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Normally Podcast: Trump Reappeared. Now Let’s Talk CDC Turmoil & Declining Birth Rates · Normally

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Speaker 1: Hey, guys, you are back up the show with normal,
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Speaker 1: which takes the winds and news gets weird.
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Speaker 2: I am Mary caser Camp and I am Carol Markowitz.
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Speaker 2: How was your labor a weekend, Mary Katsman, It's been
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Speaker 2: pretty good.
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Speaker 3: I got to get up to New York and host the.
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Speaker 1: Big weekend show on thoughts, and you know what, the
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Speaker 1: big weekend show is big, and it has a lot
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Speaker 1: of topics.
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Speaker 3: And.
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Speaker 2: So you know a lot of things.
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Speaker 1: Now. Well, either that or my brain is just fried
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Speaker 1: from having known a lot of things. And now I've
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Speaker 1: moved on from those like cramming for a test, right,
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Speaker 1: So I got to hand it to New York this time.
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Speaker 1: It's like sixty five degrees outside and gorgeous.
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Speaker 2: New York does end of summer early fall very very well.
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Speaker 2: It gets called very quickly.
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Speaker 1: Though.
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Speaker 2: I'm not one of those autumn girls at all, so.
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Speaker 1: I'm a summer gal as well. It's superior season. I
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Speaker 1: like September because it's mostly summer with is like.
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Speaker 4: A touch of fall a here for it, not in Florida,
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Speaker 4: but yes, I seem to recall that's how it went elsewhere.
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Speaker 2: Yes, Well, the big story over.
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Speaker 4: The weekend was somehow is Trump dead? And it started
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Speaker 4: with a tweet and I'm still going to call it
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Speaker 4: tweet even though it's excuse what else are we calling it?
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Speaker 4: From Laura Rosen and she said Trump has no public
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Speaker 4: events scheduled all weekend. Don't believe he was seen today either,
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Speaker 4: and then she followed up not seen yesterday either, and
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Speaker 4: then she quoted a White House pool reporter saying the
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Speaker 4: pool did not see the president today. Quote, we have
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Speaker 4: a travel photoed as a five seventeen PM pool did
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Speaker 4: not physically see the president today.
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Speaker 2: This blew so out of proportion. It really got me thinking.
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Speaker 4: First of all, Biden was missing for days at a
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Speaker 4: time and no one cared a time was he even here?
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Speaker 2: Like is he actually president? And we still don't really know.
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Speaker 2: Trump is gone for a few days, not even a
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Speaker 2: few days. It's Labor Day weekend, He's gone for Friday
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Speaker 2: and Thursday. And people absolutely lost their mind. At the
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Speaker 2: end of basically this hoopla.
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Speaker 4: Laura updated that Trump on Saturday was with his granddaughter
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Speaker 4: Kai Trump. They were going to go golfing in Virginia.
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Speaker 4: And then she also said that a Daily Caller reporter,
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Speaker 4: Reagan Reese, had been with Trump on the Friday where
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Speaker 4: she had originally reported that nobody had seen him.
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Speaker 2: Ultimately, she said, my two cents.
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Speaker 4: When I noted at the top the Trump did not
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Speaker 4: have public events on the long weekend schedule and had
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Speaker 4: not been seen for a few days, I did not
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Speaker 4: know what it meant, if anything, maybe getting some sort
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Speaker 4: of medical at tension, maybe something else, maybe nothing. Sometimes
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Speaker 4: one only finds out later.
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Speaker 3: What was going on.
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Speaker 4: But for someone who likes to always be on TV,
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Speaker 4: et cetera, this absence seemed worth noting. It genuinely never
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Speaker 4: occurred to me that anyone would think he was not alive,
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Speaker 4: And when started to see the volume of responses to
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Speaker 4: that effect, I felt like it was a bystander to
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Speaker 4: whatever was driving that virality. In any case, it is
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Speaker 4: obvious today from photos of him going to his golf
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Speaker 4: club with his grandchildren he is still functional.
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Speaker 2: Still fair to say there.
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Speaker 4: Is something sort of limited about his visibility in these photos,
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Speaker 4: and his grandchildren more discreet witnesses to his demeanor than
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Speaker 4: his sometimes weekend golfing partners say, like Lindsey Graham, still.
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Speaker 2: Wonder if he's had some sort of medical procedure or something.
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Speaker 3: I don't know.
