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Alex Warren’s Drummer Almost Said No… Then Everything Changed · LOYAL TO THE CRAFT

• 0:00
  SPEAKER_00: Today we've got Tim Speer.
• 0:02
  SPEAKER_00: He's an incredible drummer and has done some amazing things in the music industry, chasing his dreams.
• 0:07
  SPEAKER_00: We made him drums a long time ago.
• 0:09
  SPEAKER_00: We've kept in touch throughout the years, but it's been many years since we touched bass.
• 0:13
  SPEAKER_00: Figured it'd be great to have him on the show.
• 0:15
  SPEAKER_00: He's currently on tour and playing drums for Alex Warren, and we're gonna talk about how he got this dream gig.
• 0:21
  SPEAKER_00: Tim, thanks so much for being on the show, man.
• 0:24
  SPEAKER_01: Dude, it's a pleasure.
• 0:25
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you so much for having me.
• 0:26
  SPEAKER_01: It's great to catch up.
• 0:27
  SPEAKER_01: It like you said, it's been a minute.
• 0:28
  SPEAKER_00: It's been a minute, dude.
• 0:29
  SPEAKER_00: I feel like the last time I saw you was probably in the halls of the Nam Trade show like five or six years ago.
• 0:37
  SPEAKER_01: It was it was definitely pre-COVID because I haven't been back since.
• 0:41
  SPEAKER_01: The last one was like the super spreader, the 2020 uh dude.
• 0:44
  SPEAKER_01: Because it was in January of that year before everything shut down.
• 0:48
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I definitely got COVID that year.
• 0:50
  SPEAKER_00: Flew home to Boston from California, like more miserable than I had ever been before, and it really messed me up.
• 0:57
  SPEAKER_00: But man, I'm so excited.
• 0:58
  SPEAKER_00: I I texted you months ago just saying, hey, I didn't even know you were playing for Alex Warren.
• 1:04
  SPEAKER_00: My younger sister was like, Hey, Alex's drummer follows you.
• 1:08
  SPEAKER_00: Do you know him?
• 1:09
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm like, oh my gosh.
• 1:10
  SPEAKER_00: Like Tim, Tim and I used to talk all the time.
• 1:13
  SPEAKER_00: And I texted you just saying, hey, this Adobe show came up.
• 1:16
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm like, dude, let's catch up in real time on the air and like see how everything's going and talk about your journey in music, man.
• 1:24
  SPEAKER_00: I'm so excited to catch up, but also get into all the tidbits that led you to such an incredible, you know, drumming gig like this.
• 1:31
  SPEAKER_00: This is awesome.
• 1:32
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, thank you so much.
• 1:33
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's been a wild ride.
• 1:35
  SPEAKER_01: Um, shoot, you and I met in it would have been like 2006 or 2007.
• 1:41
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:42
  SPEAKER_01: If we're gonna go all the way back, which I think we should because it's a fun story.
• 1:45
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, dude.
• 1:46
  SPEAKER_01: Um so I was in a band called Say No More that was signed to Drive Through Records.
• 1:51
  SPEAKER_01: And uh after we signed, I had a couple drum companies, because it was on absolutepunk.net, which is like the message board.
• 1:58
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I'm dating myself, but that was like the hub for all things like warp tour, all those bands that we all know and love.
• 2:06
  SPEAKER_01: And uh when we got signed, someone like you actually reached out and were like, hey, like are you guys going on tour?
• 2:12
  SPEAKER_01: Like, have you seen my drums?
• 2:13
  SPEAKER_01: Like SJC.
• 2:14
  SPEAKER_01: And I was like, dude, that would be a dream.
• 2:16
  SPEAKER_01: And we tag teamed a this really cool blue Argyle kit that I still have.
• 2:21
  SPEAKER_01: Um so that's how that's how we met.
• 2:25
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and then I was touring with that band.
• 2:28
  SPEAKER_01: We didn't work tour like 08, 09, and that band slowed down in like 2010.
• 2:32
  SPEAKER_01: I went back to to school.
• 2:34
  SPEAKER_01: I was in music school at the time, took a break to go on tour.
• 2:37
  SPEAKER_01: Went back to school, finished my degree, and then I was like, what do I want to do now?
• 2:41
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I want to play drums, I want to tour.
• 2:43
  SPEAKER_01: So um, you know, just kind of started I living in Los Angeles, I was there at the time and kind of started just trying to put my name out there.
• 2:50
  SPEAKER_01: And like you said, network and just play with as many people as I could play with, um, all sorts of gigs, you know, everything, every genre, just kind of being like, you know, say yes to whatever, um, which is sort of what led me to this gig that I'm on now with Alex, which has been like, you know, a dream.
• 3:06
  SPEAKER_01: It's been super cool.
• 3:07
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, let's let's stay in the early days for a minute.
• 3:09
  SPEAKER_00: Man, that was forever ago.
• 3:11
  SPEAKER_00: Literally 20 years ago, I have a very clear image in my head of your of your Argyle kit.
• 3:17
  SPEAKER_00: And this is like when my brother and I were still fairly new at building drums and like any career, and that's the thing about loyal to the craft that we try to share with the youth and their parents and the teachers is that things don't happen overnight, and you need to really go through the challenges and overcome them with the fuel of your passion for music or creativity, whatever it is that you're doing in your art, and push your way through it.
• 3:42
  SPEAKER_00: And I didn't have a graphic designer to make the Argyle pattern, and I I made your your file for the Argyle, like I hand drew it in Flash.
• 3:53
  SPEAKER_00: Flash doesn't even it doesn't even exist anymore, and that was an animation tool.
• 3:58
  SPEAKER_00: Like you used Flash to like animate websites and different things, and I figured out how to like export as like a JPEG.
• 4:04
  SPEAKER_00: So when you called us and we we, you know, I reached out because of Absolute Punk.
• 4:08
  SPEAKER_00: That was like my source of finding cool new bands, and I was a drive-thru records kid for sure, like loved anything that record label put out, was a big fan of your band, and I did a lot of outreach back then, like hitting bands up to find out about the drums we were building.
• 4:23
  SPEAKER_00: And yeah, dude, I I hand I hand drew your Argyle pattern and we got it printed and made the drums.
• 4:29
  SPEAKER_00: And that's the beautiful thing I feel like about the music industry is like cold calls and reaching out to people and just nowadays sending a DM.
• 4:39
  SPEAKER_00: Like it works.
