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Our Starting Place | a conversation with author Kristen Kill · The Wholehearted Enneagram Podcast

• 0:19
  SPEAKER_01: Hi friends, welcome back to the Simply Wholehearted Podcast.
• 0:22
  SPEAKER_01: And if you are new here, we are so glad you joined us.
• 0:25
  SPEAKER_01: Ashley Pittman and I, Amy Wicks, are your hosts of the Simply Wholehearted Podcast.
• 0:30
  SPEAKER_01: We believe we are all on a journey to live out the mission to love the Lord our God with all our heart, mind, and spirit.
• 0:37
  SPEAKER_01: Our mission is to inspire and equip you to live more unplugged, purposeful, and intentional in every season of life.
• 0:43
  SPEAKER_01: And we do this by sharing stories of friends new and old alike who are living out their calling and purpose with passion.
• 0:51
  SPEAKER_01: You may notice that we have our second season's music back to open our time together.
• 0:55
  SPEAKER_01: Our friends from Inner the Worship Circle, Ben Pasley and Carla Adolf, have been so kind to share their song Heavenly Things from their album Down Here and Up Above.
• 1:05
  SPEAKER_01: Be sure and follow them for their latest releases and profound thoughts at Inertheworship Circle.com.
• 1:11
  SPEAKER_01: So this is our first episode of season three, and we are excited to also be launching our three weeks to New Year at all our favorite social media hangouts.
• 1:21
  SPEAKER_01: The six other fantastic women from the Unseen Journey group are back together.
• 1:26
  SPEAKER_01: We are taking three weeks to dive into our individual stories and insights to how we begin each new year.
• 1:33
  SPEAKER_01: So often we approach New Year's Day, B Day, with the thought that we should have it all figured out.
• 1:38
  SPEAKER_01: Amazing life-changing resolutions, these words other people seem to be talked about, and even scripture, which right to make it, you know, look super spiritual and back it up.
• 1:48
  SPEAKER_01: But really, it's a lot of pressure for one day.
• 1:51
  SPEAKER_01: And this is often just getting back from lots of travel celebrations, and we've really expended and depleted ourselves in so many different ways.
• 2:01
  SPEAKER_01: So we're thinking, what if instead we allow ourselves time to ease into the new year?
• 2:06
  SPEAKER_01: Giving ourselves to prayer and fasting, quiet spaces to wait on the Lord for his word for a year, and maybe even allowing ourselves to sit a while to dream his dreams.
• 2:16
  SPEAKER_01: So we are inviting you to join us for three weeks into New Year.
• 2:20
  SPEAKER_01: Three weeks of learning and perhaps to try fasting, listening prayer, finding your word, and how to make your dream happen this next year.
• 2:28
  SPEAKER_01: We hope to have you follow along with us, asking your questions, sharing your testimonies, and your words you'll be discovering these next few weeks.
• 2:38
  SPEAKER_01: We sure loved our Christmas season episodes, and if you need to get a chance to listen to those, be sure and take time to catch up with each one of our guests.
• 2:47
  SPEAKER_01: They all had so much to share outside of the holiday season.
• 2:50
  SPEAKER_01: I hate for you to miss a single one of our inspiring stories.
• 2:54
  SPEAKER_01: Most of them have additional music you might want to add to your playlist for the new year, or maybe a book to add to your 2018 book list.
• 3:02
  SPEAKER_01: So today's guest is Kristen Kill.
• 3:05
  SPEAKER_01: You may have heard her name before as she is the co-host for Sally Clarkson's podcast at Home with Sally.
• 3:10
  SPEAKER_01: She is truly as sweet as she sounds, authentic, kind, and really lives her newest book message well.
• 3:17
  SPEAKER_01: She has her heart and hands full with five kids whom she homeschools.
• 3:22
  SPEAKER_01: She keeps house just like you and I do and is always trying new recipes.
• 3:26
  SPEAKER_01: And she is one who I would say lives her ordinary days in extraordinary ways.
• 3:32
  SPEAKER_01: And you can tell it was hard for us to stop chatting.
• 3:35
  SPEAKER_01: We talked about everything from life, writing, her new book, and we went way longer than planned, but every minute was so good.
• 3:43
  SPEAKER_01: I really had a hard time figuring out what to edit and what to keep.
• 3:46
  SPEAKER_01: So I know you're gonna want to get her new book, Finding Sayla, which just released this Tuesday the 9th.
• 3:52
  SPEAKER_01: I finally have one as well, and I got an extra copy to give away next week.
• 3:56
  SPEAKER_01: So this is the perfect time to read her book as you set the tone of easing into your new year.
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  SPEAKER_01: She writes and she shares stories from the perspective of one who lives transformed by the delight of the father.
• 4:08
  SPEAKER_01: Be sure and stay tuned after our conversation for some exciting details about the giveaway and our 2018 guest lineup.
• 4:15
  SPEAKER_01: It's so exciting! Now here's our conversation with Kristen Kill.
• 4:23
  unknown: How are you doing?
• 4:24
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, I was wondering then, okay, so since we made the Sarah Hagerty connection, how did you meet Sarah?
• 4:30
  SPEAKER_01: How did you get introduced to her?
• 4:32
  SPEAKER_00: We met through writer friends.
• 4:34
  SPEAKER_00: No way, okay.
• 4:35
  SPEAKER_00: So like um we both write for Gendarmin.
• 4:38
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 4:39
  SPEAKER_00: And then I think that um we met at a loom.
• 4:44
  SPEAKER_00: We were both speakers at the last one.
• 4:47
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, yeah, I think she mentioned that.
• 4:49
  SPEAKER_00: Right, yeah, right.
• 4:50
  SPEAKER_00: And then we met through our friend Logan Wolfram, who's close friends with both of us, and it kind of looped us in to get to know each other.
• 5:01
  SPEAKER_00: But I'm trying to remember, I don't even know how we got connected on Voxer, but that's really where we hang out.
• 5:09
  SPEAKER_00: Like that's awesome.
• 5:10
  SPEAKER_00: We give each other like 10-minute messages every few days.
• 5:13
  SPEAKER_00: It takes a couple days to like listen back to them.
• 5:17
  SPEAKER_00: I know that she listens when she goes walking in the morning.
• 5:19
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I listen when I'm in my car, and we just kind of keep in touch that way.
• 5:24
  SPEAKER_00: It's so great.
• 5:25
  SPEAKER_01: I Voxer has changed my life for the better.
• 5:28
  SPEAKER_00: That is one of those that is like, yay, thank you.
• 5:32
  SPEAKER_00: Because another author friend, um, I don't know, you I'm sure you know who Sarah Mae Hoover is.
• 5:39
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 5:39
  SPEAKER_00: She just joined, she's like teaching Sunday school at her church.
• 5:43
  SPEAKER_00: And she asked everyone that's on the Sunday school team with her if they would want to have a boxer group, like just to keep up to date.
• 5:52
  SPEAKER_00: And all the young people were like, isn't that like just for moms?
• 6:00
  SPEAKER_00: And I was like, stop.
• 6:02
  SPEAKER_00: So she's like, so we're like the middle eight, this is our middle mom.
• 6:06
  SPEAKER_00: No.
• 6:07
  SPEAKER_00: That's how I keep in touch with all my friends long distance.
• 6:10
  SPEAKER_00: I know.
• 6:11
  SPEAKER_00: It's and even even a good friend from college who's not a writer, like that's how we keep in touch because she doesn't have a smartphone.
• 6:18
  SPEAKER_00: She has a flip phone and she doesn't want to have a smartphone, and so she can do it from her computer because instead of texting and oh yeah, it's amazing.
• 6:26
  SPEAKER_01: No, and it's yeah, it's really wonderful.
• 6:28
  SPEAKER_01: In fact, I mean it's been wonderful for friends, but that's changed the dynamic between um my family lives in a different state, and so we've a sister started a group with my mom and my so I have two sisters and my mom, and um, my mom's in a position in life where she's taking care of her mom who has Alzheimer's, but she also works full-time.
• 6:49
  SPEAKER_01: And so it's yeah, it's intense.
• 6:52
  SPEAKER_01: And so already she struggled with keeping in touch long distance.
• 6:57
  SPEAKER_00: But I'm so sorry, I'm yawning.
• 6:59
  SPEAKER_00: I'm totally interested in it.
• 7:00
  SPEAKER_00: No, you're fine, you're fine.
• 7:02
  SPEAKER_00: Like I'm kicking coffee for health reasons, and so I'm like, Oh, I'm so sorry.
• 7:08
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, I'm so sorry.
• 7:08
  SPEAKER_01: No, I know.
• 7:09
  SPEAKER_01: I totally in the carboul line, I have my coffee.
• 7:13
  SPEAKER_01: So I get it.
• 7:15
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's such a great thing though for family too.
• 7:18
  SPEAKER_00: I've tried to get my mom on it, and she's we do group texts a lot, which is great.
• 7:23
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 7:24
  SPEAKER_00: I just love it for voices and sharing stories.
• 7:27
  SPEAKER_00: And I have a writer group actually that is on Boxer.
• 7:31
  SPEAKER_00: There's okay, let me think.
• 7:33
  SPEAKER_00: There's one, two, there's six of us that are in it.
• 7:38
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, that's awesome.
• 7:39
  SPEAKER_00: We talk every day.
• 7:40
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, every day we're in there, even if it some days I'll look because I'm the only one on the Pacific Coast.
• 7:46
  SPEAKER_00: Uh-huh.
• 7:46
  SPEAKER_00: So they're all East Coast.
• 7:48
  SPEAKER_00: Everyone, I think one's in Texas, but everybody else is like boxing them at midnight, right?
• 7:54
  SPEAKER_00: Well, no, I wake up at seven and it's 10 o'clock for some of them.
• 7:58
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah.
• 7:58
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm like 37 messages, like or 87 messages or whatever.
• 8:04
  SPEAKER_00: Some of them are just like lol or sure, sure.
• 8:07
  SPEAKER_00: So great for groups.
• 8:08
  SPEAKER_01: It's a big thing.
• 8:09
  SPEAKER_01: It is, I know.
• 8:10
  SPEAKER_00: I do it's how I do life.
• 8:12
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's I need to do a podcast unboxer because it's just really good.
