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The Late Debate | 9 September · The Late Debate

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  Speaker 1: Late welcome, Late plain.
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  Speaker 2: Well, thanks for joining us. I'm James Macpherson with Liz
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  Speaker 2: Storer and Caleb Bond coming up. Police complain that unisex
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  Speaker 2: uniforms are damaging their ability to do their job. We'll
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  Speaker 2: explain that fully a little later in the program. Plus,
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  Speaker 2: when we look at the papers, attempts to declare every
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  Speaker 2: creek in the New South Wales Shire as an Indigenous
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  Speaker 2: sacred site, and the government and out sweeping reforms to
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  Speaker 2: veterans affairs, all of that, as I said, when we
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  Speaker 2: look at the papers. But first, if you've ever thought
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  Speaker 2: environmentalism was a quasi religion, where you're going to love
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  Speaker 2: this story. Climate chaplains are being employed in organizations to
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  Speaker 2: help people deal with climate grief. NPR, that's National Public
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  Speaker 2: Radio in America have reported the eco chaplain is a
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  Speaker 2: twenty first century invention, and well, no one knows exactly
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  Speaker 2: how many there are. Chaplaincy experts agree the number is
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  Speaker 2: likely less than one hundred. They have been operating in Australia,
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  Speaker 2: the US, Canada and the UK. Now caleber lives you'll
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  Speaker 2: be fascinated to learn these climate chaplains, novel spiritual leaders
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  Speaker 2: have been developing spiritual rituals to help people close rituals
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  Speaker 2: to help people deal with climate regret, that's where you
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  Speaker 2: feel like you didn't do enough to save the planet.
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  Speaker 2: Climate complicity, where you feel guilty because you have played
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  Speaker 2: a part in the degradation of the planet. Climate lamit,
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  Speaker 2: where you're just generally sad, and helping people deal with
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  Speaker 2: saying goodbye to species that are becoming extinct. Now, NPR
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  Speaker 2: went along to what they called a climate Grieving circle
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  Speaker 2: where people sat around together led by a former Buddhist
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  Speaker 2: now turned climate chaplain in breathing exercises where you exhale
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  Speaker 2: and as the way you're laughing, this is a very
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  Speaker 2: serious attempt to help people with climate grief. As you
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  Speaker 2: exhale the plants and trees they inhale, and you become
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  Speaker 2: one with creation and contribute to the healing of the planet. Now,
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  Speaker 2: there's a bit more to this, and I don't want
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  Speaker 2: to make it sound too simple, because Caleb, they've got
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  Speaker 2: chaplains who deal with younger people and older people, because
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  Speaker 2: the issues are different. For younger people, you're trying to
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  Speaker 2: help them deal with climate fright, where they are just
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  Speaker 2: petrified of wildfires, hurricanes and a second Trump presidency. And
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  Speaker 2: then you've got Chaplains dealing with the older generation who
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  Speaker 2: are just mourning the fact that decades of climate activism
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  Speaker 2: tying themselves to the port of Newcastle has done nothing
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  Speaker 2: to stop the climate crisis. And so I think this
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  Speaker 2: is a wonderful thing, Liz, that we need to see
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  Speaker 2: more of. I think a lot of people are going
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  Speaker 2: to be helped by this.
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  Speaker 3: I want this job.
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  Speaker 4: I bet they're all in six figures. And I would
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  Speaker 4: just begin by being like, why are all so stupid?
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  Speaker 3: Why are you all so stupid?
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  Speaker 4: Has anyone shown you definitive scientific proof.
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  Speaker 3: That see is destroying the planet?
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  Speaker 4: Did you know it's actually the most important nutrient for
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  Speaker 4: life on Earth? Without it, we'd all be dead, There'd
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  Speaker 4: be no plants, there'd be no humans, nothing, And in fact,
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  Speaker 4: science shows they were running short of it before we
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  Speaker 4: rocked up and started pumping some extra into the atmosphere.
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  Speaker 4: After my consults, they'd all leave climate change denials.
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  Speaker 3: I'd be like, give it ten years.
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  Speaker 4: You're going to feel real stupid. Do not waste any
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  Speaker 4: more time on your regret. You're grieving your anxiety and depression.
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  Speaker 2: That's conversion therapy.
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  Speaker 5: Illegal.
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  Speaker 4: This is just This is so sad, and it speaks
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  Speaker 4: to the state of people's mental health in today's world
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  Speaker 4: and the fact that no one driving this wave of
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  Speaker 4: mental health around climate change.
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  Speaker 3: Nobody is answering for this.
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  Speaker 4: All the fear porn that is being pumped in to
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  Speaker 4: our young and yes the older people as well, being
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  Speaker 4: made to feel like all your life you didn't even
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  Speaker 4: know about this, and you've trashed the planet and you've
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  Speaker 4: ruined it for generations to come. Genuine vulnerable, conscientious people
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  Speaker 4: are now made to feel like you're to answer for
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  Speaker 4: what we're now facing and the coming generations who now
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  Speaker 4: need to live in caves otherwise there's no way we
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  Speaker 4: can survive here.
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  Speaker 2: To be fair, they're not just old, they're whites as well.
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  Speaker 1: So I'm just at a loss. I am. I am
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  Speaker 1: completely at a loss, Like we are staffed.
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  Speaker 5: As a human race.
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  Speaker 1: If we need to have bloody echo chaplains, I might
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  Speaker 1: leave my glasses off because it's harder to see the
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  Speaker 1: world with my glasses off, And at this point that's
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  Speaker 1: kind of how I want it. Like if nothing will
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  Speaker 1: show you how far we have fallen, like the fact
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  Speaker 1: that we now have quote unquote eco chaplains, presumably in
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  Speaker 1: schools and workplaces and nursing homes and whatever else, holding
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  Speaker 1: people's home. But when you said before, this concept of
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  Speaker 1: them having these breathing circles, right, and so they're saying,
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  Speaker 1: you know, inhale and then then exhale deeply. Now, surely
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  Speaker 1: there's a big problem with that, because every time you exhale,
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  Speaker 1: you are exhaling carbon dioxide and you are contributing to
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  Speaker 1: the carbon emissions flying out into the atmosphere. So surely
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  Speaker 1: in these breathing circles, they should be encouraging you to
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  Speaker 1: hold your breath for as long as possible until you
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  Speaker 1: go purple in the face and drop dead, because that's
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  Speaker 1: the best thing you could possibly do for the planet.
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  Speaker 1: And by the way, it alleviates all your climate anxiety.
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  Speaker 1: But you know, we make all these jokes, but it
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  Speaker 1: is really sad that there are children, in particular, children
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  Speaker 1: who are genuinely concerned that the world they are living
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  Speaker 1: in today, that they are growing up in today, may
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  Speaker 1: not exist by the time they are eighty years old.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, there's a lead to believe that the whole
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  Speaker 1: joints going to fall apart and the world's going to
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  Speaker 1: implode and it's going to be like and the dinosaurs
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  Speaker 1: became extinct and all the mediaors came and took us out,
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  Speaker 1: like it's not gonna happen. It ain't gonna happen. There's
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  Speaker 1: this little thing called evolution, right, and when things change,
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  Speaker 1: the atmosphere change, the climate changes, as it has always changed.
