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Stop Chasing Paychecks Your Purpose Isn't There From Life Coach Norman Calvo · Arroe Collins Like It's Live

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Speaker 1: your exploration the path that you're on right now. I
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Speaker 1: think it's one of the most exploratory adventures. I was
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Speaker 1: gonna say surgery, but yeah, but then again, I'm na
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Speaker 1: still go with that because you give people the opportunity
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Speaker 1: to dig into their own personal lives and find out
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Speaker 1: those areas where they can expand.
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Speaker 2: Yes, exactly, exactly, yeah, And it becomes very, very fascinating
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Speaker 2: because everybody has a story to tell, and most everybody
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Speaker 2: has problems along those stories, and that's what's interesting to
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Speaker 2: kind of discover what is the problem or problems and
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Speaker 2: kind of help them figure it out as well.
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Speaker 3: So it's all very very interesting.
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Speaker 1: How do people find the time to figure it out?
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Speaker 1: Because you know how we are, We're that generation that
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Speaker 1: likes to set things aside.
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Speaker 2: I know, I know, well a lot of people, especially
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Speaker 2: the ones that I'm speaking to, are already in their sixties,
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Speaker 2: maybe even late six and early seventies, and so many
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Speaker 2: of them are either semi retired or retired. And what
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Speaker 2: happens is that they oftentimes have a lot of time.
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Speaker 2: I interviewed like six and thirty nine people, most of
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Speaker 2: them my colleagues in the mortgage industry or title or
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Speaker 2: insurance and things like that.
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Speaker 3: And they're pretty much done with work. And because of that,
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Speaker 3: they all returned to Paul.
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Speaker 2: They all spent like an hour on the phone with me,
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Speaker 2: and some of them became my client.
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Speaker 3: So it's been a very very positive seria.
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Speaker 1: I totally get the journey of you know, quitting the
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Speaker 1: job or walking away from the job. But that thin
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Speaker 1: one thing that I have learned, my wife and I have,
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Speaker 1: is that you can't put away your human need to
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Speaker 1: be with other people. And what did you find out
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Speaker 1: that in that little research project.
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Speaker 2: Well that's the interesting thing, era because a lot of
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Speaker 2: them ever since COVID. A lot of them have lost
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Speaker 2: their not relationships so much, but they've lost their connections
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Speaker 2: with so many people. The biggest thing that I've encountered
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Speaker 2: with these people in their sixties is that because they
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Speaker 2: were not involved seriously with work anymore or going to
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Speaker 2: the office, and because they didn't have that many relationships
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Speaker 2: of friendships to begin with, They've spent thirty to forty.
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Speaker 3: Years just in business.
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Speaker 2: What happened is that COVID broke everything down, and they
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Speaker 2: didn't know how to re establish relationships.
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Speaker 3: And I didn't know where to go or what to
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Speaker 3: do anymore.
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Speaker 2: And that's why I'm helping some of them to help
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Speaker 2: them become a little bit more social. Not that they're
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Speaker 2: not SOCIALID. I'm not talking about people who are neurotic
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Speaker 2: or have serious serious problems.
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Speaker 3: But they all need, you know, some sort of help.
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Speaker 2: A lot of them discovered that what they really need
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Speaker 2: was a group therapy sessions so that they could reconnect
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Speaker 2: with people their own age.
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Speaker 1: That is so funny you say that, because there was
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Speaker 1: a big article on CNN yesterday that talked about they're
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Speaker 1: calling it man camp, and all of these men are
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Speaker 1: coming together because they believe that men need to go
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Speaker 1: where other men are and it's a camping situation such
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Speaker 1: as what we when we send our kids out there
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Speaker 1: to camp for the summer.
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Speaker 2: Yep, that's exactly correct. And you know what's interesting. I
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Speaker 2: mean the group of people that i'm speaking to buy
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Speaker 2: and large, they're all, I'm going to say this a
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Speaker 2: very i don't know, non non derogatory fashion and non
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Speaker 2: you know, judgmental fashions. But the ones that do talk
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Speaker 2: about that are actually afraid or intimidated about going to
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Speaker 2: something like that because they.