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Speaker 2: This was insane and I don't know what to make
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Speaker 2: of it. People were absolutely losing their minds. What did
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Speaker 2: you see now?
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Speaker 1: It escalated very quickly, and I don't think Rosen is
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Speaker 1: wrong for pointing out, Okay, he's sort of weirdly out
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Speaker 1: of the spotlight for a couple of days.
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Speaker 3: That is true. Now you should probably note in that
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Speaker 3: tweet it is a holiday weekend. Yeah, he may have
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Speaker 3: some plans, but it's okay.
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Speaker 2: To take a day or two off you are president. Now,
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Speaker 2: I think the other guy took months off.
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Speaker 1: I know, like the diversion from the norm I think
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Speaker 1: is noteworthy and could possibly be a news.
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Speaker 3: Story, right, sure, But I think she didn't count on her.
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Speaker 1: Followers because liberals and blue sky liberals in general being
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Speaker 1: this insane, and they have been obsessing for quite some
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Speaker 1: time about his health.
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Speaker 3: Right.
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Speaker 1: And look, I think, as I've said, I think that
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Speaker 1: the White House should be transparent and up from about
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Speaker 1: the president's health situation.
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Speaker 3: It was notably very not for four years.
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Speaker 1: And if Trump is in bad health, they should be
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Speaker 1: telling people what's going on now that the left tweeters
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Speaker 1: and blue skyers have been chasing down pictures of him
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Speaker 1: looking unstable or sick.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, but we see him all the time.
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Speaker 4: It's like, you can't chase down those pictures with this
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Speaker 4: administration because we see Trump all the time.
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Speaker 1: Well, and he had given a three hour cabinet meeting
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Speaker 1: presser like days before. Anyway, they've been chasing this for
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Speaker 1: a long time. There is this idea that he is
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Speaker 1: like gravely ill and that and that he's going to
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Speaker 1: keel over at any minute. First of all, he's in
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Speaker 1: his late seventies. Okay, he likely has some health issues
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Speaker 1: that just are part of being in your late seventies. Sure,
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Speaker 1: but game this out for me, Carol, the people who
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Speaker 1: are really we're so excited that President Trump might be dead.
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Speaker 1: First of all, it's classless to do that. It's classless
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Speaker 1: to do it with Obama or Biden or whomever. Second
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Speaker 1: of all, how does that work.
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Speaker 3: Out for them?
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Speaker 2: Who becomes president?
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Speaker 1: President Vance is quite clearly the successor in the Constitution,
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Speaker 1: and maybe they're not well read up on that. So
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Speaker 1: he becomes the president. He is capable, he is young,
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Speaker 1: He then has several years of presidential experience going in
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Speaker 1: to twenty twenty eight.
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Speaker 2: I just how is this better for them?
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Speaker 3: How is this better for you?
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Speaker 1: And you've lost your chief villain, who is the person
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Speaker 1: who keeps your base very excited, motivated, or worse.
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Speaker 3: I don't get it. Why are you'll excited?
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Speaker 2: It makes no sense. It really makes no sense.
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Speaker 4: And I also say, we talk a lot on here
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Speaker 4: about not losing friends over politics or acquaintances even over politics.
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Speaker 4: But some of the gross posts I saw on Facebook
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Speaker 4: in the last few days of people.
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Speaker 2: I know, I don't know, I'm I was like, do
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Speaker 2: I do?
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Speaker 4: Is this where I defriend people? It's not going to
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Speaker 4: be over policy disagreement. It's going to be over your
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Speaker 4: a really bad person who is rooting for the death
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Speaker 4: of a father and grandfather.
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Speaker 2: I just I could never do that.
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Speaker 4: I could, like, I try to imagine, like whose death
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Speaker 4: I would root for it.
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Speaker 2: I don't know. Terrorists literally, terrorists are all I.
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Speaker 3: Could come up with.
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Speaker 2: And exactly it's just like, I don't know.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm the same people who wish for his death
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Speaker 1: are very happy to be angry that terrorists are killed.
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Speaker 1: So funny, they got it flipped.
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Speaker 3: They got it flipped.
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Speaker 4: They really do.
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Speaker 2: Don't root for people's deaths. People like I get.
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Speaker 4: It, you feel strongly and you hate people in the
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Speaker 4: public eye, there's still people and it's wrong.
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Speaker 2: It's wrong, and.
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Speaker 4: It's not going to hurt them, it's going to hurt you.
