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Looking Back on the Season I Before & After Ep: 93 · Draft Offsides Podcast

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It's too early. We should put a note out.
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It is 8:00 AM. Nate should be popping on any
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minute. Oh dear, we're going to see.
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Going to put a face to the name. I think.
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The A true champion oh is is the real champion.
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It is is the is the real champion right here?
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Nathan Andrew, the only card. Wow.
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Hey guys. Oh my God, I like, I feel like I
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know all of you so intimately, but I don't at the same time.
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That's what fantasy football does you mate.
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That that Slack room doesn't really, you know, doesn't help a
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lot of us. You're more, you're more my
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family than my real family at this point.
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The sounds, the sounds of your voices put me to bed at times.
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Like, you know, you work out the, the squabbles of my life.
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Oh. Man how you doing mate?
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I'm good, thanks for having me. We had to.
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Nate, what was that like 6 months ago?
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8 months ago? And it was like, how do I get on
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the pod? And I was like, well, if you win
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our fantasy league, we can talk about it.
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And then sure enough. That was my sole motivation was
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being able to to get into the the intermingling dynamics of
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your three relationship, which kudos, kudos by the way, I love.
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I love the three of you. I love how it works.
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I'm a big, big fan. Appreciate.
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That All right, let me do the intro real quick because I
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forgot. I always forget to do that.
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Hello and welcome to episode 93 of Draft off Sides.
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I'm with Tico, Enzo and Nate. My name's Keith.
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Follow us on Draft off sides and we'll see you next week.
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And now we can talk about Enzo. I also have a question.
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I have a few questions for you guys.
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Where you go, you go. I was.
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Going to say, how is it that you know I've he was speaking
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fucking fluent Spanish. Oh no, you see the?
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Muse were our comma sauce. The muse were so funny.
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Yeah, it was just like. I'm a Liverpool boy through and
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through blah blah blah, but I've been doing Duolingo for the last
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like in two years. I like did.
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You guys did send the video of like where they're like
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celebrating and he looks at it, he just walks, walks away
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disappointed. They're like.
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That's when he decided to learn Spanish.
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Oh yeah, when he lost in the final, motherfucker.
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But also I was like, he's like, I there was a lottery.
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He's like, yeah, I grew up watching them win 3 Champions
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League. If you're like, motherfucker,
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you're playing in one of those Champions League.
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They won. The one that cracked me up the
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most is like the like it took trend like I don't know like
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weeks or months to speak perfect Spanish whereas it took geared
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bill 8 years to say gracias. That is true too.
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I mean, and that that's something I was listening to
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like the men and Blazers, someone they're talking about.
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They're like like, God forbid you had a hobby, God forbid you
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like learn the language. Like it was like getting so
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pissed at them, but you. Know.
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That wasn't a hobby. It was pretty calculated.
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And this pretty fucking case. Like, yeah, there's that.
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Like linguistics teacher, Spanish teacher was like, it
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takes 12 to 18 months for somebody to be at a basic
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conversational level. It takes 18 to 24 to be able to
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do that. Really.
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That's so funny. Maybe we've all kind of known
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this though, right? Like we've all known that Real
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Madrid has been going for him for a long time.
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We all knew that his contract was running down this like,
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like, I feel like anyone who's acting really shocked by any of
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this is like silly to be like this is.
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I feel like this has all been kind of in the ether for a
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while. For a year like.
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Is it the club or is it the players?
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Because Real Madrid does this so bloody off the.
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Fan base. Fuck you.
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They do it so often. Where Leila go.
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Hey. Hey.
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I saw you play against us. You look really good.
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Hey, your Contra ends in two years.
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If you if you just play it out, we'll pay you.
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I went down this is. That not isn't that tapping?
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To your point, I went down this rabbit hole about many things,
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but one was just about, you know, like general PSRS and how
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much money, the amount that Real gets to save because of what
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they've done with Zimbabwe and Trent is unbelievable.
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It's like you look at the numbers and you're like, why is
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Real Madrid not in the top 25 most like biggest spending
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clubs? And then they make a billion
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every year now. And it's like, how is this
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possible? And it's just what you were just
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saying. Very sneaky little fox.
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Nikki Little Fox. I feel like too they they did
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this at the time when transfers were getting really explosive.
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Like they, they went through a phase, remember like the
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Galactico phase, they went through that and they're like,
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wow, this like kind of sucks. And like then Barcelona did it
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in the exact same thing. Or it just like fails like the
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Galactico thing fails when you like the big money transfers and
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stuff. When?
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When everyone was going through that Phase 1 was like few years
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ago where like Coutinho over 100 million, then over 100 million,
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like all these players were spending a lot of money.
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Realment didn't do any of that. Because they'd already done it
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10 years before that. Like they'd already kind of
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learned their lesson from that, like, you know.
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And there's somebody's in there saying, you know, going to
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Mbappe, going to Trent. Hey, why don't we split the
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difference? I'll give you 350,000 a week.
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You just got to wait this out a year so I get a 0 transfer and
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I'm going to just explode your wages for you.
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Exactly. Well, the and papaya one, they
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were trying to buy them for a long time and then PhD was like
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not refusing to sell them. So they're like, all right,
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we'll just wait it out. It's not like we have a shitty
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team with Venice's Rodrigo Jude. So it's like they could afford
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to weigh them out as well because they do have the talent
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and people do want to go pay for that.
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Yeah, yeah. It's crazy.
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It's crazy. You know, when I saw when I got
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a glimpse of your like obsession or like how like remember there
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was like this one week where like I didn't get points or like
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I had to make a substantial and then I I was thinking.
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I was just having. Fun, you made a let's be clear.
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What you did is you, you sat in a legal lineup right by mistake
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because you, because you do all this weird fuckery tika where
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you like you like leave a guy off your bench.
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You can like pick someone up later.
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I mean like it's and it's back. You accidentally You
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accidentally had too many players in your starting
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lineups, so you got 0 points. I had screenshots so you know.
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OK. And so.
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We're there's like a little bit of a conundrum of like, what do
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I do then as commissioner, I was like talking to Nate and talking
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to Tico and being like, what do you think is fair?
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And then Tico, sorry. So that's this is where that's
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the framework for what Tico's going to say.
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And then. I thought about like doing
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sitting down myself, like calculating the points of this
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and that. I was like, you know what, let
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me just talk my shit and hopefully get salt sorted out.
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And then Nate has this whole spreadsheet Did.
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Everything. No, he did.
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Yeah. Every it's like every
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possibility he's like, well, if you would have started this guy,
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the total points would have been this if you would have started
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like this guy and it. Went right.
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I still would have been young. Exactly.
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It was my my subtle jab. No, I.
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I liked it, he. Probably knows this, but I like
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I guess in school I studied like sociology, so every once in a
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while if I can get into like stats or something, it's like
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this is another example that website.
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I don't know if you guys heard of this.
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This probably like ruined my fall and it has nothing to do
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with fantasy. Like I got no benefits from
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fantasy, but it's like the nerdiest statisticians who love
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football have come together and made this website football
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Observatory. So I just like and it's like
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it's. Called.
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It's in the chat copy. Paste it.
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Yeah, it's in the chat. Sorry.
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Football Observatory. Yeah.
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And that's just one of the. That was the article I was just
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reading, which was like talking about like, but it's just, it's
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like goes super deep into like any topic and like weird
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reports. And I don't know.
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But there's a couple of these that like my partner Maya, she
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would be like, I'd be in bed. It'd be like 2 in the morning.
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She'd be like, what are you doing?
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And I'd be like bug eyed looking like I don't know, I can't get
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off, like I need my face. So.
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Where in Portugal do you live? Well, I'm not there yet.
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Actually. I'm in France at the moment, but
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we're, we're moving. I used to live there.
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So I lived there for a long time, moved to France because we
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had a, my partner and I had a daughter.
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And then I'm moving back in like the next month in Lisbon.
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Oh, do you go to a lot of football matches there or try
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to? To be honest, when I was there
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the most, I actually was living in Porto for the long for the
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biggest chunk. So I was like trying to get into
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Porto, like FC Porto. But actually, again, a weird jab
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at Real Madrid. Like I hate Pepe so much that I
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just like couldn't get into Porto.
