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S4 E16 Masterminds & Mayhem - The thrilling world of armed robberies · True Crime and Wine Time

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  Speaker 1: Hi, everybody.
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  Speaker 2: I like your shirt.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Oh thank you. Yes, the body can't really
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  Speaker 1: see the bottom, but it says, what up, party people.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, here we go. I'm gonna pop because I'm having
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  Speaker 2: some move rose and then I'm drinking a row.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, all right, so this is not as fancy as yours,
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  Speaker 1: but neither am I. I'm not as fancy as you.
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  Speaker 1: See this is. They need clever things on here. It
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  Speaker 1: just says enjoy safely. Please read warning below. But there's
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  Speaker 1: no warning below. So this is This is barefoot, bubbly
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  Speaker 1: rawberry fruit scato. Oh, this is gonna be interesting. Oh
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if I'm as fancy this as you are.
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  Speaker 1: We're gonna see what this is gonna go everywhere? Watch this.
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  Speaker 2: This is gonna oh see I didn't let it go everywhere.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I'm gonna try not to let it. Well hmm,
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  Speaker 1: he's gonna shoot us flowed.
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  Speaker 2: What he's gonna shoot it? He's gonna shoot it. He
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  Speaker 2: shot it.
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  Speaker 1: That was incredibly loud. I'm just glad I didn't pop everywhere? Where?
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  Speaker 1: Did it go? Did it go behind my back? I
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  Speaker 1: don't know.
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  Speaker 2: See I didn't do that because last time I did
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  Speaker 2: that when we were recording. It hit the fan and
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  Speaker 2: then spawn and hit the wall, and it was a
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  Speaker 2: big old mess it.
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  Speaker 1: It jumped, it bounced up, It hit my diagonal wall,
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  Speaker 1: my angled wall and the acoustic tiles, and then bounced
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  Speaker 1: over here and down behind my back.
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  Speaker 2: That takes talent. Cheers.
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  Speaker 1: I have a feeling this was supposed to be cold.
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  Speaker 2: Uh, it said bubbly right, bubbly supposed to be called JT.
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  Speaker 1: Come on, I didn't say I was good at this.
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  Speaker 1: Are you're laughing at me? You're laughing and that everybody's
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  Speaker 1: laughing at me. That's fine. Oh. Yes, for those of
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  Speaker 1: you who missed the some of the other shows, Terry's
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  Speaker 1: got a show coming out in May Mondays and Wednesdays
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  Speaker 1: at twelve Central midday, Missing and Terry is going to
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  Speaker 1: highlight missing person cases in order to get the word out,
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  Speaker 1: to shed some light. You said, it's like a combination
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  Speaker 1: of like known cases but mostly unknown. That. Yes, that
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  Speaker 1: is correct, because not everybody is white and blonde exactly. Oh,
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  Speaker 1: should we hop into some news.
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  Speaker 2: We should.
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  Speaker 1: All right do that. Let's do that right. It's you know,
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  Speaker 1: it's a little it's a little false advertising because some
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  Speaker 1: of the news that we cover is not gonna be
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  Speaker 1: still breaking, but maybe it'll be breaking to you. So
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  Speaker 1: it's all relative, right, Well it is. There's a woman
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  Speaker 1: from you know, it doesn't matter where she's from. She
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  Speaker 1: called nine one, which normally people do, and I would
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  Speaker 1: not call people out for this. However, an alleged Matthews
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  Speaker 1: or landed herself behind bars when she called Indiana police
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  Speaker 1: to rat out her drug dealer, telling cops that the
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  Speaker 1: batch was quote not quote, it was supposed to be.
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  Speaker 1: Her name, Sarah Harris. She's thirty four, and she dialed
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  Speaker 1: nine one one twice in January to complain that she
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  Speaker 1: was supplied with a bad baggie of meth. She then
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  Speaker 1: allegedly handed the drugs over to the cops at her
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  Speaker 1: home in the city of Bedford and hopes that they
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  Speaker 1: could test the drugs authenticity. Ugh, it left her feeling
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  Speaker 1: as though she was having a heart attack, She told
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  Speaker 1: the police, maybe you shouldn't do math. Harris allegedly admitted
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  Speaker 1: to snorting a line with the substance and then felt
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  Speaker 1: something different when it touched her skin and nostrils. She
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  Speaker 1: knew it was right, she said. She compared the painful
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  Speaker 1: sensation to the quote bowl of normal myth. She smoked
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  Speaker 1: with a friend previously a man. She was slack with
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  Speaker 1: the meth possession scharge, which carries a maximum thirty month
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  Speaker 1: prison sentence. It's not the first run and she's had
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  Speaker 1: with cops. She has prior convictions for theft, meth possession one.
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  Speaker 1: They kind of go hand in hand, criminal mischief, disorderly conduct,
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  Speaker 1: resisting and operating a middle vehicle while intoxicated. What a win.
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  Speaker 1: What a win. So there's your Indiana.
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  Speaker 2: Even Jasper is smart enough to not do that.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, Jasper is smarter than a fifth grader. You know
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  Speaker 1: that whole You know, Twitter being a social media conglomerate.
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  Speaker 1: That's now X that I refused to call X. So
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  Speaker 1: it's Twitter. They're doing so well. They're doing so well
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  Speaker 1: that they've decided that they're auctioning off office items from
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  Speaker 1: its headquarters. Oh this is old. I told you it's
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  Speaker 1: not breaking. This was in twenty twenty two. For twenty
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  Speaker 1: twenty three. Yeah, they auctioned off some of their surplus
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  Speaker 1: items at San France, California headquarters, including statues, kitchen items, furniture,
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  Speaker 1: and more like an at sign with plants in it
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  Speaker 1: and apparently they were just getting ready to lose a
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  Speaker 1: ton of Oh yeah, this is exactly why they did it.
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  Speaker 1: Let's see, after the weeks of chaos since Elon Musk's
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  Speaker 1: forty four billion dollar takeover. Just last week was the
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  Speaker 1: report of the company started converting some of its empty
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  Speaker 1: headquarters offices into bedrooms for employees. Quote it's pretty obvious
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  Speaker 1: that they're sleeping at the office. They're certainly an expectation
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  Speaker 1: given that beds, full, queen size beds, mattresses, the whole
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  Speaker 1: thing were brought into Twitter HQ over the weekend and
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  Speaker 1: employees were not informed this was happening. This is not
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  Speaker 1: the first time that Elon has actually used the building
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  Speaker 1: for what it's not intended to be. So this hardcore
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  Speaker 1: culture laid out by Musk will likely lead to more
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  Speaker 1: people leaving Twitter. You were right, sir, About two thirds
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  Speaker 1: of the company staff had been fired or resign so far,
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  Speaker 1: and it just got in worse, just got in worse.
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  Speaker 2: So well, considering what Tesla did this week, laid off
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  Speaker 2: fourteen thousand people people in Texas. They sent them an
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  Speaker 2: email to the work email at like three o'clock in
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  Speaker 2: the morning Menday morning, so if you didn't check your
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  Speaker 2: email before you went to the office, you didn't know
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  Speaker 2: that you didn't have a job. You got told when
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  Speaker 2: you showed up to try to go in. Now you
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  Speaker 2: know that is just horrible. And some of these people
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  Speaker 2: had relocated from California.
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  Speaker 1: This is the dude who has billions of billions of
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  Speaker 1: dollars and he's laying people off.
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  Speaker 2: He's gonna get in some trouble because he apparently there's
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  Speaker 2: rumors he did not do the official warn notice, which
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  Speaker 2: is required in Texas, and that he got some tax
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  Speaker 2: abatement credits for hiring a certain number of people and
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  Speaker 2: employing them. You can't lay them off like that.
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  Speaker 1: He got the he got the credit and then he
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  Speaker 1: laid them off.
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  Speaker 2: What I mean, I'm just gonna say he's nobody. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: everybody needs jobs. You need money, but find a company
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  Speaker 2: that respects and values you. Companies have to make hard
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  Speaker 2: decisions and you have to lay people off. It happens.
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  Speaker 2: I have had to do it. You don't do it
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  Speaker 2: that way.
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  Speaker 1: At all. No, no, not at all, do it to
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  Speaker 1: their face or find something.
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  Speaker 2: You don't just lock them out of the building. And
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  Speaker 2: then the call he made when people were upset. Seventy
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  Speaker 2: made the comment. Spokesperson for them says, well, our employees
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  Speaker 2: have been told they should check their emails first thing
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  Speaker 2: every morning. Excuse the hell out of me. You oh
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  Speaker 2: not be able to tell me what to do when
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  Speaker 2: I'm off the clock.