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Speaker 4: You become a worse person of course, or person. It's
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Speaker 4: not about going low when you know, going high when
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Speaker 4: they go low, or any of that.
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Speaker 2: It's about you.
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Speaker 4: Being a human who travels through this life being a
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Speaker 4: good person, and that's really the goal here. Don't root
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Speaker 4: for the death of anyone.
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Speaker 1: Also, since the beginning of my doing this job, the
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Speaker 1: online left has been quite obvious and enthusiastic about wishing
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Speaker 1: the death of its political adversaries.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and the.
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Speaker 1: Online right has many of many, many problems men, But
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Speaker 1: it has struck me for twenty years doing this that
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Speaker 1: the left is very enthusiastic about wishing these kinds of things,
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Speaker 1: very obvious about it. Sort of gets a pass because
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Speaker 1: they have a lot of allies in the media when
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Speaker 1: they are badly behaved this way. But it's bad form,
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Speaker 1: it's bad form. Just don't do it. Don't do don't
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Speaker 1: do assassination fetishism, don't do wishing that politans are dead.
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Speaker 1: It's bad news. So he remains with us. He's playing golf,
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Speaker 1: and we will keep you updated on his health as
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Speaker 1: things move forward.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't wait to hear how his golf game
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Speaker 2: was this weekend.
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Speaker 4: Honestly, I feel like he's going to have a lot
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Speaker 4: to stay.
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Speaker 1: He generally has a lot to say, So back to
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Speaker 1: it soon, I'm sure up next on normally, we're going
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Speaker 1: to take a quick break and we will be back
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Speaker 1: with a CDC dust up.
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Speaker 3: Alrighty, there is a.
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Speaker 1: Big change going on at the Center for Disease Control.
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Speaker 1: There was, of course, a clap out for those who
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Speaker 1: are leaving in protest. There's a handful of people who
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Speaker 1: are leaving because the CDC director who was just put
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Speaker 1: in place about a month ago. CDC Director Suzanne Manarez,
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Speaker 1: was asked to leave. She got in a little back
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Speaker 1: and forth with RFK, who is the head of HIGs,
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Speaker 1: because she didn't believe he had the power to fire her,
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Speaker 1: which I think is actually accurate. I think the president
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Speaker 1: has to fire her at any rate.
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Speaker 3: They went back and forth.
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Speaker 1: A couple of other people resigned in protest because the
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Speaker 1: newly placed CDC director was being let go. And now
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Speaker 1: you have a lot of New York Times stories along
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Speaker 1: the lines of can the CDC survive.
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Speaker 3: How a big deal?
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Speaker 4: Right?
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Speaker 1: We have many thoughts about the CDC, But how big
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Speaker 1: a deal do we think this shakeup is?
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Speaker 2: In real life?
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Speaker 4: Not a big deal in the media world, the biggest
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Speaker 4: deal that has ever dealt ever, And that really is
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Speaker 4: the divide between what is going on in our press
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Speaker 4: and what is going on in people's lives. I wrote
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Speaker 4: a piece, you know, several years ago now, and the CDC,
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Speaker 4: their performance during COVID was atrocious and the fact is
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Speaker 4: we could have done better without having a cd see
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Speaker 4: during the worst time, the only time that we've ever.
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Speaker 2: Needed the CDC.
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Speaker 1: And you know, and it's actually true, that's actually true
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Speaker 1: if you had removed me from them entirely.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, look, I you know, we've talked about it
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Speaker 4: on here, But before the pandemic, I wasn't like an
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Speaker 4: anti CDC person. I wasn't an anti public health official.
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Speaker 4: I just saw that in a time where we needed
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Speaker 4: them to perform, they absolutely failed.
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Speaker 2: And then why do we need them? So these firings
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Speaker 2: or resignations, force resignations don't bother me at all. I
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Speaker 2: think a lot of these people deserve it.
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Speaker 4: And they're anti science largely we'll get into one of
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Speaker 4: the cases in particular.
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Speaker 2: But yeah, the fact that the media is so angry about.
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Speaker 4: It does not make it a real story, does not
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Speaker 4: make it important in people's lives.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I should note that the sky is falling. Will
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Speaker 1: the CDC survive? Piece is written by a poor Vamende
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Speaker 1: Villi who is a famous liar and dupe.
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Speaker 3: And she is covid era.
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Speaker 1: She is the New York Times Health public health reporter.