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  Speaker 1: Some species survive and some species don't. It has ever
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  Speaker 1: been thus But you know what, we are the smartest.
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  Speaker 1: We're at the top of the tree. If anyone can
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  Speaker 1: find a way to adapt to the planet being you know,
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  Speaker 1: one and a half degrees warmer or whatever it's supposedly
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  Speaker 1: going to be, it's human beings who can do that. Like,
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  Speaker 1: it ain't going to be that big of a problem.
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  Speaker 1: But kids are genuinely worried that the world is not
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  Speaker 1: going to be here by the time they're aty, that
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  Speaker 1: they're all going to cark it because it's too hot.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I know it gets pretty hot in Australia,
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  Speaker 1: but try living in some other parts of the world
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  Speaker 1: where they never get any rain and it's hot all
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  Speaker 1: the time.
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  Speaker 2: This is this is like the religion of choice for
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  Speaker 2: urban atheists, who just prove the point that you can
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  Speaker 2: say I'm not interested in religion, but if in the
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  Speaker 2: end you are innately spiritual, you have to come up
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  Speaker 2: with something. So, you know, climate activitism's got its saints,
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  Speaker 2: you know, like Greta Tunberg. It's got its sinners like BP,
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  Speaker 2: it's got its evangelists El Gore, it's got its penance,
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  Speaker 2: you buy your carbon credits, and it's got all the
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  Speaker 2: hallmarks of religion. Being say no, I'm not into religion,
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  Speaker 2: and yet you're completely into religion as if you were
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  Speaker 2: following any of the mainstream religion.
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  Speaker 4: And people must be made to believe in it because
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  Speaker 4: we have not even seen the beginnings of the price.
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  Speaker 4: The government is going to increasingly demand that you pay
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  Speaker 4: for this religion, whether you believe in it or not.
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  Speaker 4: You don't get to subscribe from this. And this is
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  Speaker 4: why I can't believe people have relinquished the scientific argument
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  Speaker 4: so quickly.
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  Speaker 3: We're told that the science is settled.
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  Speaker 4: Well, of course, the science is settled when you gag
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  Speaker 4: everyone who disagrees with you. Because what governments around the world,
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  Speaker 4: particularly Western governments, are increasingly requiring of their people in
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  Speaker 4: the name of this climate change, gender is going to become.
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  Speaker 3: More and more and more onerous.
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  Speaker 4: That is why we're not allowed to question it, We're
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  Speaker 4: not allowed to cast.
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  Speaker 3: Doubts on it. And now we're supposed to take it.
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  Speaker 4: So seriously that we have chaplains to deal with people's
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  Speaker 4: climbing anxiety about an issue that I genuinely feel sorry
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  Speaker 4: for these people because they think.
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  Speaker 3: That this is one hundred percent real.
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  Speaker 4: This is all going to happen imminently unless everyone changes
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  Speaker 4: at the speed of light. Even the evangelists that Mac
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  Speaker 4: just talked about, even the governments themselves perpetuating this narrative,
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  Speaker 4: dolling out these onerous policies that are only going to
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  Speaker 4: get worse and worse.
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  Speaker 3: Even they are.
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  Speaker 4: The ones that we catch out every other week spending
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  Speaker 4: millions of.
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  Speaker 3: Dollars of our taxpayer dollars.
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  Speaker 4: On their flights for trips that could have been a
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  Speaker 4: ten minute car ride.
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  Speaker 3: No, no, we've got to save the planet. Not if
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  Speaker 3: you're them.
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  Speaker 4: They are laughing at you, These people buying beachfront properties
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  Speaker 4: while preaching to the plabs that we're all.
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  Speaker 3: Going to be underwater in a matter of years.
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  Speaker 4: It is utterly ridiculous, and so more than anything, although
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  Speaker 4: it is extremely funny, I get angry when I read
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  Speaker 4: stories like this, because you've always got those of us
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  Speaker 4: humans that tape things to the nth degree. There's still
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  Speaker 4: people post COVID wearing masks and being deathly scared that
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  Speaker 4: they're going to transmit it to someone or that they're
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  Speaker 4: going to cause issues in that space, because they're extremely
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  Speaker 4: conscientious and they're genuinely still scared.
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  Speaker 3: It's abominable.
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  Speaker 1: Well, if you've caught the climate disease, I'm glad to
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  Speaker 1: tell you that the later bait is the inoculation. Please
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  Speaker 1: get your dose every single night at ten pm here
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  Speaker 1: on Sky New. Speaking of the environment, you may have
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  Speaker 1: heard the story earlier in the year that the federal
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  Speaker 1: government wants to set up an environmental cop on the beat.
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  Speaker 1: It was one of their election promises that they would
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  Speaker 1: set up a federal version of the EPA. Generally that's
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  Speaker 1: Protection Authority, it's called in the various states. The federal
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  Speaker 1: version would be called Environment Protection Australia. Well, the federal government, sorry,
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  Speaker 1: is in a spot of bother because they're struggling to
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  Speaker 1: get this legislation through the parliament because, as you would expect,
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  Speaker 1: the opposition the Coalition saying this thing goes too far,
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  Speaker 1: because essentially what the government has suggested is that it
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  Speaker 1: would perform all the sort of jobs that the EPA
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  Speaker 1: currently does statewide. You know, it monitors environmental issues with
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  Speaker 1: developments and minds and this sort of thing, but the
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  Speaker 1: federal government wants to actually give it enforcement powers. So
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  Speaker 1: it would essentially be able to make decisions instead of
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  Speaker 1: the Minister, who at the moment is tenure plip a second.
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  Speaker 1: We'll get to her in a moment, but it would
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  Speaker 1: be able to make decisions about developments and minds and
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  Speaker 1: these sort of things instead of the minister making that decision.
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  Speaker 1: And of course, when you think, well, this mob is
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  Speaker 1: the Environment Protection Authority, it's probably going to make decisions
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  Speaker 1: that are not necessarily about the economy and what's good
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  Speaker 1: for the country. They're going to make decisions that they
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  Speaker 1: think are supposedly good for the environment. So the coalition
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  Speaker 1: says we've got to water this thing down, we want
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  Speaker 1: less powers given to it, and the Greens, on the
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  Speaker 1: other hand, which is the other mob that might be
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  Speaker 1: able to get it through the Parliament, say no, we actually.
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  Speaker 5: Want to beef it up further.
