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Women: “Men need to talk about their feelings. NOT THOSE FEELINGS!” | HBR Talk 415 · Honey Badger Radio

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  Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to.
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  Speaker 2: A HBR Talk for 15.
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  Speaker 1: Women, men need to talk about their feelings, not those feelings.
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  Speaker 1: I'm your host, Hannah Wallin, here with Richard the Lionhearted.
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  Speaker 1: Today we do not have Mike and Lauren because Mike
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  Speaker 1: is in the air and Lauren's probably driving home from
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  Speaker 1: the airport right now. So we are just going to
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  Speaker 1: wing it with the two of us. But this discussion
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  Speaker 1: has something to do with incels, so it should definitely
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  Speaker 1: be right up Richard's alley. And I'm sure I'll have
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  Speaker 1: plenty to say about it, too. We are still reading
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  Speaker 1: Shadowclaw's post and the related comments and talking about the... Well,
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  Speaker 1: basically the attitude and how it contributes to the potential...
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  Speaker 1: suicidality of men and the potential abuse of male suicidality
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  Speaker 1: in the medical profession. Because the thing that it demonstrated
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  Speaker 1: to me is the way people think about men who
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  Speaker 1: are in pain because they're lonely or because they're rejected
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  Speaker 1: or because they're socially awkward and they just can't make
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  Speaker 1: the connections that they would like to make. So what
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  Speaker 1: we're essentially talking about here is a set of conditions
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  Speaker 1: and the responses of people to those conditions that are
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  Speaker 1: less than compassionate and less than rational. But before we
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  Speaker 1: top of the page. And now on to our discussion
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  Speaker 1: about things women demand from men that actually give women
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  Speaker 1: the ick. Like this is the thing, the first thing
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  Speaker 1: about this, right? That women do demand that men talk
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  Speaker 1: about their feelings. They talk about it when they're sad.
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  Speaker 1: Talk about it when they're upset. Talk about it when
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  Speaker 1: they have any kind of mental health issue or when
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  Speaker 1: they're suffering in some way. But then when men do,
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  Speaker 1: when men say, hey, this problem exists, here are some
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  Speaker 1: of the roots of it. And part of the problem
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  Speaker 1: is the way that women treat men going all the
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  Speaker 1: way back into their teenage years when girls are particularly
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  Speaker 1: mean to teenage boys. Women don't want to hear it anymore.
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  Speaker 1: They don't want to know that they're part of the problem.
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  Speaker 1: They certainly don't want to know that when they do
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  Speaker 1: things with almost an express purpose of hurting guys' feelings,
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  Speaker 1: that that actually leads to a lot of pain and
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  Speaker 1: suffering for those guys in the future. What they want
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  Speaker 1: is guys crying over somebody's kitten died or this girl
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  Speaker 1: had a bad day, not I had a bad day,
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  Speaker 1: you know, not the guy had some sort of experience
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  Speaker 1: that caused him harm, and especially not a woman did
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  Speaker 1: him harm. So when we talked about this last week,
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  Speaker 1: we looked at the first couple paragraphs here, right, where
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  Speaker 1: he explained that because of casual sex and because women are, um,
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  Speaker 1: inclined to be picky, women began being more picky about
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  Speaker 1: their associations because they are engaging in casual sex with
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  Speaker 1: them now, rather than just hanging out. And so a
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  Speaker 1: lot of guys that would have had women hanging out
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  Speaker 1: with them, uh, didn't in their younger years. And, uh,
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  Speaker 1: As a result, they really never learned how to get
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  Speaker 1: along with women. They never really learned how to interact
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  Speaker 1: with them. They didn't, you know, talk to girls. They
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  Speaker 1: didn't go on dates. They didn't figure out relationships, nothing.
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  Speaker 1: Shadow Claw says he sent me a better version.
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  Speaker 3: So I'm going to.
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  Speaker 1: Look off of this page and see if I can
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  Speaker 1: find it. Because there is a better version, um, That
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  Speaker 1: we have.
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  Speaker 3: So let's see.
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  Speaker 1: There was the women control access to sex one. And
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  Speaker 1: then there was this one. A lot of people are
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  Speaker 1: either reading everything I said. Reading what I said in
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  Speaker 1: bad faith. Or not reading everything I said. Everything I
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  Speaker 1: said in bad faith. Confirmation bias or closed mindedness. And
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  Speaker 1: I noticed that when I was looking. So let me see.
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  Speaker 1: Oh he says it's on discord.
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  Speaker 3: That'll be easier. Hold on.
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  Speaker 1: This has been a massive overtime. There it is. This
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  Speaker 1: has been a massive overtime week for me, and I'm
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  Speaker 1: actually working a double shift tomorrow, too, so this will
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  Speaker 1: be fun. But thank you for sending it so that
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  Speaker 1: I couldn't.
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  Speaker 3: Miss it. Women of autism, again.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, gosh. That's helpful. What are they doing now?
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  Speaker 3: The same women of autism have it bad when it
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  Speaker 3: comes to dating, and the same women have it worse
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  Speaker 3: when it comes to autism in general. I, um.
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  Speaker 1: Didn't know that I was autistic when I was dating.
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  Speaker 1: I just knew I was a little different. I knew
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  Speaker 1: that I didn't get along with other girls very well.
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  Speaker 1: And it was easier to talk to guys than it
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  Speaker 1: was to girls. Because if I said something, they responded
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  Speaker 1: to what I said. And not some approximation of what
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  Speaker 1: keywords from it would make up if another woman was
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  Speaker 1: saying it. but I never had any difficulty dating.
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  Speaker 3: That's what they keep on saying.
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  Speaker 1: But I do know women who are autistic who are
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  Speaker 1: much more incapacitated by it. Some that have some very
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  Speaker 1: major difficulties communicating. They might have difficulty because they might
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  Speaker 1: want things to be a particular way, but they can't
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  Speaker 1: say it. Or they can say it, but not in
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  Speaker 1: a way that somebody else understands.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I've got women in my group that can't talk,
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  Speaker 3: and they still have boyfriends. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. I think dating being difficult for at least some
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  Speaker 1: autistic women is probably true, but it's more difficult for
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  Speaker 1: men with the same degree of symptoms, the same level
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  Speaker 1: of incapacitation or challenges from autism. And I think the
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  Speaker 1: reason is because, not that autism is actually a form
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  Speaker 1: of male intelligence like they used to think back in
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  Speaker 1: the 90s, but because it does in a lot of
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  Speaker 1: ways result in some more traits that are probably more
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  Speaker 1: masculine received. I guess people think of them more as
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  Speaker 1: masculine when you behave that way, which is why I
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  Speaker 1: get called a man all the time on social media
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  Speaker 1: when people can't see an image of me or me
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  Speaker 1: talking or something. But it doesn't affect women as much
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  Speaker 1: as it does men because men are okay with a
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  Speaker 1: woman who is rational, whereas women are probably less comfortable
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  Speaker 1: with a man who is less emotional-driven or less emotionally
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  Speaker 1: expressive than other men. Go ahead, Richard.
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  Speaker 3: And Lux Maximus made it through the Webster Dictionary. Oh,
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  Speaker 3: my gosh.
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  Speaker 1: It was bound to happen. It was destined to happen.
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  Speaker 3: And I said, you're welcome, America.
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  Speaker 1: We don't need Lux Maximus. You know the funny thing?
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  Speaker 1: You know, people are all up in arms about guys
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  Speaker 1: doing this, right? People are really treating it like it's
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  Speaker 1: some sort of insane behavior to change the way you
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  Speaker 1: look by causing injury to your face, including breaking bones
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  Speaker 1: and stuff like that, But how many of y'all are
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  Speaker 1: familiar with what the procedure is in rhinoplasty, which is
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  Speaker 1: a nose job? Because I am intimately familiar with it.
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  Speaker 3: They're kind of a racist one by plastic surgery complications.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: Some people can die from that, can't they?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Oh, yeah. Any surgery, any time a surgeon has
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  Speaker 1: to cut you open and then sew you up, there's
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  Speaker 1: a complication from that that can kill you. If you
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  Speaker 1: encounter an infection that normally wouldn't get through your skin
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  Speaker 1: that does, that can kill you. If it's not caught
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  Speaker 1: in time... If it's antibiotic resistant, hospitals have some pretty
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  Speaker 1: scary antibiotic resistant shit flowing around. It's particularly bad. There's
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  Speaker 1: not just antibiotic resistant bacteria anymore. There is now drug
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  Speaker 1: resistant fungus too. And it likes to inhabit things like
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  Speaker 1: the tubes that they put fluid into you with. If
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  Speaker 1: you get an IV and get drugs that way or
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  Speaker 1: get glucose or saline, depending on what's wrong with you
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  Speaker 1: when you go into the ER or how many people
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  Speaker 1: got intubated when they were dying from COVID, those tubes
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  Speaker 1: also can get this fungus. It is yeast and it
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  Speaker 1: can be deadly if it gets into the wrong part
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  Speaker 1: of your body. So, you know, we think the, the
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  Speaker 1: super germ that's going to kill humanity is going to
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  Speaker 1: be some kind of bacterial infection or a virus like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, super rabies or something, but it could just
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  Speaker 1: be a giant yeast infection. It's, it's really bad. And
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  Speaker 1: there are some things in some places that are so
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  Speaker 1: bad that if the building gets that particular bacteria in it,
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  Speaker 1: they just condemn the building. And, um, there's a type
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  Speaker 1: of formaldehyde that they can put through the building that
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  Speaker 1: just goes down floor by floor and kills everything. But
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  Speaker 1: it's bad enough that people can't go inside the building afterward.