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  Speaker 1: He expects them to work twenty four to seven. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: he's just another reason why he's a butt cheek. On
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  Speaker 1: a funnier note, h, there was a man who attempted
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  Speaker 1: to rob a store. This is courtesy of I think
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  Speaker 1: it's a LAMA. I think this is from LAMA. She
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  Speaker 1: can correct me if I'm wrong. But there was a
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  Speaker 1: man who attempted to rob a store. But he did
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  Speaker 1: so well, let me just let me just read it. Stee.
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  Speaker 1: This is a Memphis man's in jail after allegedly attempting
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  Speaker 1: to rob a store three times, including the use of
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  Speaker 1: a snake. Reginald Cook, twenty six, is charged with two
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  Speaker 1: counts of attempted aggravated robbery. Please say, around two am,
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  Speaker 1: he attempted to rob the Shell Convenience store and implied
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  Speaker 1: that he had a weapon. According to the affidavit, Cook
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  Speaker 1: entered the store again and demanded money from the register.
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  Speaker 1: The victim said that Cook kept reaching into his clothing,
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  Speaker 1: implying that he had a gun. The Cook left the
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  Speaker 1: store after the victim refused. At approximately three h five am,
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  Speaker 1: Cook entered the store for the third time, but with
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  Speaker 1: a five foot snake wrapped around his neck like Alice Cooper,
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  Speaker 1: what are you doing, dude? Ummy? So the first time
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  Speaker 1: didn't work, and the second time didn't work. The third
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  Speaker 1: time he walked up to the counter and said, give
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  Speaker 1: me the damn money.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, he decided it wasn't working, right, I mean, I
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  Speaker 2: have to say, you walk in with the snake or
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  Speaker 2: a spider, I'm going to give you whatever you want.
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  Speaker 1: The affidavit states the victim saw Cook reaching inside his backpack,
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  Speaker 1: implying his arm to the weapon. The victim pulled his
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  Speaker 1: gun in self defense. Police say no money was taking,
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  Speaker 1: no injuries were sustained. That was luck. Minutes later, proficers
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  Speaker 1: arrived and took him into custody. Champ What a champ?
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  Speaker 2: Was a snake? Injured?
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  Speaker 1: No? No darn well, other than the fact that he
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  Speaker 1: had it. Let's see, Okay, I got two more. This
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  Speaker 1: one's quick, there's more science y, but oh this is
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  Speaker 1: old too. What was I doing when I was looking
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  Speaker 1: these up. It doesn't matter. The world's deepest fish was
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  Speaker 1: caught on cameras for the first time by scientists over
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  Speaker 1: twenty seven thousand feet below the surface. She's insane.
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  Speaker 2: Is he white because he doesn't get sun?
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  Speaker 1: But it is what it is. Okay, here's the last thing.
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  Speaker 1: I think some of our folks this is old too.
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  Speaker 1: You know what, I don't care. I don't care anyways.
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  Speaker 1: Back in twenty twenty two, because that's where my brain's
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  Speaker 1: at these days, they found a skeleton of a woman
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  Speaker 1: in Poland who suspected of being a vampire in the
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  Speaker 1: seventeenth century. You know what, I really didn't look at this.
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  Speaker 1: Do we have any panda news?
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  Speaker 1: Wow. Not that exciting if you live out there. Maybe perhaps, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: but if not.
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  Speaker 1: On that and you won't have to worry about it. Okay.
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  Speaker 1: So that's the end of the not really breaking away.
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  Speaker 1: It's kind of the start of our cases. Do you
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  Speaker 1: want to go first or do you want to go second?
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  Speaker 2: I can go first since I fed him. Oh my well,
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  Speaker 2: I can tell you this. My case is not about
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  Speaker 2: any cute animals. I will say. The bank robber in
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  Speaker 2: this movie or in this movie, Oh my god, my
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  Speaker 2: brain in this case wanted to be like Body aka
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  Speaker 2: Patrick Swayze and Point Break literally watched the Point Break
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  Speaker 2: movie to get this idea. I personally found that funny
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  Speaker 2: because I happened to love Point Break.
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  Speaker 1: All right, bring it on.
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  Speaker 2: The almost great this robbery is kind of ingenious in
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  Speaker 2: a way, But yet they were stupid because they got caught.
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  Speaker 2: So on September twenty first, nineteen one, in San Antonio, Texas,
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  Speaker 2: tellers Lisa Silvis, aged nineteen, and Kelly McGinnis, age twenty one,
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  Speaker 2: not the Kelly from Maverick or Top Gun, but they
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  Speaker 2: were trusting employees of the Texas Commerce Bank and they
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  Speaker 2: were the only two working the bank on that Saturday
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  Speaker 2: from nine to one. Guys, this is a nineteen year
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  Speaker 2: old and a twenty one year old. They were in
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  Speaker 2: charge of the whole bank. I don't know, but I've
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  Speaker 2: never been trusted.
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  Speaker 1: That burts.
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  Speaker 2: I found that very interesting. The two showed up for
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  Speaker 2: work as usual. Kelly unlocked the first door and then
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  Speaker 2: she walked in and Lisa was behind her. They were
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  Speaker 2: walking down the hall towards that next door that you
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  Speaker 2: have to go through to turn the alarm off, and
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  Speaker 2: Lisa turned to say something, or Kelly turned to say
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  Speaker 2: something to Lisa, and Lisa was not alone. There was
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  Speaker 2: a guy standing behind her wearing a rubber Halloween mask,
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  Speaker 2: wearing overalls and was holding a pistol and had on gloves,
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  Speaker 2: and he ordered her to turn off the alarm or
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  Speaker 2: he would kill them. So the robber aimed his gun
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  Speaker 2: at Kelly's head, and with both of the tellers shaking
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  Speaker 2: and crying, they went to the alarm and they opened
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  Speaker 2: the door, and Kelly was shaking so bad that she
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  Speaker 2: could not do it. Lisa knew that if they didn't
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  Speaker 2: do it soon, an alarm was going to go off.
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  Speaker 1: I hope.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if y'all can hear all those dogs?
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  Speaker 2: Can you hear that? No, it's my five dogs that
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  Speaker 2: now they're howling. I apologize. Kelly was too shaken up
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  Speaker 2: to turn the alarm off, so Lisa took the keys
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  Speaker 2: and she turned the alarm off because she was worried
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  Speaker 2: this guy in this mask was going to kill them.
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  Speaker 2: They said it was a Halloween mask, didn't say if
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  Speaker 2: it was a President's mask. I kind of hope it
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  Speaker 2: was since they said he watched Point Break.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that checks out. I think. So there's
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  Speaker 1: a piecing that was hoping it was a will Shattner mask,
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  Speaker 1: But then that's where they got Michael Myers mask from,
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  Speaker 1: so it's not that. Did you know that? Did you
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  Speaker 1: know Mike Myers mask was originally a William Shatner mask.
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  Speaker 2: William Shatner mask. Guess after the alarm was turned off,
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  Speaker 2: the robbers secured Kelly's hands with zip ties, and then
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  Speaker 2: with his gun, he had Lisa take him to the vault.
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  Speaker 2: Inside the vault was multiple safes. Now he told them
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  Speaker 2: that he had a police scanner in his pocket and
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  Speaker 2: if he heard anything about a silent alarm being tripped,
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  Speaker 2: he was going to kill them both immediately. The safs
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  Speaker 2: inside the vault had a double luck setup, so Lisa
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  Speaker 2: used the key to unlock the first log. Kelly, whose
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  Speaker 2: hands were tied, called out the combination to her and
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  Speaker 2: the mask man and unlocked the second log. And then
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  Speaker 2: Lisa was given a large trash bag and told to
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  Speaker 2: fill it with all of the cash. And then the
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  Speaker 2: robber took them over to their cash strawers and told
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  Speaker 2: them to empty their drawers into the bag as well.
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  Speaker 2: After he emptied the vault and the cash strawers, he
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  Speaker 2: ordered both of them to stay in the vault and
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  Speaker 2: he left. He literally got out of there in less
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  Speaker 2: than five minutes, and he escaped with almost two hundred
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  Speaker 2: thousand dollars.
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  Speaker 1: Did he lock them in the vault or did he
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  Speaker 1: just have them sit here?
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  Speaker 2: He did not, but he told them if they came out,
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  Speaker 2: he would shoot them. So they waited a couple of
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  Speaker 2: minutes to make sure that he left, and then one
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  Speaker 2: of them hit the alarm. Kelly hit the alarm and
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  Speaker 2: then was calling their supervisor after hitting the alarm, while
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  Speaker 2: Lisa called nine one one cause they were shook up.
