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56. Brujas & Beheadings: La Bruja de Monterrey & The Headless Horseman · Amigos, Afraid!

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Welcome back to another episode of Amigos Afraid.
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This week we're back in Mexico and I'll be talking about La
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Bruja de Monterrey, a witch that terrorized the city for years.
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And we're also chasing the Headless Horseman from ancient
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folklore and the infamous Legend of Sleepy Hollow.
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So grab your flashlight and saddle up, because apparently
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losing your head doesn't mean you have to stop haunting
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people. Do you feel it?
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You feel the energy shift. I cleansed the room today at the
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request of one of my coworkers who I told her what we were up
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to last week. Is that what that smell is?
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Yes, it was Palo Santo. I was giving more like black
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ice. Oh no, no, I'm not a fuck boy.
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Yeah, it smells like black ice and cherry.
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No, no, no, That's my car. But specifically like the little
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circle. Oh my God.
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With aluminum full lid. Speaking of stomach hurting,
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those make my stomach hurt just by smelling them.
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Damn I I used to go hard for those, not going to lie.
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The ones that sit in your cup holder, no.
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I can't like it's like super satisfying like was like.
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Just like you can get that satisfaction now out of eating
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your what is it, your sardines? Which I have some sitting there
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and the shelf and I haven't ate them.
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Sardine scented air freshener right in your cabinet.
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I will bring it next time. Next time you give me a ride.
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Hello everyone, welcome back to Amigos.
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Afraid. Happy.
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Thursday. Guys, we've been really actively
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posting on TikTok and every once in a while something will take
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off. But in the last week we've had a
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lot of people like saving some of the episode trailers.
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So if you're new here, we would like to introduce ourselves.
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This might be your first time at the weekly A A meeting.
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Welcome to the weekly A a meeting.
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I'm Brian. No, Jerry, you have to tell
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them. Like honestly.
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OK, OK. I'm Jerry and he's Brian.
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That was a weird to hear you say, but yes, that's Jerry.
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I am Brian and this is Amigos Afraid, a weekly podcast where
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every Thursday we hang out, we chit chat and we talk about what
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haunted us this week. That's a lot of things.
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We always start the episode with the little cheeseman session, De
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stressing whatever happened in the last week that's exciting.
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We want to tell you guys. We hope that when you're
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listening to us, you kind of get to feel like you're part of the
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room, get to vent, get to just kick your feet up, get a blanket
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and just hang. Excuse me, out with us.
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When you're driving down the freeway, you kick your feet up,
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you really just lean back in your chair.
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Grab a blanket, some coffee. And if you have something to to
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tell us, just like, say it out loud.
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Yeah, possible. No one's going to know.
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Yeah, your windows are tinted. Exactly, I hope mine aren't
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super hot. People see me pick my nose and
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just sing at the top of my lungs.
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That's crazy, Brian. You're how old?
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I'm raw dog and life man good as you should with my untinted
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windows. That's that's pretty wild, but
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you have some bomb AC, so there's that.
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We're so happy that you're here today.
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Thank you for being you're with us and enjoying this beautiful
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Thursday. Yeah, introduce yourself.
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Put your name in the comments or something.
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What's your name? Wow, that's a beautiful name.
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I've never seen it spelled like that.
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Whoa, that's so cool. In the, is that an an
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apostrophe? Yeah.
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Is that three ES right next to each other?
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I've never seen Ashley felt like that.
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That's so cool. It's like a gamertag almost.
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Oh my God. Yeah.
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OK, Freaky Gamer 234. It's a beautiful name.
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Oh, Brian, what have you been up to?
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A whole lot of nothing. I've been so lazy the last like
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2 weeks. I just, I just want to chill.
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I went to a party on Saturday. You were there.
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I was there. I don't remember.
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It was just kidding. Liz's pre birthday bash in
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conjunction with a bunch of her dog.
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Yeah, when I tell you that this little dog is a baby cow, it was
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just an old man. Define what you mean by baby
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cow. It's.
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A little baby cat with a pattern.
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It's like the black and white pattern, but he's just so sweet
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and just wants to be carried all the time.
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It's the best. I'm like what?
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Characteristics are giving cow He's so tiny he has no teeth.
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He is a baby cow. Oh, you know what it is?
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It's the tongue. It's the tongue he does have,
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like cow. Tongue where?
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Yeah, it just. Yeah, it just falls out.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then his color pattern.
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Yeah, yeah. That's I got some good pictures
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with him and my poncho T-shirt that I made.
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Oh my God, tell him what you did.
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So shout out to Matt for printing some prints.
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Transferable prints to iron on to my shirt.
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So I put a little small, like 5 by 4 logo.
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I don't know, I cut it out and put it in like my front chest.
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Pocket area? Yeah.
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Like what? Traditional.
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Merchants are and then in the back I had a blown up picture
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like 12 by something picture of him huge and he just looks all
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like. Not to say Jerry has a big back,
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but it was big. I just called, called.
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I just got called the big back. No, no, I'm just saying it was a
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big picture on your back. Gotcha, gotcha, gotcha.
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And then together, it's a big. Picture on your back.
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Yeah, huge picture on my big back.
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You said it. I gotcha.
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And yeah, it was super cute and it transferred super cool and it
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was really good. So it was a hit.
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You walked in and people were so shocked.
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I commit. I did mention that I wanted to
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do something like that, so I committed because that's my boy
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Pancho. Love you dude.
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I love when my friends are just so committed to a bit.
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Jerry, I appreciate you. Thank you, I was there, it was
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super fun. Happy early birthday to Liz.
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I love you, Liz. Love you Pancho.
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Yeah, and I mean what? I was just talking to you about
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this. I went to another concert on
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Sunday, which was super cool. Went to a metal concert with
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Matt Frenchy and their friend Greg and it was super fun.
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Shout out to them. I had a great time, ran around
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the mosh pit for a bit, just for a bit.
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Is that why you're so bruised up?
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No, no, no, where, where else am I bruised up as this kid?
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Oh, I was like what the fuck? Was like that was so that's
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CERN. Remember that bruises you don't
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remember having I'll I'll touch on that later.
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Okay, very vital part to my story today, actually
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interesting, but oh, OK, you were you were throwing hands,
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throwing fists, throwing ass. Not, not ass.
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You don't do it in the mosh. Not in the mosh, but I mean
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maybe in some. If I was in the mosh.
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You can throwing ass. I would love to see that, Brian.
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Actually, can you explain what a mosh is to me because I think
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I'm lost. It's just a a pit, a a man made
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pit in a crowd of people and people are just throwing it
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down. OK, what does that mean?
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Because I think it's throwing at.
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Like pushing, punching, kicking, genuinely jumping deliberately.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like you're moshing.
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I thought it was just like really aggressive, like dancing
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where you kind of shoving each other, not like.
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The majority of people are shoving each other like that.
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I think that's the point of it, because you're just so hyped and
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the music is going so crazy and stuff.
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But there's some people that be throwing elbows and kicks and
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doing some wacky dances that are like very violent.
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OK, I don't want to be in the match pit.
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I've changed my mind. But you can be the one to change
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it and throw ass. Be the one.
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You could be the one. No, because I don't want to get
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a fist anywhere near my ass. Respectfully.
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Respectfully, OK, I I some. People might enjoy that.
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Yeah, you're right. Yeah, I get you, because it was
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super fun, had a great time. I saw that once again.
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But you have just been to a concert, dude.
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You have been. That's 2.
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Weeks in a row. That you've been a little
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concert boy, a concert goer. Yep, Yep, Yep.
