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The truth about seed oils · Cultural Wars | America Out Loud News

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  Today's conversation is with nutritionist, natural food chef, and four-time best selling author, Leanna Werner Gray, author of The Truth About Seed Oils, How the Heart Healthy Myth Made Us Sick and How to Heal with Real Fats.
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  Um, your roadmap to reclaiming vibrant health one meal at a time.
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  Liana, my friend, welcome so much to the 10penny files.
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  I'm glad we could finally connect and thank you so much for being here.
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  And congratulations on your new book, because we really need to know more about seed oils.
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  Yes, we do.
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  People have been misled about seed oils for a long time.
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  And thank you so much for having me on the legendary Sharon uh Sherry Tenpenny show.
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  And I just love you, and we go way back and just so grateful to know you and be your friend and be here on your new show.
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  Well, this is things.
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  We've been doing we've been on this platform for about six months now.
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  We've been doing podcasting for about six years.
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  And so we were really growing and having such great people on our shows like yourself.
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  So why don't we start with you telling us how seed oils became so widespread into modern diets?
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  And how did they get their start being added to our food when most everyone is concerned about them?
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  Yeah, actually, it goes the history is is appalling.
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  And once people hear this, they're never going to want to eat seed oils again.
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  Seed oils were never created for human consumption.
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  They were actually created for the World War One way back, World War I, World War II, to lubricant the machinery in the war, the war machinery.
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  And then they also use seed oils like vegetable oil for soaps as well.
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  And so after and this soybean oil, vegetable oils, and then after the war, they had all this leftover seed oils.
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  And they were like, what do we do with it?
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  Well, because the government was already subsidizing it.
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  It was massive crops.
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  They said, let's put it into the food.
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  And so they hired influencers at the time to show America how they could put it into the food.
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  So they did a bunch of cookbooks with it.
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  And they show people you should be doing seed oils instead of doing grass-fed butter because it's heart healthy, and they built this entire thing around it saying that it was good for us, but it's not.
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  And also, you know, canola oil then came later.
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  And canola oil you cannot even find in nature.
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  God did not create canola oil.
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  Canola oil was created in a lab.
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  It's all genetically engineered.
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  And it so some people will see organic non-GMO canola oil.
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  And some restaurants will say, well, we use the highest quality non-GMO organic canola oil.
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  It's not possible that that label is completely fraudulent on canola oil because it's impossible for canola oil to be organic because it was created in a lab.
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  It was never created from God in nature.
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  And so God did not design our bodies to consume seed oils.
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  And they create oxidative stress immediately in the brain.
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  And you know, in my book, I talk about all of the dangers in it that it's linked to in terms of cancer, Alzheimer's, dimension, and it the oxidative stress is the biggest issue.
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  There's even a study that we can get more into that Dr.
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  Mark Hyman talks about, which is that uh with it's connected to homicide.
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  The oxidative stress in people's brain causes aggression in people, and it the countries that consume more seed oils in specific areas have higher homicide rates.
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  So it's really serious.
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  And obviously, if people Google it, it says seed oils are fine, they're healthy.
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  You know, Stanford doctors and different doctors and experts say it's healthy and it's fine because this is a 500 billion dollar industry, the seed book seed oil industry.
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  How much do we think that they're paying for publicity and marketing and to pay these top doctors and things to say that it's actually safe, but it's not.
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  So, you know, the history is uh is thick, but I'm glad that people are going to learn about the truth in this book.
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  You know, it's um it's really shameful that they created an oil to be used in machines that when they had an excess of it, they ended up putting it in our food.
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  It's like they didn't know where else to put it, so they put it in our food.
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  You know, you've shared in your other books, and you've also shared on um presentations and podcasts where I've heard you you've talked about your own health collapse and then your own health recovery, and then you learned about seed oils and you took them out of your diet.
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  What sort of disant differences did you notice in your own health once you decided to remove these nasty oils from your from what you were eating?
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  Oh, my entire life changed.
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  And I always say like the top two worst things that we consume are refined sugar and seed oils.
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  You know, there is a great debate, like Dr.
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  Kate Shanahan and others say seed oils are number one, worst sugar is number two.
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  I say, you know, refined sugar is worse, and then seed oils, but they're both really bad.
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  And those are the two things that I cut from my diet.
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  That I cut from my diet.
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  I was addicted to fast foods and junk foods processed food.
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  I was addicted to fast foods and junk foods processed food.
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  It was my drug of choice.
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  It was my drug of choice.
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  I was a binge eater for five years.
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  I was a binge eater for five years, and I ended up with a golf ball sized tuma in my lymphatic system.
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  And I ended up with a golf ball sized tumor in my lymphatic system.
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  3.7 centimeters.
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  3.7 centimeters.
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  I went, did a biopsy.
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  I went did a biopsy.
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  It was early stages of cancer.
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  It was early stages of cancer.
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  They said it hadn't spread anywhere else.
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  They said it hadn't spread anywhere else.
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  But that was a wake-up call that I needed.
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  But that was a wake-up call that I needed.
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  I was also riddled with parasites.
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  I was also riddled with parasites.
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  And so that was a wake-up call for me to change my diet and go back to nature.
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  And so that was a wake up call for me to change my diet and go back to nature and.
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  And that was actually the first time that I prayed in my entire life.
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  I was 21.
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  I never prayed to God before that, wasn't raised knowing God or Jesus.
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  And at 21, I was like, God, if you're real, like I'm open to like help me.
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  Like just I'm open to you, like help me help me.
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  And that's when God led me to create the earth diet.
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  And within that, I for 365 days, I created a blog called the Earth Diet.
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  And the challenge was to eat only foods that came from nature for 365 days.
