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Talks to Mark Rawlins & Luke Molloy about his choice of The Talons of Weng-Chiang · A Hamster With a Blunt Penknife - a Doctor Who Commentary podcast

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  I'm still a little bump in my to do it quicker.
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  We're the bloom. I'm just the way the blood
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  tonight. Oh, welcome back to do with a
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  fun band knife. That sucks.
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  A commentary podcast with Joe Ford over there.
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  Say hello Joe. I like more cruel.
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  Porn star over there. Hello, Uncle free podcast.
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  We did it. Do an episode 5 of our threesome
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  Journey. Very talented.
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  And of wearing chaiienge and I won't, they've just stolen the
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  time cop. It's your face just on the time
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  cabinet there. After the cab it's really
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  heating up now, but don't just ask you guys.
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  If you're enjoying this, freeze them so far, it's one of the
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  best of us. It's nice to have some input,
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  you know, all the way through. It's very it's a very sexually
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  bent threesome but are essentially been honestly, I'm
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  happy. Not really much of the You're
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  interested in that sort of way for me really in this.
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  I don't think what men were you got ya?
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  Well yeah, there's a lot of men in it.
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  There's only there's only very handsome prostitute.
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  They're fabulous to go visual Feast for you.
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  What's the story is over, just push that.
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  What's this? The classic duct tape story with
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  the most sexiest men. What kinds of fabrics all those
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  soldiers? Good.
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  Yeah. Good answer.
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  Beautiful. Honestly, sigh all about that.
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  I was just sexual Awakening. What are you?
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  About what? Yes.
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  Okay, five, four, three, two, one.
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  What happened? If you just prepared something?
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  No, I was just looking up. I know we've mentioned big
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  finish before. I just know no more knowledge.
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  Just around this story because it's so much around the store.
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  There is like I'll just looking at what river song was doing
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  around in her story. So she visits.
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  Victorian London on the trail of an Akron.
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  Istic technology or nist anachronistic technology when
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  young women are stolen from the street.
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  She takes the stand Rivers investigation leads to the
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  theater to Henry Gordon Jago and his latest Star act license
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  Shang and the unnerving. Mr. Sin.
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  Basically River song has Talons Wang qiang before the talons are
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  going Chang, I think, like I said, like Lee said, you got
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  frozen after you left, right and Center.
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  So it looks like You know, the birth of a vulture vulture
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  Chief, you know I finish a like a vulture picking over the
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  corpse of Talons away in July. After that story here River
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  sister Jago warns him to be on his guard against Chang just as
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  the sound of the TARDIS. Landing is heard in the
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  distance. He's not really acting in this.
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  Like he's just met River Song and has been warned already
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  about. Hey, we should if we're gonna
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  finish big finish chat now, we should have mentioned And that
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  the fourth doctor Adventures when it starts starts
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  immediately after this story. Yes, when Tom Baker, first came
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  about Cups of Tea and they repeat the last line of talents
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  as the first line in destination nervous.
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  All the coming also mentioned that dragon-like for the meat
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  Ramana one, and two, in two separate.
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  Fourth Doctor Adventures as well, they get, they get
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  absolutely, yeah. World yellow this.
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  Yeah, they get everywhere. It was always a bit of a shame
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  to me that Tom Baker, never turned up in yoga and like foot.
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  Yeah, because they had look at it was coming back for a lot and
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  then, isn't there something in series 10?
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  I was reading the one with the master in it says, yeah, and
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  Colin bait and the sixth doctor, but they don't recognize him or
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  something, or there's something about that and apparently were
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  supposed to be Sylvester McCoy. But you can do it something like
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  that with Maritime and yeah, that's yeah.
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  But that's in the forced octave and They go online for series
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  obviously and he's a good one. But like actually in this series
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  it just feels like they kept using cold because he was
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  available cheap, I'll probably bid, he's got by those Crocs
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  somehow I love colored, don't get me wrong, always got the The
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  Peking homunculus even mad. What a great.
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  Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Yeah. She's got lovely sort of leafy
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  scarf on. Everyone quiet.
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  Well, it's about yeah. Just got quiet delivery series
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  that we should have waited till now really when they are about
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  to gets their army boy. Oh boy!
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  This is where the comedy really begin.
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  Ha ha ha. Yeah.
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  Oh my God. That's the sin doesn't.
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  He just announced the track this Dragon.
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  Let's go see This is unbelievable, isn't it?
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  This whole says great. Well, that's just out there
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  having that like made up. I think it's polystyrene.
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  It's well done. Looks like it's got old.
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  Yeah, it really does. And this is a set in episode 4 +
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  I5. Sorry.
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  So and that's late in my daughter's.
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  I think Maloney was saying that it's just red curtains around
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  the site they'd had run out of money, so they didn't, they had
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  to have curtains as the walls are all looks like state.
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  So if we if we didn't have this set, would we have had sets in
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  Underworld? Is that?
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  But I would say that like, this kind of That with that very
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  elaborate drag about that one. Be happy place like a Bond movie
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  or something like that. You know.
