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Secrets, Scams & The Ethics of Magic #278 · The Magic Guys

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They're guys. They do magic. They are the Magic Guys.
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Hello ladies and gentlemen and welcome to episode 278 of the Magic Guys.
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I'm Josh Nubito and to my left is Mr Nick K. That's right, I'm Nick K. Welcome to the show.
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What a banger. You're rocking with the two baldies today. Didn't want to wear
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a shirt. No, I'm wearing a shirt. Didn't want to wear a hat so I could look
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as identical as possible to Nick.
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So it looks like there's two of the same people and then one extra you'll recognize
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that we'll be on a little bit later when we get into our discussion.
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But Nick, how are you doing, buddy? Buddy, it's been a big week.
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Yeah, I had gig after gig, had a university gig last night.
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Really awesome and they've asked me to come back and do a show for them which is great,
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because yeah i would like to get into that university circuit i feel like we
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don't do enough of those or that when they do hire them they hire the wrong
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guys which i can mention but probably not publicly,
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this sounds pretty deep matt hollywood moving on so.
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Okay so you're saying that yeah then they're not hiring someone young and and
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full of energy no it's you know what it's like when you hide a certain type
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of people they might send the wrong person misrepresents what magic is supposed to be,
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like i'd be about so in fact they told me that like we we had a comedian night
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about x like three or four nights like two weeks ago that was saying and there
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was like supposed to be four acts and there was supposed to be magician in there
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the magician decided they weren't going to come it was just like boom so,
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i don't know who it was but I just said to him like yo if you want some magicians
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we're going to represent contact me we have an amazing agency we have guys all
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over Oz more than happy to help so geez what magician just doesn't want to,
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come to a gig that's crazy.
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I could think of a few that's not the way to represent but yeah yeah yeah wow
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all right well god damn it's good to see everyone who has turned up however
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in the chat I can see gear hunt I can You see David, Scotty Link, the boys, Tim Askin.
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These guys know how to do it. And some of you were saying in the chat or in
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the comments, rather, that you're getting jump scared by the air horn because
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I can get a little trigger happy sometimes, you know.
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And to most people, I would say, look, just listen to it on Apple Podcast or
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Spotify because it normally edits out that sound.
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But just for your viewing pleasure, I've changed a couple of sound effects,
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so you're going to hear a few different things. So this is the current one that
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has replaced the air horn.
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Tell me what you think. I think it still sounds like an exclamation mark.
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But again, if you listen to this on Spotify, you probably didn't even hear it anyway.
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But these are the things I'm dealing with, Nick. These bloody thousands of messages
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that come in every week about the podcast.
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It's tough being you. No one ever says, hey, great job. They all say,
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hey, Nick, you look tired. I am.
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That's because they think we're both Nick. That's why.
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What up, Pasha? Oh, Pasha came to see Renan.
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Mccagno as well good show yeah it's great to see uh yeah a good handful of magicians
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came out to see our international guest perform at the theater of magic last week that was bloody fun,
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also i can give a shout out to who a guy i've never met before but we all know
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is a legend is mr shudagawa oh wow we had a couple,
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so a couple has booked me for their wedding in october and directly correlated
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to having seen shootagawa,
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like last year in hawaii at his at his show there they saw his show there they
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got engaged while in hawaii,
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and they told me they were so moved by his show,
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that the card they had selected that night they went and both got matching tattoos
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of the seven of hearts and they showed me and they have a seven and a heart indice on their forearm,
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and i was like what,
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effect did he do that made you want to get the card tattooed on your body and
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the only way she described it was she's like,
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he made my ring vanish and then he pulled my ring out of a seven of hearts,
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and I was like that's quite a sentence and might get that to do as that tattoo as well god damn.
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What a sentence. He pulled my ring out of a seven of hearts.
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Do you think he did like a karate card? So like he punctured the card and then
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the ring was on his finger, do you think?
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It's either that or he's like actually loaded the ring into the layers of the
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card so that like you could tear it open and pull it out again.
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I don't know, but it's something that you don't see or hear about every day,
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you know? It's a great idea.
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Yeah. So.
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So anyway, so they then booked me, but I also gave them tickets to come and
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see the show and they enjoyed themselves and I'm doing their wedding.
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But it's all like traced back to the first show they saw doing a good job,
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which then led to now them wanting to see more and more magic, you know? Mm. Yeah.
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But so between that and performing at universities, I think we've pretty much got magic covered.
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So that's awesome. Indeed. And these are well and good. And these are our stories
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we're currently sharing with you guys. But we also like hearing about your stories,
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which you can leave on our SpeakPipe service, which is speakpipe.com forward slash themagicguys.
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We do have a pipe this week. Who's our pipe from?
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Yeah, buddy. We have a SpeakPipe coming in from our boy, Seth,
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who I'm sure is in the chat right now.
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He has a gig story, which I love hearing of you guys out in the trenches.
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We're going to hear Seth's question. So I have for you guys probably my strangest
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gig story to date. And I'm curious if anybody has had a similar experience.
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I'll preface it with, you know, I try to maintain a certain level of professionalism
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with my magic, as we all should.
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But anyway, I was booked for a 30-minute magic show at this girl's 35th birthday party at 8 o'clock.
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You know, I show up. Everybody is super cool. Like, these are my people.
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I'd never met them before.
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But like I instantly felt like I was friend you know we were all friends and
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I end up starting my set at around 8 15 I do my 30 minute set everybody loved it it was great.
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And I mean just we'll just fast forward to 12 30 I'm in
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their pool in my boxers just hanging out with everybody having a laugh having
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a good time you know sipping tequila and passing the bottle around and like
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they were totally cool with it but I mean I never would have even imagined that I would be,
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anywhere We're remotely close to that scenario.
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And yeah, have you guys ever found yourselves in a similar situation? Cheers.
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Absolutely.
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Absolutely. Yeah. Oh, your mic's off, Josh. Give us an example, Nick.
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What can you tell us? Oh, man. I don't know. I'm trying to think of what I can legally say.
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You do an event and you're wrapped up and they're like, come to us.
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We're going to go to this wine bar. Do you want to come with?
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And you go, sure. That sounds like fun.
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And then you go, and it's on the way home anyway, because I live in that funky,
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cool part of town and then we're sitting there and i'm sitting with said gentleman
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and said wife and we're all having a good time and she,
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runs off and goes for a dance and he and i sitting there and he leans in and
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says something to the effect of like hey,
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you're the type of guy i would love to have,
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nail my wife i'm using polite language and i and i and i said,
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oh buddy like We're friends.
