Latest / Wired To Hunt Podcast / Ep. 453: Foundations - Big Buck Setups on Moving Water
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- 0:01Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt Foundations podcast, your guide
- 0:05Speaker 1: to the fundamentals of better deer hunting, and now your host,
- 0:11Speaker 1: Tony Peterson. Welcome to the Wire to Hunt Foundations podcast,
- 0:15Speaker 1: brought to you by First Light. Today's show is all
- 0:19Speaker 1: about moving water and how it can and should play
- 0:23Speaker 1: in dear white tail hunts throughout the season. Last week
- 0:37Speaker 1: on this podcast, we switched gears from NonStop scouting to
- 0:40Speaker 1: talk about hunting strategies built around standing water. I mentioned
- 0:45Speaker 1: many times how I love hunting deer on water patterns,
- 0:49Speaker 1: and that's true. I'm not lying to you, but there's
- 0:52Speaker 1: nothing I love more than when I've got a chunk
- 0:55Speaker 1: of deer ground to work with that has a stream
- 0:58Speaker 1: or a river flowing through it. That's dreamy stuff for
- 1:02Speaker 1: so many reasons, and many of which you'll hear about
- 1:05Speaker 1: on this show. Pull on your knee highs or your
- 1:08Speaker 1: hip waiters and get ready to hear a strong case
- 1:11Speaker 1: for hunting flowing h two. Oh if it's not dear
- 1:24Speaker 1: season in your state yet, it's coming. This is like
- 1:27Speaker 1: the adult version of Christmas Eve, and it is freaking awesome. Now,
- 1:32Speaker 1: last week I covered mosquito factories are also known as
- 1:36Speaker 1: standing water. There is nothing I love more than water
- 1:40Speaker 1: when it comes to consistent white tail hunting. And while
- 1:42Speaker 1: I've got a soft spot in my heart for a
- 1:44Speaker 1: nice pond that is situated deep in the best cover,
- 1:48Speaker 1: I think moving water is where I really belong as
- 1:51Speaker 1: a deer hunter. This is because a good streamer river
- 1:54Speaker 1: offers up so many things to the white tail and
- 1:56Speaker 1: the white tail hunter. It often combines several reasons for
- 2:00Speaker 1: a white tail to be an exact, very specific spot,
- 2:04Speaker 1: and that is the secret sauce to not only killing
- 2:06Speaker 1: more dear, but hunting the most enjoyable locations possible. Now,
- 2:11Speaker 1: it's easy to look at moving water like it's just
- 2:13Speaker 1: another water source, and in some ways it is, but
- 2:16Speaker 1: it's also likely to feature some of the best security
- 2:18Speaker 1: cover around. That's two checks in the wind column, my friends.
- 2:23Speaker 1: Moving water also almost always is framed in quality food
- 2:28Speaker 1: as well. That's three solid reasons for white tails to
- 2:31Speaker 1: be there, and often be there in good numbers for
- 2:35Speaker 1: the white tail hunter. Moving water that isn't so big
- 2:38Speaker 1: it requires a boat or water wings to get across.
- 2:42Speaker 1: You've got all of those deer coming there for various reasons,
- 2:45Speaker 1: but you've also got incredible access opportunities, and a lot
- 2:49Speaker 1: of times my favorite reason of all concentrated travel. If
- 2:53Speaker 1: this sounds too good to be true, it's not. Quit
- 2:56Speaker 1: being such a pessimist. Well, actually, sometimes it is too
- 3:00Speaker 1: good to be true, and I apologize for that unwarranted
- 3:02Speaker 1: outburst right there. We will get to reality later after
- 3:06Speaker 1: I win you over with my argument for why there
- 3:08Speaker 1: is no better situation upon which to arrow a monster
- 3:11Speaker 1: whitetail than moving water of the right size and shape.