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  Speaker 1: So the building is still condemned. It's just that they
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  Speaker 1: still have to kill the bacteria because if they don't,
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  Speaker 1: you know, there's always the possibility that it could get out. Um,
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  Speaker 1: So there's, yeah, any kind of surgery is potentially dangerous, right?
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  Speaker 1: Any kind of surgery is, there's a risk to everything.
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  Speaker 1: Walking in to the hospital at all comes with risk.
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  Speaker 1: Like it has, it should be bad enough. If you're
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  Speaker 1: going to go to the hospital, your condition should be
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  Speaker 1: bad enough to take that risk. That it's going to
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  Speaker 1: be riskier to not go than it is to go.
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  Speaker 1: And it's always been that way. There's never been a
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  Speaker 1: time when hospitals didn't have germs there that could be
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  Speaker 1: worse if you're going for something minor than what you're
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  Speaker 1: going for. But nose jobs, here's the thing about a
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  Speaker 1: nose job. Now, there's two different reasons why they do this.
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  Speaker 1: One of them is for looks. That's the one everybody's
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  Speaker 1: familiar with. The other one is for conditions of deformity
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  Speaker 1: that cause health problems like not being able to breathe
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  Speaker 1: through your nose or developing repeated sinus infections. Mine was
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  Speaker 1: so bad that when they actually opened up the sinus cavity,
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  Speaker 1: they went through the little canal to the sinus cavity,
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  Speaker 1: they drilled it out. The fluid that had been trapped
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  Speaker 1: in there squirted all the way across the room. It
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  Speaker 1: was really gross, but the pressure was terrible. And we were,
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  Speaker 1: my high school choir was singing the Hallelujah Chorus at
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  Speaker 1: that time. We were practicing Handel's Messiah. And my whole
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  Speaker 1: face vibrated and I almost passed out in class from
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  Speaker 1: it because of the liquid in my face. So I
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  Speaker 1: go to the doctor and the doctor tells me what
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  Speaker 1: needs to be done, tells my mom what needs to
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  Speaker 1: be done. We have this discussion and we decide, you know,
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  Speaker 1: there's no other way to get around this. I'm going
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  Speaker 1: to have to take time off from school to do
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  Speaker 1: this because If I keep this infection inside of me,
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to die. So we schedule a surgery. I
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  Speaker 1: go into the hospital. The physician broke my nose, removed
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  Speaker 1: part of it, removed part of the septum, put it
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  Speaker 1: back together. And I know that he had to use
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  Speaker 1: more than one thing to secure it. Because it took
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  Speaker 1: multiple visits. Showed seven feet of gauze. Up in there.
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  Speaker 1: And then I had. Some recovery time. And then I
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  Speaker 1: went in. And he pulled seven feet of gauze. Out
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  Speaker 1: of my nose. Like some sort of clown show. With
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  Speaker 1: lots of blood. And then. There was the removal. Of
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  Speaker 1: the bits and pieces. That he used. To stick my
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  Speaker 1: nose together. And it was. It was a trip, I
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  Speaker 1: will tell you that. It did not feel good. It
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  Speaker 1: hurt really badly. And the reason that he ended up
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  Speaker 1: having to do it was because in my family, some
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  Speaker 1: of us get this rapid growth on the inside of
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  Speaker 1: the nose that the outside apparently doesn't keep up with.
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  Speaker 1: So it just bends in the middle or above the middle.
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  Speaker 1: And depending on how long the cartilage part is. And
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  Speaker 1: it blocks off everything. And once it blocks off everything,
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  Speaker 1: the cavities, the sinus cavities fill up with fluid. With
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  Speaker 1: mucus and then fluid because it's compressed. Until it hurts
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  Speaker 1: too bad for you to ignore it. And then you
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  Speaker 1: have to go through the surgery. But if you were
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  Speaker 1: doing it just for looks. Just for looks. um because
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  Speaker 1: maybe you had a bump on your nose or maybe
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  Speaker 1: your nose was a little bit crooked or you wanted
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  Speaker 1: one of those cute little button noses you know whatever
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  Speaker 1: he's still gonna have to cut you open he's still
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  Speaker 1: gonna have to and they they go into the inside
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  Speaker 1: of your nose which is why people that have had
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  Speaker 1: nose jobs don't have a big scar down the top
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  Speaker 1: they go to the inside of your nose they break
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  Speaker 1: the septum if your nose needs straightened um Or they
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  Speaker 1: shave off part of the bone if you have a
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  Speaker 1: bump on your nose and the bump isn't from a
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  Speaker 1: deviated septum. So these types of surgeries still involve injury,
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  Speaker 1: bone breaking, and sometimes removal of cartilage. Similarly, if you
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  Speaker 1: have an overbite or an underbite, and then again, these
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  Speaker 1: are surgeries, some people can have an overbite or an
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  Speaker 1: underbite that are so bad They cannot chew their food.
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  Speaker 1: They can have a cleft palate all the way up
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  Speaker 1: into the roof of their mouth where it's split, like
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  Speaker 1: where you would touch the roof of your mouth with
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  Speaker 1: your tongue, not just in the front where the teeth are,
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  Speaker 1: but all the way back. And that can have to
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  Speaker 1: be repaired. And it can involve, again, it's a surgical procedure.
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  Speaker 1: And there's an area of the body that's being corrected.
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  Speaker 1: And then there are people who want their face to
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  Speaker 1: look more attractive that get similar changes made. There's a surgery.
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  Speaker 1: A night motorcyclist mentioned that Japanese men break their legs
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  Speaker 1: multiple times just to be taller than 5'8. There are
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  Speaker 1: people who develop a condition where one leg is longer
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  Speaker 1: than the other. And that's how that surgery was protected
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  Speaker 1: or perfected. But there are other people. There are Americans
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  Speaker 1: who have their legs broken multiple times to be taller
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  Speaker 1: than five foot eight, too. So there's looks maxing isn't new.
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  Speaker 3: I'm five seven.
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  Speaker 1: Five seven. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: That that that tracks, because when I met you, I
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  Speaker 1: was just barely taller than you. I used to be
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  Speaker 1: five foot nine and a half. I did have a
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  Speaker 1: lady at the hospital tell me I'm only five foot eight.
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  Speaker 1: My physician at my general practitioner had me measure with
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  Speaker 1: no shoes on and said that I'm five nine and
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  Speaker 1: close to five nine, just below. So I've shrunk. Is
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  Speaker 1: that what?
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  Speaker 3: That's tough for a woman, isn't it?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I think average height for a woman is 5'6, 5'4,
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  Speaker 1: somewhere in there. Not very tall. My mom was below average,
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  Speaker 1: if I remember right. She was 5'5, when she was young.
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  Speaker 1: I'll eventually hit average height, if I keep shrinking at
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  Speaker 1: this rate. Just depends. My spinal column is going to
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  Speaker 1: compress over time. time a little more than average so
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  Speaker 1: we'll we'll see what happens one of these days i'll
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  Speaker 1: be looking you eye to eye but in any case
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  Speaker 1: yeah looks maxing not new people have been doing it
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  Speaker 1: and that's just with the broken bones and stuff if
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: you include makeup it goes back to ancient Egypt and
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  Speaker 1: probably prior to that. If you go back to things
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  Speaker 1: like wearing headdresses to appear big and scary because it's
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  Speaker 1: more intimidating to certain types of animals, tribal people did that.
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  Speaker 1: And I think it's probably where a lot of modern
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  Speaker 1: ceremonial dress comes from. You might wear a lot of
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  Speaker 1: feathers to celebrate That you killed certain types of birds,
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: but all animals, not just human animals, but all animals.
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  Speaker 1: It's not just us. It's every creature makes itself look
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: bigger if it's scared and it's trying to stand its
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: ground or buy time to be able to run away.
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  Speaker 1: Those rings, yeah, shadow classes, those rings women wore to
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  Speaker 1: stretch their necks in Africa. Um, all of that, like
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  Speaker 1: altering your, your, uh, physique and also, um, modifying like
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  Speaker 1: with tattoos, uh, using makeup, adding jewelry, decorating yourself. Clothing
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  Speaker 1: probably started both as warmth and decoration. Um, oh, I see.
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  Speaker 1: And while we pointed out, uh, um, stretch their necks,
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  Speaker 1: putting planes into ear lobes and bottom, uh, bottom lips
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  Speaker 1: in the, um, uh, rumble chat women, women used to, uh,
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  Speaker 1: do all kinds of things like that. And there's a
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  Speaker 1: lot of people that have, so yeah, I mean, it
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  Speaker 1: looks maxing is just one way to talk about it.
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  Speaker 1: And I suppose because the term has enough common usage that, um, it's,
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  Speaker 1: People are starting to hear it in the mainstream. It's
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  Speaker 1: going to need a dictionary definition.