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  And so this broke my addiction to uh fried foods, fast foods, because I would eat them every day.
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  I would eat McDonald's for lunch, say Pizza Hut for dinner or KFC for lunch and chicken nuggets for dinner, like every single meal was really toxic.
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  And I had eaten so many seed oils.
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  And then when I was doing the blog and eating only foods from nature for 365 days, I went into research mode.
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  And every day I blogged what I ate and I researched a different topic.
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  So I came across seed oils back then, 17 years ago, went down the rabbit hole of canola oil, vegetable oils, which back then they weren't called seed oils.
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  This is a new thing called seed oils.
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  And some people can get confused, like what because there are healthy seed oils, and then they're very toxic seed oils.
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  So we can talk about that, can clear that up too.
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  But that was one of the main things I cut out was refined sugar and seed oils because when we eat from nature, we eat avocado oil and olive oil and coconut oil, tiger nut seed oil, macadamia nut seed oil, sesame seed oil.
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  So I switched all my oils, and within three months, the scope ball size tumor was completely dissolved.
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  And it took a good year for my digestive system, everything, all the weight to come off for me to really have a transformed body and health.
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  But after three months, I mean, I felt better the first day I was doing the earth diet.
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  And then after a week, I'm like, wow, this is the best feeling ever.
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  I can still eat chicken nuggets, chicken tenders, fries, but I'm going to cook them in coconut oil and avocado oil and olive oil.
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  So I was having my cake and eating it too with cleaner oils, and I my brain felt better.
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  I was healing.
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  Also, seed oils support an environment for parasites as well.
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  So I just my whole life changed when I cut out seed oils.
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  And why do you think that so many people are not aware of the potential danger of seed oils?
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  I mean, it's been all over the news, and particularly since uh since Bobby Kennedy's become secretary, and they've changed the uh food diet, uh, food diagram and all these different things.
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  Um, you know, that they and I maybe people don't know what seed oils are.
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  What is the definition of a seed oil?
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  Yeah, so seed oil is a vegetable oil, so it can be vegetable oil, it can be canola oil.
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  There's something called the hateful eight from Dr.
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  Kate Shanahan, and it's cotton seed oil, slab flour oil, peanut oil is on that list too, uh, soybean vegetable set those.
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  Um, yeah, so anything that's not olive, avocado, coconut oil, uh sesame seed oil, those are now in the category of seed oil.
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  But if you see plant oil or vegetable oil, that is a seed oil.
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  That's what it's been coined as these days.
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  And so the reason why people don't know it's so toxic is because we had this old food pyramid for 70 years, and you know, this was a big part of the problem.
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  Ansel Keys back in the day, he had made this discovery, which on his deathbed admitted that actually he was wrong, was that all these middle-aged men were dropping dead of heart attacks.
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  And this was also the time that people were smoking cigarettes, but they never thought, oh, it was from the cigarettes.
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  It we're gonna say it's from the bad fats or the bad fats that they were coining, which was having butter and lard.
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  So they said, now do the seed oils because it's better, uh, no saturated fat, it's better for your heart.
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  And so they created this whole system based on this false findings from Ansel Keys, created the food pyramid, and just told everyone back then that seed oils, vegetable oils were safe, that they're heart healthy, that they will help lower your cholesterol.
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  And people believed this for so long.
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  Now Bobby Kennedy's come along and completely shattered that myth and has now created the new food pyramid.
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  So people are starting to find out, but it's still in the mainstream news, and it's just been taught to people through their generation through their grandparents that you know, canola oil safe, seed oils are safe when actually it's the opposite.
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  They are very highly toxic and they're linked to dimentia, Alzheimer's, cancer, psoriasis, skin issues, acne, uh, even um depression, anxiety.
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  We talked about homicide as well and weight gain.
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  Obviously, they breed help breed parasites.
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  So yeah, and if you Google it, you know, it's just a big machine that we're in, they protect their industry.
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  But I'm here to expose the seed oil corruption and actually tell the people the real truth about seed oils.
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  Well, you know, when I walk through a grocery store and I go down, you know, I've told all my patients for years that you need to shop around the edges, which is where all the fruits and vegetables and meat and dairy and things are, and the only rule row that they're allowed to go down is the one that has toilet paper and laundry.
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  You know, that's just because those are essentials, and you have to get them from the rose somewhere.
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  And when you just and just know sometimes I just walk down the other rows, just see what's there, and I'll pick up a package and I'll read the label and I'll put the package back on the shelf because I just feel like everything in the bright shining packages, the marketing that they've designed for their packaging is really just poison ready to pounce.
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  When when you eat a seed oil, when you eat um like chips or you eat um different, particularly chips, or which are kind of the go-to for everybody, and it's made with uh safflower oil or it's made with um vegetable oil.
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  What does that oil actually do inside of your body?
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  Well, it creates instant inflammation, instant.
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  So people will feel bloated, people will feel sluggish.
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  It creates oxidative stress in the brain, which is the biggest problem, and that can create brain fog.
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  And then if it's, you know, if someone eats a seed oil once every now and then, it's not going to kill them, it's probably not going to harm them.
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  But if someone's eating a seed oil every single day or every other day or on a weekly basis, that's when it builds up in the body and accumulates.
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  So people can experience sluggishness, you know, and I don't recommend trying this at home.
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  People can experience sluggishness, you know, and I don't recommend trying this at home.
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  But if people really want to know for themselves, do a week of eating only clean oils, right?
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  But if people really want to know for themselves, do a week of eating only clean oils, right?
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  Like olive oil, coconut oil, avocado oil, cut out all seed oils, then the following week for seven days, eat only seed oils every single day.