• 8:16
  unknown: It is.
• 8:17
  SPEAKER_00: And I think I think that there's like the sweetness of the phone and the ease of text in one.
• 8:24
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 8:24
  SPEAKER_00: There's not a rule.
• 8:26
  SPEAKER_00: Like when I get a text message now, I feel like I have to respond the way I used to have to pick up the phone and respond.
• 8:31
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 8:32
  SPEAKER_00: Call someone back.
• 8:33
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 8:33
  SPEAKER_00: Like I don't vo I don't even listen to my voicemail anymore.
• 8:36
  SPEAKER_00: Like, phone rules are changed have changed.
• 8:38
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 8:39
  SPEAKER_00: But boxer still gives you that flexibility to like plug in when you can.
• 8:43
  SPEAKER_00: If you really need someone to listen to your box, then you text them and say, Yes, listen to my box.
• 8:48
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
• 8:49
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
• 8:50
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah.
• 8:51
  SPEAKER_01: It's so great.
• 8:52
  SPEAKER_01: I know when I actually have to call someone back and play the phone tag game, I'm like, ah, everyone needs boxer, so I can just leave my message and I know you'll listen to it.
• 9:02
  SPEAKER_00: Because I was like, I can't keep up with the email, like all the back and forth for schedules, or like who do I need to return something to?
• 9:10
  SPEAKER_00: And totally stressed out by that.
• 9:12
  SPEAKER_00: Like in my normal life.
• 9:14
  SPEAKER_00: Yep.
• 9:14
  SPEAKER_00: I just want her to do that for everything.
• 9:16
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 9:18
  SPEAKER_00: She doesn't, but I'm getting I might ask her to.
• 9:21
  SPEAKER_01: So how do you how did you get your assistant?
• 9:23
  SPEAKER_01: And that sounds like it's been helpful because she's you're having like seven five podcasts this week.
• 9:28
  SPEAKER_00: She had a good friend die last week.
• 9:31
  SPEAKER_00: Oh no.
• 9:32
  SPEAKER_00: She was out of the office, and that's how we missed you last week.
• 9:36
  SPEAKER_00: That we normally, we normally um anything that Zonarvin has for me or that I have coming on, I just she's CC'd on everything.
• 9:44
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 9:45
  SPEAKER_00: And her job is truly, I mean, she does some other things too, but for the most part, she just looks at everything in the dates and makes sure it will mash up and then creates a schedule for me.
• 9:55
  SPEAKER_00: That's awesome.
• 9:58
  SPEAKER_00: And she says, Here's what you have this week.
• 10:01
  SPEAKER_00: And um, you know, make sure you've checked your calendar.
• 10:04
  SPEAKER_00: Do you understand you have this, this, this?
• 10:06
  SPEAKER_00: Or she'll text me and say, Hey, you have this article, do you have this interview?
• 10:11
  SPEAKER_00: Are you ready for these things?
• 10:12
  SPEAKER_00: I need these assets from you.
• 10:13
  SPEAKER_00: So she kind of runs me that way.
• 10:16
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 10:16
  SPEAKER_00: Um and so she was out of the office for like four days because of that.
• 10:21
  SPEAKER_00: Like, I mean, just normally she only works a couple, I mean, maybe five to seven hours a week, but not much more.
• 10:28
  SPEAKER_00: Really, really light.
• 10:30
  SPEAKER_00: And um, but she'll check in the email every day, you know, and just put that up.
• 10:35
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 10:36
  SPEAKER_00: And so when we hadn't connected, then it I just totally dropped them all and didn't look in her email like I should have last week.
• 10:43
  SPEAKER_00: But it yeah, hard stuff.
• 10:45
  SPEAKER_00: So it was just one of those crazy things.
• 10:46
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but um she goes to our church, she's one of the youth leaders of my middle school.
• 10:52
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, that's awesome.
• 10:54
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and she's really administrative and really fun.
• 10:56
  SPEAKER_00: And in the spirit of Sarah Haggerty, I wanted to have friends that were or work with someone who was local that I could like tomorrow, we're going to go get coffee and celebrate Christmas and you know, do some packaging shopping for how we're gonna send out influencer boxes in sending all the books to me to get to do that because I wanted to put them together.
• 11:23
  SPEAKER_00: So we're just doing that together.
• 11:24
  SPEAKER_00: And I thought I know a lot of people that have virtual assistants, but I want someone in my life, like that I can look in their eye and hear how they're doing and have our connection be about like her being in our home and having a meal here and me dropping something by or you know, giving her a hug and sitting in church together, like they're just those components that were really sweet.
• 11:46
  SPEAKER_00: So I think that's huge.
• 11:48
  SPEAKER_01: Well, yeah, that way too, they can respond.
• 11:50
  SPEAKER_01: Um, knowing your heart.
• 11:52
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, there's one thing to know, like, okay, copy and verbiage, but there's another to really communicate how the feel that you would communicate.
• 12:00
  SPEAKER_01: So that's awesome.
• 12:02
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and so she'll come with me when my kids have like science class, and we'll meet up at the science museum and just like sit by the fire or walk around or play with the baby and talk and do work then, and it just fits the flow of our lives.
• 12:14
  SPEAKER_00: And it's I don't really need someone all the time, but just for this, I because I am not a great detail person, um, I knew I needed someone to want me to do that.
• 12:25
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's okay.
• 12:26
  SPEAKER_00: All the things that this is one of the few podcasts I think that like came a different way, but Donna Rince has a built-in publicist for authors.
• 12:36
  SPEAKER_00: And so they just have me booked at different places for articles and interviews.
• 12:41
  SPEAKER_00: And so I just honestly I don't think I would I would just go into overwhelming crawl in a corner and have all absolutely like I just don't do well with those with like organizing a calendar.
• 12:53
  SPEAKER_00: It's not my not your thing, my skill set.
• 12:56
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, it doesn't matter.
• 12:57
  SPEAKER_00: And I I have no problem if I have to do that and for my family, but right in a time when it's it just feels overwhelming to me to do it alone and just one of those funny, oh sorry, funny quirks of my personality.
• 13:10
  SPEAKER_00: I think I'm just bad at that.
• 13:12
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm learning.
• 13:14
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, how are you doing with the scheduling and everything with your podcast?
• 13:17
  SPEAKER_00: Is that going okay?
• 13:18
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you know, it's so funny.
• 13:19
  SPEAKER_01: I and that's what I was thinking.
• 13:21
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, could I handle someone organizing my schedule?
• 13:24
  SPEAKER_01: And I actually, it would probably be really good for me because I I totally say yes more than I should, and I over, you know, I take too much time figuring out how everything's gonna fit together.
• 13:35
  SPEAKER_01: And do you use a scheduling system or do you just email?
• 13:39
  SPEAKER_01: I just do email, I use workflowy, I use the good old, you know, handwritten calendar, but all of that has gotten me into a lot of trouble because Me too.
• 13:49
  SPEAKER_00: I know you're doing calendar girl.
• 13:51
  SPEAKER_00: I'm like, can everyone in our family just look at the giant calendar?
• 13:54
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, please.
• 13:56
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, they won't.
• 13:57
  SPEAKER_00: They all have a Google Calendar that I'm not on.
• 13:59
  SPEAKER_00: Oh dear.
• 14:00
  SPEAKER_00: I got on it recently, but it's helped.
• 14:02
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 14:03
  SPEAKER_00: But um, yeah, it's tricky.
• 14:05
  SPEAKER_00: There's a couple of podcasts I've noticed that I'm on um all or you can, you know, when you come on to be a guest, you get to see the inside of the systems they're using.
• 14:14
  SPEAKER_00: Oh yeah.
• 14:15
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know what it is.
• 14:17
  SPEAKER_00: Um I could find out for you, but a couple of them have like questions, like what they do, I think, is go through and mark out the times that they're willing to do podcasts.
• 14:28
  SPEAKER_00: And so when you go pick a time, it's limited within whatever they've set and blocked out for you.
• 14:34
  SPEAKER_00: Right, right.
• 14:35
  SPEAKER_00: And so you don't have to do back and forth email.
• 14:38
  SPEAKER_00: You send them the link and they sign up themselves and they get an auto reminder the day before.
• 14:45
  SPEAKER_00: And there's um a section in there on all the ones that I've done so far that have like questions for me, like uh, I don't know, like general questions that they like to ask.
• 14:58
  SPEAKER_00: It includes a place for my photo, my bio, links to all my social, as well as um one of them I noticed had an agreement as well, just saying in the spirit of um, I think it's the open door sisterhood podcast.
• 15:14
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, cool.
• 15:15
  SPEAKER_00: Said something like, in the spirit of, you know, sisterhood and community, we ask that all of our guests share this podcast on social media when they're on.
• 15:24
  SPEAKER_00: Do you agree to this?
• 15:25
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, that's a great idea.
• 15:27
  SPEAKER_00: In writing that someone says, Yes, I'm gonna promote you on the day that I'm on.
• 15:31
  SPEAKER_00: Totally.
• 15:31
  SPEAKER_00: Because that's always a bummer if so you have someone on and then they don't share that they're on.
• 15:36
  SPEAKER_00: That's true.
• 15:37
  SPEAKER_00: And so I loved that.
• 15:39
  SPEAKER_00: And so it was super great because then they have everything they need.
• 15:43
  SPEAKER_00: And I think there was one that it said, is there anything off off um that you're gonna talk about?
• 15:48
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 15:49
  SPEAKER_00: Or are there certain things that you want to talk about?
• 15:52
  SPEAKER_00: This is the theme of the podcast.
• 15:54
  SPEAKER_00: What do you have to say or speak into this?
• 15:56
  SPEAKER_00: So they basically get all their show notes.
• 15:59
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's really done.
• 16:02
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it was funny.
• 16:02
  SPEAKER_01: I need to know what this is, like yesterday.
• 16:04
  SPEAKER_00: I'll find out for you.
• 16:05
  SPEAKER_00: I'll find out.
• 16:07
  SPEAKER_01: So great.
• 16:07
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you.
• 16:07
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that would be awesome.
• 16:09
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, if maybe it'll just then you can just plug in the days you're free in your forum and you never have to touch it.