- 3:16Speaker 1: The absolute best rivers to hunt are those that are
- 3:19Speaker 1: big enough to concentrate deer on certain crossings, but not
- 3:22Speaker 1: so big that you can't walk them in knee high boots,
- 3:25Speaker 1: or do most of your ninja work on the banks
- 3:28Speaker 1: too small, like dealing with little, tiny streams is a
- 3:31Speaker 1: different story. If a deer can hop across anywhere, they
- 3:35Speaker 1: probably will. They might have a few crossings they favored
- 3:38Speaker 1: due to the terrain, but most of the time a
- 3:40Speaker 1: really tiny trickle isn't all that great. I have seen
- 3:44Speaker 1: if creeks are just big enough where deer will get
- 3:47Speaker 1: in the water and use them as travel corridors, just
- 3:49Speaker 1: like we use them to get into and out of
- 3:52Speaker 1: our stand sites that can be an asset and with
- 3:55Speaker 1: something I ran into in Nebraska a few years ago
- 3:57Speaker 1: while trying to arrow a velvet buck. The stream running
- 4:01Speaker 1: right through a chunk of public land I was camped on,
- 4:04Speaker 1: was maybe ankle deep at its deepest point. At its
- 4:07Speaker 1: widest between the banks, we were talking maybe twenty ft.
- 4:11Speaker 1: Since it was about a million degrees out during that
- 4:14Speaker 1: September hunt, I figured that if I spent enough time
- 4:16Speaker 1: on some of the crossings, I'd get a shot. What
- 4:20Speaker 1: I didn't expect was that the deer would get in
- 4:22Speaker 1: and randomly walk upstream and downstream, tucked in below six
- 4:26Speaker 1: ft tall banks where I couldn't shoot him. There wasn't
- 4:29Speaker 1: really any pattern to their movement as far as I
- 4:32Speaker 1: could tell. They just got in after walking down off
- 4:35Speaker 1: of this great big bluff, entered the water, and messed around.
- 4:39Speaker 1: They were there for the water, of course they were
- 4:41Speaker 1: going to go in there and drink, but they were
- 4:44Speaker 1: also in there kind of staging before they headed to
- 4:46Speaker 1: the neighbor's property to hit some groceries. There wasn't a
- 4:50Speaker 1: whole lot of concentrated movement, kind of just went everywhere.
- 4:53Speaker 1: That stream was just a little bit too small, and
- 4:55Speaker 1: even though on my on X. It looked like it
- 4:57Speaker 1: should set up right, and even when I looked at
- 4:59Speaker 1: it in person, I thought it was pretty good. It
- 5:01Speaker 1: just didn't work out that well for that hunting trip.
- 5:04Speaker 1: Maybe if I'd have stayed longer, I had have figured
- 5:05Speaker 1: it out, but I ran out of time. Not. The
- 5:07Speaker 1: other end of the spectrum is a good sized river.
- 5:10Speaker 1: I hate this scenario the most out of all moving
- 5:13Speaker 1: water hunting conditions. Now. I know deer swim across big
- 5:17Speaker 1: rivers from time to time. I've seen it, but I
- 5:19Speaker 1: don't think they make a habit out of it. It's
- 5:21Speaker 1: kind of like nature's version of a busy interstate. It
- 5:24Speaker 1: functions pretty well as a wall to those deer, even
- 5:28Speaker 1: though once in a while they will get across it.
- 5:31Speaker 1: This size of river, it kind of takes the crossing
- 5:34Speaker 1: situation right out of the equation. And while they might
- 5:36Speaker 1: dip down to drink, bigger rivers often have steep banks.
- 5:41Speaker 1: I don't think dear much prefer the feeling of being
- 5:43Speaker 1: trapped by water on one side and a fifteen foot
- 5:46Speaker 1: bank on the other. They don't seem too happy about that. Now.
- 5:49Speaker 1: On the other hand, I have seen flats along big
- 5:52Speaker 1: rivers that were full of deer, usually out west, where
- 5:55Speaker 1: quality white tail habitat isn't overly abundant. Some of those
- 5:58Speaker 1: spots can be amazing, but you're really not hunting a
- 6:01Speaker 1: water pattern there. You're hunting a concentration of deer nearer
- 6:04Speaker 1: where the water helped produce some brushing, gnarly habitat that
- 6:08Speaker 1: drew white tail's in. There are a few silver linings
- 6:11Speaker 1: with this scenario, which is that if you can find it,
- 6:13Speaker 1: it's usually highly observable. You can post up and glass
- 6:17Speaker 1: the bottom to see who's filtering in and out of
- 6:19Speaker 1: the willows and cotton woods, and see if the landscape
- 6:22Speaker 1: offers you up any good pinch points or ambush spots there.