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I would never do that. And then he was like, no, look at her.
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She's like a wild horse. You can't tame that.
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You can't, Nick. This is what you need to understand about marriage. You need to do this.
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And I was like, no, thanks. But.
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You experience crazy things like that. You end up in locations on rooftops doing things.
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You just, nope. Josh?
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Well, let me tell you, it was the year of 2022 and this summer.
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Yeah, look, guests are always going to treat you as their friend and you've
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just like been the star of the night having performed.
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So like there's this like artificial sense of brotherhood or camaraderie that,
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yeah, they can invite you to,
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they always will say like, oh, you can stay and have a drink with us or,
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you know, i've had a couple offer me drugs because they're at a wedding and
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like they're on this they've hired out this whole,
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estate or whatever like yes they have some drugs i'm like whoa this is,
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the opposite of what a good time is for me personally i'm good you know you
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paid me i'm you know i'm good and yeah and you get offers of all kind of things all kinds of things but.
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You kind of i guess you pick and choose your battles right like you know it's not to say you can't,
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do anything after you finished an event like we're talking about a private booking
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or whatever they're all just essentially mates and you might stay a bit longer and,
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play some some uh home blackjack with them or whatever but but i can't really
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say i've done i found myself in any really precarious situations like i think
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also my entire magic career i've been with my partner sandy so I've also never,
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wanted or needed to hang around to like, you know, entertain females or anything like that,
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where I know, like, I'm sure entertainers have gotten themselves into situations by,
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you know, wanting to stay and flirt with the guests and that kind of thing,
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especially, you know, like cruise ships, they had to make a rule,
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like performers aren't allowed to sleep with, you know, cruise ship attendees.
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Stuff like that.
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So I'm sure it all happens, but no, Seth, I have not found myself in a pool
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of a female 35th's birthday drinking tequila. So that is a new one, buddy. Yeah.
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You know, for me, it goes back to what Sean Farquhar said in his Penguin lecture
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many years ago. And he says that you might not ever be a millionaire being a
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magician, but you will live like one and you will have these experiences and
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you will have these stories to tell.
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And I think that this is, from what Seth said in the comments,
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that it is the second gig since becoming single. So that was like a big contribution.
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Okay. It just goes to show that like you are going to experience cool things
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like this. So yeah. Yeah.
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You know, a gentleman that probably could tell us a lot about that kind of stuff
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is, I've noticed, just popped up in the green room. So we're going to welcome him on.
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Ladies and gentlemen, it is your boy, the man, the myth, the legend blowing up at the moment.
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Give it up for Adam Axford.
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What's up, gang? Good to see you. How are you, brother, man?
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Yeah, life's good, man. And I just had a call with someone over in Mexico.
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So sorry, I'm a little bit late for this chat.
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But man, he's a talented guy. I can just see he's got juice just oozing.
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So I'm excited to see where this guy goes.
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Oh, was his name ending in Tamariz?
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It was a Miguel. He was a Miguel. So he was on brand. But yeah,
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it was good to connect. Good to see you, boys. What did I miss?
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Dude, you too. we were just talking about we just had a spectator spectator
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oh my god i'm such a magician we just had a friend in the chat send through a speak pipe of how they,
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did a gig at a 35th birthday female's birthday and then two hours later was
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still at their house but now is in the pool
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half naked drinking tequila and they were asking if we've ever been in those
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situations after an event where you you socially get into some saucy situations,
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absolutely yeah can i share one please buckle up everybody.
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No it wasn't that extreme but essentially i got booked for doing a an event
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at someone's home and it was in a real nice part of town in sydney a lovely
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long townhouse and i arrived and it was this guy booked me and he had like seven
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or eight lads coming over and he,
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had his girlfriend there he lived with and she was like
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supermodel 10 out of 10 like
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just not she's a 10 like no like the actual 10 as in everybody's a five in the
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middle she was the 10 and anyway her friend arrived too and they kind of were
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just loosely involved in the show
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but they had something that they'd been invited to afterwards so when i finished
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this 45 minute hour long bit with the guys
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they then had food arriving And then they were like, well, do you want to stick
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around and come to this thing with us?
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And I'm like, holy shit, like, sure.
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So then we ended up driving my car for some of them. They were all drinking. I wasn't drinking.
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And a couple of vehicles. And we went to this screening for a movie.
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And the movie was essentially someone went out on a catamaran for the day.
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And they turned the clip of their four hours into a 30-minute movie,
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which we all had to sit and watch, which is essentially just dj music and people dancing on the boat.
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So i think we all became uncomfortably unaware aware of how lame this was but
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it was this screening event and there was social bits and champagne happening and all of that
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and then there was another part of the night and a mission and then i started
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to get a little bit bored so i become a mischievous person when i'm bored because
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i'm like i want to make fun so i'm like going and doing tricks for randoms but
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I'm being like really teasy and really pushy and really like
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just probably a bit too much.
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Anyway, someone actually reached out from that event the other day asking if
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I still perform. So it wasn't all bad.
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Yeah yeah anyway there's a
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random one but it wasn't naked in a hot tub so i need to level up my game,
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yeah but you did get a gig out of it so this is it this is it yeah i definitely
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and a free ticket to this event and stuff like it was
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sometimes we got a role with adventure because i feel especially as performers
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we're also like locked into how things need to be and we've got all of our pockets
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in order and our set list is there and if a trick gets deviated from we you
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know like maybe we improv but,
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in our lives i think the real magic comes from just kind of being willing to
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embrace what happens so being open to just flow with the go and just yeah yeah that's,
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important stuff that's been your whole life recently like that's what you're
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experiencing right now like and putting it up online for us to
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to literally see i know you're gonna have to call me mr 50k in a few minutes
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we're getting there i was just looking at that wondering if it was going to
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happen before the podcast.
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But maybe it's going to happen during that's even maybe no yeah i'm at 49.4
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i think it's going to be a stretch i don't have any blowing up at the moment
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but we did have a few like jack bless him he was the biggest hit
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i approached this for those haven't seen my channel i'm approaching randoms
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out on the street at the moment and i just kind of capture the approach the
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trick and in the departure and i got the old
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uno reverse card on a charity mugger so walking past and he was stopping people
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for like deaf charity australia or something and i just saw him vibe his energy
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went straight in for the kill
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and we've got three million views on it people love him it was incredible and,
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if you haven't had a video pop like that i can only imagine what it's like for
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people who get hundreds of millions of views like my friend harrison crane our
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friend harrison at the moment yeah exactly the the comments and the notifications,
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your battery is just diminishing in front of you, whilst,
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the count on your Instagram notifications just maxes at 100 for everything.