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  Speaker 1: Now you can imagine what it would look like if
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  Speaker 1: the Greens got their hands on it. And Tanya Plipasek,
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  Speaker 1: who is the minister in charge of this thing, you
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  Speaker 1: will know, recently denied a gold mine in New South
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  Speaker 1: Wales because supposedly there's some indigenous heritage problem here, even
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  Speaker 1: though she overruled the hand picked Indigenous heritage advisor within
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  Speaker 1: her department and took the word of someone else against
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  Speaker 1: the word of the local indigenous people. So she can't
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  Speaker 1: get that right. She's been roundly criticized for that. She
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  Speaker 1: can't get this Environment Protection Authority legislation through the parliament.
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  Speaker 1: So what do you reckons She's decided she needs to
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  Speaker 1: do to take the heat.
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  Speaker 5: Off her portfolio.
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  Speaker 1: At the moment, she's dabbling in some fashion modeling. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: that is a real clip that Tanya Plibasik posted on
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  Speaker 1: social media. It's good to see that she's taking the
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  Speaker 1: job really seriously right now. But you can just imagine,
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  Speaker 1: and we talked about the eco chaplains, right here's a
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  Speaker 1: mob that they can go and work for it, but
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  Speaker 1: they will be federally employed ego chaplains in every school
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  Speaker 1: across the country once the EPA is established. But knowing
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  Speaker 1: how Tanya Plibasik has recently conducted herself as the Minister
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  Speaker 1: knocking back of mind that the local indigenous population says
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  Speaker 1: they want a need because they want the jobs that
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  Speaker 1: the EPA in New South Wales said.
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  Speaker 5: There was no problem with that.
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  Speaker 1: The Premier of New South Wales, Chris Mins, has no
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  Speaker 1: problem with she's making political decisions I believe to advantage
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  Speaker 1: herself in her electorate in suburban Sydney as opposed to
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  Speaker 1: what is good for the greater good of the state
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  Speaker 1: of New South Wales in the country. So if that's
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  Speaker 1: the attitude she takes his minister, imagine what this EPA
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  Speaker 1: would do if she managed to get it up.
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  Speaker 2: Well, imagine what will happen if we get the hung
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  Speaker 2: Parliament at the next election and the Greenens and their price,
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  Speaker 2: because the Greens not only want this organization which will
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  Speaker 2: have the power to approve or disapprove developments without reference
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  Speaker 2: to anybody else, which almost convinces me an organization that
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  Speaker 2: doesn't have to reference tenure plipar sc you could almost say.
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  Speaker 3: Could be might be an improvement.
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  Speaker 1: That's how bad.
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  Speaker 4: The only people who will get appointed to the EBA
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  Speaker 4: will be like Tang your plibosec on steroids. Well, these
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  Speaker 4: people will make the social workers look.
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  Speaker 3: Like like g Stapo.
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  Speaker 4: Like these these people appointed because it will be under
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  Speaker 4: the Albanzi government. If they can get it across the line,
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  Speaker 4: it'll be ten times worse. And then the minister government
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  Speaker 4: loves to do this gets to go.
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  Speaker 3: It wasn't me, it was.
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  Speaker 4: The EPA and these are their recommendations.
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  Speaker 2: Government is well practiced in blaming public service.
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  Speaker 4: Exactly, so they'll just be like vet every mining proposal,
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  Speaker 4: logging a thing of the past, like they'll do the
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  Speaker 4: dirty work for the government, while the government simply says, well.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, good point. So while Labor are willing to compromise
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  Speaker 2: on that to get coalition and support, the Greens are
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  Speaker 2: saying no, no, that's got to remain.
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  Speaker 3: End.
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  Speaker 2: They want a climate trigger, whereby every development is assessed
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  Speaker 2: as to how it will affect the climate crisis. So
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  Speaker 2: you can imagine not just the bureaucracy, but the cost
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  Speaker 2: that this will impose on pretty much every development that's imaginable.
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  Speaker 2: It will literally bankrupt the country because nothing will be affordable.
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  Speaker 4: It's a nightmare waiting to happen. And anyone reading about
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  Speaker 4: this today goes.
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  Speaker 3: It's bad enough as it is.
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  Speaker 4: We've already got state governments passing laws that dictate what
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  Speaker 4: developments have to look like. So we've got the cultural
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  Speaker 4: heritage type stuff vetting projects here, there and everywhere. Then
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  Speaker 4: we've got the environmental in Victoria, you've got to have
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  Speaker 4: double glazed windows and white rooms if you're in this
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  Speaker 4: specific area.
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  Speaker 3: All the rest of it.
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  Speaker 4: The state governments are already implementing local governments as well.
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  Speaker 4: Enough red tape to curl anybody's hair, and now you
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  Speaker 4: want an EPA on top of that. The Coalition has
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  Speaker 4: taken a common sense middle ground here where they're saying, look,
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  Speaker 4: if it's a compliance only role and it's simply a
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  Speaker 4: watchdog of sorts to say, hey, you're not obeying the laws,
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  Speaker 4: the environmental laws that are already passed, already up and running.
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  Speaker 3: You guys are breaking the rules.
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  Speaker 4: We'll vote for it if it's compliance only.
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  Speaker 3: The Greens want to be fed up.
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  Speaker 4: There seems to be absolutely no middle ground here. Either
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  Speaker 4: Labor agree to giving this thing like weapons grade powers,
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  Speaker 4: or they water it down. Here's hoping that they come
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  Speaker 4: to the coalition's party and not the Greens.
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  Speaker 2: Otherwise we're screwed and just on that tenure plbisk Instagram thing.
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  Speaker 2: Isn't that an example of what they call fast fashion,
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  Speaker 2: which is really bad?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, where is the sustainability unless you's had all those
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  Speaker 4: suits for ten years apiece, in which case it's okay.
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  Speaker 5: That is true.
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  Speaker 1: They may well be of good quality. But of course
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  Speaker 1: the other problem with it is, and I know we
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  Speaker 1: all disagree with the decision that Tanya Plibasik has recently
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  Speaker 1: made about the Goldman and Blainey, but I prefer these
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  Speaker 1: decisions to be made by the minister rather than faithless
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  Speaker 1: buau arrest right is because not only exactly because not
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  Speaker 1: only is it something for them to hide behind, it
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  Speaker 1: abrogates the.
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  Speaker 5: Responsibility of the minister.
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  Speaker 1: The minister, much like the Prime Minister and all politicians,
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  Speaker 1: are elected to make moral decisions on behalf of the public.
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  Speaker 5: That is why we elect them.
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  Speaker 1: We elect them to make decisions that we want them
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  Speaker 1: to make. It's not then their job to farm that
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  Speaker 1: decision making out to other people's well within the purview
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  Speaker 1: of the public service to come back and make recommendations
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  Speaker 1: to ministers, but it should ultimately be up to the
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  Speaker 1: minister to make that decision. Otherwise, well, why have the ministers.
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  Speaker 1: Let's just cut out all the crap in Canberra, just
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  Speaker 1: at the public service, run the Taylor. We have questions, Yes,
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: you have questions.
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  Speaker 2: You said that our politicians are elected to make moral decisions. Yes,
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  Speaker 2: well they've been in government two years. When will they start?