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  Speaker 2: I mean nineteen and twenty one and this is like
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  Speaker 2: nine o'clock in the morning on a Saturday. And guys,
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  Speaker 2: it was a motor bank branch, so him coming in
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  Speaker 2: behind them, that was the only way to get into
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  Speaker 2: that bank building was to come in through that door.
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  Speaker 2: After the cops got there, the cops let them call
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  Speaker 2: their boyfriends. Kelly was able to reach her boyfriend. Lisa
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  Speaker 2: unfortunately could not reach her fiance, Jack, who was a
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  Speaker 2: second year police officer with the San Antonio Police and
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  Speaker 2: had worked the night shift the night before. He turns
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  Speaker 2: his phone off and he goes home and goes to bed.
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  Speaker 2: I mean makes I get it. She tried to page him,
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  Speaker 2: but he didn't answer his pager, but he did call
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  Speaker 2: back sometime later to the branch and heard what happened,
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  Speaker 2: and being a police officer, he didn't immediately go to
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  Speaker 2: the crime scene because he was like they don't need
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  Speaker 2: another cop who's off duty getting in the way. But
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  Speaker 2: he did eventually show up. Kelly's boyfriend, who had dropped
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  Speaker 2: her off, immediately turned around and went right back to
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  Speaker 2: the bank. He was like, I don't care, I'm gonna
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  Speaker 2: go be with my girl now. When Jack got there,
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  Speaker 2: he did identify himself to the agents and officers outside
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  Speaker 2: that he was an off duty San Antonio police officer.
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  Speaker 2: He also had been in the Marines, so he was
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  Speaker 2: like a really good guy, been in the Marines police officer.
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: This is what was interesting to me. The bank executives
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: and bank managers, they were happy to see Jack because
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: he was such a good guy who's highly decorated Marine
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: and a respected San Antonio officer. While they're on the scene,
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: one of the executives said, Hey, when you're off shift,
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: would you come to security for us because all of
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: our employees are going to be scared shitless after this,
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: and he said, yep, I can start next week, which
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: I was like, you know, that's cool, because here's something
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: that's interesting. This bank did not have security cameras nowhere
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: because it was a motor bank. They didn't have people
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: coming in and out except for the employees, so they
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: didn't think they needed them, and I'm like.
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: So that, I mean, like, I get that, but at
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: the same time, you really need to be looking out
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: for the safety of your employees. You have a ton
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: of money in one central location if you want to
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: even look like you care about your employees.
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: I don't know, because they could have driven up in
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: a car and pointed again at me, and I would
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: have shoved all the money in the drawer and given
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: in to them, because money is not worth it. My
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: life is a little bit more important. They got away.
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: He got away with almost two hundred and fifty thousand dollars.
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: Here's the other crazy thing. The bank didn't use die packs,
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: so there was no die packs for the teller to
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: throw in with the money as she put it inside
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: the trash backs.
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: They didn't choose not to because they were so scared they.
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: They didn't have any on site.
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: That's insane.
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: I mean, two hundred and fifty thousand dollars. As everybody knows,
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: when you have a bankroppt, FBI gets involved immediately, right
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: So Federal investigator showed up as as officers. They were
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: stumped as to how the bankrupper knew exactly when the
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: tellers would arrive. Okay, guys, first thing, if the bank
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: opens from nine to one, couldn't you just park outside
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: and know they're going to arrive between eight thirty.
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: Like watching it for like two times to figure that out.
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: They also said that they found it interesting that the
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: bankropper knew the layout of the bank by knowing that
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: there was two doors. I don't know if I buy that,
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: because you know that there's going to be a second door,
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: there's not just one door.
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: It's not Pan's labyrinth, Like, it's not that hard to
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: figure out.
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they said that he also knew which safe held
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: dollar bills and not coins. But in one article I read,
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: it said that one of the tellers said which safe
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: had the cash in it instead of So I don't
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: know if that says anything easier either, but hey, but
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: Kelly and Lisa were both former high school cheerleaders. They
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: were both cute, bubbly, adorable, and they were love by
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: the customers and the management of the bank. In fact,
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: one article talked about some of the old men would
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: come on the days that the young girls worked because
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: they wanted to see the pretty ladies when they made
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: their deposits.
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: That's that's how my grandfather Jose's news shows.
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: I was like, all part of me was like, oh,
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: that's cute, and then the other part of me was like, Okay,
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: that's just rude.
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: But at first I was like, oh, all of me
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: was like yeah.
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: I was like, okay, a little creepy. Lisa and Kelly
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: were both hysterical when talking to the police after the robbery.
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: I totally could see that I would have they would
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: have had to give me a steve. Somebody holds a
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: gun to my head, They're gonna need to give me
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: a sedative. Something that police thought was weird was that
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: when they asked each of the girls, you know, to
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: try to give a description height, weight and stuff like that. Well,
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: Jack was standing next Tolisa, and she looked at his
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: head and she goes, oh, about that high, she goes,
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: and probably about the same size, and she was hysterical.
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: But then she kind of giggled and she said, oh
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: my god, Jack, he's the same size just like you.
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: And the police thought that was odd. But I, guys,
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: I often describe people by people I know. I'll be like, oh,
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: he's about the same height and size as double h
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: or hey. She reminds me of Heather Locklear about the
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: same size blonde hair. I didn't find that weird, so
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: I don't know if anybody else does, because I think
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: it's pretty common. But I'm sure as a police officer,
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: he was going, uh, thank you, I guess.
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: Now.
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: Immediately after the robbery, the officers in FBI agent search
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: the surrounding area, looking in trash cans behind bushes. They
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: wanted to see if he had thrown that mask out
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: or if they had tossed the money to come back
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: later and get it. They found nothing at all. Now, police,
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: did you know? Initially they were like, you know, we
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: think this might have been an inside job. Only somebody
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: who worked here knew somebody inside could have done this.
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: So they became a little suspicious of the tellers. But
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: they talked to them because, I mean, they were hysterical.
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: They were both crying, they were both upset. Now, Lisa Sylvis,
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: who was nineteen at the time, she had met police
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: officer Jack Neely in September of ninety when he responded
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: to a domestic disturbance call between her and her boyfriend
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: at the time. It is said that Jack became smitten
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: with her during this call. Over the next several weeks,
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: he wooed her, took her gifts, left her messages, helped
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: her get away from the boyfriend from the domestic violence call.
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: And I mean she was nineteen, she had stars in
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: her eyes. She was only making Twitter and fifty dollars
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: a week and that just wouldn't pay for a lifestyle. Now,
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: Jack was twenty eight and she was nineteen, so a
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: little bit of an age different. Lisa liked to go
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: shopping and pamper herself, and she dreamed of something better.
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: And she was impressed by the older Jack. He was
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: good looking, he was a decorated marine ex marine, and
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: he was an up and coming, you know, police officer.
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: By December that same year, they moved in together. It
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: was love at first site. I guess I thought that
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: there was like some rule for police officers that you
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: can't use crime scenes as a pickup site. But apparently
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: not right.
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: I mean, you know, it's like why not question people
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: and also do speed dating? What did he look? I
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: guess what time did he come in? What's your sign?
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: What's your favorite food?
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: It all is won the same.
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Jack had gotten divorced and had a child. Okay,
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: so he has a friend that police talk to and
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: that a reporter talked to. Did say, you know, Jack
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: had been very sad down on the dumps. So when
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: he met Lisa, she was young, beautiful. I mean, she
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: made him feel invigorated again, you know, made him feel like, oh,
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: somebody young and hot wants me kind of thing energy
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: for both of them, I guess, I guess. Now. While
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: talking to Lisa and Jack, they found that he would
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: call the banks several times a day while she worked,
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: and he would drive by the bank to make sure
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: she was at work, and while he was on patrol. Guys,
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: this just gave me the ick. He would pull over
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: her ex boyfriend for any traffic violation he could find,
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: and daring the traffic stop would tell him to stay
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: away from Lisa, and I say he was a little certain,
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: yeah right now. He loved Lisa and Lisa like nice things.
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: Problem was, he had gotten divorced. He had to pay
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: his ex wife alimony and child support, which did not
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: leave him a lot of extra cash to spoil Lisa. Guys,
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: this made the investigators go bing bing bing. Let's look
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: into Jack and Lisa a little deeper now. Lisa and
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: Jack had gotten engaged about four months before the robbery.
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: But interesting enough, instead of the wedding they were planning,
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: they decided to get married at the courthouse nine days
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: before the robbery, and Jack told the investigator that they
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: decided to go ahead and get married instead of waiting
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: so that Lisa could have his benefits. Right, But investigators,
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: investigators thought that maybe it was because he wanted spousal immunity,
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: you know. But they're just they're just looking for things, right,
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: because they've got no evidence that they had anything to
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: do with this. But I mean, so they were suspicious.
