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SEC + Big 10 CONTROVERSY is Sending College Football Playoff OFF the RAILS! · College Football Addiction: A Show About All Things College Football

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  Speaker 1: The playoff is interesting, and I want to get to
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  Speaker 1: the 24 team. I want to get to the 24
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  Speaker 1: team because I need that as a soundbite on here.
• 0:07
  Speaker 1: I don't have it, but this is the best I
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  Speaker 1: can do. The 24 team is something that I know
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  Speaker 1: you've had a lot of thoughts on. Honestly, I don't
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  Speaker 1: want to spend a lot of time on that because
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  Speaker 1: I think everybody in the world agrees on that, except
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  Speaker 1: for the people that are making the decisions. So I
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  Speaker 1: do want to talk about this year's playoff. I know
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  Speaker 1: we focus a lot sec big 10 miami notre dame
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  Speaker 1: and i think there's a really interesting scenario happening the
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  Speaker 1: big 12 right now that could really make it chaotic
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  Speaker 1: once we get there you just had the week of
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  Speaker 1: death in the sec you had notre dame take a
• 0:44
  Speaker 1: loss you had miami not quite look great though they're
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  Speaker 1: still in really good position and within the acc and
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  Speaker 1: looking at their conference schedule um and you've Got a
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  Speaker 1: big 12 scenario that I think is crazy. This is
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  Speaker 1: presented by prize picks more on them in a bit. But, uh,
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  Speaker 1: right now BYU beating Notre Dame really opened things up
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  Speaker 1: for that conference to get multiple teams into the playoff.
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  Speaker 1: And I don't know, I think the over under on
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  Speaker 1: teams getting into the playoff for the big 12. Now
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  Speaker 1: this could change in a week if they have a week,
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  Speaker 1: just like, um, yeah, it's two and a half to me.
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  Speaker 1: It's like, I mean, which you, you put up the three, um,
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  Speaker 1: because I guess you, you don't have a nub on
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  Speaker 1: either of your hands. So you did put up the full,
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  Speaker 1: the full three and do it. Um, BYU beating Notre
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  Speaker 1: Dame and then Utah being undefeated right now, Texas tech
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  Speaker 1: being undefeated and starting to, I don't know if they
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  Speaker 1: quite look like they did last year, but starting to
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  Speaker 1: round a little bit more in a form where I
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  Speaker 1: don't think you look at anybody on Texas tech schedule
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  Speaker 1: and say, Oh, there's the, there's the loss, right? They, they,
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  Speaker 1: They look like a team that's going to go undefeated.
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  Speaker 1: If we end up with a scenario where Utah wins
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  Speaker 1: at home against BYU and Texas Tech goes undefeated and
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  Speaker 1: you've got two, now Houston and Utah play this weekend,
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  Speaker 1: so we'll see if we don't correct this with Willie
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  Speaker 1: Fritz and them kind of throwing a wrench into things.
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  Speaker 1: Utah wins at home against BYU, beats Houston this weekend,
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  Speaker 1: and Texas Tech wins out. If you have two 12-0
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  Speaker 1: teams going to the Big 12 title game, they both
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  Speaker 1: have to make it in. And BYU, with an 11-1
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  Speaker 1: record and a win against Notre Dame and their only
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  Speaker 1: loss being on the road against a rival, which will
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  Speaker 1: also be a top-five team in Utah, you cannot leave
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  Speaker 1: them out either. I don't know who you leave out
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  Speaker 1: in that scenario. Now, I know we play the game of,
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  Speaker 1: is it more deserving? Is it resume? I don't know, man.
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  Speaker 1: Is it who we think is the best? And it's
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  Speaker 1: neither of those things. We just kind of go by
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  Speaker 1: Vegas and put teams in. The committee can obviously do
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  Speaker 1: whatever the heck they want. I don't know which of
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  Speaker 1: those three teams you leave out. And I think you
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  Speaker 1: got to put them all three in. Now, BYU has
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  Speaker 1: to travel 2000 miles to UCF this weekend. Not that
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  Speaker 1: I think they're going to lose, but they're only a
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  Speaker 1: touchdown favorite there.
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  Speaker 2: Had that thought as well.
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  Speaker 1: You know, like there's Houston, Houston out there. Playing at Utah,
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  Speaker 1: that could be a loss. This conversation could be moot really,
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  Speaker 1: really quick by the time we get together next week.
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  Speaker 1: But if chalk holds, I think the Big 12 is
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  Speaker 1: putting three teams in this thing. So we'll see if
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  Speaker 1: chalk holds is a very obvious statement that holds a
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  Speaker 1: lot of weight in this conversation.
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  Speaker 2: Sure. Yeah, I mean, I think.
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  Speaker 3: It's a really interesting spot that we're in because– Notre
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  Speaker 3: Dame is in trouble, man. I mean, they, they, they
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  Speaker 3: are like, I think that we all just, everyone assumed like,
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  Speaker 3: I think a lot of people assume they'd be BYU.
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  Speaker 2: First of all, second of all, I think that everyone
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  Speaker 2: kind of maybe.
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  Speaker 3: Them quitting on the season last year and protesting, not
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  Speaker 3: making the playoff. In my opinion, it created this perception
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  Speaker 3: amongst casual fans and some media people that was like, we'll,
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  Speaker 3: if they're outraged about this and they must've been really
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  Speaker 3: good and they weren't, you know, like they weren't, I mean,
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  Speaker 3: they weren't, they weren't a bad football team by any stretch.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not saying that, but you look at Chris Felica,
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  Speaker 3: the bear is, did some, some, some work on this.
