Latest / Best of Business / Jenee Tibshraeny: NZ Herald Wellington business editor on the IMF's annual report on New Zealand's economy
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- 0:17Speaker 2: The International Monetary Fund, the IMF is today released its
- 0:20Speaker 2: yearly report on the state of our economy, and it's
- 0:24Speaker 2: not too keen on the government deregulating banks to spur
- 0:28Speaker 2: more competition in the sector. Janay chip Trainee is The
- 0:30Speaker 2: Herald's Willington business editor. She's been breaking looking into this
- 0:34Speaker 2: for us. Jenay, good evening. Hey, Ryan, so why are
- 0:37Speaker 2: they worried about less regulation?
- 0:40Speaker 3: Well, the IMF is basically just cautioning the government. It's saying, hey,
- 0:45Speaker 3: make sure that these rules that the Reserve Bank puts
- 0:48Speaker 3: in place that require banks to have strong balance sheets,
- 0:52Speaker 3: make sure that those rules are actually focused on the
- 0:56Speaker 3: main thing, which is maintaining financial stability. Don't you know.
- 1:00Speaker 3: It's not saying it quite so explicitly, but it's saying
- 1:03Speaker 3: in the IMF was the primary objective of prudential regulation
- 1:07Speaker 3: should be to safeguard financial stability. So it's making this warning.
- 1:13Speaker 3: And the relevance of this is that Nikola Willis is
- 1:16Speaker 3: looking at whether she should override the way the Reserve
- 1:19Speaker 3: Bank regulates banks because she thinks that potentially, if some
- 1:24Speaker 3: of these rules are watered down a bit, banks might
- 1:27Speaker 3: leand more freely. Their interest rates might be a bit lower,
- 1:30Speaker 3: and big and small banks might be able to compete
- 1:33Speaker 3: more freely. So there's definitely a trade off here. On
- 1:36Speaker 3: the one hand, you've got you know, making sure the
- 1:38Speaker 3: banks are super strong, they've got lots of capital. But
- 1:41Speaker 3: you know, on the other hand, it's like, well, are
- 1:42Speaker 3: we overdoing it? The IMF is saying, make sure that
- 1:46Speaker 3: the main goal of the rules is actually to maintain
- 1:49Speaker 3: financial stability.
- 1:50Speaker 2: Yeah, especially with a country like ours, where you know,
- 1:53Speaker 2: we're an earthquake away from it all being over. It's
- 1:56Speaker 2: funny you say they didn't say this explicitly. The IMF
- 1:59Speaker 2: doesn't say anything explicitly this report. It's so hard to read.
- 2:04Speaker 2: It's like you need a telescope, a dictionary in another language.
- 2:08Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, it's like prudential regulation. You know, it's
- 2:11Speaker 3: not that radio friendly.
- 2:13Speaker 2: What else did the IMEF have to say about the economy.
- 2:16Speaker 3: Well, they also said that the Reserve Bank should be
- 2:20Speaker 3: ready to use it has another you know, long wordro
- 2:24Speaker 3: macro prudential tools. That's it should be ready to tighten
- 2:27Speaker 3: those loan to value ratio restrictions and it's debt to
- 2:30Speaker 3: income restrictions. If low interest rates, see the housing market
- 2:35Speaker 3: take off and see banks do lots of risky lending.
- 2:38Speaker 3: So those are those rules that mean you need to
- 2:40Speaker 3: have it that you generally need a twenty percent deposit
- 2:43Speaker 3: if you're an owner occupier, and you need to have
- 2:46Speaker 3: you know enough income relative to the size of the
- 2:49Speaker 3: loan that you want. There are those rules in place,
- 2:51Speaker 3: and it's it's set a warning that actually the Reserve
- 2:54Speaker 3: Bank should be ready to tighten those if necessary.
- 2:58Speaker 2: Interesting, and now I noticed in that IMEF report they said, yeah,
- 3:02Speaker 2: get your ICR back to neutral. In fact, they said
- 3:04Speaker 2: three point two five percent by mid year. They reckon.
- 3:07Speaker 2: But there's an economist warning that because Adrian Or has
- 3:11Speaker 2: left the Reserve Bank that we might see a slightly
- 3:14Speaker 2: higher track because of his departure.
- 3:18Speaker 3: Yes, now this is where it gets interesting with these
- 3:20Speaker 3: bank capital rules. Again, Adrian Or was a fierce defender
- 3:24Speaker 3: of these rules. So they're still being phased in. They'll
- 3:26Speaker 3: be fully phased in by twenty twenty eight. If what
- 3:30Speaker 3: the banks say is correct, then that mean interest rates
- 3:35Speaker 3: will be higher because of these rules. So if banks
- 3:37Speaker 3: need to hold more capital, that costs them, so they
- 3:39Speaker 3: pass that cost onto us. But if Nichola Willis comes
- 3:43Speaker 3: in and overrides the Reserve Bank or appoints a new
- 3:47Speaker 3: governor that is happy to loosen the rules, then that
- 3:50Speaker 3: means interest rates could be a bit lower. So that means,
- 3:53Speaker 3: you know, banks might have charge us slightly less for
- 3:56Speaker 3: our mortgages. If that happens, and this is now taking
- 4:00Speaker 3: us five steps down the line. If that happens, interest
- 4:04Speaker 3: rates might end up being a bit lower than what
- 4:06Speaker 3: the Reserve Bank deems design to keep inflation and check.
- 4:10Speaker 3: So then it might mean that it might need to
- 4:12Speaker 3: lift the o CR a little bit more than might
- 4:14Speaker 3: otherwise be the case. So I know, I'm taking us
- 4:17Speaker 3: like a million steps down the road here, But but
- 4:21Speaker 3: this being z economists, Stephen Topliss has said, well, if
- 4:24Speaker 3: the if the capital rules are watered down, that might
- 4:28Speaker 3: mean that o CR might need to be a little
- 4:30Speaker 3: bit higher to prevent the mortgage rates that that banks
- 4:34Speaker 3: charge from from falling too low. You know, if they
- 4:36Speaker 3: fall too low, that can stimulate the economy and that
- 4:39Speaker 3: could be inflationary. So that could mean that the o
- 4:41Speaker 3: CR needs to go up a bit. So I suppose
- 4:44Speaker 3: the big takeaway here, and it's all very complicated, but
- 4:47Speaker 3: these capital rules are worth are worth a lot. You
- 4:51Speaker 3: know that these the way that banks are regulated, you
- 4:56Speaker 3: know that has a really big impact through the economy.
- 4:58Speaker 3: And I think the IMF is also warning we need
- 5:01Speaker 3: we can't tinkle with these things willingly. You know that
- 5:04Speaker 3: there needs to be a pretty you know, a good
- 5:08Speaker 3: effort to make sure they are well calibrated because the
- 5:11Speaker 3: flow and effects are.
- 5:12Speaker 2: Extensive, massive, and it's basically a battle between stability and
- 5:16Speaker 2: I guess cost effectiveness too, isn't it. Janet, thank you
- 5:19Speaker 2: very much for that. As always, genetic training with us
- 5:22Speaker 2: from The Herald. She's the Mornington Business Editor.
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