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But tickets are actually they're kind of it's weird.
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They're hard to get for Ben Chica and Sporting because
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they're affordable. Yeah, actually there's a there's
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a work around apparently. It's like if you have a company
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you should like really try and buy a box because you can get a
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box for like 3 grand a year a year.
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That's like amazing. That's like 1 ticket to see the
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the Lakers. Exactly.
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And it's like you get like, whatever eight seats, you get
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all the Champions League games. Sure.
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But let's. So if you can like split it with
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friends, I guess that's kind of the play.
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I have a friend who's from Portugal and he was saying that
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a lot of it too is that there's like, there's, you get it.
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Like parents will give their kids like a season ticket when
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they're young and then just like they'll have it the rest of
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their like life, you know what I mean?
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So there's not a lot of just like tickets floating around or
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something. Yeah, it's like when I was.
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Just going to say it's like the Green Bay Packers in that way.
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You know the wait list to get season tickets is like 50 and.
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When I was in Lisbon we just walked to the stadium and bought
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tickets there. But this is when Nanny was
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played there. Like 2016 maybe?
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I don't know 17. No, I mean, yeah, I mean, maybe
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and maybe you still should be able to.
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I'm not sure. I know my a couple of my friends
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too have tried, but I don't know, maybe just I had a
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question for you guys though, and I was going to see if tiko
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tiko. You don't necessarily, I don't
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think you've skinned this. So it was a question that other
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people have asked, but I was really interested in your guys.
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Who had a better season, Chelsea, Arsenal or Tottenham
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and why? On to.
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This one. You go.
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On to this one game. Because you don't have skin in
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the game, I think you should go first.
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And yeah, maybe. Tottenham had the better year.
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Because explain why. Because from Arsenal didn't win
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anything. You finished second.
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Good job. Chelsea won the Conference
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league. OK, from and then top four thing
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one year apart. Top, top.
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OK, great. You finished software to play in
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the Champions League. Tottenham's in the play in the
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Champions League. So they get the Champions
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League. They also have the from all the
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trophies, those to be clubs won. They have the they won the best
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trophy because at the end of the day, you you play to win the
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game and you want to play to win trophies.
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But there is, I think, I think you have to cut a caveat.
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That would be the amount of suffering that Tottenham fans
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how to endure this year. Where's not that's not.
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They fucking knew. It's this was a higher level of
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suffering than you'd normally endured, like in a, in a season.
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And you, you can't say that's not true.
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I think that's how you showed up here with that dead look in your
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eye. You can't tell me that's.
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Not true. That wasn't that.
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Was how many times did you fire? Edge but fucking so many times
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but and then. Yeah, you suffer, but at least
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at the end of the day you win a trophy.
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So the suffering was worth for something.
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You know, it wasn't like for, you know, like every other year
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where they suffer and win nothing Jack shit.
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So look but like. It's look at Sir Guy.
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He's not even there. You're like.
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Nate, Sergei, I don't know if you know my brother.
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He's an Arsenal fan. He produces this thing so.
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Pleasure, dude, what's up? Yeah, he, you know, he
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celebrated. I mean, what did Arsenal
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celebrate this year? Like, let's be honest, beating
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Real Madrid was their biggest accomplishment.
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Yeah, I don't, to be honest, I don't think I would say Arsenal.
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I even tried to find some weird statistic to be able to try and
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prove it that I don't even believe.
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But if you want it I I can I can tell you it.
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Oh no, no, please, I'm listening.
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OK, so here's again my craziness of rabbit holes.
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I was like, maybe the only way it actually benefited Arsenal is
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you get certain amounts of money for finishing in certain places.
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So in the Premier League every position is 3,000,000 more so in
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PSR we essentially compared to Tottenham would have gotten
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whatever the difference was, right?
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3,000,000 times. What did you finish, 17th or
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16th? 17th. 17th, so 17th times 3,
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whatever that is. That's how much more money.
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And then in in Champions League, the farther you go, same thing.
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So like if you win Champions League, you get €100 million or
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whatever it adds up to be. So I like I did the math and for
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if you compare Arsenal to Tottenham, even with Tottenham
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getting 30 million for living the Europa Arsenal.
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How high performing, Yeah. Arsenal got like way more money
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technically but if also if you go under that logic then
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technically Chelsea. Chelsea got the bill the best.
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So why? Why?
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Because they wait. Because they won Conference
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League and they got fourth. Yeah.
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Technically, yeah, let me. Technically, Chelsea would have
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gotten the most revenue just from those two.
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Yeah, not from everything else. OK.
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Here, here's my take on is like Tottenham was the the highs were
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the highest of out of any all three of those teams, right?
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And the lows were the lowest, right?
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You guys see my screen? Yeah, so this is how much they
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got. And this is just from the
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Premier League. Though, right?
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This is just Premier League, yeah.
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And this is how much 130? 130 So what?
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It's so. So you add that 30 million, it's
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160. 177 Yeah, so. 7. 81780 million less, yeah, so.
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So what I'm hearing is because I came second in one league and
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got more money than Tico, who got first in the other league, I
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had a bear season than Tico. Exactly.
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You can keep that fucking small Ostrobles.
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You got 2. Trophies.
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You got 2 trophies also, what do you what do you guys buy?
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There's there's two tangents to this if we are going to really
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go rabbit holes. So the second was and again,
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this is very much I can get into actually why I'm kind of getting
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annoyed with Arsenal fans. If you guys want to know that
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too, but one of them is like the one of the big YouTube ones
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AFTV. One of their their theories,
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which I is, is the Europa isn't what it used to be because of
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the new Champions League standards.
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So they're kind of like shitting on the Europa.
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How do you react? I've had it.
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I mean, they'll say that until they win it, right?
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And then it'll exactly the best thing ever.
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But I I also remember them get into a final.
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Do or don't? Did you?
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No, I remember Arsenal against. Didn't they get to a Europa
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final? I think so.
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Yeah, Yeah, yeah. Yeah.
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Did you win that final? No.
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But so it's awesome. No but but.
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Because Mercataria wasn't allowed to play.
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That's why we didn't. Win.
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We wouldn't beat you anyway. Shut.
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Up Sergey, we wouldn't beat. You anyway, but hold on, here's.
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Here's. Let's get the argument right
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though, because here's here's what they they claim is if
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Arsenal had if you guys had the same format that the Champions
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League currently is in, you would have had to have played
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half the teams that were in the Champions League.
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So could yeah, the draw, the teams that dropped down, but I I
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OK, here's my take is I think that's it's so much better for
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the sport to not have that happen because you don't like
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because then all of a sudden these you have you got like new
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winners, you got like like people that are in Europa League
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that have qualified Europa League.
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It's like the same group of the pool of talent that all of a
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sudden is going and playing and so then.
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Often, but half of that, someone from like the Champions League
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that dropped off to Europa won it.
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I feel like it's really wasn't. What was it you?
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Don't even know because you're a Real Madrid.
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You never drop down have. You betted.
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In your real when Chelsea won, when Chelsea won it, when
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Chelsea won it, they dropped down.
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When Chelsea won it, they dropped down.
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Then. But here's the other argument
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though. PSG had such a bad start the
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Champions League. If it was still the group stages
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they wouldn't have gone through and they still won the Champions
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League. Does that make him any less of a
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winner? Well, they they actually changed
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the Champions League format because the top four teams in
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the like the standing part, all of them got eliminated.
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So they want to change it so they they get more of like a
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advantage somehow I guess the home and away they get the first
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in the first alter out the tournament.
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Well, it's a fact though. It's the one.
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The Europa. Yeah, yeah.
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Yeah, it's a legitimate, although we did.
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Here's Here's a Let's just start teams that dropped out of the
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from the UCL and won the uel the same season. 99 Two thousand
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Galatasaray 2001 2002 Feynwood Feynwood 2008 2009 Shakhtar
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Donetsk 2012 2013 Chelsea 2015 2016 Sevilla 2223 Sevilla 3456
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OK, not as many as I thought. Yeah, because and also like what
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you think about like Sevilla, Yeah, they dropped down, but
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they're not a powerhouse. The Turkish teams are not
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powerhouses that want it. So Chelsea, OK.