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  Speaker 3: I think yesterday or maybe Sunday yesterday. And since the
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  Speaker 3: start of last year, their Notre Dame 16 wins have
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  Speaker 3: come against teams that are a combined team. 26-91 versus
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  Speaker 3: FBS opponents. That's a 400 winning percentage. And they're 32-78
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  Speaker 3: versus P4 opponents. That's 290. So, under Marcus Freeman, Notre
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  Speaker 3: Dame has five wins in the regular season against teams
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  Speaker 3: which finished the season ranked. Two of those were against
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  Speaker 3: service academies. The other three, USC last year, NC State
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  Speaker 3: in 2023, Clemson in 2022. So I think that this
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  Speaker 3: Notre Dame team, I'm just very, I mean, they don't
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  Speaker 3: play anybody. Like if they don't beat Miami, they're not
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  Speaker 3: getting into the playoff, in my opinion, because there's just
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  Speaker 3: not a way for them to prove they're a good team.
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  Speaker 3: And that's going to be their own doing because they
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  Speaker 3: scheduled this way. But that opens the door. And then
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  Speaker 3: if they do beat.
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  Speaker 2: Miami, that, that helps the big 12 even more. Right.
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  Speaker 2: So one way or the other, you have.
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  Speaker 3: A situation that kind of slots BYU over Notre Dame,
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  Speaker 3: as long as they have an equal amount of losses or, or,
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  Speaker 3: or as long as BYU has, you know, one less loss,
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  Speaker 3: I think the Notre Dame, and that creates an interesting
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  Speaker 3: stack for everyone else. I am very curious, you know,
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  Speaker 3: with Texas Tech, like what are they? I still don't
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  Speaker 3: really feel like I know. I mean, they've had some
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  Speaker 3: very interesting results. You know, like the Oregon State thing
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  Speaker 3: I think has gotten better. But that win over Houston
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  Speaker 3: looms very large in the mirror. And then they've got
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  Speaker 3: the Brendan Sorsby Bowl this weekend against Cincinnati.
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  Speaker 2: I think we could see a world.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, Utah– I struggle with this because it's like, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: they could get two.
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  Speaker 2: And a half I think is the right over-under to
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  Speaker 2: be talking about with this league.
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  Speaker 3: But is Utah-Houston not kind of an elimination game on
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  Speaker 3: Saturday night?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, like even if they both come out of
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  Speaker 2: that at six and one because it's Houston that wins.
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  Speaker 2: it feels like Utah has.
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  Speaker 3: Got to be BYU to get back into the playoff
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  Speaker 3: conversation or their toes. Cause they, you know, I mean,
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  Speaker 3: they just struggled with Colorado. They've had some, I mean,
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  Speaker 3: the Arkansas one was nice. They beat the crap out
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  Speaker 3: of Arkansas, but I just don't know. They've got enough
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  Speaker 3: left on the schedule to really make a huge difference
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  Speaker 3: in the eyes of the committee members.
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  Speaker 1: I yes, Houston, Utah is an eliminator game. But if
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  Speaker 1: you and it becomes a little more tricky, I think
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  Speaker 1: if Houston wins that. But again, kind of that same
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  Speaker 1: scenario would be if Houston if Houston won, then the
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  Speaker 1: Utah is Houston's. artificial floor or maybe not artificial, but
• 7:36
  Speaker 1: they're their floor. Sure. And you just swap Houston, you know,
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  Speaker 1: Houston and Utah, because then Houston has a really good
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  Speaker 1: loss to Texas tech and a really good win against Utah.
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  Speaker 1: And so if they go to the big 12 championship,
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  Speaker 1: you know, say in that scenario, then, then you're looking
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  Speaker 1: at a Houston team. That's 11 and one at the
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  Speaker 1: end of the year, say BYU beats Utah on the road.
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  Speaker 1: And so that's your 10 and two team in the
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  Speaker 1: big 12. Then again, it's BYU and Texas tech for
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  Speaker 1: the title game. They both have to go. And, Maybe
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  Speaker 1: the committee would leave out an 11-1 Houston with a
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  Speaker 1: win over Utah, but I think it'd be tough. I
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  Speaker 1: think what we've seen the committee do is say, hey,
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  Speaker 1: we're fine putting a 10-2 Bama in over an 11-1 BYU.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know that I have enough faith in the
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  Speaker 1: committee to say, yeah, we'll put a 9-3 SEC team
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  Speaker 1: in over an 11-1 Big 12 team. I'm not saying
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  Speaker 1: they won't. I'm not saying they shouldn't. That might be
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  Speaker 1: a bridge too far. I think the strength of schedule
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  Speaker 1: gets you one win. I don't know that the strength
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  Speaker 1: of schedule is going to get you two wins in
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  Speaker 1: the committee's eyes. Now, deserving, we could have debates all
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  Speaker 1: day about who deserves more, but I'm just talking like
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  Speaker 1: what the committee will actually do. I don't think the
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  Speaker 1: committee is going to say, I just feel like 9-3
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  Speaker 1: versus 11-1 is just a really far bridge for them
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  Speaker 1: to jump. And we can all agree, 9-3 Texas, I
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  Speaker 1: would take on a neutral field over 11-1 Houston.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I think 9-3 Texas gets in over an 11-1
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  Speaker 3: Houston because 9-3 Texas is going to have that win
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  Speaker 3: over Ohio State.