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  Like olive oil, coconut oil, avocado oil, cut out all seed oils, then the following week for seven days, eat only seed oils every single day.
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  And as I'm I'm not recommending this, but after that experiment, you will 100% know that seed oils are so toxic.
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  And as I'm I'm not recommending this, but after that experiment, you will 100% know that seed oils are so toxic.
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  You will feel tired, sluggish.
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  You will feel tired, sluggish.
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  The brain was not designed.
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  The brain was not designed to digest and process seed oils.
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  We need to get back to God's design and how God wanted us to eat and how the body is designed to eat.
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  So yeah, it's a lot worse than people realize.
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  Well, when you do do a seed oil binge, let's say, or you go on a weekend with somebody and you're, you know, you're out with a bunch of your friends or you're with family, and you have uh a picnic and you have pizza and you have uh chips and you have hot dogs and lots of ketchup on your hamburger and all these other things, and you just load up your body just with seed oils because you just do, and that's where you are.
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  Um, how long does it take for your body to process that and get it out of your body and get you back to maybe where you were before you went on that weekend binge?
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  Yeah, well, it's different for each person.
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  It depends how much they how much inflammation they have, and it depends on the metabolism, their digestion.
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  Someone who's very healthy who rarely has it, you know, it could be out of their system within 24 to 48 hours, especially.
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  And if someone does do that, then to help bring the body back, you definitely want to have green juice, celery juice with cucumber, lemon, ginger, that's going to get those seed oils out of the body, get those that omega-3 um omega-6 ratio back in balance and drink chlorophyll water as well.
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  That will help balance it, ginger tea, those things.
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  So if anyone does go out and do that, then that's I always tell my clients that's how you come back.
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  The quickest way to come back is with a big green juice or just chlorophyll in water.
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  And yeah, I mean, for someone who's doing that all the time, then it can take a while for it to get out of their body.
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  So um, you know, and now we live it in the easiest time to be healthy.
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  We have all these upgrades, and I talk about the upgrade system in my first book, The Earth Diet.
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  Um, it's if you want to have chips or whatever you want to have, I always tell my clients this you can have everything now in a natural way that's not toxic.
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  So we have chips that are cooked in avocado oil or even beef teller, they are delicious, and no one will ever know that they're healthy.
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  So that's really cool is when we can have our cake and eat it too, essentially.
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  And like seed oils are in everything these days.
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  Cakes, cookies, processed food, all processed foods have seed oils.
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  And also now it's disguised as soy lethosin.
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  So when you see soy lethosin on a label, it could be soy lethosin, or it could be it, it most likely is a seed oil mixed with the soy lethosin, as in a soybean oil.
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  So they're finding really sneaky ways to put it in.
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  But the gist of it all is go back to nature, eat real foods, whole foods that come from nature, but people have this chemical addiction or this cellular memory to process foods like I had.
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  And so we want to eat things that are enjoyable, like gummy bears or cookies, cakes, burgers, fries.
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  And so the earth diet is a way to be able to eat them in a natural way.
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  So you're still you don't feel deprived, you know, you're enjoying yourself as a human being while you're here on earth, and you're not feeling deprived, but you're still having things like fries and things like that.
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  But for example, like if I go to a restaurant and it's seed oils, I don't have the fries, you know.
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  I have discipline in that way.
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  And I say, okay, well, I'm craving fries now.
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  So tomorrow I'm gonna make some at home, or I'm gonna wait till I go to the fern, for example, in Palm Beach that cook their potatoes in beef tallow.
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  So be very selective, you know, it's just not worth it.
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  Um, but if you do it once in a while, yeah, then just bring yourself back with a green juice.
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  That's really really helpful.
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  You know, I've had other people on the show and they've talked about um ingredients, you know, reading ingredient labels.
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  And if anything has more than three ingredients, usually like you know, potato, salt, and pepper, which is just kind of like enough, you know?
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  Yeah, more than that, and it goes on and there's a bunch of things on there that you can't pronounce and you don't know what they are.
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  Um, why would you eat that and put that in the body?
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  The other side of that is why do they use those things in a um a packaged product and then call it food when they may have 12 different um ingredients in it.
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  Why are all those things in that packaged um thing that they call food?
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  Yeah, well, it's it's just making money at the end of the day.
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  And it shouldn't be cold food.
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  You know, a lot of the food that we see in the supermarkets is not actually food.
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  So, you know, it's it's fake food, it's dead food, it's Franken food, we call it.
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  So it's just a way for companies to make money.
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  And I learned this with making a supplement.
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  I have a supplement for anxiety, and when I was making it, the formulators were like, well, you know, we could add this to it.
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  We could add, we can add a filler to it.
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  And I was like, why would we do that?
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  You know, I could add rice to it, and they're like, well, you're gonna make a lot more money per bottle.
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  And I was like, you know what?
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  I don't care about that actually.
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  Obviously, it's a business have to make money, but at the end of the day, you know, I want my product to be fully just what people are paying for.
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  A hundred percent they're getting all of the ingredients from the supplement with nothing else.
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  So it all just comes down to people just trying to make money, you know, and we need to not support them.
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  And we vote with our dollar.
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  So yeah.
• 19:51
  So a lot of the ingredients also are like to prolong shelf life, correct?
• 19:56
  Yes, that's true.
• 19:58
  Exactly.
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  Yeah.
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  Whenever we eat processed foods that, you know, the shelf life is two years, we're like, it's not a not ideal.
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  Yeah.
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  You know, I was at um, I was at Mike Adams' um studio.
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  This would have been about a year ago in June.