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Now Chelsea is the only one you maybe consider a powerhouse of
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that at the time 20/12/2013 I would there is champions A-Team
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to to. Clarify.
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I should have said this preference.
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I think it's kind of a a bullshit argument saying that
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the Europa League is watered down.
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I think that's like a bit of a cop out.
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It's a bit of a like yeah, AFTV bitch bitch move in my opinion,
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but. Well, they, they hate, they hate
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Tottenham. I've I've I've watched.
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Yeah, they're just like they're just grasping for straws with.
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That one, yeah. They hate all but all the years
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Tottenham was coming in top four and Arsenal would say the same
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thing. You didn't win nothing, you
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didn't win nothing. Come second three years in a row
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and then Tottenham wins Europa. All of a sudden it's not worth
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anything. It's just, it's just the the
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moment. Nate, question for you if if if
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Arteta goes another season trophy list is the time for him
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to move on? For me personally, yes, and I I
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think it's just a yes. I think it has to be.
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He's gotten five years. He some I was reading recently,
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he's the he's the fourth longest tenure in the Premier League.
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With, frankly, being with. Frankly, OK, which is crazy.
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I yeah, I think actually you know who it was.
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Again, I don't maybe maybe you've been swatched it because
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of the do you guys do that podcast with like Gary Neville
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and Roy Keene and Ian Wright and.
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I doubt that. Actually, I watch, I watch a
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little bit of it, but I watch more of the the rest is Football
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with Gary Lineker. That one good too, yeah.
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Michael Richard, Yeah. Yeah.
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Did you see the one recently? Thierry Henry was actually on
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that one, though. Oh yeah.
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And he talked about it and he was sort of like.
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It's a big building. Yeah, Big building.
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It's a real tall building. He was like a real tall
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building. He'd kind of been like, he even
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thought this year was like, if you look at the history of a
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trajectory, if you even get a lot of backing from a club, if
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you get 4 years, that's like you really should get like 3.
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If you get a fourth, that's amazing.
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So he's in his fifth. If he doesn't get it in the 5th
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like. His other argument was that you
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if you're competing, you get to finals and Arsenal's only been
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in one. Yeah, exactly of.
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Five years or something, or 10 years?
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To me, this is across all sports and just life in general.
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If you're going to replace someone you know with authority,
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with power, if you don't have a better idea of who you're
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bringing in, if you're making it a change for the sake of making
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the change, if you're not improving, I feel like it's kind
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of pointless. So they they need to have a
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manager that they could get for sure knowingly before they kind
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of make the move. Because as bad as unsuccessful
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has been, this is what like what sense of Wenger?
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Like the golden era of Arsenal. Like the best friend you guys
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ever had. Yeah.
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Yeah. Well, and I again, if we really
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want to get in the nuance of it is like I think to your point
19:24
Tico, like I think this the style of play, the systems he's
19:29
built as actually been great. I think the trajectory, I think
19:33
the money, I think the revenue growth, like any way you look
19:36
at, I think it's been really solid.
19:38
No trophies. The thing I looked at?
19:39
I'll share this with you guys in my many.
19:41
Things Chico just said by meeting up three O in the 1st 20
19:44
minutes of that game, they're going to score.
19:47
It's a semi pro team huh? Yeah, they're going to score
19:49
like 7 million goals in that game.
19:51
How many did Harry Kane score? 0.
19:54
What the fuck? Coleman, Sasha, Bowie and Olisa.
20:01
So I was looking at this today because I was messing around.
20:04
This is what you don't see those big clubs ever do that if
20:09
they're going to win. Like you don't see Man City
20:12
doing this. You don't see Chelsea doing this
20:13
like in 2024-2025 if this will actually load, which it won't.
20:18
So this this, so this is most spent and then like the balance.
20:24
So this is the top 25 Arsenals, nowhere on that list.
20:28
How do they go 18 months and they're not in the 20 top 25
20:32
Most spends like last. You just can't do that and win
20:36
in my opinion. And when you look at the teams
20:39
that are here, it's Roma, Ipswich.
20:42
There you see? Yeah.
20:44
Yeah, down, down. But I mean, up here, you know,
20:46
it's like, I mean you're. Dead.
20:48
Yeah, and it's. Just so you look at some of
20:50
these that like that are absolute flopped, right?
20:52
So you don't want to just spend money for the sake of it.
20:54
Like look at West Ham United on this list and how absolutely
20:56
atrocious they've been. So there's like finally that
20:58
balance, you know, and like you look at like Liverpool, you look
21:01
at Liverpool last year where they spent all virtually no
21:02
money and then that ended up being like the best decision
21:05
they could have made. So there, there is a, there is
21:08
an argument to be made that like, oh, if we have, we think
21:10
we have the right team, the right players.
21:11
It's just, but I think for Arsenal, the, it's pretty clear
21:15
they don't have the right team, the right players, right?
21:16
They're in this strike. There's clear out.
21:17
For two years, yeah. Exactly.
21:19
And then just that gold deficit, that gold drought is just has
21:23
been there for a while. Even if they've got like, you
21:25
know, they're well spread out. They just have nobody doing 20,
21:30
no 20 plus goal people. It's.
21:31
Crazy no. Did they have anyone that got
21:34
ten goals this season? No.
21:37
No, not ten goals. No.
21:38
I think with injuries, yeah. Havas was the highest goal
21:41
scorer with 9. When they got injured.
21:43
Yeah, they when they got Havas, were you high on that or were
21:47
you like, why the hell are we getting him?
21:49
Same. I I didn't think I think I think
21:52
I don't know if it's driven by Arteta or someone else.
21:55
They seem scared of going after like big nines or goal scorers.
22:01
And he felt like similar of that of like, oh, he can potentially
22:05
be versatile. He can do like.
22:06
Split the difference, yeah. Exactly.
22:08
Like it's almost like they're risk averse.
22:10
So when they sign them in and oh, they're going to pull him
22:13
into this like hybrid role there is going to.
22:15
Be like he's going to be like a hybrid like midfield striker
22:19
role. Yeah, you know, which didn't,
22:20
which failed, which failed Mr. Blue.
22:22
Yeah, exactly. And now they're putting rice
22:24
into that. And it was also the same time.
22:26
So it was like, was that the. I don't I I didn't see it.
22:29
I'm happy with him. I think he's been.
22:31
I think he's over performed. I love his song.
22:34
Whenever he scores, I sing to Keith the Waka Waka.
22:40
No. Well, go Hey 60.
22:43
Million down the drain have his scores again.
22:45
It's a good one. That's a good one.
22:47
My theory on us or not Tara not buying a striker is if he buys a
22:51
striker and they still fail, then he's it's it's proven right
22:55
that. Yeah, exactly.
22:56
It's almost like he can't bring them further.
22:58
It's almost like his he has had this crutch of not having the
23:02
signings that he wanted for the last like two seasons now.
23:04
And it's like it's time to like put up a shot up from the board
23:07
and you know, like give him, give him the piece that he
23:09
needs. But also they're like, why did
23:11
you spend so much money on all these?
23:12
I feel like you guys spent so much money on defenders last few
23:14
years. Yeah, yeah.
23:15
And I don't know if it's it's, you know, his, where him coming
23:18
from like a 6:00-ish, you know, sort of role if he's more
23:22
comfortable than that. But just like even longer, like
23:25
I mean, like I had Obama Yang, but like pre what successful
23:30
attacking players have they purchased?
23:32
I know soccer has been great, awesome, but who have they
23:36
scouted and figured out and brought in that's actually been
23:39
able to get it across that line and it's.
23:41
Just what like Odegard maybe, but he he came on loan.
23:44
Like, yeah. Yeah, exactly.
23:46
Like like a big yeah, I was different to see it was that was
23:48
a very like slow bit, you know, betting.
23:50
Yeah, and I used to, I used to do the whole like, oh, they're
23:53
not willing to splash the money. But it's like if you're going to
23:56
spend 100 million on on deck, Yeah, OK, you're you're willing.