• 16:14
  SPEAKER_00: It would be great.
• 16:15
  SPEAKER_00: Email another person ever again.
• 16:17
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it would be awesome.
• 16:19
  SPEAKER_01: Because I admit admittedly, I spend way more I mean, I this podcast thing is an obedience thing for me too, you know, kind of like you talked about, like, okay, well, I feel compelled to give the message and it and it's kind of working along those lines too.
• 16:32
  SPEAKER_01: And the Lord has opened amazing doors.
• 16:34
  SPEAKER_01: But the same thing is you would think once a week thing wouldn't require that much work.
• 16:38
  SPEAKER_00: And oh no.
• 16:39
  SPEAKER_00: No, it totally does.
• 16:40
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, we call it but you have to figure out like what's the life-giving part and what's the part that you have to do that doesn't have to be you, like exactly the one interviewing, but you don't need to be the one emailing everybody out, exactly.
• 16:53
  SPEAKER_00: And that's what it was for me.
• 16:54
  SPEAKER_00: I was like, I can't do the back and forth, I can do this time, I can do this time.
• 16:58
  SPEAKER_00: Yep.
• 16:58
  SPEAKER_00: I just need to tell Claire my blocks of time, yeah, and then and then she can figure it out.
• 17:05
  SPEAKER_01: And then they'll help you stick to it because I'll totally be like, oh, but I you know, maybe I'm being too inflexible and then I won't guard it or you know, put the boundary like I should.
• 17:15
  SPEAKER_00: Then what happens is that if you need to, like today, I was like, This, oh yeah, just schedule me for today.
• 17:21
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 17:22
  SPEAKER_00: So the times that you had before are just the special times I gave Claire.
• 17:26
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 17:26
  SPEAKER_00: This is different.
• 17:27
  SPEAKER_00: I'll make it work.
• 17:27
  SPEAKER_00: Just we'll do this.
• 17:28
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 17:29
  SPEAKER_00: You can do that when you need to, and when there's someone that you, you know, want to make it work for.
• 17:34
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 17:34
  SPEAKER_00: So then and I think it's what everybody's doing.
• 17:37
  SPEAKER_00: Like I think you can do it and say, these are the these are the two times I have a week and cook it.
• 17:44
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, no, I love it.
• 17:45
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, this is so great.
• 17:46
  SPEAKER_01: I'm so excited about it.
• 17:47
  SPEAKER_00: I think also when people click on that link the first time and they see how many available dates you have and how many are already full, yeah.
• 17:54
  SPEAKER_00: It makes them schedule themselves really quick instead of you having to go back and follow up and say, Yeah, would you really like to schedule?
• 18:01
  SPEAKER_00: You know.
• 18:01
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, I think that's a really good idea.
• 18:03
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, because yeah, especially now that we're getting booked out more um several months in advance, it it just and it just helps with the brain thing.
• 18:12
  SPEAKER_01: Because I don't need to keep that on the top of my brain.
• 18:14
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, exactly.
• 18:15
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 18:16
  SPEAKER_00: It's like that's what it is.
• 18:17
  SPEAKER_00: It's like that mental space that you need to have devoted to something else.
• 18:22
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 18:23
  SPEAKER_01: Now tell me about the book launch process.
• 18:25
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, having been a part of it with Sarah, I know it's quite arduous, and there's so many different pieces that no one ever knows or even sees.
• 18:34
  SPEAKER_00: No, they don't.
• 18:35
  SPEAKER_00: And so it's a little tricky because because there are just so many pieces and they seem to all happen at once.
• 18:43
  SPEAKER_00: Like there's a lot of hurry up and wait, and then it's like boom, boom, boom, and all cylinders have to be firing.
• 18:49
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 18:49
  SPEAKER_00: And um, so I have a great marketing team.
• 18:53
  SPEAKER_00: Sarah does too.
• 18:54
  SPEAKER_00: Someone's amazing to work with.
• 18:56
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, they are and they're doing all kinds of stuff on their own, and they're supporting me and lots of things that I'm doing.
• 19:03
  SPEAKER_00: And um, so now we're just kind of kicking it into gear.
• 19:06
  SPEAKER_01: There's a lunch team, there's um yeah, and I'm on the Facebook page of the launch team.
• 19:12
  SPEAKER_01: So I've gotten to read a little bit of Selah.
• 19:15
  SPEAKER_01: It's beautiful.
• 19:17
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you.
• 19:18
  SPEAKER_01: So good.
• 19:19
  SPEAKER_00: I'm loving that group so much, and I was able to spend about an hour in there today and just go through comments I hadn't responded to in the last week, and that was so dear.
• 19:30
  SPEAKER_00: And then, you know, you have like all these digital ads and digital things coming out for the book promotion.
• 19:37
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 19:38
  SPEAKER_00: And then you have interviews like this and articles that are coming out that you need to write, or excerpts that you need to tweak, and then um the pre-order gifts and giveaways and so many things.
• 19:52
  SPEAKER_00: It's a little bit much, yeah.
• 19:54
  SPEAKER_00: It's also really fun because there's, you know, I've been walking in this journey of writing.
• 20:01
  SPEAKER_00: I guess I got I signed on my contract in January, coming up on two years in January.
• 20:07
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 20:08
  SPEAKER_00: And I mine was really long for the release because I wanted it to be a book that came out in the new year.
• 20:15
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 20:15
  SPEAKER_00: Because of the concept, I thought this is really either a book that needs to come out in the summertime for moms or in the winter.
• 20:24
  SPEAKER_00: With fresh beginning.
• 20:26
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and I think that those are both um real lulls for us to be able to consider um what's going on in our hearts.
• 20:35
  SPEAKER_00: And so moms naturally do get a break and a lull to ponder, to read, to dig in to scripture, to books in the summertime.
• 20:44
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 20:46
  SPEAKER_00: When our schedules are off and different.
• 20:48
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 20:48
  SPEAKER_00: And naturally also, I think after Christmas, there's this.
• 20:52
  SPEAKER_00: But I thought that after Christmas lull is really a sela of the year.
• 20:57
  SPEAKER_00: It is.
• 20:57
  SPEAKER_00: It's this low, it's like this fallow season.
• 21:01
  SPEAKER_00: We're past all the celebrating, our adrenaline is low.
• 21:04
  SPEAKER_00: It feels like this giant pause because there's not a lot of holidays.
• 21:08
  SPEAKER_00: We're just waiting for spring and easter and hope.
• 21:12
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 21:13
  SPEAKER_00: And we feel really personally in North America and Northern Europe, I guess, northern hemisphere, we feel dry.
• 21:20
  SPEAKER_00: We feel kind of like, oh, we need we need hope more than ever.
• 21:24
  SPEAKER_00: Like it's sort of right at that pre-Lenten season, especially.
• 21:29
  SPEAKER_01: Ordinary days, as I'm coming to find out.
• 21:32
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 21:32
  SPEAKER_00: And I think too that there's um oh, you mean in the liturgical calendar?
• 21:38
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 21:38
  SPEAKER_00: And then also, um I think that there's a real a real focus on sort of a reset for our hearts in the new year.
• 21:49
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 21:49
  SPEAKER_00: Um that happens again, I think, in the summer too, but uh as we look at the year.
• 21:54
  SPEAKER_00: So I wanted it to be a winter release.
• 21:56
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 21:56
  SPEAKER_00: And I I sort of expect it, I thought it fit better.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_00: Because of the topic of the book, too.
• 22:02
  SPEAKER_00: There's so much about winter in the book.
• 22:06
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 22:06
  SPEAKER_00: And I just imagined people reading it in the cold.
• 22:09
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 22:10
  SPEAKER_00: In a place where they felt a little bit cold and achy and desperate as they read it.
• 22:16
  SPEAKER_00: And I feel like that every January.
• 22:18
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, I do.
• 22:19
  SPEAKER_00: It was great because it allowed the arc of like writing the book to go a little longer, to negotiate it to come out in January and to sign in January meant that I had two years.
• 22:33
  SPEAKER_00: And so I it was a long lead time.
• 22:36
  SPEAKER_00: So it's been really sweet, but it's it's really amazing to have um, you know, this be this theme and this conversation that I'm having in my family and in my marriage, and in just pondering with God for so long as I wrote it, and now to share it with other people, it feels like inviting them into this party that you know, like even preparing to talk about it today.
• 23:02
  SPEAKER_00: Um there is something about like I just am like, this is just who I am, this is like what I'm breathing right now because because it's been something I've walked through for so long.
• 23:13
  SPEAKER_00: So I just feel really expectant and excited to share it with people because um because you're literally carrying the message.
• 23:22
  SPEAKER_01: You're yeah it's just who you are and part of your DNA.
• 23:26
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 23:27
  SPEAKER_00: And you also can't just you can't just talk about it all as you're writing everything on social media.
• 23:33
  SPEAKER_00: It needs to come out at the appropriate time.
• 23:35
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 23:36
  SPEAKER_00: And so it's like I've been dying to talk about this.
• 23:39
  SPEAKER_00: And so there's just this excitement.
• 23:41
  SPEAKER_00: And I I feel really expectant and um yeah, just it's really fun.
• 23:47
  SPEAKER_00: That's really fun for your book baby.
• 23:50
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it just feels fun.
• 23:52
  SPEAKER_00: And I think Sarah is a great example of a of a one of the few writers I know who has six kids.
• 23:59
  SPEAKER_00: I have five.
• 24:01
  SPEAKER_00: Um, we're homeschooling, and the way that each of us homeschool is very like right with our kids and everything.
• 24:07
  SPEAKER_00: Um and so it's super relational, super connect, like high connectivity with them throughout their academics.
• 24:15
  SPEAKER_00: And so that is a really hard puzzle to figure out how do I have integrity in my home in this calling enroll that is not ever gonna be trumped by uh a vocational calling.
• 24:29
  SPEAKER_00: Yep.
• 24:30
  SPEAKER_00: And so, what does that look like to do that well?
• 24:33
  SPEAKER_00: And so Sarah is like my homegirl who I'm like talk to me about.
• 24:38
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, yeah, and and also to realize that when you're releasing a book, there's gonna be tons of expectations from a million people, yeah, and to keep at the forefront what it looks like as an act of worship and you know, spiritual worship and service to the Lord to have an obedience, to have this message come out and to execute it well, but to realize that I can't be everything all the time.
