Latest / Kenny For Real / What’s Next For The OKC Thunder?
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- 0:00Speaker 1: All right, y'all, we got to talk about the Oklahoma
- 0:01Speaker 1: City Thunder, man. I was going to do this video
- 0:04Speaker 1: originally right after we saw the dub injury, but I
- 0:05Speaker 1: wanted to get the time. Because in my mind, I
- 0:08Speaker 1: was just praying that there was some version of this
- 0:10Speaker 1: injury that wasn't as bad as it looked. And maybe
- 0:12Speaker 1: that was just me being naive. And I was just
- 0:14Speaker 1: waiting for the official report to come out. And it
- 0:17Speaker 1: did come out. And unfortunately, he's going to miss the
- 0:19Speaker 1: entire season, according to Sean Serrania. It is so crazy
- 0:22Speaker 1: how things can change in the blink of an eye,
- 0:24Speaker 1: where you go into a game thinking that you are
- 0:27Speaker 1: a championship level team, that you are a team that
- 0:29Speaker 1: can go the distance and win another one. In a
- 0:31Speaker 1: matter of an hour and a half, everything can change.
- 0:34Speaker 1: Sam Presti, who has done a phenomenal job in his
- 0:36Speaker 1: tenure as the Oklahoma City Thunder general manager slash basketball
- 0:39Speaker 1: ops guy, has to now think differently. What do we
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- 2:03Speaker 1: had a good off season, all things considered. And hindsight
- 2:05Speaker 1: would say, man, maybe they should have kept Dork. Maybe
- 2:07Speaker 1: they should have kept Joe or Wiggins, whatever. I thought
- 2:09Speaker 1: they had a good off season. And now they're without
- 2:12Speaker 1: not just J-Dub, but Kacen Wallace too. I swear to you,
- 2:17Speaker 1: I'm watching this game live because that's what I do.
- 2:19Speaker 1: I watch games. And Kacen Wallace went down after fighting
- 2:23Speaker 1: through a screen, if I'm not mistaken. And I promise you,
- 2:26Speaker 1: I can prove the text to you. I hit the
- 2:28Speaker 1: group chat and I said, my goodness, Cason Wallace just
- 2:30Speaker 1: dislocated his shoulder. You can literally, as somebody that if
- 2:34Speaker 1: you didn't know, they call me the shoulder whisperer because
- 2:36Speaker 1: I done been under that knife a few different times
- 2:37Speaker 1: when it comes to this shoulder stuff. So I just
- 2:39Speaker 1: have an eye for it. I'm not a medical professional,
- 2:41Speaker 1: but damn it, I've been through it three different times.
- 2:43Speaker 1: So I know. And when I saw him go down,
- 2:45Speaker 1: I saw that there was a dislocation there. Just like
- 2:48Speaker 1: I visually saw it. But again, I'm not a medical professional,
- 2:51Speaker 1: but there's a difference between the dislocation and the torn labrum.
- 2:53Speaker 1: Sometimes you can dislocate your shoulder. You can pop it
- 2:56Speaker 1: back in or it can be professionally put back in
- 2:58Speaker 1: and you never have a problem with it in the
- 3:00Speaker 1: history of your life. But then there's other times where
- 3:03Speaker 1: your shoulder gets dislocated and you tear the labrum that
- 3:06Speaker 1: is holding it into place. Again, it happened to me
- 3:08Speaker 1: three times and I was praying that that wasn't what
- 3:11Speaker 1: happened with Kaysen. And then again, We find out that's
- 3:15Speaker 1: exactly what happened. He tore the labrum in his left shoulder.
- 3:18Speaker 1: So he's going to be out. But again, the Oklahoma City,
- 3:21Speaker 1: they fight on. While Kaysen is an all-defensive player, it's
- 3:25Speaker 1: not the end of the world that Kaysen is going
- 3:26Speaker 1: to miss time. And then late into the fourth quarter,
- 3:28Speaker 1: you may have seen the clip if you were watching
- 3:30Speaker 1: the game or been on social media. J-Dub goes up,
- 3:32Speaker 1: lands awkwardly, and it's an injury that can only be
- 3:36Speaker 1: explained with... I mean, I don't know how you can
- 3:39Speaker 1: really explain it. It's just like, It is so fascinating,
- 3:42Speaker 1: and I don't mean that in a positive way, just
- 3:45Speaker 1: how the human body works and how somebody can land
- 3:49Speaker 1: exactly the same way that Dub did and nothing happens,
- 3:53Speaker 1: where they can pop right back up. But in this instance,
- 3:56Speaker 1: Dub falls and he lands awkwardly and he dislocated his
- 4:00Speaker 1: ankle and fractured his fibula. And you knew it was bad. Again,
- 4:04Speaker 1: I'm watching in real time. You knew it was bad
- 4:06Speaker 1: because somebody that was sitting baseline One of the workers
- 4:10Speaker 1: took a towel and immediately threw it over his leg.