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  Speaker 1: And if Florida keeps getting better, if the rivalry will
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  Speaker 1: get kind of excused, Florida finishes ranked. But I'm not
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  Speaker 1: completely confident in that, in that 9-3 versus 11-1.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, I think that you, you look at the,
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  Speaker 3: the sec at this point, um, I feel like anybody
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  Speaker 3: that finishes 10 and two is probably in right.
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  Speaker 2: Like that, that, that seems probably legit.
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  Speaker 1: It seems likely.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. But, uh, and past that, I'm with you.
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  Speaker 3: Like the nine and three argument gets real shaky and I'm,
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  Speaker 3: I'm curious how they'd handle that I do know that
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  Speaker 3: they added this, this new metric that's supposed to take
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  Speaker 3: more account of strength of schedule and kind of help
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  Speaker 3: the sec. It seemed like was the way it was
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  Speaker 3: explained and pitched. But again, like a two loss gap
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  Speaker 3: is something that is unprecedented.
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  Speaker 2: It's never happened.
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  Speaker 3: We've never seen the committee really apply strength of schedule
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  Speaker 3: or strength of record in the ways that you and
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  Speaker 3: I would sit here and apply it if we were
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  Speaker 3: talking about, hey, who do I think is better based
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  Speaker 3: on results?
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  Speaker 2: So I'm very fascinated. I think that.
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  Speaker 3: It's going to be a very interesting month of December
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  Speaker 3: for Greg Sankey if– He essentially ramrodded the entire league
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  Speaker 3: on going to nine because he swore that him and
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  Speaker 3: Tony Petitti had an agreement to immediately change the playoff
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  Speaker 3: to 16. They listened to their commissioner and their commissioner
• 11:05
  Speaker 3: got the rug pulled out from under him by the
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  Speaker 3: Big Ten commissioner and now all of a sudden you're
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  Speaker 3: standing there and you've only got 12 spots and these
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  Speaker 3: SEC teams are They do have gauntlets. Say what you
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  Speaker 3: will about SEC bias and all of that, but out
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  Speaker 3: of conference, the SEC won these games.
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  Speaker 2: Mississippi State beat the dog shit out of Minnesota.
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  Speaker 3: Texas beat Ohio State and now looks very troubled in
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  Speaker 3: league play. Hey, one play here in the Ohio State game, sure,
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  Speaker 3: it could have gone differently, but the SEC has those
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  Speaker 3: wins on their resume, and that's what I'm curious about,
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  Speaker 3: how the the committee is going to handle.
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  Speaker 2: Because if this was last.
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  Speaker 3: Year or maybe the year before where the SEC had
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  Speaker 3: some good non-con results, like last year Mississippi State beating
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  Speaker 3: Arizona State was a good result for the SEC. But
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  Speaker 3: the cumulative of Texas going to Columbus and losing and
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  Speaker 3: some of that, it was not like this year for
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  Speaker 3: the SEC where they've looked pretty dominant outside.
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  Speaker 2: Of their own league.
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  Speaker 3: It'll be interesting to see if the ACC– can take
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  Speaker 3: some games off of them in the last week of
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  Speaker 3: the year. Cause like you do have Kentucky Louisville, Georgia,
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  Speaker 3: Georgia tech, South Carolina, Clemson, that could be large, but.
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  Speaker 2: You're to sit here and assume that a nine and.
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  Speaker 3: Three sec team, other than Texas has a realistic shot
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  Speaker 3: of getting in. You're assuming that a lot more chaos
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  Speaker 3: is coming for all the leagues.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Or you're assuming that this committee is going to do
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  Speaker 2: something that.
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  Speaker 3: No ranking body in the history of college football has
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  Speaker 3: ever done.
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  Speaker 2: Right. And not group teams by the lost column.
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  Speaker 1: so much on this last year.
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  Speaker 2: I think, I.
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  Speaker 1: Don't, again, if their logic at the end of the
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  Speaker 1: day is Texas would win on a neutral field at
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  Speaker 1: 9-3 over an 11-1 Houston team, I'm okay with that.
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  Speaker 1: I understand that logic. I'm fine. I can reason that
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  Speaker 1: in my mind and say, if that's what you want
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  Speaker 1: to do, then that's fine. I would also try to
• 14:15
  Speaker 1: point to the fact of, okay, then why are we
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  Speaker 1: playing games? Because these games are scheduled so far out.
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  Speaker 1: These teams are, and Congress is trying to keep these
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  Speaker 1: teams from getting into other conferences like How far down
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  Speaker 1: that path do you have to get before you say
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  Speaker 1: the games don't matter? And again, I would agree with
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  Speaker 1: you that I, I think Texas at nine and three
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  Speaker 1: is probably going, I mean, unless arch has an arch
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  Speaker 1: type game, but let's just assume the best Texas is
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  Speaker 1: going to probably be an 11 and one team, but
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  Speaker 1: I can also probably make that same argument and say like, Hey,
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  Speaker 1: I would probably take Texas over an 11 and one BYU.
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  Speaker 1: And so we're not willing to move the goalposts that much.
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  Speaker 1: So where do we draw that line of, and again,
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  Speaker 1: that's part of the ambiguity of our sport is it is,
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  Speaker 1: it is more of a beauty pageant and less of a,
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  Speaker 1: here's how you qualify. You're in the NFC South. You
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  Speaker 1: win more games than the other three teams you get in.
