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Shocking new theory behind Vegas shooter killing spree · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace on Serious x M Triumph
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Speaker 1: Channel one, thirty two shots. We proceused to believe it
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Speaker 1: was a shooting um until they just kept going and going,
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Speaker 1: and then Chase Haldeen left the stage, and then everybody
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Speaker 1: started fleeing, and we started fleeing. We we had to
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Speaker 1: have a gate to get out. Sounded like at the firework,
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Speaker 1: something that you think normally happens in Vega, and then
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Speaker 1: it just started going blah blah blah. Through investigation. In response,
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Speaker 1: we determined there was a shooter on the thirty second
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Speaker 1: floor from the mandal. I had no sense that we
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Speaker 1: were in any danger at all. It felt so safe.
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Speaker 1: We are live in Las Vegas. I'm here with my
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Speaker 1: buddy Alan Duke, bringing you the very latest in our
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Speaker 1: investigation into the Vegas shooter. Nearly sixty dead, hundreds injured,
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Speaker 1: and still searching for answers. I'm Nancy Grace. This is
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Speaker 1: Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us. It seems
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Speaker 1: here in Vegas as though a Paul has fallen over
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Speaker 1: the city. Yes people are still partying, Yes the casinos
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Speaker 1: are full, but everywhere you turn. I've learned in the
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Speaker 1: last hours, having walked the casino floors. Everyone is still
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Speaker 1: talking about and in fear of what happened with the
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Speaker 1: Vegas shooter, Stephen Paddock, as the investigation actually continues to
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Speaker 1: heat up. Joining me a survivor of the Vegas shooting.
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Speaker 1: Dr Carol Lieberman, author Alan Duke, of course, joining me
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Speaker 1: here in Vegas right now. Out to investigative reporter John
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Speaker 1: Limley with Crime online dot Com. John, So much has
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Speaker 1: been made just recently regarding the autopsy on Stephen Paddock.
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Speaker 1: What may have triggered the deadliest mass shooting in modern
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Speaker 1: US history. But the investigation is going even deeper than that,
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Speaker 1: as into motive and how he was able to carry
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Speaker 1: it out from a luxury high rise casino. What have
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Speaker 1: you learned, John Limley? Well, in addition, Nancy to questions
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Speaker 1: about the state of Paddock's brain, there's also really from
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Speaker 1: the very beginning that a lot of discussion about the
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Speaker 1: whole timeline of events and exactly how they came down. Uh.
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Speaker 1: Some say that there was a six minute gap between
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Speaker 1: when a security guard in the hotel was shot to
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Speaker 1: when the mass shooting began in earnest Um. A lot
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Speaker 1: of questions, a lot of questions. Still no Okay, wait
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Speaker 1: a minute, John Lamley, John Lamley, hold on, let me
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Speaker 1: analyze what you just said. A six minute gap between
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Speaker 1: the first shooting of a hotel security guard before mass
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Speaker 1: murder goes down with me right now. A survivor of
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Speaker 1: the Vegas shooting, well known attorney Brian Claypool. Brian, I
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Speaker 1: had no idea that you survived the Vegas shooting. I
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Speaker 1: want to hear why you were in Vegas and what
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Speaker 1: what effect does it have on you that there was
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Speaker 1: basically a six minute warning before mass murder goes down. Yeah, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: thanks for having me. Um, before I even tell you
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Speaker 1: why I was there, There's not only a six minute gap.
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Speaker 1: I've read the entire eighty eight page preliminary investigative report.
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Speaker 1: There was really a lot of people don't know this,
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Speaker 1: but Hesus Campos was actually on the thirty second floor
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Speaker 1: at PM. Remember the shooting started at about ten o six.
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Speaker 1: He was there and he discovered a barricaded door in
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Speaker 1: the stairwell at thirty second floor. Now you have kids,
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Speaker 1: I have a little girl. I think my little girl,
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Speaker 1: if she was working as a security guard at the
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Speaker 1: Mandalay Bay, would have had a red red alert Okay,
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Speaker 1: somebody's manipulated this door. It's blocked. People can't get out.
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Speaker 1: If there's a fire, I better call the fire department.
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Speaker 1: Tell me that again, Brian, tell me that again. We
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Speaker 1: don't want to understand it. Pm PM Campos was called
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Speaker 1: to the thirty second flour for what's called an S
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Speaker 1: O S alarm. It's a car alarm, which means that
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Speaker 1: somebody has left their door open for a prolonged period
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Speaker 1: of time that triggers an alarm within the Because the
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Speaker 1: mandal A Bay, he was called up to the thirty
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Speaker 1: second floor to check that alarm. This is at six pm.
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Speaker 1: He finds the hallway door barricaded. That means just been
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Speaker 1: potentially manipulated. He can't open it. You mean it was
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Speaker 1: a a door to a room or a door to
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Speaker 1: an ex the hallway, the hallway, the hallway. Okay, that's
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Speaker 1: just that's just odd. I mean in any big building,
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Speaker 1: if if I saw that, I would immediately think something
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Speaker 1: was sideways. Okay, go ahead, exactly. That's that's my point.
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Speaker 1: So that's that's that's the point I'm trying to make it.
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Speaker 1: He never calls the fire department, never calls the police department.
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Speaker 1: To to to report that and then goes and does
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Speaker 1: his little you know, the other things, and then saunders
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Speaker 1: back up there with an engineer, you know, a few
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Speaker 1: minutes before the super starts. So I just want to
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Speaker 1: make that clear though, because I represent I've got over
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Speaker 1: forty clients now to an addition to being a survivor,
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Speaker 1: I'm representing over forty victims. And that's one of the
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Speaker 1: big arguments we're gonna making. This litigation. At this timeline
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Speaker 1: extends well beyond six minutes. Anybody with a half of
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Speaker 1: brain in their head we've been calling the backup. So
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Speaker 1: that's a whole new thing. I did not know that
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Speaker 1: someone had intentionally barricaded a high rise exit door open
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Speaker 1: to Brian Claypole, Dr Carol Lieberman, John Limley joining me.
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Speaker 1: We are live here in Vegas investigating for ourselves. You know,
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Speaker 1: once it's once an investigation starts, unless you hear the
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Speaker 1: facts from police, it gets crazy with all the theories,
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Speaker 1: the bizarre theories that may be supported by one scintilla effect. So,
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Speaker 1: Brian claypol you just were at a survivor's vigil, a
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Speaker 1: meeting last night, late into the night, and I just
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Speaker 1: can't imagine what everyone is going through. I mean, I
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Speaker 1: had it bad enough with one murder to deal with
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Speaker 1: that being on the scene of a mass murder. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: you can relate to the US with you what what
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Speaker 1: what happened to you with your your husband? And and
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Speaker 1: then another thing you can relate to because you have kids.
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Speaker 1: You know, I have an eleven year old little girl. Right,
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Speaker 1: I'm a single parent, and I love being a dad
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Speaker 1: and I want to have another child. Right. But imagine
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Speaker 1: that you were at that concert, right, I was there.