• 25:03
  SPEAKER_01: And not at the sacrifice of your family, right?
• 25:06
  SPEAKER_00: And so there are sacrifices even for a short season, of course.
• 25:10
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, there's things that I don't want to, I think it's it's pretty interesting to release a book about rest and peace and then have like everyone you know just tell you that they want to die after they release it.
• 25:23
  SPEAKER_00: Like, how can I maintain this?
• 25:25
  SPEAKER_00: Right, and yet at the same time, you there's there's that there's this responsibility and stewardship of making sure that it is released in that spirit and that heart, like that I can't lose what is most important to me and my vital first ministry in my home, um, and exchange it for you know success of or worldly success of something.
• 25:51
  SPEAKER_00: So really letting go and trusting God with it and um rehearsing that every day is a really big piece.
• 25:59
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 26:00
  SPEAKER_00: And I and I hope that yeah, so it just it's a lot of it's a lot of emotions.
• 26:05
  SPEAKER_00: There it is.
• 26:07
  SPEAKER_01: Well, and not only that, I mean it's bumping up right here.
• 26:10
  SPEAKER_01: You know, we're having this conversation at Christmas and the release is just within a few weeks.
• 26:16
  SPEAKER_00: And so it's a lot, it's a lot of I thought until I'm so glad that I knew from our m my mistake missing this podcast last week to check my email because this morning, because until this morning when I checked my email, I thought today was December 10th.
• 26:32
  SPEAKER_00: Oh no idea that it's 13th.
• 26:36
  SPEAKER_00: We are huge.
• 26:38
  SPEAKER_00: That's hilarious.
• 26:39
  SPEAKER_00: Lucia people, I just hid it from my kids.
• 26:41
  SPEAKER_00: Oh seea, it's tomorrow.
• 26:45
  SPEAKER_00: And so maybe you're not quite ready.
• 26:49
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 26:49
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm like, what?
• 26:50
  SPEAKER_00: Oh gosh, well, we're buying a house and moving next week at the same time.
• 26:55
  SPEAKER_01: So it's oh my goodness.
• 26:57
  SPEAKER_01: We did that the same exact we moved December 17th, six years ago now.
• 27:01
  SPEAKER_01: And my daughter has a birthday, my husband, myself, we travel at Christmas, and so to have a closing date in the midst of it, but oh my lands, you're also launching a book.
• 27:12
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I know.
• 27:13
  SPEAKER_00: And so I was like, my mother-in-law called today and asked about Christmas gifts, and I was like, right, we probably need where we're gonna have Christmas presents.
• 27:24
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, we keep it really simple, but still oh yeah, so much stuff.
• 27:29
  SPEAKER_01: Well, how did you even get into the writing world?
• 27:32
  SPEAKER_01: And I know you've been kind of the co-host with Sally Clarkson's podcast for quite a while now, because I know it was even I think you were before you were pregnant with your last one, and he's 15 months now.
• 27:44
  SPEAKER_01: So um, but anyway, like the writing thing and then and then a book.
• 27:48
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, obviously, I do see you carry this message really, really well.
• 27:53
  SPEAKER_01: But I know sometimes a message we carry is never, you know, ends up in a book, but kind of tell us a little bit how that all transpired.
• 28:02
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 28:02
  SPEAKER_00: So we I started writing, well, it's funny.
• 28:06
  SPEAKER_00: I always wanted to be a writer.
• 28:08
  SPEAKER_00: There was a short period of time when I wanted to be an astronaut, and then I learned that you had to do math in space, and that turned me off to it.
• 28:16
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, that's funny.
• 28:18
  SPEAKER_00: And then um, then I I always wanted to be a writer or a librarian.
• 28:24
  SPEAKER_00: Like I've always felt at home into I loved writing.
• 28:28
  SPEAKER_00: Like I just nerded out with writing, and it's it's always been the way that I processed what I was reading and processed um my prayer life.
• 28:37
  SPEAKER_00: Like all my prayers are a lot, most of them are written out.
• 28:41
  SPEAKER_00: Like wow, that's just how I have quiet time.
• 28:43
  SPEAKER_00: That's wonderful.
• 28:44
  SPEAKER_00: And so it's it's really a treasure to go back and read those prayers from a long time ago.
• 28:51
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 28:52
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's fun.
• 28:53
  SPEAKER_00: It's really funny because we've moved so many times in our marriage.
• 28:57
  SPEAKER_00: We've been married 18 years, and this move next week will be 15.
• 29:01
  SPEAKER_00: Oh my goodness.
• 29:03
  SPEAKER_00: I think it's Krista, every single time my husband is like, are we really taking all these books and girdles?
• 29:09
  SPEAKER_00: Yep, we are.
• 29:10
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, absolutely.
• 29:10
  unknown: Oh yeah.
• 29:11
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's so pretty.
• 29:12
  SPEAKER_00: But so it's always been just who I was.
• 29:15
  SPEAKER_00: And you know, you know, when you were a little kid and and people, teachers, parents, people that you love affirm things in you.
• 29:24
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 29:25
  SPEAKER_00: That was just always what was affirmed in me, like and spoken over me.
• 29:29
  SPEAKER_00: Like, you are such a great writer.
• 29:31
  SPEAKER_00: Wow.
• 29:32
  SPEAKER_00: And so I never really envisioned anything for myself but being a writer my whole life.
• 29:37
  SPEAKER_00: Wow.
• 29:37
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I thought about being a nurse for about a hot minute, and then I realized I can't handle boogers on blood.
• 29:45
  unknown: That didn't happen.
• 29:46
  SPEAKER_00: That might yeah.
• 29:49
  SPEAKER_00: So um, I just I just always wrote.
• 29:52
  SPEAKER_00: And so my degree is in humanities and writing.
• 29:56
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 29:56
  SPEAKER_00: And um, and I just I I became a mom, you know, before I was even done with my undergrad.
• 30:03
  SPEAKER_00: Oh.
• 30:04
  SPEAKER_00: So I actually only have my writing degree finished.
• 30:07
  SPEAKER_00: My my other part of my real BA, I think I have like six credits left.
• 30:12
  SPEAKER_00: Oh my goodness.
• 30:12
  SPEAKER_00: It was what I was a mom when I was finishing it.
• 30:15
  SPEAKER_00: I had our oldest, you know, I write about this in the book um when I was still an undergrad.
• 30:20
  SPEAKER_03: Wow.
• 30:20
  SPEAKER_00: And so um, so I shaped my writing world and career around being a mom.
• 30:27
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 30:27
  SPEAKER_00: So I wrote for um before blogging was a thing, I wrote for the old school Mops magazine and the mops leadership magazine, like the ones that would come in the mail.
• 30:38
  SPEAKER_00: They still have one, but I think it's they do a lot online now.
• 30:42
  SPEAKER_00: I'm sure, yeah.
• 30:42
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and I remember like putting out um articles to different magazines with like a self-addressed stamped envelope so that rejection could come back to that.
• 30:54
  SPEAKER_01: I I would watch my mom do the same thing.
• 30:56
  SPEAKER_01: So she a regular yeah, yeah, so funny.
• 30:59
  SPEAKER_00: So it's always what I wanted to do.
• 31:01
  SPEAKER_00: And then blogging sort of popped on the scene.
• 31:05
  SPEAKER_00: And I thought, I could have a blog and just write about stuff and shoot the breeze.
• 31:10
  SPEAKER_00: And so I did that, but I never have really taken off to um writing on a blog every day.
• 31:16
  SPEAKER_00: I always wished I could do that, but I wanted to, and I've I've always had a heart to sort of tell a long form story in the form of a book.
• 31:25
  SPEAKER_00: And I always wanted to write a book or multiple books.
• 31:28
  SPEAKER_00: I would love to write, write books until the day I die, and just beautiful feed my family and be home and write books.
• 31:35
  SPEAKER_00: But in the online world, in the way that marketing books works now, you know, you need to be have a website and be online and you know, whatever.
• 31:42
  SPEAKER_00: And you do have a beautiful website.
• 31:44
  SPEAKER_01: I really love it.
• 31:46
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 31:46
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it has like a collection of articles on there and some other things to get lost in, just as a anchored space online.
• 31:54
  SPEAKER_00: But um, but everything I was doing online was really always about how can I just connect with people and be able to um have a voice and and grow that so that I can write books.
• 32:08
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 32:08
  SPEAKER_00: And so I'm so so thankful that I've been able to do that and have a place where um where I could sync up with Sally in ministry through the Mom Heart podcast has been awesome.
• 32:22
  SPEAKER_00: So I've we started the At Home with Sally and Friends about two years ago.
• 32:26
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 32:27
  SPEAKER_00: And so we started it right when I was signing a book contract, which was kind of crazy.
• 32:31
  SPEAKER_00: And it has grown to be just the sweetest space that we both love.
• 32:36
  SPEAKER_00: And Sally has it's our it's sort of the ministry podcast.
• 32:40
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm on it co-hosting with her.
• 32:42
  SPEAKER_00: Sometimes I'll interview people.
• 32:44
  SPEAKER_00: Sally interviews other people often, and we meet up together maybe once or twice a month on there too, just the two of us.
• 32:50
  SPEAKER_00: And and it has been such a sweet, sweet place to connect with women on and talk about motherhood and just yeah, just lovely.
• 32:58
  SPEAKER_00: And so it is, it is fun.
• 32:59
  SPEAKER_00: That's been a it's really, it's really been a yeah.
• 33:03
  SPEAKER_00: I learned so much from Sally, the way that she tells stories, the way that she lives life, and obviously as a personal mentor and writing mentor to meet so much.
• 33:15
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so we've been friends for about eight years, I think.
• 33:20
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 33:20
  SPEAKER_00: So and um, yeah, she's come to all my little apartments in New York and seen life there.
• 33:27
  SPEAKER_00: It's been really good.
• 33:28
  SPEAKER_00: So um, yeah, this whole idea of Sila, this idea of pause and rest in the middle of sort of all your emotions as a mom, all the overwhelm that we experience, and not just as moms, but as women, yeah, started to really swirl in my own heart in around 2006 when my third son was born, or my third child, right?