24:02
What's what's the missing? Like maybe Serge, I don't know.
24:04
What do you think? Think Arsenal rebuilds before
24:07
they fire Arteta because I feel like if this year they don't win
24:11
anything Saka might go so this. Is a drop for sure.
24:15
Yeah, I do. I think the biggest the biggest
24:17
thing would be the two center backs leaving.
24:20
Yeah, So that's why I'm saying if this year they don't win,
24:24
it's it's they're probably going to start rebuilding.
24:27
And I think the culture that Arteta built, I think Arsenal
24:32
prefers that over the team, if you know what I mean.
24:36
It's just you guys forget where Arteta brought Arsenal from to
24:41
here. We forget.
24:43
We were finishing eighth and we were, you know, all over the
24:47
place, not 17th, 8 two years in a row.
24:51
Yeah, yeah. Thinking, thinking that was the
24:53
bottom of the league. We were like, Oh my God, this is
24:55
terrible. Yeah, yeah.
24:56
You know you didn't win, OK. You're like Europa.
25:00
FA Cup. That's true.
25:02
Which is harder to win than Europe?
25:04
Is it? It's harder to win than Europa.
25:07
You are such. You are doing so well, Sergei.
25:10
I was with it all the way until you did that.
25:13
The delusion spikes up. AFTV right here.
25:19
Maybe, maybe. Maybe not in the old format.
25:22
In the new format. He's totally right.
25:24
Yeah, maybe. Maybe.
25:25
Hey, Moneyball. Moneyball.
25:28
Your moneyball. How long, how long have you guys
25:30
been doing this like? We're going to our third season.
25:34
No, this is our fourth season. Of of the Fantasy League or of
25:38
the podcast? Both fantasy like technically 5.
25:42
We took a year break. But we don't.
25:43
We don't remember the first. We don't.
25:45
Count that one. We we do because I won it.
25:47
No one wants to count the year that I won.
25:50
Because because we had a bunch of people that didn't want to
25:52
freaking play, we had Kevin. People checked out after like
25:55
week three, yeah. Because I was dominating so
25:56
badly. After week 3.
25:58
It was the week 3. I I was so far ahead in that
26:01
league, it was a joke. I don't remember it.
26:04
Do you remember that, Chico? I don't remember that.
26:06
I was so far ahead in my league that I had to give away Luis
26:08
Diaz to make it. That's not what happened.
26:13
The podcast we've been doing. This will be our third year
26:16
starting going into our third year.
26:18
The crazy thing we've been talking about the podcast maybe
26:20
like over 10 years, 10. Years.
26:22
Oh man, it started with like 1010 of us from our team.
26:24
At the time we were talking about it like podcast wasn't
26:28
like as over saturated as it is right now.
26:30
Yeah, yeah. And The funny thing is, like in
26:33
our soccer team, like a couple of the people, their wives are
26:35
Snick and others, they were doing podcasts.
26:37
So they had the tools. They know how to do it, but
26:39
we're just lazy. Then out of nowhere, like he's
26:41
texting me one day. He's like, hey, like, I'm really
26:42
thinking of setting this up. Would you be down?
26:45
I was like, if you're doing all the leg work and I just have to
26:47
talk, like, sure. Classic.
26:51
Essentially, essentially what this is, is we're putting out
26:55
group chat on the recording it. Again, I'm not just trying to
27:00
blow smoke up your ass, but you guys have a good dynamic like I
27:03
love it and I don't know if you guys relate to this cause and
27:06
Tico, I don't know where did did you grow up?
27:07
Where did you grow up, Tico? I was born in Armenia, moved
27:11
here when I was 9. OK, so Enzo, you bring the like
27:15
cultural side of football, which is cool.
27:17
Like something I can't, I can't even fully relate to.
27:20
I still am like, probably more like basketball in the 90s and
27:25
early 2000s than I can relate to.
27:27
So you bring like that piece, which is great.
27:30
Tico. I love the like stat check.
27:32
It's like my favorite person in the world of like, hold on.
27:37
Yeah. And then Keith, you're the like,
27:38
you know, you're the captain, my captain.
27:40
You're like the Robin Williams. You're like, stand up on the
27:43
chair and keep keep the thing flowing.
27:44
So that's good. I really bad with it.
27:46
Mr. Aragon, over here. I'll take it that.
27:49
The I, I, I don't know when you started listening, but like when
27:53
we started recording this like early on, we would get
27:55
sidetracked so easily and so, so easy.
27:57
And it was just essentially sidetracked was just like
27:59
shitty. That's when like Chelsea was
28:01
like doing shitty. It was just shitty and.
28:05
Chelsea. I love Keep does a good job.
28:07
Keep does a good job of keeping us on track.
28:09
I try. I feel like I feel like this
28:12
episode actually went off the rails a few times, but what are
28:14
you going to do? I think it's like adding a new
28:16
dynamic to it made it on it. Was yeah.
28:18
We got excited, yeah. Well, to be honest, I also, it
28:20
was because obviously you can see that, well, whoever cuts it,
28:23
I, I assume Sergey, but like you can see a little bit when you
28:26
guys do cuts, although it's very well done.
28:28
But I was always curious of like, are you just bullshitting
28:31
for three hours and then you chop it up?
28:33
Or is it like you try and bang it out?
28:35
And I was like, OK, this is a bit more banged.
28:38
Out. Yeah.
28:39
Honestly, I've been getting a lot of the cuts of two hours.
28:41
A lot of the cuts are pretty easy.
28:43
I think for Sergey, I don't think it's that much that he's
28:45
chopping out, right, Sergey? No.
28:48
I'm just cutting Dead Space. I'm not even cutting things,
28:51
they say. Yeah.
28:52
Yeah, because you can tell because.
28:54
Even though you should be watching our back when we say
28:55
something stupid or do something stupid.
29:00
Enzo, like Enzo made like a borderline comment the other day
29:03
and Sergey decided to cut it into a short and we're like,
29:05
Sergey, delete that. And Enzo didn't mean it.
29:09
I didn't mean it. He didn't mean it that way.
29:11
But like the way that Sergey cut that fucking short, it looked
29:14
like Enzo was being like. We're talking about the last.
29:16
We're talking about the Last of Us.
29:18
And he's like, bring back Joel. I'm tired of this.
29:21
There's so much of A romance, I didn't want to see it no more.
29:24
Sergey I love. That, yeah.
29:25
Sergey has all the power he can, just like.
29:27
He does, but he does a good job. He.
29:29
Does Sergey does a good job? Sergey is the the MVP of the
29:33
whole. Thing he was our number 1.
29:34
He was our first fan. Yeah, he's the one who actually
29:37
created our little our little chat room and that's how he did
29:40
it. He just planted the sea.
29:41
Well, we had one without him and then he created one.
29:45
With him in it and we're like in.
29:46
A minute giving like his opinion and like stuff we should do
29:49
differently. You know that?
29:50
You know that guy that just shows up and just hangs out with
29:52
the beer in his head? And then he's just, I'm framing
29:54
pretty. Much I'm.
29:55
Framing. That's what's what's what's
29:59
what's Joe Grogan's guy who's probably like this multi, multi.
30:02
Million Jamie. Jamie, you're the Jamie.
30:06
You're the Jamie. What was I going to say?
30:09
But I I think Sergei's really lifted the just the quality of
30:11
the whole thing. No, Yeah, quite a lot.
30:13
I was also putting in too much work before, like, like the way
30:16
I was editing that we were using this other program and it
30:18
required so much more work to edit episodes the other that
30:21
podcast or whatever. That sucked.
30:24
Fuck up. Awesome.
30:24
How do you and how do you and Keith know each other?
30:28
From right. I went to college with a friend
30:31
of Nate's from growing up. Actually the first time I've
30:36
had. 18 Cut that sucker. Cut that.
30:38
First time I've had, I think it was actually at a we went to AUS
30:41
men's national team game, right? We went to South Korea, US
30:44
versus. South Korea.
30:45
No, like 120. That's and it was like it was in
30:49
Carson I think, or somewhere and I did.
30:51
Actually, I, I didn't play on your league.