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  I was out there, I was had done some traveling and was was in his studio, and he had a um a jar sitting on his shelf, and it was a hamburger from McDonald's, and it had a couple of little holes in the top, and it'd been sitting there for for four years and it had not degraded.
• 20:32
  And so that it was just uh a very great root visual visual of the things that they call food that aren't food.
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  I, you know, will tell people that you know the American Academy of Lifestyle Medicine.
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  Um, I really like their diet because anybody can do it.
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  The first thing is eat real food.
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  And so, you know, things that come in a can or a jar, they hand you out a window is not real food, you know, and eat mostly fruits and vegetables, eat organic, eat uh real quality meat, and don't eat so much, eat smaller portions.
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  Uh, real quality meat and don't eat so much.
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  Eat smaller portions.
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  And so that just makes it really straightforward because there are literally hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of different diets on the on the market.
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  And so that just makes it really straightforward because there are literally hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of different diets on the on the market.
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  I had a gal that used to work for me.
• 21:12
  I had a gal that used to work for me, this was quite a few years ago, that I wanted to know how many different diets were out there.
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  This was quite a few years ago that I wanted to know how many different diets were out there.
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  So she spent like two weeks going to like Amazon and Barnes and Nobles, and she she stopped at 1200 diet.
• 21:19
  So she spent like two weeks going to like Amazon and Barnes and Nobles, and she she stopped at 1200 diets, and it was wow.
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  And it was wow.
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  We don't need that.
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  We just need, like Bobby Kennedy says, eat real food.
• 21:35
  Oh, in your food, you know, in your plan in your book, um, the about the truth about seed oils.
• 21:41
  You have recipes and you have different suggestions for snacks.
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  Uh, before we go to the break, tell people about some recipes, simple recipes that they could do or simple snacks that they can switch out from their seed oil, junky snacks to something that's more healthy.
• 21:58
  Yeah.
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  So I just opened to the recipe section here.
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  So there's something for every type of eater.
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  There's vegan and also meat eater, and there's a lot of snacks and desserts too.
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  So my chocolate superfood bowls, those are the original first recipe I ever made when I was healing.
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  And those are made with almond flour, cacao powder.
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  You could add some almond butter or even peanut butter, uh, and then a bit of MCT oil, some hemp seeds, make them superfood, all so delicious, a bit of sea salt.
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  So those are a great go to if people just need a quick little dose of magnesium, antioxidants to relieve stress.
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  And then I've also got a recipe in here from my chicken bone broth soup, which is a process that's a three-hour process, but so worth it, making a big batch.
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  If anyone's getting any sinus issues or sniffles, you make that and drink that chicken bone broth, you're gonna be healed instantly.
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  It's so, you know, it's very, very powerful.
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  This recipe.
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  Uh, it's also we've got mini cashew cheesecakes in here, baked pasta.
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  Uh, we have recipes with olive oil.
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  We have homemade salad dressing recipes too.
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  You know, save your money.
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  Don't buy salad dressing recipe uh salad dressings.
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  They're full of seed oils and also refined sugar and preservatives and crazy things like that.
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  So you can make your own salad dressing.
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  Um, there's over 50 recipes in here.
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  There's pancakes, there's salmon, there's creamy tomato soup, there's a quinoa salad, beet brownies, a macadamia nut salad, uh buttery popcorn, bulletproof coffee.
• 23:34
  Yeah, some really, really delicious uh recipes in here.
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• 23:46
  I think that's true.
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  You know, the show it's it's right before dinner.
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  So it's really, really good.
• 23:59
  You know, you mentioned salad dressings, and I think that that is the number one culprit for seed oils that people don't realize how bad it is.
• 24:08
  You know, when I first started getting learning about seed oils, a lot of it was from you and I've and from other people that I was reading about.
• 24:15
  Uh, that was one of the first things I did as I came home and I threw all the seed, all of my salad dressings out that I like.
• 24:21
  And I was gonna donate them to the food bank, and I thought, why should I give poison to poor people to eat when it's not good for me to eat?
• 24:29
  No, I'm just going to dump it out and get and uh go get something else, or better, just make my own with you know vinegar and olive oil.
• 24:37
  I had um Dr.
• 24:38
  Patrick Porter from The Brain Tap tell me that if people just ate uh just a tablespoon of olive oil a day, not mixing it with anything else, but just uh a tablespoon of olive oil, or you could put it on your salad or on your vegetables, but really just a tablespoon of olive oil without heating it up, that it would decrease your risk of Alzheimer's by like 30%.
• 24:59
  It was huge just from that, just with that putting that healthy oil in your body.
• 25:04
  What do you think about that?
• 25:05
  Yeah, I've seen studies on that, and I think that that's very true.
• 25:08
  And Dr.
• 25:09
  Gundry talks about that as well.
• 25:10
  And you know, I love taking shots of olive oil.
• 25:13
  Sometimes I feel like I just crave it.
• 25:14
  I feel like my brain is just needing fats, and I'll just go and take a swig of olive oil.
• 25:19
  So I think that's a great hack.
• 25:21
  Do you make a difference between um with ultra fine or fine olive oil?
• 25:26
  Or how would you uh uh advise people to pick an olive oil to buy?
• 25:32
  Yes, you know, I just interviewed Evie from CoPA Foods last week and from my channel for Instagram, and she was talking about how when we go to the supermarket, especially cost going by olive oil, that they don't actually have to list it.
• 25:48
  That if you're buying cheap olive oil, it most likely is cut with vegetable oil and seed oils.
• 25:55
  There's no regulation that they have to say that on the label.
• 25:59
  So it's very important where we source good olive oil.
• 26:02
  So I love sourcing it from Co-Pow foods because she is she vets everything, Evie, and the olive oil she sources from California and from Italy, and she knows it's 100% olive oil.