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It was so funny because I didn't mention it today and the person
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who I was talking to was like, oh, did you go to the Carol G
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concert? I'm like, no, but I I did see
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that that was happening too. Oh.
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That would have been. So good.
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Yeah, yeah, there. You could have thrown ass for
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sure. Oh.
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Absolutely, I would have been in my seat last row closest to God
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throwing ass. So the heavens can all see you.
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Yeah, that's awesome. And then wow, I'm, I'm jealous.
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I wish I was going to concerts. You should go I'll.
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Consider. It because that's the thing.
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Would you go? Not to, not to the concerts
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you're going. Oh, OK.
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I wouldn't. I would have gone to Motionless
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and Light. I know I would have known maybe
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3 songs on that set list. I would have had a good time
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when the screaming started. I would have gone to go get a
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drink. So you would have been gone 90%
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of the show. Oh yeah?
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Well, I don't know their whole. The majority of it, yeah, Yeah.
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Oh, but you would have had a great time at the bar.
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I would have gone ham when they started singing sunglasses at
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night, did they? They did.
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Love that for you. They did.
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It was pretty awesome. That's beautiful.
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I'm glad you had a great weekend.
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Thank you, friend. That's kind of it.
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I mean, oh, I dyed my hair. Oh again, he did walk in looking
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a little extra Mexican. I did.
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I did. I'm back to brown, like dark
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brown. Like I'm not blonde anymore, so
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no more blonde. Yeah, it was.
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It was giving surfers collect the frosted tips were starting
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to like show more. That's so 90s and Y2K.
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It's like on trend. I'm good, all blonde, cool the
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frosted tips and stuff. I wasn't a fan.
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If only we had given him a Bali osh or something like let it
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grow out more naturally. Like with my mullet, we're just
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like. More full.
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Yeah, sure. But we got rid of the mullet, so
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I did. Hey, Jerry's having a
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transformation, but we support it.
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Thank you. Yeah, that means a lot.
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You'd need Erica. I'm wearing a hat, I got one
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like 2 weeks ago. That damn dude, it's time.
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It's time. OK.
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I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding.
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I'm just kidding. No, no, no, no, no.
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Please. It is.
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I'll buy you McDonald's. I'll buy you McDonald's.
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Don't cry. Don't cry.
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Don't cry. That was that's a core memory
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for me buying McDonald's. But just telling my brother not
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not to cry and I'll buy him something.
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Yeah. No, no, no.
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Like I'll go buy a toy. What a Dick.
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That's funny. Well then I have to ask your
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friend what haunted you this week?
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I'm so glad you asked because this week I was haunted.
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Was it not having a haircut? No.
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Oh. Although I would love to see
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Christian again. Shout out, Christian.
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This week I've been haunted by how badly I speak Spanish these
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days. Nice.
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Which? And English, which frustrates me
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because I'll be with family at parties, OK, and I can hold a
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conversation just fine. I know my basic Spanish, I can
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talk to people, I can translate basic sentences.
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I can do it for my dad all the time.
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I can confirm. Thank you.
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But sometimes they will be Yip, yapping, having a good time,
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kikiing OK, and a joke will come into my head and then I don't
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have the words for it in Spanish OK.
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And it pains me. It literally pains me because I
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know it would be so funny but I don't have the vocab.
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Gotcha, I've been there. I genuinely think that is my
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biggest character flaw, my inability to tell a really good
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joke in Spanish. On top of the obvious one.
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The haircut. Yeah.
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Thin ice, Jerry. Real thin ice.
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I remember whose house you're in.
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So this week I started my rewatch of Rebelle to try and
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expand my Spanish vocabulary. That's literally why I'm
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watching. I'm grabbing the temples of my
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head because I sat down in his couch as soon as I walked in and
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he's like, how? What do I put?
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I know what to put. Like immediately after he
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mentioned he said that first and then he put on.
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Rebelle starts playing Episode 12.
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So maybe in a few weeks I'll have a new like Fresa accent.
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What's that Good? No, Jerry, not the so Porto.
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That's what I've learned this week.
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These are show lines like. I can see these being said.
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In the show, I don't really know what it means, especially the
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NOLA. So Porto, like, always say that
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when they're so pissed. Yeah, especially at Roberta, My
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favorite. Like I can't stand her.
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Yeah, but support that in my head means like support.
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So I could have the bad translation.
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Gotcha. It just in my head, OK,
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everything ties in Jerry, all of it.
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So this novella is like a 2004 time capsule, OK?
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I watched it when it aired. I was like 8 or 9.
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And I remember one time there was a scene where the main girls
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were in bikinis and my babysitter saw me watching.
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And she's like, no, yeah, no. So no.
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Buzz me that I was 9. Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure.
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A valid She's just like this is not appropriate for children.
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Little did she know, I had no interest in the women, did not
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even acknowledge the fact that they were in bikinis because I
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was focused on the shirtless men.
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Gotcha, gotcha. I really did not watch for a
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good like 3 months because she wouldn't let me put it on and it
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would come on at like 4 or five in the afternoon.
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When you were home after school. I know, and I'm waiting for my
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mom to pick me up. Yeah, never got home early
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enough to watch it over today. Wow.
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Anyways, in the first episode we meet Miguel, my favorite.
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He's so handsome. The actor too.
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He's aged well, not anymore. He was aging like fine wine.
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Saw him recently, looks like an old man.
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His whole back story is that he's from Monterrey and his dad
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was killed or something. I don't know yet.
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I don't remember any of the plot lines.
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Tragic. And for some reason Monterrey
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like pinged in my brain. I was like, why do I know that
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city? What happened there?
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And boom, it came to me. Have you ever heard of La Bruja
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de Monterrey? No, but I've heard of La Monca
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the. No similar vein, different, not
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related, but actually no one's really fun.
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The other one's really scary. Oh, OK, I'll let you you can say
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which one is which at the end of this.
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OK, I'm down. So this week officially, I'm
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haunted by La Bruja de Monterrey, a witch who
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terrorized the city for over 2 years.
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La Bruja de Monterrey, which translates to the Witch of
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Monterrey which is the city of Mexico, is believed to be an
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evil woman flying around the city at night.
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From 2004 to 2006, there have been multiple sightings and
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alleged run insurance with the witch.
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The sightings range from local eyewitness accounts to
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professional paranormal investigators with video
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evidence. Whoa.
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You've never heard of her? No, I feel like I've seen a lot
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of video footage of witches and trees walking around in like a
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forest and people tracking them or like in a cemetery where
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they're like, Yep, those are witches and they're like
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following these like close figures but they never get close
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enough. You just see little glimpses of
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them. I'll show you the video because
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it is unfortunately nothing like that.
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But it was, from what I understand, a viral video
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before, like YouTube and stuff, OK.
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It was like on Premier Impacto it was.
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Big. This girl had news coverage
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every time she was seen. It was a huge deal, honestly.
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A local legend? An icon maybe?
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Let me paint the picture of what the Mexican beliefs of witches
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look like. According to author Marco
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Antonio Molina, Mexican witches have a broad range of abilities.
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They mostly appear at night in their original forms, as they
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can take on multiple types of disguises during the day.
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Typically they take on the form of a woman, though some even say
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that they can be seen as balls of light, like on the horizon.
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OK, I've I've heard of that. I've also heard like of like
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flaming balls like that, like you jump into that the sky like.
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In like far forest and stuff I've heard of that.
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That's exactly what he described.
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Amazing. What do you envision when you
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think of a bruja like? A cloaked figure.