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Ah yeah it feels good but it's a lot dude yeah well i've got a gig today i mean
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that's all i've got oh no someone's paying you for your art what a shame well i'm unemployed today so.
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Bloody hell so fellas if i could take point you're probably wondering why i
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brought you all here today,
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last week we were talking we had an interview with the amazing reed ferry who's
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released an amazing product called trident it's a great system in which you're
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able to decipher a single thought of word,
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and one of the things that i kind of took away from that as far as the product
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goes is that it doesn't cross any ethical lines which some mind reading and
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mentalism does so i got to thinking about it and whilst i was journaling,
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i started to explore the ethics of magic and how many facets are crossed and
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in truth i went down a rabbit hole and i got a little carried away so this is kind of a broad,
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thing to touch upon but i feel like it's something we haven't spoken about and
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something worth talking about which is why we brought in foremost expert on
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ethics and mind reading and so forth and mentalism which is why we have adam and of course,
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us two so um.
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Let's get into it because today we're talking about something that every magician
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has whether they know it or not. And it's a line.
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Okay. It's a point to where we say to ourselves, I'm not comfortable doing that.
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For some, it's going into a hub tub. For some, it's not, right? Totally get it.
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For one magician, it might be exposing secrets. For another,
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maybe it's copying another performer's act.
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For another magician, it might be to pretend that you're contacting the dead
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relative of a spectator.
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But the fascinating thing for me was that some of like none of us draw this
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line at the exact same place so today isn't about telling you where the line
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should be it's about asking everyone listening right now,
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to ask themselves, where do you draw yours? And.
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In the spirit of that, I think it's worth asking or identifying what are ethics.
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So let's define what that means before we begin, because ethics aren't laws
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and ethics aren't rules.
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Ethics are principles that help us decide what we should do and not what we can do.
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So I'm going to say it again. Ethics are principles that help us decide what
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we should do and not what we can do because in magic there's lots of things
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we can do but the question is should we,
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so i think this now upon this thought process i want you guys to keep these
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four things in mind which i
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was sort of deciphering as the pillars of what i think hold up the ethics,
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and it's these four things i think you need to ask yourself in each scenario
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that you're performing in.
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Number one, who benefits? Number two, who could be harmed?
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Number three, which is, did the audience consent?
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And the fourth one is, what belief are they walking away from your performance with?
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And I think that those four won't answer everything, but I found that those
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four were the most common threads as i was going through,
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this realm so before we get into kind of a round one of what i was thinking
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about uh presenting you guys with some scenarios are we all in agreeance of
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what that means and ethics mean,
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yeah i think carl jung says it's like the line between good and bad is down
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the center of man's heart right
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so ultimately it's where you sit inside the truth of you and you know,
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you know, if you've done good or bad, you know, if it's right or wrong. Yeah.
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And it's kind of like the, the line you have when no one's watching.
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Right. True. That's a heavy one as well. Yeah. Good point. Very good point.
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So let's do some easy scenarios just to get the brain flowing.
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Okay. Just some really quick, easy ones. So like, where do you draw the line?
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Let's just say that you accidentally flash a trick.
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Do you, do you acknowledge it that you flashed or do you pretend like it didn't happen?
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Personally, I'll make note of it Like, I'll make light of it And not pretend
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like I'm perfect For sure Yeah,
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if you can't hide it You gotta highlight it, for sure Yeah Yeah,
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if you can't hide it, highlight it It's a nice way to draw the line If a spectator
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asks, how do you do that? Like, do you have to tell them?
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And follow-up question If a child asks you that Do you give them a different answer?
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Never tell them, huh? Yeah, a lot of the time my answer, which is true,
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is it's just lots of practice.
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As a sleight of hand artist, I can say that truthfully because that literally
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is the answer. I mean, I'm not going to go and break down the diagonal palm
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shift, but I am going to say it.
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The bigger picture yeah i like to give a slick response like i had a clip recently
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where i'd stop two chicks in the street and they're very very attractive we
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have this lovely short interaction it's kind of it's performing really well
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lots of gentlemen of culture in the comment section let's say
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and uh right when i'm leaving she goes
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yeah yeah we've seen it he's seen it how did you do that and i'm like i did
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it well and then i just leave and it just smolders and of course that's like
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we've used lines like that it's nothing true to unique but it was just a precision
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and a timing other things i'll say is with finesse
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so it's just like using it as a point of analysis of the quality of the performance
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as opposed to revealing methods and that fun little switch is unexpected for
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the person and reminds them to focus on the quality rather than you know how how how but yeah,
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yeah it's more just aura points really just trying to be cool yeah because Yeah,
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it's not like, because like if you were to break down an actual method for them, like what,
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what's, you know, if they actually get the answer they're wanting,
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they're not going to feel better about that.
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Like if I go, oh, well, I did a retention vanish and then I did a steal while
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you weren't looking and, and I have a fake wallet. So that's how I did it.
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You know, they're going to be like, what the fuck? I don't care.
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What they're really trying to say is that was really awesome.
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But they're just saying it like, how did you do that? Like, what they're really
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saying is, oh my God, that was great.
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I think this is a quote about cinema. Sorry, just really a brief moment.
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But it's like how when you're watching a movie, they say the cinema is illusion at 24 frames a second.
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So it's like you're watching this illusion of movement, illusion of the feeling,
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the drama, all of this. But,
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yeah we don't need to go into the mechanics of the camera do we we yeah i mean
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i'm impressed that you know it's 24 frames a second born in 1985 mate i used
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to be able to count them back then.
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Yeah yeah yeah true and now yeah what's annoying is instagram is 30 frames a second,
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but in australia like a dslr camera will shoot at 25 frames a second but instagram
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prefers 30 frames or higher so that's something i deal with but an iphone films at 30 frames anyway,
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what was your next question nick well i was trying to say up the back of your
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previous point sorry up the back of your previous point was that when a spectator
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says like i know how you did that and whether they do or don't,
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like is there a line that you need to correct them is there a line that you need to say,
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no you didn't you're full of shit like what's that,
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well that's a different question isn't it i know how you did it is a bit different
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to how do you do that so sometimes but so they didn't though but they're just saying it,
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yeah i mean i love doing what i've seen eric do which is and i've heard azzy
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wind say he does which is you just give them the prop and you're like all right
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do it and then you let them like cowardly,
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give it that's nice and like you know people say oh yeah i know how you did
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that and i'll be like yeah well i know how to throw 33 pointers in a row but
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try and do it mate like you know it's like
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sure you're like pulling it off in real time that's the magic too so regardless
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of someone's understanding of how
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something works application is something completely different. Yeah. Boom.