30:53
I don't know if it was the league you guys were in, but I I
30:55
like stood in once or twice. That was in Orange County
30:59
though, right? I was driving down Orange County
31:00
to play for a team down there for a minute.
31:02
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then and so then, yeah, so
31:05
then, then we then we met again like another soccer related
31:08
event. Like it was we had to like watch
31:09
a World Cup Cup game together. And then while at that game
31:12
we're like, oh, I'm moving to LA.
31:13
And I was like, oh, shit. And then we just started
31:15
hanging. Out.
31:16
Yeah, yeah. And we, we ended up living like
31:17
we, we're like three blocks from each other.
31:19
Yeah, we lived really close. We're into a lot of the same
31:21
stuff. I.
31:22
Don't know if I want to take a deep dive into why you had to
31:25
watch a game with him were. You drunk hostage.
31:31
I was forced. Like I had to watch it with.
31:34
My master demanded that I watch the game with him.
31:36
Exactly. But we're going to watch it,
31:38
you're going to enjoy it and become friends.
31:39
It was it was because of that we had a mutual buddy because so we
31:42
I was like, he was there and I was like, oh, is he?
31:44
Is he a mutual following the leak?
31:46
No, Ryan. Ryan, you got, you got a
31:49
girlfriend who dropped off the first of the Earth.
31:50
Yeah. Yeah, that's where Ryan does.
31:53
Ryan does that. And then he pops up once they
31:55
break up. I got.
31:56
It well, then they didn't break up and then I've.
31:58
Got married and two kids. Yeah.
32:00
Oh. OK, no, because he's gone.
32:01
He's gone. He's gone.
32:02
He's cooked. I wonder if he would play, he'd
32:04
be he'd be actually be a fun addition to the league if he if.
32:06
He was actually, yeah, yeah. And he's a big United fan and
32:09
would like, he would in a fun way, I think.
32:12
Yeah, Yeah, he would. Sort of.
32:13
He's good friends with. So Ian won the league last year.
32:16
Nate Ian Hutchinson, who's in the league, you know, So yeah,
32:19
that'd be, it'd be kind of funny if Ryan comes in like wins the
32:21
league again, because then it'd be you 3 who I kind of met at
32:25
the, you know, from the same time all out within it.
32:29
Did. Oh, we got.
32:30
So we got the only friend who hasn't won the league.
32:32
Yeah, yeah. Did.
32:35
What was I going to say? I totally blanked.
32:41
I forgot. I have won the league.
32:42
Is he talking about me? Yes.
32:45
Are you talking about Ryan? I have won the league.
32:49
Sorry, I'm watching. I'm watching this by Munich into
32:51
something deceptive. Wait, I know I was going to ask,
32:55
do you guys, I don't know if I'm stepping on toes, I don't know.
32:59
They're off limit questions, Keith said.
33:01
I just can't get you cancelled. What is the like?
33:04
You have two leagues in my head, especially just by listening to
33:08
your podcast, it feels like your other league is a bit more
33:12
competitive. True or false?
33:15
True top to bottom, more competitive.
33:18
There's like the, because then I think in the, in the other
33:20
league, they went by the halfway point of the season, there's
33:23
like three or four teams that the guys are they, they're
33:25
realizing they're not winning and they're pretty out of it,
33:27
right? Got it.
33:28
It's it's also being 10 teams. The teams are.
33:33
General yeah, bigger numbers. OK.
33:35
Yeah, bigger numbers and also like the, you know, the talent
33:37
you don't have to go like fishing for like backup players
33:40
or all of that stuff. But as far as like activity
33:44
wise, like trades and stuff like that, I feel like the league
33:46
that you're in was more active this year.
33:49
And our main, we call it the main league, there's a guy who
33:52
just sent out ridiculous trade offers.
33:54
Kyle. Essentially like.
33:57
I. Like this guy?
34:00
Yeah, you say that now, man, He's literally Wayne.
34:02
He's like click bait. He's just waiting.
34:04
He's waiting. For you to accidentally make a
34:05
mistake like the trades are so bad they're like there's no way.
34:09
Wait, tell him about the Holland trade two years ago.
34:11
That, that was actually kind of amazing, I feel like.
34:13
What But tell him back, I. I don't know what.
34:16
So he essentially like he traded his whole team away to get
34:19
Holland essentially OK, and then like and then just started like
34:22
rebuilding. He just like rebuilt his team
34:24
and he had Salah too, right? Somehow he had solid Holland on
34:28
his team. He had no one.
34:29
He had literally had no one else.
34:30
They're all waiver play like literally anyone you could pick
34:33
up off waivers like just like total.
34:35
And it was like that was his strategy because he thought he
34:37
was going to, like he thought he was going to be able to win that
34:40
way, and it didn't work out. But he won the year before then.
34:43
He won the year before, yeah. And that's why he did it,
34:45
because he. Has, yeah.
34:47
Because he had was that the year Holland went absolutely bad
34:50
shit. Or is that it was?
34:52
I don't know if he had him that year.
34:53
I had him, yeah, I had him the first year.
34:56
You didn't win though, so. Is there again not to try I?
35:00
Didn't win either. Put lighter fluid is, is there
35:04
always a player, is there consistently like a player who's
35:07
basically like 2 times the value?
35:10
Yeah, I mean like. No, I mean, obviously Holland
35:12
two years ago and then solid this year were probably like
35:14
really big ones. We're like, let's look at I'm
35:15
out of the fan tracks up right now, like 2324 all players.
35:21
Yeah, yeah. I looked on that so.
35:23
The the cool cool. Thing is, you could go back like
35:25
as many years, it has the stats as long as the players are still
35:28
in the league. KDB had years where he was
35:32
averaging 20 points in. 20/19/20.
35:36
He averaged 20.7 points, 13 goals, 20 assists in nuts, 20
35:40
assists make. Sure, he averaged. 20 assists.
35:42
Yeah, that's when Nancy. Was just toying with the league.
35:46
My God. Yeah.
35:48
I was I feel like it's. This year.
35:50
Like Solo was broke fantasy this year.
35:52
Like I can only imagine that he probably broke like the OFPL or
35:55
like the other types of were like the scoring system so bad.
35:58
That's it. That's what kills me about what
36:00
like what what what were you playing, Nate?
36:03
FPL or NFPL or like like FPL draft too.
36:06
Like the scoring system is so bad that like it just it makes
36:09
it like not fun to watch because like all you care about is goals
36:12
and assists and that's, that's that's that's such like not a
36:14
true tested like a player's like you know what, what players
36:19
doing this? Is not to throw shade.
36:21
It's much easier I found because FPL is like there's kind of if
36:26
you're saying there's eleven guys, I think you get some Subs.
36:29
So maybe let's say you have, I don't know, 5 Subs, OK, 5 Subs.
36:32
So you're 1516 guys, I feel like, what do you think?
36:36
And and they're like 10. Guys on.
36:41
Everybody's team is going to be the same, yeah, basically so.
36:44
Well, you got, you got points for minutes too, right?
36:46
You got, you literally get participation points.
36:48
You get participation points. But it's, it's, it's that dollar
36:51
amount that you have to spend. So like you, you're looking for
36:54
that diamond. Yeah, you're looking for that
36:55
diamond in the rough. But everyone's got, everyone's
36:57
got Salah or everyone's got Saliba or, you know, I mean,
37:01
they've all got the same players.
37:02
And there's like one or two here and you're just hoping to pick
37:05
one and you can't, you can't change him like wherever you
37:07
want. You get like one change per
37:09
week, and you can roll over one for two weeks.
37:11
But then after that, That's right.
37:13
That's right. Yeah.
37:13
Yeah. Yeah, that's it.
37:14
And the cap, the captaincy thing is just so important.
37:17
Oh my God that drives me crazy. Captain, Yeah.
37:20
Stupid. Let's let's put up.
37:22
OK, I have a question for you guys.
37:23
So this game is 40 that's buying me in a game.
37:26
Do you feel like the halftime talk for Auckland?
37:28
Like, I feel like, like I feel you.
37:31
You can't be that mad. You're just like I, I would hate
37:33
it if some guys are acting like, yeah, like I, I would hate if
37:36
someone's acting pissed. I'd they're shut the fuck up.