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You can't tell if they're 80 or sickly looking like older for
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sure. So yeah, like into like the like
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a Crone. Oh, that's a good like that a
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Crone. That's what I am.
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Tabulary word. Thank you.
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Well. When they're in human form,
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they're able to take on husbands who don't know that they've
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married a witch. They live amongst locals and do
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a pretty good job of blending it.
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Molina continues, saying that witches feed off the blood of
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babies by sucking on their skin while the mother is distracted.
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If you ever find a sudden bruise on your body, it's because a
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witch snuck in and fed off of you.
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Wow, very like vampire like. I know I have never heard that.
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No puncture wounds, just they're sucking the blood through the
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skin. Wow.
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Precipitation. Awesome, we'll get the blood out
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of there somehow. If the mother is distracted too
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often, she risks the chance of a witch stealing their baby.
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Sounds like a lesson. Yeah, it's like giving old wives
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tale. Like just one of those dichos.
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Similarly, they feed off the blood of virgins.
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No wonder you're all bruised up. Sucking their blood allows the
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blue hat to remain youthful, body snatched.
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Then they use that body to lure in a man who will ultimately
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marry them and do their bidding. Like help find babies and women
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to feed off of. How dare you?
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Let's get into the first sighting.
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In 2004, a police officer was doing his nightly patrol when he
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swore a witch fell from a tree and attacked him.
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The nerve. The officer's name was Leonardo
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Samaniego. He was a member of the Guadalupe
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Municipal Police In 2024. He recounted his experience from
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20 years ago with the publication De La Diario, so
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this is directly from him. OK, cool.
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Sorry guys, if I'm butchering my Spanish it's because I'm only on
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episode 12 of Rebelle. He's almost there, guys.
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I have a lot to learn. This is like 404 episodes.
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This is Rebelle. Lingo.
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He claims that it started as a typical shift.
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It was January of 2004. For most of the night, he sat in
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his car and nothing super exciting had happened.
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However, everything changed. When the Fire Nation attacked.
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Guess at what time? 2:00 in the morning.
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Oh, you're so close. Is it 3?
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It's three, OK. Everything changed at 3:00 AM I.
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Forget when the witching hour is, it's from times of like 2 to
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4. Whatever the range range.
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It's a broad range. They have a lot of time on their
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hands, apparently. He was in the middle of
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following a suspicious car that was the most exciting part of
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the night, he said. That car looks a little weird,
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let me follow it. When he saw something fall from
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a tree, at first he thought it was a black trash bag because it
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was kind of moving with the wind.
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It was like this. Do you ever feel like a black
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trash bag floating through the wind gonna attack a man?
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The bag stopped a few inches in the air before hitting the
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ground. I'm just floating there.
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I'm walking now, Brian. I'll talk to you later.
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That's when he realized he was looking at the back of a woman
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dressed in all black like you said.
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She turned midair before touching the ground to face him
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and started heading towards the car.
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OK, got the one 80s. As soon as he saw that her eyes
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were pitch black, he grabbed his radio and he said please said
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help someone, please, said the captain.
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Anyone. He did not like this lady's
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vibes. He was not impressed that she's
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able to just float. Yeah, yeah.
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I wouldn't be there. Well, he was right because the
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witch launched at him and tried to reach through the windshield.
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He reversed out of there just as the witch flew away.
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He said he saw her like horizontally flying like like
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Superman. Superman.
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Wow. Super Witch.
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So now, 20 years later, reflecting on the experience, he
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said that she had no wrinkles, looked to be somewhere in her
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late 40s and was wearing a black poncho with a hood.
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Stylish. He was so shocked by the alleged
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attack that when his supervisor showed up, he collapsed in his
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arms and started crying. He's so happy to see him.
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Oh. OK, I thought of like like fear.
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Well, yeah, he was so scared. He was happy.
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That he was like, relieved there.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Within minutes of him saying he
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was attacked by Ibruja, the local news was there trying to
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get the inside scoop the same night.
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I wonder how they got news of it.
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How does the news get the news? I'm thinking maybe someone had
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like a transponder and was listening into like the radio
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calls because I know that's how at least like from the true
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crime podcast, I've listened to that.
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Any kind of media people, that's how they find out where the
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police are going and how they end up showing up the night.
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Of wow, because. They're like intercepting the
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radio waves for some reason, and they're like a body was found on
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this street. So Ivan, Ivan he's.
21:44
Muscles out of water, the water, the sidewalk.
21:47
Local man attacked by which? You can find videos online of
21:51
his little interview that night. They interviewed him while he
21:54
was getting checked out by paramedics.
21:56
Like this was a huge ordeal. They did a whole flash like
22:00
thing also in front of him to like make sure he was his pupils
22:02
weren't dilated or anything, trying to make sure he wasn't
22:05
under the influence of any kind of drugs or alcohol.
22:07
OK, sober. Alert and responsive.
22:10
Very. He swore it was a witch and in
22:12
that interview he says he had black eyes and had dark skin to
22:17
try to attack him. Honestly, the officer became a
22:20
small time celebrity and was interviewed kind of periodically
22:23
around Halloween time just for his expertise in dealing with
22:27
the witch. In another interview I saw of
22:30
him, the interviewer was asking him what does someone need to
22:33
wear in order to look like a real witch and I think he said
22:37
oh you have to have a black hood and a messy black wig.
22:42
But I guess he became an expert. He ended up leaving the police
22:45
force to become. A No.
22:47
When they interviewed him that second time, he was still in a
22:49
police uniform. Wow, he just had a a witch
22:51
badge. Witch Hunter.
22:52
Badge, I don't think he realized that his alleged experience
22:57
would flow up to the extent that it did because it was like pop
23:02
culture legend at the time. Yeah, Samaniego kind of gave us
23:06
the groundwork. There's a scary lady defying
23:09
physics somewhere out there in Monterrey.
23:11
In 2004, the Internet was way different than what it is now.
23:15
If you didn't catch the story during the nightly news, you
23:17
would only hear about it second hand.
23:20
And last week we talked about exaggeration, how people love to
23:24
sprinkle in a little extra detail every time they retell
23:27
something that was not there the first time.
23:30
So all it took was a little bit of local gossip about Abruha in
23:33
the neighborhood to keep the story alive.
23:36
Soon other people were saying that they also witnessed strange
23:40
things that night. Apparently there was a Lechusa
23:44
sighting beautiful around the same time saying that the woman
23:47
had bird like features and feathers.
23:49
Jerry, remind us what a Lechusa is.
23:51
A lechusa is a supposed which that takes the form of a large
23:56
owl with the face of a woman or person.
24:02
And we talked about that like 4 episodes ago, so go check it
24:05
out. Go check out the La La Lechusa
24:06
episode. Honestly had a blast.
24:08
That was that was a good one that scared me.
24:11
Thank you. You're welcome.
24:12
And it's cryptic, forgot to mention that.
24:13
Well. Two years later there is another
24:16
sighting of La Bruja de Monterrey, and this time it was
24:19
caught on film. Let's go.
24:23
A paranormal group called the Agni Club was out in Monterrey
24:27
in 2006 investigating UFOs. I love Albany, like I love that
24:31
word. It's just so fun to say.
24:32
I don't know what it means, I should have googled it.
24:34
Albany like UFO Albany. That's what it means, yeah.
24:37
You're so smart. Thank you friend.
24:40
Viana Perla Chapa, the group's founder, and Ramon Villarreal, a
24:44
group member, were in the Cumbres neighborhood when they
24:46
noticed something large floating along the Monterrey mountain
24:49
range. From a distance, they described
24:51
the black figure flying just above the summit of El Cerro de
24:55
Las Mitras. Luckily, they had their camera
24:58
on them and they recorded what is believed to be the only video
25:01
evidence of Abuja de Monterrey. Damn they caught her on 4K?