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: I mean I could see that too. Kelly and her
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: boyfriend had been together. They you know, didn't have any
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: finance problems, lived within their means, so they weren't as
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: suspicious of them. Several weeks after the bank robbery, Jack
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: and Lisa, remember they had just gotten married nine days before,
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: they decided to go ahead, get away and take a honeymoon.
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: They told friends they were going to go to Florida, Guys.
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: It was later discovered they actually went to the Grand
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: Cayman Islands.
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: Of course, it did.
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: I think we all know why people go there because
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: they have banking laws and they do not give out
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: the names of who owns bank accounts, right, But they
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: had no proof they ever went to a bank. They
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: have no proof that they did that. I don't know
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: why they lied to people who knows. But the police
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: could not prove that the couple actually went there to
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: hide money, and they didn't have any evidence that they
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: were involved whatsoever. Okay, so they had to keep looking
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: at suspects and try to figure out who did this
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: because they had no clue, no hints. Well, they went
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: to go and talk to Jack's mom and stepdad and
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: nothing came to light. During the visit. They were like, okay,
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: this I mean Jack was at home and sleep he
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: They confirmed he had worked the night before. There was nothing. However,
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: just days after the investigators had visited the parents, the
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: stepdad was out walking around on their farm and he
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: saw an area that had been dug up and something buried. So,
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: being that person who's like, what the heck's going on,
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: he got a shovel and started digging.
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: Was it trash bag of money sized?
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: It was not? Oh no, it was a blue canvas
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: bag full of money. So they had put it in
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: a canvas. So, knowing that the police had just been
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: there and that Jack was either engaged or married to
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: one of the tellers, he called police to report it. Well,
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: guess what, folks, The Texas Commerce Bank did not use
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: diet PAGs, but they did use what is called bait money.
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: I found this so interesting. Bait money is bills with
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: serial numbers that have been recorded and put into a
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: system and used to track stolen money. Now, the branch
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: had ten of these bait moneies in each of the
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: teller's drawers in twenty in the vault. Well, when police
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: checked the serial numbers, guess what they were inside the
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: blue bag of money that Bill had found on this property.
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: The other interesting thing, the bait bills were separated from
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: all the other money and were rolled up with a
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: rubber band and a note that said Mexico Money in
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: Lisa's handwriting, and the police speculated they were labeled for
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: Mexico because using them in Mexico, they don't check serial
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: numbers of American one hundred dollars bills like we do
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: in America. So also at the bottom of that blue
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: canvas bag was a souvenir keychain that Lisa had had
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: picked up just a little bit before at her high
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: school reunion. They did a one year reunion and she
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: kept year one year.
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: One year reunion.
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: They wanted to get back together, so in October of
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: nineteen ninety one, Jack and Lisa were arrested. All but
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: ninety five thousand dollars were recovered. They didn't go to
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: the Cayman Islands to put that money, because why would
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: you only do ninety five thousand?
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: So they pled not guilty, but they were both held
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: without bond. They were both convicted. Lisa was sentenced to
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: thirteen years and Jack was sentenced to fifteen years. I
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: didn't think that was very long. I didn't. I was
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: unable to find where Lisa is today, and I will
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: tell y'all, I went down some rabbit holes. I could
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: not find her, but I was able to find Jack
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: and where Jack is and what Jack's been doing. Jack
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: did not learn his lesson.
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: Uh yep.
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: In twenty twelve, Jack was arrested for being a felon
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: in possession of a gun and impersonating a government agent.
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: You know, leave it up to a name like Jack
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: or Joe or Ethan. They never learned their lesson. These
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: guys now don't learned their lesson.
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he was twenty eight and when he went to prison,
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: he served all of his time, got out, did this
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: stupid thing. All of the articles say he was acting
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: as a big shot, so he was taking people around.
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: He was arrested outside of a big old country club,
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: you know, dance place, was basically acting like he was
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: some important government guy. It was carrying a gun. Okay.
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: He was sentenced to forty one months in federal prison
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: and then had to be on three years federal supervision
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: after his release. He is not deceased, but he's either
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: staying out of trouble or he hasn't gotten caught again,
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: because I could not find any updates. He is not
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: in prison anymore, so he's been released, but there is
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: nothing about him since I'm guessing he hasn't been.
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: Caught nah moving.
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: He and Lisa are not together. Not together. She did
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: give an interview later saying that Jack did it. She
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: didn't know it was him at the time because he
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: had a mask on, but it was her handwriting. They
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: did an analysis. It was her handwriting that wrote Mexico Money.
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: So whether she knew at the time, the other thing
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: he put police issued zip ties on Kelly, put the
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: gun to her head, never put it to Lisa's head.
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: Lisa was never restrained. And Lisa's the one who walked
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: him around to everything. So I don't know what kool
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: aid she's drinking, but nobody bought it. So that is
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: my case about the almost greatest bank robbery.
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: Well, you know, I love the fact. I love the
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: fact that both of our cases didn't involve people dying.
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: I know, because that is so rare for us. Yes,
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: for us, nothing dark.
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: All right. So not only did both of ours not
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: include death, but they're both in the nineties. What a
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: decade for robberies. Huh?
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: What is it I'm an eighties baby driving a nineties Mercedes?
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: Or is it I'm a nineties baby driving an eighties Mercedes.
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: There's a song that way that makes more sense. Okay,
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: I think it'd be weird if you were an eighties
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: baby driving a nineties car. Well, no, not if it's
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: like that, I don't know if.
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: It's because you're a nineties baby, right.
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: Uh. No, I'm a late eighties, eighty.
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: Seven late I am going to If anybody knows what
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: song that is, I only know it because I know
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: my my son was born in the nineties. In his
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: first car was a Mercedes that he bought on his own.
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: I did not purchase it for him, but it was
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: like an old eighties Mercedes. But I did not buy.
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: My first car was a nineteen ninety eight Toyota Camry hmm.
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: I had a Toyota Silica MM with little louvers.
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: I don't know on the window. I wrote this first
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: sentence and I didn't think about what it was, what
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: it implied. But I'm gonna say it any anyways, because
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: I've already committed to it. We all like easy things.
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: Some of them are expensive, some of them are thirty
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: five cents. We've kind of been conditioned to enjoy the easy.
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: And you know, I don't really know why I'm starting
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: the case like this, because the robbery is a hell
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: of a thing to set up, harry out, and get
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: away with. And while the payday's immense, the question is
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: is it worth it? Once you have all that money,
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: what do you do with it? Q Brewster's millions, Right,
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: It's like I have to get rid of it. I've
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: got to use it. You can't attract attention. We're going
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: back to nineteen ninety seven. I think that's twenty seven years.
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't math. We know this. I
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: don't math. I don't gas math, I don't timeline math.
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: I I don't math. I guess twenty seven. I did
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: it in my head. If it's wrong, oh well, I
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: don't like the fact that it was twenty seven years ago.
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: I can say that much right now. But it Let's
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: add context to the case, because sometimes, like when I
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: get like not sure order cases, but more like to
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: the point cases, I like that a little bit of
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: something in there, just to get a little more. Let's
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: talk about what was going on in ninety seven in
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: the US. So the president's Bill Clinton. I'm nice guy.
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: That's my best Bill Clinton. Actually he was a nice
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: guy both times that I hung out. In terms of costs,
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: the average home was one hundred and forty six thousand dollars,
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: median household income was between seven twenty seven and thirty seven,
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: thousand gallon of regular gas was a buck sixty six,
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: and the cost of a new car was sixteen to nine.
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: Is just wild. Not much has changed about the median
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: house income really just everything else that's gone.
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: Let's say, gas is insane right now.
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: Although if you do the if you do the breakdown
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: of the the cost versus income and cost versus income,
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: now it's actually worse than than it is now. That
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: doesn't make me feel any better, That doesn't me in
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: any less money out of up bucket. I'll just say it, okay.
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: So events in February February fifth, Santa Monica jury finds
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: former foot You know what, we forgot to mention this,
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: but this happened in nineteen ninety seven of Santa Monica.
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: Jury finds former football legend O J. Simpson liable for
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: the deaths of Nicole Brown and Ron Goldman.
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: That's right, yes, and he recently went to hell.