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So those are all well and good, but now that we sort of got a mindset as to
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how, like, where a line is drawn, which I think there's a correlation between
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the line being drawn and the ethics, right?
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But I also think that if we're looking at the next point of contention I had
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is that performance ethics.
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So this came to me in a few different questions as I asked myself. So for example,
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Would you fake, would you fake like, you know, being in trouble to get a stronger ending?
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Would you pretend something went wrong? Would you use a fake volunteer,
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a confederate or a real stooge, maybe a secret camera where you cut to a certain
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type of footage as you do a different thing to fool your audience?
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These performance ethics, I have a few different examples.
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Let's just say, let's just use one to, for the sake of discussion where,
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okay. So like pre-show without telling the audience, is there anything ethical about that?
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It's a good question. I don't, I mean, personally, I don't think there's anything
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unethical, but I think the moment an audience can smell that stuff has happened
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before the show, I think it loses a bit of,
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substance, maybe. I don't know.
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Like it's, I think there's something nice about coming out and everything that
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happens is from this moment onwards.
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But like, you know, everything we do is stuff they don't know about.
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So like every method is a thing they don't know of.
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So pre-showing, which they don't know of, I don't think it's unethical unless
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it's because you're healing them on stage and you've given them a wheelchair
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pre-show because they just like struggling to walk, but they can walk.
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And you're like, oh, here, take this.
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And then on stage, you say, stand up. You don't need this chair anymore, which I've seen happen.
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Like that's unethical pre-show.
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But yeah, it's a bit dicey. But from the mentalist part of you,
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what do you think, Adam? Like when you see a mentalist perform,
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are you bummed if you know there was pre-show?
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Are you less impressed or it doesn't matter? One of my motivations for capturing
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the whole routine without cuts and edits is like a direct rebellion to Olds Pearl and success.
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I love Oz, he's awesome, but can I watch his stuff anymore? No,
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because I'm not seeing what really is. I'm just seeing an aftermath curated
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through riddled levels of pre-show. And I'm like, ah, I'm just kind of,
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this is slop for mainstream folk, you know?
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Yeah like i have bad respect to him everywhere he's like no hey like good lord
26:54
man he was performing to the president while an assassination attempt was happening
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like i woke up and looked at twitter and i'm like what's os perlman doing here during this
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so incredible levels of respect for his success this is not what i'm talking
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about but then also we got to look at this right it's like as a magician i grew
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up working in counterfeit
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as a teenager my dad and i ran the biggest dvd counterfeit operation in uk history
27:15
at the time and he went to jail for it so ethics have always been very grayed
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out area for me and like i'm willing to push boundaries and that to
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achieve what i do and in many ways just like setting counterfeit dvds i'm still
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setting illusions that people buy into in order to have an experience that they
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know is not fully authentic
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so it's the same though what i've understood now is i've repackaged the worst
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things so i say lying cheating stealing deceiving and piracy
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those are the things that i operated in lying cheating stealing deceiving and
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piracy and i've repackaged them into something that gets the best emotions from
27:48
people so by doing this now the real alchemy is turning lead into gold right so those are the lead
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behaviors and aspects of our human psyche how can we utilize that to create
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wonder joy surprise amazement hope so.
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The ethics there are okay with
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me because the ends justify the means at times as long as the ends are,
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outshadowing those means and then people can forgive the pathway to get there
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because you're like wow this iphone's amazing it took children in a factory
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to make this holy shit right so,
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at what point do the ends justify the means.
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So it's interesting you say that because some of the things that i had with
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regards to like currently we're talking about pre-show right and,
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the the chats had a few opinions of it and i just want to share a pasha's one
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which says no pre-show is fine so as long as you don't do this line We haven't
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organized anything before, right?
28:45
So that's an interesting concept.
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How there is an ethical way to do pre-show. But the other notion is that when
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we look at the two entities that you, well, you two guys who excel at this particular
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entity, which is social media,
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you know, we will do like a thousand takes and post like the best attempt, right?
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Yeah. There's nothing particularly unethical about that now, is there? Or is there?
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Like, well, the internet is that anyway. It's just curated versions, right?
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Which is why people do sort of crave rawness which is why people will watch a story
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for 30 minutes when people are a live stream or watch a joe rogan podcast you
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know for four hours because you're going to get like an unedited rawness to it as opposed to,
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like there was one video i did as a promo for a zoom show and because i had
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exact scripting and a bunch of tricks that were all set up for the perspective
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of the camera and things that i had to do with flashing and all this it was
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only a minute video but i did like 142 of them,
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in order to get the right one and it came out well in the end but you know it's like,
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i'm lying i'm lying i can't do all of this shit on demand it's long,
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but that isn't the point is it like how many times did it take tony hawk to do a 900.
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Yeah that's that's a good that's a good ass point the more we do those takes
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the more we would hit in the first go anyway it's like with trick shots like i would,
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there were some trick shot videos i would do where i would spend like two days like,
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i would spend not full days but i would spend like i would do an hour session of trying to,
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get the card to bounce off a rubber band to then land on the in the box which
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is on my head and like i would just sit down for an hour it wouldn't happen
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come back later sit down for an hour and it took yeah two days for it to finally land,
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but then the video i made was showing like all of those fails and then finally
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getting it at the end so it was like more of a process,
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video than it than it was like i can do this every time because it would feel
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weird if i was like look what i can do but boom all the time wow have we broken
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any laws to achieve your magical moments?
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No. Well, pickpocketing...
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Yes. Have I broken any laws like defacing property?
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I don't think I have yet, no. But look, I like where this is going. This is your new book.
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How to break laws and alienate people. Yeah. So I did a trick for a little while
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until it was no longer possible. And it was actually released by a guy called
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Ryan Shrix, who's a very contentious figure within our community.
31:34
And he put out an ebook called breach and in true spirit of this someone got
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me a free version of this ebook so,
31:41
i i use that and i downloaded this little app that was a qr code reader that
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was linked to whatsapp and what this effect would enable you to do and oh my god
31:51
i just got this down pat i could have this synced up in two seconds without
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anyone realizing as long as i can hold both phones and i would gesture the two
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right and what would happen is with this one app I would have,
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I'd have to go into their WhatsApp,
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go into the settings, and then there was an option for pairing and you'd click
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it. So it was like three buttons. I could press.