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Speaker 1: My birthday was the following Tuesday, so I decided last
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Speaker 1: minute to go out to to Vegas. I like country
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Speaker 1: country music, and I was staying by the way on
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Speaker 1: the four of the Mandalay Bay. So when I eventually
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Speaker 1: got back to my room, I could send you pictures.
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Speaker 1: I could look up and see paddocks blown out windows
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Speaker 1: right above me. That's how for real it was. But
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Speaker 1: imagine this being apparent, and then all you're going from
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Speaker 1: relaxing to all of a sudden hearing sounds that you
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Speaker 1: think initially your fireworks. And then what I do is
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Speaker 1: right And I started looking at Jason Alden's face. I
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Speaker 1: was a little bit to a left of the state,
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Speaker 1: and I was looking at his face because I was
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Speaker 1: a little bit worried because I looked up in the
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Speaker 1: sky and I didn't see any any residue from fireworks.
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Speaker 1: And he kind of stuttered when he was singing when
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Speaker 1: that first this first sounds pop. But then then there
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Speaker 1: was a second round of pops. And when I saw
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Speaker 1: him put his guitar underneath his his um, the cup
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Speaker 1: of his shoulder and ran off the stage. Man, I went,
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Speaker 1: I it was just complete panic because I knew at
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Speaker 1: that time something horrible was going on. But I won't
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Speaker 1: tell you this. If I was, you know, the first
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Speaker 1: round of bullets, you know, I was trying to duck
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Speaker 1: and trying to lay down. Um. I fully expected to die,
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Speaker 1: There's no question about it because of the populaaah. I
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Speaker 1: mean he just felt like the bullets right on top
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Speaker 1: of you. You could hear the bullets, can hear pining you.
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Speaker 1: I expected to die. And when there's no gap in
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Speaker 1: the shoot, who I went from, I'm going to die too, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I am really I've got to live to see my daughter.
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Speaker 1: But then I said I live. I'm okay, White a minute,
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Speaker 1: White a minute, You're just totally you're you're killing me
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Speaker 1: right now because the thought of you, Brian, I mean
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Speaker 1: you and I go way back of you laying there
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Speaker 1: on the round with bullets ringing out and all you
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Speaker 1: can think about is trying to get back to your daughter.
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Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, but but but Nancy, you know what
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Speaker 1: that triggers. It triggers post shooting guilt in other words,
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Speaker 1: in other words, because I had to talk with some
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Speaker 1: people at the survivor meeting about this, because there was
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Speaker 1: there was a guy I met there who invited me,
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Speaker 1: guy named Taylor Winston. Taylor was a hero if you
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Speaker 1: if you looked him up, he actually was a former
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Speaker 1: IRAQI that he was at the shooting. He actually grabbed
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Speaker 1: a truck that had keys in it and started transporting
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Speaker 1: some bodies in the hospital. So when I hear his story,
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Speaker 1: I then kind of spiral because I feel like I
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Speaker 1: didn't do enough. But this gets to me having a daughter.
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Speaker 1: None of the words I saw people down excuse me
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Speaker 1: I didn't. I didn't feel like I did enough because
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Speaker 1: I was trying to get back to my little girl,
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Speaker 1: whereas other people grew more So, I'm feeling psychologically, I'm
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Speaker 1: seeing a therapist. I'm trying to work on that aspect
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Speaker 1: of it too. So that's that's the demons that I'm
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Speaker 1: dealing with. Well, wait a minute, I just want to
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Speaker 1: tell you a story I haven't shared even with you, Alan.
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Speaker 1: I remember I was out in a housing project. I
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Speaker 1: guess I've been prosecuting me. I had already been named
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Speaker 1: a special prosecutor by that time, so I had to
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Speaker 1: be in it at least five years prosecuting. And I
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Speaker 1: went with my longtime investigator, Earnest, and we went up
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Speaker 1: to find a witness on a porch stoop and there
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Speaker 1: was a screen door and we couldn't see in, and
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Speaker 1: we were bamming on the door, and all of a sudden,
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Speaker 1: a gun comes out, pointing right in our face and
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Speaker 1: Earnest both of us. He grabbed me. We both dived
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Speaker 1: off the porch into the bushes and hit hard. And
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Speaker 1: I still remember that moment. It was so fast. I
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Speaker 1: hardly even remember the gun barrel, but in that moment,
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Speaker 1: and I don't want and I'm applying this to you, Brian,
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Speaker 1: you gotta stop. You got to. I'm so glad you're
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Speaker 1: seeing somebody with survivor's guilt because you were trying to
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Speaker 1: protect the thing that means the most to you, your child.
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Speaker 1: And I also don't like people attacking all day for
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Speaker 1: leaving the stage, because when you are confronted with death,
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Speaker 1: you act instinctively. He wasn't standing there thinking, Oh, what's
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Speaker 1: gonna look good with my pr eight you know, that's
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Speaker 1: not what it was about. It's about saving your life.
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Speaker 1: So I really resent people attacking the survivors because something
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Speaker 1: kicks in and I just am still imagining you on
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Speaker 1: the ground with the bullets ringing out. How did you
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Speaker 1: get out of there? And what what was it like?
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Speaker 1: What was going through your mind? What was everybody else doing? Well?
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Speaker 1: I mean, I mean it was like it was pick
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Speaker 1: your poison. I mean, that's that was That's was definitely
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Speaker 1: at your doorstep. And and and what I remember is thinking,
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Speaker 1: so when the first time the shots work was going on,
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Speaker 1: like I said, I thought I was going to die,
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Speaker 1: and I went from I'm going to die too. There
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Speaker 1: was a little break in the shooting, and I'm like,
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Speaker 1: oh my gosh, I'm stealing my body. And I'm like
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Speaker 1: and I was covering the side of my head while
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Speaker 1: the shots work going on, and whither or not. It
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Speaker 1: was so surrealized, pulling on people's pants, like like some
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Speaker 1: people were still standing. I don't know if they were
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Speaker 1: just in shock, was happy, just trying to pull people
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Speaker 1: to come down. And then and then I'm like, oh
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Speaker 1: my god, I'm still alive. And then then I started
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Speaker 1: running and I saw people down, and then I was
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Speaker 1: like running actually in the in an open area, which
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Speaker 1: was not good. And then what happened is there was
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Speaker 1: a really a herolic young Hispanic man um and he said,
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Speaker 1: get out of you're you're in the line of fire.
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Speaker 1: Get out, come over here. And then there was this
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Speaker 1: little area like under this little small bleacher the left
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Speaker 1: of the stage, and he goes, coming here. This is
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Speaker 1: before the second round the shots, right, and I go
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Speaker 1: in there and I'll never forget seeing like five and
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Speaker 1: like a young lady, like young ladies they must have
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Speaker 1: been probably but between nineteen and twenty two. And they
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Speaker 1: were just on their knees, prying erically like praying, like
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Speaker 1: all in a corner like in this little area. So
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Speaker 1: I tried to calm them down and said, you know,
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Speaker 1: I said, he's gonna be okay a just a lot,
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Speaker 1: you know, I didn't say, I just just be calm
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Speaker 1: we're gonna get through this, I said, but we've got
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Speaker 1: to get out of here when this next shooting stops.