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  Speaker 3: Freud isn't in the dictionary yet.
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  Speaker 1: That one might not, because it's an insult.
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: But a lot of male insults are in the dictionary,
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  Speaker 3: I think.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true. And they'll probably put Moid in there first,
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  Speaker 1: because I hear that one a lot. I get called
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  Speaker 1: that one a lot.
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  Speaker 3: Or Scrope.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, or Scrope. Oh my gosh, yeah, that one. I
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: discovered that one for myself, at least, you know, when
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: we started sort of investigating the female dating strategy subreddit
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  Speaker 1: until they went private because we were investigating them.
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  Speaker 3: Matt uses that one a lot now. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And personally, I just, I don't know. A lot of
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: the slang... There are slang dictionaries, and it's fair for
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: dictionaries to have entries that explain slang usage of real words.
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: And then if a word becomes common usage, they're going
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: to have to put a definition in for it. I'll
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: bet at some point in the history of the word spam,
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: the definition had to be updated because it means something
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: besides just the food. And, yeah, and it's enshrined in
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: a piece of American legislation. So, yeah, it's fairly something
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: to be expected.
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: I think. I'm kind of sad the word toilet hasn't
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: got over yet. That's why women.
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that'll take a while.
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: They use that in the forums now. Yeah.
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that doesn't surprise me. I mean, since women decided
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: to invent Moid and also start talking about International Toilet
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: Day being on International or World Toilet Day being on
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: International Men's Day as if it's derogatory, when in fact,
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: what the hell would we do without indoor plumbing? Thank
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: God for men.
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: And that's when Grand Fork Toilet 6 comes out. I
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: want to play. It comes out the 19th of November.
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: That'll be interesting. I wonder if it'll make a difference.
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: Probably not.
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: Probably not.
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: But in the meantime, yeah, you're probably going to see
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: more and more internet jargon from various forums. The minute
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: that people start using it in common language, I mean,
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: looks maxing Anything maxing, anything with the word maxing or
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: the suffix maxing added to it. Yeah, it's going to
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: become a thing.
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: Biscuit maxing.
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I've seen, I think I sent you a bulletin,
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: not bulletin board, billboard.
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: It said lawyer maxing.
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: Yep, lawyer maxing. So the attorney in his ad, I
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: don't know what you think, I can find that picture.
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: I might have shown it last week, now that I
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: think about it. But I'm pretty sure I can easily
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: just scroll up, find it, and open it. That is
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: the wrong... You.
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: Sent me another one called Fiber Max as well.
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah. There we go. Yep, it's this one. This is
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: an old people magazine, guys. I'm not kidding. This is
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: where will it let me open it?
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: Open.
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: There we go. Open image link, but not in the
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: right spot. So we'll just move it up here.
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: Maybe.
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: There we go. Fiber maxing.
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: And this is a supplement to some. nutritional magazine or
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: something like some health magazine or some shit like that
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: right so they called it fiber maxing this is being
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: marketed to boomers and gen xers right so there you
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: go um the lawyer maxing one is i think way
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: way back it.
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: Was uh I posted it in the call that we're
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: in now.
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: Oh, here it is.
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: Good.
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: Open. Here we go.
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: I don't know if this will... If this shows in
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: the shared screen or not.
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's showing in the shared screen.
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: Good, because for some reason, Discord doesn't do a good
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: job of showing me what's in the shared screen. But yeah,
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: lawyer maxing. So, you know, I mean, this isn't dumb.
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: This is somebody who got people's attention. He got my attention.
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: Now y'all are seeing his ad because I'm talking about it. And,
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: you know, this is an attorney using the common lingo. Sorry,
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: this is the after show article we will be going over.
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: But yeah, so what I would say about the, not lingo,
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: but jargon of the incel forums, the different incel forums
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: and how it's sort of unified around certain things, it's
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: big enough and common enough Like, you don't see people
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: talking about gynocentrism. The mainstream public isn't talking about gynocentrism.
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: That's not one that's popular. But adding maxing to the
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: end of a word to describe doing it a lot
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: or emphasizing it or improving it, you know, various, doing
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: it the strongest, whatever. That's known to the mainstream. They
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: know how to use that. They've come up with an
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: understanding of that style, which means there are significantly more
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: incels than there are MRAs. It's a much larger, mostly
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: silent population that people aren't thinking about because it is
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: a mostly silent population.
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: Right? As the silent revolution as well. Yeah.
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: Very, very much so. OIC and Wowie gave us $ 2
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: and said, random funny thing, friend and I joked that
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: even foodie callers from 10 years ago were more respectful
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: than foodie callers today. At least they actually pretended to
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: like your company. Oh, that's, that's, that's cool. Um, then
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: we also got a super chow, which I just accidentally buried.
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: I need to find my window. There we go. This
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: one is actually supposed to be for Mike. Um, And
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: he's not here, so we'll have to do our best.
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: Can you do a Mike impression? No.
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: I don't think I have the gravitas in my voice,
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: at least. I definitely don't have the gravel, or the stones,
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: for lack of a better term, to do an impression
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: of Mike's voice. Retro gaming. Oh, no, it's Dark Kikimora.
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: gave us $ 30 and boy, that was a bad dyslexic moment.
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: I switched a whole word there. Said retro gaming question
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: for the doc. It's often said that North Korea doesn't
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: have a video game because even if you played as
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: the North Koreans, you could depict the North Korean army
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: negatively if you lost. So when the US Congress claimed
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: that Night Trap promoted violence against women because women would
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: die if you got a game over, Does that mean
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: that the U.S. government cares more if you depict an
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: army of womanhood losing than if you depict their actual
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: United States Army losing? So, geez. The United States government has...
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: There's two parts to it, right? You have the elected officials,
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: and that's what people think of when they think of
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: the United States government. But it's like I just described
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: with incels, only this is more like... You know those...
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: Those lakes that are famous for, like, there's a legend
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: that an evil spirit comes out of the lake periodically
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: and kills the people that live close to it. And
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: then you find out, well, it's not an evil spirit.
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: It's methane or it's CO2, carbon dioxide, or it's carbon monoxide.
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: Something like that comes along, bubbles up out of the water.
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: And floats along the ground, displaces all the breathable air,
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: and everybody within the bubble suffocates. That's the other part
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: of the U.S. government. That's the bureaucracy. And it's significantly
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: bigger and significantly more hidden from you, unless you go
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: looking for it, than the elected officials are. And that
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: part runs... Everything that the elected officials decide the government
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: is going to do. That part cares significantly more if
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: you disparage women any way, shape, or form than if
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: you completely ridicule the United States Army or any other
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: part of the military. They don't give a rat's ass.
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: They also hate men in general. Richard Beer gave us
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: $ 5 and said, I forgot to ask, last time did
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: Hannah take Lauren and Doc to Waffle House at the
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: conclusion of the meetup? Yes, and you'll have to ask
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: Mike what he thought of it. Lauren's been, obviously. But
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: when he returns home next week, we'll have him back
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: to normal. And he can tell you if he enjoyed
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: the Waffle House.
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: You've got to take me to Waffle House next year.
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, you'll definitely get to try Waffle House if
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: you come to America. You have to show up at
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: least once at a Waffle House. Yeah, I personally, I
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: did one thing that day. I don't usually get to
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: eat pork, but I screwed up my hip so badly
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: that adding a little more pain wouldn't matter. So I did.
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: I ate ham. And it was good.
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: The Muslims got two things right, women and pork.
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: There we go. Most of the time, yeah, pork is
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: not my friend anymore. So it's just part of getting
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: old for my family.
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: Pork is my foot.
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: Yep, that's gout. But, like I said, there's a certain
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: pain threshold where it takes a lot more pain before
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: you get to the next threshold. I hit that, that's
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: when I eat pork. It's really bad. It's like, well,
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: this isn't going to do anything to me anyway because
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: it's already bad enough. I'm not even going to notice
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: if you pile on another one.
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: That and peanut butter.
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that one can get you pretty bad too. But,
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: you know, it could be worse.
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: Have you tried Marmite before?
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: No, I actually haven't.
• 34:54
  Speaker 3: Okay. If I come next year, I'm going to bring
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: Marmite for you. Okay.
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: You know what? I actually went to... I did try
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: Vegemite when I was in Australia. That was one that...
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: Very salty.
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: Oh, you're not going to like Marmite then?
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't do very salty. Ham is about my
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: limit when it comes to salty. And that's a little
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: bit much. There has to be something with it. But yeah,
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: Shadowclaw Prime wants to know if we've ever had potato
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: pancake latkes. Oh, yes. My mom used to make those.
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: It's been a while since I've made them, but those
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: are actually... Now I'm going to have to do that
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: sometime soon because I forgot how much I love those.
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: In any case, with the terminology, incel terminology discussion off
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: the table here, we'll go ahead and get into the.
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: It's not really an article, but it is an article
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: because it's an article links post. It's kind of hard
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: with Twitter anymore. It used to be you had 120
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: characters and now you can actually do Reddit and write 10,000
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: if you are a paid user.
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: It was 140 characters.
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: 140, okay. Yeah. Is this the right one? I think
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: I went back to the wrong one.