- 4:13Speaker 1: And you can just see the reaction from the people
- 4:14Speaker 1: around him, whether it be the teammates or the other people.
- 4:16Speaker 1: You say, oh, my God, this is worse than you
- 4:18Speaker 1: could have imagined. And then eventually you see a picture
- 4:21Speaker 1: where people are putting it alongside like Gordon Hayward's freak
- 4:23Speaker 1: accident that was very, very similar. So Oklahoma City has
- 4:28Speaker 1: to rethink a lot of different things. But before we
- 4:29Speaker 1: talk about the basketball and the team building aspect, I
- 4:32Speaker 1: do want to send my prayers to these two guys, man.
- 4:34Speaker 1: Just think about the human aspect of it all. Fighting
- 4:37Speaker 1: back from an injury, both of these type of injuries,
- 4:39Speaker 1: is going to be mentally taxing for both of them,
- 4:42Speaker 1: and I'm wishing them nothing but a speedy recovery. J-Dub
- 4:45Speaker 1: has had just a rough couple years, man. They win
- 4:47Speaker 1: the NBA championship, and I don't know if you remember,
- 4:49Speaker 1: J-Dub was dealing with a hand thing on his shooting hand,
- 4:52Speaker 1: and somehow he still went out there and dropped 40
- 4:54Speaker 1: in an NBA finals game, which, crazy. Not many people
- 4:57Speaker 1: can say they dropped 40. Not many people can say
- 4:59Speaker 1: they dropped 40 while having a bad hand. He does that,
- 5:01Speaker 1: they get crowned NBA champions. Cool. The following year, he's
- 5:05Speaker 1: still dealing with the hand thing after having a surgery,
- 5:07Speaker 1: but he also has a lower leg injury that holds
- 5:09Speaker 1: him out for the majority of the season. But going
- 5:11Speaker 1: into it, you say like, hey, J-Dub is not going
- 5:13Speaker 1: to be out for the entirety of it. And as
- 5:15Speaker 1: long as they have a healthy J-Dub come postseason, I'm
- 5:17Speaker 1: only talking for myself, I still believe that the Thunder
- 5:20Speaker 1: were the favorite to win. They were still my pick
- 5:22Speaker 1: to win. And you know the story. J-Dub gives it
- 5:24Speaker 1: a go when it comes to the postseason. He doesn't
- 5:26Speaker 1: look like himself. And ultimately, once we get to the
- 5:28Speaker 1: series versus the Spurs, he and the team opt to
- 5:31Speaker 1: basically send him out because he's just not playing and
- 5:34Speaker 1: moving well. He's still injured. And the Thunder still go
- 5:37Speaker 1: to the game seven with the Spurs and almost still
- 5:39Speaker 1: that one. So I come back into this season and say, hey,
- 5:43Speaker 1: while again, they did have to trade Wiggins and Joe
- 5:45Speaker 1: and Dort, I still looked at them as the deepest
- 5:47Speaker 1: team in basketball. And I think they were looking like
- 5:49Speaker 1: that way through the first three games. And I had
- 5:51Speaker 1: them as my team winning the 2027 NBA championship. Well,
- 5:55Speaker 1: now that feels way more unlikely. Because one of the
- 5:58Speaker 1: reasons why the J-Dub injury hurt so much last year
- 6:00Speaker 1: when it went against the Spurs is that they were
- 6:02Speaker 1: missing a lot of on-ball creation. And I know that
- 6:05Speaker 1: they have, you know, A.J. Mitchell, who was also out
- 6:07Speaker 1: in that series. They have A.J. Mitchell, who just had
- 6:09Speaker 1: a phenomenal game today against the Spurs and, oh, against
- 6:10Speaker 1: the Suns as I record this video. But J-Dub also
- 6:14Speaker 1: holds a weird spot on the Thunder where, like, if
- 6:16Speaker 1: you look at the Thunder roster, if you don't, this
- 6:19Speaker 1: is stupid, if you don't think about the context of
- 6:21Speaker 1: these players and just think about their size and their weight,
- 6:24Speaker 1: they have a lot of guards and a lot of bigs. Right.
