  that being said check out Chris Motley follow his podcast and learn more about all the cool stuff he's
• 43:30
  doing and I know your backlogs you got guests all over the place all there we get you like we're
• 43:34
  gonna have you get back on like there's a they told me that we worked hard to get like so many like
• 43:39
  in the the doc and you know like and it's like and they say well you we can't do any more because
• 43:43
  we feel like we're like five or six months ahead now or back up and I'm like I didn't know that
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  I just shot videos and that's all yeah but we just like really shorts and stuff like that and
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  keeps it interesting that's right guys we'll see you next time