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: February twenty eighth, ninety seven North Hollywood shootout with two
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: heavily armed bank robbers. March ninth, notorious pigs killed in
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: the drive by shooting. March twenty sixth is when Heaven's
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: Gate cultists commit my suicide. June second is Timothy mcveigh's
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: convicted on fifteen counts of murder and then just a
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: week or two later he sentenced to death. June twenty eighth,
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: Mike Tyson bites Evander Holyfield's ear and takes a piece off,
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: and now he is promoting his weed gummies that are
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: shaped like an ears. The world's a weird place now. Yeah,
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: he's made weed gummies and they're shaped like ears. That's
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: just weird. Uh huh. August thirteenth of South Park airs
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: its first episode December nineteenth. Titanic promiears in nineteen ninety seven. Yeah,
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: in terms of you know, that's just some of the
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: ninety seven stuff that I could tell you about. There
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: was a lot going on. I never really understood the
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: concept of quote back to the good old days. I
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: think what people really mean is they want to go
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: back to when they didn't know what was going on
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: around them.
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: No, I'm going to tell you, ninety seven was a
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: really good year for me. I got divorced from the
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: first POS in ninety six, so ninety seven was fabulous.
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: I was a single mom of two boys, and I
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: did not have to put up with the controlling pos anymore.
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: So ninety seven was a really good year.
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: Hey, yo, was it that one? Dude? Never mind? So,
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: but like overall, you know, what people really mean is overall,
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: I think they want to go back to when they
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: didn't know what was going on around them when things
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: were quote simple, But they weren't simple because they were simple.
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: They were simple because we were young enough to be
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: able to ignore it and not be informed. And it
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: was okay. Things were just as crappy back then as
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: they are now. September twelfth, nineteen ninety seven. Six people
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: are involved and it was at a dunbar armored facility
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: on Mateo Street in downtown La California. That's right, I said,
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: dunbar armored facility, not a car, not a bank, the
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: dunbar facility itself. There were a few people. Only a
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: few names get thrown around during the case, but I'll
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: name them. Alan Pace the third of Compton with childhood friends,
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: Eric Damon Boyd of buenap Park, Eugene Lamar Hill junior
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: of Bellflower, Freddie Lynn McCrary junior of Arletta, Marry Wayne
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: Brown senior of La and Thomas Lee Johnson of Las Vegas.
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: I am going to leave out out how much they took,
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: but what a set of fact. It took literal years
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: to crack this case. They left no evidence, They were
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: in and out in thirty minutes. And my question, you
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: know as I was reading the beginning of this is
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: how the hell could that possibly happen? How would they
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: even know how this place was laid out? Let's carry
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: out there right? Police suspect suspected it was an inside job.
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: All current informer suspects were considered. All current and former
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: employees were considered suspects. While being question a name came
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: up over and over and over again. Alan Pace Pace
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: was a former security employee of Dunbar and the depot
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: where the robbery took place. And I mean recently former employee,
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: and I'll explain that in a second. He worked at
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: the facility for a grand total of a year and
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: a half. Not only that, but he was the safety
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: director for the company. When he was described, they said
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: he was a normal guy. He had no criminal record.
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: From what I found, he grew up middle class in Compton.
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: Something that Alan used to do at his job was
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: prank people. A lot of folks really enjoyed this, even
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: if they were the ones being pranked. He seemed like
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: a down to earth kind of guy that I probably
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: would hang out with, honestly, but he didn't have any
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: like qualities that would leave people to believe he would
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: be capable of something like this, but that's kind of
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: the perfect setup. Pace knew that if he was going
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: to do this, he was gonna need a little help.
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: Where else can you get a little bit of help,
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: but from your friends. If it's good enough for the Beatles,
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: it's good enough for Alan Pace the third. So he
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: decided to go to friends. He could trust. These people.
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: None of them had police records. Most of them spent
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: nights doing bouncer jobs and night clubs around La so
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: there was a reason for them to be around before
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: the robbery. Excuse me, before the robbery, they sat down
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: had a serious meeting. They promised something to each other,
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: a pact. They said that if anyone's arrested, they would
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: take the fall for everything and not implicate the others.
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: And Pace was the leader of all this. Of course,
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: it's all well and good to talk about it. You
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: agree on it, shake on it, bleed for it. But
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: what happens when the lights in your face and what
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: happens when your back is against the wall, right, we'll
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: find out. So this robbery was set right, This robbery
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: was set to be a one time event. This would
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: have them set for a while. Of course, you know,
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: without the knowledge of how high the cost of living
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: was going to be and income was going to stay.
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: How was at the time, it was wrong all around.
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: It didn't matter. This was the goal. Alan was able
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: to provide them with a diagram of the facility. While
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: he was working there, he did his homework, did not
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: waste the time. He took pictures from the outside and
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: the inside, not only of the locations, but of the
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: video cameras in the hallways. He wanted his team to
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: be able to visualize everything. He took photos of security guards,
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: so you know, he did the research and now it
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: was time to write the plan. He put down the
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: steps they have to take, how many how to avoid
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: the cameras, how to take down the armed guards, gain
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: control of the security command post, enter the vault, low
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: the cash and leave. Not only that, but he planned
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: to take all do all of this in less than
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: thirty minutes. Now they knew all of the entrances and
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: exits by driving by a few times. Imagine that they
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: knew just by driving around a few times. The cops
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: were confused in Texas as to how they knew they
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: were too exactly, but when they drove they chose to
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: drive by weeks ahead of the robbery, so they didn't
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: do it anywhere near when they were actually going to
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: do it, which is really smart. So all this time
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: Pace is still working at the facility. No one suspected
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: a damn thing, but his fate might have it. On
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: the day of September twelfth, he got a call that
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: he was not expecting he was being fired because of
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: the pranks he was pulling. When they finish up the call,
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: the last thing that they said to him, and it
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: was basically, they asked him to turn into keys the
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: next day. Now you can bet they regretted not asking
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: him to bring them in immediately. Why because Pace knew
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: what he had to do now. He called everybody up
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: and said, we're doing this tonight. The timeline had moved up.
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: Pace gave everyone their instructions and then gathered together. They
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: didn't gather at any one house. They met up at
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: a house party in Long Beach. With this they established
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: their alibis. They hung around for a few hours, left
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: quietly changed into outfits masks because you know, what's a robbery,
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: But what's a robbery but Kabooki theater that actually makes
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: somebody the money. That's pretty much what it is. Yes,
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: Banana in the Banana in the.
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: Tail podcasts from with Eddie Murphy.
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: Yes, it also sounds like a really bad Friday night.
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: If you like in your tail butt.
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: Fair fair. So they drove the They entered through the
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: side door right after midnight. Eugene Hill was asked to
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: rent a U haul truck. This is what they would
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: use as their transportation. So they entered through the building.
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: They found and found that not being seen was was
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: their first hurdles. That's the thing. You don't want to
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: get caught before you need to make a move. But
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: it's almost like Pace like took like a metal bandsaw
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: and just cut the hurdle down to where they could
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: just step over it. Because while he was working there,
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: he conned a fellow employee. It was a couple of things.
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: He conned. A fellow employee owned a truck that had
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: a television monitor. The truck was always in the same spot,
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: so they used that. They hugged the wall when they
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: came in, and he did a couple of other things
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: too before he left. Now Pace again was supposed to
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: return his keys the next day. He used that key
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: to get inside. On top of that, they had codes.
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: They never addressed each other by name, only by numbers,
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: so they each had a number and that's that's what
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: they went with, which is really really smart.
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: So that's pretty smart.
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So the security cameras in that facility pan right,
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: pan left, and right, and so pace actually timed out
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: the intervals of the panic, and they walked by undetected,
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: taking turns as they crossed over in the hallway when
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: the cameras were not panned towards them. The one thing
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: they didn't have was a key to the vault. But
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: as co workers did not only that, but they planned
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: their robbery around the time in which they took their
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: lunch breaks. They usually left the vault open during this
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: time because of the deposits that were coming in. When
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: the employee's lunch break began, they tied they were in
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: there waiting for them. They tied them up with duct tape,
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: and they took their key to the vault prep room.
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: The prep room had a camera that they couldn't avoid,
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: which I mean that sucks. They'd done such a good
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: job so far, there was just no way to avoid
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: this one. They launched themselves upon them. They tied them
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: up with duct tape. They took the key to the
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: vault prep room. Now the prep room had a camera
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: they couldn't avoid, like I said, which is why they
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: took the two armed guards who were inside. It's easy
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: to rush someone when nobody could possibly expect a robbery
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: at the dunbar facility. Who expects this not me. Those
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: two guards were tied down. They were told to look
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: directly at the floor. If they didn't, quote, their heads
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: would be blown off. I don't think that's what they said.