• 26:16
  And you can do a test.
• 26:17
  You can put your olive oil in the fridge.
• 26:19
  If it sets hard, it is real olive oil.
• 26:22
  If it doesn't, if it stays liquid, it is seed oil or mixed with seed oil.
• 26:27
  You want to stay away from buying cheap olive oil.
• 26:30
  So very important what you're sourcing.
• 26:32
  And you know, don't don't buy it from Spain as well.
• 26:36
  Um, just gonna call Spain out because they sold out a few years ago to Monsanto, and so 80% of the GMO foods in Europe come from Spain.
• 26:46
  People don't realize that.
• 26:47
  People think, oh, Spain's so healthy Mediterranean.
• 26:50
  No, it's not.
• 26:50
  It's contaminated, and now all of their crops are contaminated.
• 26:54
  So stay away from any olive oil that says Spain.
• 26:57
  And uh actually some Italian brands will source it from Spain, but say it's Italian olive oil.
• 27:04
  So you really you really want to know the brands.
• 27:06
  But this is why on my website, you know, I vet brands.
• 27:08
  I personally know them, certain brands.
• 27:11
  I've been doing this 17 years.
• 27:12
  I I like to meet the farmers, the owners, and so yeah, everything's heavily vetted.
• 27:18
  Wow, and that's a really good test that everybody can do just really easily.
• 27:21
  Put your put your olive oil in the fruit in the freezer and see what happens.
• 27:25
  Another thing that I was advised was to buy only buy olive oil in glass bottles, not in plastic bottles.
• 27:32
  Always a better thing to do too.
• 27:35
  So I think this is a good place.
• 27:36
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  And we can do that one meal at a time.
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  Leanna Werner Gray is a certified nutritionist and a four-time best selling author.
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  She's appeared on many mainstream media television shows, radio broadcasts, and podcasts.
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  After overcoming various health issues on her own, including a golf ball sized tumor, digestive issues, chronic fatigue through nutrition, faith, and believing food is medicine.
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  She founded Liana's Organics, a supplement line for anxiety.
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  Born and raised in the Australian Outback.
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  Liana has been a dual citizen in America and my friend for a long time, since about 2010.
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  Liana, welcome so much to the show today, and thank you so much for being here.
• 37:42
  Thank you, Sherry.
• 37:43
  Thank you for having me.
• 37:44
  And I remember the first time we met, I was blown away.
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  I was at an event.
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  We were speaking at an event with Dr.
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  Batar.
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  Batal was there.
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  And I remember listening to you, and it was the first time I'd really learned about vaccines, and I was always wondering about it.
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  And being just naturally inclined, I figured, you know, they weren't good, but you just confirmed everything for me and just blew me away.
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  And I went up to you and I gave you the biggest hug after.
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  I don't know if you remember, but I was like, I love you.
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  I'm so grateful for you.
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  And then we've been friends ever since that day.
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  It was so special.
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  That's great.
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  Well, thank you for that little endorsement.
• 38:18
  You know, you said in your book, the truth about seed oils that food is more than just physical nourishment.
• 38:25
  And I know you personally well enough and how important spirituality is to your life and your message and your healing.
• 38:32
  How does removing processed oils affect both emotional and spiritual healing?
• 38:39
  Yeah, well, you know, sick people, we've all heard this.
• 38:43
  Sick people have just one goal, right?
• 38:46
  To get better.
• 38:47
  And seed oils just make us feel terrible.
• 38:50
  And they are linked to depression, anxiety, uh, Alzheimer's dementia.
• 38:55
  So we know that they affect the brain.
• 38:56
  We know that they affect our emotions.
• 38:58
  And so uh removing them, we just feel so much better, so much stronger.
• 39:03
  And also when we are sick and just bog down and wait down, it does affect our relationship with God because I mean, well, unless people press into God and like really dependent on him for help, but um, we don't, we're not able to live our purpose and be able to serve as well if we're emotionally not well, physically not well, spiritually not well.
• 39:24
  So, you know, for me, when I was sick, I was just consumed with getting well.
• 39:29
  And also when I was binge eating on junk food, I was consumed with the addiction because these foods are highly addictive.
• 39:35
  Fast foods, those fats are highly addictive.
• 39:38
  And so it just it changed, it's everything really.
• 39:42
  And you know, I was craving fried foods, fast foods every single day, and I would eat them every single day.
• 39:47
  And so we need healthy fats.
• 39:49
  If we deprive ourselves of healthy fats, we will crave the bad fats.
• 39:54
  So, and I started nourishing my body with all the good healthy fats, the good healthy oils, eating things like avocado, walnuts, grass-fed beef, wild salmon.
• 40:04
  I stopped craving fast foods, and I was like, wow, I I'm not craving them at all.
• 40:10
  You know, for that year, that every single day that I did the earth diet that I ate from nature, I didn't even think about fast foods.
• 40:16
  I was so nourished with the good healthy fats.
• 40:20
  Interesting.
• 40:21
  That's really interesting.
• 40:22
  How does it, how does um your spirituality play into good food and healthy fats?
• 40:29
  Well, you know, I've submitted my will to the Lord to the best that I can, and always every day doing that.
• 40:35
  And in that I've learned that God designed our bodies to eat certain foods.
• 40:40
  And you know, I I list love diving into the Bible.
• 40:43
  I have my the word of God right here.
• 40:46
  And it's just all laid out for us, how to eat, what to eat, what not to eat, and we know that the you know, what Jesus would have eaten.
• 40:55
  We know that when we study the scriptures, and it was all healthy fats and olive and olive oil was a big part of their diet, one of the top 10 biblical foods.