• 4:40
  SPEAKER_00: And if you follow through and you like meet up in person, whether it's at a show or a convention that we met up eventually, like you can really nurture some incredible relationships.
• 4:49
  SPEAKER_00: And you know, networking sounds like such a cliche like business term, but it is networking, it's building a friendship web that you can call on, whether in a tough time and you need advice, or you literally need somebody to go, hey man, could you make an intro for me?
• 5:05
  SPEAKER_00: How would that work for you in the early days besides getting drums, you know, things like that?
• 5:10
  SPEAKER_00: Like talk me through the web that you built over the past couple decades that have led you to, you know, a career in music.
• 5:16
  SPEAKER_01: Totally.
• 5:17
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I mean, what you said about growing that web, and that's something I talk about a lot, because you know, I'm sort of like the elder lean, I've become an elder statesman, you know, I'm playing with artists that are 15 years younger than me, and they're like, whoa, you toured before iPhones?
• 5:30
  SPEAKER_01: Like, how did you even do that?
• 5:32
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and so when I when I talk to those younger people and they're like, you know, what would be your biggest advice?
• 5:38
  SPEAKER_01: I always say, you know, echo what you were just talking about.
• 5:41
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, it's it doesn't cost anything to be nice.
• 5:44
  SPEAKER_01: You know, obviously you have to be good at what you're doing to get your foot in the door.
• 5:47
  SPEAKER_01: But if you're a team player and you're nice and you have a good attitude and you're willing to like, you know, go the extra mile for whatever gig it is, like people remember that.
• 5:57
  SPEAKER_01: And you know, you're only on stage for an hour, hour and a half a night.
• 6:01
  SPEAKER_01: It's the other 22 and a half hours of the day that like really make set you apart from everyone else, you know, because there's so many great players out there.
• 6:08
  SPEAKER_01: It's like it's about establishing your positive attitude and you know, just not not being afraid to like be your genuine self.
• 6:16
  SPEAKER_01: I think that's such a valuable thing, especially out with like social media and stuff.
• 6:19
  SPEAKER_01: It's like just be who you are, you know, and people will see that and recognize that in you, and it's like such a such a valuable thing.
• 6:26
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 6:27
  SPEAKER_01: And I think early on, um, when that band slowed down and I wanted to start doing what I'm doing now, it was just saying yes to everything, you know, saying yes to the hundred dollar gig at the bar, or a lot of times the the gig that didn't pay anything because I can trace back the gig I have now with Alex, I can trace it all the way back to like a a session thing that I did with a guy that he could only pay me like 50 bucks.
• 6:49
  SPEAKER_01: But the engineer on that knew about a you know, an up-and-coming YouTube like act that needed a drummer.
• 6:55
  SPEAKER_01: And I did that, you know, I did that gig, and then I met three other people, and like that web just exponentially grows, you know.
• 7:01
  SPEAKER_01: A hundred percent.
• 7:02
  SPEAKER_01: And and it's and it doesn't, like you said, it doesn't the the networking, you know, stigma.
• 7:06
  SPEAKER_01: It is networking, but yeah, like you said, you're making friends and you're just like, oh, I I know this dude, like we did this thing five years ago.
• 7:13
  SPEAKER_01: He's great.
• 7:14
  SPEAKER_01: I think he'd be a great fit.
• 7:15
  SPEAKER_01: And like every like solid gig I've had has come from a word of mouth recommendation.
• 7:21
  SPEAKER_01: Let's and there's nothing more valuable in in especially in this industry than that.
• 7:25
  SPEAKER_00: 100%.
• 7:25
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, even in business, like when I was running the drum company, we very rarely spent money on ads.
• 7:31
  SPEAKER_00: You know, it was mostly word of mouth because somebody saying a positive thing to you in real life as a and how the how the music world works when you're on tour and you're backstage, drum techs, drummers, we all talk, you know, a reference and a really positive review from a drummer or anybody in that world.
• 7:51
  SPEAKER_00: And that is in the grand scheme of things, how business works as well.
• 7:54
  SPEAKER_00: Whether you're trying to be in a band or build your own brand, having that great authentic connection with people and being a person of your word and following through and committing to it is really, really important and clearly gets you.
• 8:08
  SPEAKER_00: You know, I talk too about like a lot of people say you got to climb the corporate ladder, but for me, it is that web.
• 8:13
  SPEAKER_00: There's no ladder.
• 8:14
  SPEAKER_00: When you're at the top, where do you go?
• 8:16
  SPEAKER_00: And it seems kind of lonely up there anyway.
• 8:18
  SPEAKER_00: If you're in this web, there's a lot of opportunity around to to pass around and and take, and it's a give and take world.
• 8:25
  SPEAKER_00: So that's really cool to to hear that.
• 8:28
  SPEAKER_00: Are you in LA or are you in Nashville now because of the band, or where are you located?
• 8:33
  SPEAKER_01: So I'm still located in LA.
• 8:34
  SPEAKER_01: Um, Alex, when I first started playing with him, he was also still in LA.
• 8:38
  SPEAKER_01: He's now in in Nashville.
• 8:40
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 8:40
  SPEAKER_01: The band is everyone in the band is LA based except for our keys player Joy.
• 8:45
  SPEAKER_01: She's in New York.
• 8:46
  SPEAKER_01: Cool.
• 8:46
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but we have been rehearsing in Nashville.
• 8:49
  SPEAKER_01: So they, you know, fly us all out there.
• 8:51
  SPEAKER_01: And we've been doing a lot of rehearsing.
• 8:54
  SPEAKER_01: You know, we did the we just did like a seven and a half week tour in the UK and Europe.
• 8:58
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and before that, we did like a week in Nashville and then a week of production rehearsals in Leeds.
• 9:03
  SPEAKER_01: And then that tour ended like May 9th, and then we had like five days off at home and then back to Nashville because we were, you know, changed the show a little bit for the US.
• 9:11
  SPEAKER_01: But um yeah, thankfully, um, with this gig, that's not really and that's it's not as important for this gig because there's you know more resources and we can just all the band can come together.
• 9:24
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so it's nice that it's you know, he doesn't have to have Nashville guys, it's just like he's stuck with I've you know I've been there with him now for two years, which is the longest of anyone in the band, which is absurd when you think about how fast he's kind of like taken off.
• 9:36
  SPEAKER_01: But yeah, it's cool that he's trusted me and and trusted the other people that he's the team that he's built to like continue on with him.
• 9:42
  SPEAKER_01: So it's been it's been so fun.