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Speaker 1: Because then I started thinking about the Pulse night club shooting.
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Speaker 1: You see what I mean. It was like it was
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Speaker 1: like okay, okay, I thought. I thought, okay, okay, wow,
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Speaker 1: we're protected now. But see what people don't understand. And
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Speaker 1: we didn't know where the student was coming from. So
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Speaker 1: everybody Monday morning quarterback, So was this up in a hotel?
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Speaker 1: What are you worried about? We were thinking it was
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Speaker 1: people were right across the fence. I was right next
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Speaker 1: to the fence, continuous with Bostonitis boulevards. So while for
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Speaker 1: a moment I thought we were safe inside that room,
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Speaker 1: I was starting to panic and I prayed. I was like,
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Speaker 1: oh my god, I think sure comes in here. We're
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Speaker 1: done right, We're toast because we got nowhere to go.
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Speaker 1: So that then the next round e studing is going on.
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Speaker 1: We're just we're and I think you can relate to
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Speaker 1: this thing the mom You know, I'm a middle aged man,
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Speaker 1: so I felt guilty that these young girls were gonna die.
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Speaker 1: So I instinctively stood in front of him. I'm really
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Speaker 1: proud of this because I didn't feel like I did enough,
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Speaker 1: but I felt like I was protecting them. I stood
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Speaker 1: in front of them and didn't even get behind his
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Speaker 1: barraty and I had pulled in front of them. I
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Speaker 1: stood in front of them because I was kind of
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Speaker 1: feeling like, look, if this dude comes into here, then
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Speaker 1: he could shoot me first, because these girls are younger, right,
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Speaker 1: and they haven't lost enough of life. So I stood
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Speaker 1: like right in front near the entrance of the door.
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Speaker 1: And then there was another break in the shooting, and
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Speaker 1: I'll never forget the most the real moment. I peeped
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Speaker 1: out the door and I literally am facing the Manila Bay,
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Speaker 1: looking right at the Manila Bay, and then there was
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Speaker 1: a really great police officer across the fence. You saw me,
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Speaker 1: and he screams out, I'll never forget these words. Run
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Speaker 1: north now, run north, now, north, and go further away
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Speaker 1: from the front of the venue. And then of course
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Speaker 1: I started like running north, and then I'm like, what
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Speaker 1: about the girls, right, So I did a quick three
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Speaker 1: sixty and we hit back in the room like let's go,
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Speaker 1: come on, let's go. We gotta get out of here,
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Speaker 1: and then started going towards the back. But Nancy, what
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Speaker 1: people don't get is the entire time you're trying to exit,
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Speaker 1: you're waiting you can get in. Other words, were then
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Speaker 1: and then we're waiting you can hit from behind, like
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Speaker 1: like we're waiting like like we have to wait for
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Speaker 1: people to try to get out. But the whole time
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Speaker 1: you're you're expecting you get hit in the back because
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Speaker 1: the shots you're still going on. So and then eventually
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Speaker 1: kind of had to calm people down to get out
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Speaker 1: of this one little, small four ft exit, And I
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Speaker 1: just said to people, if you're gonna fight, nobody's gonna
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Speaker 1: make it out of your live. I tried to really
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Speaker 1: just say, we've got to all get in a single
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Speaker 1: is survivor of the Vegas mass shooting. Brian Claypool, our
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Speaker 1: friend Alan Deuke, and I are here live in Vegas
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Speaker 1: conducting our own investigation, trying to dig Dig Dig talking
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Speaker 1: to people into the night, finding out about theories about logistics,
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Speaker 1: what police aren't telling us. Also with me, in addition
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Speaker 1: to survivor Brian Claypool, our colleague and friend John Limley,
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Speaker 1: you so much for being with us when you're listening
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Speaker 1: to Brian Claypool as all of this evidence is coming
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Speaker 1: out about the autopsy on the shooter or paddock and
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Speaker 1: what we can learn, it's just overwhelming. Dr Carroll, Yes,
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Speaker 1: it really is. And Brian certainly brought it to life.
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Speaker 1: I mean you could still I think we all got
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Speaker 1: chills just hearing and it was still so raw in
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Speaker 1: his mind. Um. Yes, the latest thing is that there
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Speaker 1: was an autopsy and people were hoping, I guess some
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Speaker 1: people were hoping that there would be some clear answer
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Speaker 1: in his brain, like if there were was a brain
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Speaker 1: tumor or something like that that could account for this
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Speaker 1: bizarre behavior. Of course, because there was you know, the
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Speaker 1: problem him is that there couldn't have been something very
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Speaker 1: um serious because he did have such amazing planning. So
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Speaker 1: I mean, it could have been something that was getting
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Speaker 1: more and more serious, but still he had an amazing planning.
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Speaker 1: And in fact, they didn't really find anything, um, absolutely
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Speaker 1: clear that would explain what he did. They found that
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Speaker 1: his brain had some damage from high blood pressure and atherosclerosis,
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Speaker 1: and those things were sort of um, you know, consonant
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Speaker 1: with his age. It was really not that abnormal. They
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Speaker 1: did find some a little something abnormal, which is um,
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Speaker 1: abnormal deposits in his brain, something called copora and malaysia,
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Speaker 1: which um, you know you hear about Alzheimer's disease and uh,
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Speaker 1: that can be related to that. But there really wasn't
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Speaker 1: a huge amount of it enough to make that kind
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Speaker 1: of diagnosis. Um, there was there was. This is also
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Speaker 1: connected sometimes with epilepsy and with multiple sclerosis, but again
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Speaker 1: there wasn't enough for the way it presented itself. They
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Speaker 1: couldn't really make those kinds of diagnoses. They're just saying
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Speaker 1: that this kind of deposit is sometimes found in those
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Speaker 1: in those diagnoses. But the bottom line, the autopsy revealed
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Speaker 1: nothing as to possible motive. But you know, to you
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Speaker 1: Alan Duke, my partner here in Vegas right now, Alan,
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Speaker 1: that I mean, the autopsies would really only divulge or
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Speaker 1: reveal an injury or a physical ailment like Dr Carol
20:39
Speaker 1: is saying, like a tumor. It can't possibly reveal the
20:42
Speaker 1: thought processes going on in the mind at the time
20:46
Speaker 1: of the shooting. Alan, Yeah, you know, people were hoping
20:48
Speaker 1: that this autopsy would give them some answers because, you know,
20:52
Speaker 1: for just an average guy, and Paddocks seemed like a
20:56
Speaker 1: sort of average guy. We want to understand how this
21:01
Speaker 1: could happen. Did he just snap? What caused him to
21:03
Speaker 1: do something like this? Because there are millions of people
21:07
Speaker 1: who couldn't be like Paddock out there and we want
21:09
Speaker 1: to know why. But uh, but we're not getting answers.