25:05
No, they caught her in 240P. Oh, beautiful.
25:08
Yeah, yeah, yeah, 2. 1006 remember.
25:10
You're right, you're right. Allegedly, the witch has seen
25:12
floating by at a steady pace, which the group said should be
25:15
impossible due to the wind conditions that day.
25:19
They claimed that not even a helicopter would be allowed to
25:21
fly under those conditions. Damn.
25:23
OK, wind experts, I you. Read my mind.
25:26
I'm like, OK, you know about UFOs, I guess so maybe maybe
25:31
they understand like flight patterns and stuff.
25:32
Yeah, maybe there's validity to their claims.
25:35
It's one of their classes that they took.
25:37
The encounter lasted about 7 minutes before the flying object
25:40
turned and disappeared behind the mountain.
25:43
In more recent times, Yana has mentioned that some believe it's
25:45
a drone, but in 2006 that was far from being technology that
25:49
was readily available to people. Yeah, no other theories where
25:54
it's some sort of US vehicle that was spying on the city of
25:58
Monterrey. I don't know how to, I should
26:01
have brought a picture, but there's this huge, just like
26:04
mountain, imagine like the neighborhood and at the back
26:07
huge mountain, giant peaks. So Deanna claims that it's a
26:11
silhouette of a witch dressed in all black.
26:13
And what's really interesting and kind of on the nose, the
26:16
peaks that it was flying through is called Las Brujas.
26:21
Spitting. And it was named that before
26:23
they witnessed that. Maybe that's why they called
26:25
them that. Real quickly, everyone
26:28
remembered San Maniego's story from two years ago and made a
26:30
connection. La Bruja de Monterrey was seed
26:34
another two weeks of Halloween. Just kidding.
26:38
Just kidding. Just kidding.
26:40
This video ended up spreading like crazy.
26:43
You remember premade Impacto, right?
26:44
I do. I don't know if it's.
26:46
Still airing? I don't know either.
26:49
But they ran a story about it, connecting the dots, and it was
26:52
breaking news that oh, which had been seen.
26:55
Honestly, I love how dramatic Mexican media is.
26:58
I agree, especially in the early 2000s because there was no
27:02
filter for what was considered news.
27:04
It could be like some sort of mass incident or something, all
27:08
crazy traffic accident. And then it's like the local
27:11
cheese man, like all these two neighbors are pissed at each
27:13
other and they're being interviewed on TV.
27:16
So let me describe the video before I show it to you.
27:18
It's super grainy. It's a 2006 personal camera,
27:22
like those little handheld camcorders.
27:24
OK, to me, the flying object, it kind of looks red, but Deanna
27:31
swears it's a witch wearing all black.
27:34
The way it moves is kind of SUS because it is kind of just
27:37
floating super steadily to me. Kind of looks like a balloon.
27:41
OK. That black BLOB, doesn't it
27:47
flash like kind of red to you? Oh well, you're.
27:51
I'm sorry I honestly can't can't tell but it does like super
27:55
grainy and blurry and choppy so. It's just it's giving BLOB.
27:59
Yeah, it it, I, I can see that like it looks like a balloon
28:02
floating like you just when you see a random balloon just
28:04
floating through the air, like that's what it looks like same
28:06
speed, very similar, like pattern.
28:09
It's it's cool, though, I mean, because I just think about like
28:11
the AI now and all the Photoshop that goes around now and like
28:14
how real it looks and 2006 yes, I mean yes, it was around
28:20
Photoshop was I'm sure around yeah, but not edit yeah, a
28:22
video. Amateur video like that?
28:24
No, you have to know tools, You have to be trained in order to
28:29
make something like that. Yeah.
28:32
Production. Yeah, it literally is a
28:34
production to to edit video at home in 2006.
28:38
Yeah, with your big old monitor and screen that looks like a
28:43
refrigerator. I'm just kidding guys.
28:44
Sorry, I'm not trying to offend anyone.
28:48
I'm kind of torn. I think it moves like a balloon,
28:53
but looking at the scale relative to the mountain, that
28:56
would have to be a massive balloon.
28:58
That's true. I don't know if maybe step
29:01
perception like plays in on it too.
29:03
Yeah, maybe it is kind of closer to them, but in the video it
29:06
looks like it's right along the edge of the mountain.
29:08
Yeah. Also though in the video I
29:10
thought it was going to be a bigger mountain, like it looks
29:12
more of like a hill like like a OH.
29:14
But when you zoom out, like if you look at where they say it
29:16
was, it's a huge. Mountain OK, OK, OK.
29:19
Yeah, probably was zoomed in so I thought they were closer to
29:21
the witch in the in the video. Some people think it's a UFO,
29:26
like it's not a witch. Yeah, aliens.
29:28
Yeah, obviously. Hello.
29:30
Other explanation. I mean, at the end of the day,
29:32
that's what the Opni club was looking for.
29:35
Aliens allegedly call back. So I understand that maybe the
29:42
witch angle instead of UFOs like helped push the narrative a
29:46
little further. There was a really popular
29:48
sighting 2 years back. Yeah.
29:51
You're trying to put your little group on the map.
29:53
I don't know how popular this group was in 2006, but because
29:57
of that video, they were getting interviewed everywhere.
30:00
Yeah, they started going to conferences.
30:02
I feel like they were there one by chance because they weren't
30:05
trying to find a witch, but everything aligned to make this
30:10
possible. So that's the only reason why I
30:12
would believe it. Especially for 2006, me hearing
30:15
that story for the first time and seeing that kind of footage,
30:17
that's not super like it's bad, but for that time, I'm sure it
30:20
wasn't terrible. Yeah, it was comparable to
30:22
anything else you're watching on TV.
30:24
Right now, yeah. Super pic.
30:25
No like. Back then, Back then, back then,
30:27
yeah, yeah. Everything back then is super
30:29
pixelated. I was telling Jerry how they
30:31
look so real weird on an HDTV because it's all cropped and
30:35
ugly. Yeah.
30:36
So I would say like with all of those factors and taking into
30:39
account that they weren't specifically they're looking for
30:41
a witch and they caught that, it seems genuine.
30:45
Yes, but on the other side, I still think it's a product of
30:47
its time. You're seeing a blurry little
30:50
BLOB. There is no way for you to
30:52
clarify that your understanding and perception of TV has only
30:56
ever looked that way because TV's are so low quality.
31:00
Back then, you could be convinced that it was anything.
31:02
Yeah. So two years ago, you have a
31:04
story from a police officer who you, as maybe a regular citizen
31:10
at the time, give them a lot of credit.
31:12
Yeah, of course it was true. He he said it on his walkie.
31:17
Look, he's in an ambulance because he's so frightened.
31:20
It has to be true. So then two years later, this,
31:23
this club is trying to, I don't know if they're trying to have
31:26
their big break, but they're looking for evidence of anything
31:29
to solidify their ideas, their claims.
31:32
There's UFOs out there. There's witches out there.
31:35
How convenient. That's just the skeptic part of
31:37
my brain. But OK, so sorry, I want to, I
31:39
want to go back because maybe I'm not remembering.
31:41
So you had mentioned they recorded this.
31:43
By chance, by chance, they were just standing in there.
31:45
Were they claiming that this was the UFO or that this was?
31:49
No, they made the connection that, oh, it must be the witch
31:51
because two years ago there was a witch sighting.