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  Speaker 5: Well, I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: It's not my job to tell them when to do
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  Speaker 1: their jol I'm just saying that what we elect them for.
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  Speaker 6: We know they.
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  Speaker 1: Abrogate the responsibility all the time. But that's the idea
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  Speaker 1: of the system, right. It doesn't always work, but that's
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  Speaker 1: the point.
• 17:26
  Speaker 3: Onto more environmental madness.
• 17:28
  Speaker 4: In New South Wales, there's a new Plastics Project Action Plan.
• 17:34
  Speaker 4: You thought they'd stop at banning plastic straws while you're
• 17:37
  Speaker 4: sucking on your soggy paper ones.
• 17:39
  Speaker 3: You thought they'd stop at banning plastic cutlery. No, they're
• 17:44
  Speaker 3: taking it one further.
• 17:46
  Speaker 4: Forcing cafes to accept reusable cups and standardizing the packaging
• 17:50
  Speaker 4: four disposable cups are among the ideas the New South
• 17:53
  Speaker 4: Wales government is putting out for consultation on Monday, being today.
• 17:58
  Speaker 3: Other ideas listed in the.
• 18:00
  Speaker 4: New South Wales Plastics the Way forward action plan include
• 18:04
  Speaker 4: banning the release of helium balloons. Yeah, that'll save the
• 18:08
  Speaker 4: planet quick smart, Banning plastic sticks for lollipops. Off, we
• 18:14
  Speaker 4: are saved in favor of paper or wooden alternatives. Banning
• 18:19
  Speaker 4: the plastic ties on bread bags, Yes, that has kept
• 18:23
  Speaker 4: me awake at night. And tethering lids to plastic bottles
• 18:26
  Speaker 4: accepted in return and earn schemes now.
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: Other states have already implemented these. In fact, it wasn't
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: until today that I found out it is law.
• 18:39
  Speaker 4: It is law New South Walians that you cannot release
• 18:42
  Speaker 4: more than nineteen helium balloons. You're having a party, you
• 18:46
  Speaker 4: want to make a statement, you want to make all
• 18:48
  Speaker 4: the kids go woo. It is literally written into legislation
• 18:53
  Speaker 4: in our state that you cannot release more than nineteen
• 18:56
  Speaker 4: helium balloons twenty you've broken the law. I mean, we
• 19:01
  Speaker 4: are just getting to the well, we're well pass the
• 19:04
  Speaker 4: point of ridiculous when this is what the government is
• 19:08
  Speaker 4: turning its attention to. Thank you for looking after the
• 19:10
  Speaker 4: big issues. Yeah, we can't ban kids from accessing pornography online.
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: We can't stop rampant crime in the streets.
• 19:19
  Speaker 4: We can't even send immigrants back to where they came
• 19:22
  Speaker 4: from if they break our laws in the worst of ways.
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: But you can't release more than twenty helium balloons, so
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: you know they're doing their job.
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: I'm so pleased to hear that.
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: I feel a lot better.
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: The problem is, I mean, we're sitting here thinking this
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: is ridiculous. But if you read the Sydney Morning Herald
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: comments underneath this article.
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: Everyone's loving it.
• 19:41
  Speaker 4: Everyone they've gone further.
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: They're saying this is not enough.
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: Let me read for you some of the comments. People
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: in the comments they want to ban fridge magnets because
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: they never break down fridge magnets. Other people said, you
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: know synthetic football fields. They want to get rid of astrotypes.
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: Oh yes, AstroTurf.
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: Someone just went on there and said, let's just ban
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: cars completely. Sure. Someone else said this is serious. They
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: said the problem with plastic coffee cups. We should ban
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: people walking with coffee. Then you wouldn't need to take
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: away coffee cups and have your coffee. These are serious comments.
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: In the Sydney Morning Herald, someone said polysh styrene beads
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: in bean bags, Well, how does a bean bag work
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: if you can't have those beans? Beans in the bag,
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: and my favorite one band bin liners.
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: Actually, actually I have.
• 20:26
  Speaker 4: A member of my family who shall remain nameless, who
• 20:29
  Speaker 4: literally he won't allow bin bags.
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: They just have to clean out their bin risk.
• 20:34
  Speaker 4: Like, what is the difference?
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: What difference are you making?
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: But to the plaint the point here always is that
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: you know, we as a species progressed, we keep progressing.
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: We find ways to live. Well, I'm getting to the point.
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: We find ways to make life easier and whatever, and
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: we sort of got to the pinnacle of that, and
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: now we're like, okay, let's go backwards. Like we develop
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: products that are good tea use and easy to use,
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: let's go back to all the products that we replace
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: them with because they were no good. No, no, no, let's
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: go back to the ones that were no good. Let's
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: have the paper straws, let's have the paper sticks, all
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: this sort of nonsense.
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: The problem, as far as I can see here is litterers, right,
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: because the issue with all the plastics and I know
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: they don't break down whatever, but the issue is that
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: people discard them. They chuck them out of car windows,
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: and they put them in places where they shouldn't be,
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: and then they end up in the ocean, and then
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: fish consume them, and then the fish are all full
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: of plastics, and then you eat that as microplastics when
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: you look up your fish, et cetera, et cetera. Why
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: don't we just go full Singapore on people who litter
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: their plastics and then there's no problem. We can dispose
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: of the plastics properly, and that's fine. It's the people
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: who are chucking them out willy nilly, just letting them
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: go in the environment that are the problem. And not
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: only is it bad for the environment when they do
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: it, it looks bad. Let's just crack down on the litteris
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: and then you've got no problem. As far as I'm considered, good.
• 22:00
  Speaker 4: Part about this, and I'm actually being serious now, the
• 22:03
  Speaker 4: good part about this action plan the way forward with
• 22:06
  Speaker 4: plastics is that they are addressing the issue of microplastics.
• 22:11
  Speaker 4: We were talking about this last week where scientists found
• 22:13
  Speaker 4: more microplastics in people's brain tissue. Apparently it absorbs more
• 22:18
  Speaker 4: in the brain than anywhere else in the body, and
• 22:21
  Speaker 4: they're getting quite concerned about it. They said this should
• 22:24
  Speaker 4: be an international emergency, and nobody's even talking about it. Well,
• 22:28
  Speaker 4: New South Wales Plastics Actions Plan is and I quote
• 22:32
  Speaker 4: this strategy, which is open for consultation until November, also
• 22:36
  Speaker 4: proposes to phase out plastic microbeads from cleaning products. That's right,
• 22:40
  Speaker 4: we keep putting them all over our houses, inhaling them,
• 22:45
  Speaker 4: cleaning our plates, with them, eating off them. They're looking
• 22:50
  Speaker 4: to phase them out by twenty twenty five and to
• 22:53
  Speaker 4: publish a list of chemicals to be phased out of
• 22:55
  Speaker 4: food packaging, which of course the food then.
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: Absorbs by the end of twenty twenty seven.