• 9:44
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's crazy.
• 9:45
  SPEAKER_00: You know, I again when my sister told me about because her and her her daughter love Alex, and she was like, the drummer Tim like follows you.
• 9:54
  SPEAKER_00: And I was like, dang, dude, that's a that's a gig, dude.
• 9:56
  SPEAKER_00: Like that's that's the dream gig.
• 9:59
  SPEAKER_00: Talk to me, you just mentioned it, and I think a lot of young musicians especially have this thought sometimes that things either happen fast or need to happen fast, and it and it doesn't.
• 10:12
  SPEAKER_00: And even when it does happen, it's a lot of work.
• 10:15
  SPEAKER_00: You have to be committed.
• 10:17
  SPEAKER_01: And there's a lot of stuff that you don't see before it happens.
• 10:20
  SPEAKER_01: So it feels fast, but like for me, you know, like there was 15 years of working up to being ready for that position, you know.
• 10:26
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 10:27
  SPEAKER_00: Talk to me about that, the process and the rehearsals and the the iterations and the obviously this creativity here.
• 10:34
  SPEAKER_00: So it's like, ooh, I want to change this part of the show.
• 10:37
  SPEAKER_00: It's not just an easy, well, let's just edit this out.
• 10:39
  SPEAKER_00: Like we all have to be locked in.
• 10:42
  SPEAKER_00: Talk to me through the realities of like being at a high-level position like you are right now and the the commitment that goes along with it.
• 10:49
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, sure.
• 10:50
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so we there's eight people in the band plus Alex, and we worked with, we worked with and are still working with a great musical director or MD, as we call them.
• 11:00
  SPEAKER_01: His name's Max Bernstein.
• 11:01
  SPEAKER_01: He was actually the guitar player for the Ares Tour.
• 11:04
  SPEAKER_01: Cool.
• 11:04
  SPEAKER_01: And you know, the biggest tour ever.
• 11:07
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and I was able to recommend his company um when they made a change, and we're working with his business partner, Drew Tobenfeld, who's another another incredible MD and great guitarist.
• 11:18
  SPEAKER_01: But he passed it along to Max because he was busy with Casey Musgraves.
• 11:22
  SPEAKER_01: Long story short, um, Max comes in with arrangement ideas and like will send us, you know, like rough ideas that he's built in his studio, and we, you know, have to learn those before we get to rehearsal because rehearsal is not when you learn your parts, it's where you all learn to play them together.
• 11:37
  SPEAKER_01: And then there's tons of changes being made, and and Max is a great MD and very open to hearing ideas from everybody.
• 11:44
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and so yeah, in rehearsals, we're we're just in there, we're we're digging through.
• 11:48
  SPEAKER_01: We use some backing tracks, but it's very minimal now that we have such a big band.
• 11:52
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but there is there is a level of pressure um to to execute, you know, at a high level every night.
• 11:58
  SPEAKER_01: And luckily, like the band that we have like is crushing it, and like everyone brings their A game every night.
• 12:03
  SPEAKER_01: And you know, you look out and you're like, shoot, we're doing arenas.
• 12:06
  SPEAKER_01: Like it's gotta be it's gotta be great.
• 12:08
  SPEAKER_01: It's you know, these people, these people want a good show, and we want nothing more than to deliver that.
• 12:13
  SPEAKER_01: So it's been really exciting and fun.
• 12:15
  SPEAKER_01: And like, you know, sometimes I'm like pinching myself because when I got the call to do Alex, I almost said no because he was I hadn't heard of him.
• 12:23
  SPEAKER_01: He was a fairly new artist.
• 12:24
  SPEAKER_01: He had a presence online um on TikTok and doing like influencer stuff.
• 12:30
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and I thought it was really funny, and I hadn't heard of him before, but once I saw it, I was like, oh, this kid seems great.
• 12:35
  SPEAKER_01: But I just come off an injury, I broke my collarbone in like a snowmobile accident like two years ago.
• 12:40
  SPEAKER_01: And so I was like, I was like, oh, this will be it was only like two weeks of shows or less than like a week and a half.
• 12:45
  SPEAKER_01: And I was like, I you know, it's a week and a half, you know, I I should just say yes, it'll be a good way to kind of like on-ramp back into like working again.
• 12:53
  SPEAKER_01: And then it just started taking off.
• 12:54
  SPEAKER_01: And I was like, he was like, dude, are you are you in?
• 12:57
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, yeah, you know, so you never know what the gig is gonna be that like does that.
• 13:02
  SPEAKER_01: And you know, going back to just like saying yes to everything, I mean, and being willing to like you know, take risks and and and just be like, sure, let's see what happens, you know, and then here we are.
• 13:13
  SPEAKER_00: Tell me about stacking skills because you're doing more than just playing drums.
• 13:17
  SPEAKER_00: You have to, you're on the grid, there's a lot of other members, there's a lot at play.
• 13:21
  SPEAKER_00: Talk to me about preparation and what a younger player can do to put themselves in a position to be ready for a call like this.
• 13:31
  SPEAKER_01: Sure.
• 13:32
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I think in in my role as a drummer, first and foremost, you have to be comfortable with playing to a click track.
• 13:39
  SPEAKER_01: Um that's any any sort of pop gig or any any gig that is going to use supplemental tracks to make it sound like the record.
• 13:48
  SPEAKER_01: You have to play along with a click.
• 13:50
  SPEAKER_01: So that would be the first thing I would recommend is like, you know, get a metronome and just practice.
• 13:54
  SPEAKER_01: And then you want it to feel like the click's not even there.
• 13:57
  SPEAKER_01: Like if you can hear the click, that means you're like rushing or or or or dragging, at least for me.
• 14:02
  SPEAKER_01: And I've been doing it so long now you don't really even think about it.
• 14:04
  SPEAKER_01: It just becomes internalized.
• 14:05
  SPEAKER_01: And you're like, okay, one, two, three, four, here we go.
• 14:09
  SPEAKER_01: So that is definitely something that I would say would be like the you know, the base, like the building block to go, to go from.
• 14:16
  SPEAKER_01: Um and after that, I would say familiarize yourself with like a you know, a DAW digital audio workstation, like Ableton is pretty much the industry standard for running backing tracks.
• 14:25
  SPEAKER_01: Because a lot of times it falls on the drummer to be the playback tech, which I was for Alex until about a year ago.
• 14:32
  SPEAKER_01: Like the first year that we did it, I was I had the two computers next to me.