31:53
OK, yeah, I don't know, I feel like if it would make more sense
31:56
to me if they were trying to prove that this was a UFO, then
31:59
it's like a, oh, they're these guys are for sure just trying to
32:01
like reel in a bite or something from anyone.
32:05
But that's why I think it makes more sense for them to get
32:07
attention when they realized, oh, there's a connection to a
32:09
witch, because that was already on the news.
32:11
That was already big. That's very big brain of you,
32:13
Brian. Big brain it was.
32:15
Like trends before trends existed.
32:17
Because nowadays the trend will start one day, three days in.
32:20
People are over it. Everyone has access to it,
32:23
everyone can recreate it in the moment.
32:25
That's true. I like that I.
32:28
Don't know, I had my skeptic brain on for this one.
32:31
Since then, Diana, the founder, has found new ways to analyse
32:35
the video. It moves too steadily to be a
32:37
bird or balloon, according to her.
32:40
She also claims that now she sees that it's holding something
32:42
like a lamb or a dog. How she sees that from like 5
32:46
pixels? I have no.
32:47
Idea. I don't know.
32:48
Maybe it was a baby or a virgin and she took her dinner to go.
32:52
We'll never talk, we'll never know.
32:56
Is la bruja de Monterrey Rio? To some, yes.
32:59
They've seen the video, they've heard the story.
33:01
Not enough to convince them to even fewer.
33:05
It's an absolute truth. San Diego saw her directly in
33:09
front of him and his life was changed forever.
33:12
Yana witnessed it at first hand also, and maybe owes a large
33:16
portion of her career to that specific incident.
33:18
I don't know. I have very limited research on
33:21
this group on this lady. I will do a deep dive to see
33:24
what else is Avni group has. I'd love to know.
33:28
That's what haunted me this week.
33:33
La monca de Durango. Just kidding.
33:35
No disrespect bro. The Monterrey.
33:38
Wow friend, that's awesome. Thank you for that.
33:40
What's our bad friend? What haunted you this week?
33:42
And. You want to know what haunted me
33:44
this week? Yeah, that's why I asked.
33:46
These damn mosquitoes. They got you.
33:50
They've been getting me from, oh, they're.
33:51
Going to get you dengue. I went no thanks, because I'll
33:55
be I'm on it as soon as I see it.
33:57
I'm not stopping until I see them Squitch.
33:59
Dead. So yeah, I went to the, I was
34:02
watching clothes and we have like a laundromat near us.
34:06
And as soon as I look down, I'm like, oh, be careful, there's
34:08
mosquitoes. There's always mosquitoes there.
34:11
And as soon as I look down, that little fucker was already trying
34:14
to get at my leg. And I'm like, Nope.
34:15
And I tracked them and then bam, no more mosquito.
34:21
But what really haunted me this week was the fact that we're
34:27
nearing a season, a season that's very near and dear to us.
34:31
Pumpkin spice latte season to many, yes.
34:36
But it's, it's Halloween time. Yeah, we're officially mid
34:41
August. That was that was good.
34:43
That was that was really deep. And I think a lot of us are
34:47
beginning to celebrate the beginning of the Halloween
34:50
season. A lot of people, it starts after
34:54
July 4th. Honestly, yes, but this weather
34:58
doesn't give me Halloween. But these past couple days have
35:01
been a little bit better, so I'm starting to just be more open to
35:06
early Halloween. Specifically, I want to talk to
35:10
you about one of the most recognizable figures in
35:12
Halloween. I think you know who this is.
35:17
The devil. He rides a horse maybe, so it
35:20
could be the devil. He wears a black cloak.
35:24
Could be a bruja. Or a vampire.
35:26
Or a vampire Dracula. It's headless.
35:33
Who's headless? Let's keep going.
35:37
And usually carries either a sword, a pumpkin, or whatever
35:43
else happens to make this situation worse.
35:46
A gun. A gun?
35:48
No, not a gun. What is that?
35:51
A knife? No, Brian, today we're talking
35:54
about the Headless Horseman. You don't say, you said
35:59
headless. In my mind went oh.
36:00
Horse. Oh, I'm thinking of the headless
36:02
horse man. Man, there's a headless horse on
36:05
its way. The idea of a headless rider
36:09
goes back much further than The Legend of Sleepy Hollow.
36:12
Stories about supernatural riders show up throughout
36:15
European folklore, including Irish, Scottish, Welsh, Dutch,
36:20
and Germanic to name a few. Even the Brothers Grimm had
36:24
their own version of a Headless Horseman or a headless rider.
36:27
Brian, did you know that there were versions of this guy
36:30
running around in folklore long before Ichabod Crane?
36:35
That's so crazy because one, I have no idea who Ichabod Crane
36:39
is, OK, and two, I don't know what Sleepy Hollow is.
36:43
And three, I know who Brothers Grimm is.
36:47
I did not know that they had their own Headless Horseman.
36:50
Well. OK, we're I'm going to take a
36:51
second and I'm going to come back after Brian has finished
36:56
watching or reading about Ichabod Crane and the Headless
36:59
Horseman. It sounds familiar.
37:01
It's in there somewhere. Remind me.
37:02
I will read. No, you'll you'll trigger my
37:04
memory. Yeah, I'll continue.
37:06
I'm scratching my head right now.
37:08
One of the most famous older versions comes from Ireland.
37:12
He's called the Dulahan. This guy makes the Headless
37:17
Horseman look like he needs to step up his.
37:19
Game. Oh no, I'm scared.
37:21
The dulahan is a supernatural figure associated with death.
37:26
He rides a Black Horse, carries his own severed head under his
37:29
arm, and according to the folklore, the head doesn't just
37:33
sit there looking creepy, its eyes can scan the countryside
37:37
from a great distance. The whole country.
37:39
The whole countryside. Some versions describe the eyes
37:42
as glowing and have an incredibly sharp vision.
37:46
How do we know who's testing who's his optometry?
37:50
His eye doctor, for sure. Yeah.
37:52
Apparently having your head detached from your body comes
37:55
with a few supernatural upgrades.
37:57
Now, let's talk about his whip. You know, braided leather.
38:02
That's what you would automatically assume, right?
38:03
Yeah. Wrong.
38:04
Oh, OK. It's supposedly made out of a
38:06
human spine. If you had to encounter one of
38:10
these things, would the glowing severed head bother you more?
38:14
Or would it be the realization that this dude is carrying a
38:16
human spine whip? I would see him holding his
38:20
head. I don't think anything else
38:21
registers. OK other than wow, his shoulders
38:25
are so broad. Oh my God, there's no neck.
38:27
What is he holding? Oh, his head.
38:29
I got to go. Oh, but this guy's not a big
38:32
back, right? Oh no, he's real.
38:35
Built like a Dorito. Big shoulders, skinny waist.
38:40
The Headless Horseman. So the Dulahan was considered a
38:46
harbinger of death. According to the legend, when he
38:50
stops writing, he calls out someone's name and that person
38:55
dies. But his head is not attached.
38:57
How does it still work? Well, remember it, It's still
38:59
like scanning and still move. It's not just like a dead,
39:02
severed head. It's sentient.
39:04
Sentient it, it still moves, it still reacts.
39:07
Maybe it's Wi-Fi? Maybe he probably has a good
39:10
like portable Wi-Fi rather or five.
39:13
G on him. So imagine you're sitting at
39:15
home, probably signing some papers on the throne, and you
39:19
hear a horse outside. You look through the window and
39:22
there's a headless man sitting on a Black Horse and he calls
39:25
out Brian. At that point, I don't think
39:31
there's a safety route or a safety plan.