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Speaker 3: Feel that it's too unfortunately too gay. Okay, quote unquote,
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Speaker 3: you know.
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Speaker 2: And so so what I'm trying to establish and nothing
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Speaker 2: wrocking with that.
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Speaker 3: Okay, fine, that's how they feel.
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Speaker 2: But what I'm trying to establishing people that don't have
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Speaker 2: that as a problem because everybody else would be normally,
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Speaker 2: you know, people that they've been accustomed to all their lives.
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Speaker 3: They're not in that field.
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Speaker 2: They not in that you know, kind of set of circumstances,
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Speaker 2: and they'll feel much more comfortable with that. So I'm
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Speaker 2: in the process of setting that up now, the groups
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Speaker 2: their concession with I want to have at least five
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Speaker 2: to six people in the group, and a lot of
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Speaker 2: them are very very much interested in it.
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Speaker 1: One of the things that you speak of and what
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Speaker 1: we're learning more about, and I wish more people would
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Speaker 1: so that we can have conversations about it is unconventional life.
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Speaker 1: I mean that that is a serious thing right now,
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Speaker 1: and people, once again, we just kind of just put
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Speaker 1: it on our shoulder and rub it off. And it's
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Speaker 1: something that we need to pay attention to.
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Speaker 3: Oh, absolutely, because you know what's happened.
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Speaker 2: After we get off the phone call, I'm going to
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Speaker 2: send over to a link to a sub stack article
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Speaker 2: that I just published this morning which seals specifically about
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Speaker 2: that era, because yeah, specifically about it, because what happens
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Speaker 2: is that a lot of people think that their lives
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Speaker 2: are boring, that they didn't really do much in their
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Speaker 2: lives that you know, Okay, they raised three kids or
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Speaker 2: two kids, and they went on vacationally, they did this,
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Speaker 2: they established businesses.
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Speaker 3: And yet they think that they're kind of like.
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Speaker 2: Nobody's or nothing's now. And I even felt that way.
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Speaker 2: I mean, part of the fact of me becoming a
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Speaker 2: coach is that we had to get coached as part.
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Speaker 3: Of the whole process.
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Speaker 2: So a few weeks ago, I was speaking to my
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Speaker 2: own folks and I said to her, I said, Andrea,
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Speaker 2: I'm an impostor. And the reason why I say the
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Speaker 2: era is because I've interviewed quite a few people that
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Speaker 2: have the most amazing lives. I mean, one fellow got
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Speaker 2: became paraplegic when he was twenty, yet he went on
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Speaker 2: to become an assistant attorney in Long Island, getting married
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Speaker 2: when he was fifty three, and having a set of
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Speaker 2: triplets when he was fifty five, and testifying with Senator Kennedy,
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Speaker 2: you know, back before there was any sort of these
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Speaker 2: disability programs available.
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Speaker 3: And so something like him.
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Speaker 2: A woman who was on the Arctic Circle in Greenland
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Speaker 2: on a trek, a nine day trick, all alone, and
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Speaker 2: all of a sudden a summer storm hit and was
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Speaker 2: a massive storm. Fortunately she was able to get to
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Speaker 2: the survival hut alone two days, surviving the storm, all alone.
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Speaker 3: And yet what's my life? Okay, I get to go
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Speaker 3: see the Backstreet Boys next month. So I.
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Speaker 2: Told life, oh my god, this, and Andrea, I'm an
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Speaker 2: imposter when I compare myself to these people.
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Speaker 3: That's what it's like.
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Speaker 2: And see, that's the problem with all this social media
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Speaker 2: stuff when you see all these wonderful snippets about everybody
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Speaker 2: else's life. There travels in news Land, or the special
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Speaker 2: vacation here, or they got an Olympic metal or whatever the.