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: Nope.
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: There we go. No, it is not it. One of
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: these is, there we go. Women absolutely are lying. They
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: did weaponize sex, and it started with the lie that
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: they were being oppressed in the mid-20th century when they
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: bitched and complained about their families and communities, pressuring them
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: to find a suitable partner they could build a life
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: with early on instead of thinking about their hormones, feelings,
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: or their vagina. What they really wanted the whole time
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: was to use men for short-term resource acquisition, money, labor, favors, gifts,
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: and immature narcissistic sexual instant gratification. Most people have been
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: conditioned to go along with this and not have boundaries
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: and standards that would defeat it. And this is something
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: that I can attest to. I grew up, my dating
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: years started in the 1980s. the second half of the 1980s,
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: before the slut walks existed, I think. Because I don't
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: remember the term slut shaming being a thing prior to
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: maybe the late 1990s, early 21st century. It definitely wasn't
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: a thing when I was in school. Nobody treated you
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: like you were the scum of the earth for slut-shaming
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: a woman. That was not a thing. In fact, it
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: was more normal to ostracize somebody for sleeping around still
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: if you were high school or young college age during
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: that time. The movies portrayed women just screwing whoever they
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: felt like. But in real life, in the actual social
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: culture at that time. You still if you there was.
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: There were still teeth in it. If someone called you
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: a slut. Let me put it that way. And I think.
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: I really want to say I was like 25 before
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: that changed. I was, by that time, I was no
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: longer attending university. I was just working and living. And
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: if somebody called you a slut, it was like, yeah, so? Okay,
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: you called me a slut. You can call me You know,
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: a toaster too, if you want to. I don't care.
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: Other people aren't going to change their opinion of me
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: because you said that. But if somebody said it in, say, 1987,
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: when I was a freshman in high school, it could
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: affect your whole reputation. You could lose the ability to
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: attract prospective dates. Right. Shadowclaw says he was a little
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: bit more brutal with his version. But they were asking
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: for it. I saw the comments. They were asking for it.
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: But the thing is, you know, this thing, what women
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: wanted and what they pushed into place here, right? They
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: acted like they were being oppressed when they bitched and
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: complained about, you know, you were taught in the 70s
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: and the 80s and the early 90s to be picky
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: about who you were with, to not just trust any
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: old guy when we were, we, the term date rape,
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: I think started to emerge in the nineties. I don't
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: remember hearing about it when I was in high school,
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: but I remember hearing about it when I was in college.
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: So I graduated high school in 1991. And, uh, I
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: want to say the very next year was the first
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: time I personally remember hearing the phrase date rape, which
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: means I probably heard it and disregarded it when I
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: was a senior. So somewhere around 1990, maybe 1989 at
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: the earliest, it probably was being used on TV and
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: in movies and stuff. It's just I didn't watch a
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: lot of stuff, although I did. Did watch some cop shows,
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: so you would think it would show up there, but
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: maybe not. But in any case, now, you know, like
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: everybody's familiar with these terms. Back then, that was not
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: really all that common. In fact, you know, now, today,
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: we can talk about the history of Hollywood portrayal of women...
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: Who made allegations of intimate partner and sexual violence. As
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: victims of not being believed.
• 41:53
  Speaker 3: And like.
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: When I started dating. That idea was kind of alien.
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: The idea that if you said somebody did something to you.
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: And they didn't get punished. Without some sort of an
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: investigation to prove that they did it. Um, there, there
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: was no, it was alien to think that, uh, you know,
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: they should be, that they should be punished or that
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: you were a victim of their not being punished. And
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: my junior year, maybe my sophomore year, I wasn't, um,
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: I don't think I was driving yet. A movie came
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: out called The Accused. Jodie Foster was the victim in
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: the story. And she gets gang raped in a bar.
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: And the trial is harrowing. And they portray reasonable doubt
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: until evidence is provided as an attack on the victim.
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: So essentially the idea that you ask for her whereabouts,
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: what was she doing? Was she drunk or sober? Did
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: she fight back and all that kind of stuff? Was
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: it consensual, basically? Or was it not consensual? And they
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: needed evidence before they convicted these guys. Now, Hollywood exaggerated
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: it to the degree of uh, portraying this as, uh,
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: boys will be boys versus woman who got brutally victimized
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: and harmed. Um, and, and yeah, if I remember right
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: in the movie, she behaved provocatively and that was part
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: of the story was, um, this idea that people, people
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: who claim, um, That there are people who claim that
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: a woman deserves to be raped if she behaves provocatively.
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: Where in reality, there are people who claim a woman
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: is putting herself in danger if she behaves provocatively because
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: there are always bad people. There's always bad guys. And
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: the moment you're unprotected, they know who they're going to pick.
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: And it doesn't mean that you deserve it, but it
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: doesn't matter if you deserve it or not. If your
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: risk is increased, that increases the likelihood that it's going
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: to happen to you anyway. They used to say that
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: if you wear dark clothing outdoors, you're more likely to
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: get bitten by mosquitoes than if you wear light clothing.
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: And I don't know if that's even true or not,
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: but if it had been true, if it was solid
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: information that was irrefutably proved and proven, for years prior
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: to that, you know, people who didn't know it had
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: a preference for dark clothes, you know, and stuff like that,
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: and then they would get bitten. And, you know, do
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: you say that those people deserved to get one of
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: the viruses that mosquitoes pass around because they wore a
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: dark shirt? No. But does that change the fact that
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: it makes it under that scenario more likely that they
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: would get bitten?
• 45:38
  Speaker 3: Right?
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: No, it doesn't change a thing. Whether they deserve it
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: or not doesn't change a thing. The likelihood remains exactly
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: the same whether you deserve it or not. Now, what
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: I've heard more recently, and night motorcyclists must have watched
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: the same video I did, they're finding out that it's
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: the bacteria on your skin. There's different types of mosquitoes
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: and different ones prefer people with different bacteria. And I
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: think it has to do something to do with the pheromones,
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: the bacteria put off. Some of them smell more sugary
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: and some of them smelled other ways. And, um, you know,
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: so there are things that change that likelihood. But for instance, if,
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: if I had done something as a teenager, as a
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: actually 12 year old, to make it more likely for
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: a mosquito to bite me than, say, the other people
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: in the room. The night that I got encephalitis, was
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: that my fault? Did I ask for it?
• 46:41
  Speaker 3: No.
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: But did it also put me in danger if that
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: was the case? Yes, because it made the mosquito more
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: likely to bite me, and it did, and I got
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: very sick and almost died. Can you talk about that
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: with mosquitoes, with regard to mosquitoes? Yeah, because you're not insulting...
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: a particular sex's narcissism. But when you start talking about
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: this particular crime and this particular type of behavior, all
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: of a sudden, women are supposed to be uniquely exempt
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: from criticism. You can criticize men for fucking everything that moves.
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: A man who does that, the criticisms he gets, he's
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: a player, he's a cad, he's dangerous, he's going to
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: infect somebody someday, he's disloyal, blah, blah, blah. But if
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: a woman does it and you say, maybe this isn't
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: the type of relationship I want to have, somebody else
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: will appreciate you more and I'm going to move on
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: to somebody with More of a similar lifestyle to myself.
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: That little mild of a statement. That's enough. To piss
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: her off. Make her feel shamed. And create an enemy
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: for life. And she might even falsely accuse you of something.
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: So they did weaponize sex. Just like Shadow Claw said.
• 48:24
  Speaker 3: Um.
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: Think I'm lying, he goes on. If women really were
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: interested in finding someone they loved, which is what they
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: originally said they wanted when they got rid of the
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: model where families and communities guided young girls into finding
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: a suitable mate, then what would be at the top
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: of the list? Think about it. The qualities and traits.
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: What qualities and traits would a man need to qualify?
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: Good faith, genuine relating, the capacity to commit by showing
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: dedicated interest in courting only one female at a time.
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: A man who can demonstrate authenticity, depth, character, family values,
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: healthy boundaries, principles, vulnerability, loyalty, companionship, partnership, healthy pair bonding.
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: the desire to support a partner and build a life together,
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: and the resources as a team needed to accomplish that.
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: And I personally would say a woman should have to
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: have all those things as well. She would need to
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: demonstrate those same qualities. Instead, women are actively filtering these
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: things out. And it's true. And I watched this and
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: I've had fights with women who I know personally over
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: this because they've chosen men who are the polar opposite,
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: guys that screw everything that moves, guys with no depth
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: to them, guys that are that, you know, on the surface,
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: they look perfect, but underneath there's a problem. The one thing.
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: woman that I was close to for years and years who, uh,
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: who married a guy, uh, that, that was genuinely abusive. Um,
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: that I actually got to know the guy a little
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: bit because there was another one that I don't know
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: anything about. I never got to know that guy. And
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: it's sort of the same thing with both of them, right?