39:32
You're just going to watch the credits roll.
39:35
Is he holding the head up to the window?
39:38
Because then I might giggle A. Little bit peeping Headless
39:41
Horseman. He's like, oh, this window's a
39:42
little tall here. He's like, wait, hold up.
39:45
I mean, get on my toes. Is Brian signing papers right?
39:47
Now on my throne. On your on the old throne.
39:50
My toilet. That's how I envisioned it.
39:51
It's it's, it's supposed to be a toilet.
39:53
Oh, OK, yeah, now my windows are frosted.
39:55
I wouldn't know. Well, he can see through the
39:57
frosted. Window.
39:58
Oh my God, we're not safe. No one's.
40:00
Safe. No one is safe.
40:02
There's also a Scottish story about a man named Ewan.
40:06
McGregor. No, I think he's Irish.
40:09
Funny enough, according to the legend, Ewan and his horse were
40:13
both decapitated during a battle of the Isle of Mole.
40:17
What was I right when I said the headless horse?
40:20
True, and the two supposedly continued haunting the area
40:25
while searching for their missing heads.
40:27
So the idea of a writer who has died violently and continues
40:30
wandering around after death isn't uniquely American, but
40:34
America eventually gave us the version everyone knows.
40:38
This is where we meet Washington Irving.
40:40
In 1820, Irving published The Legend of Sleepy Hollow, one of
40:44
America's earliest and most enduring ghost stories.
40:48
The story takes place in a real area of New York, and Irving
40:51
mixed actual locations, family names, and Revolutionary War
40:56
history with folklore and outright fiction.
40:59
At the center of it all is Ichabod Crane.
41:02
Ichabod is a schoolmaster who arrives in Sleepy Hollow and
41:05
becomes interested in Katrina Van Tassel, an 18 year old
41:08
heiress. Unfortunately for Ichabod, he's
41:12
not the only man interested in Katrina.
41:14
There's also Brom Bones. Brom is basically the exact
41:18
opposite of Ichabod. Ichabod is a lanky, nervous and
41:23
extremely interested in ghost stories.
41:25
Brahm is a local tough guy. This.
41:27
Is spoilers, by the way, if you've never read the 1850s
41:31
something? Spoiler alert, please stop
41:33
listening 3 minutes ago. So you've got these two men
41:37
competing for the same woman, and then Ichabod attends a party
41:40
at the Van Tassel farm where everyone spends the evening
41:43
telling ghost stories. In my opinion, that seems like
41:47
such a good time. I'm down.
41:49
And it doesn't get better than that.
41:50
Just getting together, ghost stories, having a party, but
41:53
after the party Ichabod has to ride home alone at night and
41:58
through the woods after listening to everyone tell them
42:01
about ghosts. What are your thoughts on this?
42:04
You're leaving a party. You just left the ghost story
42:06
soiree. Oh my God, 30th birthday party
42:10
idea and then story soiree ghost story.
42:12
Soiree and now you got to ride home alone at night to the
42:14
woods. That would be a little
42:17
precarious. I'd be a little scared.
42:20
Would you ask to just stay like, hey, can I just like, borrow?
42:22
Yeah. Can I just crash on the couch?
42:24
Yeah, I can see him on the floor even if you don't have a couch.
42:27
In this huge. Mansion, farm, Mansion.
42:30
Yeah, Yeah, you are indeed an heiress.
42:34
Or be like anyone headed in that direction.
42:36
Let's go together. Is anyone leaving too?
42:37
Hey, I didn't drink I I could be DDI.
42:41
Can I can ride your horse? Yeah, I can.
42:46
Ichabod eventually encounters a rider on his way home.
42:49
Aww. He met a friend.
42:51
At first he assumes it's another traveller.
42:53
Then he realized something is wrong.
42:55
This rider has no head and the horseman begins chasing him.
43:00
According to Irving's story, the horseman eventually throws
43:03
something at Ichabod. It's a pumpkin.
43:06
Ichabod is knocked from his horse and the thing disappears.
43:11
What a good arm. He said, locking in target.
43:15
No, he didn't say anything. He has no head.
43:20
The next morning his hat is found along with a smashed
43:23
pumpkin. And that's it.
43:25
Smashed pumpkins. The Smashing Pumpkins.
43:28
We're left wondering what actually happened to him.
43:30
Irving never gives us a clear answer.
43:32
Was Ichabod genuinely attacked by a ghost, or was Brom Bones
43:36
behind the whole thing? Because Brom has a motive, he
43:41
wants Katrina as well. Yeah, get rid of the
43:42
competition. And Irving leaves enough
43:45
ambiguity for you to wonder whether Ichabod encountered
43:48
something supernatural or just got psychologically terrorized
43:51
by a guy who just committed to a prank.
43:53
Extreme case of bullying. It's psychological.
43:57
I mean a pumpkin bro that's out of this world.
43:59
So what do you buy? Do you think this was a ghost or
44:02
was it the competing man? Oh my God, I was fully on the
44:05
ghost train. I'm like, yeah, it was a
44:07
Headless Horseman, throw in his pumpkins.
44:10
But then you said, Oh my God, it's a crime of passion.
44:14
Premeditated. And I think I got to lean into
44:17
that direction for drama. OK, OK, so.
44:19
I think it was Brahm, Team Brahm.
44:21
Yeah. OK, OK.
44:23
He did what he had to do. It's 1850 something.
44:26
You got to try it all. The world is different back
44:28
then. She's an heiress.
44:30
She's an heiress. And he knew when he was leaving
44:32
because he announced it, most likely to everyone saying, all
44:35
right, farewell into the night I go.
44:38
Never let anyone know your next move.
44:40
Exactly. Irish goodbyes, they exist for a
44:44
reason. Never post where you're at in
44:47
the moment, never say when you're leaving, and just tell a
44:51
homie when you get home. By Raven, yes.
44:56
Couple days later, OK, They they made it home 2 weeks ago.
44:59
Cool. In the end it created a regional
45:01
ghost legend. I think that's commitment.
45:04
There's another part of the story that gets really
45:06
interesting when you start digging into where Irving got
45:08
his horsemen. 1 popular explanation connects him to the
45:12
American Revolutionary War. The Battle of White Plains
45:16
happened on October 28th, 1776, just days before Halloween
45:21
Goodyear. According to the legend, a
45:23
Haitian soldier fighting for the British was decapitated by a
45:26
cannonball during the battle. His body was supposedly buried
45:30
in Sleepy Hollow churchyard, while his head was destroyed on
45:33
the battlefield and couldn't be recovered.
45:35
So the ghost supposedly rides through the night searching for
45:38
the head that he never got back. If you were Washington Irving
45:42
and somebody told you a story in the 1817, are you writing all
45:47
that information down? No, this is going to exist in my
45:50
head and when I tell the next person, he's going to be a
45:53
little different. He's going to be a little more.
45:54
Dramatic. Yeah, whatever.
45:55
I remember he was like 8 feet. He was 8 feet tall.
45:59
Yeah, he was holding 2 heads. 1. What he threw at me, got it, got
46:03
it. It was the pumpkin.
46:04
Got it, got it, got it. That's.
46:06
The the rug. Pull the rug under their feet.
46:08
Think it's a second head, nose, a pumpkin.
46:11
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Zing.