37:38
They're gonna have a, they're gonna have a Fosters.
37:41
At the half time and they're fine.
37:42
That's it, right? And they're just going to do the
37:45
big edge. Just how we play mate.
37:47
That's it. And they're like no one scores
37:49
5. Goals on the in the first half,
37:51
No, I think the whole point for. Them right now is just, if
37:54
they're talented, just show your talent and maybe somebody sees
37:58
you and you go somewhere. So like I don't.
38:00
Even think they're they're not even at that level, you never
38:03
know, you know they. Might have like one guy that is
38:06
just has talent, maybe not. I think you're, I think Arsenal.
38:11
Are the spreads for a striker? They look anywhere.
38:13
Yeah, exactly. I.
38:15
Think I think you're right on every team but this New Zealand
38:17
one. I think this this one is like
38:20
one that's what essentially this.
38:22
Tournament. Is just yeah, I agree there.
38:24
But that's what you're saying. But again in my rabbit.
38:27
Hole of like looking at things another one I went on a big
38:31
tangent on again, I'm blaming you Keith actually, because one
38:34
of the resources you gave me was fat mob, which is like the news.
38:38
The transfer news on that is like such such click bait, but
38:43
the winner. Of this gets a. 125 million plus
38:47
bonuses. What?
38:50
So think about that like this. Was that for?
38:53
PSR. Exactly.
38:55
This article I was reading was actually was about Bayern.
38:58
It was saying that Bayern underperformed on their expected
39:02
revenue targets across the board, not just in finishing in
39:05
different levels. I obviously won their league,
39:07
but they didn't win their German Cup.
39:08
They didn't get far in the Champions League, so they're
39:12
like, we need this 100 million. So like Bayern's trying is what
39:16
this article was claiming. Yes, 1000.
39:19
Percent and I mean, like, I think any team is going to try
39:21
when there's that much money in the line.
39:22
It's about how do you motivate your, your players though?
39:25
Like, yeah, you know, like they just played a really long
39:28
season. So like, we'll see.
39:29
And I, I think like at the end of the day, when they're
39:31
playing, when they, when they face up against Bayern Munich,
39:33
it's going to be OK, let's fucking go.
39:35
But I think there's some room for some upsets to happen.
39:38
Like, you know, like they're not, they're not taking like a
39:40
Botafogo like a Brazilian team seriously or something.
39:43
Well, and that's. And I and I was also just trying
39:46
to like look and see who they're starting.
39:47
Like are they actually starting their studs?
39:49
And it looks like they are, yeah.
39:52
It's 125 million, but they didn't need to start.
39:55
This team against No, they literally started they started
39:59
their best 11 Yeah, but this is. Making a statement?
40:02
Yeah. By which Bayer?
40:03
Likes to do Bayer likes to like they fucking like that and they
40:06
like they like running up the scores.
40:09
Bayer is known for running up the score.
40:10
Yeah, fucking Germans. We.
40:13
All know. Real Madrid is winning this,
40:16
right? I know.
40:17
That's why I was today. Will they fuck it?
40:19
Will they try? Will they try?
40:20
You think? Yeah, they care.
40:22
You think a lot, Laurentino Perez.
40:24
Said. They want to start off
40:25
dominating this tournament like they have the Champions League.
40:28
Oh yeah. But I but I think.
40:29
There's like, so Byron has a good shot.
40:30
I think PSG is going to be hungry to win this too.
40:33
Like they just they just were crowned the European champions.
40:36
I think they obviously want to become world champions too.
40:39
I think, yeah, Madrid has a chance.
40:42
I think that's kind of those are the big three, right?
40:44
Who else is really let it go? Athletic, I mean, then I've
40:47
been. Athletico in the same.
40:48
There's like Chelsea where you wouldn't be like, it wouldn't be
40:51
the most shocking thing in the world, but it's not that likely,
40:53
right? This is set up.
40:54
For a PSG, Real Madrid final, that would be it.
40:59
Would be interesting. PSG is the one.
41:00
I'm I'm, I'm nervous. About of the like the legs and
41:04
like, are they just going to be too tired?
41:06
But they're so young. The whole team, so they're going
41:08
to go to the final. Season, though, they're going
41:10
to. Go hit the clubs they're.
41:11
Going to be like, let's let's go, let's say young, so young.
41:17
I. Also think Man City is going to
41:18
be. An interesting one because of
41:19
all the players they go. I forgot about Man City.
41:21
Yeah, they're up there too, because I think for us.
41:24
That's probably the most interesting one to watch just to
41:26
see what kind of rotation it is. And it'll also be interesting if
41:29
same as all seasons. Pep gonna play the.
41:31
Players here that he's not going to play in the Premier League or
41:34
he's going to actually like play everyone who's going to carry
41:37
over to the regular season. So I'll tell you what I'll be
41:39
tuning. In to this Palmaris game to
41:41
watch Ovio William you hear he's talking to.
41:44
Chelsea. What do you say?
41:46
I saw some headline. I didn't read it, he said.
41:48
He, he said he is, I'm, I'm. Paraphrasing, but he is every
41:52
every he expects to be starting every game for Chelsea or
41:57
something like that. He doesn't expect to be in a
41:59
rotation and and the players will see why during the during
42:04
the game drafting him. I like that.
42:07
I like that. Confidence.
42:08
How old you draft him? I'm 100%.
42:11
Drafting him Not if I not if I. Draft him first.
42:15
You don't know what I'm. Taking him?
42:16
Are you going to take him in the third round?
42:18
Are you going to take him in the third round?
42:19
Don't worry about it. Is it going to be?
42:20
The Oscar Bob with 2B's of this year.
42:22
Oh my God. Don't, don't put that.
42:24
On him, Oscar Bob got injured. They have four games, no?
42:27
You're talking about in the way in the.
42:28
Place that I drafted him. OK, well I can look where.
42:31
You drafted Oscar Bob, then adjust and just draft before
42:34
you. I think.
42:34
I think I drafted. Oscar, Bob.
42:38
Yeah, let's see where Tika did. Yeah, Round nine.
42:42
Yeah, sure. No, no, I'm drafting.
42:44
Away before that, you know. Do you guys you're not?
42:49
Going to like, you're not going to like.
42:50
Psych me out of like my game, let me tell you.
42:53
Everyone's going to do it, Tigo's.
42:54
Going to psych you out bro. He always makes you overthink it
42:56
because you already overthink it.
42:57
You're trying. You're a guy that.
42:59
Drafted in Kunku third round. Yep, that's true.
43:01
He'll just don't. Turn round.
43:02
Thank you, Sergey. You're right, but.
43:05
He's a, he's a Brazil. Go 5.
43:06
Go 5. I'm I will be.
43:08
Rooting for him a lot. So he makes a Brazil because all
43:11
the wingers we have are on the left side.
43:12
We need someone on the right side.
43:14
So I need him to be on my team, teach him the ways.
43:17
So I don't know, around 4 1/2, five.
43:21
Do you guys ever? Or how do I even ask this
43:24
question? Do you guys ever think about or
43:27
have you ever seen somebody like stack a team with like one
43:33
team's play? I think it's just yes, Kyle.
43:36
I I've the guys, the Man United guys in our league, Kyle.
43:39
So he did it, but he didn't remember the year that United
43:41
got second with like when Rashford went off, that's the
43:43
year he won the league. He he had older.
43:45
Defenders, he had the goalkeeper, so he was getting
43:47
all the clean sheet points and like essentially if United had a
43:51
good game, he'd won, he was winning, he was winning.
43:55
Wow. And since they.
43:56
Finished second they like he just crushed it yeah, I think
43:59
also because. I think the expectations weren't
44:01
the highest, right? Didn't he also have Bruno?
44:03
Fernandez that year, yeah, he had Bruno who's.
44:05
The start of. Fantasy.
44:07
Yeah, we we had some actually. Now that I think about it,
44:09
somebody tried to do it sort of with Arsenal and our league and
44:13
it didn't go very well for them. Was it?
44:15
Was it? Patch.
44:16
How did he patch? Yeah.
44:18
No, it did not go well. No, no, no, no.