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  Speaker 1: So I understand that, but I don't, I, part of
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  Speaker 1: me does not love that. Not because it's an sec thing,
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  Speaker 1: not because it's a Texas thing, not because it's an
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  Speaker 1: arch thing, not because I'm anti big 12 and none
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  Speaker 1: of that. It just, If Texas finishes as the sixth
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  Speaker 1: best team in the SEC and is 9-3 because they
• 15:29
  Speaker 1: beat Ohio State because of a miraculous fourth quarter, just
• 15:32
  Speaker 1: a great fourth quarter, then, man, there has to be
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  Speaker 1: some level of earning it, you know? Not necessarily what
• 15:40
  Speaker 1: you would just do on a field. Listen, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: Texas is 8-4. Would you... would you probably still take
• 15:49
  Speaker 1: Texas at eight and four if there are two losses
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  Speaker 1: or close losses to LSU and tennis in, in over
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  Speaker 1: an 11 and one team, like would Vegas take them
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  Speaker 1: at four?
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  Speaker 2: And so like, that's not, that's not the same question though.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, like, you know, I mean, like, are you the,
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  Speaker 3: the playoff still is trying to find, they're still ranking
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  Speaker 3: teams by a resume. It's not a pure power rating.
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  Speaker 3: It's not a spread ranking. But if you look at
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  Speaker 3: Texas' schedule, for them to get to 9-3, they're going
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  Speaker 3: to have to beat two out of three of Ole Miss, Missouri, LSU,
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  Speaker 3: and then sweep Mississippi State, Arkansas, Texas A & M.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. And I know that, like, And hey, by.
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  Speaker 3: The way, by Halloween, Mississippi State could have Camario back,
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  Speaker 3: and Mississippi State took Texas to overtime last year. And Arkansas,
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  Speaker 3: are they good? No, but they just beat Vandy, who
• 17:00
  Speaker 3: was six points away from beating Auburn and wouldn't have
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  Speaker 3: lost that game if they hadn't had a punt blocked
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  Speaker 3: in return for a touchdown, and then Auburn just beat Georgia.
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  Speaker 3: So stranger things have happened than the idea that Arkansas
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  Speaker 3: could beat Texas. Then you get A & M.
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  Speaker 2: I'm interested. I'm intrigued.
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  Speaker 3: I do think a 9-3 Texas with a win over
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  Speaker 3: Ohio State and a win.
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  Speaker 2: Over Ole Miss or LSU or Missouri. Two of those three.
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  Speaker 2: Who are BYU's Three best wins, right?
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  Speaker 1: If they run the table, it would be Notre Dame, Utah,
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  Speaker 1: and Arizona's ranked right now. So I think Arizona would
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  Speaker 1: be your third one.
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  Speaker 3: So would you take Notre Dame, Utah, Arizona over Ohio State,
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  Speaker 3: let's say Missouri LSU? Let's say they lose to Ole
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  Speaker 3: Miss and they run off five in a row to
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  Speaker 3: dramatically get into the conversation.
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  Speaker 1: I would say Notre Dame and Ohio State are probably
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  Speaker 1: fairly close to canceling each other out. You're splitting hairs.
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  Speaker 2: And they beat Tennessee.
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  Speaker 1: Sorry, I keep forgetting that.
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  Speaker 2: It's a lot of good wins, man.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, really good wins. I guess if we had this
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  Speaker 1: model that measured wins and losses and assigned an algorithm
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  Speaker 1: to it and went ahead and used that for our
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  Speaker 1: 24 teams now, It could help us quantify it. What's
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: hard is, how do you factor Texas' three losses versus
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: BYU's zero? Now, BYU didn't have opportunities for losses.
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: Well, BYU would be in no matter what. Yeah, yeah, BYU.
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: So Utah's, right? Or Houston's if they're 11-1. How do you... Now, admittedly,
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: Utah or Texas Tech or Houston or any of these
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: other teams, they didn't have opportunities for losses. They didn't... Right.
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: That's so... How do you factor that in? How do
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: you factor in one loss versus Texas tech and then
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: a bunch of cupcakes versus three losses to good teams?
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: Do you want to hear my conspiracy theory on this?
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: Let's go.
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: Well, I think like they're, they're going to go to
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: 24 and they're trying to sell going to 24 as
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: a way to get teams back into playing each other
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: in marquee games out of conference and to kind of
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: get the scheduling back on track in the first month
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: of the season in this sport. The best way to
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: do that would be to start punishing some teams for
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: playing crap. out-of-conference schedules. The Big 12, I have some
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: compassion for because they are who they are and they
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: don't have a lot of great teams, if I'm being truthful.
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: Houston played Oregon State, right? I'm not making that up, correct?
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Am I making that up?
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they put them back-to-back weeks, I think, with Texas.
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: I think they sandwiched the Texas Tech game with them.
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, like, that's a good team. That's an Oregon
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: State team that could end up being the 12th team in,
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: you know, the G5 rep in the playoff, right? So
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: it's like, that's more than.
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: A lot of– I don't know if.
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: They went on the road to Georgia Southern for some reason, but, like,
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: that's more than a lot of these teams in the
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: Big 12 are doing is to play in Oregon State.
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, BYU had the Notre Dame. Utah had Arkansas, which
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: not great, but also scheduled years in advance. No, that's
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: a good scheduled win.
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: I mean, that's a good schedule.