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: I don't think they were gonna do that. To be
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: honest with you, I don't notice the violence at any
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: of it, right Well yeah, but also like they went
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: through all this trouble to not be detected, you know
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: what I mean, and to just all of a sudden
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: flip is. And they didn't have any records beforehand. They
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: didn't have any violence on you know, background, So you know,
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't be surprised if they just had like one
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: weapon there and that was it, you know, in order
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: to just like threaten. But there really wasn't any amention
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: of guns. Mostly through this. Not only were these folks
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: tied down looking at the floor, but again a great idea.
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: The team made sure that at least one of them
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: was watching these guards at all times. These last two
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: the U haul truck was brought inside the dock by
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: one of the robbers once they gained access to the
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: vault prep room. Again, the vault is always open on
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: Friday nights because that's when employees moved cash inside the
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: vault that was needed for the weekend. Pace also knew
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: that the money was divided by delivery routes, and he
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: knew which had the largest denomination of bills. One thing
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: that I think contributed to their success is that his
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: Pace's knowledge of the routes and that they cherry picked
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: the cash that they wanted to take. In addition, they
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: also didn't take any brand new, suquentially numbered bills that
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: could be traced back to the robbery. Smart move.
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: I'd say they did their planning. I mean they I mean,
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: I'm not trying to give them you know, I don't
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: want to say they did great, but I'm just saying they.
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: Honestly, I am some thought into it. This was well done.
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: At any moment during this entire time, anybody could have arrived.
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: I mean that danger is real and that would have
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: messed everything up. And if if the you know, if
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: they did have a weapon or two or five involved,
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: those probably would have been used at that point. Maybe,
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: you know, if they are in a corner. People do
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: crazy things when they're back in a corner. But despite that,
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: that fear of concerned, they had to do one more thing,
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: just one. They found the video recorders and they took
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: the tapes with them, smart move, just in case the
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: no So now they they they were There were two
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: locations that these VCRs were from. For those of you
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: playing the home game of I was born in the thousands.
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: VCRs play tapes. They're like big things that have two
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: reels and then there's film that was across from one
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: to the other, and then it goes on the TV
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: and you can rewind it and pass forward it. There
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: are no chapters, and you can accidentally record over it
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: and that makes everybody sad. So okay, I know.
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: This is totally off topic, but I just saw somebody
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: who said that they showed their kid a picture of
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: a floppy disk and their kids said, oh, that's cool, mom,
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: you made a print out of the save icon. And
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: I looked, I'm like okay, it does look like the
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: save document.
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: I captain, You're right. We were still in Geo Cities
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: and angel Fire back then, and there were no clouds
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: in sight. That's right, not one, not one. I you
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: know what, I I need one. I have a couple
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: of tapes I would like to play. I just don't
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: have one at the moment. So there were two locations
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: that these VCRs were from. The first location was pretty
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: easy because I mean and it made sense. It was
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: in the supervisor's office, of course. The second one was
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: a little harder to find. It was kind of in
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: the back in a closet in a room off the side.
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: I caught you high eighties, hiamus uh. Okay, So the
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: second one was hard to find, but they had information
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: from Pace's ex girlfriend, who also worked at Dunbart. So
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: and it just so happened that his ex girlfriend it
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: was her job to change out the tape in the
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: backup recording system.
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: Ah. So one time it pays off to get your
• 54:51
  Speaker 2: honey where you get your money.
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: Right, Yes, it's true, so true. Okay, so they no
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: shots were fired. They got off with the largest cash
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: heist in American history up until recently. If you heard
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: about the news recently that's now the largest, But up
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: until very I was like literally reading this research at
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: the same time that that news came in, and I
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: was like, what did you did you.
• 55:29
  Speaker 2: Use this information to pull off the heist that just happened.
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: So you know, yes, they totally flew. I can't even
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: afford to fly out to do the heist, so.
• 55:44
  Speaker 2: I don't expect you to buy drinks and Denver.
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: You have all that, buddy, Listen, I don't buy drinks
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: for free.
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: Okay, I will bring you Okay, No, my goat is
• 56:03
  Speaker 2: off limits for any favors.
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: Oh, I didn't like that. I just oh, okay, you
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: know that.
• 56:10
  Speaker 2: I don't know if you've heard, but in Texas they
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: call him. Yeah, I'm oh, what is it? But it's
• 56:16
  Speaker 2: something very not nice about doing bad things.
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: I'm in the diet Hope of the South. I'm not
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: that far into the South. And yes, that's is a generality,
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: and I apologize for everybody who's in here who's from
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: the South.
• 56:30
  Speaker 2: I'm kidding well, I will bring the goat if I
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: can get him certified by July. If I can get
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: him certified to be my animal by July, he will
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: come with me.
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: That would be awesome. So they made off with eighteen
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: point nine million dollars in ninety seven with an m
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: in ninety seven today, that is the equivalent of thirty
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: five point nine million dollars. Ship Did you hear that?
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: That's a.
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: A lot of money, he.
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: Said, He said, give me a can. Oh, just he can.
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: This makes everything better. We listen. I could now do
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: the toolbox murders with the goat there. No, I couldn't.
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: I won't. Well that's one case. I won't never cover box.
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: It's a toolbox. I think it's toolbox. Angie will tell me.
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: Am I getting that right or wrong?
• 57:40
  Speaker 2: Or is it the toy box? Is it the toy box?
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: The toy box used to put them?
• 57:49
  Speaker 2: Cindy was her name. And yeah, no, we're not covering that.
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I will never. I've always decided to do that. Okay, Hey,
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: Amos still has a rollodex of pluppies. I love it.
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: That makes me happy on the inside and on the outside,
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: as you can tell. So while they were trying to
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: figure out what to do with the money, the investigation started.
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: But all they could really find was a plastic tail
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: light lens that didn't really belong to any company vehicles.
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: The FBI was able to connect that to ones that
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: were used on fourteen foot ule haul trucks. But here's
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: the thing. That U haul truck was rented by Pace's buddy,
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: who they don't have any reason to connect them, and
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: he never worked at the base, so it just it
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: wasn't what So they didn't really get anything off of
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: that anyway, So what do they do. They're not going
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: to spend spend it lavishly. The money was being stored
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: in trash bags, because that's what you do with money. Yes,
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: each of them initially got one hundred thousand dollars and
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: Pace put the rest in a storage facility. One hundred
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: thousand is just about one hundred and seventy thousand today.
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: I'm not exactly sure where he got the Yeah, I'm
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: not sure where he got This job was the last
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: thing they would ever need to do. But my guess
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: is that he kind of treated it like the lotto
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: where option where you're like paid a little every month
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: so that they wouldn't have it all at the same time,
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: and that prevent them from making a mistake and you know,
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: buying something massive or attracting attention. For six months, nothing happened.
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: Then Pace and the crew put a million dollars to
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: pay for real estate property in the LA area. Pace
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: made sure that nothing could be traced back to him.
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: He spent a lot of money in cash. He didn't
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: have a bank account. At one point he figured, actually,
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: this is what's fascinating to me. At one point he
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: actually figured out they had stolen some sequential bills and
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: that was a total accident because they tried to avoid
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: doing that. And because of that, he asked two of
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: the team to go burn the money.
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 2: They so he literally had money to burn.
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, pretty mu much. Here's the thing though, so this
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: isn't what really, this isn't what got them. But the
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: two of them realized it took way too long to
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: burn money. It's it's it's not paper. Money is not paper.
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: It's fabric. That's why it doesn't fall apart in the wash.
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: So there's a lot more to it. What did you
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: not know that? Yeah?
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 2: I did not know that.
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: Dollar bills dollar bills.
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 2: I thought it was paper and fibers. I thought it
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 2: was both. Is it is it just fabric?
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: It's I thought it was twenty five percent linen, seventy
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: five percent cotton with red and blue fibers distributed randomly throughout.
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: I learned that when I went to the treasury the
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: mint the mint up in DC. So anyways, it took
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: too long to burn the money, and so they did
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: what anybody else would do. They decided to spend it
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 1: in Vegas.
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 2: Why not this one does.
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: Now. They did find out that new bills jam up
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: slot machines because they're so crisp and you know, difficult
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: to get into the slot machine. So they put it
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: I don't know, that's what it said in what I read.
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: So they put the cash in a washing machine to
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: make it usable. So there you go. Totally. The investigation
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: went cold. Pace ended up buying an office space. He
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: set up a new company called Extreme Entertainment on the
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: Surface that rented party equipment jet skis limos, but it
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 1: was actually a front to pay the crew more money
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: right from that stolen money. So he hired them and
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: that's what he used to dole it out. What Pace
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: didn't realize is that Hill, who happened to be the
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: same guy who rented the U haul. Hill gave a
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: middleman one hundred thousand dollars to buy the property, but
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: failed to remove the cash straps.
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 2: But he tells people it's the details.