• 14:35
  SPEAKER_01: I was firing tracks, I was communicating to the band via talkback, like, okay, we got a quick change here.
• 14:41
  SPEAKER_01: He's gonna talk for a second, I'll cue the song, you know, visually making sure everyone's ready so I'm not starting it before they're ready.
• 14:48
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but as a drummer, I think having just basic knowledge of how to operate a DAW like Ableton or some people use Pro Tools, just familiarizing yourself with that.
• 14:57
  SPEAKER_01: And so when it inevitably will be asked of you, you can be like, yeah, I'm comfortable.
• 15:02
  SPEAKER_01: Um let's see, what else?
• 15:04
  SPEAKER_01: Um I think you know, working on your communication skills.
• 15:08
  SPEAKER_01: Like in this band, I was the band leader and now I'm the co-band leader because Max is on tour with us as the MD.
• 15:14
  SPEAKER_01: So it's my job to make sure, like kind of run before Max got there, I was running rehearsals and um communicating, kind of interfacing between the artists, in this case Alex, and then the band and making sure that he's getting everything he needs from us and that the band feels comfortable.
• 15:27
  SPEAKER_01: It's really, it's like you know, just like managerial skills that that uh you don't even realize is that until you're in it doing it.
• 15:35
  SPEAKER_01: And I think being a good communicator and like having empathy and meeting people where they are, because you know, it can be stressful, you know, you're in there, and if you make a mistake, it's gonna happen.
• 15:44
  SPEAKER_01: People are human, you're never gonna be perfect.
• 15:46
  SPEAKER_01: But having grace with that.
• 15:48
  SPEAKER_01: And, you know, if there's a note that you need to give, you know, make a call it a compliment sandwich, which is kind of a negative connotation.
• 15:55
  SPEAKER_01: But I think it's it's a good visualization of like, you know, reinforce something that that the person is doing well and then give them the note in a productive way that's like, hey, you're crushing this on the pre-course, it sounds really awesome.
• 16:06
  SPEAKER_01: Let's be aware of when we get to the course, you're kind of dragging that part of it.
• 16:10
  SPEAKER_01: Let's just like be cognizant of that for the next time we try it, you know.
• 16:13
  SPEAKER_01: Just communication skills.
• 16:14
  SPEAKER_01: That's like literally the most important thing you could have as a drummer slash band leader slash band member.
• 16:20
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 16:20
  SPEAKER_00: Is that something that you always had, or was it kind of taught to you?
• 16:24
  SPEAKER_00: Did you take an interest in that and had a mentor?
• 16:26
  SPEAKER_00: Like, where did you develop that skill set?
• 16:28
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's a great question.
• 16:30
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I think I've always been a pretty good communicator and just like, you know, like being aware of of people and their energy and their emotions and like where to meet them and how to meet them.
• 16:41
  SPEAKER_01: I I guess it's like emotional intelligence.
• 16:43
  SPEAKER_01: Like that's something that that I think that was already something I had.
• 16:48
  SPEAKER_01: But then once once I started to be uh put in roles with more responsibility, I became more aware of it and really tried to always be aware of yeah, just where people are and how they're feeling, you know.
• 17:01
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 17:02
  SPEAKER_01: The way I would deliver a note to one person might be completely different than how I would deliver it to another person.
• 17:07
  SPEAKER_01: And being able to communicate like that and keep everyone comfortable, because you can't play scared.
• 17:12
  SPEAKER_01: If you're up there playing scared, if you're playing scared to make a mistake, it's gonna be tight.
• 17:16
  SPEAKER_01: You're not gonna play well, you know, you gotta be loose, you have to be comfortable and not be afraid to make a mistake.
• 17:21
  SPEAKER_01: And then when you put in the hours of preparation and like all the rehearsals and the stuff you do at home before you get to rehearsals, now it's like I get up there and I'm able to enjoy it.
• 17:30
  SPEAKER_01: I'm having fun, I'm vibing with the other band members, I'm like looking into the crowd, like it's almost muscle memory at that point.
• 17:36
  SPEAKER_01: And then you're free to play, and then new stuff comes out.
• 17:38
  SPEAKER_01: You're like, you know, I'll do a fill sometimes, and Joy our keyboard player is like so locked in and she'll look over and be like, yeah, that was sick.
• 17:45
  SPEAKER_01: Like you didn't do that last night.
• 17:47
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 17:47
  SPEAKER_01: And having, you know, putting in the preparation and being able to be comfortable and free is just like it's so important.
• 17:53
  SPEAKER_01: And then that's when it's the most fun because you're just up there listening to your friends do their thing and like playing off of them.
• 18:00
  SPEAKER_01: It's yeah, it's it's great.
• 18:01
  SPEAKER_01: It's really a joy.
• 18:03
  SPEAKER_00: And do you think that the years of touring in a van and playing shows to maybe nobody or a hundred people, do you think that that built the foundation for you to be in the position that you're in now?
• 18:15
  SPEAKER_01: A hundred percent.
• 18:16
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I wouldn't be the player I I am today, or the, you know, to be able to be in a leadership role had I not had those years of, you know, DIY booking our own tours.
• 18:25
  SPEAKER_01: I was settling shows, you know, I was driving, I was, you know, you know, we didn't even have in ear.
• 18:31
  SPEAKER_01: So you'd go up and talk to the sound guy, and hopefully they'd be like, yeah, you can have five minutes to check before you're, you know, you have to start.
• 18:37
  SPEAKER_01: Um, it's also just giving me a real appreciation.
• 18:40
  SPEAKER_01: And like, because I've experienced the the hardships of DIY touring and stuff.
• 18:45
  SPEAKER_01: Like when I get there and I have a drum tech that's changed all my heads, and like we just show up and sit down and play.
• 18:50
  SPEAKER_01: It's like I can really appreciate it in a way that's like, man, I'm living the dream.
• 18:55
  SPEAKER_01: This is so cool.
• 18:56
  SPEAKER_01: But yeah, for sure, like having those experiences.
• 18:59
  SPEAKER_01: I'm trying to think, I think the first one of the first gigs I ever had where I was kind of responsible.
• 19:07
  SPEAKER_01: I wasn't like the MD, but I was responsible for running rehearsals.
• 19:11
  SPEAKER_01: I called a friend and was like, hey, do you have any advice?
• 19:16
  SPEAKER_01: And um he was like, Yeah, just like be yourself, be a good communicator, and like, you know, don't be afraid to give notes because at the end of the day, it's they're asking you to fulfill that role, but just you know, be mindful of of how you deliver it.