• 41:05
  So we know that they were eating healthy fats all the way back then and things like fish and lamb as well.
• 41:11
  We know that.
• 41:12
  So it just goes back thousands of years, and it's what worked.
• 41:17
  And so, you know, when we submit our will to God and we say, okay, God, my body's a temple for the Holy Spirit.
• 41:24
  What do you want me to eat today?
• 41:26
  God wants us to eat healthy fats every single day, and not those foods that are created by man, um, but also the enemy, the devil is, you know, he is running rampant right now on earth and contaminating everything the water, the food, the air, and forcing, you know, vaccines on people and all of that um to contaminate people's bodies.
• 41:47
  And so when we eat foods that God created for us, we are in alignment with that, and we can our bodies can host the holy spirit, and we need to stop eating foods that come from the enemy because that's what the enemy wants.
• 41:59
  The enemy wants you to eat seed oils and all of that toxic stuff every single day because it cuts people's lives short.
• 42:00
  Wants you to eat seed oils and all of that toxic stuff every single day because it cuts people's lives short.
• 42:08
  You know, people are cutting their life short.
• 42:08
  You know, people are cutting their life short.
• 42:10
  The Bible says that we can live for 120 years.
• 42:10
  The Bible says that we can live for 120 years.
• 42:14
  The people living for 60 years, 80 years, 90 years, you know, and they're cutting their life short.
• 42:14
  The people living for 60 years, 80 years, 90 years, you know, and they're cutting their life short.
• 42:21
  They're not able to live out their full purpose that God has destined for them because they are consumed with health problems.
• 42:21
  They're not able to live out their full purpose that God has destined for them because they are consumed with health problems.
• 42:28
  You know, so this is a problem.
• 42:28
  You know, so this is a problem, and I
• 42:29
  And I lived with chronic health issues for five years, which for some people seems very short because they've lived for with chronic health issues for a lot longer.
• 42:37
  But that five years was living hell for me.
• 42:40
  And I remember it.
• 42:42
  I remember how it felt.
• 42:43
  And so, you know, now lining up with eating God's foods, life is completely different.
• 42:49
  So that's just my hope for everyone is that they would do the same thing and experience that.
• 42:54
  But there is a detox that needs to happen with most people when they're coming from processed foods or eating fruits from the enemy, coming back to in alignment with eating God's foods.
• 43:04
  There usually is a detox, and it usually it's really tough, usually the first year, but after that, it's smooth sailing.
• 43:11
  But most people give up and they don't stick to it for a year.
• 43:14
  That's true.
• 43:15
  That's true.
• 43:16
  Well, what are some surprising foods that people may think are health foods that they may not realize that seed oils are hiding in those foods?
• 43:25
  Yeah, uh, well, we talked about salad dressings, right?
• 43:29
  People go to a restaurant thinking they're eating healthy, they're having some salad dressing when it's actually really toxic with the seed oil and refined sugar.
• 43:37
  Um, protein bars, like Quest protein bars, people think that those are healthy.
• 43:42
  Those are a toxic balm.
• 43:45
  Quest protein bars you want to stay away from.
• 43:47
  Like the original protein bar is grass-fed beef or you know, organic turkey, organic chicken, just pure protein, like nick sticks, for example, that is just pure meat, no nitrates, no nitrites, and redmans salt with some seasoning.
• 44:03
  That's it with oregano garlic, delicious, pure protein, no seed oils, really healthy fats, so things like that.
• 44:11
  Um, crackers, a lot of crackers have seed oils as well.
• 44:15
  People think that they're healthy, but crackers usually have wheat and seed oils.
• 44:19
  So you want to stick to healthier crackers like top seeds.
• 44:22
  If anyone loves crackers, topseeds are out of this world.
• 44:26
  The texture consistency is incredible, and they I had they use olive oil.
• 44:31
  So those are great.
• 44:32
  Uh, and then yeah, I have a whole list in here too of healthy fats versus unhealthy fats, unhealthy oils.
• 44:39
  I also have a list of all the areas where people will find seed oils, and um, yeah.
• 44:47
  So obviously, restaurants, 99.9% of restaurants use seed oils.
• 44:51
  There is an app called Seed Oil Scout, which you can type in your area and it will show you the restaurants that use seed oils versus the ones who don't.
• 45:00
  And if some are seed oil free, which is really helpful.
• 45:04
  Yeah.
• 45:05
  That's really great.
• 45:06
  I mean, and say the name of that app again for the audience.
• 45:09
  Seed oil scout.
• 45:11
  Seed oil scout.
• 45:12
  Well, that's easy to remember.
• 45:13
  We should be able to remember that.
• 45:15
  You know, there are good seed good oils like flaxseed oil and black human seed oil and um hemp seed oil, pumpkin seed oil, sesame seed oil that you have listed in your in your book about the truth about uh seed oils.
• 45:31
  Why are they considered good as opposed to the other ones considered bad?
• 45:35
  Yeah, well, because they go through a different process and also they're created by God.
• 45:40
  So the one like canola oil, for example, is completely man-made, as we talked about.
• 45:47
  And the way that they process it, they pump chemicals into it and it's highly heated.
• 45:53
  So take sunflower seeds, for example.
• 45:55
  Sunflower seeds are a true gift from God.
• 45:58
  They have a good ratio of omega-3s versus omega-6s, a lot of magnesium, iron, they are excellent.
• 46:05
  And also they grow like a weed too, they're very low maintenance.
• 46:08
  But when we can eat sunflower seed, we're getting the whole seed.
• 46:12
  It's the whole food experience, and it's really good for our brain digestive system, you know, science backs that up.