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: And it wasn't even Pace that made the mistake. So
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: the middleman contacted the authorities after discovering the straps. They
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: determined that from the dates on the straps that that
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: was the money taken. They started watching Hill and the
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: authority subpoened his bank at phone records tens of thousands
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 1: of U haul records to link Hill with the U
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: haul rental. They arrested him and he do you remember
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 1: that meeting that they all had where they said, we're
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 1: not going to flip on anybody. We're going to take
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 1: the blame entire early if we're caught. Yeah, right, Like
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: basically you might as well have cut their palms and
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 1: shook hands or spit on their hands and whatever. Like. Yeah. No,
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: He immediately elected to assist with the investigation. He admitted
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 1: his involvement, and he named the accomplices dog Gunnet. Cannot
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: get good help, No, just can't. The FBI offered him
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: a deal, he took it. Pace remained true to his word,
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: though he refused to rat anybody out. The trial commenced
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: in February of one, The defendants who pled guilty were
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: given seven and a half to eleven year sentences. Pace
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 1: was found guilty and received twenty four years, probably because
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 1: he put it together. However, to this day, Pace denies
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: any involvement with the robbery. He thought he had been framed.
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: This was his reasoning he'd been framed by one of
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 1: the other defendants, quote because I was messing with his wife.
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 2: Now, how much money is did they recover?
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 1: That's my very next thing. They were only ever right,
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: they were only ever They were only ever able to
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 1: recover about five million of the eighteen point nine million
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: by way of the homes, cars, and other valuables they bought.
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 1: There's over ten million still unaccounted for. The rest is
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: thought to have been squandered by them at gambling tables
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 1: in Las Vegas or burned because you know, because of
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: the sequentially numbered bills that they found.
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 2: The now they got smart and hit some of that
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 2: money somewhere for when they got out they could spend it.
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 2: So if they did that, my question, if you rob
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 2: the bank and you get busted like they did, and
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 2: that ten million or however many millions are not recovered,
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 2: can they get busted again for spending it or are
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 2: they off the hook for right Oh, I don't know.
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 2: That's because they did their time.
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. There was one of the guys,
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 1: Eric Damon Boyd. Eric's father was an immigration lawyer. This
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: is the interesting part. There were four of the accomplices, right,
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 1: four out of five who pleaded guilty testified over a
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 1: three week trial, as did Boyd's father, Steve Boyd, who
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: told judge jurors that his son had confessed to him,
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 1: so he was part of it right now. But that's
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 1: that's that's that's not it. Steve Boyd, the son's father,
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: laundered one hundred and seventy seven thousand dollars in cash
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 1: for his son through his business.
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 2: So hey, so did he get his at least law
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 2: license taken away?
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 1: I believe that he did. Good now. Pace and Boyd
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 1: were sentenced on April twenty third, two thousand, one sentence
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 1: later with the other accomplices. But this is one of
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 1: the most intricate, methodical, and brilliant cash robberies that has
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 1: ever been committed up until this point. That is the
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 1: Dunbar heist of nineteen ninety seven and they didn't need
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 1: Twitter to do it, and that's probably why they got
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 1: away with it, so.
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 2: That, I mean, yeah, wasn't just those darn money bands.
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 2: I I have to be honest, I wouldn't have thought
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 2: that the many bands were traceable.
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 1: I think I think it's.
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 2: Okay, don't seem.
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 1: Right. I'm gonna hurt myself. I think it's not so
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 1: much the traceable, it's the fact that it was very
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 1: suspicious that he received a bunch of money wrapped in
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: multiple bands, and when he reported it, the police took
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: a look at the bands and said, hmm, that's the
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 1: same day as this, and then they started putting things together. Okay,
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 1: real quick before I forget, and not on purpose, obviously,
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 1: I'm just my memory shot. I do want to say this.
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 1: I spoke to to Rudy and he wants to do
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 1: a show tomorrow. So we're gonna do Hay Ho show
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 1: tomorrow night. We are not gonna do the quiz tomorrow night,
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 1: but we were gonna just kind of hang out and
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 1: have some fun tomorrow. So that's gonna be tomorrow at nine.
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 1: And then also I made an adjustment to the the
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 1: command for Hey Ho show or not Hay ho show,
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 1: but night Court. I realized after scheduling us for like
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 1: Monday Wednesday, that on Wednesdays a chunk of things happen
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: for me, whether it's soccer games or the new bowling
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 1: league that I'm joining. So because I'm eighty, but are you.
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 2: Talking about real bowling or what bowling refers to for couples.
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: No, real bowling.
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 2: Okay, so you are eighty, Yes.
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 1: I am, for sure. But the league at the end,
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 1: you get two bowling balls out of it, So that's
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 1: kind of cool. I'll take it. It's a great deal.
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 1: It doesn't I get two new balls. I have two
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 1: right now, but they're the old balls. I need new balls,
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 1: so I'll have four balls, so enough balls for everybody.
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 2: So I have a question. Tomorrow night. I think I'm
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 2: gonna drop in and see y'all because Double H will
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 2: be out of the ranch, so I will be at
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 2: home drinking a lot of cocktails. Double H bowls. He
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 2: even has his own bowling ball with his nickname Douche
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 2: imprinted into his bowling ball.
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 1: Not Deuce, Douche, Douche dude. I.
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 2: He won't tell me the story behind that.
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 1: But because he cleans up, I don't. That's weird. Okay, what.
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 2: Maybe one day we'll get him to come on and
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 2: he can tell us. But no, I would love to
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 2: see you and Rudy tomorrow night.
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 1: Okay that sounds good. Yeah, of course you're always welcome.
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 1: You're always always welcome. Uh so so yeah, so fkay,
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 1: Hey Ho show, no quiz. But and then Monday Tuesday. Okay.
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 1: So so Monday is midday missing in May in May
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 1: uh and then also night court Court, and then Tuesday
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 1: will be night Court, and then Wednesday will be midday missing,
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 1: and then Thursday will be true Crime in One Time,
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 1: and then the opposite of that will be Hey Ho
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 1: show on Fridays. We've gone from zero to sixty real fast.
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 2: I have, and since I figured out why I can't
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 2: do anything on my computer, and it's because my mouse
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 2: is dead and it needs to charge. Somebody asks what
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 2: adult bowling is? So bowling here in Texas when I
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 2: grew up, that meant your parents were doing chikibaubow wow wow.
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 2: So they would say, Hey, we're going bowling tonight and
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 2: don't come in the bedroom. So bowling was code word
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 2: for them having sexy time.
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 1: Oh is that what that's called that's what that is.
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 2: So my Philippines recruiting team always laughs when I would
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 2: ask them, I'm like, so did I go bowling this weekend?
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 2: And they didn't know what that meant? And I told
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 2: them and they were like, oh, oh, miss Terry, you
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 2: can't ask us.
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 1: That, you know. I was always told that, like when
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 1: thunder hit, it was the angel's bowling, And now I
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 1: have a completely different thought as to what that means.
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 2: I was told that was my grandparents bowling.
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 1: Oh m hmm, well why not, you know.
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 2: You know they I guess my parents thought it was
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 2: spicy because my mom and dad did bowl on a
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 2: bowling league. So I guess that was their way of
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 2: slipping in bowling and we wouldn't think anything, I guess.
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 1: Phrasing phrasing flipping in. Oh geez, gonna go bowl with
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 1: pineapples or grapefruit or grapefruit.
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 2: Close your ears, Jasper, you're too young for this. But
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 2: now we have gone from zero to sixty looking at
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 2: our stuff, which I have to say that I'm kind
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 2: of excited about it.
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, me too. Despite despite one, two three, it's still
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 1: only it's still for me, it's still only three days,
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 1: three nights a week because of things flipping back and forth,
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 1: and so it's well, while you still get a lot
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 1: of content, it's still manageable because there's nothing I hate
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 1: more than canceling. I hate it. I hate it. I
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 1: hate it. I still feel guilty for canceling in my
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 1: earlier livestream life. Oh so I don't like doing it.
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 2: I I hear you, and that's why I wound up
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 2: pushing Midday missing to May, hoping the vertigo would be gone.
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 2: I'm getting an infusion on Monday, so shouldn't have to
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 2: cancel because I'm the same way I. I put so
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 2: much pressure on myself when I have to cancel that
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 2: I literally, I mean, I just sit there and beat
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 2: myself up, which is not good, you know to do.
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's the The one thing that helps is
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 1: the community that we have being forgiving and caring, and
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 1: so that helps me feel better about it. But if
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 1: I don't have to, I don't want to. Of course,
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 1: life happens.