• 33:54
  SPEAKER_00: Who's also my first son.
• 33:55
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 33:55
  SPEAKER_00: Um, when he was born, I started really understanding this word.
• 34:00
  SPEAKER_00: I'd been praying in the Psalms quite a bit, and um had I talked about in the book what it looks like to sort of find the rhythm of your prayer life in the Psalms and what that what it means to see that there's these huge emotions, that there's great difficulties, there's great joys that all the psalmists bring vulnerably before God.
• 34:24
  SPEAKER_00: And I was in a season after our first daughter was born when I had pretty severe postpartum depression.
• 34:30
  SPEAKER_00: And um, I felt so numb and so uh so disconnected from the Lord, disconnected from others, to the degree that I didn't know how to pray anymore.
• 34:44
  SPEAKER_00: I felt so numb personally and so um just so out of out of tune, really.
• 34:52
  SPEAKER_00: And so this whole idea of learning how to look to the Psalms um and pray the Psalms when I didn't feel like I had my own words or even my own inclinations became a way back to engaging my heart with the heart of God.
• 35:11
  SPEAKER_00: And then after our son Jones was born, I started writing about this idea of Selah, seeing that word in the middle of the Psalms and seeing under like kind of nerding out about it and researching what it meant and started looking at all the psalms that I'd been praying for a really long time and and looking at that word and what started to happen in the lives of the psalmists.
• 35:34
  SPEAKER_00: And oftentimes after that word is mentioned, there is a clear reorientation of some of the heart of the psalmist to the Lord.
• 35:42
  SPEAKER_00: Like, you know, they'll be crying out in agony and and distress or depression, and that was so significant to me.
• 35:51
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you could identify with that, right?
• 35:53
  SPEAKER_00: Because I was like, wow, I have permission to really lay it all out for God.
• 35:58
  SPEAKER_00: Like that had been huge for me as a new mom when I was dealing with depression.
• 36:02
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 36:02
  SPEAKER_00: But as I started to look and go, wow, what it the after this pause, after this rest, it was so often that in that break in the music of a psalm, there would be all of a sudden praise and adoration replaced the depression and the exhaustion.
• 36:21
  SPEAKER_00: And not always, but often.
• 36:23
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 36:23
  SPEAKER_00: And I started.
• 36:24
  SPEAKER_01: At least returning to freedom.
• 36:26
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 36:27
  SPEAKER_00: And I thought, what is it about a pause and about a rest that reorients our hearts to be able in the next verse to be filled with such praise and such awe and a um rehearsing adoration of who God was again to him?
• 36:44
  SPEAKER_00: And that that I started to just sort of meditate and ponder on what does that look like in my life when I pause and when I rest?
• 36:52
  SPEAKER_00: How does that significantly affect me the way that it affects the verse of a psalm?
• 36:57
  SPEAKER_00: Wow.
• 36:58
  SPEAKER_00: And so that became the foundation for this whole book.
• 37:01
  SPEAKER_00: And and I wrote about it and I prayed about it for a long time and never ever felt that it was time until two years ago to start jumping on how to share it.
• 37:10
  SPEAKER_00: And I think it was because I was writing about it for so long before we ever moved to New York City.
• 37:16
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 37:16
  SPEAKER_00: And so this thing was becoming so real.
• 37:19
  SPEAKER_00: This idea of pause and rest in my own life, of communicating with God in vulnerable ways, was becoming real to me.
• 37:27
  SPEAKER_00: But as soon as we entered into the mayhem of living in an urban area, it was okay.
• 37:36
  SPEAKER_00: So you've got this thing that you've worked out that's knit into the fabric of who you are, into your heart and life.
• 37:42
  SPEAKER_00: What does that look like when everything external is just crazy?
• 37:46
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and it is crazy.
• 37:48
  SPEAKER_00: Are you still able to hold on to that peace when your external circumstances and environments and are out of tune?
• 37:56
  SPEAKER_00: That's huge.
• 37:57
  SPEAKER_00: Because it's the song of heaven and God's song of the gospel that he's singing over us that brings our lives that melody and that pause and that rest come from him and from our meeting with him.
• 38:12
  SPEAKER_00: And the song that he's singing over us is still the one that we need to listen to most and tune our ears to, regardless of circumstance.
• 38:20
  SPEAKER_00: And so it served as this really great picture in the book of working this out and then seeing it really be tested and refined.
• 38:32
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and really refined.
• 38:34
  SPEAKER_00: And um, and so I loved that that God just got.
• 38:39
  SPEAKER_00: I always thought it would be what I wrote about, but I felt like it wasn't ready.
• 38:44
  SPEAKER_00: The message wasn't ready in my own life.
• 38:46
  SPEAKER_00: And so it's pretty cool to like have seen God whisper this promise of this story, and then to see the way that he wove that into our lives and now into the pages of the book.
• 38:59
  SPEAKER_01: That's awesome.
• 39:00
  SPEAKER_01: Oh my god, yeah, it's beautiful.
• 39:02
  SPEAKER_00: And when I wrote the book or began writing the book, I had no idea that we would ever leave New York City.
• 39:08
  SPEAKER_00: And um, so that's been interesting too.
• 39:15
  SPEAKER_00: And I sort of had to make an addendum to what it would be about when we left and how it ends.
• 39:20
  SPEAKER_01: So that's kind of fun.
• 39:22
  SPEAKER_01: And I can't wait to read the rest of it because I don't have my hands on it yet.
• 39:26
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, they're coming, they're coming.
• 39:28
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, I know.
• 39:29
  SPEAKER_00: I can't wait.
• 39:30
  SPEAKER_00: It's gonna be so good.
• 39:32
  SPEAKER_00: I think all the press, all the press um copies are coming soon.
• 39:36
  SPEAKER_01: Awesome.
• 39:36
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, that's I heard they were mailed on Monday, and the launch team books were mailed on Monday too.
• 39:41
  SPEAKER_00: So you should be getting one of those.
• 39:42
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I love it.
• 39:44
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah, it's I mean, I'm I can tell you totally like that.
• 39:49
  SPEAKER_01: Is just beautiful.
• 39:50
  SPEAKER_01: And you can't, I mean, you extend it in such a way of like that's an invitation.
• 39:54
  SPEAKER_01: Don't we all want to take it?
• 39:56
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, that's what we all can experience, and we can all know no matter what it is that we're facing, whether it is postpartum depression or if it's a career loss or a shift or or an empty womb again, or a lack of marriage, or you know, what all the different things that there was someone on the lunch team that read about, I forget what what trial they read about in the book.
• 40:22
  SPEAKER_00: Because it's pretty, some of it's really heavy, like the stuff we've gone through.
• 40:26
  SPEAKER_00: My husband reading it has said, Do you think people think that you just made this up?
• 40:31
  SPEAKER_00: Like, and there's parts that I left out, there's parts that were going on simultaneously where I was like, if I also say that we all had mono and then we love lice, and then my husband had an ACL replacement at the exact same time, no one will be.
• 40:58
  SPEAKER_00: And then I realized she meant the circumstances, and I was like, not really, like it's always hard.
• 41:04
  SPEAKER_00: And I think that's what's so Sally and I just said this on a podcast we recorded on Monday.
• 41:09
  SPEAKER_00: We said sometimes people can think that she and I are Pollyanna's because we talk about these noble things in our homes and in the joy that we have with our children and um pouring tea and lighting candles.
• 41:23
  SPEAKER_00: And really what you need to know is that it's not just that, it's that in the midst of deep heartache, really difficult things, um, financial loss, physical loss.
• 41:36
  SPEAKER_00: Um, you know, I buried a child after a later, you know, second trimester miscarriage.
• 41:44
  SPEAKER_00: Um we Sally almost died after a miscarriage.
• 41:47
  SPEAKER_00: Like there's all these things that we were talking about that we don't that we we've borne that are so hard, that are such that are such um really just full of such grief or just circumstances that really kind of gave us PTSD a little bit, that are so difficult.
• 42:05
  SPEAKER_00: But you can either be a victim of your circumstance or you can live intentionally and find rest in that because it is offered to us.
• 42:14
  SPEAKER_00: And so I don't want to say it as a platitude of this is just a way for all of us to have rest.
• 42:20
  SPEAKER_00: I want you to know it's really coming from a place of having.
• 42:24
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I was saying to someone in a comment on the lunch team Facebook page today, you know, don't lose heart because where this book starts and where it ends is 16 years of time for this is woven in through my life.
• 42:38
  SPEAKER_00: This is stuff that I've had to walk through through tears and tears and tears and learning slowly and really, really wrestle with.
• 42:48
  SPEAKER_00: And so for me, for over, you know, almost two decades now, we've been married.
• 42:54
  SPEAKER_00: I guess I start kind of talking about life as a new mom and back up a little bit to when we were first married.
• 43:01
  SPEAKER_00: So we're about to have our 18th wedding anniversary.
• 43:04
  SPEAKER_00: So this is not, even as you read the book, it might feel like you're zooming through, but just to know that it's a story that has taken a long time to take root in my life.
• 43:14
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 43:15
  SPEAKER_00: And that's how God works.
• 43:16
  SPEAKER_00: Like he woos us to himself and teaches us slowly how to need and knit these truths into our life little by little, yeah.
• 43:27
  SPEAKER_00: Through, you know, trial after trial and suffering after suffering and joy after joy.
• 43:32
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so I just I just don't want people to think that I'm just saying, just rest and then everything.
• 43:38
  SPEAKER_00: And everything will be that I really believe that is the invitation that is offered to us.
• 43:44
  SPEAKER_00: But understanding that in the way that I've been able to communicate it is a hard won battle.
• 43:52
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and it could have been an immediate revelation, but there is the working out of it.
• 43:59
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_01: There's the holding on to it as well as holding on to the, you know, idealism of what the Lord has put in our heart, the dream of what could be and how we could live it out in the midst of the circumstances on the side of heaven.
• 44:13
  SPEAKER_01: Because I mean, as you talked about, I mean, so many of us can go, yeah, I mean, if I wrote my life out, it'd make, you know, really good story because it's been dramatic and hard and difficult.
• 44:24
  SPEAKER_01: And most people can raise their hand to that.