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Speaker 3: She's very, very bad.
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Speaker 1: So awful that all should be taken with a grain
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Speaker 1: of salt. I will say.
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Speaker 4: I'll just say to people listening, look up a porva
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Speaker 4: plus corrections on Google and enjoy your time looking at
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Speaker 4: her work.
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Speaker 3: If you've got a lot of time.
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Speaker 1: No, I agree with you that, And I think the
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Speaker 1: way you put it about the CDC is helpful because
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Speaker 1: I think you're right that basically, without them, we would
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Speaker 1: have done a better job during the during the pandemic,
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Speaker 1: which is why when the people who resign go on
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Speaker 1: TV and say this will harm people, we will not
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Speaker 1: be prepared for the next outbreak, I say, will it.
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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, what show me where you were prepared for
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Speaker 1: the last outbreak? Show me where you told the truth
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Speaker 1: about the last Outbreak.
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Speaker 3: By the way I bought the hype.
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Speaker 1: I believed the movie Outbreak that the CDC was full
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Speaker 1: of geniuses right, and it indeed might be in parts.
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Speaker 3: But what I saw of the CDC was a bunch
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Speaker 3: of lies, a bunch of.
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Speaker 1: Ideologically driven, propatized ye a bunch of politicized terrible advice.
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Speaker 1: And my friend Kelly from Georgia, who is a mom
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Speaker 1: who's good at math, flagging the CDC for messing up
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Speaker 1: basic statistics regularly and saying, hey, I need you guys
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Speaker 1: to fix this, and eventually they would never giving credit
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Speaker 1: to the mom in Georgia who's correcting them.
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Speaker 3: Can we put her in the shakeup somewhere exactly?
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Speaker 4: Her handle on X is Kelly with an E y
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Speaker 4: kg A must follow.
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Speaker 1: Yes, So that's what I saw during the pandemic. And
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Speaker 1: then one of the guys who has now left, so
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Speaker 1: this is Dimitri Daslacis. I believe he was in charge
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Speaker 1: of the monkey pocks response after COVID and this was
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Speaker 1: the first time I ever heard of this eyes when
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Speaker 1: I saw this clip telling us how we should deal
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Speaker 1: with monkey pocks and see if you can find a
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Speaker 1: slight difference between the way that it's treated pay closed
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Speaker 1: and it's treated.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I work in HIV normally, and I'll tell you that.
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Speaker 5: You know, I always say that I've never made an
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Speaker 5: HIV diagnosis, and someone that hasn't somehow related to stigma.
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Speaker 5: I think mpox is the same. So really, stigma tends
13:23
Speaker 5: to be a barrier to testing, a barrier to vaccination,
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Speaker 5: and so you know, really addressing stigma intentionally and making
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Speaker 5: sure that we get the word out in a way
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Speaker 5: that supports people's joy as opposed to you know, calling
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Speaker 5: them risky. So I think, you know, one of the
13:38
Speaker 5: things to think about is that, you know, one person's
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Speaker 5: idea of risk is another person's idea of a great
13:43
Speaker 5: festival or Friday night for that matter. So we have
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Speaker 5: to sort of embrace that with joy and make sure
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Speaker 5: that folks know how to keep themselves safe.
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Speaker 3: So let me just.
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Speaker 1: During a monkey Pock's outbreak, which is a sexually transmitted infection,
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Speaker 1: we are going to do harmard and value group sex
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Speaker 1: as a place.
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Speaker 2: Of joy, something you just have to have sometimes.
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Speaker 3: But during COVID, yeah, we're going to.
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Speaker 1: Shut schools for the least at risk population and churches
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Speaker 1: and churches and tell you that there is no joy
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Speaker 1: in a backyard barbecue and we will be having none
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Speaker 1: of that.
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Speaker 4: And seeing your family is just not that important. Yes,
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Speaker 4: having group sex on a Friday night that you need,
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Speaker 4: but seeing grandma less, you know.
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Speaker 3: Prevalent or that's not a joy we need to honor.