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: But I would say Oregon State and Arkansas are probably
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: kind of proxies for one another.
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: It's better than some of these teams that get played.
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's my point.
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: And I think if I look at Texas Tech's schedule,
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: you know, what, what is their best out of conference opponent?
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: I guess it's, it's also Oregon state, but you know,
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: I mean, you, you put Abilene Christian and Sam Houston
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: around that, and then you're going to go.
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: And then they, they don't play BYU. They don't play Utah.
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: But they don't play BYU in Utah.
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: Maybe, maybe it is not their fault, but, I think
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: Petiti's big 10 office, like very, very intentionally scheduled some,
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: some of the contenders to miss each other over the
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: first couple of years of this model. And I think
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: that other people maybe started catching onto that. So make
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: them pay the price for.
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: For that.
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: Like, well, that was good. That, that leads pretty well
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: into this. So we talked about the big 12, the
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: teams that can theoretically make it what the, what the
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: three team scenario is that they could get three in.
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: Let's go through each of the other conferences real fast.
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: I don't want to, I don't want to include every
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: team that's mathematically still alive. Cause yes, if Florida goes
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: on a run and sure wins out, then yes, they
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: can make it, but I don't want to use them.
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: Who do you actually think can make it based on
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: the remaining schedules in the sec? Cause to me, it
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: feels like Georgia Ole Miss Georgia, Bama and LSU. And
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: then Kentucky would really have to, I mean, they'd have
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: to pull a couple of rabbits out to, to get
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: it done. It is possible they're on the fringe, but
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: then like Auburn technically alive, they'd have to do miraculous
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: things down the stretch, Florida, technically alive. They've got to
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: go beat Georgia in Atlanta and then Kentucky and then Oklahoma.
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: And then we'll, I would talk about them a little more,
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: but yeah, in the sec in Texas, right at nine
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: and three, Texas can get to nine and three that
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: there's our, there's our one nine and three. Texas getting
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: to 9-3 will probably eliminate LSU or Ole Miss. Who
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: do I think is alive?
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: Tennessee can make it. They've got South Carolina, Kentucky, A
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: & M, LSU, Vandy left.
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: If they win, it's South Carolina.
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: They can afford the LSU loss.
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: They can afford to lose to LSU and probably still
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: get in as long as Oklahoma doesn't.
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: Fall apart. Or I'm sorry, as long as Alabama doesn't
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: fall apart. Alabama can obviously still make it.
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: I mean, if you look at the rest of their schedule,
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: I know that like, yeah, they've got two losses already.
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: It's week seven. That's scary.
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: But they get A & M. Then they get a
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: bye week. And then it's LSU, Vandy, SoCon Saturday, and Auburn.
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: So like, they.
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: Really have to split lsu a and m and win
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: the iron ball at this point yeah i think that's
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: doable i think they'll be in the playoff.
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: All miss needs to split texas georgia win everything else
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: yeah it feels like they're.
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: Which is which i think which i think actually they
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: have a tougher path because a they got to go
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: on the road to texas and then they got to
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: play georgia um And they got an Auburn sandwich between
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: those two. Like they don't get a buy before either
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: of those games, which is a big deal in this league.
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: They already took their buy way back on week five.
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: So they're going to be pretty beat up by the
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: time they get to Georgia.
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: Oklahoma on the road is not an easy task. That's
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: a good defense. I know that John Mateer is John Mateer, but.
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: I've watched Ole Miss lose those types of games my
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: entire adult life.
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: Um, And then they go to Mississippi State at the end,
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: which if Camario and Bothwell and everybody is still engaged there,
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: that's a chaos situation, right?
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: I mean, they do get them at home.
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah. So they're in. I mean, like, they're alive. Texas
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: is alive, like we said. So what, Alabama, Georgia? Yeah.
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: Tennessee, Ole Miss, Texas.
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: I think LSU is obviously still alive.
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah. The LSU, Tennessee, Alabama. A lot of these will
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: work themselves out.
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: They will.
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: Somebody's taking another L between Texas and LSU. And then
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: somebody's taking another L between Ole Miss and Texas. And
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: then somebody's taking another L between Tennessee and LSU. And
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: then Bama, LSU as well. I didn't mention that one.
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: So some of that will work itself out. Like there,
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: there will be some eliminator games coming up here in
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: the next couple of weeks, you know, in November. So
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: we'll see.
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: But like, let's talk about Kentucky seriously here because they
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: got Vandy this week.
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: Then they get a buy and they go on the
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: road to Tennessee.
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: So let's say they lose Tennessee. Can they close out
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: and win three straight over Florida at Missouri and Louisville?
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: Cause like, I don't think.
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: That's, I don't think that's impossible. No. They need to
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: win two out of three against Tennessee, Florida, and Missouri.
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: Two of those are on the road. Tennessee's a different
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: animal at home, as we've all learned. So that'll be tough.
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: But they get it coming off a bye.
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: And you know that somebody's going to.
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: At least two of these teams are going to win
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: one of these kind of swing games that.
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: We're talking about here. Yeah.
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: We're not talking about Missouri.
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: But like.
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah. It's like Missouri for somebody. Yeah, absolutely.
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: Or, I mean, you know, and there's the doomsday scenario too,
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: where they all just do what has happened through the
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: first part of the season where they all just beat
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: each other. And then you're left with a three loss
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: sec champion, you know, like, I don't think that's happening.
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: It's not impossible though, man.