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: They kind of hid those guys from the people closest
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: to them before they, uh, Went far enough, got married,
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: and it was too late to get advice from the
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: people around them because they're already married to not marry
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: that guy. Why would you do that? Why would you
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: not ask the people who love you to help you
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: uncover your blind spots with somebody that you have the
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: hots for? Make sure you're not making a stupid decision. Especially,
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: my friend had made a few stupid decisions. Her current
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: husband is her third husband. And the situation got out
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: of control to the degree that this guy tried to
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: kill her before she separated from him. And then we
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: learned all the things that we were not allowed to
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: know before that. all the red flags that she was like, well,
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: that's not really that way. He'd just been to the dentist, this, that,
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: and the other. These women will, if some guy is exciting,
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: high energy, aggressive, has a modicum of good looks, but
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: he doesn't necessarily have to be hot. A guy who
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: can demonstrate dominance and A guy who can demonstrate... You know,
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: go-to-it type of guy. Aggression. Like, that's who they go for.
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: And then they end up in deep shit. And that's
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: how I initially learned how women's shelters work. From a
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: friend who needed one. Because she latched on to... Like,
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: if the devil had... A severely. Retarded stepchild. That was
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: this guy.
• 52:43
  Speaker 3: Why?
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: Because hormones I guess.
• 52:52
  Speaker 3: And that's why. The world is in decline.
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: That's why what?
• 52:57
  Speaker 3: That's why the world is in decline. Yes.
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: That is one of the major reasons. why the world
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: is in decline. Because women do stuff like that, right?
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: And then they say, well, that's all men. And then
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: when a guy comes along who is good faith, genuine relating,
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: has the capacity to commit by showing dedicated interest, according
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: to only one female at a time, who demonstrates authenticity,
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: who has depth, character, family values, healthy boundaries, principles, vulnerability, loyalty, companionship, partnership,
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: who engages in healthy pair bonding, all of those things
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: on Shadow Claw's list, they don't like him because they
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: assume he's the same and just less charismatic. And maybe
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: they don't demonstrate those qualities. So compare that against what
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: women put at the top of the list. The average
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: woman filters for FOMO, pre-selection, novelty, chads. Richard, why don't
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: you explain chads?
• 54:18
  Speaker 3: Chads don't need the job, so it comes down to
• 54:21
  Speaker 3: looks and being tall and very charismatic. So some chads
• 54:26
  Speaker 3: can be small and charismatic, but there are few and
• 54:29
  Speaker 3: far between. It's got to be like the three sixes,
• 54:32
  Speaker 3: if you're a chad. Do I got to explain the
• 54:37
  Speaker 3: three sixes?
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I would.
• 54:40
  Speaker 3: Six figures, six pack and six hello downstairs.
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: So basically six inches, um, or more.
• 54:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: We, we don't have to be PG about it. I think, uh, I've, I've, uh,
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: run into quite a number of, um, videos on YouTube
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: in the past that are, were directed at me because
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: I filled out like the personality survey that like, just
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: because I, um, just because I let YouTube know what
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: everybody else knows that I'm bisexual does not mean that
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: I need to hear stories about lesbians with cake in
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: the background for some dumb reason, but that's what it
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: threw at me. So I'm like, what is this?
• 55:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: Oh, he mentioned the six feet tall first shadow, shadow cloth.
• 55:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah. On my, on my YouTube algorithm, I get a
• 55:36
  Speaker 3: lot of, um, training videos and yeah and like tube
• 55:41
  Speaker 3: videos and stuff and i get a lot of travel
• 55:43
  Speaker 3: videos but with this i don't get to travel i
• 55:46
  Speaker 3: like to watch other people.
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: Travel i actually to go through and uncheck all the
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: boxes because um the stuff that i actually watch if
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: i if i'm looking for something important i usually don't
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: look for it on youtube i look for it on
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: rumble um unless it's like car repair stuff because that's
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: more plentiful on youtube But I don't sit around and
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: watch those for fun. And then the political stuff, I
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: don't want to sit around and watch that all the
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: time for fun either. So most of the time, it's
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: either the stuff I watch to go to sleep, listen
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: to to go to sleep, which is creepypasta readers and
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: Reddit aliens, or it throws at me the stuff I
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: watch because it's fun and interesting and entertaining. And that's,
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: you know, like, I follow Steve Lato's channel because he
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: talks about weird cases and stuff like that. Just, you know,
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: weird stuff like that. But every so often it tries
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: to market something to me that is completely outside of
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: Nothing I wrote or filled out in a survey and
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: nothing that I've sat around and watched. So I think
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: they just push some things. But in any case, yeah,
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: all this. Going back to we don't have to we
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: don't have to PG it because all that stuff you
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: there's cuss words, there's descriptions I've run into graphic descriptions
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: of Saxon YouTube videos, so clearly it's not censored.
• 57:37
  Speaker 3: And they're still monetized.
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: No, but neither are we. They won't monetize us because
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: we're MRAs.
• 57:46
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: We don't have anything to lose there except the channel.
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: Probably not. That might... That's one I haven't run into.
• 57:55
  Speaker 3: Okay. Um.
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: But not without being able to see the face of
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: the person who is saying it. And then it has
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: to be people who are allowed to say it. They
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: have to sound and look like they're allowed to say it.
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: You look like you're allowed to say it, but you
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: don't sound like it.
• 58:18
  Speaker 3: So I've got to put on a black scent. Yeah.
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: An American one, that's the bad part. But yeah. Women
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: seem to select for social status signaling, even when the
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: guy doesn't actually have social status. I've noticed that.
• 58:40
  Speaker 3: Oh, and other women have to be interested in him. Yes.
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, in fact, putting a wedding ring on can cause
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: a guy to become more popular.
• 58:53
  Speaker 3: That was a plot for an Adam Sandler movie.
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well... More women hit on my husband after he
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: put on his wedding ring. so but uh then there's
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: other women that'll act like if they're attracted to you
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: it's your fault and you've done something to them and
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: they've been sexually harassed by you via their attraction that
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: you didn't do anything to try to foster um because.
• 59:22
  Speaker 3: I've had that happen to me.
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: As well yeah my husband has had that happen to
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: him It's very discombobulating, isn't it? Like you didn't do
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: anything and all of a sudden this woman's mad at
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: you for something that happened in her head that you
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: had no part in.
• 59:39
  Speaker 3: I was almost put in handcuffs and I was almost
• 59:43
  Speaker 3: put in a police car.
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: Yep. It's a terrifying and dangerous phenomenon. Women developing an
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: attraction to And to someone who maybe they think is
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: forbidden or someone who they shouldn't be interested in for
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: some reason or another. And then they are embarrassed by
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: their own thoughts. And then they treat you like you
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: victimized them by being attractive to them. They go on.
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: He goes on. um unrealistic demands on physical attractiveness such
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: as muscles height and uh looks way beyond average antisocial
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: sociopathic see that's what um my abused friend selected for
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: was he was actually more like a psychopath you know
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: most psychopaths aren't very bright um the ones you see
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: on tv they're like super smart those are the uh
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: The rarity among real life. Most of them end up
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: in trouble with the law. This guy went to jail
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: for selling speed to a cop. If I remember right,
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 1: he actually solicited the cop to buy the speed. And
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: it was just dumb. Dark triad, Machiavellianism, narcissism, psychopathy. All
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: those traits and behaviors. Fake, inauthentic, practiced, performative, charisma, indifference, detachment,
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: bad boys, games. A lot of course resources. And of
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: course resources. Success, money, etc. that a man already has.
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: I think I grew out of that in high school.
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: A lot of junior high school girls are like that.
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: That's why you see the popularity of stories like Twilight.
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 3: Being.
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: Practical magic. Yeah, practical magic. Those kind of things are
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: popular with girls that are 11, 12, 13, maybe as
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: old as 16, and then they start growing out of
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: it if they have good parents who teach them to
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: have a square head on their shoulders, you know. But...
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 1: If they don't have good parents, they don't grow out
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: of it. They start looking for real-life bad boys, their
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: real-life vampire, their real-life werewolf, their real-life whatever else it was,
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: like their real-life Mr. Gray, whatever his name was from
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: Fifty Shades.
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 3: Oh, you're going to worry.
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: Am I what?
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 3: No, you got the name right.
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 1: I got it right. That was his name, Fifty. That
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: makes sense.
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 1: That's right.
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: The only Grey I think of when I think of
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: a character from a story is Dorian Grey, who was
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: also like that. He was a psychopath. People probably remember
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: him from, was it The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen? There
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 1: was something he was in. It had Tom Sawyer and all.
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 1: More fictionalized versions of these fictional characters. But the original,
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 1: the picture of Dorian Grey novel, was about a man
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 1: as observed by his friend who painted a picture of him.
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 1: And this man, no matter what he did, no matter
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: how long he aged, no matter what he put his
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: body through, no matter what he ingested, how he treated people,
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: how his personality changed, his physical appearance didn't. But the
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: painting that this friend painted had made of him his
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 1: friends an artist the painting changed he had given him
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: the painting and he had it up on the wall
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: in his house and you know the friend heard of
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 1: him doing something kind of dastardly and mean to a
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 1: young lady and nothing in his demeanor or appearance gave
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 1: away that he had been a complete and utter piece
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: of shit to this woman Right. But when you looked
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: at the painting, there was a hint of a smirk.
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 1: It just looked the face no longer looked like the
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: picture of innocence that he had been prior to the behavior.
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 1: And then, you know, there's another incident that would change
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 1: your appearance and his appearance doesn't change. But the painting
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: does and it continues to change. And then suddenly it's gone.