• 23:01
  Speaker 4: So that much I was like, yes, let's talk about
• 23:04
  Speaker 4: those plastics. Not really concerned about the others, but the
• 23:07
  Speaker 4: ones that people are unconsciously consuming. Most people aren't even
• 23:11
  Speaker 4: aware of microplastics at all, and it is affecting their
• 23:15
  Speaker 4: health in ways that we don't even know yet because
• 23:18
  Speaker 4: we're not far enough down the microplastics rabbit hole.
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: And that's fair enough, that's a health issue as opposed
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: to an en mental one. But my biggest problem with
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: all of these policies is that it's like it's the
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: height of Western concern for the environment, whereby we say, well,
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: you know, if we eliminate the plastic straws, and we
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: eliminate the plastic cutlery in the coffee cups. We've saved
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: the planet. We here in the West, we have single
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: handedly saved the planet. Now the effect, of course that
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: has is that everyone runs around thinking, well, there's no
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: problem if the planet is completely saved because we got
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: rid of the plastic straws. No, and the rest of
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: the world is I talk about littering. I mean you
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: look at some developing nations where they have no concern
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: for what they spew out into the atmosphe which was
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: mostly our coal. Anyway, we can't burn it, but we
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: let other people burn it and staff just being put
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: into water ways and all over the shop. That is
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: the real damage that is being done to the planet.
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: So we can eliminate every single plastic straw in Australia
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: and it will do nothing for the planet. But we
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: feel warm and fuzzy, and that's the most important.
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean the insanity of it. And my favorite
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: one that you listed was the plastic bread tags. So
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: you ban those, right, but the whole loaf is wrapped
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: in plastic.
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: It's ridiculous.
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: And as for the wooden sticks for your lollipop, can
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: you just imagine you're chopping down trees left, right and centrance.
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: See why are you destroying the forest. Well, that's what
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: we've done with the wooden cutlery instead of plastic.
• 24:42
  Speaker 4: Now, that's what we've done with the paper straws. What
• 24:44
  Speaker 4: do you think they're made out of instead of the
• 24:46
  Speaker 4: plastic straws. So how this is environmentally friendly is a
• 24:51
  Speaker 4: rather large question mark.
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: Same with all the single use.
• 24:54
  Speaker 4: Plastic bags that used to be in the supermarkets, and
• 24:57
  Speaker 4: now everyone's got covered full these thick cardboard like bags
• 25:03
  Speaker 4: that still managed to rip somehow whenever you buy anything
• 25:06
  Speaker 4: remotely heavy, which means.
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: That you've got to go back, you've got to buy more.
• 25:10
  Speaker 4: And the Coles Woolies and the lights are laughing all
• 25:14
  Speaker 4: the way to the bank because you've got to pay
• 25:16
  Speaker 4: twenty five cents apart.
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: So with the western world going mad, we've decided we're
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: all moving to Hungary because at least in Hungary they've
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: got some brains, especially and not least on asylum seekers.
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: They're refusing to pay a massive fine handed out by
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: the European Union because they won't accept asylum seekers. During
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: the period twenty fourteen to about twenty twenty, millions of
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: asylum seekers came into Europe, and of course Germany in
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: particular took so many it's completely changed the dynamic in
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: the country. But Hungary said, no, we are not accepting
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: asylum seekers and if they come, we'll put them into
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: detention camps until they leave. Well, for not accepting these
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: asylum seekers, the European Union imposed a fine of two
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: hundred million euros to give you an example, that's about
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: three hundred and thirty two million Australian dollars, and Hungry
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: just said, well, we're not paying. So the EU have
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: given them one more deadline to pay. I think September
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: seventeen is the deadline, by which time if they don't
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: pay this fine, then that amount of money will be
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: deducted from what they received from the EU budget.
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: So that's what's happening.
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: But Hungary are not impressed and they are unmoved. The
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: government State secretary today said that if Brussels are so
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: intent on having illegal migrants, then they can have all
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: of ours have a listen.
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: The Hungarian government's anti immigrant rhetoric was furthered when a
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: senior officials said Budapest would buzz illegal migrants to Brussels.
• 26:45
  Speaker 6: Pro Pounio brus or aquario kag word you angeried yugbh
• 26:53
  Speaker 6: akiktun akikaatic di Mirio Coltos startung A, Mario fell Indianhan Edukat.
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: Now, of course calib that's a brilliant idea. But if
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: they do bust all these illegal migrants to Brussels, then
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: they'll get another EU fine for breaching their carbon emissions limits.
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: But the leaders of Hungary have said this asylum seeker
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: issue is an existential threat to national sovereignty and to
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: social cohesion, and they are having no part of the
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: EU's fetish for taking everyone from everywhere and allowing them
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: to join their country.
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: They should be given carbon credits for putting them on
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: buses instead of planes, to be perfectly honest, But they
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: are so right, and they're the only country just about
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: in Europe that he's standing up against this nonsense. And
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: it's hard to be a lone voice in the wilderness.
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: But they're saying, look around Europe, and you only have
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: to look around Europe. Look at the EU elections just
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: a couple of months ago and the response, the overwhelming
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: response of Europeans to the mass migration that they have
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: seen in their countries. They don't like it. They're standing
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: up against it because they've seen what it's done in
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: terms of change of culture, they've seen what it's done
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: in terms of the allocation of budgets, they've seen what
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: it's done in terms of housing. And some of these
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: things sound very familiar here in Australia, and not on
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: the basis of illegal migration here, all on the basis
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: of quite legal migration. Mostly Hungary is the only country
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: just about that is saying no, we are not on
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: board with this, and for that they cop a two
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: hundred million euro fine. Is it any wonder that the
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: UK pulled out of the European Union? Is it any
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: wonder that brex had got up because they saw this
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: stuff coming? And this is the problem with big governmental
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: organizations like the EU, because you know, if you've got
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: all these different little countries with their different little agendas,
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: how are they ever going to come together and adhere
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: to one policy.
• 29:04
  Speaker 5: It ain't going to work.
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: And it's in situations like this where they try to
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: impose clearly damaging policy across the entire continent. Someone has
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: to say no, But then they're the lepper for doing.
• 29:15
  Speaker 4: So what kind of policy is this that you are
• 29:18
  Speaker 4: forcing European Union members to just take your legals and
• 29:24
  Speaker 4: if you don't, we'll find you extortionately, Like, what kind
• 29:29
  Speaker 4: of union is this, what kind of parliament is this?
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: What kind of laws are you creating?
• 29:35
  Speaker 4: You are literally changing the face of Europe forever, which
• 29:38
  Speaker 4: has already happened. Those indigenous to these countries are.
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: Completely up in arms about it.
• 29:44
  Speaker 4: You're quite right to raise the European Union election that
• 29:47
  Speaker 4: happened recently, very comprehensive results centered around the fact the
• 29:53
  Speaker 4: Europeans themselves are sick to death of seeing their countries change.
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: And I'm not surprised it's.