• 19:31
  SPEAKER_01: Because it's so often like the delivery is as important as the message, if not more.
• 19:35
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, definitely.
• 19:37
  SPEAKER_01: So yeah, that's that's something that he imparted on me that was super valuable.
• 19:41
  SPEAKER_00: Totally.
• 19:42
  SPEAKER_00: Other than you know, drum tech and and the those amenities that come with you know being in an arena touring band, what are some things that you miss from the DIY days touring in a van?
• 19:54
  SPEAKER_00: Because I want the youth especially to know that the dream is to be in a bus and to play in arenas and to all the things that come along with that, money, all of the the eases that that are that are the the burdens that are lessened when you have a bigger crew, but you can't you can't skip the process.
• 20:13
  SPEAKER_00: You have to do the DIY part.
• 20:15
  SPEAKER_00: What are some of your favorite moments of the DIY years?
• 20:18
  SPEAKER_00: Is it touring in a van and and and slumming it, so to speak?
• 20:22
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I mean, I literally was having a conversation with uh Max RMD last night on the bus about those days of touring and playing to like the opening band and like the sound guy and maybe like the bass player's girlfriend that's tagging all.
• 20:36
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 20:37
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and we toured in a a night, my old band, Saint A Moore.
• 20:41
  SPEAKER_01: We were touring in a 1972 Dodge Tyoga motorhome, like doing warp tour and stuff.
• 20:45
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 20:45
  SPEAKER_01: We we lovingly called it Gumby because it had green shag carpet.
• 20:50
  SPEAKER_01: And at this, at this time you could park in Walmart parking lots overnight and they would wouldn't or ask you anything.
• 20:56
  SPEAKER_01: And it was free iPhone.
• 20:57
  SPEAKER_01: So we had our like, you know, our Tom Tom uh GPS and an and a Walmart almanac with all the locations of all the warm Walmarts in the country.
• 21:06
  SPEAKER_01: So we'd play a show and be like, all right, where's the closest Walmart?
• 21:09
  SPEAKER_01: I guess we're driving you know four hours in the right direction.
• 21:12
  SPEAKER_01: And we'd set up and then we started inviting other bands to come hang out with us in the Walmarts, and we would we would gather all the shopping carts together and we'd play frisbee golf.
• 21:20
  SPEAKER_01: Like we'd have a frisbee and make a little golf course, and we had like a Weber grill and we would cook out, and it was like totally like it felt like being on a family vacation with your best friends.
• 21:29
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 21:29
  SPEAKER_01: You know, it's like some of the best memories that I had.
• 21:32
  SPEAKER_01: And you know, I was in my early 20s at this point, I was 21, 22, but like you didn't care about the fact that you were making no money or like that you weren't playing to as many people as you might have hoped, because like you're making such good memories with people that are like minded and like creative and like want nothing more than to just like do what they're passionate about, which in this case was you know playing music with your friends.
• 21:53
  SPEAKER_01: So like I wouldn't trade those years for anything.
• 21:56
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, like the best.
• 21:58
  SPEAKER_00: I used to do that too.
• 21:59
  SPEAKER_00: We would park.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_00: Didn't have a motorhome, but we would all tour in like a you know 12 or 15 passenger dodge van and we would do the Walmart thing, and we would park our vans and trailers into like a square, and we would all sleep on the van the Walmart parking lot inside the the little kind of like square we made with our van to circle the wagons, yeah.
• 22:18
  SPEAKER_00: No, nobody could mess with us, and towards the later years, Walmart definitely started to catch on, and they would like you know, walk through, you know, between the van and the trailer and kick wake us up and kick us out.
• 22:28
  SPEAKER_00: But yeah, those are the years, man.
• 22:30
  SPEAKER_00: And like, not to say that what you're doing now isn't incredible.
• 22:33
  SPEAKER_00: Like you said, looking out into a filled arena, like that is the dream.
• 22:38
  SPEAKER_00: You know, what are some of your favorite moments now being able to live and and and kind of fulfill that dream of yours that you've had for so long?
• 22:46
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I mean, it it happened like obviously everything leading up to this took years and years, but with Alex and you know, when Ordinary blew up, it happened so fast that it was almost like you didn't even really have time to think about it.
• 22:58
  SPEAKER_01: Because we went from playing like, you know, my first tour with him was with you know 350 cap rooms, and then it was immediately into like 2500, and then we were doing sheds, like five, six thousand, seven thousand, and then last year was like jingle ball all arenas, and they're like, buckle up, dude.
• 23:14
  SPEAKER_01: Next year is like all arenas, the whole tour headline.
• 23:17
  SPEAKER_01: And so the crew went from like, you know, there was four of us on the first tour, and then there was like 12 of us on the next tour, and then like 30, and now there's over a hundred people that are on this tour traveling with us every day.
• 23:30
  SPEAKER_01: Oh my gosh.
• 23:31
  SPEAKER_01: It's insane.
• 23:33
  SPEAKER_01: And so, like, it's been fun to like you know, get there kind of early before we need to be there and just see like how much goes into it.
• 23:39
  SPEAKER_01: Like, they build the stage every day.
• 23:41
  SPEAKER_01: We're traveling with a PA, all the rigors that are hanging everything, and like jobs I didn't even know existed in the touring industry.
• 23:47
  SPEAKER_01: That I'm like, what do you do?
• 23:48
  SPEAKER_01: And he like, oh, I work in automation, like see those things that are flying around above your head, like I'm controlling those with like a chain and lever in this program.
• 23:55
  SPEAKER_01: Like, so it's been cool to see like touring on this level that I've only seen as a fan in the audience, and just being like, whoa, like seeing a lot of that behind the scenes stuff has been super cool for me.
• 24:05
  SPEAKER_01: And also just like meeting so many more people.
• 24:08
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I met a dude two days ago that was on the European tour that I didn't even meet, and we were on tour for seven weeks together because he was like on the night crew when like we were always just like just missing each other, and he's like, Oh, dude, yeah, I see you plane up there.
• 24:19
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, I feel bad that we toured this whole time.
• 24:21
  SPEAKER_01: I don't even know you.
• 24:21
  SPEAKER_01: He's like, dude, I'm sleeping most of the time when you're playing.
• 24:24
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, because it's a it's like a a true like traveling village.
• 24:27
  SPEAKER_01: It's it's pretty insane.
• 24:29
  SPEAKER_00: That is insane.