- 6:28Speaker 1: While guys like, again, before his injury, Kaysen can play
- 6:31Speaker 1: up or Caruso can play up. Like Shea can play
- 6:34Speaker 1: up as far as guarding threes and sometimes even fours.
- 6:38Speaker 1: Those guys are smaller guys on the court. One of
- 6:40Speaker 1: the few real wings on the court is J-Dub. And
- 6:43Speaker 1: J-Dub's not even like a six foot eight type of guy.
- 6:45Speaker 1: I think he's listed six, five, but he got like
- 6:47Speaker 1: a seven foot wingspan and he's burly so he can
- 6:49Speaker 1: guard up. Right. So now they're missing one of their two.
- 6:52Speaker 1: The only other guy they really have in this position
- 6:54Speaker 1: is Cambridge Williams, Kenny Hustle. So now they're missing that
- 6:56Speaker 1: guy where they have the ball, the guy that could
- 6:58Speaker 1: create off the bounce and create for himself and others,
- 7:00Speaker 1: but also can guard wings. And also it's like straight
- 7:03Speaker 1: up connector on both sides of the floor. It's a
- 7:07Speaker 1: tough bunch of shoes to really to really try to feel.
- 7:10Speaker 1: And then they also lose another all defensive guy, Casey Wallace,
- 7:14Speaker 1: who's like one of the what? Five best perimeter defenders
- 7:18Speaker 1: in basketball. So a lot of conversation has gone to like,
- 7:22Speaker 1: what happens next for OKC? Should they be a team
- 7:25Speaker 1: picking up the phone and trying to call around? Because
- 7:29Speaker 1: the windows that are created in the NBA, especially in
- 7:32Speaker 1: this era, are getting shorter and shorter and shorter. OKC
- 7:36Speaker 1: has done a good job and they're right up against
- 7:38Speaker 1: the second apron where they extended Dove, they extended Chet,
- 7:41Speaker 1: Shea got his money, iHeart got his money, Caruso got
- 7:45Speaker 1: money last season, Kaysen just got his money this season,
- 7:47Speaker 1: AJ Mitchell is making pennies compared to his production. So
- 7:50Speaker 1: they have guys that are under control for the next
- 7:52Speaker 1: couple seasons, but you don't want to throw this season away, right?
- 7:55Speaker 1: You still want to go out there and be a
- 7:57Speaker 1: team that can win a championship. But the problem is,
- 8:00Speaker 1: if we go and quickly look at their salary table,
- 8:03Speaker 1: they are just really expensive at the top. We're like,
- 8:07Speaker 1: you're not trading Dove, even with his injury. You're not
- 8:09Speaker 1: trading Chad or Shea or Iheart or even Caruso or
- 8:12Speaker 1: even J. Will, who just continues to show that he's
- 8:16Speaker 1: just really fucking good at basketball. You just extend the
- 8:18Speaker 1: case and he's coming off the injury. Like, how do
- 8:21Speaker 1: you get better? And try to feel those shoes that
- 8:24Speaker 1: are J-Dub. If it's going to be Topich and Kenny Hustle,
- 8:28Speaker 1: who should retire at Thunder, by the way. He's Nick
- 8:31Speaker 1: Costas 2.0. It's going to be Topich and Sorber. That's
- 8:34Speaker 1: only $ 9 million. Because you can't trade McCain because he's
- 8:36Speaker 1: on the silver contract for his production. You can't trade A.J. Mitchell.