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Speaker 3: Case may be. Yeah, but that's only a teeny tiny
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Speaker 3: portion of their entire life.
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Speaker 2: And that's what I want to help all these men
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Speaker 2: to discover that their lives are just about as exciting
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Speaker 2: as everybody else's.
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Speaker 3: The only thing is they're just a little bit different.
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Speaker 1: Do you think that's because though that I know that
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Speaker 1: as I turned sixty four next week. The one thing
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Speaker 1: that I've learned about it is that as you try
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Speaker 1: to share a story that people can relate with, they'll
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Speaker 1: sit there and say, what haven't you done in life?
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Speaker 1: And that belittles you or somebody that says, oh, that's right,
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Speaker 1: you do a radio thing, man, that will offend me
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Speaker 1: in a heartbeat. You invest your whole entire self into
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Speaker 1: this project, and people don't see it in the modern way.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, they don't see it at all because they
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Speaker 2: they don't feel that they can do it themselves.
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Speaker 3: So they're kind of belittling you a little bit. They're
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Speaker 3: kind of jealous.
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Speaker 2: And yet they don't have the courage yet to go
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Speaker 2: out and do something that's really really important to them. Meaning,
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Speaker 2: not everybody's going to have a radio show, not everybody's
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Speaker 2: going to have a podcast, and not everybody is going
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Speaker 2: to you know, I do.
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Speaker 3: Tabaret shows now here in Manhattan, right. Not everybody's going
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Speaker 3: to go It's not everybody's going to go sing in
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Speaker 3: front of a group of people. But what is it
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Speaker 3: that you really love to do?
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Speaker 2: And how can you you know, you know, actualize that.
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Speaker 2: What is it that you need to do to become
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Speaker 2: the person you want to become? And that's the te
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Speaker 2: in life to really become who you really want to become.
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Speaker 2: And a lot of people don't know that at all.
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Speaker 2: They just don't even think of that anymore because they
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Speaker 2: used to think of it. Remember when we were kids,
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Speaker 2: when we were ten twelve, searching forty I'm going to
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Speaker 2: become a football start, I'm going to do this.
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Speaker 3: I'm going to be the president of the United States.
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Speaker 2: I told my father that he thought it was nuts,
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Speaker 2: but it really did crazy.
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Speaker 4: But people are not remembering what it is that they
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Speaker 4: love to do or what they were interested in when
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Speaker 4: they were and they don't know how to actualize it now.
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Speaker 3: Or they're afraid you, or they're afraid of judgment.
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Speaker 2: What is my wife gonna say if I really want
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Speaker 2: to go and take an art class or a painting class, yes, yes.
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Speaker 3: You know what is she going to say? And you
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Speaker 3: know I'm going to do it alone. I'm not going
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Speaker 3: to do it with her. What's my wife going to
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Speaker 3: say if I want to take.
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Speaker 2: A one month sabbatical now from work and travel around
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Speaker 2: Europe all by myself.
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Speaker 3: He's doing Oh to do it? Do, got to do it?
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Speaker 3: You just got to do it.
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Speaker 1: I was I was with a ninety nine year old
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Speaker 1: man last week and I said, how is it that
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Speaker 1: you look like that, you are still in your thirties
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Speaker 1: and forties with your energy? And he says, you know
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Speaker 1: what the secret is about when you get this old,
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Speaker 1: have something to do, have something to do. And I
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Speaker 1: know I looked at him and I'm going, oh my god,
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Speaker 1: that could be one of the life changing moments that
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Speaker 1: I needed to hear that.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely, you've got to keep active. I mean, I'm busier now.
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Speaker 2: I'm seventy two already, but I'm busier now than I've
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Speaker 2: ever been.