- 6:26Speaker 1: The other thing is that while a tight valley with
- 6:28Speaker 1: a river in it is usually challenging windwise, a truly
- 6:32Speaker 1: big river with a sandy acre flat along it tends
- 6:37Speaker 1: to exist in a place where the ground has been
- 6:39Speaker 1: ironed out, so to speak. Playing the wind along a
- 6:41Speaker 1: spot of a river like that can be pretty easy
- 6:45Speaker 1: and very effective. Now, even with tiny streams or giant
- 6:49Speaker 1: rivers that aren't ideal are often easy to hunt. You
- 6:51Speaker 1: at least know that water equals white tails. That's a
- 6:54Speaker 1: good start, gives you something to work with. Now, when
- 6:57Speaker 1: it comes to the best moving water, this can be tricky.
- 7:01Speaker 1: I like a river that is big enough where I
- 7:03Speaker 1: have to be a little careful about waiting it in
- 7:05Speaker 1: the dark, because even though I can swim just fine,
- 7:08Speaker 1: I don't like to surprise myself with a few laps
- 7:11Speaker 1: in the dark while clutching my bow and having a
- 7:13Speaker 1: daypack strapped to my back. In my life of fishing
- 7:16Speaker 1: and hunting, I've fallen in a few rivers, and I've
- 7:19Speaker 1: been swept away a few times, and it's like car
- 7:22Speaker 1: accident level as far as narrowing down your focus to
- 7:26Speaker 1: the here and now. Trust me, it might sound kind
- 7:29Speaker 1: of funny, but once you've been through it, I promise
- 7:33Speaker 1: you don't want to go through it again. Also understand
- 7:36Speaker 1: that a river that has maybe I don't know, twenty
- 7:39Speaker 1: yards to a hundred yards across will likely feature enough
- 7:42Speaker 1: deep water and steep banks to concentrate crossings. In fact,
- 7:48Speaker 1: with satellite imagery you can damn near see them sometimes.
- 7:51Speaker 1: If you know how rivers function with long straight stretches,
- 7:54Speaker 1: bends and rapids, you can zoom in and often see
- 7:57Speaker 1: white water or at least a bit royaled up surface
- 8:01Speaker 1: where the river is shallow and rocky. That is often
- 8:04Speaker 1: where the crossings will be, especially if there are deep
- 8:07Speaker 1: stretches upstream or downstream, or for preferably both. If you're
- 8:11Speaker 1: researching huge chunks of federal land or walk in ranches,
- 8:16Speaker 1: you'll be able to see crossings very easily because the
- 8:19Speaker 1: cattle will use them. Trails deeply gouged in the bank
- 8:23Speaker 1: trails that often splay out on the flats are highly
- 8:27Speaker 1: visible via satellite imagery and can provide one hell of
- 8:30Speaker 1: a starting point if you're trying to figure out new
- 8:33Speaker 1: deer ground. The key to hunting these types of crossings, however,
- 8:37Speaker 1: is to suss out whether you're dealing with one major
- 8:39Speaker 1: crossing or a stretch of river with multiple crossings. A
- 8:44Speaker 1: major crossing that's easy enough, just set up down wind
- 8:47Speaker 1: and wait. A stretch with multiple crossings requires a different strategy,
- 8:51Speaker 1: and this is very very common on smaller to mid
- 8:56Speaker 1: sized rivers. If you can glass this kind of river
- 8:59Speaker 1: for a couple of nights, you can usually pin down
- 9:02Speaker 1: which trails bucks are using and then go mobile to
- 9:05Speaker 1: get on top of them. If you can glass it.
- 9:08Speaker 1: I like to sneak in and set the farthest down
- 9:10Speaker 1: wind crossing. What I'm hoping is that something comes down
- 9:14Speaker 1: and I can shoot it, But if not, I can
- 9:16Speaker 1: see some of the other crossings upstream or downstream from
- 9:20Speaker 1: my stand. If the deer don't cross at my spot,
- 9:22Speaker 1: I might see them use one farther up or farther down.