• 24:30
  SPEAKER_00: What is something beside the amount of the sheer amount of people that it takes?
• 24:34
  SPEAKER_00: What is something that has surprised you the most about getting to this level and being, like you said earlier before the break, one of really four or five people that were there at the very beginning and watching it explode to over a hundred people?
• 24:47
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 24:48
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, first of all, I'm just thankful that Alex has like trusted me and kept me around, you know, because I've I've heard stories so often of like, you know, artists that blow up like this and then they just call, you know, the big heavy hitters that you know everyone knows and loves at each instrument and just making like a super band, which is awesome too, because you know, you want the best, but it's it's been rad that he's kept a lot of us along for the ride.
• 25:12
  SPEAKER_01: So I'm super thankful for that.
• 25:14
  SPEAKER_01: Um, let's see, as far as like something that surprised me, I didn't know that tours that this on this level like traveled with this many people, as far as like we have a whole bus that's just the people from catering.
• 25:25
  SPEAKER_01: Like they're with us on the whole tour, they're cooking for us three meals a day, breakfast, lunch, and dinner.
• 25:30
  SPEAKER_01: Because you can't like have a hundred people just leaving for half an hour to go get lunch, right?
• 25:35
  SPEAKER_01: Nothing would be done.
• 25:36
  SPEAKER_01: And like they're making us like amazing food and making sure everyone's like staying healthy, and like so that was surprising.
• 25:42
  SPEAKER_01: I started seeing on the European tour the guy that was serving me food every name, his name was Richard, lovely guy from Ireland, and I was like, we're gonna be seeing a lot of each other.
• 25:49
  SPEAKER_01: He's like, Yes, we are, mate.
• 25:51
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I'm gonna make sure we keep you fed.
• 25:53
  SPEAKER_01: So that's that's been something I didn't realize that was always the case.
• 25:56
  SPEAKER_01: Um also just the amount of people like that, you know, there's a product there's production side.
• 26:01
  SPEAKER_01: So there's a production manager who's in charge of all of the like the stuff with the stage, the stuff with getting audio built.
• 26:09
  SPEAKER_01: Like literally, we get to an empty arena every day, and then they build this huge stage, a a B stage where we do an acoustic moment in the middle of the show.
• 26:18
  SPEAKER_01: Um, all the stuff that's in the in the rafters, all the stuff that's flying around.
• 26:21
  SPEAKER_01: We have lights moving up and down.
• 26:23
  SPEAKER_01: There's a whole pyro team because we have like some pyro happening, um, confetti, like it's just the and then all of those teams have to interface with each other to make sure that like the confetti is gonna go off at the right time, and that has to be time code in the computer.
• 26:38
  SPEAKER_01: And then we know when that's fired, everything is everyone is communicating with each other.
• 26:42
  SPEAKER_01: So it's like a very complex web of like all these very specifically skilled people that have come together to put on like what is a really cool, fun show.
• 26:51
  SPEAKER_01: I love it.
• 26:52
  SPEAKER_01: So that's been it's been rad to see like how those those um departments interface and like what that takes, and again, like the level of communication and like and just precision that is needed to pull that off every night.
• 27:04
  SPEAKER_01: It was like truly I didn't realize how much how many people and and how much precision it takes.
• 27:10
  SPEAKER_01: But it's it's very impressive.
• 27:11
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and I hope you know the takeaway for me, and I love the answer, you know, that I'm always really intrigued about that type of stuff and was kind of hoping you'd go down that path because I try to, whenever parents hit us up and young musicians or young creatives that want to be in the music space, they just may not know exactly where they fit or where they want to be.
• 27:31
  SPEAKER_00: There are so many actual sustainable careers in music, even if you're not a musician and playing music.
• 27:39
  SPEAKER_00: Even if you are a musician, getting a gig as a drum tech or a guitar tech or selling merch is at least getting you out there, getting the experience of touring, finding what your true passion is.
• 27:49
  SPEAKER_00: You may go out on tour as a drum tech and go, wow, I actually want to tour manage.
• 27:54
  SPEAKER_00: I love logistics and I want to do that.
• 27:56
  SPEAKER_00: And there are actually real sustainable career paths in music that have nothing to do with actually playing an instrument.
• 28:03
  SPEAKER_01: 100%.
• 28:04
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, the more people are not playing an instrument than our, you know, it's like a very like there's eight of us on stage, and then there's 90 people that are doing everything else to make it so we can do that.
• 28:14
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 28:14
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so yeah, if if you're a young player or a young person that's interested in that creative field, I think the the best advice I would have is like start going to shows.
• 28:23
  SPEAKER_01: Just go to a bunch of shows, go to as many shows as you can.
• 28:26
  SPEAKER_01: Talk to the people that are there.
• 28:27
  SPEAKER_01: Hey, what do you do?
• 28:28
  SPEAKER_01: Hey, like, do you think I could come shadow you on one of you, you know, like just ask those questions.
• 28:33
  SPEAKER_01: And people can recognize when someone's passionate about something, you know, go to show and be like, hey, like, how like what happens from when you get here to when the band is here?
• 28:42
  SPEAKER_01: Can I just follow you around and watch what you're doing?
• 28:44
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 28:45
  SPEAKER_01: And then often those turn into like, you know, unpaid internships, and then someone moves on, and then it's like, oh, I already you already know what we're doing, you're hired.
• 28:52
  SPEAKER_01: And then like that snowballs, and like just put yourself out there.
• 28:55
  SPEAKER_01: That's that's the most important thing you could do if you're passionate about it.
• 28:58
  SPEAKER_01: Like, get out there and just do it, you know.
• 29:01
  SPEAKER_01: I love it.
• 29:01
  SPEAKER_01: Make those connections.
• 29:02
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 29:03
  SPEAKER_00: 100%.
• 29:04
  SPEAKER_00: Tell me about working on the music for Wizard of Oz.
• 29:07
  SPEAKER_00: How did that happen?
• 29:08
  SPEAKER_00: What did you do?
• 29:09
  SPEAKER_00: Like, what was that process like?
• 29:11
  SPEAKER_01: So I didn't actually work on the film The Wizards of Oz.
• 29:15
  SPEAKER_01: I work with a production team that their like moniker, their production monikers the Wizards of Oz.
• 29:20
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 29:21
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so what had nothing to do with the movie, but it's still very cool.
• 29:24
  SPEAKER_01: So I was in a band called All Good Things that started as a production project.
• 29:30
  SPEAKER_01: My friends Andrew and Liz Bojanik um are an Australian couple.