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Speaker 1: I'm not shocked I'm not shocked. No, it's that because
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Speaker 1: that's our generation, Norman. That's exactly what our parents, you know,
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Speaker 1: instilled in every one of us. We don't stop. Just
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Speaker 1: keep enjoying your life. And you know what the dues
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Speaker 1: you're gonna have to pay in order to get what
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Speaker 1: you want to achieve.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly my kids. I'll tell you er my kids
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Speaker 2: are dead. Don't you want to relax? I said, relax me.
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Speaker 2: My son in law thinks I'm absolutely nuts. Can't you
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Speaker 2: shit still? You know that's why are you doing a handstand?
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Speaker 2: What's the purpose of that? Oh, it's just a challenge.
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Speaker 2: I want to challenge. I want to grow new neural networks.
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Speaker 2: I want to do this. I want to I got
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Speaker 2: to keep going and.
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Speaker 3: Going and going. I don't want to relax, relaxing.
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Speaker 2: I don't know if you've Have you ever visited the
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Speaker 2: San Simeon Castle in California?
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Speaker 3: Have you ever been over to the the Cellar Hurst.
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Speaker 1: I figured, yes, yes, yes, yes I have.
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Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: So a fabulous place and just amazing, and so my
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Speaker 2: wife and I went on a tour of the whole.
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Speaker 2: You know, it's not castle, you don't call it this
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Speaker 2: mansion it's beyond mansion. It's the most spectacular thing in
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Speaker 2: the world. But it's part of the tour. We've got
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Speaker 2: to ask some questions, and so I asked the tour guy.
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Speaker 2: I said, you know, because he was he kept working
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Speaker 2: until he was in his late eighties when he died.
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Speaker 3: And I said, well, didn't he ever want to retire.
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Speaker 2: This was about maybe ten to fifteen years ago, before
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Speaker 2: the thought of retiring ever hit me. And this was
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Speaker 2: so profound, the tour guy said to me.
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Speaker 3: She said, Mormon.
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Speaker 2: His famous content comment was I will retire when God
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Speaker 2: retires me. Yeah, and that it's so profound Era, because
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Speaker 2: that you know, whether you're working with you're not working.
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Speaker 3: Miss Okay, So I'm retired a big deal.
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Speaker 2: But I'm doing far more than ever as far as
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Speaker 2: my daily activities, far more than ever than I did
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Speaker 2: when I was working. But I'm not retired because that
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Speaker 2: is death. That is really death to me. With you,
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Speaker 2: that's the end, that's the end.
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Speaker 1: Wow, we are just getting started with Norman Calvo. We'll
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Speaker 1: be right back. This is a motivator, this is an activator.
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Speaker 1: This is a step in the right direction for you.
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Speaker 1: We are back with Norman Calvo. I always tell myself
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Speaker 1: that that word retirement will never happen until I sit
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Speaker 1: down and have a conversation with my fourteen year old
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Speaker 1: self and say thank you for the ride. We had
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Speaker 1: a great time, but it's coming to an end. I
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Speaker 1: don't want to have that conversation. Therefore, I'm not going
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Speaker 1: to retire.
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Speaker 3: Not going to do it. Absolutely, not going to do it.
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Speaker 3: That's the most important thing in life. Just keep on going.
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Speaker 1: Absolutely, Just give me more RV time. Just put me
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Speaker 1: in that RV and let me go and see, you know.
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Speaker 1: And that's one of the things I wanted to bring
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Speaker 1: up to. That's where I you know, everybody thinks that
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Speaker 1: at the age of thirty five they're older than dirt man.
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Speaker 1: When they say that life begins at forty, yes it does.
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Speaker 1: Life also is given a rebirth at sixty, at seventy,
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Speaker 1: at eighty. And that's the thing about it. People don't
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Speaker 1: embrace those rebirths.