- 9:25Speaker 1: If the wind stays consistent, which it often does, it's
- 9:29Speaker 1: an easy move to the next crossing as soon as
- 9:32Speaker 1: I can hunt it. This is my absolute favorite hunting
- 9:35Speaker 1: scenario because even on public land, you rarely blank. If
- 9:40Speaker 1: you can see enough river, you'll see deer. I see
- 9:43Speaker 1: this even in low density areas. You also get actionable
- 9:47Speaker 1: sightings and clues from the deer on a daily basis,
- 9:50Speaker 1: which gives you the confidence that you're in the game
- 9:53Speaker 1: every day. That between the year's happiness is important when
- 9:57Speaker 1: you're engaged in days of mobile hunting, particular laterally on
- 10:00Speaker 1: pressure deer. I also love this scenario because it gives
- 10:05Speaker 1: me a good chance to hunt mornings, no matter what
- 10:07Speaker 1: time of the season it is. This isn't something you
- 10:10Speaker 1: can find everywhere, and morning sits in September can be
- 10:14Speaker 1: absolutely deadly if you can get in and actually hunt effectively.
- 10:19Speaker 1: The access that rivers often provide allows for that. Rivers
- 10:24Speaker 1: are corridors where you can get low out of the wind,
- 10:28Speaker 1: cover up some of your noise just by blending into
- 10:30Speaker 1: the sounds of rushing water, and you can stay out
- 10:33Speaker 1: of site if you're below the banks. With specific crossings.
- 10:37Speaker 1: This means you can get in in the dark before
- 10:39Speaker 1: first light and be where the deer will come to
- 10:41Speaker 1: as they head back to bed. Oftentimes they'll use the
- 10:44Speaker 1: same crossings at night and in the morning, which simplifies
- 10:48Speaker 1: the whole thing, but that's not always the case. I
- 10:51Speaker 1: got on a buck one time in North Dakota that
- 10:53Speaker 1: I saw crossing the river one evening, and then the
- 10:55Speaker 1: next morning I watched him half a mile upstream crossing
- 10:59Speaker 1: back to my side. I sat one crossing and my
- 11:02Speaker 1: buddy sat the other. The first night of the season,
- 11:05Speaker 1: that buck came down to the water, crossed and posed
- 11:08Speaker 1: up at twenty yards, which would have been ideal for
- 11:11Speaker 1: someone not falling apart from buck fever on a hundred
- 11:14Speaker 1: and fifty inch velvet buck. I missed that dude clean,
- 11:18Speaker 1: but the wind was howling and he didn't catch onto
- 11:21Speaker 1: the situation. My second shot was much better and proved
- 11:24Speaker 1: to be my biggest velvet buck ever and one of
- 11:27Speaker 1: the biggest deer I've ever shot. My buddy then narrowed
- 11:30Speaker 1: a great deer on the downstream crossing, which meant we
- 11:33Speaker 1: went to for two on public land on deer that
- 11:36Speaker 1: went straight to the taxidermists, thanks in large part to
- 11:39Speaker 1: just being able to glass and hunt river crossings. So
- 11:42Speaker 1: I hope you're getting fired up to sit some river
- 11:44Speaker 1: crossings this season if you have the chance. But you
- 11:47Speaker 1: should also think about dear travel, not only as they
- 11:50Speaker 1: go from bank to bank, but how they travel the
- 11:53Speaker 1: length of the river. It's a rare day when I
- 11:56Speaker 1: go into scout or haunt a new stream or river
- 11:58Speaker 1: where I don't find trails that run parallel to the water.