• 44:27
  SPEAKER_01: So, you know, I yeah, I think it's uh because you all communicate such what you have done in the middle of it, in spite of it, um, I think that is the beautiful thing and the inspiring thing because we can go, okay, yeah, this is really hard and um it feels like I'll never come back, but I can see that these other people were victorious and walked through it and walked out of it.
• 44:51
  SPEAKER_00: And I would say, as you were talking about what it looks like to be a writer, I really did feel compelled to publish this book and have this be something that I shared with the world about our story.
• 45:04
  SPEAKER_00: But more than anything, I feel excited about this book as an Ebenezer for my own family too.
• 45:10
  SPEAKER_00: Like I hope this is a book that I can hand to my grandchildren and say, and I mean I'm just 36.
• 45:17
  SPEAKER_00: Beautiful.
• 45:17
  SPEAKER_00: I think I'm 38.
• 45:18
  SPEAKER_00: I can't remember from 37 or 38.
• 45:20
  SPEAKER_00: Well, the way you were talking, like I think we're the same age.
• 45:22
  SPEAKER_00: I'm down the I'm down the road from having grandkids, hopefully.
• 45:27
  SPEAKER_00: But I um but I dream about being able to hand it to them and say, This is the legacy of our family because of what God worked out through our hearts and in in his in this season, like this is a legacy that we want you to step into.
• 45:43
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah and that is offered to you as well.
• 45:46
  SPEAKER_00: Because because I think that that when we're writing in our own journals, there is there's something that happens in the way that we process things.
• 45:56
  SPEAKER_00: So oftentimes the things that I'm writing about in my prayer journals or in, you know, just talking about the difficult things or the beautiful things that our family is going through, those are really the legacy and history of our family in a lot of ways, and and matter so much.
• 46:12
  SPEAKER_00: But I think that I would encourage anyone in a really difficult spot, whatever it might be, whether you live far from home, whether you're in have lost children, had miscarriages, are losing babies, are going through, you know, marital grief, whatever that looks like, um, maybe you have a prodigal child, to write about it.
• 46:34
  SPEAKER_00: Because even if you're not a writer, there's something that is transformative when you when you mark that down for yourself and for your family, and to be able to look back on and see what God's done with it.
• 46:47
  SPEAKER_00: And so when I think about my writing life, much of it is the majority of what I will write and who I am as a writer will never be published.
• 46:58
  SPEAKER_00: Will be for one.
• 46:59
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it is.
• 47:00
  SPEAKER_00: And so, and I think that when you're um a creative or when you like for me, I I am who I am.
• 47:08
  SPEAKER_00: Like it's is it the the man from you know who wrote who ran um Oh Charles Yeah it I don't know if that's his name and I can't even I know it's a little in there, Rick, but I'm trying to remember.
• 47:23
  SPEAKER_00: He's a runner, everyone listening.
• 47:25
  SPEAKER_01: Sure, it's a fire.
• 47:26
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you.
• 47:27
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, he said, um, you know, when I run, I feel the Lord's pleasure.
• 47:32
  SPEAKER_00: Like that's how I feel when I write.
• 47:34
  SPEAKER_00: I feel like it's who I am, and I'm in I am I just feel God's pleasure in my life, and I enjoy him the most when I'm writing.
• 47:44
  SPEAKER_00: And so this book just feels like an overflow of what God has been doing in the pages of my journals, and much of it had to be transcribed from my journals, which is pretty fun.
• 47:55
  SPEAKER_00: That's so awesome.
• 47:58
  SPEAKER_01: I think that would be the amazing thing is getting to go through some of that, you know, just having that like, okay, I have to actually go through these and figure out how what the Lord has done, what he has.
• 48:09
  SPEAKER_00: Then I kind of freaked out because I couldn't find one certain ones, like, and I had to have this whole like digitizing system now so that I don't lose things I want for future books.
• 48:19
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 48:19
  SPEAKER_00: Because that's a really big stressful thing when you know you've written down exactly what you want to have pieced somewhere, and then it's because it's handwritten, you can't find it.
• 48:29
  SPEAKER_01: Can't find it.
• 48:30
  SPEAKER_01: You know, I've I've worried about that too.
• 48:32
  SPEAKER_01: So I came up with a new system, and I'm just um this last year, well, yeah, I just started it, and and that was with um carrying around three by five cards, or I tear my paper if I don't have them with me into the three by five so I can organize it um after I get a big stack, and so that way I can go back through because I have felt like little whispers that are some things just between me and the Lord, but other things I'm like, I think he's there's a theme here, he keeps speaking about something, and I think there's something here for the future, whether it's a talk or whatever.
• 49:09
  SPEAKER_01: So, because I like I get really overwhelmed to go through all my old journals because it's like okay, I'll start reading it and I'll really enjoy.
• 49:17
  SPEAKER_01: Like, oh, you know, this is fun, this is fun, and I'll get distracted.
• 49:22
  SPEAKER_01: Finding it all again, it's like, oh, I can't I can't do that.
• 49:25
  SPEAKER_01: So anyway, I'll let you know if it continues to work.
• 49:28
  SPEAKER_00: I it that would be awesome.
• 49:31
  SPEAKER_00: I would love to know.
• 49:32
  SPEAKER_00: I actually I I think I probably I'm in the I'm in a writer's group.
• 49:36
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know if you're gonna publish on the podcast that part that we were talking about before we began.
• 49:41
  SPEAKER_00: I was talking about being in a writer's group on Voxer, and I feel like I'm probably the most ridiculous person in my group because everyone's talking about the the forms that they use, like the technology they use to write their books.
• 49:54
  SPEAKER_00: And I did use like certain things a little to keep things organized, but only after it was handwritten.
• 50:02
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 50:03
  SPEAKER_00: Everything you read in this book has been handwritten.
• 50:06
  SPEAKER_00: Handwritten before and then put into a document later.
• 50:10
  SPEAKER_00: I just I find that I have to have that rhythm, the way that I write, I like the swoosh of ink on a pen and page.
• 50:20
  SPEAKER_00: And if I'm typing, I I go back and forth.
• 50:24
  SPEAKER_00: Like I have to start writing and and doing it like that for about an hour or two, and then I can switch.
• 50:30
  SPEAKER_00: Once I'm ready to like enter it into a document, I can I can add to it and I can edit on documents.
• 50:36
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 50:36
  SPEAKER_00: But I have to start by writing.
• 50:38
  SPEAKER_00: There's something about the artistic rhythm of being a writer that I think lends itself to the rhythm of your handwriting versus typing.
• 50:48
  SPEAKER_00: And yeah, so yeah.
• 50:50
  SPEAKER_00: No, I totally get it.
• 50:52
  SPEAKER_01: All my friends who are writers are like, are you kidding me?
• 50:55
  SPEAKER_01: 50,000 words, like handwritten.
• 50:58
  SPEAKER_01: No, I'm totally the same way, so it's nice to know.
• 51:00
  SPEAKER_01: I kind of like where I'm on even when I do the podcast.
• 51:04
  SPEAKER_01: You're totally gonna get purple tunnel.
• 51:06
  SPEAKER_01: I know, right?
• 51:08
  SPEAKER_01: But I'll tell you what, it's but it's more of the hand heart connection for me, I think.
• 51:13
  SPEAKER_01: Where there's a more intimate connection between the pen and the paper than there is the keyboard.
• 51:17
  SPEAKER_01: And I definitely, the Holy Spirit has spoken as I typed on the computer, but there's just something different between the pen and paper.
• 51:24
  SPEAKER_01: So I get it.
• 51:26
  SPEAKER_00: I love it.
• 51:26
  SPEAKER_00: It's really true.
• 51:27
  SPEAKER_00: And I I do re I do rely on both for sure, but um, there's just something about the rhythm of it that I love.
• 51:35
  SPEAKER_01: So it's beautiful.
• 51:36
  SPEAKER_01: I love it.
• 51:37
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I if there's any other writers listening.
• 51:39
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 51:40
  SPEAKER_01: And if you like to do it, they have to go, yeah.
• 51:43
  SPEAKER_00: Like they have to go digital.
• 51:45
  SPEAKER_00: I'm here to tell you.
• 51:46
  SPEAKER_01: You don't have to.
• 51:49
  SPEAKER_01: That's awesome.
• 51:50
  SPEAKER_01: I love it.
• 51:51
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I see our time, and I can't believe it's gone so quickly.
• 51:55
  SPEAKER_01: And I really want to um, I want to end with this at least, um, because I think everyone's gonna wanna read this book.
• 52:03
  SPEAKER_01: I think it's perfect timing, and I'm I'm totally, you know, seeing myself by the fire and because we have this wonderful wood-burning stove.
• 52:11
  SPEAKER_01: And so I have that's kind of where my Januaries are spent, and plus we do prayer and fasting to start the year and stuff.
• 52:18
  SPEAKER_01: So it's it's just ideal timing.
• 52:20
  SPEAKER_01: But um, as people maybe are waiting for their books, um, if they're gonna go order it on Amazon or something like that today, what are just some of the ways that um as we frame our new year with this message of Selah that you would wanna speak to them of just some practical things that you would encourage them to do?
• 52:39
  SPEAKER_00: Oh gosh.
• 52:41
  SPEAKER_00: I think that I don't I think that um well, I don't know.
• 52:46
  SPEAKER_00: Are you gonna be editing this first?
• 52:48
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, totally.
• 52:49
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 52:49
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 52:50
  SPEAKER_00: Because I don't, I think that in those winter months that we talked about earlier, whatever part of that you put in the in those winter months, I think are just those, it's this natural dry time for us, right?
• 53:04
  SPEAKER_00: It's the time when we are just craving light and help.
• 53:09
  SPEAKER_00: We are naturally paused because our adrenaline is low.
• 53:13
  SPEAKER_00: We're looking at how we want to reset our year.
• 53:17
  SPEAKER_00: I would say for anyone who is looking to experience true rest and true peace, to just begin in small ways.
• 53:27
  SPEAKER_00: First of all, coming to the Lord and experiencing Him.
• 53:32
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and also in finding small things that allow you to delight your soul in the Lord.