- 8:39Speaker 1: He's on the silver contract for his production. So it's
- 8:41Speaker 1: like Topich and Sorber. And what can you get for
- 8:46Speaker 1: $ 9 million? that's going to help you be a championship
- 8:49Speaker 1: contender today. I think they got a disabled player exception
- 8:53Speaker 1: of like 15 million, so that does help them at
- 8:55Speaker 1: least a little bit. But this is a team that
- 8:57Speaker 1: went from, we are the favorite, we believe that we
- 8:59Speaker 1: can do it this season, to my goodness, what do
- 9:02Speaker 1: we do next? And that's a rough place to be
- 9:05Speaker 1: in a matter of 24 hours. Now, if there's any
- 9:07Speaker 1: silver lining, and it's hard to have a silver lining
- 9:09Speaker 1: in a situation like this, even without having checked, I'm sorry,
- 9:13Speaker 1: even without having Dubb or even without having Kaysen, this
- 9:16Speaker 1: team will still be good enough to win a bunch
- 9:19Speaker 1: of regular season games. You just saw that tonight against
- 9:21Speaker 1: the Phoenix Suns where the Suns end up scoring 113.
- 9:24Speaker 1: I think a lot of that's garbage time. But, like,
- 9:27Speaker 1: they were without Chet in this game as well. So
- 9:29Speaker 1: they were without three starters, and they still went out
- 9:31Speaker 1: against at least, let's say, a solid Suns team. I'm
- 9:33Speaker 1: still trying to figure out where the Suns sit in 2026-7.
- 9:35Speaker 1: I know in 2025-2026 they were a playoff team. Nowadays
- 9:37Speaker 1: it may not be. It may not look that way.
- 9:42Speaker 1: I don't know. But like A.J. Mitchell and Jeremy Kane
- 9:45Speaker 1: and Shea started together. That is a really small top
- 9:48Speaker 1: three guys. And, you know, the Suns don't have a
- 9:50Speaker 1: lot of people that will punish their lack of size there.
- 9:52Speaker 1: But eventually they will go against teams that will eventually
- 9:54Speaker 1: they're going to go against playoff teams that have that size.
- 9:56Speaker 1: It's like, okay, what do we do now? Again, they
- 9:58Speaker 1: didn't have Chet tonight either, which is insane that like
- 10:01Speaker 1: Josh Dix was playing. And I'm going to be honest
- 10:03Speaker 1: with you, I don't know anything about Josh Dix. I
- 10:05Speaker 1: don't even know, or at least until tonight, I didn't
- 10:07Speaker 1: even know what position he played. And guess what? He's
- 10:12Speaker 1: not a wing. I guess he's probably like 6'6, so
- 10:15Speaker 1: maybe he is a wing. But they're going to have
- 10:17Speaker 1: to now heavily rely on Adai Mara. right, to step up,
- 10:21Speaker 1: especially if we're going to have some Chet Homer and stuff.
- 10:23Speaker 1: And like Bennett Sturtz, who didn't play a ton in
- 10:25Speaker 1: his first couple games, now he had to come in
- 10:27Speaker 1: and play 24 minutes today. They're probably going to need
- 10:30Speaker 1: to add some type of something on this team. Even
- 10:32Speaker 1: if it's not, again, filling the J-Dub shoes is going
- 10:35Speaker 1: to be impossible. Let's be real. Nobody's going to be
- 10:37Speaker 1: able to add the production that he did on both
- 10:38Speaker 1: sides of the floor. But they're going to need somebody
- 10:40Speaker 1: to fill minutes. Just be competent and fill minutes. And
- 10:45Speaker 1: I don't know who that guy is. Quickly, before we
- 10:47Speaker 1: get back to OKC and their injuries and all of that,
- 10:51Speaker 1: I've expressed with my good friend Devin Booker how it
- 10:55Speaker 1: can be so frustrating. Devin Booker had 40 in their
- 10:58Speaker 1: last game. And guess what? Was that against the Warriors?
- 11:01Speaker 1: Straight off 40 ball. Dogging them boys. And I'm like, yeah,
- 11:05Speaker 1: there you go, Book. And then in this game, he
- 11:08Speaker 1: had like two shots going into the fourth quarter. And
- 11:11Speaker 1: I know it's OKC. And they got dogs defensively. But, bro,
- 11:15Speaker 1: you took 25 shots just two nights ago. How the
- 11:18Speaker 1: hell do we get to the point? where you end
- 11:20Speaker 1: a game with seven shots. Here are the people, and
- 11:25Speaker 1: he didn't get to the foul line either. One for one.