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: You or, or the team that, you know, I'd say
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: Georgia has, you know, certainly the most confidence that people
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: have is, is in Georgia. Georgia could lose to Ole Miss.
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: That's on the road, right? And then from there, maybe
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: Georgia still goes to the SEC championship. And a two-loss
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: Georgia beats a three-loss runner-up.
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: I don't think they're going to make anybody pay for
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: losing the SEC title game.
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: I don't either. I just wonder where that three-loss team
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: is going into the SEC title.
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: Sure, sure.
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: You know, is that.
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe they can make it in by beating a
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: team like Georgia. So.
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: The SEC is still really wide open. It'll figure itself out.
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: The big 10 is really interesting.
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: Well, one other thing I just, I want to say
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: real quick, the team that's in trouble here is LSU. They,
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: they have the toughest, just got the Alabama, Texas, Tennessee.
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: And we already talked about the Auburn game this weekend,
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: which isn't, isn't a guarantee. It's not a lock. I
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: think they win, but certainly not a lock.
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: Stranger things have happened for sure.
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: Within the last four days. Like the big 10 is interesting.
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: I think Indiana is relatively fine because I like them
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: to go beat Michigan. I do like them to beat USC,
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: that game in Bloomington. I think they're fine. Oregon not dead.
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: UCLA's path is right there. I don't trust USC enough.
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: And Ohio State, without saying, is interesting down the stretch.
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: They have.
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, absolutely. They have.
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: They have the game against Oregon. They have the game
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: in the big house or no, no, that's, I think
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: that's at home. But they have the game against Michigan
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: at the end of the year. I would still say
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: Ohio state makes it. I think Indiana makes it. And
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: then does UCLA get in would be my question. Oregon's
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: still very much alive. If they could beat Ohio state
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: is a second Ohio state loss without their quarterback. Like what,
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: you know, again, the precedent exists.
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: What is the committee?
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: Are we even sure he's capable of coming back this year?
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: Cause I'm not.
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah. If he doesn't come back and they take a
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: second loss to Oregon, what does the committee do? Right.
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: I don't, I don't have a great answer. I don't,
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: I don't know, but what if they take a third loss?
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: You know, I don't think they will, but I don't
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: think it's outside of the realm of possibility. Yeah. So
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: the big 10 is interesting. The ACC is Miami and
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: everybody else can wake, make it. If we go to
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: the ACC, they're not getting the respect yet. And I'm
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: interested to see what the committee does. If it goes
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: to the ACC championship, That'll include a close loss to Miami.
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: That'll include a win over Louisville. That'll include a win
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: over SMU right now, who is ranked.
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: They still will need help, though. They need some disaster
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: scenarios to happen, I think, in the Big Ten and SEC.
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: But hey, I think Wake's capable of beating Miami. They
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: almost beat them the first time. Look, man, I know
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: Miami is.
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: Number one in the country now and all of that,
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: but Miami is not a dominant football team. Every time
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: they play anybody that's got a pulse and that, you know,
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: can hold the ball enough to wear out their overweight
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: pass rushers. They, they start to fold.
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: They struggle. They struggle late in games.
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: And Malachi Tony is the best football player in the country,
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: maybe for my money pound for pound. But if you
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: can make them do something else, uh, and you can
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: get Darien Mintz off his first read, then a lot
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: of things fall apart for them. So it's not outside
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: the realm of possibility that Miami could, you know, lose
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: to Notre Dame and then Wake knocks Miami out of
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: the playoff by winning the ACC and turning them into
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: a two.
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: I mean, like it's– there's a lot of scenarios on
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: the table still. I just think.
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: Because the ACC kind of got the shaft last year,
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: I could see the committee trying to like write that
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: wrong a little bit, potentially.
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: If to me, it would feel like if, if somebody in.
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: The big 10, like who's alive in the big 10, realistically, let's.
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: Be honest, Ohio state, Indiana, UCLA, UCLA, UCLA, Oregon, Michigan alive.
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: No.
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: Cause they'll, they'll take another, I think I'll take another
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: loss this weekend. So I'm, I'm chalking that up already. Um,
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: USC is technically alive.
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: What if USC beats Ohio State with no sand?
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: I think that game is a lot more interesting.
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: It's definitely a lot more interesting.
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: If Ohio State loses to Oregon and USC, they're out.
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: Only they can get in at 9-3.
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: Look, hear me out. Can Northwestern... I think Northwestern can
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: win out. I know that's crazy. I know it's bold, but.
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: I would actually say that, I mean, I guess Indiana
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: and Ohio State have kind of clearly separated as one, two,
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: but they've been the third best.
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: Team in the Big Ten.
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: Better than UCLA?
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: I guess that's tough, but I'm more impressed with what
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: they've done.
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: That 29-23 loss to Indiana told me way more than
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: anything I've learned about UCLA.
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: If they, I mean, if they beat Oregon on Halloween.
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: They can do it.
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: And then beat Iowa, which is a ranked win. I mean,
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: does Iowa out? You know, if we're doing all this.
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: No.
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: Well, I'm just, but, I mean, realistically, I think Iowa, no,
• 33:01
  Speaker 3: they're not out. I mean, they're 15 in the country,
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: and this is a 12-team playoff. Like, the thing about
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: a 12-team playoff is they've got to put 12 teams in.
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: It. If Northwestern beats Oregon, Iowa, and Ohio State, then, yeah,
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: I mean, they're obviously, because at that point, they're beating
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: Minnesota and Illinois to finish it. So Ohio state without saying,
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: I asked.