- 12:01Speaker 1: As well, in the right setup, where your wind can
- 12:04Speaker 1: blow out over deep water that the dey aren't likely
- 12:07Speaker 1: to enter, this provides another option for potential antlered visitors
- 12:11Speaker 1: to show up. It's also a reliable scenario for rut
- 12:15Speaker 1: hunting when bucks are cruising, because they sure seem to
- 12:19Speaker 1: like to follow waterways when their loins are burning and
- 12:22Speaker 1: their mental faculties are dimmist. This is reason enough to
- 12:25Speaker 1: get along a river, but can be unreal when the
- 12:28Speaker 1: temperatures are unseasonably warm during November. Do you remember back
- 12:32Speaker 1: in two thousand and sixteen when much of the early
- 12:35Speaker 1: November rut was just stupid hot? I do, because I
- 12:40Speaker 1: was in a tent of Nebraska trying to arrow a
- 12:42Speaker 1: public land buck. My usual strategies were proving unbelievably turd like,
- 12:48Speaker 1: so I figured I'd head down to the trout stream
- 12:50Speaker 1: that bisects the property and play the water game. What
- 12:53Speaker 1: I didn't expect was that I did encounter a micro
- 12:56Speaker 1: climate at the bottom of that valley that was just
- 12:59Speaker 1: a bit cooler and everywhere else. I also didn't expect
- 13:02Speaker 1: to set a stand up in a T shirt and
- 13:05Speaker 1: spot a cruising buck within a few minutes. Settling in
- 13:08Speaker 1: that gnarly six by four was the most miserable looking
- 13:11Speaker 1: buck I've ever seen, But he had cruise because it
- 13:16Speaker 1: was early November, and he did it in seventy five
- 13:19Speaker 1: degree heat. His mouth was literally hanging open and his
- 13:23Speaker 1: lips were covered in froth. But he was out there
- 13:26Speaker 1: looking to pass on his jeans, and I was lucky
- 13:28Speaker 1: enough to put an end to his reproductive dreams, and
- 13:31Speaker 1: it was again because of a river, but not necessarily
- 13:34Speaker 1: due to a crossing. Now I'm telling you about my
- 13:36Speaker 1: winds in the white Tail Woods when it comes to
- 13:38Speaker 1: honey moving water. But really there are no perfect scenarios
- 13:42Speaker 1: out there. The downside to playing this parallel travel is
- 13:46Speaker 1: that due to the nature of valleys where rivers tend
- 13:48Speaker 1: to exist, so two doesn't often unpredictable wind pattern. Whether
- 13:53Speaker 1: it's blowing up or down the valley. You'll often find
- 13:56Speaker 1: the wind regardless of forecasted direction. We'll get into the
- 13:59Speaker 1: valley with the river and take your set up stream
- 14:01Speaker 1: or down swirl around. That means that anything coming from
- 14:05Speaker 1: the wrong way on that parallel trail has a chance
- 14:08Speaker 1: to get a snoot full of danger. Think about this
- 14:11Speaker 1: when your eyeballing your setups. I often find myself in
- 14:14Speaker 1: stands right over the water in trees that are rooted
- 14:17Speaker 1: in the banks. This puts me inside the parallel trail
- 14:21Speaker 1: and hopefully within shooting distance of the best crossing. Sometimes
- 14:26Speaker 1: it puts you in shooting distance of the parallel trail
- 14:28Speaker 1: on the opposite bank as well, which is another check
- 14:31Speaker 1: in the wind calm and with the right wind. I've
- 14:34Speaker 1: beat the deer coming straight down to the water in
- 14:37Speaker 1: these scenarios, but also traveling right along it on both sides.
- 14:41Speaker 1: Of course, you might not have a perfect tree for this,
- 14:44Speaker 1: so you have to make some concessions. Sometimes. Oftentimes it's
- 14:47Speaker 1: best to just sit on the ground and tuck into
- 14:49Speaker 1: a dead fall or deep below a steep bank. And
- 14:52Speaker 1: this might sound stupid, but I've hidden right below where
- 14:55Speaker 1: the deer are likely to walk in spots where the
- 14:58Speaker 1: bank has fallen away and created a little Heidi holes.
- 15:01Speaker 1: You feel stupid in these spots, but the deer don't
- 15:03Speaker 1: have much of a chance to smell you, and they're
- 15:05Speaker 1: not gonna see you, or if they do, it's too
- 15:08Speaker 1: late for them because they're already down on the crossing.
- 15:11Speaker 1: Another rough situation while hunting moving water happens when you're
- 15:15Speaker 1: looking at satellite imagery and you're seeing everything you need
- 15:18Speaker 1: to see to know you've got a good hunt coming up.
- 15:21Speaker 1: The water is there, the potential crossings are there, and
- 15:24Speaker 1: the trees are there for you to set up him.
- 15:26Speaker 1: But when you walk into hunt for the first time,
- 15:28Speaker 1: you realize the trees are forty seven times the size
- 15:31Speaker 1: that would fit your standard your saddle strap and you've
- 15:34Speaker 1: grossly underestimated your ability to read cotton woods via satellite imagery.