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 2: So but yeah, like I even told the group because
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 2: I popped onto the Midday yesterday because we forgot to
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 2: take it down, and told them that even if Vertigo
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 2: hit tonight, I was going to do it from my
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 2: bed in my pajamas, And yes, I would put pajamas
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 2: on since I don't sleep in pajamas, but I would
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 2: put pajamas on to be on YouTube so they wouldn't
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 2: try to refer us to only fans, because we don't
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 2: need to see any white beached whales on YouTube.
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 1: Terry, No, but we do need that income.
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 2: We I mean, we could use the income so that
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 2: we can. I will say, on our first midday missing,
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 2: we have a bonker's case to cover. I actually because
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 2: on midday missing, we're not doing investigation. We're just sharing stuff.
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 2: I actually talked to the family of a missing person,
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 2: and Guys, I cried for close to two hours afterwards,
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 2: because we're just gonna say, Harris County, who's screwed up
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 2: on the Chase Lackey case, has screwed up even worse
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 2: on this other case.
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 1: I just heard the bullet points, y'all, and she's not kidding.
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So I'm excited to do a midday missing and
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 2: we'll probably even maybe bring some families on if they
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 2: can do it during the day. All now, we have
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 2: to be harder on ourself. We got high standards for ourselves.
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 2: But I'll be honest. We're going to bring this new content.
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 2: We're going to only reschedule if we have to. One
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 2: thing I've told JT. We have to make sure we
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 2: take care of ourselves because especially on the true crimes,
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 2: it's heartbreaking and it can take its toll on you.
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 2: And I will tell you the missing Midday. That's why
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 2: we're going to keep it thirty to forty five minutes
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 2: our tops, because it's heartbreaking, it's and I take everything
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 2: so personal. I mean I have cried myself to sleep
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 2: over Chase Lackey. I feel like I know him because
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 2: of his family and friends and this isn't even my kid,
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 2: and I cry about him. So it's it's hard. And
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 2: that's why I'll be honest, guys. Every time we finish
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 2: a live stream, I go take a bubble bath because
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 2: I have to do something to just try to erase
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 2: my mind, and I just listen to some good old
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 2: country music and lay my head back.
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think, And you know you have a perfect
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 1: time too for it, because it's really when a lot
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 1: of course courts go in recess for lunch and so
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 1: instead of like staring at an empty chair from somebody
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 1: else or a live like you know, whatever it's, you
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 1: can hop over to us and then hop whatever you
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 1: want to do. So it's a it's a really good
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 1: good spot for it. And I think that that's when
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 1: most people are going to be able to take a
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 1: break from where they're at and and and experience those
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 1: stories and maybe they know something you never know, you never.
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 2: Know, you never know. And I mentioned this yesterday episode
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 2: two of True Crime and Wine Time. When I started it,
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 2: and I did it by myself. I covered Kimberly Langwell,
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 2: who is missing out of the Golden Triangle, Boma Port,
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 2: author Port and H's area, and I did research. I
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 2: wasn't confident enough in my abilities to investigate, but I
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 2: narrowed down who I thought it was and I found
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 2: him and I wanted to go to his house and
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 2: question him, and Double Ah was like, have you lost
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 2: your f and mine? Now I would just get my
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 2: back up and go. They are actually taking it to
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 2: the grand jury, and that guy looks like he's gonna
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 2: be indicted.
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 1: So.
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 2: I would like to think just by sharing that case,
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 2: I noticed after we did it, a couple of other
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 2: podcasts covered it because it was a pretty much unknown case,
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 2: nobody knew anything. So I would just like to think
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 2: that just by giving it a little bit of exposure
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 2: as a newby podcast. I mean, it's not a great episode.
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 2: I've listened to it repeatedly and I'm like, yeah, that's so.
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 2: I mean, but I was just starting out, you know.
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 2: But and that's what I hope with Midday Missing we
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 2: can do is just get the word out. Because guess what,
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 2: Nobody can go missing without somebody knowing or seeing something.
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 2: I said this yesterday. It's not like a little invisible
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 2: a ship comes and suck somebody up. It doesn't happen.
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 2: It is impossible for somebody to just disappear. It doesn't happen.
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 1: Sure does Sure? Does? You know? At some point I'll
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 1: get I'll get brave enough to where just for fun,
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 1: for like a fun evening, I'll just stream our bowling
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 1: night from the bowling alley. It'll be fun. Why not?
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 2: That would be fun?
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 1: Give you some you can hang out with me, Rudy
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 1: and my buddy Billy, and you can see how bad
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 1: I am and it'll be fun. That'll be fun.
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 2: But you know what, I think we told everybody that
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 2: we're all going to be together. In July at the
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 2: True Crime and Paranormal Conference and Mike, your original co
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 2: host and lifelong co host of Brue Crime. We're gonna
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 2: all be there together and we're gonna do some live
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 2: streaming if we can get Mike on camera. Mike is
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 2: not like JT and I who love the camera. Mike's
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  Speaker 2: like yet, no, But we're going to try after a
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 2: few drinks, couple of gummies.
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  Speaker 1: That that glorious, glorious beard needs to be on camera.
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  Speaker 2: It does, and he even said I could put pink
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  Speaker 2: bows in it. So I am going to make some
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 2: pink bows.
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  Speaker 1: Awesome, perfect. Yes, we are definitely gonna stream. I that's
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  Speaker 1: the thing. You know again, this is like the whole
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 1: promised thing we promise to stream. We're gonna stream. Wait,
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 1: we've got the tech, We've got the knowledge and know how.
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  Speaker 1: It's just a matter of just taking the stuff with
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 1: us and.
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  Speaker 2: Done us not making total idiots of ourself after cocktails
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  Speaker 2: and lives streaming.
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  Speaker 1: What's the difference?
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  Speaker 2: Ye, all I know is I made the decision and
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  Speaker 2: I hadn't told you this yet, JT. But if any
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  Speaker 2: of our subscribers show up at that event and show
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 2: me on their phone or whatever device. I will send
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 2: them a free T shirt for True Crime and Wine Time.
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  Speaker 2: And if there's multiples, I will pay for the shirts
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  Speaker 2: and send them because I really think it'd be cool
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  Speaker 2: to meet some of them.
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  Speaker 1: There's what, Well, I'm gonna get kicked off. There's always multiples.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I am known for multiples. I mean not gonna lie.
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  Speaker 2: I'll own it.
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  Speaker 1: We're talking about strikes, strikes and bowling. Wait, that still
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  Speaker 1: doesn't make any.
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  Speaker 2: Strikes and bowlings. Yes, I would love if people can
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  Speaker 2: come and meet us and hang out with us, because
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  Speaker 2: if anybody does, I'd also to bring them in on
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  Speaker 2: the live stream, rang.
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  Speaker 1: Them multiple That's exactly what the judge said.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, maybe depending on where everybody lives, just
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 2: get a convoy together and drive to Denver.
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  Speaker 1: That's a fun drive too, That would.
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 2: Be a fun drive. Yeah, all right, it'll be exciting.
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 1: Oh for sure.
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 2: Maybe we can go bowling while we're in Denver.
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 1: I won't say no, but I'm not real I am,
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  Speaker 1: but I'm not not going to bring.
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  Speaker 2: My Okay, you know what I need to clarify real bowling.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm sharing a room with somebody, but it ain't
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 1: for that so.
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 2: If it is, I do not need to know. But no,
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  Speaker 2: I'm excited. I think taking a break and just doing
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 2: things every other week is good. And I think you
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 2: doing night court a couple of nights instead of trying
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 2: to doing four or five makes more sense. Now when
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 2: we get to where we can both quit our jobs
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 2: and do this full time, heck, we can stream eight
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 2: hours a day.
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 1: That would be the ultimate goal. That's what we would
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  Speaker 1: love to do. We got a little ways to go
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 1: on that one, but that's okay, we.
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 2: Do hey, but we all got to have goals.
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 1: It's true. It's true. Also, I don't I don't go
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 1: bowling at conferences. That's how you get I'm gonna bring
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 1: this back full circle right now, that's how you get chlamydia.
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 2: You took up that from Koala Bears.
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 1: You only want to take away from conferences like that,
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 1: stickers and fun stuff. You don't want to take clamydia
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 1: away from a conference. But that is how that happens.
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 1: So you know, don't don't do that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't want to bring back anything contagious.
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 1: From the audience.
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 2: No, so, but I think it's going to be exciting,
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  Speaker 2: and it'll be exciting to see you tomorrow night.
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 1: Yes, yes, excited, everybody, come on back, we'll be here.
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 1: Hit the little reminder button in it. I already scheduled
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 1: it so it should be up now and uh we
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 1: will see you then, all right. Uh. I will finish
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• 1:24:00
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