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And then I would say that the real magic with the phones, we think it's the
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technology and the way they connect us.
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And in this motion, I would scan the QR code and get a full copy of their WhatsApp on my phone.
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And I would have their WhatsApp on this other application that had everything
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that ever sent and receive and had my ability to send and receive as them.
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And this is a violation on next level, right?
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And I did this for a very short amount of time, like two months.
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And then what actually happened is
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WhatsApp's privacy updates came through and they would, people would get notifications
32:49
that a pairing had happened and that notification could come through immediately
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in an hour, in 15 minutes, tomorrow it would come at some point.
32:58
So that started flagging and then you just like, okay, this is burned. We can't do this.
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Did i abuse that ability no but what i did do like i'm not even a person who
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like go for a partner's phone or anything i'm just like nah like you get what
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you're looking for you know regardless so you just you have to have those guidelines
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within yourself but i would.
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It was so good i would be able to say i want you to find any friends scroll
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through and have a look and find someone you haven't spoken to and i want you
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to send let's go to and choose a country,
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let's go to and choose a country. And then they would do that.
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And then I would be like, and then I would say, okay, cool. Or imagine you sending
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that to them. And they would, and I'd be like, did you do it for real or not?
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And they'd be like, no, I just did it in my imagination.
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But while they're saying it, I'm typing it for real. And I hit send.
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So I'd be like, imagine sending him a message saying, let's go to Croatia.
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And I would be miming, but I'm actually typing it as if I'm miming on my phone to demonstrate.
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I said, I want you to imagine hitting send, boom, you hit send,
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boom. Did you do that? Was it just in your imagination? It was just in my station.
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Open up and they open up and it says, let's go to Croatia from them, sent.
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So ridiculous, absolutely ridiculous.
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And of course, afterwards, then I would just leave the group and then immediately
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log out of the application so I could do it again to the next person
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but a huge legal issue and one time after a gig at holy moly the classic for
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those who don't know it's a mini golf indoor arena place like a bar mini golf
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place and there's lots of magicians working on rotation
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and i did this effect and the next day i got a call from the boss at holy moly
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saying hey i don't think it's you i think it's one of our other magicians but.
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There's this trick and someone was concerned that such and such such and such
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happened so one of the customers had obviously got the notification about this
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thing, called up there and was worried about the sensitivity.
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And then you've got to start thinking, you don't know what people get up to on their phones.
34:55
Maybe someone's doing something illegal. Maybe they're having an affair.
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Maybe they're discussing some kind of investment and the thought that someone
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else has violated that, that's fight behavior right there. That's like unacceptable.
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So I'm happy I'm no longer doing it but i'm also happy for the lessons accrued
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during this short spell interesting yeah dang,
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yeah that's a lawsuit right there isn't it you know that's a real lawsuit yeah.
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I mean, well done to Ryan for figuring out that loophole to take advantage of
35:29
for that period of time. But yeah, that's...
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I think Ryan's plug is on scams on a deeper level and we all get our influences.
35:38
And I think that he may be plugged into certain networks of like,
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whether it's credit card fraud or scam and utilizing these concepts to perform
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in a more ethical way for magic performance. So I applaud that.
35:48
That's awesome. Like, hell yeah.
35:50
Not that you want to be maybe fraternizing with those folks,
35:53
but also that knowledge is out there being used and these loopholes are being
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exploited we may as well onboard them and do it for positivity instead of for scanning,
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so how many other avenues are there out there and is that really much different
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from pretending a coin is over
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here when it ain't i mean like how do we do those gymnastics in our head.
36:14
Okay so we're jumping around quite a bit there and i think that to go into the next portion to try and,
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get a bit of a narrow beam as to what we're looking at So just to synopsisize
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when we spoke about, I think that with regards to the social media thing,
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there's nothing wrong with capturing your practice, in my opinion,
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and then obviously posting the best one. There we go about that.
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I think the pre-show game, I think Pasha made a good point.
36:37
But if you really want to be able to do pre-show in that manner,
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I cannot recommend enough the Trident system with both Josh and I have been tinkering with.
36:46
Like you could quite literally say them like this word you're thinking of,
36:48
you did not write down. And that's true because you will be able to decipher
36:51
what they did think of without writing it down.
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It added to your arsenal. Just cannot recommend it enough. In fact, I will be doing a...
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Reviewing it and uploading it, my internet's down at the moment.
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I'm running everything off my phone. Just as soon as that's all good to go,
37:05
everything will be uploaded. You guys will know all about that review.
37:09
So that being said, those two entities, let's go into mentalism as a whole.
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So this is kind of where it gets spicy. Like you said, people are doing things
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like they're getting access to your phones.
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But I think that erroneous of method, it's what's being perceived.
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Like I said, the question before was, what are they walking away with the interaction with?
37:28
Are people walking away thinking that you can truly read their minds or that
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you truly have this intuition that you're psychic or do you just never answer,
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what they're questioning josh.
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I look i do it less and less now the older i get the more i enjoy giving a truthful
37:53
answer that's even if it's a roundabout way to what they're asking,
37:58
i mean i'll never say i've read your mind like i'm an alien or whatever but,
38:03
like if i don't want to tell them i'll just say i have no idea like i'm surprised
38:06
as well you know like i won't be like i could sense the blah blah blah in your aura,
38:13
but yeah or give you know oh people give away more answers than they realize but i won't let me,
38:19
Let me narrow this by asking three simple questions regarding mentalism and
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what you guys think is the ethical way to approach it, okay?
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So, if someone wants life advice because they believe your abilities are genuine, should you do it?
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People have asked me silly things like the lottery number or like what horse
38:40
at a Melbourne Cup gig. Right.
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Nothing with massive repercussions.
38:46
Yeah, even that, I mean, the answer is no. You shouldn't give life advice based
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on they trust you because they think you have these powers.
38:53
But even again, I'll say like the Melbourne Cup thing, which is a big horse
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race in Australia, which people bet lots of money on it once a year.
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They'll ask me like, which horse should I bet money on? and I'll say a horse's
39:05
name and I'll be like, are you sure? And I'm like, yeah, yeah, for you.
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Cause what I'm doing is I'm telling a different horse to every person here so
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that one person will be right and will love me for it. And I'll just make a joke.
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But yeah, I mean, I don't think we should give life advice, right?
39:19
Like based off of the powers they think we have. Like I love freaking people out and then not knowing.