• 53:40
  SPEAKER_00: So one thing I don't know if I've even talked about this very much in the launch scene for the book is that um the pre-orders that are available all the way up until January 8th for the book are there's one that is uh Make My Life a Psalm prayer journal, and the other is called the Flourishing Heart Planner, and it is for the winter months specifically.
• 54:03
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm just as excited about those two products as I am the book because they really accompany in it, accompany it.
• 54:12
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so the first is the Make My Life a Psalm prayer journal, and it goes through the psalms and guides you through reading a psalm, reading it again, and writing it out, and looking at the curve of the psalm.
• 54:27
  SPEAKER_00: That's one of those turns of phrase that I write about.
• 54:32
  SPEAKER_00: We're able to go, here's a psalmist like crying out in agony, like bringing these things to the Lord and creating your own prayer with that psalm as a framework for your own heart.
• 54:45
  SPEAKER_00: Because I think that what God has given us in the psalms is not a blueprint per se, but a really beautiful example of how to carry our hearts into his heart.
• 54:56
  SPEAKER_00: And um, and we have much to learn from the way that we can do that vulnerably.
• 55:02
  SPEAKER_00: And so to be able to say, here is um a pattern that I can follow to be able to begin to engage my heart fully with God's, to be able to um seek him, to be able to ask for forgiveness from him, to be able to pour out these deep fears and questions that I have, the even questions about his goodness and who he is, the psalmists get very real and very um very deep in the way that they do that.
• 55:35
  SPEAKER_00: And I think that what happens is that in that middle space of a sila, in that space of a pause, is where God is able to allow to give to us and we receive from him.
• 55:48
  SPEAKER_00: You know, one of the quotes I have in the book is rest begins with receiving from a person.
• 55:54
  SPEAKER_00: Like it is about ultimately Christ is our rest and is our portion and our joy, but we cannot rest if we don't have our hands open and ready to receive from God.
• 56:06
  SPEAKER_00: And so I think that when we learn how to carry our hearts to him and our words to him in our prayer life, that can be really huge.
• 56:15
  SPEAKER_00: So that is a really, I'm so excited.
• 56:18
  SPEAKER_00: It's a digital copy is free to anyone who orders the book, or maybe you have to, I don't remember if you have to order one or two, but it's available, they're all available.
• 56:27
  SPEAKER_00: And then the other is the flourishing heart planner, which is also free for pre-orders.
• 56:33
  SPEAKER_00: And it is all about looking at and this looking at how we love God with our whole heart, soul, mind, and strength.
• 56:42
  SPEAKER_00: So, what is our plan for how we're gonna shape our affections in the new year?
• 56:47
  SPEAKER_00: What is our plan for how we're going to engage our soul in the in our personalities and the ways that we delight our hearts in in God and all He's given us?
• 56:57
  SPEAKER_00: What's our plan for our minds in the coming year and what we'll read, what we'll take in, what ways we'll grow, and then in our strength, both our physical and emotional capacity.
• 57:08
  SPEAKER_00: And so I'm really excited about that because it's sort of um a way for us to be writing and planning with God as we pause.
• 57:18
  SPEAKER_00: Um so and it lets us sort of launch into this whole idea in a practical way.
• 57:24
  SPEAKER_00: So it's not just this, you know, oh let's see love, this food.
• 57:38
  SPEAKER_01: Um take the idea and take the message and then put it into practice.
• 57:44
  SPEAKER_01: Because if we don't put it into practice, it's never gonna happen.
• 57:47
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 57:48
  SPEAKER_00: It's so funny because um my publisher actually came up with the subtitle of the book.
• 57:54
  SPEAKER_00: No way.
• 57:54
  SPEAKER_00: And yeah, isn't that funny?
• 57:56
  SPEAKER_00: And the more and more that my heart has um just prepared and been expectant for how to launch the book into the world, the more I have come to be so thankful for that word practice, practicing for the simple practice of peace.
• 58:14
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, even the church that we started to attend in Portland um has a website called Practicing the Way, and it's all about how we practice the ways of Jesus together in community and individually.
• 58:27
  SPEAKER_00: And I think that um that that word for me is that is the way that we're able to say, okay, I want to receive from you Jesus.
• 58:37
  SPEAKER_00: I want to take hold of the rest that you offer, the peace that you are giving in yourself, and begin to have that become a practice in my life.
• 58:47
  SPEAKER_00: And there's something that's hopeful in that too, because it's not I'm perfecting peace in my life or I've achieved peace in my life.
• 58:57
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 58:57
  SPEAKER_00: We're practicing this together.
• 59:00
  SPEAKER_00: It is a process for all of us, it's a journey for us, and it's something that you know, we just little by little each day it becomes more of who we are, and we're further transformed to be like Jesus as we spend time with him.
• 59:13
  SPEAKER_00: And so I hope that that's encouraging the people to know that when we look at the new year and our goals, it's not these are the things that I will become in 2018.
• 59:24
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 59:26
  SPEAKER_00: But this, but I will begin to practice peace in 2018 because that I think will change that shift and even our expectations and makes it approachable and accessible to us.
• 59:39
  SPEAKER_01: Oh yeah.
• 59:40
  SPEAKER_01: Oh man.
• 59:41
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, this is so good, Kristen.
• 59:43
  SPEAKER_01: I know.
• 59:44
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, it is obvious.
• 59:46
  SPEAKER_00: I love talking to grown-ups.
• 59:50
  SPEAKER_00: That's good.
• 59:50
  SPEAKER_00: My husband came home to help put the baby down for his now.
• 59:54
  SPEAKER_00: It was one of those days where it was just so much screaming and craziness.
• 59:59
  SPEAKER_00: And I thought, oh my gosh, I get to go talk to a grown-up.
• 1:00:05
  SPEAKER_01: I know.
• 1:00:06
  SPEAKER_01: I've been so excited about this.
• 1:00:07
  SPEAKER_01: Thankfully, the weather's been nice enough.
• 1:00:09
  SPEAKER_01: We have a little, you know, 60-degree day in the you know, middle of winter, but that's amazing.
• 1:00:14
  SPEAKER_01: So the kids are down the street playing and they haven't come barging through the garage door.
• 1:00:18
  SPEAKER_01: So I'm really glad.
• 1:00:20
  SPEAKER_01: Is that where your podcast studio is?
• 1:00:22
  SPEAKER_01: It's now in my home.
• 1:00:23
  SPEAKER_01: We were able to start at a church location in their basement green room or like sound studio, and it was fantastic.
• 1:00:30
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I mean, admittedly, the drive and the you know, trying to figure that out got a little crazy, but um so this year, so we've been homeschooling and this is our first year, not homeschooling.
• 1:00:42
  SPEAKER_01: So we typically they're um 11, almost 10 and 9.
• 1:00:47
  SPEAKER_00: So I mean, or seven, sorry.
• 1:00:50
  unknown: Yeah.
• 1:00:51
  SPEAKER_00: 11, 7, and 9.
• 1:00:52
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, wait, 11, 9.
• 1:00:53
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 1:00:54
  SPEAKER_00: 11, 11, and a nine-year-old.
• 1:00:56
  SPEAKER_00: So have birthdays in March.
• 1:00:58
  SPEAKER_00: Oh right there.
• 1:00:59
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so we had yeah, we have a December and March 1st.
• 1:01:02
  SPEAKER_01: So um, they were 14 months apart.
• 1:01:04
  SPEAKER_01: So you but you had Irish twins then, didn't you?
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  SPEAKER_00: No, no, no.
• 1:01:08
  SPEAKER_00: They're um they're two years apart.
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  SPEAKER_00: Two years, okay.
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  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_00: They're March March 10th and March 11th.
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  SPEAKER_00: So my son loves to tell people, my mom was going into labor on my birthday, but she put my little sister in so she could be with me.
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  SPEAKER_00: Which is kind of true.
• 1:01:26
  SPEAKER_00: I went into the doctor at like 8 a.m.
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  SPEAKER_00: the next morning and they said, We'll see you at the hospital in 10 minutes.
• 1:01:32
  SPEAKER_01: Oh my goodness, that's so fun.
• 1:01:34
  SPEAKER_00: I love it.
• 1:01:35
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I just, I really just, you know, when they're two years old, it's like the first birthday where they have any idea that it's their birthday.
• 1:01:42
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 1:01:42
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: You know, the first birthday party is all about the mom and dad.
• 1:01:46
  SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
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  SPEAKER_00: And the baby is just sort of there.
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  SPEAKER_00: And yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: The second birthday, especially in a family with older siblings, like they know it's their turn.
• 1:01:56
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
• 1:01:56
  SPEAKER_01: They've been watching it.
• 1:01:58
  SPEAKER_00: I was totally traumatized at the idea of like not being there with him on his birthday.
• 1:02:03
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:02:04
  SPEAKER_00: I was, I was totally going to labor the whole day.
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  SPEAKER_00: I mean, thankfully it was slow.
• 1:02:10
  SPEAKER_00: Right, but still.
• 1:02:12
  SPEAKER_00: But now all these years later, I'm like, gosh, it is really hard to turn around and redecorate the house with a girl birthday the next morning.
• 1:02:20
  SPEAKER_01: It would have been easier if you just have them on the same day.
• 1:02:23
  SPEAKER_01: Absolutely.
• 1:02:24
  SPEAKER_01: No, you have your work cut out for you, and I'm sure you make it super special, but it's that is really tough.
• 1:02:30
  SPEAKER_00: And yes.
• 1:02:32
  SPEAKER_00: We do do birthdays pretty big.
• 1:02:34
  SPEAKER_00: We used to do the toothberry pretty big too.
• 1:02:36
  SPEAKER_00: And yes, I mean, there's just those things like uh when you have five children and they each have what 24 teeth, like hundreds of teeth, and we started out with like little notes, and we kept like glitter pens, like those little gel pens with glitter, and we made it a whole thing.
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  SPEAKER_00: I love it.
• 1:03:01
  SPEAKER_00: You can do a birthday, you can swear for that.
• 1:03:05
  SPEAKER_01: That's awesome.
• 1:03:06
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, actually, that's so funny because one of our favorite books we read last year was about all the tooth fairy traditions around the world.
• 1:03:14
  SPEAKER_01: It was kind of like he did a geography, you know, stint last year focused.