• 46:18
  But then when we take a sunflower seed and they heat process it into an oil, even if it's organic and they're not using all the chemical extraction process, it still has gone through a crazy process.
• 46:33
  Now the omega-6 to omega-3 ratio is different, and that's why sunflower seed oil is actually bad for us.
• 46:39
  And but sunflower seeds are really good for us.
• 46:42
  Sunflower seed butter, if you just take the sunflower seed and crush it, it's still good because it has all the fiber and the process is different to the sunflower seed oil.
• 46:52
  So it's always in the process.
• 46:54
  So I always tell people, you always want to think when you have a food about to go into your mouth, think what did this food go through?
• 47:01
  What kind of process did it go through from God and nature to get to my hand and about to enter my body?
• 47:07
  What process was that?
• 47:08
  And we know in the process if it's healthy and wholesome or if it's not.
• 47:14
  Wow, that's a really good rule to go by too, you know.
• 47:17
  What how did it get here?
• 47:20
  How do they get here?
• 47:21
  Yeah.
• 47:21
  And something like flaxseed oil or black human seed oil, cheese seed oil, you know, those oils are those are seed oils, but the process, there's a they're cold pressed.
• 47:34
  So nutrients are intact, there's no chemical extraction.
• 47:38
  And so those oils are actually really beneficial for us and really good.
• 47:41
  They went through a good process.
• 47:44
  So, other than throwing out all of your toxic um salad dressings, which I encourage everyone to do.
• 47:51
  And I'll tell you, you know, it's really hard when you walk down that if you walk down that aisle and you see all those um uh packaged um salad dressings sitting on the shelf, it's really hard to not buy them because they just sound good and it sounds like something that you would want to have, but you can take that same recipe and make it for yourself at home with the same sort of ingredients in it without having all the seed oils.
• 48:15
  So, other than just throwing away all of your toxic um salad dressings, what other steps can people take?
• 48:23
  Some immediate steps that they can take to start eliminating seed oils out of their cupboard and replacing them with something more healthy in their diet.
• 48:31
  Yeah, so the staples for sure, olive oil and avocado oil and coconut oil.
• 48:37
  So those are great to replace with.
• 48:39
  If you're looking for salad dressings, primal kitchen are amazing.
• 48:42
  They have organic avocado oil and olive oil-based salad dressings with seasonings, just straight up Greek, Italian, so delicious.
• 48:50
  They have all kinds of sauces and marinades too.
• 48:53
  So that's a good staple.
• 48:54
  I recommend to all of my clients to have because you know, if you can you can really spruce up a salad with those salad dressings, or you could do make some chicken wings, buffalo chicken wings and all of that.
• 49:00
  Spruce up a salad with those salad dressings, or you could do make some chicken wings, buffalo chicken wings and all of that.
• 49:06
  So that's a really good one to replace with.
• 49:06
  So that's a really good one to replace with.
• 49:09
  And yeah, you can get creative, but there are so many great brands as well that are out there.
• 49:09
  And yeah, you can get creative, but there are so many great brands as well that are out there.
• 49:13
  And you know, I talk a lot about that on my channel too.
• 49:13
  And you know, I talk a lot about that on my channel too.
• 49:15
  I vet the brands I do a lot of recipe development too.
• 49:15
  I vet the brands I do a lot of recipe development too.
• 49:18
  So you can either make your own, and then there is a brand to replace everything.
• 49:18
  So you can either make your own, and then there is a brand to replace everything.
• 49:22
  So you don't have to worry about that.
• 49:22
  So you don't have to worry about that.
• 49:24
  There is something to replace everything that you think that you will miss that's really healthy and wholesale.
• 49:24
  There is something to replace everything that you think that you will miss that's really healthy and wholesome, but so delicious as well.
• 49:32
  When you were doing the research for this book to write it, because you've written other books before, when you're doing this research, was there anything that you discovered along the way that was just kind of really surprising to you, something that you didn't know about that you put into this book.
• 49:48
  Yeah, well, the most disturbing study was the homicide study, which I was completely mind blown about.
• 49:54
  And it's something I think that we need to bring into the conversation more and talk about more is you know, five Western countries they studied, including Australia, the UK, and America was what where people were consuming seed oils, they have higher homicide rates.
• 50:08
  So that to me is shocking.
• 50:10
  That in itself, and that should speak to a lot of mothers too, to tell, you know, especially their sons and daughters that are at college, like you've got to stay away from seed oils because it can cause anger and can cause aggression.
• 50:23
  Uh, so I was really shocked about that.
• 50:25
  Also, I was just shocked about the Ansel Keys discovery, you know, the discovery that they built this whole system on this whole nutritional system.
• 50:33
  They built the food pyramid based on these false findings, and people bought into it, and it just goes to show that people need to question everything and bring it to God and test it with the spirit, because for 70 years, people believed this food pyramid and believed that seed oils were good for them.
• 50:52
  That just is so shocking to me.
• 50:54
  People need to think more critically, obviously.
• 50:57
  So, yeah, and also, you know, I just I was just blown away with I went down the rabbit hole of like what is seed oils linked to?
• 51:06
  And I was just blown away, it's linked to every single health issue that people are facing, every single health issue, you know, from um sluggishness, weight gain, obesity, cancer, dimension, Alzheimer's, was just shocked.
• 51:21
  And I was shocked how much science there was.
• 51:23
  And like all my books, you know, the publisher came back and was like, we need to cut this book in half because there's all it's just too much science.
• 51:31
  There's so much science, which is fine because now I have all this bonus material.
• 51:35
  And I just like to extract all of it.
• 51:37
  And also we're coming up against a 500 billion dollar industry.