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What is going on with us but yeah people have saw it mate even like in my early
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days of clips i didn't share it on the line in the end it was one of my earlier
39:33
bits and then this woman then she asked me and she asked me about
39:37
like will she finds the man to marry and all of this and she was just asking
39:42
and then i just had to be a human with her and i'd be like,
39:45
you know you just need to follow what's true to you and be who you need to be
39:49
and then that person will find you you know This is just like giving human advice,
39:53
but I can't claim to be obviously psychic or anything like that.
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You can be a human. They think you've inspired them in some way.
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They ask something of you.
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And if you feel that you've got your shit together enough to actually deliver
40:05
something positive, then that's a decent thing to do for anyone.
40:11
Yeah. Yeah, I think that you need to ask yourself as a performer,
40:14
are you going to be strong enough to handle such an amazing power?
40:20
Like genuinely. it's like the
40:21
spider-man great power great responsibility people are going to do this,
40:25
i just for the past few this week especially there must have just been serendipitous
40:30
of this podcast but you know i was performing on the friday and this woman kept
40:35
asking me to tell her future and i don't do that,
40:37
right for reasons i don't do that and then,
40:41
at yesterday's university gig there was also a tarot reader there and there
40:45
was a line for him so i went and worked the line,
40:47
and everyone's asking me to read their future and and i was like,
40:52
i don't do that i don't believe in that,
40:54
but i went yeah i could tell your future and like what i go you're going to choose the two hearts,
40:59
what do you mean you're going to choose the two hearts and i just kept forcing
41:02
the two hearts and everyone like what's my future i'm like the two hearts and
41:05
i just kept forcing two hearts in them
41:06
in like 40 different forces that i knew you know and everyone was just like
41:10
ah i'm like that's your future that's as far as i can go i can go for about
41:13
30 seconds that's about it you know,
41:16
and, and that was a very nonchalant way of doing it.
41:20
But that aside, here's another one.
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If someone asks you to contact their deceased father, their deceased relative, should you do that?
41:31
Chat feel free to jump in yeah what you do is you you do that but through a
41:35
sponge ball trick and it's like all right your grandfather is going to represented
41:40
by this sponge ball in my hand and one in your hand is you.
41:46
That's funny that's funny wow no man like this is the i think these are the
41:52
clear dirty sides of that and like.
41:55
Do we think that all mediums are scamming I don't know.
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I don't know. And this comes down when someone asks you, is magic real?
42:05
Oh my God, is this real? Tell me, is magic? Is it actually magic?
42:10
People want to be like, no, it's all tricks. But then I'm like,
42:13
hey, I am a mass of sentient atoms made of energy condensed to a vibration that
42:19
allows the illusion of solids to take place.
42:22
I am representing this imagery through my retina, through light rays.
42:26
It's magic, man. We exist. We're connecting, let alone the technology we're
42:30
using right now to chat across the distance like
42:32
it's absolutely insane and we wake up every day and we just are another day
42:36
i just like brush my teeth and go through the motions like
42:38
like it's miraculous the whole thing that we exist here is beyond no one can
42:42
explain it we just the best guesses we've got is like god or the simulation
42:46
theory right it's like we don't have
42:48
any answers because it is that much of an unexplainable method it is true magic
42:53
it is purest form and then amongst all of that we want to be yeah but
42:56
mediums aren't real you can't predict the future I'm like,
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it's all magic.
43:02
So there has to be some leakage into the mainframe, but from the mainframe into
43:06
the, yeah, from the source code into the experience. There's got to be some.
43:12
Just my two cents that's a great ambitious card presentation by the way.
43:19
But yeah i mean just quickly what what what is your if you had to guess is it,
43:25
is it god or is it simulation,
43:28
what oh man like don't try to sit home kids but like i've had like many experiences
43:34
with dmt which is like the most profound psychedelic experience you can get
43:37
and it's also very non-drug-like, dare I say it.
43:41
So you're sober during the experience. It's a very spiritual and ceremonial practice.
43:46
And in that, you kind of revealed what reality is made of in some capacity.
43:50
And I could just be under the influence of some devilish substance for this,
43:55
or it could be a true glimpse behind the veil. I don't know.
43:58
But whatever it is, I don't think we've quite nailed it in any of our teachings.
44:02
The best I can say is the same way that the nose and the ears are receptors
44:07
for the same body and maybe the nose and the ears aren't aware of each other
44:10
i am a receptor for the consciousness that is as are you and we feel that we
44:14
are separate but we are all pulling into the same thing so,
44:18
i feel that really the illusion is the separation and we are all part of this
44:21
living sentient organism that is existence itself how we got there yeah i don't
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think we even need to concern ourselves with it soak it up and be a good one,
44:32
be a good be a net positive,
44:37
anyway there's my little offering right there clip it there we go there we go
44:42
that will help me get this conference at the end of the year.
44:47
Can i ask an ethic question magicians if you get if a client inquires to three magicians,
44:56
everyone sends their prices back and then you follow up because you didn't hear
45:00
about the answer and they're like oh sorry we've gone with such and such,
45:05
is it ethical for that magician to then still try and get the gig over that
45:10
magician they've chosen via offering,
45:14
a a discount or a bigger package for the same fee is that ethical,
45:21
i think you're kind of grasping at straws at that point i think if you got three
45:24
fighters in the ring and somebody said that this person's won the fight and
45:28
you're going to try claw back at it,
45:30
i mean by all means try claw back at it you know okay i'll give you i'll give
45:34
you an i'll give you a very specific example of i know of what has happened to someone before so,
45:41
they've booked a magician right but then the magician that they also inquired
45:47
to that didn't get back to them gets back to them,
45:51
and knows this person a little bit and then the client's like oh i wish you'd
45:56
gotten back to me i've already booked such and such,
45:58
and then this magician's like oh well just just tell them you've had an emergency
46:03
and and the party's not happening anymore and you know that way you don't have to tell them,
46:09
so then they tell that magician that magician gives them their money back and
46:13
then this other magician does the gig.
46:16
Okay, that's malicious, I think. And it has happened.
46:19
And I would rather lose a gig to a client like that, you know, in truth.
46:26
But yeah, it's, these things can happen.
46:30
Would I do that? No. Do I think it's a wrong thing to do? Yes.
46:33
I think anyone who tries to take food out of someone's mouth is pretty bad.
46:37
That's the best, man. You can't steal from people who are your peers.
46:41
Any theft is wrong, but if you're going to do it, you need to be a Robin Hood in some capacity.