46:12
Got him, got him. Here's what we need to separate
46:15
the legend from the history. There isn't solid evidence that
46:18
Irving based a horseman specifically on an actual
46:21
Haitian soldier. Historians have also pointed to
46:23
another possible influence, Sir Walter Scott's The Chase, which
46:28
was a translation of the German poem The Wild Huntsman by
46:32
Gottfried Berger. That story involves a wicked
46:35
hunter who is condemned to an eternal supernatural hunt, and
46:39
Irving actually knew Scott. It's very possible that the
46:42
Headless Horseman is really a Frankenstein's monster of
46:45
folklore, a little European legend here, some revolutionary
46:49
history there, some local ghost stories.
46:52
And Irving puts it all together and says this guy lives in New
46:55
York and it sticks. There's something about the
46:58
Horseman that I think explains why this particularly monster
47:00
refuses to disappear. It's not just that he's dead,
47:04
it's that he's still moving. Brands Potter, a professor
47:07
specializing in Gothic studies, describes the Headless Horseman
47:11
as representing a past that never dies but continues to
47:13
haunt the living. The horseman is supposedly
47:16
searching for something that was taken from him.
47:18
It's heard and. Because he can't rest, because
47:20
he can't close his eyes, the past keeps coming back.
47:25
There was an article by Abigail Owen that I read where she makes
47:28
an interesting point about the fear of decapitation itself.
47:31
Yeah, we don't need folklore to tell us that losing your head is
47:34
bad. Our brains already understand
47:36
that They. Don't want to be separated.
47:38
They're like, no. No, no, no, no.
47:39
Wait, wait, wait. The head of this horseman takes
47:43
something that represents death and then removes the one thing
47:46
that we associate with identity, consciousness and life and
47:49
somehow gives the body the ability to keep riding around
47:52
anyway, Do you think that's what makes him creepier than
47:56
something like a vampire or a werewolf?
47:58
That there's no transformation? He's already dead, but he's
48:01
still coming after you. Yeah.
48:03
I think just a visual is enough to give you kind of like the
48:06
heebie jeebies, because I'm envisioning it right now.
48:11
Horse at night. Kind of scary, yeah.
48:14
You look up and see that whoever's writing it is only
48:17
shoulders down. Torso and legs.
48:20
Yeah, that that's enough to make me want to run in the opposite
48:25
direction. I'm just not interested.
48:27
Yeah. No, thank you.
48:28
I want nothing to do with that. All good, I'm done.
48:30
I don't have any money, please leave me alone.
48:32
Yeah, yeah, Floor is my car, puts it in reverse.
48:36
The heiress is that weight. Yeah, calls on the radio help.
48:40
Help There's a Headless Horseman.
48:41
The apocalypse and the apocalypse is incoming.
48:44
And now you're what's his face from the Police Department.
48:46
All Oh my God and I'm a micro celebrity.
48:48
What's his name? San Manego.
48:50
Now you're San Manego, I say. We do it.
48:52
OK, we're going to New York and we're just going to wander
48:55
around at night until we see a headless heart.
48:57
Did you bite your tongue again? He.
49:00
Heard me. He can't go.
49:04
He said try me, try me. 1st it's my tongue next to my head.
49:09
Next to your head, your tongue is connected.
49:11
I will no longer joke, Jerry, continue your story.
49:14
Then there's a pumpkin. Let's talk about the pumpkin.
49:16
If you've ever wondered why your mental image of the Headless
49:18
Horseman probably involves A flaming Jack O Lancer, we can
49:22
think Disney Ghost. Rider baby, but I'm thinking.
49:27
Which is also technically Disney right now, right?
49:30
Is it Disney now? I don't know, I just know it's
49:31
in Fortnite. Ghost writer?
49:35
Really. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
49:36
No, you're right, you're right. In 1949, Disney released The
49:40
Adventures of Ichabod and Mr. Toad, with The Legend of Sleepy
49:44
Hollow making up the second-half.
49:47
Disney's version made the Halloween connection much
49:49
stronger. The Van Tassel party became a
49:52
Halloween celebration, the ghost stories became part of the
49:55
atmosphere, and the object thrown at Ichabod became a
49:59
flaming Jack O Lantern. The movie was also shown on
50:02
television around Halloween for decades.
50:04
So when you picture the Headless Horseman galloping through the
50:07
darkness with a flaming pumpkin, that's not necessarily the image
50:11
Washington Irving put in your head it.
50:13
Was the mouse. It was the damn mouse.
50:17
Do you think Disney accidentally made the horseman scarier or did
50:21
they turn him into a mascot? I I don't have memory of the
50:25
Disney version. Like, this is the first time I
50:27
feel like I'm hearing about it. OK, maybe it's buried somewhere
50:29
in my psyche. And if you pulled up a picture,
50:31
I would be able to reference it. Yeah.
50:34
I don't think Disney can do anything that would make me,
50:37
like, genuinely scared, OK? Especially when it's like early
50:40
Disney animation. Yeah, my first experience with
50:44
the Headless Horseman Ichabod Crane was the Disney animated
50:47
version. In elementary school.
50:49
Wow. I I don't recall unfortunately.
50:52
So what happens when a legend that started centuries ago
50:55
becomes something people actually expect to see around
50:58
Halloween? This is where I want to bring in
51:01
something that Dave sent us. Shout out Dave.
51:05
Shout out Dave, you're listening.
51:07
Dave shared a Ventura County Star article about paranormal
51:11
activity haunted homes in Ventura County and I love that
51:15
he brought it up because it gives us a chance to pull this
51:18
story out of Sleepy Hollow and bring it a little closer to
51:21
home. In the article, there were some
51:23
paranormal legends around Ventura County, and buried in
51:27
there is a story about a headless woman reportedly seen
51:31
dancing on stage at the Ventura Majestic Theatre.
51:35
I just found it very fitting because we're talking about a
51:36
decapitated head and this folklore.
51:39
I thought you were going to talk.
51:40
I read the article too. I thought you were going to talk
51:41
about the char man. Nope.
51:42
We'll get into the char man maybe another time, but I
51:46
specifically pulled this story just because it just happened to
51:49
be a headless person. So, according to the paranormal
51:52
investigator Joanne Azu, the apparition may be connected to a
51:56
1932 Ventura High School graduation when a girl
52:00
reportedly fell in the stage area and broke her neck.
52:04
The story says her spirit may still appear at the theatre,
52:07
dancing on stage without a head. I don't like.
52:10
That neither do I imagine, especially because I think when
52:12
you associate high schools, I've never heard of someone say, oh,
52:16
my high school is not haunted. I think it's the opposite.
52:18
There's always a story connecting your high school to
52:20
some sort of like, haunt, and that's creepy because it's just
52:23
generations of school trauma, trauma, just negative
52:27
experiences. I was in drama club.
52:29
I know where the stages are backstage, the heavy curtains.
52:35
When it's dark in there, it is creepy.
52:37
Yeah. So walking in there and you see
52:40
a headless woman just dancing. Oh, Jerry, you're really scaring
52:44
me this week. I think at this point I'm
52:47
starting to think that the headless part is really popular
52:50
with some ghosts. I know it's all the rage.
52:53
It's a trend. It's the trend.
52:54
You know who? Needs a head?
52:56
Lose a couple pounds? Yeah.
52:57
Who lose the neck, lose the head?
52:59
One final question. OK, you kind of already answered
53:02
it. So you're riding home on your
53:05
horse at night. OK.
53:09
You look in front of you and you're like, hey, a fellow
53:11
traveller, but no, it's a Headless Horseman.
53:15
Are you running, are you fighting, or are you stopping to
53:19
ask him where he got his horse? Whose horse is that?
53:26
I think I'd die. I think I'd get a heart attack
53:32
and I'd die. Headless.