21:12
Speaker 1: And and you talk about the crazy theories out there.
21:15
Speaker 1: I mean, I was just as I was talking to
21:16
Speaker 1: some people here in Las Vegas last night here at
21:20
Speaker 1: the hotel. There's some pretty crazy ones out there because
21:23
Speaker 1: they don't think that an average, normal person with the
21:26
Speaker 1: normal brain would do something to school. Bottom line back
21:30
Speaker 1: to you, Brian, Claypool. You've just spent your whole life
21:33
Speaker 1: defending all sorts of crimes the words to the least,
21:39
Speaker 1: and very often a mental defense is a is a
21:42
Speaker 1: theory of defense for you. But really, when you're the
21:46
Speaker 1: victim and you see people all around you going down
21:50
Speaker 1: in a hail of bullets, does it really matter why
21:54
Speaker 1: he did it? He did it, they're dead, and you're
21:57
Speaker 1: at a survivor's meeting until midnight, and Eleanor and I
22:01
Speaker 1: are here in Vegas investigating, and at the end of
22:04
Speaker 1: the day, does it matter why he did it to you? Yeah? Yeah,
22:09
Speaker 1: it's a great question, Nancy, for that's a personal decision
22:14
Speaker 1: for everybody, all the twenty thousand people that were there.
22:17
Speaker 1: I could tell you what I'm feeling, and that is
22:19
Speaker 1: I agree with you. I don't. I care less about
22:23
Speaker 1: motive and more about Let me tell you the second
22:26
Speaker 1: thought I had after I survived for that first round
22:28
Speaker 1: of bullets. I said to myself, I am effing upset
22:32
Speaker 1: about this, and if I live, I'm going to get
22:36
Speaker 1: to the bottom of how this can happen and then
22:40
Speaker 1: do my part. It kind of galvanized my godly purpose
22:43
Speaker 1: in the world. Why am I still here. I'm still
22:46
Speaker 1: here now because I'm representing a lot of victims in
22:48
Speaker 1: this pace. We want to try to prevent this from
22:52
Speaker 1: happening again. So I'm focusing more on what did the
22:56
Speaker 1: Mandalay Bay and mc HIM do wrong in terms of
22:59
Speaker 1: horrible training, having little or no security at all, allowing
23:03
Speaker 1: it to freight elevator, not having an alarm in the
23:06
Speaker 1: window with somebody's drilling holes in the window, not arming
23:09
Speaker 1: the security guards, things like that, the barricaded door, not
23:12
Speaker 1: doing anything about that. I'm focused, I'm galvanized. My focus
23:17
Speaker 1: on how could this happen in a civilized society with
23:21
Speaker 1: people that really care about safeguarding people. To me, the
23:25
Speaker 1: issue is about greed eclipses public safety, and I want
23:29
Speaker 1: to break up that culture of money, money, money at
23:33
Speaker 1: the expense of keeping people saying. So that's my focus.
23:36
Speaker 1: I want to go back to Climb Online investigative reporter
23:39
Speaker 1: John Limley. What else have you learned? John Limley? I mean,
23:43
Speaker 1: Alan has been baiting the street and looking. We've been
23:47
Speaker 1: investigating out here and trying to find out what we
23:51
Speaker 1: can and we've got some very disturbing theories. What do
23:55
Speaker 1: you know, John, what more can you tell us Nancy
23:57
Speaker 1: on the subject of possible motive. He is one thing
24:01
Speaker 1: that emerged. Paddock was a high rolling gambler, but he
24:06
Speaker 1: had been in some declining years as far as raking
24:09
Speaker 1: in the money, um, and so much so that he
24:13
Speaker 1: was beginning to have bouts of depression. And he had
24:16
Speaker 1: been losing quote a significant amount of wealth according to
24:22
Speaker 1: the Clark County Sheriff's office, and that could have been
24:27
Speaker 1: one of the determining factors. Uh in the end, we
24:30
Speaker 1: may never know. You mean losing at the table. Okay,
24:34
Speaker 1: let me tell you something. UM, I'm gonna have to
24:36
Speaker 1: get to Dr Carol on this. Dr Carroll Lieberman joining me,
24:39
Speaker 1: renowned psychilatrist and author of a NIBA Lions, Tigers and Terrorists,
24:43
Speaker 1: and I how to protect your child in a time
24:45
Speaker 1: of terror. You know, I, as many people know from
24:48
Speaker 1: looking at the pictures on Instagram and Facebook, took the
24:52
Speaker 1: children on a an epic RV trip this past spring
24:57
Speaker 1: bright with my mother six year old, who took over
24:59
Speaker 1: half off the RV just so everybody knows, and the
25:02
Speaker 1: four of us lived in the other half not complaining.
25:06
Speaker 1: But uh, Vegas was in our on our trip, so
25:11
Speaker 1: we stayed at the Hard Rock, and every morning we'd
25:14
Speaker 1: get up bright and early and would walk through the casino.
25:17
Speaker 1: There would be people we were going out and about.
25:19
Speaker 1: We went to Hoover Damn. We went into the Grand Canyon,
25:23
Speaker 1: we went everywhere, and we saw David Copperfield blah blah.
25:26
Speaker 1: At seven o'clock in the morning. We would get up
25:31
Speaker 1: and and go and get them something to eat. There
25:33
Speaker 1: were people at the at the slots and gambling, and
25:38
Speaker 1: they look like zombies. And I would say to the twins, twins,
25:42
Speaker 1: look at these poor people. They have gambling addictions and
25:46
Speaker 1: they're losing their rent money right now, and they're smoking
25:50
Speaker 1: and drinking, which are both big no nos. Children. Look
25:53
Speaker 1: what's happening to them. And the children, of course, I'm
25:54
Speaker 1: trying to brainwash them as soon as possible. We're like,
25:57
Speaker 1: oh no, they're smoking. And uh so, they said, Mommy,
26:03
Speaker 1: if you ever gambled, I'm like no. One time I
26:05
Speaker 1: put a quarter in a slot just to know what
26:07
Speaker 1: it felt like, okay, And then they said, well, how
26:09
Speaker 1: did it feel, mom? I said, well, I immediately regretted
26:11
Speaker 1: losing my quarter, but you go ahead and put your
26:14
Speaker 1: quarter in the slot and see how it feels so
26:17
Speaker 1: you know, it's like takes over your mind. It's an
26:21
Speaker 1: addiction like alcohol or drugs. Dr Carroll, Yes, absolutely, and
26:27
Speaker 1: he was doing this for years and years and years,
26:29
Speaker 1: and of course what that did to his mind. You
26:32
Speaker 1: know those late nights. He used to do it a
26:34
Speaker 1: lot at night and you know, do be in that
26:37
Speaker 1: atmosphere and yes, you know that's very Uh, it's very
26:41
Speaker 1: It affects your you physically and psychologically, and um, you
26:46
Speaker 1: know there are a lot of uh and when people
26:49
Speaker 1: start to lose, of course, and mens how addict. The
26:51
Speaker 1: people who are addicted to it, of course, um think,
26:54
Speaker 1: oh well, I just have to keep doing it, Jost.