46:45
And you know who hasn't scammed at the checkout counter by accident accidentally
46:51
on purpose you know it's like this is a different war you're going against if
46:55
it's some bigger entity or something you feel that is a degree of oppression
46:59
upon the smaller folk but like this is why petty theft and people stealing bikes
47:03
like irks me so much like i had my bike stolen last year
47:07
the first time i caught the person i caught the person as they were stealing
47:10
it i chased them down the road i pushed them off my bike and i physically harmed
47:15
them so they could not get up and held them down until the police come i've
47:18
got the cctv footage i felt like a hero
47:21
but it's like i just like all of the awful crimes upon our fellow people like
47:26
you can't do that we're all players in this game
47:29
and this is where we are fortunate to live in a player versus environment space
47:34
where all of us are just players trying to get ahead and you help each other
47:37
out against the game of life as opposed to being in a pvp server where
47:41
you're trying to get ahead in the game but then some other douche is out here
47:44
trying to nick your bike bro like so it's like.
47:48
That we need to not tolerate pvp behavior right we're here to elevate.
47:55
That's what that's happening with the gig there like you can't be coming at
47:58
your fellow people like this is this is your network,
48:01
what is it there's a line from a hip-hop song i love it says mama always used
48:05
to say respect your neighbors because next week we might have to check for favors,
48:10
and i was like yeah that's it you never know.
48:15
Yeah well said because i know so many people like i was at magic fest and one
48:18
particular douchebag magician he knows who he is and we're doing our thing and
48:22
he was just being such a douche in the highest order
48:26
and and me i don't know man i just turn the other cheek i'm like yeah man do
48:30
you and then i'm doing my thing i'm setting up for my show and then all of a
48:34
sudden he needs something and he's like oh do you have glue and i'm like now
48:38
you're asking for favors,
48:40
now like you you've been disrespecting me since the moment i walked in the room and i've not said a thing,
48:46
and now you ask for favors you know and then again after he asked me for favors
48:51
three times that day and i bailed him out every single time yeah you know because
48:57
i'm about it and do you think that he would have,
49:00
you know figured it out no he didn't he still was disrespectful the next day
49:03
and the day after and it's like,
49:05
you know says in the book of titus like disrespect me three times i cut you
49:08
off that's exactly what i did so nice yeah and i don't have don't have time
49:12
for him now like it's just like buddy,
49:15
yeah i'm not interested in giving you work don't come to me when you're struggling
49:18
for work don't no it's like no no no you don't get to you don't get to do that you know so.
49:26
So, okay. So we've had the business ethics one. Let me give you one more scenario
49:29
that I feel we might've missed. And that's that Adam Axford's been booked for an event. He's $2,000.
49:36
Can you do it for $1,200?
49:38
You know, like, should you be cut? Like, would you cut another brother's lunch
49:41
or sister's lunch, you know, to get a gig? Okay.
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Now I will be very clear in my, I'll give my response. Yeah.
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Sorry. I'll give my response just to, just to give you some context instead
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of us getting a bit silly about the answer. And I think that ultimately,
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if it's like, if Adam quoted two grand, but we don't have two grand.
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And I said, look, what's your budget? If you go, yeah, Adam's worth every penny.
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What's your budget? We've only got 1200 bucks.
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That's your budget. If that's your budget, I'll take it.
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I think that maybe that would be the only time something like that should flow like that.
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But ironically, if it was a personal relationship like you and I have,
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Adam, 100%, I would do that if I knew the magician.
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But again, I don't take food out of my brother's and sister's mouths. Never have, never will.
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I will never get a gig over you because I was cheaper. I'll tell you that much, personally.
50:28
It's an awful feeling dealing with a client. I got the one that popped into
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my mind and I had this lovely chat with him and we're speaking and I think he
50:34
won even a lot. It was like $1,700 for some Christmas party or something like
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that. It might have even been less.
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And he was then battling against some other people and other performers and then this and that.
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And, oh, we've got another person in mind, but he's got a booking really close to the time.
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So it's wherever he can arrive. And I was like, well, bro, like if you book
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me, I'm just going to be treating your gig with the respect of coming along
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to that gig. I'm not going to arrive flustered. I'm going to arrive there early.
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I'm going to spend time with you. I'm not looking at my watch and leave when it's done.
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You know? Anyway, they didn't go with me in the end. But ultimately,
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if you've got a price shopper, they're also people you don't really want to work with fully.
51:12
I remember like Geraint Clark put out a message a while ago and he was like,
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people book you for three reasons because you're the first, you're the best or you're the cheapest.
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And, you know, those are three completely different markets.
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They want you because you're the first one they come across done.
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You're the best one. You've come recommended by their cousin or they just know
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you're the best. So it's done. Or you're the cheapest because they just want
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whatever's cheap and they're going to get the thing.
51:34
And one of my creative mentors, Chris Doe, he has this idea where he says like,
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all right, you're wearing glasses. I'm wearing glasses.
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He said, let's look at this. He said, maybe you get your glasses from like the
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swap me and they're like $10 and they serve the purpose and they sell many,
51:49
many cheap things and make a success.
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He goes, I get my ones. These are thousand dollar glasses. They don't sell many
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of them, but they're a high quality thing.
51:58
He said, so I view myself offer my service as a premium luxury item rather than
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a bulk discount product.
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And both of those can flourish in this world. You just got to choose which one
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of those is going to best reflect what you want to be.
52:12
And then that also involves holding your ground with prices too,
52:16
right? So that you can have that allure to your performance.
52:20
Absolutely. I mean, to that point, if you want to be that premium luxury product,
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I mean, Steve Cohen was talking about in becoming the millionaire's magician
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perceived as that for his show.
52:33
He's like, you know, I had to learn a big lesson, which is you'll never get, what does he say?
52:39
You'll never get the $20,000 gigs if you're not willing to say no to the $2,000
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gigs. Yeah. Right. It was his example.
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Like that's wild, but 20 Gs. But.
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Yeah, I mean, and you also don't want that story of someone who has booked you
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before for a lower price being at the gig and telling the client they've booked
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you before for like a quarter of the price.
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Or whatever or like just that miscommunication going around of,
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yeah we had him at our fifth birthday party for my kid what you paid three grand
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to have him for your kid no i paid him four hundred dollars what what do you
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mean three you know that would just be a weird scenario but i agree with,
53:20
there's a fat joe line which i've clipped,
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and used a few times for people like that i wonder if i can
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find it real quick and share it with you but it's essentially yesterday's price
53:31
is not today's price and we've got to stick by that sometimes and understand
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that if people want to support our growth and they're going to be there for that then they gotta,
53:41
yeah like thank you like david blaine can you imagine the people who paid him
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a few hundred bucks for a party and then suddenly like you couldn't even afford
53:49
to sit in the audience you know,
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you got to respect that and be like hey thank you for supporting my earlier
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work oh yeah here here we go,
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why does iPhone, not give you audio. Here we go.