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: That's the thing is like, I think that the, the
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: Julian say in injury news of any program in terms
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: of like, how does this impact their future? It probably
• 33:30
  Speaker 3: impact aside from Ohio state. Obviously I think it impacts
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: Northwestern the most because the path for them just opened up.
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: And by the.
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: Way, I'm not entirely sure that even if they did
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: lose to Oregon, if they could, if they could split
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: the Oregon Ohio state deal and finish 10 and two
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: with that win over Iowa, I'm not sure they don't
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: get in at that point.
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: I think it is. I mean, you look at UCLA
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: schedule for the rest of the way and they're doing
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: this with a backup quarterback right now.
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: That's the, that's the thing that scares me about UCLA,
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: but I mean.
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: Hey, if they go 11 and one, can you leave,
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: can you leave them out? I don't know that you
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: can leave an 11-1 power conference team out.
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: Look, I know they do have the backup quarterback. I'm
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: not confident that they... I think they probably do.
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: I think 11-1 is more likely than 10-2 at this point,
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: looking at that schedule.
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: They've got Michigan State, then Nevada, then Minnesota. Could be tricky. Cold.
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: California boys going to the cold.
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: It's true.
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: Illinois could be tricky. Friday night, 9 p.m., Fox.
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: That seems like the kiss of death for Big Ten teams.
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: And then at Michigan and then USC.
• 34:54
  Speaker 3: I mean, like USC, I just don't know if they
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: can score with USC with a backup quarterback. But that
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: backup quarterback is going to be a real season by
• 35:03
  Speaker 3: the time they get to late November.
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: So I'm not ruling it out. I– am interested to
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: continue to follow this. We've been on for a little while,
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: but give me a, give me a 90 second, 2014
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: playoff thought. And let's get out of here.
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: I mean, it sucks.
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: Like I only needed three seconds. Yeah.
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: Look, all of this drama that we're talking about, like
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: there's going to be a lot of hearts, absolutely broken.
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: And they're in most cases, they're going to be probably
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: like very good teams instead of great teams that get
• 35:41
  Speaker 3: their hearts broken.
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: But still, I.
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: Think college football is at its best when everyone gets
• 35:49
  Speaker 3: to gather around the campfire and, like, point and laugh
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: at a big brand, whether that's Georgia losing to Auburn
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: or Ohio State getting upset or Texas or.
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: Whoever, right?
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: And I think, like, when you get to 24, these
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: upsets of these big brands– they don't really have enough
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: meaning to ruin their season anymore.
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: I mean, look, hey, I already thought that we.
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: Kind of screwed up the regular season when I watched
• 36:23
  Speaker 3: Ohio State lose to a 6-5 rival on the last
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: weekend of the season and go on and win a
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: national title. To me, that was sort of the moment
• 36:31
  Speaker 3: that the sport that I grew up with and loved died.
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: But this is a whole other level of.
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: Really kind of rendering– some of these results moot and
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: turning it into a, a one month tournament.
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: Like a six week sport, which sucks.
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: I think what so many people have have waxed poetically
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: on is when pay has talked about, you know, we're
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: taking the importance off of Texas, Ohio state, and we're
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: putting it onto Iowa, Nebraska, the last week of the year,
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: which is fine. That's a good point. What I didn't
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: think about was we are completely removing the the importance
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: of Florida going into the swamp and giving Texas their
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: second straight unranked loss.
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: Like Texas can afford one or maybe two more of those.
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: Like eight and four, Texas is probably right there around five.
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: They're definitely in.
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: And that is, yeah, you just rendered an entire quarter
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: of your third of your season irrelevant.
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: And so, and by the way, this is the shortest
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: regular season in major, Yeah.
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: It just, yes, it is going to make some, you know,
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: eight and two team in November really well, eight and
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: two teams would already have that, but it's going to
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: make some seven and two team in November or, you know,
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: six and three team in November have a lot of excitement.
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: You think about that? A six and three team to
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: start November is like, man, we're, we're, we're right here, man.
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: We got a bad, we got it right. Like we're
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: right in it. And so it is going to make
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: people feel a little bit better, I guess, from that perspective.
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: But I, yeah, I just, I don't love that. I
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: don't love.
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: I'm hoping common sense prevails.
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: It's not. Oh, it's not. I, the cake has been baked.
• 38:22
  Speaker 3: So maybe even like we might have to live in
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: the 24 world for a year or two, but I
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: think in the end, this will all come and be undone.
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: It would be nice. I have zero confidence.
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: You think that's going to happen? You don't think so?
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: I just, I don't think you often see reverting, you know,
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: once a decision has been made, you never go backwards
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: from it.
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: Do you think there's any chance that Donald Trump.
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: Will fix it for us?
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: Well, I mean, like, I think it's possible, like not
• 38:53
  Speaker 3: to talk political, but like, he seems like the type
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: of dude.
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: That like, if something catches his eye, he's just like, Oh,
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: that's interesting. You know? And kind of like latches onto it.
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: Uh, Is there any chance that he latches onto this
• 39:08
  Speaker 3: and realizes that it might be the most agreeable thing
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: that you could do in America right now would be
• 39:14
  Speaker 3: to ban this playoff from expanding and say, I.
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: Would love to do something that would make 90 plus
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: percent of people happy.