• 29:34
  SPEAKER_01: That's why they named it that because Oz, you know, Australia.
• 29:37
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 29:37
  SPEAKER_01: Um, they moved to LA there, you know, when they were in their 20s and started doing production music for like um uh libraries, you know, for for stuff we could like blanket license for like film and TV and commercials.
• 29:53
  SPEAKER_01: They had music all over like all the reality shows and stuff.
• 29:56
  SPEAKER_01: And this was what collection that they did, and they had a song called For the Glory that like started to get some traction.
• 30:01
  SPEAKER_01: It actually went to number one at Rock Radio.
• 30:03
  SPEAKER_01: Wow.
• 30:03
  SPEAKER_01: This is like 2021, 2022.
• 30:07
  SPEAKER_01: And so they're like, well, shoot, we have to make this like a real band.
• 30:10
  SPEAKER_01: This was just like a fun like studio project.
• 30:12
  SPEAKER_01: So we you know put a band together and and went on tour, and like we opened for POD on their 20th anniversary of the uh satellites record, did some other cool tours.
• 30:22
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and that band is still active.
• 30:24
  SPEAKER_01: Then we're not touring, but we're still doing stuff in the studio.
• 30:27
  SPEAKER_01: Um, the singer of that band, my friend Dan Murphy, I met in 2007 on tour with Sain No More, and they were in Montana at the time.
• 30:34
  SPEAKER_01: And when he moved to LA, their drummer wasn't able to come.
• 30:36
  SPEAKER_01: And he was like, Hey, like, do you want to play drums?
• 30:38
  SPEAKER_01: Just another example of like you meet someone here, and then three years later, it's like, oh yeah, I remember that we had fun hanging out.
• 30:44
  SPEAKER_01: Like, do you want to be in this band?
• 30:45
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 30:46
  SPEAKER_01: And then 15 years after that, you get a number one at Rock Radio.
• 30:49
  SPEAKER_01: Like, it's it's crazy.
• 30:50
  SPEAKER_00: That is crazy.
• 30:51
  SPEAKER_00: And it sounds like you're doing a lot of different things to keep your creative juices flowing.
• 30:56
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, what's your what's your process for staying inspired and being at the highest level that you can when you're playing with Alex in the band, but also doing other creative endeavor endeavors to keep the kind of keep the creative juices flowing, as I said.
• 31:09
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 31:09
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I listen to a lot of music.
• 31:11
  SPEAKER_01: It's been fun, like, you know, being one of the older members of the band now.
• 31:15
  SPEAKER_01: Like whenever we're in the dressing room, we uh, you know, kind of pass the ox around.
• 31:19
  SPEAKER_01: It's like, oh, do you want to play a song?
• 31:20
  SPEAKER_01: Do you want to play a song?
• 31:21
  SPEAKER_01: So I've learned about a lot of newer, like younger bands that I didn't know about.
• 31:25
  SPEAKER_01: And then I've also been able to be like, you guys, we have to listen to Steely Dan right now because they are the best.
• 31:30
  SPEAKER_01: So it's it's been fun, like, you know, just learning about new music.
• 31:33
  SPEAKER_01: Another cool thing that we've been doing on this tour that was Max's idea is every member of the band picks a song and sends it to the rest of the band, and they have to learn that song, and then we play it at soundcheck like three days later.
• 31:46
  SPEAKER_01: That's awesome.
• 31:47
  SPEAKER_01: So I went first and I chose Hands Down by Dashboard Confessional because I was like a huge dashboard kid when I was younger.
• 31:53
  SPEAKER_01: And like the band learned it and it crushed it, and two guitar parts, the keys, the background vocalists were like shredding, and like it literally brought like a tear to my eye.
• 32:02
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, dude, I'm playing a dashboard song in an arena right now.
• 32:05
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 32:06
  SPEAKER_01: This is so cool.
• 32:08
  SPEAKER_01: And then every member picks us picks a you know a song we do like two a week, and at the end, like the you know, they're recording them at front of the house.
• 32:15
  SPEAKER_01: Now we have this fun kind of like capsule of like all of our musical influences and stuff.
• 32:21
  SPEAKER_01: And like I've learned a lot of new songs and like been challenged to play like stuff that I might not otherwise like try to go for.
• 32:27
  SPEAKER_01: So that's it's a that was a really cool idea that Max had.
• 32:30
  SPEAKER_00: That's sick.
• 32:31
  SPEAKER_00: I I that's a great idea.
• 32:33
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I love that.
• 32:34
  SPEAKER_00: I I haven't heard any other band doing that, and it keeps you know the camaraderie, but also the creative juices flowing of like everybody staying at the top of their game, learning something new and expanding their horizons.
• 32:45
  SPEAKER_00: Besides that, I mean that's a that's an incredible like tip that I hope people you know take and and and pass on.
• 32:52
  SPEAKER_00: Beside that, what's some of your favorite stuff to do on the road to keep your chops up?
• 32:56
  SPEAKER_00: Obviously, eating healthy, all those habits, like what what what are some of the things that you've done that you've included, you know, implemented into your regiment that you may not have done when you were sleeping in Walmart parking lots?
• 33:06
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it definitely wasn't like going to the gym or exercising then because there wasn't enough time in the day.
• 33:12
  SPEAKER_01: Because it's like you're either sleeping, driving, or like loading in and loading out.
• 33:15
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 33:15
  SPEAKER_01: So like the luxury of like waking up in the town that you're gonna be in, like definitely like keeping your body flowing.
• 33:21
  SPEAKER_01: Like I don't I don't typically run when I'm at home, but on tour I try to run like four or five days a week, just like a couple miles, nothing crazy, just to like keep your more for like my mentals.
• 33:31
  SPEAKER_01: Like when I don't exercise, I start to feel kind of crazy, like stir crazy, and you're like, it's groundhog day, you're in a different hotel, a different venue every day.
• 33:38
  SPEAKER_01: So it's nice and get outside and like touch, like literally touch grass and go for a run.
• 33:43
  SPEAKER_01: So I do that most days.
• 33:44
  SPEAKER_01: I'll go for a run.
• 33:45
  SPEAKER_01: And then as far as like keeping my chops up, like I just have a practice pad that I keep in the wardrobe case.
• 33:52
  SPEAKER_01: It's just in our dressing rooms.
• 33:53
  SPEAKER_01: And then, excuse me, every day when we get there, I'll do like I have a couple routines that I like to do, but then I found what's more fun is when we're in there, everyone's getting dressed, kind of getting ready, hanging out.