• 29:59
  Speaker 4: Hungary who taken action in this and said we are
• 30:02
  Speaker 4: just simply not complying. These guys are very very strong
• 30:06
  Speaker 4: about national identity. They've got some of the best measures
• 30:09
  Speaker 4: in the world encouraging Hungarian women to have as many
• 30:14
  Speaker 4: babies as possible, like they want to keep Hungary Hungarian period,
• 30:20
  Speaker 4: and their own parliament takes very serious measures to ensure
• 30:24
  Speaker 4: that can happen. So how dare the EU come along
• 30:27
  Speaker 4: and just say no, you too will be flooded with illegals,
• 30:31
  Speaker 4: Whether you like it or not.
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: I wish we saw more of this in Europe, because the.
• 30:36
  Speaker 4: People of any number of these European countries would back
• 30:40
  Speaker 4: their own government if their government was to put their
• 30:43
  Speaker 4: foot down.
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: It's a shame we're just not seeing more of this.
• 30:46
  Speaker 4: Hopefully they'll all grow some gonads watching Hungary stare stand
• 30:50
  Speaker 4: its ground and say well, why aren't you Why aren't
• 30:54
  Speaker 4: my government doing this as well?
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: And that's a great point. Citizens love it because you
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: elect people to represent you. But instead we always hear
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: this fluff about well as good members of the international community,
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: and such a community doesn't exist anyway. There's no such
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: thing as an international community. But to see a government
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: say we are representing these people were interests of the
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: World Economic Forum or the EU or somebody else. And
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: remember during the Voice campaign, we were all warned if
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: we didn't vote yes to the Voice, that Australia would
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: be an international pariah and internationally we would be shunned.
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: And so we did vote no to the Voice, and
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: nothing happened. They constantly use this fear mumbering if we
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: don't do what they want, then the international community will
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: be uprated. The Hungarian politicians have just said we don't
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: believe that, and we're not intimidated and we'll do what
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: we want.
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: Good on them.
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: It's a novel idea, is that a government representing their
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: own people. How strange we haven't seen that.
• 31:53
  Speaker 5: For a little while.
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: Our bit of breaking news tonight the Prime Minister Anthony
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: Alberizi has announced that there will be a national ban
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: on children using social media. We haven't been told yet
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: what the age restriction will be, but he will tomorrow
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: announce that there will be a national restriction on children
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: using social media. And of course this comes after the
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: concept being bandied about for a while and the States
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: getting on board over the weekend. It started with South
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: Australia Premier Peter Malanowskis yesterday announced that there would be
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: South Australian restrictions from the age of fourteen.
• 32:28
  Speaker 5: Take a listen. The law is more than.
• 32:31
  Speaker 7: Just a punitive measure on social media companies. It is
• 32:34
  Speaker 7: also an enabler for parents, teachers, other leaders, mentors out
• 32:40
  Speaker 7: the community to get kids be able to engage with
• 32:43
  Speaker 7: them in more healthy means. We see kids being done harm.
• 32:48
  Speaker 7: We know that's true from a growing body of international,
• 32:52
  Speaker 7: peer reviewed research. So it's time for governments to act,
• 32:55
  Speaker 7: and I don't think any leader around the country should
• 32:59
  Speaker 7: sit on their hand in this matter.
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: Then the Victorian government jumped on board. Today Premier j
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: Cintra Allen announced a very similar policy.
• 33:08
  Speaker 4: So it's time to give parents the power to push back,
• 33:11
  Speaker 4: not against kids, but against the tech giants.
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: That's why we're going to put age limits on social media.
• 33:17
  Speaker 4: These rules won't target parents or kids, but they'll target
• 33:20
  Speaker 4: the tech giants because they're the ones we need to
• 33:23
  Speaker 4: hold to account.
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: That announcement, by the way of putting an age limit
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: on social media, made on social media on Jacinthra Allen's
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: Instagram package and a little bit ironic, isn't it. Now.
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: This proposal, as we know, has been backed for some
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: time by the opposition. The Shadow Spokesman for Communications David Coleman,
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: supported the idea today again.
• 33:46
  Speaker 8: Because what we're seeing with the mental health of Australian children,
• 33:49
  Speaker 8: especially girls, is a crisis. It is completely unacceptable and
• 33:55
  Speaker 8: in action is not an option.
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: Now. Look, I think we're all sympathetic to the idea
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: that children should not be on social media.
• 34:03
  Speaker 5: We know the damage that.
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: Social media does to children and more broadly, the damage
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: that ready access to the internet is doing to children.
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: We see it in the mental health statistics. We see
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: it in the loneliness statistics that have shot through the
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: roof in the last decade or so as this has proliferated.
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: The only problem is we don't yet know what age
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: the Prime Minister is going to set this at. And
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: it's probably better as a national policy as opposed to
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: a state by state one. I just couldn't work out
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: how that was possibly going to be workable. Where WA
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: might say fifteen, and Essay says fourteen, a Victoria says thirteen,
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: and on and on it would go. But there is
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: no way to actually implement monitor do any of this
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: without having a system whereby to track the age of
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: the people who are using social media and the ages
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: we're talking about here fourteen, thirteen, et cetera. Kids don't
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: have driver's licenses or.
• 34:57
  Speaker 5: Anything like that.
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: About the only form of identity they have is their
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: birth certificate. So is it now going to be a
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: system whereby I have to hand my birth certificate over
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: to Facebook in order to get a Facebook account. I
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: think a lot of people are sympathetic to the idea.
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: I still don't know how it's going to be working.
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: I have said all along.
• 35:15
  Speaker 4: It is not a coincidence that all of a sudden,
• 35:19
  Speaker 4: this issue that has been an issue for years, youth,
• 35:22
  Speaker 4: young people and social media very bad combo, whether it's
• 35:26
  Speaker 4: body image, the number of eating disorders.
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: They've seen those increase over two hundred percent over.
• 35:32
  Speaker 4: The last few years, which is why Coleman made a
• 35:35
  Speaker 4: direct reference to it being particularly bad for young girls,
• 35:39
  Speaker 4: which you just heard him say, just that.
• 35:41
  Speaker 3: It is not a coincidence that just weeks.
• 35:44
  Speaker 4: After this government passed a digital ID bill, all of
• 35:49
  Speaker 4: a sudden this issue became bigger than Ben heard.
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: Now.
• 35:53
  Speaker 4: I'm not saying that's how it will start out. They
• 35:56
  Speaker 4: might start out using other measures, but just wait for
• 35:59
  Speaker 4: a few months to pass before the government starts crying
• 36:03
  Speaker 4: these measures aren't working. We're going to have to implement
• 36:05
  Speaker 4: the digital ID because there's no other way to stop
• 36:09
  Speaker 4: you from.
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: Getting on here underage or not.
• 36:13
  Speaker 4: I'm telling you this is exactly what this is about,
• 36:17
  Speaker 4: in my humble opinion.
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: And that's all it's about.
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: I don't disagree with you, but if there is a
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: way that and tech giants have to agree to this too,
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: that's the other funny thing about.