- 11:27Speaker 1: Here are the people that attempted more shots than Devin Booker,
- 11:30Speaker 1: Devin Armani Booker, who averaged 26, 28 a game in
- 11:34Speaker 1: his sleep. Jalen Green, Mal Uwatch, Miles Bridges, Dylan Brooks,
- 11:40Speaker 1: Colin Gillespie, Jordan Goodwin, other side, A.J. Mitchell, Isaiah Hartenstein,
- 11:46Speaker 1: Jerry McCain, Shea Gilgis-Alexander, Was that 15 names? I forgot
- 11:50Speaker 1: that fast. There's no way. There's no way, book. There's
- 11:55Speaker 1: no way, book. Three? Three points? I want to get
- 11:59Speaker 1: back to talking about this window thing, this window thing,
- 12:01Speaker 1: because as I said earlier, windows in the NBA close
- 12:05Speaker 1: faster than they ever truly have. And most times, teams
- 12:09Speaker 1: figure it out later that their window hit close. They
- 12:11Speaker 1: figure it out a year too late. Okay, see, I'm
- 12:13Speaker 1: not saying that the window's closed, because like I mentioned,
- 12:14Speaker 1: their top seven guys are under contract for the next
- 12:16Speaker 1: two seasons. So like, In theory, they're going to be
- 12:18Speaker 1: able to come back and be healthy and maybe win
- 12:20Speaker 1: it next year. But there's just a lot going on
- 12:24Speaker 1: in the association where teams continue to get better and
- 12:27Speaker 1: better and better and better. And while the Spurs have
- 12:31Speaker 1: not looked phenomenal to start the season, they're still trying
- 12:33Speaker 1: to figure their stuff out with their rotations and their
- 12:35Speaker 1: lineups and stuff. That's a team that just beat you
- 12:38Speaker 1: in the playoffs last year when you didn't have Dubb.
- 12:40Speaker 1: And now you don't have Dubb and you won't have
- 12:41Speaker 1: Cason too. And that team, at least in theory, if
- 12:43Speaker 1: you just talk about progression, should continue to get better
- 12:46Speaker 1: as well. And they're just not... I'm talking about OKC
- 12:49Speaker 1: and Preston here. Jay, they traditionally just don't do bigger
- 12:53Speaker 1: trades in the regular season. They usually don't even become
- 12:56Speaker 1: big buyers in the regular season other than like the
- 12:58Speaker 1: Jeremy Kane thing kind of just happened to fall into
- 13:01Speaker 1: their lap somehow. I still don't know how Jeremy Kane
- 13:04Speaker 1: ended up in Oklahoma City. But for the most part,
- 13:06Speaker 1: a lot of their midseason trades end up being them
- 13:08Speaker 1: playing the money moves where they're going to acquire Gordon Hayward, right?
- 13:13Speaker 1: So they can open up the money to go get
- 13:14Speaker 1: Isaiah Hardenstein. Or they're going to trade away, I don't know,
- 13:18Speaker 1: Ujman Jain, who at this point doesn't have a lot
- 13:21Speaker 1: of value on their team. It's going to hit restricted
- 13:23Speaker 1: free agency. But this might be one of the few
- 13:25Speaker 1: times where they do need to pick up the phone
- 13:28Speaker 1: and be the ones that are trying to win the trade.
- 13:32Speaker 1: And I read earlier they have 22 second-round picks to
- 13:36Speaker 1: potentially move. So they'll be fine. You know what I mean? Like,
- 13:39Speaker 1: I don't even think you have to go out there–
- 13:42Speaker 1: and go get a superstar level player, but if you
- 13:44Speaker 1: throw in four second round picks, there's going to be
- 13:46Speaker 1: some teams that's going to be interested to sell you
- 13:48Speaker 1: their guys. So this is what I want to do.
- 13:50Speaker 1: Obviously the internet is a place that cannot be trusted.
- 13:53Speaker 1: That's what I'm telling my kids. But I'm curious to
- 13:58Speaker 1: see what type of trades have been thrown around by
- 14:02Speaker 1: the fans. And there's some interesting ones already. Like Derrick
- 14:06Speaker 1: Jones Jr. is not going to provide the creation, the shooting, hell,
- 14:10Speaker 1: even the The super versatility defensively that J-Dub can add.