• 51:41
  So I wanted to pull all the science, but I was shocked how much science there actually is, you know, on PubMed and things like that that show that seed oils are causing so many things, including uh anxiety, and a lot of people have anxiety these days, and omega 3 deficiency is a massive driver to why people have anxiety.
• 52:02
  It's why I had anxiety all those years ago.
• 52:04
  A blood test revealed I was deficient in omega-3 fatty acids.
• 52:08
  So when people eat the right healthy fats and they cut out the seed oils and cutting out those omega-6s, majority of them, their brain is improving, and people are noticing their anxiety is being healed just from switching the oils.
• 52:23
  Uh, I was also really just shocked to see the real cost of seed oils and just how it's not worth it.
• 52:29
  We talked about it's linked to oxidative stress in the brain immediately, inflammation immediately.
• 52:34
  It's the worst for the skin.
• 52:36
  You know, ladies, hair, skin, and nails, it's the worst for that.
• 52:40
  It's contributes to hair loss as well.
• 52:42
  Um, it also disrupts neurotransmitters.
• 52:45
  And you know, we're living in some tough times right now.
• 52:48
  We need all the neurotransmitted function we can get.
• 52:52
  It's also it damages our DNA.
• 52:55
  Uh, and also it disrupts dopamine signaling.
• 52:59
  We also need all the dopamine function that we can get during this day and age too.
• 53:03
  So we just I was just shocked to see how many people are just putting it into their body every single day and believing the lie that it's actually safe for us.
• 53:13
  And also it does um disrupt our endocannabinoid system.
• 53:18
  And when that's disrupted, you know, the endocannabinoid system, when it's in harmony, it goes and it can heal anything that needs to be healed in the body, whether it's the hormones, the ovaries, the gut, the brain, when that's disrupted, it can't do its job and and bring the body back to regulation and to heal the body.
• 53:35
  So it's very disruptive.
• 53:37
  I have a whole list here of saying the real cost of seed oils in here.
• 53:40
  Once everyone reads this book, they're never gonna want to eat seed oils ever again.
• 53:45
  Really great.
• 53:46
  Well, this has been a great conversation about you know the launch of your new book, The Truth About Seed Oils.
• 53:52
  And we've had, I think that we've given it a good overview here.
• 53:56
  But why should people buy this book read it and have it in their personal library?
• 54:01
  Well, not only will it show them the history of seed oils and how corrupt it is, and how you know they have been lying to us, this 500 billion dollar industry.
• 54:12
  It will show them the history and also it just has amazing recipes.
• 54:17
  And people can follow these recipes, and you know, I would recommend do it for seven days, see how you feel, do a shot of olive oil, eat all these incredible recipes, breakfast, lunch, and dinner, get all the healthy fats in, and you'll see your energy sore, your brain function, your cognitive function, your gut health, your digestion improve.
• 54:36
  So, you know, put it to practice, and it's also a very easy book.
• 54:41
  Like, look how thin it is.
• 54:42
  We made it short so people can read it in two days.
• 54:46
  And if people love science, you're gonna also love this book too.
• 54:50
  Well, that's perfect because it's like one stop shopping.
• 54:53
  You need you learn about seed oils, you learn about the good oils, and you get recipes, and it's short.
• 54:59
  So it doesn't get any better than that.
• 55:00
  That's awesome.
• 55:01
  Yeah.
• 55:02
  Well, Deanna, thank you so much for being here with us today.
• 55:06
  You know, it's a pleasure to see you.
• 55:07
  You know, we we're kind of like ships in a storm, you know.
• 55:10
  We keep missing each other when when you're in DC, I'm not, and when you're in Florida, I'm not, and all these other things.
• 55:17
  So I'm sure our paths will crash again here one of these days.
• 55:20
  And thank you for writing this really informative book.
• 55:22
  And for people that want to get that book, you can go to bookstore.drtenpenny.com, which is the store that we've set up where we put all of the authors that we have on our show.
• 55:32
  All of our authors are there, bookstore.dr 10penny.com.
• 55:35
  So it's just one shop stopping from our side too that you can look for for all the great guests and all the books and and works that they've done.
• 55:41
  So I want to thank all of everybody that's been here today and in the future.
• 55:45
  If you've watched this in the future, um, it's really an incredible source to put this book, The Truth About Seed Oils in your book and put it to use.
• 55:54
  I would say keep it in your kitchen so that you can pull it out and you can read the snacks and read what are the good oils and start playing around with the recipes so you can learn how to cook better, eat better, and and put these things into practice in your life.
• 56:00
  oils and start playing around with the recipes so you can learn how to cook better eat better and and put these things into practice in your life so I want to thank everybody who's joined us here today it's been just a pleasure having Liana here with us and so with that I'll close out with one of my favorite verses from the Bible that I close all my podcasts with whether it is live or pre-recorded which is Romans 1212 rejoice in hope be patient in trouble and be persistent in prayer which by the way I've got a three set devotional series coming out based on the on that verse uh the first book Rejoice in Hope is already out be patient in trouble is planned to be out around Mother's Day and the persistent in prayer will be out this fall so you can you can support me by by getting those from our store too so we want to say everybody to have a great rest of your day we will see you here tomorrow or the next time on the 10 penny piles.
• 56:07
  So I want to thank everybody who's joined us here today.
• 56:10
  It's been just a pleasure having Liana here with us.
• 56:12
  And so with that, I'll close out with one of my favorite verses from the Bible that I close all my podcasts with, whether it is live or pre recorded, which is Romans 12 12.
• 56:21
  Rejoice in hope, be patient in trouble, and be persistent in prayer, which by the way, I've got a three set devotional series coming out based.
• 56:53
  Goodbye and God bless everybody