26:56
Speaker 1: I just do it a little bit more than I'm
26:57
Speaker 1: gonna wear, I'm gonna start winning. And that that's why
27:00
Speaker 1: they can't stop. And also it's connected to family addictions.
27:04
Speaker 1: I've connected to sexual dysfunction, like people who have feel
27:09
Speaker 1: that they have sexual inadequacies and or really do have
27:12
Speaker 1: sexual inadequacies. And that's one of my theories. I have
27:17
Speaker 1: a bunch of psychological theories for why he did this,
27:20
Speaker 1: and one of them is that he was he was
27:22
Speaker 1: losing and gambling and he was also having erectile dysfunction,
27:26
Speaker 1: and um, really one of the key things is that
27:29
Speaker 1: his father, this is what what originally started him off.
27:33
Speaker 1: I believe what white white wait, white, just stop stop
27:36
Speaker 1: stop stop. Uh. How did erectile dysfunction get in there?
27:42
Speaker 1: I mean, apparently based on all the viagra what's the
27:45
Speaker 1: new and Allen that they advertised in all the football guys. Okay,
27:48
Speaker 1: that just rolled off your tongue, not forty finger. I mean,
27:52
Speaker 1: apparently a lot of guys have erectical dysfunction. They're not
27:56
Speaker 1: committing mass murder and forcing my my colleague and France
28:00
Speaker 1: Brian Claypool to crawl on his belly from from bullets.
28:03
Speaker 1: I mean buying Claypool. I am not buying Brian a
28:07
Speaker 1: rectile this function, Okay, because half the neighborhoods and suburban
28:11
Speaker 1: America would be shot at right now. That's that's not
28:14
Speaker 1: working for me, Brian, Brian, are you there? Yeah, I'm here. Yeah,
28:18
Speaker 1: I can't. I'm like Allen, I can't speak to that
28:21
Speaker 1: issue because I don't have that problem. So, but that's
28:24
Speaker 1: not what I was asking. I'm sorry. Okay, everybody, suddenly
28:27
Speaker 1: all the man of defending I'm talking about this is
28:31
Speaker 1: a motive. Suddenly all the men are like, forget the
28:35
Speaker 1: mass shooting, Let's talk about dysfunction. I'm saying, I'm not
28:39
Speaker 1: buying into that that's BS. I'm not saying that that
28:43
Speaker 1: is the only thing that was wrong with him and
28:45
Speaker 1: if that would cause him or anybody else to start
28:47
Speaker 1: shooting up fifty eight people and hundreds more. I'm just
28:51
Speaker 1: trying to put put together a psychological profile because that's
28:55
Speaker 1: what I would do as a what I do do
28:57
Speaker 1: as a forensic psychiatrist. I think the jame thing is
29:01
Speaker 1: that when he was a little boy, you can always
29:03
Speaker 1: trace these things back, and then you put the things
29:06
Speaker 1: that happened more recently on top of them. His father
29:09
Speaker 1: was on the most wanted list of the SBI at
29:12
Speaker 1: one time. And when and when uh Stephen was a
29:16
Speaker 1: little boy, his father was first arrested, he were on banks.
29:19
Speaker 1: And when the when the fens came to arrest his
29:23
Speaker 1: father and the authorities came, his mother lied to him
29:26
Speaker 1: and said that that it was not that he was
29:28
Speaker 1: being arrested arrested, and said that um, he she lied
29:33
Speaker 1: about where his father was, not that he was in
29:36
Speaker 1: jail and so on and um, then his father a
29:40
Speaker 1: street from jail, and the place where he was arrested again,
29:43
Speaker 1: this this second time after he had been on the
29:45
Speaker 1: LAMB for quite some time, was in Vegas. Now, I
29:49
Speaker 1: don't think that that's a coincidence. I think that he
29:52
Speaker 1: was trying to be a batter dude than his father,
29:56
Speaker 1: and that's where the wrecked out this function comes in.
29:59
Speaker 1: And it's not all b No. I want to go
30:00
Speaker 1: back to Brian Claypool. I want to hear about when
30:06
Speaker 1: you finally when you were running. You're crawling along army crawl,
30:12
Speaker 1: the shots are ringing out. You try to protect those
30:15
Speaker 1: two young girls. The guy says, run north. Now you
30:19
Speaker 1: start running. Everybody's running. I can't even imagine what that
30:24
Speaker 1: was like. Brian. Yeah, it's uh, what what? What? What? What?
30:29
Speaker 1: People we talked about this, the survivors, a lot of
30:33
Speaker 1: are are the trauma that weren't dealing with. Is what's
30:38
Speaker 1: called disassociation. If I speak from me, I'm still dealing
30:42
Speaker 1: with this, Carol, you know it's probably what I'm talking about.
30:45
Speaker 1: This association, Nancy means that I'm more disconnected now from
30:51
Speaker 1: the average faulk on the street because I don't feel
30:54
Speaker 1: like they can really relate to what I went through, right,
30:59
Speaker 1: weren't for example, like what we were talking about earlier,
31:02
Speaker 1: which is like, I feel comfortable talk to you. You
31:04
Speaker 1: have committs to kind of get it. What people don't get,
31:07
Speaker 1: for example, is I don't know where. I don't know
31:10
Speaker 1: where the suitors. There was a good point shooters. I
31:14
Speaker 1: was just gonna send shooters. I thought there were several suitors.
31:18
Speaker 1: We all thought people I've talked to her in there.
31:21
Speaker 1: This was a masked terror attack. We thought terrorists were
31:24
Speaker 1: cheating over the city of the Vegas. Okay, this this
31:29
Speaker 1: is upsets me. It angers me because I'm so sick
31:32
Speaker 1: of people minimizing what I went through. Oh, you weren't
31:35
Speaker 1: standing over there where most of the people were killed
31:39
Speaker 1: on that there. Yet a person's killed thirty in front
31:42
Speaker 1: of me. I saw it when I read through the
31:44
Speaker 1: investigative report. Oh well, it was just a guy shooting
31:46
Speaker 1: up in the hotel. Are you freaking who founds around?
31:50
Speaker 1: I mean every movie you made, you thought you were
31:53
Speaker 1: gonna get hit, but we thought people were coming over
31:55
Speaker 1: the fact. Imagine your your error than Nancy is mac
32:00
Speaker 1: a fight ten food? You don't know where this is
32:04
Speaker 1: coming from and every move you make your body. That's
32:08
Speaker 1: the that the to help you have a vivid understanding
32:10
Speaker 1: of what I went to. Every move I need I
32:13
Speaker 1: thought could make it be the difference between life and death.