53:36
Horseman, seen in the area body found he was not headless.
53:40
Yeah. I am going the fuck home with my
53:43
head still attached. Oh, I love that for you.
53:45
You're so brave. You think you can outrun him?
53:48
If I cut through the trees, I would probably yeah, I have a
53:52
good chance. If not, then yeah, just blind
53:55
him with my flashlight. Oh, wait.
53:58
Osno had Jerry. Oh wait, that's the whole point.
54:01
You're right, I'll pepper spray him.
54:03
Wait, I'll use my. Taser.
54:09
You'll scream at him. You'll just attractive.
54:11
I'll say I do not give you consent.
54:13
Leave me alone. Run.
54:15
Your horse? Another direction, bud.
54:18
But like, focus on your head. At game week.
54:21
Nope, it is like a porque Latinas puesta.
54:25
Oh. Oh, so you're just going to
54:28
roast? I'm just.
54:28
Going to start roasting him and that's what he get and I'm going
54:31
to take his horse because I think that horse is beautiful.
54:34
Cooler than your horse? Give me here's my horse trade.
54:37
You know what? No.
54:38
Walk home your life back together.
54:43
Wow. Get your thoughts in order.
54:44
That's what I would tell them. And that's the story of the
54:48
Headless Horseman. So much history there that I did
54:51
not know. I feel like maybe there's a
54:55
memory somewhere in my brain. Let me there's an image it, but
55:00
it's it's the visual stylings of scooby-doo.
55:04
Yeah, no, I don't think that scare me, even as a child
55:07
watching that. Sorry, no.
55:09
It's OK. What did scare me was
55:11
goosebumps. Oh my God, that would keep me up
55:14
at night. No, no, just wow.
55:18
No head, no neck, but he still has like a collar on his Cape.
55:22
Yep. What for?
55:23
What's that? Keeping warm.
55:26
His neck. Oh wait, I.
55:27
Wonder what happens when you look down it?
55:29
What's in there? It's Hollow Halloween.
55:35
Here's your joke was better Sleepy Hollow.
55:37
Yeah, he has a Halloween. Dang, what is Halloween season?
55:42
Happy Halloween. Happy.
55:43
Halloween in August. Yeah.
55:45
I went into Sam's Club today and they had a lot of Halloween
55:47
decorations and also Christmas lights.
55:50
That's awesome. The best time of the year We're
55:54
finally heading into that tail end of the holidays, I.
55:58
Don't think my favorite time of the year is like January 2nd.
56:02
What's that when all the trees get thrown away?
56:05
Why that's so sad? Back to like the normal swing of
56:07
things? No, because what happens?
56:09
Is your whimsy. Capitalism.
56:11
Oh my God. It's all.
56:14
You hear that? I did hear that.
56:15
That's what happened. You know the the ghost fucking
56:18
hear you talking shit about the holidays.
56:20
I cleansed my house today. I put Palo Santo everywhere.
56:23
I'm going to do it again when Jerry leaves because he brought
56:25
his bad energy in here with a Headless Horseman.
56:28
I mean, let me bite my tongue. You were talking shit.
56:31
First of all, I think the place was lit up when I walked in.
56:35
How can you have a head and then like your emotions?
56:37
How can you not have a head and be so fragile and your emotions?
56:40
Hello. Like girl backbone, like a
56:46
spine. Yeah, kind of detached whip
56:50
like. Kind of detached and used as a
56:53
whip now. So yeah, friend, that's, that's
56:56
my story. A little shorter this time
56:58
around, but. That was that was pretty good.
57:00
Very interesting topics today. I had a great time.
57:02
So did I. I hope you enjoyed I.
57:04
Think these were two very. Unique topics, yeah, yeah.
57:09
Because we went to Europe, we went to Europe, we went to
57:12
Ireland, we went to New York. And America?
57:15
Went to Mexico. Monterrey.
57:18
Who do you think would win in a fight, the Headless Horseman or
57:21
the Bruja? Oh.
57:21
Oh, OK. Everyone comment who you think
57:24
is going to win my money respectfully.
57:31
OK. Headless Hartson, because from
57:34
your story he's got some aim. He's got the aim, he has some
57:38
sort of weapon. Yeah, La Bruja couldn't even
57:41
catch the guy in the car. Like she didn't even hit the
57:44
windshield. Yeah, I feel like the only, and
57:48
I'm trying to play like devil's advocate here because I also
57:50
agreed to Headless Horseman, but to give the Bruja some points, I
57:54
feel like she was only affected by something like holy or
57:57
something that's the opposite of like necrotic.
57:59
He's not holy. He's not.
58:00
I think he they're on the same plane.
58:02
Yeah, they're from the same class.
58:06
And maybe they hit it off and there is no fight and it's just
58:09
really romantic. She just wants a man to do her
58:12
bidding. He has no head to complain.
58:17
It's a it's a enemies to lovers, yeah.
58:20
It'd be love at first sight, but only halfway.
58:25
But he might have excellent vision, so he might just see
58:27
through. Oh true, because he does have
58:28
his head. It's like, yeah, yeah, yeah.
58:29
Yeah, Yeah. Yeah, right, right.
58:32
Right, I see what you. Where you were going and it was
58:33
really good. Because I forget his head's
58:34
there. Because I'm thinking Jack O
58:35
Lantern now, yeah. Yes, he has no, No, in the
58:38
folklore version he has great vision 2020, He has contacts in
58:43
because he can scan the whole countryside eagle vision and he
58:48
just sees her and he spots her going over the mountain.
58:51
Watches that head right at her come back.
58:53
And it's a Will you go out with me?
58:55
That's what she was holding. Yes, it was.
58:58
It was his head. Damn.
59:02
Oh my God this is so romantic. I'm glad we did this.
59:05
Thank you guys for listening. This has been the best episode
59:07
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59:09
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59:12
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59:25
Maybe I'll give you a kiss and we'll catch you next week.
59:29
What's your song recommendation? Oh my God.
59:32
Well, I feel like it's unfair because I could easily recommend
59:35
a motionless song which is. Do it.
59:37
Why? Why hold back?
59:38
Because I feel like I've recommended it before.
59:40
That's who you are. That's your personality, Jerry.
59:42
That's who I am. It was never a phase and it's.
59:46
Ammo. And now that I'm back to my
59:47
like, brown hair so I'm dark. OK, let me have it.
59:53
Motionless and White Undetta Head 2 is a song about the
59:57
Headless Horseman. Do they like to their sequels to
1:00:01
songs? Yes, because the last one or the
1:00:03
other. 1 was also a Part 2. It was a Part 2.
1:00:05
Yeah that was dead as fuck. But yeah, this is the Part 2.
1:00:08
I listen to that. Undetta Head, Part 2.
1:00:11
Beautiful. I would like to recommend Can't
1:00:14
Get You Out of My Head by Kylie Minogue.
1:00:16
I just can't get you out of my head.
1:00:20
Remix that into the motion of the white.
1:00:21
Song it's out there and you have a twangers.
1:00:24
If you have an ear for it, please do that.
1:00:26
Put it on my desk by Monday. Got 3 days.
1:00:29
You know what? I need it on my desk yesterday.
1:00:32
What are you doing? What am I paying you for?
1:00:34
Get. Ahead of the game.
1:00:35
What are you doing? Just wasting company time.
1:00:38
What are we paying you for? Huh.
1:00:40
But go get me a coffee. And a croissant.
1:00:44
And don't forget the coffee. And the croissant.
1:00:48
What are you still standing here for?
1:00:50
Go.