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Speaker 1: So that's the first time I heard of this guy
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Speaker 1: when the monkey Pocks outbreak happened, and so I shed
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Speaker 1: few tears for his exit, and he also referred to
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Speaker 1: pregnant people in his exit resignation letter. And then he's
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Speaker 1: gone on, Like I will say, look, doctor Mark Siegel,
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Speaker 1: who is a Fox News contributor who did the big
14:53
Speaker 1: weekend show with me last night, said this guy has
14:56
Speaker 1: been good at things, working in HIV and working in
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Speaker 1: infectious diseases, and he's, oh, okay, fine, that may be
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Speaker 1: the case. He is the worst, absolute worst spokesperson for
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Speaker 1: telling me why he should be at the CDC because
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Speaker 1: he is doing every other political story he can get
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Speaker 1: his hands on, talking about transitions, talking about stuff that
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Speaker 1: has nothing to do with what he's allegedly good at,
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Speaker 1: and that makes me think that he did a lot
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Speaker 1: of that on the job.
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Speaker 4: Exactly, you know. I look, maybe Mark is right, but
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Speaker 4: I don't care. I don't care because somebody who thinks
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Speaker 4: that there can be pregnant non women is not somebody
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Speaker 4: we want in positions of medical authority in this country.
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Speaker 4: And that's really what it keeps coming down to. If
15:37
Speaker 4: we have ideologues on the right that push a political
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Speaker 4: message in health organizations, like blatant political messaging, I think
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Speaker 4: the left would understand what the problem is, but because
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Speaker 4: it's their own messaging, they literally can't see what the
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Speaker 4: issue is.
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Speaker 2: So what pregnant people? Why can't we say pregnant people? Well,
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Speaker 2: because women are the only ones who can get pregnant.
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Speaker 2: That's why. That's why you can't say pregnant people.
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Speaker 4: And again, don't feel at all sorry for him. I
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Speaker 4: think that this is a case of you flew too
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Speaker 4: close to the sun. You wanted to be a political actor.
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Speaker 4: Now you are a political actor, You're on all the shows.
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Speaker 4: Congratulations to you, but you can no longer have the
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Speaker 4: medical job right.
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Speaker 1: I will say this about reshaping the CDC, I think
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Speaker 1: that Trump has a great opportunity to rebuild trust in
16:24
Speaker 1: public health. RFK Junior was obviously a very controversial pick.
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Speaker 1: I understood that he needed leeway for that. Do I
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Speaker 1: think he's the best pick?
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Speaker 3: I don't like you.
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Speaker 1: And I have talked about how we prefer Marty McCarey,
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Speaker 1: how we like Jay Vadicharia, how we like Vene Pissad,
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Speaker 1: who was put back in his position.
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Speaker 3: I appreciate that.
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Speaker 1: There is an opportunity to staff with people who were
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Speaker 1: smart during the pandemic, who spoke up and were brave
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Speaker 1: about it, who are critical thinkers.
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Speaker 2: And to do it their background, to do it in.
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Speaker 3: An orderly way. And my concern is on again, we
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Speaker 3: have a staffing dust up that is.
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Speaker 1: Like, this woman was just put in place by you
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Speaker 1: guys a month ago. By the way, all the Democrats
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Speaker 1: on the Hill who didn't vote for her are now like,
17:09
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, she's amazing.
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Speaker 3: We must have here.
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Speaker 2: No, yeah, but.
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Speaker 1: Like, who's in charge, who's making the decisions? How are
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Speaker 1: you remaking this organization? Let's think about that and do
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Speaker 1: it well. Because I believe that you're up against some
17:23
Speaker 1: bad forces. I believe that many of these people should go.
17:26
Speaker 1: I would like you to see it. I would like
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Speaker 1: to see it done in a way that makes me
17:29
Speaker 1: feel confident about where you're headed.
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Speaker 4: That's right, Let's follow Mary Catherine's plan.
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Speaker 3: One more note.
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Speaker 1: You and I looked this up because we couldn't quite
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Speaker 1: remember what happened, But two FDA officials who specialized in
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Speaker 1: vaccines left during the ongoing discussion of COVID vaccines and
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Speaker 1: the somewhat controversial issuing of mandates to young people, particularly
17:54
Speaker 1: young men who were getting my card artists, we know
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Speaker 1: that health officials hid real facts about the efficacy of
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Speaker 1: the COVID vaccine. They hid the risks to young men
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Speaker 1: for myocharditis when they knew about it.
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Speaker 3: Two of those folks resigned, and somehow that wasn't a
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Speaker 3: big story.
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Speaker 1: It was just like, I guess these I guess these
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Speaker 1: people just aren't interested in public health and we'll move
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Speaker 1: on without the peak of their kind of importance.
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Speaker 4: They just didn't want to be there anymore for some reason.