32:17
Speaker 1: And and even when I got out of the venue,
32:20
Speaker 1: just to fitness a story, I end up at the
32:23
Speaker 1: Tropicana and I'm standing there and I'm breathing, and I'm like,
32:26
Speaker 1: oh my, I think I'm still alive. And then of
32:28
Speaker 1: a sudden there's an announcement, there's a scream, there's a scream,
32:32
Speaker 1: another shooter, and then we're told there's an active shooter
32:36
Speaker 1: shooting in the Tropicana. And then had to rush through
32:41
Speaker 1: the Trafican and saw people's clothing, sweatshirt, shoes strewn everywhere
32:47
Speaker 1: throughout the casino. Okay, so this went on for hours
32:51
Speaker 1: and hours, and maybe you have another sell. I'll tell
32:53
Speaker 1: you about a theory that we talked about the Survivor's
32:56
Speaker 1: group meeting, which is there could be some previous who
33:00
Speaker 1: possibly they're having been another shooting in the Tropicana related
33:05
Speaker 1: to J. Sawny, Priest that was actually in town in
33:09
Speaker 1: Vegas that night, who was supposed to be staying at
33:12
Speaker 1: the Four Seasons that's for another whoa okay, hold on,
33:17
Speaker 1: whoa wait wait, Alan, We've been here in Vegas. We're
33:22
Speaker 1: broadcasting live from Vegas right now, and we have been investigating,
33:26
Speaker 1: talking to so many people. It's like drinking from a
33:29
Speaker 1: fire hydrant. This with the backdrop that we're learning from
33:32
Speaker 1: the autopsy that Stephen Paddock was stone cold sober at
33:38
Speaker 1: the time. It's what I'm learning. But you have learned
33:42
Speaker 1: a lot about what Brian Claypool was saying. Alan, right,
33:46
Speaker 1: and Nancy. I was even reluctant to bring this up
33:49
Speaker 1: because it sounds so it's not another Alan do Bizarro theory.
33:53
Speaker 1: Well it's not my theory, Okay, reluctant to even repeat it.
33:58
Speaker 1: But since Brian brought it up, this is the kind
34:00
Speaker 1: of thing that's going around. I met with a private
34:02
Speaker 1: investigator yesterday who claims to have information from his sources.
34:09
Speaker 1: He says these are people he called crew who worked
34:13
Speaker 1: security for this Saudi prince who owns a number of
34:17
Speaker 1: properties here in Vegas, who was staying at the Tropicana. Now, again,
34:21
Speaker 1: I give you a disclaimer on this. I don't know
34:23
Speaker 1: that there's any validity of this, But when I heard
34:26
Speaker 1: Brian clayper Will mention this theory, I thought I should
34:28
Speaker 1: bring up what I know that the that Stephen Paddock
34:33
Speaker 1: was a diversion on an assassination attempt on the Saudi Prince.
34:39
Speaker 1: And you know there's a lot of unrest or uh positioning,
34:42
Speaker 1: if you will, going on in the Saudi Kingdom right
34:44
Speaker 1: now for control of the kingdom. Uh. There have been
34:47
Speaker 1: some arrest and and and some shuffling around among the
34:50
Speaker 1: royal family, and there's a huge amount of money at
34:53
Speaker 1: stake right so, and and I just listened to this
34:57
Speaker 1: guy and trying to think should we let him on
35:00
Speaker 1: our show or not? Should we bring him in here?
35:02
Speaker 1: And I made the decision that no, because he wasn't
35:05
Speaker 1: able to show me enough evidence to this. But I
35:07
Speaker 1: guess I should bring forward the fact that, yes, there
35:10
Speaker 1: is a private investigator who was telling me all about
35:13
Speaker 1: how this that Paddock wasn't actually that Paddock was set up,
35:17
Speaker 1: which I don't believe. How do you get all the
35:20
Speaker 1: guns up there? Well, this guy was saying, well, the
35:22
Speaker 1: theory is he was a gun runner and he was
35:24
Speaker 1: there to sell the guns. I don't believe that. I
35:28
Speaker 1: think if the police would give more information, more timely information.
35:34
Speaker 1: Perhaps it was help resolve these rumors that are going.
35:39
Speaker 1: I don't think anything should be off the table. One
35:42
Speaker 1: of the things that I've been kind of seeing from
35:44
Speaker 1: from the beginning is that we can't rule out that
35:47
Speaker 1: there was a terrorism connection. The gun powers that they founded,
35:53
Speaker 1: the ammunition that they found in his cart was similar
35:56
Speaker 1: to what terrorists used. UM, the girlfriends who went to
36:00
Speaker 1: the Philippines who we wired money too, and we know
36:02
Speaker 1: that that is a place where there are terrorist cells
36:06
Speaker 1: and so on. There is a number of different things
36:08
Speaker 1: that would make it so that the police shouldn't rule
36:11
Speaker 1: out am I saying that they have. I don't know
36:12
Speaker 1: what you've been hearing just now in Vegas, but UM,
36:16
Speaker 1: I do not believe we should rule out terrorism. I
36:18
Speaker 1: want to go back to John Lemley, investigative reporter joining
36:21
Speaker 1: us along with the Vegas shooting survivor, our friend Brian
36:26
Speaker 1: Claypool and Dr Carol Laberman and Alan Deep. John Lemley,
36:31
Speaker 1: what more have you learned? One thing? And this uh
36:35
Speaker 1: is well the people making of it perhaps more than
36:40
Speaker 1: it is. It could be just a typo. But one thing.
36:44
Speaker 1: When the post mortem examination results were released on October six,
36:50
Speaker 1: UM one line right below Stephen Paddock's name. Date of
36:55
Speaker 1: death is October second, time of death twelve hundred hours
37:03
Speaker 1: twelve hundred not midnight, that is noon on October two. However,
37:09
Speaker 1: this could have been simply a clerical era, but it's
37:13
Speaker 1: one that still has caught people's attention. We've learned. Uh,
37:18
Speaker 1: the reports now revealing the gunman was not under the
37:21
Speaker 1: influence of drugs or other substances when he shot open
37:25
Speaker 1: fire at the crowd during Jason Alden's event closing set Injuring.
37:31
Speaker 1: Now we believe up to eight hundred people. It showed
37:35
Speaker 1: he did have anxiety anti anxiety drugs in his system,
37:39
Speaker 1: but not enough to be under the influence. He was
37:42
Speaker 1: believed at one point to be bipolar. Uh, but so
37:47
Speaker 1: far nothing to suggest that any drug or alcohol influence
37:53
Speaker 1: made him open fire. Back to you, Brian Claypool, you
37:59
Speaker 1: serve drived. How has it affected your family? Yes? So
38:04
Speaker 1: here here's what I'm going through. Nancy and I I
38:07
Speaker 1: read a post the other day that really helped me
38:12
Speaker 1: deal with this trauma. It's the post on Facebook was
38:16
Speaker 1: Rea wasn't survivors because it said true courage. It's complete vulnerability.
38:22
Speaker 1: Think about that for a second true courage. It's complete vulnerability.