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: He has put it. away in the attic and of
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: course later in the story he still looks young and
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: innocent angelic right perfect and the picture has you know
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: like pus running down the face and and open sores
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 1: and a horrifying expression of evil hard eyes you know
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: And if I remember right, the novel is actually called
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 1: A Picture of Dorian Gray, but it might be The
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: Painting of Dorian Gray. But yeah, the painting changed the
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 1: whole time. That's the character that I think of when
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: I think of gray. And it's a terrifying idea that
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: a person could do horrible, evil things their whole life.
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: The scariest evil people are the ones that... Like, Jeffrey
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: Dahmer didn't look scary. Ted Bundy didn't look scary. They looked....
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 3: Safe.
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: And trustworthy. Their evil deeds didn't show on their faces
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: until after they got caught. And... It's what helped them
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 1: nail their victims. Like, if every... evil, scary, serial killer
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 1: type looked like Charles Manson, it would be a lot
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 1: harder for them to get victims. I think that's why
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 1: it's scarier, the idea of, you know, the female serial
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 1: killers are scarier people to me than male serial killers
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 1: because people have this automatic trust in women that they
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: shouldn't have. And women can be downright unattractive and people
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 1: will still treat them with deference and not distrust them
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 1: you know like they'll automatically trust them so yeah women
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 1: do select for that bullshit and it does cause very
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 1: dangerous outcomes and maturity creates you know a mind that
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 1: stops doing that But unfortunately, maturity is not something that
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 1: you're allowed to help a woman develop.
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 3: Anymore.
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 1: It's now an insult. OIC and Huawei gave us $ 2
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 1: and said, wow, this guy is loyal. Clearly he's a
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 1: good partner, so I'm going to go after him. Yeah. Unfortunately, no.
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 1: Women often don't do that. If he's super loyal, so
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 1: they're going to exploit him for small favors, you know,
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 1: like painting one side of the house over and over
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 1: again for 20 years and never date him. Oh, yeah.
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: Women going after marriage. Yeah, yeah. Well, that's the funny thing, right?
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 1: If he's loyal to his wife, they get mad. If
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 1: women were, we looked at that.
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 3: No, we didn't.
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah. If women were really interested in building a life
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 1: with someone they love, these things would not be at
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 1: the top of the list. They wouldn't be prioritizing short-term
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 1: resource acquisition. Instead, they would want to try to work
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 1: together with a partner whose resources to gather those resources
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 1: to build the life they want together as a team. Instead,
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 1: what you see is women staying in arrested development as 14-year-olds,
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 1: prioritizing shallow, childish attraction, actively filtering out healthy socialization needed
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 1: for long-term life-building partnership and chasing after instant gratification. You know, Shadowclaw,
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 1: what you said about....
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 3: Men.
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 1: Young men. and boys not getting the socialization that is
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 1: normal it's a normal part of growing up um oh
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 1: i'm i better sit still if my audio is fading
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 1: in and out it's probably because i have a loose
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 1: wire In the microphone, not my head. We will have
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 1: feminists going, yes, you do. You have a loose wire.
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 1: But what you said about guys not getting that socialization,
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 1: if women are selecting out everybody except the chads and
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 1: the assholes and the dipshits, guess what they're learning about men?
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 1: Guess with who they're learning to socialize with? guess who
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 1: they're learning to negotiate with and guess who they're learning
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 1: to care about or not care about. Not, you know,
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 1: the normal guy. It's not the guy who grows up
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 1: to do a regular job and pay his rent every
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 1: month or buy a house and pay his mortgage every
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 1: month until it's paid off or for however long he
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 1: stays there. It's some dipshit that's going to end up
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 1: in jail or some dipshit that's never going to get
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 1: out of poverty or some dipshit that's going to leave.
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 1: She doesn't learn any more than he does. Both sexes
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 1: are self-destructing as a result of this. But women are
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 1: responsible for their own destruction and the destruction of guys.
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 3: And society.
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 1: And society, yeah. If you actually use pattern recognition, the
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 1: pattern becomes obvious, but if you've conditioned your whole life
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 1: to not see these things, then you won't see them.
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 1: You'll stay in ignorance. The downstream effect is females filtering
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 1: out males during the most important years of their youth
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 1: when both sexes need to develop skills they need to
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 1: socialize with the opposite sex, genuinely relate good faith, and
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 1: learn how to navigate healthy courting and relationships. In fact...
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 1: This results in women seeing men's boundaries as an affront,
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 1: a personal affront. If she wants something of yours and
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 1: you say no, you've insulted her. She doesn't understand that
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 1: you have a right to say no because it's yours
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 1: and not community property that she gets to take if
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 1: you're not holding on to it in the moment. That's
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 1: the part where dysfunctional selection, which has shifted toward female
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 1: short-term gratification, narcissism, and childish, becomes the weapon that has
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 1: destroyed social development, mostly with boys, but also with girls.
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 1: It has caused widespread damage to the social skills of boys,
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 1: resulting in incels and a loneliness epidemic, and unhappiness with
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 1: both sexes, and has created multiple generations of lonely, bitter
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 1: women who end up alone and single. You know, the
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 1: worst part of it for women. Not necessarily the worst
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 1: part of it for society, but just women specifically. It
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 1: has to be that when the consequences hit, these women don't...
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 1: It feels like a meteor fell out of the sky
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 1: and landed these consequences on them out of nowhere. They
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 1: have no idea why it's happening. Why are they suddenly
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 1: not interesting enough to the types of men that have always,
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 1: you know, gone after them for the pussy? Why are
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 1: they suddenly no longer getting the phone calls, getting cat calls,
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 1: you know, getting curtain calls? Why are they suddenly no
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 1: longer fixing breakfast in the boyfriend shirt? And why do
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 1: they have so many cats? They don't know. It never
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 1: computes for them. So they go back to the staple
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 1: in their life. It must be something men are doing
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 1: to them. It's men's fault. The patriarchy did this. They
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 1: are victims. It doesn't occur to them that you can
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 1: only get away with acting like an immature little female
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 1: dipshit when you're young enough to be cute. While you're
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 1: doing that, the minute you're not cute anymore, the behavior
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 1: is no longer acceptable. Gynocentrism culture refuses to actually have
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 1: standards for women and tell them to grow the fuck up.
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 1: This is true, and in fact, gynocentrism culture predisposes gynocentric
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 1: people to be offended if a woman does grow up.
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 1: There must be something wrong with her if she grows up.
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 1: And she's an affront to other women and to the
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 1: expectations that gynocentric men have for women. But most of
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 1: them don't have the attention span to read this far,
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 1: or they stay locked in cognitive bias due to indoctrination. Nothing,
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 1: Shadowclaw says, will... reach them so they won't question anything
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 1: they believe or even reconsider what he's saying in good
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 1: faith and that's true and i wonder because uh the
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 1: previous comment went kind of viral let's let's boost it
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 1: a little bit and see maybe it'll maybe it'll happen
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 1: again maybe it won't but that'll at least That'll at
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 1: least give it some views from anybody that follows me
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 1: that isn't also following Shadowclaw. I don't know if that helps, too.
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 1: But there we go. So that's that. And I want
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 1: to remind you, when we read the previous comment, and
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 1: we started going down, let's see, We read all of this,
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 1: I think. This woman, I didn't talk much about what
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 1: she had to say. But this is, she does this
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 1: with every comment that I see her responding to. Her
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 1: response isn't to what Shadowclaw said. She has a profound
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 1: obsession with the claim that some trad con men make
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 1: that it is the man's responsibility to lead as head
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 1: of the household. So it is a man's responsibility to
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 1: make the hard decisions that a woman won't make. You know, like,
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 1: where do you want to go out to dinner tonight?
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 1: If you just ask her and then leave it up
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 1: to her, it's going to take four hours.
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 3: A mindful thought. I've seen my mom's mind go blank
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 3: when my stepdad asked that question. Yeah. And mine just went, like, kaput.
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I have to break it down. You know, like,
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 1: that's one of my... That's one of the ways in
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 1: which I'm very feminine. Somebody says, where do you want
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 1: to go get food? My first thought is, oh, shit.
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 3: Right?
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 1: I have no clue. Because I will eat just about anything, food-wise.
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 1: I don't have a lot of food allergies. I only
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 1: have a few. There's not very, very much that's on
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 1: the list of, you know, cannot haves. So then I
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 1: start thinking about, well, what's a place that you like
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 1: that has insert type of food here? Like maybe what
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 1: kind of burger places do you like or what kind
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 1: of places do you like to have fish? You know,
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 1: and then I'll narrow. We'll go back and forth a
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 1: couple of sentences and narrow it down. That's how. You know, actually,
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 1: Richard Beer says just say Cheesecake Factory. I've never been there.
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 3: What's Cheesecake Factory?
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 1: It's a restaurant. The name of it sounds expensive. And
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 1: so I've never had an interesting... That's a really weird
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 1: thing to say, but I've never had an interest in
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 1: going there because the name of it sounds expensive. And
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 1: it also sounds like it's all dessert all the time.
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 1: It's probably not. But that's a huge turnoff.
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 3: To me.