• 1:03:18
  SPEAKER_01: And anyway, totally random.
• 1:03:20
  SPEAKER_01: But you know, I learned about all sorts of traditions that I'm like, yeah, I think I failed in the tooth fairy department.
• 1:03:25
  SPEAKER_01: I think by the third one, I don't think he ever believed in the tooth fairy.
• 1:03:29
  SPEAKER_01: So like, oh well, I tried.
• 1:03:33
  SPEAKER_00: I know.
• 1:03:34
  SPEAKER_00: My kids are always like, oh, the tooth fairy didn't come, and we're always like rushing to their bed.
• 1:03:41
  SPEAKER_00: Shoot.
• 1:03:41
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, you were just sleeping on your pillow, Funny.
• 1:03:44
  SPEAKER_00: You sleep in the pillow.
• 1:03:46
  SPEAKER_00: Check under the pillow.
• 1:03:48
  SPEAKER_00: Check on your floor, maybe it's all on the floor.
• 1:03:51
  SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
• 1:03:52
  SPEAKER_00: Right outside your door.
• 1:03:54
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, oh, I love it.
• 1:03:56
  SPEAKER_00: So yeah, it's awful.
• 1:03:57
  SPEAKER_00: But birthdays we've been able to make just fun.
• 1:04:00
  SPEAKER_00: My mom always put up streamers on our bedroom door, and so we'd have to walk through streamers that morning.
• 1:04:07
  SPEAKER_01: Absolutely.
• 1:04:08
  SPEAKER_00: And then whatever color we loved, you know, would be the streamers and balloons.
• 1:04:12
  SPEAKER_00: And we have birthday breakfast at our house, so it's like cinnamon rolls or something fun.
• 1:04:17
  SPEAKER_00: Um, yes.
• 1:04:18
  SPEAKER_00: And the birthday um boy or girl gets to drink orange juice out of a wine glass.
• 1:04:25
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, that's awesome.
• 1:04:29
  SPEAKER_00: And we pull out China just for their plate and like tie bows and balloons around their chair.
• 1:04:35
  SPEAKER_00: And it's pretty simple, but you know how that is for a mom.
• 1:04:39
  SPEAKER_00: After a birthday, you just want to go to bed.
• 1:04:41
  SPEAKER_00: And then for me, I'm like, oh my gosh, I have to stay up until my phone's.
• 1:04:46
  SPEAKER_00: Now that my kids are getting older, I'm like, you guys, it's nine o'clock.
• 1:04:50
  SPEAKER_00: I'm so tired.
• 1:04:51
  SPEAKER_00: Go to sleep.
• 1:04:52
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I think that would be the hardest thing, being a mom of teenagers and then a baby.
• 1:04:57
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, the you're burning the candle at both ends, like truly up through the night, but then up late.
• 1:05:03
  SPEAKER_00: This will be the first place that I say this anymore publicly, but I actually do have adrenal fatigue.
• 1:05:08
  SPEAKER_00: Um, bless your heart.
• 1:05:10
  SPEAKER_00: It's one of those funny things where I'm fine, but my naturopath is like so.
• 1:05:16
  SPEAKER_00: We need to help you.
• 1:05:18
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:05:18
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm like, isn't this just how every mom feels?
• 1:05:21
  SPEAKER_00: No, no, it's not.
• 1:05:22
  SPEAKER_00: This is Oh, bless your heart.
• 1:05:25
  SPEAKER_00: But I think that it's just the way it goes, right?
• 1:05:28
  SPEAKER_00: Like we all get tired and I know.
• 1:05:31
  SPEAKER_01: Well, and worn down.
• 1:05:32
  SPEAKER_01: And then now you're so you're that's why you're not doing coffee, which I'm not doing coffee.
• 1:05:38
  SPEAKER_00: Oh man.
• 1:05:39
  SPEAKER_00: And I still haven't been able to kick that first cup in the morning, but I'm I'm stop in the afternoon.
• 1:05:45
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:05:45
  SPEAKER_00: Good for you.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's tough though.
• 1:05:48
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:05:49
  SPEAKER_00: It is, and I just love it.
• 1:05:50
  SPEAKER_00: I live in the Pacific Northwest, so you know, it's part of our life and culture here.
• 1:05:55
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 1:05:55
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, it is.
• 1:05:56
  SPEAKER_01: No, I mean, to me, it's like I mean, I eat I d would still drink.
• 1:06:00
  SPEAKER_01: Decaf because I just like coffee and it's just my sister does that.
• 1:06:04
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, she just drinks decaf even in the morning, and she I'm amazed.
• 1:06:07
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I think still if I don't drink some in the morning, so yeah, I think that means I'm addicted because I'm like well it's slow slow ween.
• 1:06:17
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, nothing you know traumatic here or anything.
• 1:06:20
  SPEAKER_01: We don't need any penis tea from the coffee withdrawal.
• 1:06:25
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:06:25
  SPEAKER_01: Um yeah, there'll be another prayer point that I'll be praying for you in all of this.
• 1:06:30
  SPEAKER_01: Like you're amazing.
• 1:06:33
  SPEAKER_01: I love it.
• 1:06:34
  SPEAKER_01: I so thank you, thank you for this time.
• 1:06:36
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm just excited for your book to you know get in the hands of really thousands.
• 1:06:41
  SPEAKER_01: How about let's just say millions of people?
• 1:06:43
  SPEAKER_01: I think millions of people need the message.
• 1:06:46
  SPEAKER_01: And I know like it's just not about the sales, but like the people who genuinely can be blessed and be changed and go through it.
• 1:06:54
  SPEAKER_00: So I feel like it's just such a fun month.
• 1:06:58
  SPEAKER_00: I'm getting to be the hostess of this giant party, and it's really great because um, like I mentioned, there's great friends that are such a sweet example of how to do that without totally falling apart.
• 1:07:12
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, and yet um, it's just so busy now in this world, but yet um it is just so fun.
• 1:07:21
  SPEAKER_00: It's so fun to get to to get to welcome everyone into this thing that's been going on.
• 1:07:27
  SPEAKER_00: Where you're doing a beautiful job for a long time.
• 1:07:30
  SPEAKER_01: Yay! Well, I got to meet you, and I'm so grateful for that, and I hope that we can keep the conversation going maybe on Boxer.
• 1:07:37
  SPEAKER_00: So I hope so.
• 1:07:38
  SPEAKER_00: Come find me over there.
• 1:07:40
  SPEAKER_00: I'd love it.
• 1:07:40
  SPEAKER_00: You sure will.
• 1:07:41
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you, Kristen.
• 1:07:43
  SPEAKER_01: Have a wonderful evening.
• 1:07:44
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 1:07:45
  SPEAKER_01: You too.
• 1:07:46
  SPEAKER_01: Bye.
• 1:07:48
  SPEAKER_01: Don't you just want to keep talking and listening?
• 1:07:51
  SPEAKER_01: Obviously, I did, and I still do.
• 1:07:54
  SPEAKER_01: I am so grateful that even with her full life, she took some time to share with us.
• 1:07:59
  SPEAKER_01: You can find out more information about her and other great information like what she shared here, a lot of depth and wisdom from A Voice of Friendship at her blog and all things social as Kristen Kill.
• 1:08:12
  SPEAKER_01: And that's Kristen with an E.
• 1:08:13
  SPEAKER_01: You can find all the ways to connect with Kristen in our show notes.
• 1:08:16
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• 1:08:26
  SPEAKER_01: Before we say goodbye until next week, I want to share a little bit about what we're looking forward to this year.
• 1:08:32
  SPEAKER_01: Once again, I have to mention how grateful both Ashley and I are to do this podcast.
• 1:08:36
  SPEAKER_01: I first need to thank my wonderful husband Spencer for his support and encouragement of this crazy adventure.
• 1:08:42
  SPEAKER_01: He has really helped me be obedient to the Lord in this journey, and I have to say, I wouldn't have followed through with it if it wasn't for his support.
• 1:08:49
  SPEAKER_01: So thanks, babe, for being my most faithful listener and downloading each of my 34 podcasts so far.
• 1:08:56
  SPEAKER_01: Ashley and I kept really busy these last several months recording a couple months' worth of weekly conversations we are super excited to share with you all.
• 1:09:04
  SPEAKER_01: A few to be expecting to carry you through your ordinary days of the next few months.
• 1:09:08
  SPEAKER_01: Besides this one, are Beth McCord, also known as your Enneagram coach.
• 1:09:14
  SPEAKER_01: She gave us over two hours, two hours, people, of amazing content.
• 1:09:19
  SPEAKER_01: And I promise I'll break it up into two parts.
• 1:09:21
  SPEAKER_01: So I would keep talking about the Enneagram because I love it so much, but I will save my introduction for that two-part special episode.
• 1:09:30
  SPEAKER_01: So to sum it all up, the Enneagram is an amazing way to discover and understand why you do what you do, and how to move to your best free self, the Lord intended you to be.
• 1:09:42
  SPEAKER_01: We also had an encouraging, inspiring conversation with the wise and lovely Jody Burt.
• 1:09:48
  SPEAKER_01: She is a newer friend and one I'm hoping to that will span many years.
• 1:09:52
  SPEAKER_01: She just released her newest book, Praying the Scriptures for Your Adult Children, but we talk about three of her books and two in particular, which Ashley and I are currently reading.
• 1:10:06
  SPEAKER_01: Janna Munzinger is also a fun, true Texas gym.
• 1:10:11
  SPEAKER_01: She is a publicist for many well-known authors and is going to give us some of the inside scoop for the process of book publishing.
• 1:10:19
  SPEAKER_01: Also, amazing guests like Allie Worthington, Robin Pasley, Lynn Cow, Sarah Brigg, David and Renata Perkins, and so many more.
• 1:10:29
  SPEAKER_01: 2018 is going to be a very exciting year.
• 1:10:33
  SPEAKER_01: And also, if you happen to personally know someone or have someone in mind you'd love to hear on the Simply Wholehearted podcast, we always love recommendations.
• 1:10:42
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• 1:10:49
  SPEAKER_01: So until next week, we hope you find more ways to live simply wholehearted, more unplugged, purposeful, and intentional.
• 1:10:56
  SPEAKER_01: Until next time.