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If you're a promoter, if you're doing a rap concert, yesterday is twice.
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It's not today's twice. Ha ha ha ha.
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That's funny beautiful i mean it's been sampled on songs and stuff but that
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is the spirit we've got to keep that within ourselves sometimes yeah and that's
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a great internal thing to have on you to to battle that moment but.
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For what and for what nick is saying if somebody is shopping around trying to get,
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that price yeah i'm i'm very much the same i won't discount just to get a gig
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over someone else like the guys that I do gigs with in Brisbane like we all communicate and
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I'll just openly say like oh did you get the inquiry for this such and such
54:48
as well did they book you because I just want to know whether to stop following
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up you know or like like we're just very open about it and if I know,
54:56
like my friend Mike Tyler he sent me a screenshot he's like look at this idiot
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and it's like the inquiry was literally like,
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Josh Nolbedo quoted us x amount what would your quote be it literally quoted
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my name not realizing that obviously we know each other yeah and,
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if i could speak to that for a sec as well like when someone's doing the ring
55:18
around an age i'll get a call from three or four agencies and i'll just go hey
55:23
just so you know yeah they're doing the ring around just ask them their budget,
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just ask them their budget like honestly you know i guess that point i'm just
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like whatever and what i do what i think ethically is the right thing to do
55:35
is that agent number one gets my normal price.
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When the second call comes, I had a hundred bucks. When the third call comes,
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I had 200 bucks and I propagate that for every time they call.
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Cause I think that's the right thing to do.
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And then the word budget too, is so like made up as well. Like budget isn't,
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how much money they could find in the whole universe if they had to it's just
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like a number they've given to it you know and so i've definitely had moments where i've quoted my fee,
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the company i mean this is a great example i did this this trade show and they
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came back saying oh our budget is only this amount,
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and i'm like okay well like if that's your budget then,
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you know you can have me for two days instead of three full days and they're
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like oh but we need someone for three days and i'm like that's interesting well
56:26
this is the price for three days and you let me know if you want that,
56:30
and then somehow they magically found more money yeah and booked me for three days
56:35
because these places will spend like eight grand on sandwiches and stuff you
56:38
know it's just like the the things they're spending on these events and then
56:41
they're out here trying to short the the artist who's doing their authentic
56:45
thing surviving from doing this and then they'll pay some
56:47
company putting primo prices on the mass-produced thing you know it's,
56:51
yeah that's where the ethics come in, Hammy.
56:53
How are they so willing to stiff the artist? You realize, okay,
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we're the first ones who get it. You want to listen to our music.
57:00
You want to enjoy our artwork, buy our fashion, watch our movies, enjoy our magic tricks.
57:06
But you don't want to download all of it and not pay for any of it.
57:10
It makes me wonder, Adam, with you personally, I wonder if your mindset's changed.
57:15
Because I remember when we first ever met up, you seemed to have a mindset of like,
57:22
not wanting to do much public magic because corporates pay so much to book you
57:27
and you know these people could just pay 20 bucks to come see me and that's not really
57:32
my product but now obviously your whole journey is performing for free
57:37
yeah yeah i think i actually i screwed myself with that mentality for a while
57:41
and essentially like i mentioned uh the chris doe a couple of times my one of
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my creative heroes on his call i got a chance to speak on stage with him earlier of the year.
57:49
And when I got off stage, he said, what would happen if you were that guy all the time?
57:54
And then I realized that I had been that guy all the time for so much of my
57:58
life that eventually that turned into bookings and stage performances.
58:02
And then I started reserving that guy for these paid opportunities.
58:07
And then when, for whatever reason, those bookings dry up, I realized I don't
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have the money from the bookings and I don't get to be that guy.
58:14
And being that guy is what got me there so through this journey for the last
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it's been exactly three months to the date the 21st of april i began this journey
58:22
and i've done 169 videos uploaded so far and,
58:26
ridiculous growth on the channel 10 and a half million views a month on average
58:30
at the moment and that's going to keep growing,
58:32
but this is by getting out and being that guy every day and to be honest i've
58:36
noted such a huge difference in my demeanor my well-being how my attitude is
58:40
how I'm showing up for people, people who are interested in seeing me and stuff
58:44
that I haven't wanted to hang out with me for a while.
58:46
And it's good. It's just like being the main character. We can be the coolest
58:50
person, the most fascinating person on that stage for 30 minutes,
58:54
45 minutes, or the five minutes set of a roving act.
58:57
Carry that energy with you everywhere you go.
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Be that person and just watch your life transform. So now I'm working on generosity
59:04
and gratitude. Just give it all away and be thankful for all the positive interactions that come.
59:09
And I just trust that Carmel will catch up and I'll be fully booked in the next
59:12
few months. Just got to trust.
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Or from Facebook payouts, either one.
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Yes, or from Facebook payouts. Yes. Yeah.
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Incredible. Indeed, wise words, friends. But this is the thing.
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This list that I created, we only got through five of the dozen that I'd written
59:33
down. We are also out of time.
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We might need to continue this in another episode next week, Ethics Volume 2.
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If you guys would like to hear that, let us know in the Discord and we'll continue this chat.
59:45
If you've got some value out of it, please. And if you're a magician and you're
59:49
not part of the Discord, what are you doing with your life get on board it's
59:52
a great community we have a lot of good times i will probably jump on from last
59:58
los angeles i think i land there like first thing in the morning so maybe i'll
1:00:02
take a nap and then i'll jump on at 6 p.m so we can do,
1:00:05
the episode so you're going to la with magic live or something what are you
1:00:09
doing yeah yeah so i'm going to la for a bit i'm gonna catch up with our buddy
1:00:13
derrick hubb friend of the pod and we're gonna see show at the roosevelt we're
1:00:17
gonna pop into the castle. We're going to run amok. I'm going to go hiking.
1:00:20
And then we're going to jump over to Vegas and do Magic Live.
1:00:24
Beautiful. Incredible.
1:00:26
I'll be here being jealous. Yeah. Snap. FOMO.
1:00:30
FOMO Max. Hell yeah. All right, guys. Have a great week. Follow Adam.
1:00:33
I know you already do, but congratulate him when he hits 50,000 followers in
1:00:38
a couple of hours. And we'll see you guys.
1:00:43
Next week. Thanks for listening. It's time for us to disappear now.
1:00:51
But we'll see you again on the next episode of The Magic Guys.