38:26
Speaker 1: You've gone through this in your life with the tragedy
38:28
Speaker 1: at Okay, That's how I've to deal with this from front,
38:32
Speaker 1: and that's why I've spoken a lot about not only
38:35
Speaker 1: the shooting, but what I'm not afraid to say what
38:37
Speaker 1: I'm going through. Okay, And here's what I'm going through
38:39
Speaker 1: because I need to be vulnerable for me to get
38:42
Speaker 1: my courage back, because I'm a little bit beaten down
38:44
Speaker 1: from this. Here's what I'm experiencing catastrophic thoughts for example.
38:49
Speaker 1: And I know you're gonna get sad hearing this. And
38:51
Speaker 1: a week ago, I'm driving my little girl back from
38:53
Speaker 1: school and I'm on the freeway and I get this
38:57
Speaker 1: thought as I'm driving, and I'm driving in the car
39:00
Speaker 1: right Porpolan is close to the media and then the
39:03
Speaker 1: up traffic coming in on the other side of the
39:04
Speaker 1: freeway so we could go. I'm just driving with my
39:06
Speaker 1: daughter in the back seat, and then a thought comes
39:08
Speaker 1: over me that a car is gonna hit me from
39:10
Speaker 1: the side, fish tail me and push my car into
39:14
Speaker 1: the other lane of traffic, and a truck is going
39:17
Speaker 1: to smash our car. And I'm gonna watch my daughter
39:19
Speaker 1: dying needed kill. So these are so things are happening
39:23
Speaker 1: in my world. I had a nightmare we could go
39:25
Speaker 1: about an earthquake. An earthquake was happening, and my little
39:29
Speaker 1: girl and I are rushing to the out of the
39:31
Speaker 1: house as the ceiling is following on us. That's one
39:35
Speaker 1: thing that I'm going through, catastrophic thoughts. There was another
39:39
Speaker 1: part of it is I'm very much more anti social now. Um,
39:43
Speaker 1: I don't really like being around people much. I don't
39:45
Speaker 1: really trust people anymore. I don't really feel sweet anywhere
39:50
Speaker 1: I go. I kind of always constantly looking around my
39:53
Speaker 1: shoulders wherever I'm at. I don't trust anybody. And and
39:57
Speaker 1: then I think the biggest, one of the biggest things
39:59
Speaker 1: for me is I feel like part of my soul
40:03
Speaker 1: was killed. I told people is I might not have
40:05
Speaker 1: been physically hit by a bullet, but part of my
40:08
Speaker 1: soul gude in that shooting. So I'm having struggles with
40:13
Speaker 1: the deally routines of life. In other words, I you
40:16
Speaker 1: know me, I'm I focused on my law firm. I
40:19
Speaker 1: take care of my daughter first, like I did, keep
40:22
Speaker 1: my business going. But I gotta tell you every day
40:25
Speaker 1: tasks of getting my bills paid, finally getting my car
40:29
Speaker 1: to the car washed the other day, having tons of
40:32
Speaker 1: stuff in my car that I hadn't taken out. Little
40:35
Speaker 1: things in life that you think you knocked out one
40:37
Speaker 1: to three had become really really big task for me
40:42
Speaker 1: because I just don't feel like I have this same
40:44
Speaker 1: Do you know what's interesting, Brian. You know what's interesting,
40:49
Speaker 1: Brian is that I don't know if this is good
40:52
Speaker 1: knees or bad knees to this day, and Keith was
40:56
Speaker 1: murdered a long time ago. I to this day, I
41:02
Speaker 1: joke about it a lot, and I joke about it
41:05
Speaker 1: with the other parents at school and the teachers, and
41:08
Speaker 1: it's kind of a joke to them. But I will
41:12
Speaker 1: go to the school at all times of the day
41:15
Speaker 1: and drive by and I make a joke. I'll call
41:18
Speaker 1: my husband on the phone or um, I might have
41:20
Speaker 1: Alan on the phone, and I'll go, You'll go, where
41:23
Speaker 1: are you? I'm driving through the twins school, just making
41:26
Speaker 1: sure they're not in lockdown. You know that everything's okay,
41:29
Speaker 1: ha ha ha. I'm not kidding. And I still have
41:33
Speaker 1: the nightmares. I still everything. It affects you for the
41:40
Speaker 1: rest of your life. Now I've gone on. I function.
41:45
Speaker 1: I mean, there have been periods of times that I
41:47
Speaker 1: really couldn't and all I had was prosecuting or my
41:51
Speaker 1: my job, having your daughter. It it it's healing because
41:57
Speaker 1: you you have to get normalized. You have to for her,
42:02
Speaker 1: you know, you know, Brian, Yeah, yeah, thank you for that.
42:08
Speaker 1: I just wanted to say, Brian, you know that those
42:10
Speaker 1: are classic symptoms of PTSD. Right, Yeah, no, you're you're right.
42:16
Speaker 1: I'm I'm drinking. Um was a therapist. I'm seeing her
42:20
Speaker 1: on a weekly basis to night. Yeah, that's what that's
42:25
Speaker 1: what she's diagnosic. Here's another thing I learned, Brian. I
42:28
Speaker 1: learned that it affects your whole world. Like you know,
42:32
Speaker 1: after Keith was murdered, I went on, I met David.
42:35
Speaker 1: I couldn't let myself marry, or be happy or or
42:39
Speaker 1: love anybody. And that's why I was so crazy mean
42:43
Speaker 1: as the prosecutor all those years. I mean I looked
42:46
Speaker 1: at everybody and they were like, if I let this
42:48
Speaker 1: guy go on a theft, he could get out shoot somebody,
42:51
Speaker 1: then it's on me. Oh hell no, he's got to
42:53
Speaker 1: go to jail. And everybody if they came to into
42:56
Speaker 1: my courtroom was just like woe is you? Because that's
43:00
Speaker 1: where I was coming from, and I couldn't move forward.
43:04
Speaker 1: And you know what what it ended in is me
43:07
Speaker 1: and Lucy almost dying in childbirth because all those years
43:13
Speaker 1: I couldn't let go and be happy and have love.
43:18
Speaker 1: I couldn't have love because in my mind it was wrong.
43:22
Speaker 1: Would you know I still love Keith and I couldn't
43:24
Speaker 1: let go. And as a result, you know, because of
43:27
Speaker 1: my delay giving birth so late in life, you know what,
43:30
Speaker 1: Lucy almost died there. So it affects every it seeps
43:35
Speaker 1: into every part of your Thank you for sharing that.
43:38
Speaker 1: By the way, I really thank you for sharing that
43:40
Speaker 1: because you just validated something that I'm I'm I haven't
43:43
Speaker 1: really publicly mentioned this, but I'm going through something similar
43:47
Speaker 1: to what you're going through. Um you know, I'm still single.
43:50
Speaker 1: I want to meet a woman to get married. I'd
43:52
Speaker 1: love to have another kid, even though it's later in life.
43:54
Speaker 1: But for me, I even before the shooting, I hadn't seensed.