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 1: For a place to go eat if it's named after
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 1: a dessert. If there was a place called Mama's House,
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 1: I'd probably go there. The food's probably going to be
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 1: mostly affordable and also well-balanced. If we can't pick anything else,
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 1: I end up picking one of those Korean places that
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 1: you pick from A protein source and some vegetables and
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 1: some rice or noodles and everybody can get what they want.
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 1: But in any case, I'm not the leader in that situation.
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 1: I'm asking questions and guiding a choice that ultimately ends
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 1: up still being his choice. Because I don't want to pick.
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 1: But then I'm not going to bitch about the restaurant
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 1: either because I didn't pick it. I just helped narrow
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 1: it down. Women's normal habit is they make you pick
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 1: and then they bitch about it. They can't bitch about
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 1: it if they pick the restaurant. I don't want to
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 1: pick the restaurant, but I also don't want to bitch
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 1: about it if I didn't pick the restaurant. So I'm
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 1: only halfway there with normal behavior for women. It just
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 1: doesn't make sense to bitch about something if you refuse
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 1: to make a choice. But women will do this. He
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 1: talked about his topic, and she just decided she was
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 1: going to hijack it for her own topic.
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 3: They always do that. Yeah. I might have a tweet
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 3: that might go viral.
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 1: Oh, good.
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 3: It's starting to pick up steam.
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 1: Maybe we'll look at that one next week. But I
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 1: still want to finish up with the actually look at
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 1: the legislation. So we've talked about.
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 3: I'm surprised Diana's an Indifred. Or one of those mad femmes. Yeah.
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 1: They might be. Right? We have her topic. Right? So,
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 1: imagine you go into a clinic. You have been having
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 1: suicidal thoughts all day because you are... feeling like you're
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 1: isolated and you're not part of the surrounding culture. You're
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 1: not part of a family. You're not part of a
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 1: friend group and you're just lonely. You go in and
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 1: you sit down and they have a doctor or a
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 1: nurse or somebody come in and talk to you and
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 1: you explain your situation. And instead of talking about what's
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 1: going on with you, what you're experiencing and how they
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 1: can help you to get through it and come out
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 1: okay on the other side, They bring up some other topic,
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 1: like you're talking about your mental health. They want to
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 1: do tests on your heart. That's basically what Michelle did here.
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 1: Or you go in and you sit down and you
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 1: have this conversation and they start talking to you about
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 1: toxic masculinity. Because, obviously, if you have feelings about the
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 1: way that women treat you in regard to your dating life,
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 1: then you're entitled and you have toxic masculinity. We have Tata,
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 1: who I think we looked at last week. Men are
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 1: so disgusting. Anything to bash women. Except what he's talking
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 1: about in the thread that we read last week. Isn't
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 1: bashing women. It's criticizing behavior. If he was bashing women.
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 1: He would say all women do this. But he didn't.
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 1: He talked about the women who do it.
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 3: They spelt loose wrong. Yeah.
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 1: Women who talk like this. A lot of times. Well yeah.
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 1: No this is correct for in the US. It's L-O-O-S-E loose.
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 1: They're loose sluts.
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 3: Oh loose sluts. Okay.
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, but there are a lot of people who
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 1: misspell lose as loose.
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what I thought.
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 1: That's what you thought it was?
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 1: Then if she's not a slut, frigid, which is bullshit.
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 1: Feminists talk like everything is at one end, one extreme
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 1: end or the other of a spectrum, but there's nothing
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 1: existing in the middle. Like, you can be... interested in
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 1: dating and going out you can hold hands with guys
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 1: you can talk to guys you can have guys as
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 1: friends and that you're not dating and you can have
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 1: have guys as boyfriends you know over different times in
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 1: your life without sleeping with them before you know deciding
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 1: whether or not you know to to consider moving on
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 1: to the next step but in her mind Either you're
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 1: a slut who sleeps with every guy that you meet.
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 1: You know, you have to be like, you have to
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 1: have a body count that's higher than your IQ, which
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 1: with some of these feminists, that's not that hard. Or
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 1: you have to be a virgin. There's no in between.
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 1: There's no only slept with one guy that she was
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 1: engaged to. And then at the end, it didn't work out,
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 1: you know, or something like that. And there's no, you know,
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 1: gal that grew up in, like when I was dating,
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 1: it was kind of abnormal for anyone to be a virgin,
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 1: which a lot of us talked about that that was
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 1: kind of sad. Because when our parents were dating, it
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 1: was kind of abnormal for somebody to not be a
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 1: virgin up until they were you know, like college age,
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 1: maybe a little later. And my parents got married in 1968.
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 1: So by the time they graduated college, it was becoming
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 1: normal for, pretty normal for there to be no virgins
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 1: their age. And it's, yeah. To me, it's a shame
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 1: because people should be, if not picky, at least people
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 1: should care who they're with and what risks they're taking.
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 1: This guy, he should just replace his name with the
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 1: word simp. So it seems you're stuck on the whole
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 1: women don't owe you sex or friendship or companionship or anything.
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 1: And I get it. I got stuck there, too, wondering
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 1: when it will be my turn, all the while pissing
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 1: away good friendships with women because I wanted more. Which,
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 1: that's not what I got from the rant. But Shadowclaw says,
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 1: I just explained it wasn't about that. And this guy
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 1: comes back.
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 3: It's projection. It's projection.
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it is projection. He comes back with, yes, you did, essentially.
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 1: You said, among other things, that women opened up casual
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 1: sex and men got more than their fair share. Some
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 1: men got more than their fair share. That's phrased as if,
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 1: meaning he can't actively accuse Shadowclaw of lying about what
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 1: he meant. So he has to reframe his way of
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 1: accusing him in terms that make it sound like He
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 1: can't conclude anything else because of the wording and it's
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 1: Shadowclaw's fault. And maybe Shadowclaw doesn't understand what he was
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 1: saying or he's backpedaling. But the truth spoken here by MJ,
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 1: you are reading way too much into the turn of
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 1: phrase that he made clear you misunderstood. And now we
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 1: have tone policing. It's not just the turn of phrase.
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 1: It's the whole tone. Then, of course, we have the
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 1: specter of agency. Women decide who they want to spend
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 1: time with are primarily responsible for the rise of incels. Well, yeah.
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 1: I'll bet, though, if we change this discussion to rich
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 1: people deciding who they want to do business with, Being
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 1: responsible for the rise. Of poor people. He would be
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 1: on the side of the poor. Even if. The logic.
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 1: That was being presented. Was communist. And again. You know.
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 1: He gets corrected. And MJ is right. He inferred a tone.
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 1: He was told wasn't there. And he insists again. So
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 1: this is not just a guy who wants to talk
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 1: about this issue and hammer out what's true and what's
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 1: not true and what people should be doing and stuff
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 1: like that. He wants to impose a meaning that he
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 1: can counter. He wants to remain opposed to the perspective.
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 1: And his goal, this goes on and on. You keep looking.
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 1: This thread.
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 3: He mentions incels again.
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 3: Go down. The entire development. Yep.
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 1: The entire developmental stage of their life. Gap kept and
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 1: stolen from them. By selfish shallow immature women. This is
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 1: what created incels. Yeah he's quoting. But none of it is.
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 1: The tone that he described. What he's. Again, saying... is
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 1: like because women made teenage socialization about sex and sexual
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 1: choices rather than platonic socialization and uh you know um
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 1: camaraderie or even I hate to use the term romantic
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 1: but non-physical intimate because romantic is a different thing so
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 1: but getting closer and more emotionally and psychologically intimate with
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 1: someone without getting physically intimate with them because they changed
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 1: it from that to physical intimacy they significantly reduced the
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 1: number of boys and men who qualified to participate. That's
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 1: a fair thing to say about what women and girls
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 1: did between 1960 and 2010. And they created a whole generation,
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 1: about half of Generation X and the entirety of the
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 1: millennial generation. of guys who grew up being denied opportunities
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 1: to have even platonic intimacy, where there's no physical intimacy,
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 1: no sexual intimacy, but there is intellectual intimacy and emotional
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 1: and psychological intimacy as friends, where you have conversations about
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 1: ideas you know, ethics, morals, popular culture, anything that's non-sexual.
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 1: And I can remember growing up and having those kinds
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 1: of conversations with groups of people, including, you know, both
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 1: guys and gals in the group where, you know, I
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 1: might sit and talk to a guy for an hour
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 1: about something like that and never for a second think
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 1: that it was going to lead to a date. It's
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 1: just that we had a great conversation. And there were
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 1: guys that I was friends with that I cannot imagine
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 1: that any of them were ever attracted to me sexually.
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 1: We didn't have that kind of chemistry, but we had
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 1: things in common that we enjoyed. There was a guy
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 1: I used to sit after lunch and talk to while
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 1: we were waiting for time for class to start. He
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 1: was just a fellow nerd. We were both in the
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 1: photo club. We were both on the yearbook staff. And
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 1: one of the gals that was in our social group
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 1: got him all riled up thinking that I had a crush.
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 1: But I didn't really think of him that way. And
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 1: he had a crush on another gal. And he got
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 1: really worried, had to talk to me about it. And
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 1: I was like, no, I have a crush on another guy.