44:19
And he didn't. Yeah.
44:20
Haverts. Martinelli.
44:22
Trustard. Yeah.
44:25
Timber. No.
44:26
He also drafted Julian Alvarez and that that was for sale.
44:30
Did that hurt? Yeah, we've had that a couple
44:33
times, Harry. Kane getting drafted the second
44:35
round, I know that's, that's honestly.
44:36
The that's the biggest killer in this whole this whole setup is
44:39
that like like you drafting a guy early and I'm leaving.
44:42
That's kind of what I was getting at the Luis DS thing
44:43
now, like I'm not I don't think I touched Luis Diaz until
44:46
there's some clarity there for that reason.
44:49
Do you imagine like there was? In again one of these like weird
44:53
chat room things through those whatever boys.
44:56
I forget what it's called banter boys.
44:58
Thank you. They one person saying they do a
45:01
draft after the first week or after the I'm sorry, after the
45:05
transfer window, the windows. Yeah, yeah.
45:08
But I kind of, I feel like I love having 38 games.
45:11
I want all 38 games. You lose like a month.
45:14
Right. It's September or no, you lose.
45:16
Yeah, it's like it's. You use like.
45:17
Two games. Yeah, well.
45:20
I think it's a crazy dynamic. I think.
45:22
There's. There's just this X Factor and
45:24
there's this, there's this crazy part of doing a draft if you
45:27
don't know the guys going to even be in the league, which is,
45:28
and then trying to pick up those draft.
45:30
Play those traded players like within two weeks it's it's added
45:34
fun yeah I just. Add a little add a little chaos
45:37
early. That's true.
45:38
I also. Totally.
45:40
Oh, go. Oh, go ahead, minus something.
45:43
I was just going to say there's another thing I.
45:44
Thought about it is like, I totally, I thought I was ready
45:48
for our draft and I totally fell apart and within like 5 minutes
45:53
somebody was also like, we have way too much time where I was
45:56
like, this is way too short. I was like, I wanted 10 minutes
45:59
a pit. I wanted to like go into my
46:01
spreadsheets. Someone's like, this is going
46:03
too slow, move faster. I'm like, oh, I know.
46:07
That part was me. You should.
46:09
I think we'll probably do a few. We'll set up a few mock drops
46:12
this year if you want to join us.
46:13
I'd be sick, I. Drafted 2.
46:16
I drafted 2 goalies, in case you guys are wondering.
46:18
Yeah, like my God, at least I. Was looking at that good job.
46:21
None on Ederson job. She's really bad and.
46:24
And to be honest, I basically auto drafted Luis Diaz and that
46:27
that worked out well for me. But that wasn't that was good.
46:30
That's what that's. The exact same thing happened to
46:32
Tico another league. He where he like he drafted
46:34
solid in the first round, he drafted Luis Diaz in the second.
46:37
Was like he was he's like what have I done?
46:38
I gave him that. Drafted 2 Liverpool players and
46:41
then of course there's like jokes on jokes on us.
46:43
Well you say just got a banger by the way, I guess.
46:45
Auckland City, Yeah, I take take.
46:47
Zero, by the way. So.
46:49
I don't. Do mock drafts like in any I
46:52
play old fantasies, never done a mock.
46:54
I don't do those and we had a we had a ranking that we created.
47:00
I had the most solid ranked eleven but.
47:03
You're still picking What were you it?
47:07
Was full fixed. Your head at that point, you
47:08
were like. I don't want it was between.
47:11
Watkins, Palmer and Salah. So I was I.
47:16
Was very high on foreign coming into the year, most solid.
47:21
There was also rumors of him, like maybe like, yeah, that was
47:23
the, that was also. The thing remember there were
47:25
rumors of him going to and also there was the whole like.
47:29
He's getting older and you manage all that stuff.
47:31
Like a lot of changes were happening.
47:32
So I was like, and again, I was very high on foreign.
47:35
But as we got closer to the draft, I was like, what are you
47:38
doing? Like this guy's been super
47:39
consistent. Like, you're going to take
47:41
fucking Ollie Watkins. Fuck you.
47:44
That's what end zone he had a great.
47:45
That's a good season. That's our in.
47:48
Our league, our other league, the draft went, it went Saka,
47:50
Holland, Bruno Fernandez and then Tico in four with Sala and
47:56
then end zone 5 with Watkins. And then they literally handed
47:59
me Palmer at six. I was how did that?
48:00
Yeah, How did that happen? It was the thought that Palmer
48:03
just over performed in his first season.
48:05
Yeah, I think there was a lot of.
48:06
Conversation about the penalties and that that was a big thing
48:10
and there's clearly people who just weren't watching him and
48:11
realized how amazing he was. It was.
48:14
Literally because of penalties it.
48:15
Was literally because of the penalties also.
48:18
Enzo's not good at drafting. Whoa, even.
48:20
I've I've had more podiums than you, mate.
48:22
You've had one winning season and all of a sudden you're like
48:25
God's gift, a fantasy. I don't fucking think so.
48:27
You know who you sound like. You know, you sound like you
48:29
sound like an Arsenal fan. Oh, we finished top four.
48:31
We finished top 4. For you, you finished.
48:35
Top 4 double stab. Yeah, double.
48:37
There you go. And there's another thing in our
48:39
other league where that we got a couple people that do something
48:42
called spite picks. So sometimes fucking hurts the
48:46
draft well. They just pick someone knowing.
48:49
That someone else, they just know.
48:50
They know the person ahead of them wants that guy.
48:52
Let's say like if someone is. Let's say if like Enzo's
48:55
drafting next there's like Bruno Fernandez or like a Tottenham
48:57
player, he'll take the Tottenham player that's lesser just to
49:00
spite Enzo, like me taking. Me taking, I took Leon Bailey in
49:04
the fourth round despite yeah and it didn't work out for you
49:07
and it and it backfired dramatically.
49:10
But Oh yeah, wasn't it your name even like Leon Bailey?
49:13
Bailey Bailey made it. Barely made.
49:15
A scratch. Bailey's a creative or
49:17
something, right? So.
49:18
Enzo went out like a 13. Game-winning streak.
49:20
That also did happen this year. Enzo, he finished sixth.
49:23
Yeah. Fucking crashed.
49:24
And burnt because a young because a young you can't blame.
49:30
It all on Ashley that's. Not the reason why you lost
49:33
really. He was scoring 16 plus points.
49:34
A game during the winning streak, he was.
49:36
Averaging like maybe 80 points. He was barely squeaking by
49:40
people. Hey, I can, I can.
49:42
I can only beat what's in front of me.
49:44
I'm sorry it's bad manual style. I play tight tally in this.
49:49
Score enough. Is there?
49:50
Is there like? Going into next year, if you all
49:53
had the number one pick, would you?
49:54
Who would you take? Well, I.
49:57
Already have my rankings. So yeah, actually, wait #1 came.
50:01
Up on the your your wheel. No.
50:03
Or #2 yeah, I think I. I think Saka's pretty consensus.
50:09
I think Sala, I, I think you can make an argument for Sala being,
50:12
well, it's because of the AFCON 3 AFCON.
50:15
But I think, yeah, I think, I think the more I think about it,
50:17
the more I think Cole Palmer can go.
50:19
Yeah, because that's not known, Chelsea boss.
50:20
I could I mistaken could go. Number.
50:22
Two or could also go #1 No, I think you.
50:26
Have to go soccer #1 there's no way.
50:28
But I think like then like Bruno Fernandez is, is so dependable.
50:31
Yeah, like it's so. And then I think, yeah, I think
50:34
Holland's tricky. Isaac 5. 456.
50:37
It's a spot being there. He's a such a good yeah.
50:40
Top 6 I think. Where it gets really tricky is
50:42
7-8 with CUNY and Buemo because we we, we looked, we looked at
50:45
those XG numbers going to potentially new teams.
50:48
It just feels like there's a lot of uncertainty there for me to
50:50
like feel really good about this.
50:51
Gwenbo goes to Tottenham. He drops out of the first round.