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: This, although we thok you by the government, Well we'll
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: see how they go.
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: They're not doing a very good job forcing X or
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: Facebook to do anything at the moment.
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: Well that's free speech.
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: But if they can come up with a way to
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: correctly identify the age of a person.
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: As Caleb just said, they really can't.
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: What a credit card, driver's license?
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: Could you not use those for a kid? For a
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: fourteen year old?
• 36:48
  Speaker 4: Will even an eighteen year old doesn't necessarily have a
• 36:50
  Speaker 4: credit card?
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: All right, you're right, they're never going to be able
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: to do that, but this is the possible way. They've
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: got to be able to do that. And take your
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: point way it will lead to something else. But there
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: is an issue with social media with kids, and they
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: should try to find a way to keep kids off.
• 37:06
  Speaker 9: Sure, parenting, parenting, Yeah, I agree with you on that,
• 37:11
  Speaker 9: but it's incredibly the pressure that parents are under with
• 37:15
  Speaker 9: kids to get on social media is more than you
• 37:18
  Speaker 9: could imagine.
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: I understand that, I understand, but isn't there And I
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: say this is someone who is not a parent, But
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: I know parents who have enforced you know, no device
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: policies upon their kids and they get so much pushback.
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: But as a parent, they've gone no, I'm drawing the
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: line in the sandy.
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: We've got laws that a pub is responsible not to
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: allow people under age in sure, so, but you could
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: say no, that's a parent's job to make sure a
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: kid doesn't go into a pub. But there's an example
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: of where you've got parents and government working together for
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: the well being of children. This is just another example
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: of that. So I don't buy the argument that it's
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: the parent's job and there's no place for government at
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: all in something that is causing as much harm as
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: you outline in your introduction.
• 38:01
  Speaker 3: But you can monitor the thing that's happening at home.
• 38:03
  Speaker 4: This is something that kids are in bed on their
• 38:06
  Speaker 4: devices that their parents what happens.
• 38:08
  Speaker 3: All over the place.
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: Kids don't just access social media or the internet at home.
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: They can access it literally anywhere. That's the problem.
• 38:15
  Speaker 4: The problem is not when they've got access to a
• 38:17
  Speaker 4: computer at school.
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: No, that is not.
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: The kids are on all sorts of things. Kids aren't
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: just on Wikipedia.
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: That awesome, and that falls on the school.
• 38:30
  Speaker 4: Like school computers should not be able to even give
• 38:33
  Speaker 4: you access to social media. That's not what school computers
• 38:37
  Speaker 4: are for. You shouldn't be able to watch porn on
• 38:39
  Speaker 4: a school computer or a tablet that you've been given
• 38:42
  Speaker 4: by your high school which you're able to take home.
• 38:45
  Speaker 4: There should be very severe restrictions on those. Otherwise, schools
• 38:49
  Speaker 4: shouldn't be handing them out.
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I do disagree with you.
• 38:52
  Speaker 5: I do think parents needs a happening.
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: We're going to go to a break. When we come back,
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: we look at what's making news in the papers, including
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: attempts to declare every creek in a new Southweales Shire
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: as an indigenous sacred site.
• 39:04
  Speaker 5: That's coming up soon.
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: Welcome back to the late debate. We're going to look
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: at what's making news in tomorrow's papers. The reason I'm
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: laughing is because you should hear what these two say
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: during the ad break. But now we're back on air, Liz,
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: what have we got in the papers tomorrow?
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: To the front page of the Camera Times. Now. New
• 39:23
  Speaker 3: veteran agency.
• 39:24
  Speaker 4: The federal government should establish a new agency to focus
• 39:28
  Speaker 4: on veteran well being in a way the Department of
• 39:31
  Speaker 4: Veteran Affairs has failed to do.
• 39:33
  Speaker 3: Sweeping Royal Commission report into.
• 39:35
  Speaker 4: Defense and Veteran suicides has found it is not the
• 39:39
  Speaker 4: only agency recommended in the three thousand page report, with
• 39:43
  Speaker 4: the Royal Commission urging an independent oversight body be established
• 39:47
  Speaker 4: to drive reforms after the failure of successive governments to
• 39:50
  Speaker 4: act on a culture which has led to an average
• 39:53
  Speaker 4: of three deaths by suicide each fortnight. So this Commission,
• 39:59
  Speaker 4: you may remember, was a established in July twenty twenty one.
• 40:02
  Speaker 4: They've finally handed over their findings three thousand pages long.
• 40:07
  Speaker 4: You just it's one of those stories that you can't
• 40:10
  Speaker 4: believe it's taken us this long to address.
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: And it's much like when we had the Royal Commission
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: into aged care, and it's one of those things that
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: sort of if it's out of sight, it's out of
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: mind for a lot of people. But these are people
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: who are extremely vulnerable, who have served their country, who have,
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: if they've been in war, seen some of the most
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: awful things that anyone could ever see, and then they
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: come back to Australia and oftentimes they're just sort of
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: thrown into the wilderness and told, well, you're not really
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: attached to us anymore.
• 40:40
  Speaker 5: You've got to go and fend for yourself.
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: How hard must it, Well, we know how hard it
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: must be, because we know that the suicide statistics. How
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: hard must it be to go and do that without
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: any support. The fact that that success your federal governments,
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: you know, for time immemorial basically have ignored this issue
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: as they did with aged care, is an absolute discs.
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: It's good that we have a Royal Commission and we
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: have a report. The next task is to implement what
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: comes out of this report, this Oversight Body being one
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: of the many recommendations that has come out. That's where
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: the rubber hits the road, and that's when we find
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: out whether the government actually cares about this.
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: According to one of the media reports tomorrow, the number
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: of suicides of ADF members or former members is twenty
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: times higher than the number of soldiers killed in active
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: duty over the last twenty five years. So the defense
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: bureaucracy is a greater threat to Australian soldiers than the enemy.
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: And it's quicker to join the NDIS and get help
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: than to get help from veterans affairs. So we have
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: to do a lot better with our soldiers.
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: Indeed, let's go to the Australians Varro where there's a
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: curious little story. It says every creek.
• 41:50
  Speaker 5: Is an indigenous site.
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: Oh no, we're not going to have any.
• 41:53
  Speaker 5: Water lifts soon.
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: The historian who helped convince Tenure Pibcic that Regis resources
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: one billion dollar gold Blainey would destroy indigenous heritage had
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: earlier tried to register every river, creek, lake and swamp
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: in the shire as an Aboriginal site. And this is
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: the woman whose word, Tanya Plibasek, took over the local
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: indigenous people, over the EPA of New South Wales, over
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: the premiere of New South Wales, over her own indigenous
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: advisors within her department. Now, clearly this woman was pattern
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: is just desperate to get her hands on absolutely seeing
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: anything she can. She's just trying to create trouble and
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: wreak havoc, clearly. But can you imagine if that's the
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: sort of person that the Environment Minister is taking advice from.