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Speaker 4: Nobody knows why.
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Speaker 3: Nobody knows why.
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Speaker 1: And when it comes to discussing vaccines, which we're going
18:29
Speaker 1: to be doing, and I think RFK has some bad
18:31
Speaker 1: ideas on because like much of the research on the
18:35
Speaker 1: on the autism vaccine front was explicitly faked by a
18:40
Speaker 1: guy and I know that the data was faked by him,
18:42
Speaker 1: So I don't I don't like that being part of
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Speaker 1: the discussion.
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Speaker 3: Do I want to have a discussion?
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Speaker 1: Sure, go ahead, right, but again, lefties have to just
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Speaker 1: erase the entire last five years to tell you that
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Speaker 1: the CDC and the FDA and ACIP, which is the
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Speaker 1: vaccine group that approves everything, they're doing just a peachy
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Speaker 1: keen job, right.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, they just want to get to like the best
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Speaker 4: health outcomes. There's no political anything going on there.
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Speaker 1: No no no like as our good friend Political Math
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Speaker 1: with Shapiro notes on Twitter, the experts at ACIP in particular,
19:17
Speaker 1: that was supposed to be the independent group that reviews vaccines,
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Speaker 1: they allowed themselves to get bullied by a deceitful CDC
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Speaker 1: in the Biden administration. They recommended an untested vaccine booster
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Speaker 1: against their better judgment and allowed the CDC in the
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Speaker 1: Biden administration to box them into the corner. There are
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Speaker 1: consequences for that, and sometimes that looks like an overhaul
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Speaker 1: at your agency, like.
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Speaker 2: The Sorry, not that Sorry.
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Speaker 4: We'll be right back with a story on how conservatives,
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Speaker 4: those dastardly conservatives, trick the liberals into not having children?
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Speaker 2: How dare we marry Catherine?
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Speaker 3: We have amazing powers.
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Speaker 2: Be right back. We're back on normally. We're A columnist
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Speaker 2: and chief data.
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Speaker 4: Reporter at the Financial Times, John Byrne Murdoch had a
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Speaker 4: thread over the last few days where he said that
20:07
Speaker 4: progressives need to start talking about the birth rate problem.
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Speaker 4: His original tweet said, for all the talk of a
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Speaker 4: general fallen berths, the drop is overwhelmingly driven by people
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Speaker 4: on the left having fewer kids. By seating the topic
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Speaker 4: of family and children to the right, progressives risks ushering
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Speaker 4: in a more conservative world.
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Speaker 2: Now. First of all, we all saw this coming like.
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Speaker 4: This is insanely not news, And the fact that the
20:34
Speaker 4: left is just realizing this is another tell that they
20:37
Speaker 4: don't listen to us at all, So it could not
20:39
Speaker 4: have been us talking them into not having children. For
20:42
Speaker 4: years and years, James Toronto at The Wall Street Journal
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Speaker 4: would highlight something called the Row effect, where more people
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Speaker 4: on the left were having abortions, therefore more people on
20:52
Speaker 4: the right were having kids and fewer people on the
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Speaker 4: left were having kids, and that this would inevitably usher
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Speaker 4: in a more conservative populist You don't always follow your parents' politics.
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Speaker 2: Listen. No, I understand that, but you do a lot
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Speaker 2: of the time. And there is definitely a.
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Speaker 4: Correlation between the political opinions of your parents and the
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Speaker 4: political opinions of your kids. So it was coming all along,
21:19
Speaker 4: and the fact that this is now a something that
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Speaker 4: the left is discovering is wild.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, Like, we didn't bring this on you.
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Speaker 2: Guys, right, We tried to make you listen.
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Speaker 1: Well, And that's what Tim Karney, who wrote a great
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Speaker 1: book called Family Unfriendly, that's about during society, American society
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Speaker 1: a little bit more back towards families so that we
21:40
Speaker 1: can help them make it easier to have more children.
21:44
Speaker 1: He noted that, like, I've been talking about Natalia for years, yeah,
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Speaker 1: and policy solutions and inviting the left to have that
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Speaker 1: discussion with me. But the left has really painted itself
21:54
Speaker 1: into a corner because they look at people like me
21:58
Speaker 1: or you who are over replacement level, right, and they
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Speaker 1: say that's irresponsible.
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Speaker 3: They think it's bad.