43:58
Speaker 1: My mom died when I was a little, real, a
44:00
Speaker 1: really little kid, bread breast cancer. My dad was alcoholic,
44:03
Speaker 1: never around. I was basically orphaned as a kid and
44:06
Speaker 1: raising myself my little sister, and so I've never had
44:11
Speaker 1: a feeling of trusting a family foundation. I've always you know,
44:15
Speaker 1: I ruined my relationship with my daughter's mom. I should
44:17
Speaker 1: have gotten married. I couldn't trust. I already had trust
44:21
Speaker 1: issues with marriage, right, trusting this could be a safe
44:25
Speaker 1: place for me. Then the shooting happens, and now it's
44:28
Speaker 1: like I tried and not trying to go on a
44:30
Speaker 1: date a couple of weeks ago, and I was just
44:31
Speaker 1: so disconnected from the whole thing. I'm like, now I'm
44:35
Speaker 1: feeling like, am I ever gonna Maybe I will never
44:39
Speaker 1: have a family now because I just can't. That's what
44:42
Speaker 1: I thought, That's what I thought. But I'm begging you.
44:46
Speaker 1: I'm begging you. Don't do what I did. That's my
44:50
Speaker 1: message to crime victims all the time. Don't stop your
44:55
Speaker 1: life like I did. Don't That's if I had just
44:59
Speaker 1: been able to just move forward. And when you hear
45:04
Speaker 1: all these theories and you hear John Limley reporting, I mean,
45:09
Speaker 1: how does that affect you when you hear all this
45:11
Speaker 1: this news developing? Brian, Yeah, Well, believe it or not,
45:17
Speaker 1: that they asked that part actually helps me. Being involved
45:20
Speaker 1: in this litigation um and helping these victims. Uh. You know,
45:25
Speaker 1: I've got a woman who lost a luck one, her
45:28
Speaker 1: son was killed. She lives in Alaska's got about fifteen
45:33
Speaker 1: people that have been physically injured in the shooting, and
45:36
Speaker 1: I've got about twenty people that are suffering from PTSD.
45:40
Speaker 1: And I have to tell you, Nancy, every single client
45:43
Speaker 1: that I represent in the Las Vegas shooting, it's an
45:46
Speaker 1: honor and a privilege to be representing them because I
45:50
Speaker 1: feel like I'm going to get answers through representing them
45:54
Speaker 1: in this case and being at the forefront of this case,
45:57
Speaker 1: and then that is going to be therapy for me
46:00
Speaker 1: to into another word, to carry out what my godly
46:02
Speaker 1: purposes surviving. So that is actually feeling me this part
46:07
Speaker 1: hearing all this. You know, I want you Alan to tell,
46:13
Speaker 1: after all the hours we put in out here, what
46:17
Speaker 1: you have learned to Brian Claypool, any of the evidence,
46:21
Speaker 1: any of the theories I've I didn't know the Saldi
46:26
Speaker 1: Prince theory in its entirety until you told me. I'm
46:29
Speaker 1: not ruling anything out. I don't really necessarily buy that,
46:32
Speaker 1: but my mind is open. I want to hear every
46:34
Speaker 1: every theory every fact that we know. One of the
46:38
Speaker 1: people I talked to last night UH said that one
46:43
Speaker 1: of the theories is that Paddock was a gun runner.
46:46
Speaker 1: He had all those guns, I mean they found many,
46:48
Speaker 1: many high powered guns, and that he with others were
46:53
Speaker 1: selling guns globally and that that was part of why
46:57
Speaker 1: all those guns were up here. But the theory was
47:00
Speaker 1: he was set up and that he was not the shooter. Again,
47:05
Speaker 1: now that we have this autopsy report that is now out,
47:09
Speaker 1: we've got a little bit more Keeping in mind another
47:11
Speaker 1: person was arrested recently involved in providing ammunition to him.
47:16
Speaker 1: But we still have so many unanswered questions and until
47:20
Speaker 1: we get some answers, and unfortunately, in a case like this,
47:23
Speaker 1: Pattock isn't going to go on trial, so we're not
47:25
Speaker 1: gonna have all the discovery that we would normally have.
47:28
Speaker 1: So there probably will be a lot of un answered
47:31
Speaker 1: questions for many years and a lot of theories out there,
47:34
Speaker 1: and Nancy among the theories running around UH that could
47:39
Speaker 1: point to his being involved with someone else's The amount
47:43
Speaker 1: of time he was in Vegas before the shoot shooting.
47:47
Speaker 1: He drove down from his home about eighty miles north
47:51
Speaker 1: on September, he stated, a couple of different hotels over
47:55
Speaker 1: the course of a week or so. Then on September,
47:59
Speaker 1: pat arrives at the Mandalais Bay Uh. This is quite
48:03
Speaker 1: a number of days before the shooting. He was greeted
48:06
Speaker 1: like royalty because, as we've mentioned before, he was a
48:09
Speaker 1: frequent high stakes gambler at the hotel's casino, and the
48:12
Speaker 1: hotel so appreciated his business that they had reserved him
48:16
Speaker 1: a complimentary room, a room number thirty two. Four days later,
48:22
Speaker 1: he checks into the neighboring suite, the room next door
48:25
Speaker 1: which connects to that first room, and both suites overlook
48:29
Speaker 1: that side of the shooting Las Vegas village. He placed
48:32
Speaker 1: to do not disturb sign on the door, organize the
48:35
Speaker 1: room stockpiled, as Alan mentioned an arsenal of weapons, and
48:40
Speaker 1: the day of the shooting, he actually interacted with Mandalais
48:45
Speaker 1: Bay employees more than ten times during the day, including
48:49
Speaker 1: just in the hour before that. But it was very
48:53
Speaker 1: telling that when he checked into the hotel, Clark County
48:57
Speaker 1: Sheriff's Department employees say that carried more than ten suitcases
49:03
Speaker 1: into his hotel suite. Brian Claypool, I want to hear
49:06
Speaker 1: your message to other victims of the Vegas shooter that
49:10
Speaker 1: managed to survive, Yeah, thanks Nancy. My message would be
49:14
Speaker 1: take the time to understand and crystallize why you survived.
49:20
Speaker 1: That's what That's what's getting me through this. I've gone
49:23
Speaker 1: from why me? Why am I alive? Two? What am
49:29
Speaker 1: I going to do for the rest of my life
49:32
Speaker 1: to make a difference? Now I'm on the impact part
49:34
Speaker 1: of my life. So I would encourage survivors to amid
49:38
Speaker 1: managing their trauma, Like Carol said, the PTSD that everybody's
49:41
Speaker 1: going to have, who is there, try to seek you
49:44
Speaker 1: out why it is you have these precious remaining years
49:48
Speaker 1: left on this planet, and and make a difference in
49:51
Speaker 1: impact people in this country in any way you can.
49:55
Speaker 1: That's my best message. Nancy Grace and Alan Duke line
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Speaker 1: in Vegas with crime Stories, signing off goodbye friend.