• 34:03
  SPEAKER_01: Um, whatever song is being played on the speakers, I'll just like practice rudiments at that tempo.
• 34:09
  SPEAKER_01: So, you know, I'll do like flam taps or paradiddles or whatever, um, just to get my you know, get my arms warm.
• 34:14
  SPEAKER_01: And I find that like going on stage after doing that is like it's like you show up and you're already warm.
• 34:19
  SPEAKER_01: It's not like it doesn't take four songs to be like, okay, I'm now I'm ready.
• 34:22
  SPEAKER_01: You know, because the top of the set with Alex is like very drum heavy, so I have to be ready like downbeat.
• 34:28
  SPEAKER_00: That's awesome.
• 34:29
  SPEAKER_00: Well, what's on the agenda for the rest of the year, man?
• 34:32
  SPEAKER_00: Is there anything happening that you can tease or you want to talk about that you're excited about?
• 34:36
  SPEAKER_00: What's what's happening?
• 34:38
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, um, I mean, Alex is in full tour mode right now.
• 34:42
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, we just finished the European tour, which was a huge success.
• 34:45
  SPEAKER_01: I think it went really well.
• 34:46
  SPEAKER_01: Everyone had a really good time and the shows were awesome.
• 34:48
  SPEAKER_01: Um, last night it was night one of the US leg that we started at Bridgestone Arena in Nashville.
• 34:54
  SPEAKER_01: Uh Luke Combs actually came on stage and surprised the crowd and sang ordinary with Alex, which is a cool moment.
• 34:59
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't even know it was happening until like the day of like, okay, here we go.
• 35:03
  SPEAKER_01: Playing with Luke Combs today.
• 35:04
  SPEAKER_01: So that was really fun.
• 35:05
  SPEAKER_01: He's a super nice guy.
• 35:06
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I'm sure there will be other guests that happen that I don't even know about.
• 35:11
  SPEAKER_01: But that's that's a fun part about doing stuff at this level.
• 35:14
  SPEAKER_01: It's like, you know, the room, the the the connections get smaller, and like, you know, he can ask, like, hey, does this person want to come up on stage and play with us?
• 35:22
  SPEAKER_01: And it's like, okay, what's happening?
• 35:24
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so yeah, we get we have a US tour that goes through the middle of July.
• 35:28
  SPEAKER_01: So we're about to start like a seven and a half week run, which will be really fun, lots of cool venues.
• 35:33
  SPEAKER_01: And then we have a little break, and then we go to Asia and Australia, and then that takes us through like the middle to the end of September.
• 35:41
  SPEAKER_01: So this year is like pretty stacked with that, which I'm so thankful for.
• 35:46
  SPEAKER_01: Like I love the band, I love the people, and I love the music, and yeah, it's fun, man.
• 35:50
  SPEAKER_01: It's been great.
• 35:51
  SPEAKER_01: And then in the fall, I'll probably just chill.
• 35:53
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, if if something comes across my plate that I want to do, I'll do it.
• 35:56
  SPEAKER_01: But also, like I do a good amount of session work at home.
• 35:59
  SPEAKER_01: I have a little or I had a studio before I moved, but I have another studio that I can use that's a friends, and I really enjoy that too.
• 36:04
  SPEAKER_01: Like playing on people's records is such a different skill set than playing live, and I think they both feed each other.
• 36:11
  SPEAKER_01: So anytime I get to play on records or play songs for recordings, I jump at the opportunity because you know it's a whole nother side of the brain to kind of like get better at engineering and then make, you know, you temper your playing different, you know, for studio stuff than you would for live.
• 36:27
  SPEAKER_01: But yeah, you know, just keeps me sharp.
• 36:28
  SPEAKER_00: Cool.
• 36:29
  SPEAKER_00: Well, Tim, thanks so much for sharing your story, man.
• 36:31
  SPEAKER_00: It's definitely motivating and inspiring.
• 36:34
  SPEAKER_00: And I hope that people can take some knowledge from what you talked about and understand that it is realistic to be in music and it doesn't happen overnight, but through persistence and commitment.
• 36:47
  SPEAKER_00: And at the end of the day, you touched on this just being a good person and a good hang, the word's gonna get out about what you do, whether it's studio work or touring work, and the collective of the ecosystem that it takes to put on a show like this at the level that you're on right now is not only a dream, it's an attainable dream, but you can do it, you can be a big part of that ecosystem.
• 37:09
  SPEAKER_00: Man, it was so good so good to catch up with you, man.
• 37:12
  SPEAKER_00: I appreciate you taking time after the first day of your tour uh to catch up.
• 37:16
  SPEAKER_00: Of course, man.
• 37:17
  SPEAKER_01: I loved it.
• 37:17
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I'm so glad.
• 37:18
  SPEAKER_01: It's so cool that like, you know, after 20 years, like we're still both here.
• 37:21
  SPEAKER_01: We're doing it.
• 37:22
  SPEAKER_01: We're still doing what we love and what we're passionate about.
• 37:24
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm just I'm so thankful that you reached out, man.
• 37:26
  SPEAKER_01: It's been it's been great.
• 37:27
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, well, definitely not the last time we're gonna we're gonna connect.
• 37:29
  SPEAKER_00: I'm definitely gonna come out and see you uh on the road or I'll run into you at a at a at a show or a convention or something if if you go to those.
• 37:36
  SPEAKER_00: I haven't been to the NAM show in a in a little bit either.
• 37:38
  SPEAKER_00: I went this past year just to walk the floor and see it, but I look forward to seeing you in person again at some point soon, man.
• 37:45
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, dude, we gotta have you out to a show.
• 37:46
  SPEAKER_01: Look at the schedule and pick one and we'll make it happen.
• 37:49
  SPEAKER_00: All right, man.
• 37:49
  SPEAKER_00: Well, thanks again, Tim.
• 37:51
  SPEAKER_00: And uh everybody go check out Alex Warren on tour.
• 37:53
  SPEAKER_00: Tim's behind the drums.
• 37:55
  SPEAKER_00: Go check him out on social media.
• 37:57
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and yeah, Adobe Radio, thank you so much for hosting Loyal to the Craft.
• 38:01
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• 38:05
  SPEAKER_00: That's where it all starts.
• 38:06
  SPEAKER_00: Fuel the habit and support local independent musicians chasing their dreams.
• 38:10
  SPEAKER_00: We'll see you guys out there.