50:55
You know, you guys talk. You guys talk about like most
50:58
Allah is the reason I won the championship, which obviously
51:00
played a factor, but I think the I think the biggest contributor
51:04
to the championship was Cunha. Can you pull up your?
51:08
Can you pull up your team? I've never seen that team
51:10
actually your winning team, my team or.
51:14
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Pull up the job board.
51:17
Pull up the job board. Pull up the job.
51:18
All right, let me. In six nil bloody do you want?
51:21
Me to do it, No, I have. It I mean.
51:23
Keith, wait, if you look at. Keeps in our league.
51:25
Once he made that atrocious trade with Slim 420, your team
51:31
was so good. If you would have not done what
51:33
trade was that again? I know, I know, Joe.
51:35
Felix, I want to talk about it. No, Joe.
51:37
Felix, what was? It was.
51:38
That the trade. I remember that trade.
51:40
Fuck yeah. Martin Odegard.
51:41
For Joel Felix and some Japanese scrub endo.
51:48
Kamada, Kamada. So it was actually kind of funny
51:52
because Sergei went first Saka and then 456.
51:57
It's me, Enzo and Keith. So what kind of wait?
52:02
Sorry. And Saka.
52:04
So this is me. I don't I don't know the good
52:06
name in. This league I'll be 1.
52:08
Iwobu, Qantas, Qantas, Tikov. And then I'll be.
52:11
Oh yeah, I'll be wondering. Why?
52:13
But you can say it. It's a good name.
52:16
It's a good one. It's not.
52:17
Yeah. So my. 3/4 was pretty rough.
52:19
Wow, he picked a kuku. In the third round, dude.
52:22
Because from. Preseason he looked great.
52:26
That was a mistake, dude. My 4 even even, I mean, there's
52:29
a lot of players in hindsight, we just go oof, that.
52:31
That's every year. Like every year we do the same
52:34
amount of research as we're going to do this year and every
52:36
year there's like a lot of them were like, it's really hard to
52:38
justify it. And JWP in the 4th.
52:40
Round you motherfucker, he was a top. 20 Pick the.
52:44
I know he was a top 20 player of the year prior.
52:46
Fuck me. So and then I also.
52:49
Picked up Morgan Rogers from the waivers, which was pretty huge.
52:51
Yeah, this is, this is it's. That's the part that just seems
52:55
so wild and crazy from the side is just like.
52:59
Thinking of that, I don't even know.
53:00
Top 25, top 50, how many guys aren't like not even on this or
53:05
how much that shifts? And is it like, is that
53:07
consistent every year or is it like pretty, pretty consistent?
53:12
There's a lot of that's like the draft is important, but I think
53:14
there's so much of this this, what I like about it is so much
53:17
of this one and waivers and transfers and all that stuff,
53:19
you know, so on my team. Everyone from ninth round and
53:22
below, no one was on my team towards the end.
53:26
Literally. Like even.
53:28
Way before that. And then Sherry got injured,
53:30
Tarkovsky got injured. So they were noble ground there.
53:33
Pope I dropped him because he was hurt.
53:34
The only ones that Madison I had to drop because he got hurt.
53:41
Diaz. I traded.
53:42
Away, I think, with the the thing.
53:44
Is though, is that even in all that we were talking about?
53:46
There is when you look at like the latter round picks, like 10
53:48
on, there are some like every team.
53:50
There's a few gems like, you know, like I got savvy on the
53:53
12th. Like I'm looking at like Yukuba
53:56
Minta for like for Thomas's team.
53:59
Like there's guys that like did really well Iwobi in the in the.
54:03
Knights and then yeah, that's what I mean.
54:05
So it's not. Like even in even in like the
54:07
carnage that is the draft, there's still like some gems
54:10
that you can and then kind of go back.
54:12
To when you were asking if it was competitor or not when you
54:15
look at the standings. Thank you.
54:17
It's as what is it separating us two games.
54:22
That's how it pretty much ended and then if you look but.
54:25
Look at but like I went on a three.
54:26
Game losing streak and so like I yeah, that sucked.
54:30
This is Sergey. So Sergey overtook.
54:32
And I also went on A2 game losing streak to finish it.
54:34
So he then you look at like the. Special so you know how many
54:38
total points look. At the total points too.
54:40
Yeah, the Special 15, you see the Special 1, he was dead.
54:44
Lost halfway through the season. Wow, that's how I.
54:47
Traded him in. Buemmo.
54:48
Yeah. Did.
54:49
He did he. Have Bruno.
54:50
No, yeah, I traded him in Buemmo.
54:51
Like a fool and this over here. This.
54:54
Right here, the sad sad person that could've even scored 3900
54:58
points is that 3899 prick. Yeah.
55:02
He should have said 4000. That would have made it more yes
55:05
you're an idiot 3900. The only two people scored 4000.
55:09
OK, I was right. There behind you, God, you guys
55:13
get so many more. Points with 10 men, huh?
55:16
That's so cool, yeah. So.
55:19
Well, yeah, like 129 again. This is a guy that has all the
55:23
Man United players. Bunch of.
55:25
Man United players, yeah. Jesus.
55:29
And there, there are a couple of these teams where, again, I wish
55:32
I'd had more. There's more time under, like
55:36
more fantasy time. But Keith, you've talked about
55:39
these in the last couple of pods.
55:40
But part of me is like, I think it'd be fun to make a bet on
55:44
United, Tottenham. Who else?
55:48
There was one other one maybe if Crystal Palace doesn't lose
55:50
people and keeps up that momentum, like, just go get as
55:53
many of them as you possibly can.
55:55
Yeah. Thinking that.
55:57
The value. Is like maybe perceived as
55:59
lower? Yeah, yes.
56:02
Yeah, there's some. I think.
56:04
I think I kind of feel that way about talking about, but I also
56:05
feel like that's not, I think that's a kind of the like
56:07
hipster thing to like I feel like I'm not going to be the
56:09
only one that does that, you know, talking about players, you
56:12
know, but I agree. But even even like United.
56:15
At least United's like attackers.
56:17
I mean their defence is going to be terrible, but if you could go
56:20
get a is it possible to get Fernandez and Cunha?
56:24
Will that happen? Will that line up for whoever
56:27
has the top 3? Has to be a trade?
56:28
Definitely not. So you think for sure, junior?
56:31
Goes in the 1st 2 rounds for sure at first round.
56:33
I think at this rate, unless something dramatic happens, I
56:37
think he goes like later first round, like end of the first and
56:39
Bruno always goes beginning of the first.
56:42
So. But even if I think that's a
56:43
good thing. Though.
56:44
What they just said sorry like a like a get get like a good combo
56:50
for your first two picks like stacks, right?
56:53
Like it's like when I had something.
56:56
Like. Palmer, OR.
56:58
No, they don't have a second good one.
56:59
But because. They don't have a second.
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Player at the lap man Palmer. And the lap that could work, but
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it's. I mean, if you just just with
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United and how bad they are, but it's like let's say they get him
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one more Cunha, Fernandez and Ahmad like it might be.
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All four of those guys. Going in the first two rounds,
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it might be possible to get like, yeah.
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That's what That's what I've been talking.
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About I feel like it's that's crazy to me, but I don't feel
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good about that. That feels gross, but that?
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That those last three, Diallo, Cunya and Brembo, if they went
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to Man United, it is possible to get a double whammy.
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If you had a late first round pick, yeah, you get one of them.
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Two of them, yeah. What's a double?
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Whammy double? Whammy, you ever watch?
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Anchorman whammy. I guess I got to go.
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This has been really fun, Sergei.
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Good luck cutting this up. It's two hours long.
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Hey, Nate, nice meeting you. Mate, thanks for having me y'all
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goodness. This is fun.
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It was. A pleasure meeting you.
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Yeah, we'll have to. We'll.
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See. The real champion?
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It'll do a. A mid season.
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I'm just gonna you can keep me off the.
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Screen and I'll just I'll eat popcorn and cheer you on like
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yay. Go guys all.
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Right there you go. Leave your window open for a
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little bit after so it can like download or whatever.
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Just once. Once I close it, yeah,
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essentially I'm going to end it and it'll just, it'll just say
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100%. Loaded after you're done OK.
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All right, ladies. OK, bye.