- 14:15Speaker 1: But like, that is an interesting enough player. Well, I
- 14:18Speaker 1: would look at this trade, and I'm sure it can't
- 14:20Speaker 1: just be toe-pitching for Derrick Jones Jr., but just thinking
- 14:22Speaker 1: about the player that is Derrick Jones Jr. and the
- 14:24Speaker 1: place that the Clippers are in, I think to myself,
- 14:27Speaker 1: that's not that bad. Herb Jones, there was a video
- 14:31Speaker 1: earlier today. There's a video of Joe Dumars and Herb
- 14:34Speaker 1: Jones having a conversation, and it's just like breaking news
- 14:40Speaker 1: that something's about to come. And Herb Jones doesn't play. Like,
- 14:43Speaker 1: I think he's playing 15 minutes a game on a
- 14:46Speaker 1: Pelican team. And I know his fit on that team
- 14:48Speaker 1: is a bit weird considering the lack of spacing all around.
- 14:51Speaker 1: And he hasn't been able to hit a shot in
- 14:52Speaker 1: what feels like a year or two. But, like, maybe
- 14:55Speaker 1: there's a Herb Jones trait. And I don't know. How
- 14:57Speaker 1: is this even possible? Is it just because of the
- 14:59Speaker 1: disabled player except? Like, how can Brooke Barnhauser work for
- 15:02Speaker 1: Herb Jones right now? See, they got, like, Denny and.
- 15:06Speaker 1: They're trying to trade J-Dub for Julius Ramsey. So, like,
- 15:08Speaker 1: a lot of these are just 2K type trades. Like,
- 15:10Speaker 1: Isaiah Harden says not get traded for Trey Murphy. But
- 15:12Speaker 1: the Derrick Jones Jr. one, the Derrick Jones Jr. one
- 15:16Speaker 1: is pretty interesting. I'm not going to lie. They even
- 15:18Speaker 1: got a Rui Hachimura one here that's interesting. Even a
- 15:21Speaker 1: Julian Champagny one is interesting. Julian Champagny is having a
- 15:24Speaker 1: really good start to the season. He obviously could close
- 15:26Speaker 1: some possessions with his rebounding and everything. I feel like
- 15:28Speaker 1: he's got better throughout the year. Hame Hake is the
- 15:31Speaker 1: name that I heard thrown out a little bit. So, like,
- 15:33Speaker 1: there are some interesting players across the association that they
- 15:36Speaker 1: could try to potentially get. They just obviously won't be Dubb.
- 15:39Speaker 1: And maybe I need to stop that right now. Ooh,
- 15:42Speaker 1: Max Strews and Eric Jones Jr. Max Strews got to
- 15:45Speaker 1: get healthy. But maybe I need to stop that right now.
- 15:47Speaker 1: Stop expecting that whatever the trade is going to be
- 15:50Speaker 1: is going to be in replace of Dubb. And maybe
- 15:52Speaker 1: I shouldn't have to think about it that way. Instead,
- 15:54Speaker 1: I'm just thinking about them acquiring, let's say, an extra wing, right?
- 15:57Speaker 1: An extra wing in the league where wings are very important.
- 16:01Speaker 1: I don't know. I just got, like, a gut punch
- 16:03Speaker 1: upset to my stomach when I watched that. And then
- 16:05Speaker 1: you see all of his teammates. I mean, like, Shea
- 16:08Speaker 1: literally crying. Like, obviously, they're going to be doing everything
- 16:10Speaker 1: they can to win for those two guys. But it
- 16:14Speaker 1: is super unfortunate because at the end of the day,
- 16:16Speaker 1: nobody loves injuries, right? And right now, we got Dubb.
- 16:19Speaker 1: We got Kaysen. On a very smaller scale, like, Jalen
- 16:22Speaker 1: Duren is going to be out for a few weeks.
- 16:24Speaker 1: Paolo Beccaro is going to be out for a few weeks.
- 16:25Speaker 1: I feel like I'm forgetting about some really high-profile guys.
- 16:28Speaker 1: Kawhi Leonard has swelling in his knee. We don't know
- 16:29Speaker 1: what that necessarily means just yet. It's just it's just
- 16:32Speaker 1: a lot already a real week into the season. And,
- 16:36Speaker 1: you know, I don't know. I have to win a
- 16:38Speaker 1: championship right now. It was it was I was going
- 16:40Speaker 1: OKC the whole way. Now I got to rethink about
- 16:42Speaker 1: it because without J-Dub and without Kaysen, I don't think
- 16:45Speaker 1: they can win a championship. I would be very surprised,
- 16:48Speaker 1: you know. So I guess we have to wait and see.