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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, absolutely. And here's the key. You now have
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Speaker 2: when you're older. You now have the time, you have
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Speaker 2: the money, and you have the flexibility to do whatever
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Speaker 2: you goddamn well please. And yet what I see over
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Speaker 2: and over again, and I'm talking friends and relatives, I've
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Speaker 2: druther and all sorts of people. What I'm seeing all
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Speaker 2: the time is that they've just risked a log, continuing
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Speaker 2: in exactly the same fashion that they've done for the
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Speaker 2: last thirty or forty years, and they can't see the forest,
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Speaker 2: see the trees.
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Speaker 3: They can't see that they have enough.
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Speaker 2: Money, if they have enough time, that they have enough
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Speaker 2: flexibility to do whatever they want and rediscover yourself or
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Speaker 2: re evaluate what your life really wants to what you
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Speaker 2: want it to be, and do it.
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Speaker 3: Just go do it.
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Speaker 2: So that's where I am, and that's where I'm hoping
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Speaker 2: all my clients will be as well.
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Speaker 1: Well, you're giving people the opportunity to look into the
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Speaker 1: eyes and the soul of this thing called choice. You
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Speaker 1: have the choice go enjoy this power you didn't have
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Speaker 1: when you were just becoming a twenty year old.
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Speaker 3: Yeah exactly.
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Speaker 2: I mean we had, you know, in our generation, we
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Speaker 2: kind of had to go to university, right, that was
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Speaker 2: the thing you just in order to get a good job.
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Speaker 3: You had your graduate.
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Speaker 2: You had to get a degree, and then you had
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Speaker 2: not everybody but you kind of get married, have kids,
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Speaker 2: buy a house, get a mortgage.
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Speaker 3: You have two tars, blah blah blah blah blah, all the.
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Speaker 2: Kind of crap, right that we just went along with
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Speaker 2: that script that nobody we never you know, we never
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Speaker 2: agreed to the script. It was just there and we said, Okay,
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Speaker 2: that's what I'm doing because that's what people do. But
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Speaker 2: now there's no script anymore. You you hate your own script.
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Speaker 2: And that's the key to having a wonderful existence when
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Speaker 2: you're later on in life, because you create exactly what
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Speaker 2: you want and by the time you're you know, at
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Speaker 2: nineteen ninety five, whenever it is that you pass away,
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Speaker 2: you can't have any regrets. You have a really, really
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Speaker 2: wonderful life. You've got to do what you really wanted
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Speaker 2: to do.
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Speaker 1: And one of the things that I really do try
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Speaker 1: to put focus on and I don't know if it's
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Speaker 1: because it's something that I learned from my father, but
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Speaker 1: as we age, and you at seventy two, you said,
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Speaker 1: how are you dealing with that moment where you get
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Speaker 1: grumpy old man syndrome?
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Speaker 3: My kids know exactly what happens.
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Speaker 2: They put me out on it, you know, you said,
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Speaker 2: I kind of like get angry at myself sometimes and
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Speaker 2: then I finally say, okay, I'm old enough to be grumpy.
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Speaker 2: I'm old enough to do this the you know, my
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Speaker 2: granddaughter the other day, Grandpa, don't worry. Don't worry, You're
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Speaker 2: going to be okay. I mean, I was practicing my
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Speaker 2: handstand and I kind of my arm gave out.
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Speaker 3: I fell crashed down on one of my knees and.
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Speaker 2: It hurt like gray, and I was rumpy for the
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Speaker 2: next two or three days.
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Speaker 3: I mean, I'm much better now, so it's fine. But
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Speaker 3: I don't worry. You'll be able to say you'll be okay. Yeah,
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Speaker 3: we do get grumpy.
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Speaker 2: We do the grumpy, but you know, as long as
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Speaker 2: it doesn't last too long, or as long as you
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Speaker 2: find a way to get out of that situation. Because
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Speaker 2: what a lot of people do is they let the
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Speaker 2: grumpiness overtake them and and it's just it's.
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Speaker 3: Just a sad state of affairs. They feel sorry for themselves.
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Speaker 2: They need a lot more sympathy than really they deserve
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Speaker 2: or they need, right.