- 15:39Speaker 1: This happens on away from home trips, and it's just
- 15:42Speaker 1: one of those situations you have to adapt to. For
- 15:45Speaker 1: anything closer to home or anything you've got the chance
- 15:48Speaker 1: to scout in person, this shouldn't happen. You should already
- 15:52Speaker 1: know where your best stand trees are in the best crossing,
- 15:54Speaker 1: so you don't run into any surprises like this on
- 15:57Speaker 1: those away game hunts. It's also important to note that
- 16:01Speaker 1: regulations surrounding water very greatly from state to state. You
- 16:06Speaker 1: might live in a state where legal access exists between
- 16:09Speaker 1: the banks or the high water mark, or you might
- 16:12Speaker 1: have to get into the water at a legal access
- 16:14Speaker 1: point and not get out until you're on land you
- 16:17Speaker 1: can hunt. You might realize that the state you're heading
- 16:20Speaker 1: to has very strict water access rules and that the
- 16:22Speaker 1: landowners own the surface water and anything beneath the surface,
- 16:26Speaker 1: meaning if you wage in you're in trouble. Some states
- 16:29Speaker 1: treat navigable water as a resource to anyone can use.
- 16:33Speaker 1: Others don't. In some cases, you might need to use
- 16:35Speaker 1: a kayak to get to your hunting grounds. This has
- 16:38Speaker 1: become more and more popular lately and can be an
- 16:40Speaker 1: excellent means of navigation. It's stealthy, fairly quick, and while
- 16:45Speaker 1: somewhat of a pain in the acid in general, also
- 16:47Speaker 1: one hell of an option if you have the right situation.
- 16:50Speaker 1: If you don't have a kayak, you might just consider
- 16:53Speaker 1: a hip or chess waiters as well, if the knee
- 16:55Speaker 1: highs won't cut it. I've done both, and here's a
- 16:58Speaker 1: note of caution. I'm not sure which, and I hate more.
- 17:01Speaker 1: If I can't just use knee high boots, it's almost
- 17:03Speaker 1: not worth it for me to hunt unless I just
- 17:06Speaker 1: need to cross maybe one time. Maybe it's just me,
- 17:09Speaker 1: but I can't put on a pair of waiters without
- 17:12Speaker 1: immediately filling them with water. I also can't pour myself
- 17:15Speaker 1: a cup of coffee in the morning without spilling some
- 17:17Speaker 1: of it, or point out when I think my wife
- 17:19Speaker 1: is wrong, despite the fact that I've had twenty years
- 17:21Speaker 1: to learn that there will be consequences for it. You're
- 17:24Speaker 1: probably better at life than me, so maybe you can
- 17:27Speaker 1: make waiters work if you need to in order to
- 17:29Speaker 1: get to a river crossing. I just know I personally
- 17:31Speaker 1: don't like it. I don't like filling out my waiters
- 17:34Speaker 1: in the dark and having wet clothes all day long
- 17:37Speaker 1: when I try to sit on my stand. So with
- 17:39Speaker 1: all that out of the way, I'll say this, I've
- 17:41Speaker 1: hunted just about every white tail situation out there, from
- 17:45Speaker 1: Texas on up to nearly Canada and east and West.
- 17:48Speaker 1: And while hunting styles and strategies differ by region in
- 17:52Speaker 1: the time of year, one of the most consistent things
- 17:55Speaker 1: I've noticed out there, no matter where I am hunting,
- 17:57Speaker 1: is the connection of white tails to water, specifically moving water.
- 18:02Speaker 1: If you're planning a hunt or hunting near home and
- 18:04Speaker 1: you've got some flowing water, figure out how to hunt it.
- 18:07Speaker 1: It might be the best white tailed draw from the
- 18:09Speaker 1: early season to the late season. That's it for this week,
- 18:15Speaker 1: my friends, be sure to tune in next week for
- 18:17Speaker 1: more deer hunting strategies so that you can keep filling
- 18:20Speaker 1: tags and making your hunting buddies jealous. I'm Tony Peterson
- 18:24Speaker 1: and this has been the Wired to Hunt Foundations podcast.
- 18:27Speaker 1: As always, thank you so much for the support. We
- 18:30Speaker 1: really appreciate it, and we will see you here next week.