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Speaker 1: They think they'll say you can't get give enough attention
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Speaker 1: to each child. They'll say that you can't, you're putting
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Speaker 1: a burden on other people by having this many. In fact, no,
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Speaker 1: if you actually want the social programs that you guys want,
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Speaker 1: you have to have my kids someday to be tax
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Speaker 1: fodder for you.
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Speaker 3: So I so just like remember that.
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Speaker 1: But yes, it, of course not every kid becomes whatever
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Speaker 1: political affiliation was. But many kids who are growing up
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Speaker 1: in a three plus kid household, are raised in a faith,
22:36
Speaker 1: are practicing that faith on a regular basis.
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Speaker 3: Are likely to become more right of center than left.
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Speaker 1: Just given that, and that will pay dividends to right
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Speaker 1: leaning candidates in the future.
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Speaker 3: I mean, that's just it. That's just a fact, guys.
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Speaker 2: Just a fact.
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Speaker 4: His last tweet in the thread originally said the greatest
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Speaker 4: trick right ever pulled was convincing the left that talking
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Speaker 4: about families and children is conservative coded. He, to his credit,
23:07
Speaker 4: changed that last tweet to I fear many progressives have
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Speaker 4: convinced themselves that talking about families and children is conservative coded.
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Speaker 2: Because that's actually what happened.
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Speaker 4: We were like, guys, everybody should be having more children,
23:20
Speaker 4: and I have to admit at some point a few
23:22
Speaker 4: years ago, I was like, wait, why am I pitching
23:24
Speaker 4: this to progressives Like they're fine, don't have children, what
23:28
Speaker 4: do I care? I don't care. So I did slow
23:31
Speaker 4: down on that, but we did still keep bringing the
23:34
Speaker 4: alarm that we were, you know, getting to the place
23:38
Speaker 4: where we were below replacement rates. It does change the
23:42
Speaker 4: fabric of your country when you're not having enough children.
23:46
Speaker 4: I've seen it happen in other countries, Scotland for example,
23:49
Speaker 4: my beloved Scotland. They're just it is a difference in
23:54
Speaker 4: the way that the country sees itself, the way that
23:56
Speaker 4: they look at their future, the way things that are
23:58
Speaker 4: important to them change because having kids.
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Speaker 2: So who really cares, Yeah.
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Speaker 3: No, it is.
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Speaker 1: Having kids is a gauge for your optimism for the future.
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Speaker 1: And if you're a if you're part of a left
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Speaker 1: leaning group who has a lot of climate anxiety, who
24:12
Speaker 1: is told that it is a certain doom if you
24:16
Speaker 1: bring your children into this world, of course you're going
24:18
Speaker 1: to have fewer them. And anecdotally, I would say it's
24:21
Speaker 1: very clear between and I have a lot of liberal
24:22
Speaker 1: friends and I have a lot of conservative friends. The
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Speaker 1: conservative woman friends in my life, I think over the past,
24:30
Speaker 1: my oldest is twelve. There's one girl group who has
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Speaker 1: had like seventeen children since the time that she was born,
24:38
Speaker 1: or no, not even since she was born, Like in
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Speaker 1: the last seven years, and it's very different with my
24:44
Speaker 1: friends on the left and you know, have one or two,
24:47
Speaker 1: it's just a very different yeah.
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Speaker 4: Right, yeah, have the baby's friends have the babies well.
24:55
Speaker 1: And one more thing as this we've talked about in
24:57
Speaker 1: the past, this demographic part of it, the fact that
25:01
Speaker 1: Democrats were relying on demographics's destiny, right, that is the
25:05
Speaker 1: Obama pitch that like, now, we have a country that
25:09
Speaker 1: is full of it's diverse, and it's full of black
25:13
Speaker 1: and brown people who are never going to vote for Republicans.
25:16
Speaker 1: And then Trump went and made an argument to those
25:18
Speaker 1: people and they started voting for him.
25:20
Speaker 3: So there are several demographic.
25:22
Speaker 1: Fronts that are not going well for Democrats, including one
25:25
Speaker 1: more the twenty thirty census that we've talked about, where
25:28
Speaker 1: the migration to red States is going to change the
25:30
Speaker 1: way that we do the math on the electoral college
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Speaker 1: and the representation in Congress, and that three for.
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Speaker 3: Not great for the left.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, which you know from our perspective over here, you
25:44
Speaker 4: did it to yourselves. And yes, you know, once.
25:47
Speaker 3: Again we didn't trick you.
25:48
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