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Speaker 3: And and so it just keeps on going.
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Speaker 2: So the key is, and when you're busy, when you
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Speaker 2: have something that really excites you, the grumpiness.
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Speaker 3: Does go away, and it goes away quickly. Yep, everybody does.
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Speaker 1: How do we teach the generations, especially the one that
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Speaker 1: we're into now because the baby boomers are getting older
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Speaker 1: and we're having to deal with that. But we also
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Speaker 1: have Generation Z, and of course we've got others that
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Speaker 1: are following. But the one thing that I really have
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Speaker 1: been preaching for god three decades, now, share your story
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Speaker 1: or someone is going to write it for you. In
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Speaker 1: other words, put a pin in that hand and get
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Speaker 1: that dang story down so that we get it right.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Well, that's exactly what I'm hoping to do, and not
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Speaker 2: hoping I am doing.
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Speaker 3: First of all, I'm writing my own memoir. Yeah, because
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Speaker 3: that is the key I want. You know. One of
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Speaker 3: the things that I.
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Speaker 2: Regret is my father was an immigrant and my mother
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Speaker 2: alough she was barely born in the United States, for
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Speaker 2: her parents were immigrants, and I regret never understanding, never
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Speaker 2: knowing what their stories are all about.
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Speaker 3: And so how did you get here? What happened?
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Speaker 2: My father say, you know, I would be deported these days,
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Speaker 2: you know, because my father wasn't did legal immigrants.
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Speaker 3: You know, a lot of passport in.
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Speaker 2: Columbia, South America because they couldn't get into the United States.
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Speaker 3: It was the way way we long ago. But what
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Speaker 3: was that story all about? How did you go from.
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Speaker 2: Turkey to Cuba to Columbia to Seattle?
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Speaker 3: What happened all those years?
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Speaker 2: The excitements, the adventures of this event, the courage that
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Speaker 2: it took to get here and do it and then
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Speaker 2: get married and before poor port in the nineteen sixties
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Speaker 2: in America, Oh, come on, not knowing how to read English,
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Speaker 2: Oh my god. Well there's a story there, Arrow, And
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Speaker 2: there's a story with my mother, and there's a story
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Speaker 2: with my grandparents. And you've got to tell the younger
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Speaker 2: generation these stories.
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Speaker 3: And that's why, you know, Okay, I was born in America. Okay,
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Speaker 3: I grew up for a fine side.
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Speaker 2: But there's still a fascinating story behind behind every single
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Speaker 2: one of us.
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Speaker 3: Yep. And the key is to tell that.
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Speaker 2: Younger generation, or the younger generations, how did you get
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Speaker 2: the courage to do what you do?
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Speaker 3: Which you did? What happened? Why did you do this?
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Speaker 3: Like many people don't know this about me.
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Speaker 2: My story is that I was married, you know, barely
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Speaker 2: three years, and I had four children. I was totally
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Speaker 2: penous and my wife were married less than a year
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Speaker 2: we had our first child, and then less than two
19:27
Speaker 2: years later we had three more kids, set of triplets, right, anyless, anyless,
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Speaker 2: I just it was just an awful I mean, thank
19:37
Speaker 2: god they were all healthy and wonderful, right, but financially speaking,
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Speaker 2: it was disaster. So what's the story behind that? How
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Speaker 2: did you manage to feed them? How did you manage
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Speaker 2: to work? There was a severe recession going on in
19:52
Speaker 2: the United States when this happened.
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Speaker 3: There was no mortgages to be done. I had no work.
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Speaker 3: I was penniless. I was in eighty thousand dollars in
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Speaker 3: credit card.
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Speaker 2: Get Well, there's a story, and everybody has their story
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Speaker 2: to tell.
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Speaker 3: It's going to be fascinating, and we do need to tell.
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Speaker 1: It because I'm still trying to figure out how my
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Speaker 1: mother raised eight children and Billings, Montana and I can't
20:13
Speaker 1: I get through life without my dog freaking me out.