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: Imagine if we applied that across the nation. Every waterway
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: in the country is now some sort of sacred Indigenous site. Because,
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: of course, every waterway in the country I'm sure at
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: some point had an Indigenous person drinking from it, or
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: fishing from it, or using it it in some way.
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: Surely you could say that about every bit of land.
• 43:03
  Speaker 5: In the country.
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: See, why don't we just declare the whole joint an
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: indigenous heritage site.
• 43:08
  Speaker 5: Let's blow the joint up, move somewhere.
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: Well, it actually goes further than that, because it's not
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: just about you know, surely every lake was used by
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: an indigenous person way back when. But indigenous spirituality says
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: that all of creation is alive and it's all spiritual.
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: And therefore, when you get that kind of religion that
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: Goid's government decisions, all development finishes because you can't touch
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: anything without upsetting the ancestors, the spirits, et cetera. So
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: if you're going to embrace indigenous spirituality as a way
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: of deciding policy, you really are completely changing the entire
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: country and everything we've been able to do to this
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: point in terms of development, progression and so on.
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: Indeed, that's the end of development.
• 43:52
  Speaker 4: She does say in this application to have them all
• 43:56
  Speaker 4: recognized as sacred. Quote all waterways in the Nomina are
• 44:00
  Speaker 4: known to have deep spiritual significance end quote.
• 44:04
  Speaker 3: But if that's the bar, then, like you.
• 44:06
  Speaker 4: Say, everything spiritual, everything has spiritual significance.
• 44:10
  Speaker 3: So you can't touch anything period, or you.
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: Could just take the water and turn it into spirits
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: and then it has some spiritual significance and I'd be
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: more on board with that.
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: Let's go to the front page of the Courier mail.
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: There's an interesting little story right on the bottom left
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: hand corner of the front page. Principal Spooking Labor, a
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: school principle married to a former labor minister, used her
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: government email to promote an exciting election commitment by Stephen Miles. Now,
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: obviously governments make commitments to schools, but this principle last
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: week sent out an email to staff saying I'm thrilled
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: to share some exciting news. The Minister for Education has
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: announced that if we elected, our school is set to
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: receive a state of the art prep precinct, including multipurpose
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: rooms and a security fence. This is a significant investment,
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. Now, clearly that email
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: then starts to seem like an advertisement for voting Steven
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: Miles into government in October, which is a big no
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: no if you're working in schools. But then to add
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: to that, it turns out this principal's husband was a
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: minister in the Anna Bly government back in twenty ten,
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: twenty eleven and twenty twelve, So not really the dune thing,
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: and she's being pulled up by the Education Department.
• 45:32
  Speaker 3: Someone needs to tell that principle. Ain't nothing going to
• 45:35
  Speaker 3: save giggles.
• 45:35
  Speaker 4: Now to the front page of the Northern Territory News,
• 45:38
  Speaker 4: just before we leave for an ad break. NRL and
• 45:42
  Speaker 4: TE officials condemn violent grand final clash, shame.
• 45:46
  Speaker 3: On the game.
• 45:47
  Speaker 4: The splash reads a shocking on field brawl which marred
• 45:51
  Speaker 4: a Northern Territory Women's Rugby League Grand Final provoked further
• 45:55
  Speaker 4: post match fights among spectators, forcing police to deploy tab
• 46:00
  Speaker 4: sicken spray on fans.
• 46:02
  Speaker 3: I mean this got wild.
• 46:05
  Speaker 4: Check Out that picture on the front page. Looks like
• 46:08
  Speaker 4: a lot of hair pulling is happening. Honestly, I think
• 46:11
  Speaker 4: this is probably the most interesting women's.
• 46:13
  Speaker 3: Rugby has ever gone. I would have tuned in had
• 46:15
  Speaker 3: I known, I know, be in such an extravagance.
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: The means footy codes lost the biff long ago. I
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: got to start watching the women's staff to go back
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: the old days.
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: We always told we've got to get women involved because
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: it'd be kinder, softly gentler.
• 46:27
  Speaker 3: Nah, clearly not, clearly not We're going to go to
• 46:30
  Speaker 3: a break.
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: When Joe Biden left office, so he's still in office,
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: but you know, was not continuing. We thought, who are
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: we going to get laughs from now? But Kamala Harris,
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: he's providing plenty. We've got more of those after the break.
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: All right, welcome back with the Kamala Harris show. Rolls
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: on Caleb. What's she doing these days?
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: Well, you thought they were working hard over time to
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: pump up Joe Biden. You should see what they're doing
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: with Kamala Harris. Associated Press in the United States put
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: out a bizarre piece about her food habits and had
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: such subheadings as caramel is a favorite, beautiful music, collared
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: greens in the tub, golden arches, of course, Manny McDonald's,
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: and Dorito's is a go to snack. All the things
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: I wanted to know about the potential president of the
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: United States. And to quote this puff piece from AP,
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: this is her on the campaign trail in Savannah. At
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: Dotty's Market. She says, I want a slice of that.
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: Caramel is like my favorite? Harris says, oh, chocolate and caramel.
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: She added, after appearing to digest the description, the cake
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: was covered in a white frosting with caramel on top
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: and drizzling down the sides. Fantastic. Harrah said, well, there
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: you go. I'm convinced you should be president.
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: Well, as if that's not bad enough, she made a
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: speech about coffee cups recently that made no sense whatsoever
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: until someone put it in the closing credits of Seinfeld
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: and suddenly it was perfect.
• 47:53
  Speaker 10: So you know how those leads all right, because this
• 47:56
  Speaker 10: is what I'm just not speaking, Okay, So this is
• 47:58
  Speaker 10: so you know how those it's on the Starbucks cups.
• 48:01
  Speaker 10: They're white, right, and so if you were a lipstick,
• 48:05
  Speaker 10: they get all over the lid. And so then I
• 48:07
  Speaker 10: find myself in meetings if I'm the only woman, and
• 48:10
  Speaker 10: that's kind of it. So I keep taking the lid
• 48:12
  Speaker 10: off and having my cup out so that I don't
• 48:14
  Speaker 10: have that big good stick. So I said, can we
• 48:18
  Speaker 10: do something about the color of the lid.
• 48:23
  Speaker 4: And then there's the viral clip of her on the
• 48:25
  Speaker 4: campaign trial on Saturday in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, comforting a distraught woman.
• 48:32
  Speaker 3: Oh, it's gonna be good. We're gonna be good. We're
• 48:36
  Speaker 3: gonna be fine. We're gonna be fine. We are all
• 48:39
  Speaker 3: in this together. We are. We're gonna be Yes, we are, Yes,
• 48:43
  Speaker 3: we are. It's all good.
• 48:47
  Speaker 5: It's all good news, standing strong, right, you love her absolutely?
• 48:52
  Speaker 10: Yeah, that's right. Who says this is a relative and you're.
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: Just a.
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: World's going to be all right. We're just going to
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: hug it out with Kamala and everything will be good.
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: That's it from us stick around. Coming up is the
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: reader Pennahy Show in just a moment,