• 39:22
  Speaker 3: Some politicians got to look at this, right? That is
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: my hope is that the PCSA bill, it's it's still
• 39:29
  Speaker 3: got to go jump through hoops in the house and
• 39:32
  Speaker 3: all that. And that somebody jumps in and says, nah, nah,
• 39:37
  Speaker 3: like we're going to, we're going to amend this thing.
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I guess it's possible. I don't have a lot
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: of faith in that happening, but I suppose it's possible again.
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: I mean, I think we all know what this is. The,
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: it is the the teams that are spending too much
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: money feel like they need a participation trophy to justify
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: the money that they're spending. It is the biggest lipstick
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: on a pig situation that I've ever seen in my
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: entire life. You are, yeah, you may make the playoff
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: at 24th or 23rd or 22nd or 20th. You still
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: finished 20th that year. You still were not close. And
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: so maybe a year, a couple of years of bad results,
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: you know, early in the playoff, which we're already getting
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: that with 12 teams, but maybe a couple of years
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: of really lopsided results. Honestly, if they would have just,
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: if they would have marketed it better and said, we're
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: going to a 16 with.
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: A 16 plus eight.
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I'm, I'm, I'm such a soccer nut. I literally
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: just watched the champions league game with my daughter. The
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: champions league expanded exponentially this year. And what they did
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: was they just said, Hey, we're going to have our
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: 16 team tournament. Like we've always had, but we're going
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: to have a little play in to get into that
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: team tournament, which is, I love that bonus soccer, which
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: is 24 teams.
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: It's the same thing.
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: The playoff CFP is doing it's 24 teams, but it's just, Hey,
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: these top eight get in automatically. The next day got
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: to play their way in. We got eight, eight that
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: are at home and eight that are on the road.
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: If any of the road teams go into a hostile
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: environment and win, on a college campus or a European stadium,
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: then we'll put them in the playoff instead. But our
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: playoff is just 16 teams. There's an extra round. That's
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: like a play. And so I think if they would
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: have just marketed this, because that's exactly what the 24
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: team is. If they would have just marketed it as
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: we got a 16 team playoff, we got to play
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: in for the tournament. Nobody would be upset when the
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: NCAA goes to 72 or 144 or whatever number they
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: go to. Nobody would be upset if we said, Hey,
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: we're going to add extra play in games. Now, it'd
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: be the same thing in effect. But if we said, Hey,
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: our playoff is 16 teams. We compromised and we're going
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: to give you a way to play your way into
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: the tournament.
• 41:47
  Speaker 3: Sure.
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it would be, but we had to call it. We,
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: and again, that's the same thing in effect. The marketing
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: around everything with college football is terrible because it doesn't
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: need marketing. You want to know why? it's just already
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: great the way that it is. So it is dumb.
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: It's for a way for these boosters and donors to
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: continue to get big time money, bring more money in.
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: Cause it's not even that advantageous from a revenue perspective.
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: Pace talks about this losing the conference championships. It's costing
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: the sec a little bit of money. Um, everybody else
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: is kind of breaking even ish. You know, the ACC
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: is making a little big 12, but overall it basically
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: is just a big break even for the whole sport.
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: It's not about money. It's about the participation trophy that
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: these people need because they're spending too much on rosters
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: and still coming in 24th. You want to know why?
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: Because good coaches still win. That's why at the end
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: of the day, Kirby's paying the same thing everybody else is,
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: maybe a little less in some situations, and good coaches
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: still win at the end of the day. Ryan Day,
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: spending the same thing everybody else is, but they win
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: at the end of the day because they're good coaches.
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: So we need a participation trophy, and that's what we're getting.
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and the other thing about it too is I
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: know the coaches have been really behind this quietly in
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: a lot of cases. Cause I, you know, people like
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: myself and people with much larger profiles than myself pointed
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: this out as like participation, trophy culture, creeping into college football.
• 43:11
  Speaker 3: And you know that like college football coaches are like, shit,
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: you know, like, Oh, I can't be seen supporting that. But,
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: I'm going to go tell my athletic director I'm really
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: in favor of this and I'm worried about our ability
• 43:22
  Speaker 3: to get a fair shake from the playoff committee. My
• 43:26
  Speaker 3: point in saying it is these coaches think this is
• 43:29
  Speaker 3: going to change the perception of whether or not they
• 43:31
  Speaker 3: were successful at their job. We'll have interim coach. If
• 43:36
  Speaker 3: I had to bet, I would say we'll have an
• 43:38
  Speaker 3: interim coach coaching a first-round playoff game for Team 22,
• 43:45
  Speaker 3: something like that, within the first two years of this form.
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: Without a doubt. Yeah. Making it sounds good to make
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: the playoff every year. I mean, I was talking with
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: Allie today about it. A peek inside getters football.
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: Like obviously Florida state's a mess right now. You're going
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: to be just having a competent coach at a big
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: three school in the state of Florida. You're guaranteed a
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: playoff spot every year.
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: Like it is. It's insane. So, all right. we're going
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: to wrap up Graham coffee, dog central, TJ Pittenger, college
• 44:17
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• 44:20
  Speaker 1: three games today or two games today and talked a
• 44:22
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• 44:25
  Speaker 1: We'd love if you defund the playoff.
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: We'd love if you wrote to your president and, or
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: your state Senator and told them to kill this thing.
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: Uh, if Trump, if you watch this, please kill this. Um,
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: but we'll see what happens. So Graham, thanks for hanging out, man. Always.
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: Thanks for having me, man.