20:16
Speaker 1: It's like, how does she deal with eight nang kids?
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Speaker 3: Wow? That that is something else? The kids?
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Speaker 2: Oh my god, I thought my story was important.
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Speaker 3: But yes, that story, I don't know if you know
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Speaker 3: the whole story. But where did they get the courage? Right?
20:32
Speaker 3: Where did they get the money?
20:34
Speaker 2: How did they how did they deal with this or
20:36
Speaker 2: was it just a matter of a different generation and
20:38
Speaker 2: it was easier.
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Speaker 3: I don't know.
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Speaker 1: The ninety nine year old man told me one thing, hope.
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Speaker 1: That's the only thing.
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Speaker 3: He gave me. One word.
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Speaker 1: I was expecting a paragraph. I was expecting a book
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Speaker 1: that I could go to. He said hope, and I went,
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Speaker 1: oh my.
20:53
Speaker 3: God, yeah, oping, optimism. Everything's going to turn out all right.
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Speaker 2: Yes, he is an encouraged absolutely, and that's the key,
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Speaker 2: you know. I remember I remember asking my father because
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Speaker 2: he left Turkey when he was young, you know, maybe
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Speaker 2: in his twenty I said, you never saw your and
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Speaker 2: your mommy, your dad for exam in your entire life?
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Speaker 3: How does that work? Like? What inconceivable? These stories? What happens?
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Speaker 3: But these are stories that need to be told. Absolutely.
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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, oh yeah.
21:28
Speaker 1: Where can people go to find out more about you?
21:31
Speaker 1: Because I want them to dive into your passion. I
21:33
Speaker 1: can hear it, I can feel it. You You are
21:37
Speaker 1: a coach that really does invest inside those that you're
21:40
Speaker 1: leading the way.
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Speaker 3: Oh thank you, Eric, thank you very much.
21:44
Speaker 2: I love your your enthusiasm and your your excitement and
21:47
Speaker 2: your voice as well. So the best place to go
21:50
Speaker 2: is those two states really subset dot Norman Travel dot com.
21:55
Speaker 2: That's that's really where a lot of my materials.
21:58
Speaker 3: But also I have a blog that's called against the.
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Speaker 2: Norms dot net and a lot of my stories are there,
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Speaker 2: and I write it in the fashion that is not technical,
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Speaker 2: and thank you.
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Speaker 3: You know. Yeah, it's fun, it's exciting. You know, you'll
22:15
Speaker 3: see it.
22:16
Speaker 2: I'm going to send you my most recent post after
22:18
Speaker 2: we get off the phone bill. But it's it's fun
22:20
Speaker 2: and exciting, and it's inspirational as well sometimes, so it's
22:23
Speaker 2: all really really good stuff.
22:25
Speaker 3: Due to the Taro places.
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Speaker 1: You have to come back to this show anytime in
22:28
Speaker 1: the future. I just I just love where you are.
22:30
Speaker 1: And it's one of those things that we've got to
22:31
Speaker 1: keep coaching, keep from leading those that are sitting there
22:35
Speaker 1: seeking something but they can't put their finger on it.
22:37
Speaker 1: I don't know what I'm looking for. I know I'll
22:39
Speaker 1: get it what I get there. Oh yeah, what are
22:41
Speaker 1: you looking for then? And where are you going to
22:43
Speaker 1: get it?
22:43
Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know.
22:45
Speaker 1: I don't Oh my god. Ah, So please come back
22:48
Speaker 1: to this show anytime in the future.
22:50
Speaker 2: Aero, thank you for the invitation and it's so wonderful.
22:54
Speaker 2: I'd love to be on your show again. It'd be really,
22:56
Speaker 2: really great.
22:56
Speaker 1: Will you be brilliant today?
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Speaker 2: Okay, thank you, thank you, Eron, thank you very much again,
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Speaker 2: and we'll speak to you real soon