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 1: I hope this is okay, you know. And so, you know,
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 1: she just didn't understand that we could enjoy each other's
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 1: company that much and not want to date.
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 3: But... A lot of women are throwing male friendships in
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 3: cinema because they keep on shipping male friendships.
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 1: It's like they're obsessed with sex. It's like that's all
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 1: they can think about and they can't.
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 3: Picture....
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 1: They can't picture men without picturing sex sometimes I wonder
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 1: if they ever grow up even when they're.
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 3: Old they don't grow up they just grow old.
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah so like this guy's determination again I'm going
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 1: to relate this to the topic we've been discussing right
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 1: You go into the ER in a crisis that you've
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 1: made your plan, your suicide plan, and this is your
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 1: last stop to try to maybe not do it. And
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 1: you get this guy. And part of the reason that
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 1: you're suicidal is because you feel excluded from the surrounding
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 1: culture in which you live. Maybe even you call yourself
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 1: an incel. Maybe you're part of a group of people
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 1: in an incel forum and you use that name. And
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 1: the nurse that interviews you before, you know, giving the
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 1: doctor advice on here's what's going on with this patient
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 1: for the doctor to evaluate you is this guy. What
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 1: do you think is going to happen if made passes
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 1: in the UK without some sort of failsafe? That says
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 1: that the doctor cannot just push it on people. The
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 1: way that. That lady that we read about a few
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 1: weeks ago. Had it pushed on her because she was
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 1: old and she had a broken hip. What if you're
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 1: male and you have a broken heart.
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 3: And.
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 1: Your nurse. Is.
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  Speaker 3: Mr.
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  Speaker 1: Bossler here if that's his real name. Like it looks
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  Speaker 1: like a real name.
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  Speaker 3: So.
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  Speaker 1: I know that that's a real surname, whether it's his
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  Speaker 1: or not. What if Robert Bossler comes up and says,
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  Speaker 1: how dare you? How dare you care whether or not
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  Speaker 1: you're lonely? Women don't owe you anything. They don't have
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  Speaker 1: to be nice to you. They don't have to treat
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  Speaker 1: you like a human being. Shame on you for not
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  Speaker 1: wanting to be stepped on kicked around spat on and
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  Speaker 1: treated like dirt under their feet who do you think
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  Speaker 1: you are you're a man toxic masculinity.
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  Speaker 3: Unless you unless you pay for it.
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  Speaker 1: Unless you pay for it and then shame on you
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  Speaker 1: for paying for it too by the way but she's
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  Speaker 1: a victim of selling it even if it was entirely
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  Speaker 1: her choice like how Are we going to, how is
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  Speaker 1: society going to prevent people like this from being a
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  Speaker 1: reason why a man walking into an ER on his
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  Speaker 1: last nerve, holding on to his last little bit of
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  Speaker 1: reason to live, doesn't get told, well, we can help
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  Speaker 1: you die, instead of, getting help with his situation. There
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 1: has to be something written into the law that says
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  Speaker 1: they can't. They can't tell you we can help you die.
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 1: You have to ask. And then they have to try
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  Speaker 1: to talk you out of it.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, the bill didn't pass last week.
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  Speaker 1: That's good.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Well, you know, they're going to continue to try. It
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  Speaker 1: just gives us more time because, you know, I know
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  Speaker 1: that this is. I don't know, what would you call
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 1: darker than black? But my darkest. Void level black pill.
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  Speaker 1: Is that everything evil? Everything damaging, everything harmful, everything cruel
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  Speaker 1: and selfish that someone tries to push into law will
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  Speaker 1: eventually become law. Yeah, the Vantablack pill is this.
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  Speaker 3: That's going to happen anyway. Right?
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 1: So that's your Vantablack pill. This law eventually is going
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 1: to pass. It's inevitable at this point.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe....
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  Speaker 1: Way off in the future if there is any little
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  Speaker 1: gray or silver speck on the venta black pill on
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 1: the void pill it's that after people learn how horrible
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  Speaker 1: it is to have a law like this in place
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  Speaker 1: without any kind of fail safes to prevent wrongful use
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  Speaker 1: of it they'll reform they'll engage in reform Right. That's it.
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  Speaker 1: And it's probably the size of a pinhead.
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  Speaker 3: And they might call for a general election sometime this
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  Speaker 3: year or next year.
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  Speaker 1: So you might get different politicians in place.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Which will affect whether or not that law gets reintroduced
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 1: and passes sometime soon. So that's essentially the situation, right?
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  Speaker 1: We are watching medically assisted suicide become the norm throughout
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 1: Western civilization, just like abortion did. Now we're 50 years
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  Speaker 1: past when abortion started becoming the norm in the medical
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 1: community as a, like it's considered, it's not considered unethical
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  Speaker 1: to do this. And it's legal to do this in
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 1: many places. We're now just now, starting to see some
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 1: reform with regard to who and when and where and
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 1: even why and how. But not, this is illegal again.
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  Speaker 1: Even though people are starting to admit that it is
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  Speaker 1: unethical to just kill a baby because it hasn't been
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  Speaker 1: born yet. And it's not convenient for the mother that
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 1: the baby is coming into the its full size and
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 1: getting close to birth, that gestation is progressing and that
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 1: she's going to be responsible for a person at least
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 1: up until the point where she decides to put the
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 1: baby up for adoption or into a dumpster. And it
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 1: took 50 years to just get to the point where
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 1: some of the people who were on the fence but
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 1: chose to call themselves pro-choice rather than pro-life because the
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 1: media pressured everyone to use pro-choice as their description rather
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 1: than pro-life if they were against abortion most of the
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 1: time but didn't think that the law was the best
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 1: way to address it. How long is it going to
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 1: take for people to figure out that abuse of medical
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 1: assistance in dying is murder. Ongs4k asked if Ukraine is
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 1: the first war where older men were drafted before the
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 1: young ones. I don't actually know the answer to that question,
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  Speaker 1: but what I can tell you is that in the
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 1: United States, there are multiple different stages in a draft.
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 1: So the first one is you sign up, you sign,
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 1: either sign up for the military or you, you know, you, you, uh, don't,
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  Speaker 1: you get a draft card. If you're male, you have,
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 1: when you, uh, turn 18, you have to register. So
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 1: you can join the military as an 18 year old.
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 1: If you don't, you're still going to get your selective
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 1: service card. You get it when you, uh, register for
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 1: the military too if you haven't already filled it out
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  Speaker 1: um but uh the next stage before they start calling
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 1: up civilians is after they sent out everybody that's active
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 1: duty in the military that's that's like currently soldiering that
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 1: they're going to send out Men who have been in
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 1: military conflicts in the past, who are still young enough
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  Speaker 1: to be called up, get recalled. So you were in
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 1: the military, you get discharged, honorable discharge. You did your
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 1: duty and you are done with it and you moved
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 1: on with your life. And now there's a war. Before
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 1: they call guys that have no training whatsoever, they call you.
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 1: So there are guys that are middle-aged that get called
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 1: up because of that. Whereas with the draft, the draft
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 1: is a lottery system. And they go by your birth date,
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 1: but I don't think they go by the year. I
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 1: think it's just the month. They draw your month, your
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 1: birth month or your birthday. And everybody born on that
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 1: day gets called up. At least that's what they did
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 1: in the past. And I don't think age has that
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 1: much to do with it other than there's a maximum
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 1: age and a minimum age. And obviously the minimum age
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 1: is 18 years. I know during the Vietnam War, they
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 1: relaxed the standards a bit on the maximum age. And
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 1: they also didn't look too hard to make sure that
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 1: a guy was as old as he said he was
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 1: if a teenager enlisted. My father-in-law was underage when he
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 1: went to Vietnam. But with that, I think we'll stop
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 1: with Robert Brossler here. pisses me off too much and
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 1: I don't want to start talking about another commenter but
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 1: we'll talk about one one more commenter see if I
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 1: still have it actually before I make that promise because
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 1: if I don't still have it oh well I guess
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 1: we gosh I should have I didn't think it was
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 1: bad enough to get the account deleted maybe they just
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 1: um Decided that for themselves. We won't be talking about
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 1: this comment. Next week. This post is from an account.
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 1: That no longer exists. And.
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 3: So that's.
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 1: There might have been. A couple of other ones. If
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 1: we don't. Then we will next week. Start digging into
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 1: the actual. I, well, you must've really roughed them up
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 1: shadow claw. Uh, we'll start looking into the actual law.
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  Speaker 1: So I think we've talked about the things that I
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 1: wanted to point out, you know, the suicidality issue is
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 1: a big deal. Um, and this, this issue, we might
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 1: talk about this issue more when we're done talking about the, the, uh,
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 1: medical assistance in dying law, but, uh, In the meantime,
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  Speaker 1: I will thank everybody for listening. We did go longer
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  Speaker 1: than I intended. I was thinking we'd go an hour
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 1: because no Mike and Lauren, but it's actually a quarter
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  Speaker 1: till nine. So thanks, everybody, for listening. Thanks, Richard, for
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 1: sticking this out with me. And thanks, Shadow Claw, for
• 1:45:35
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  Speaker 1: discussion to have. And thanks very much to Brian for
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