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  No standing in front of that sort of thing with the Chinese
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  head. So it wouldn't be any less
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  racist but I'm saying is the production value on the screen.
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  Yeah. Particularly for everyone's also
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  strong, isn't it? They didn't have to have
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  something like that. They could have gone.
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  They didn't you know, it's just all adds to it.
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  They really want to make this as best as it can be.
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  And this horrible liar is yeah, look at the power.
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  He's got yes, your punishment for disobeying me deaf, but
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  you've got to do it yourself. Yeah, it's literally making take
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  the pill himself. Oh, that's horrible.
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  The way axis as well. That's a very small part.
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  But Yeah, it's he's it really doesn't look nice.
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  Does it the sting of the Scorpion or whatever area them
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  take? It looks horrible.
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  And it's especially contrast. Because then since starts
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  laughing his head off, I touched on it a few times when every
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  time it ended about how good the Cliffhangers are.
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  But that is one of my favorite things about the Hinchcliffe
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  here because I know that he focused on It Meek and that
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  Cliffhanger really good, that makes Doctor Who sing I think
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  when you get the Cliffhangers so good particular favorites, one
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  of the whole Hinchcliffe here. Yeah, well definitely that
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  freeze frame from Genesis of the Daleks that we mentioned before
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  the freeze frame. In Deadly Assassin when he's
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  under the water. Don't wrap those train tracks
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  that. Yes.
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  Yeah. You know like that one day?
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  No. The one in shooting the
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  president is unbelievable. What about the hand in hand?
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  Our fear coming along so at least in the Android invasion is
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  my face. Yeah.
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  Yes, that is right, going? No l just wanted so shocking
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  because you just don't see it coming.
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  And the zygon want just for the noise when the nurse turns out
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  it's a horrible noise. This another like unusual ones
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  as well, like the boats crashing into the rocks of the horror of
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  fang, Rob Williams. Oh yeah.
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  Sorry. Well, I always think in my head
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  because horror of fang Rock has that atmosphere?
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  That Hinchcliffe story. Yeah, in my mind it's there and
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  then the lights come on for invisible enemy and it goes
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  cheap, but Brian Williams officially the first always
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  think horrifying Rockies. Yeah, I forgot how much I do not
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  in that. Who am I
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  I think the point we're trying to make here is there are many
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  if you think of like some of the best Cliffhangers and talk to
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  you, probably bank that over 70%.
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  There would be from this era. Yeah, I'll say the other folks
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  that are probably from Hot Wheels time.
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  He knew I'd stick your finger as well.
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  Anything anything? Throw it squeezed out in the
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  pipes and here's that noise and you guys blew this is before
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  they went to the closer the doctors face and the a that's
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  the that's the one sad thing about the culinary isn't it just
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  everything fungus. Hang on a second Vengeance.
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  On borrows has a brilliant Cliffhanger in the middle.
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  Yeah, it's about. You have a close-up of his face.
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  Just before that, it's the laughs that makes that one.
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  Is that polystyrene bus that comes at the camera revelation?
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  But you know what? This is a long-standing thing,
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  especially in comedy of having like, that class thing that's
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  going on the last, if somebody was Optimus, somebody who's
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  working class coming together and is very funny and very
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  touching. Yeah.
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  It is marvelous and I love the bit where Jay goes really scared
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  and says, I'm going to let the side down and then life said,
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  no, I know you won't, that's great.
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  It's great. Again.
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  It's the sort of thing you don't have time for these days know
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  who's moving at such a lick. You just, I'm not saying you
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  can't have decent characterization because you can
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  use you in the two-part as a bit of time.
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  Yeah. But you don't spend this amount
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  of time with people and it's great as we as the audience of
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  seen, both these characters with the dog to doing different
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  things in various parts, the story.
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  And now we're seeing them come together.
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  So it doesn't matter that there's quite a bit of time
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  without the doctor and Leela. We know these characters well by
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  now I think it's that that allows The be separate
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  characters as well, isn't it allows them to stand on their
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  own as to like Jagger unlike foot.
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  It's not like that. It's not like the other Robert
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  Holmes, double actor, you are. That's a deluxe because they've
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  already been established on the road.
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  She's in a bit there which I goes complimenting him and life.
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  It just goes. Yes.
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  Yeah. Sorry.
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  That's just like you. That is also you for a
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  compliment is weighs exactly the same.
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  So, queer a lot of paraphernalia.
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  It must have been some, our bedroom.
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  Actually do this in the morning but you've done really well
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  going too far with the sexual jokes.
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  I'll be very careful today and I honestly
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  just one file figure the cliff. I could say there's nothing
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  worse than just like a pathetic Cliffhanger and the one I always
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  think of is the hungrier When they just see the sirloin City
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  and it. And that was it at that?
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  No. No.
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  I hate. Is it just leaves your so flat?
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  When I do false, Jeopardy, like snake does.
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  Whereshegoes, like you've got a child's kill her.
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  Then this is like, yeah, we're going to kill the doctor and
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  you're like, yeah, they're crap. All just like someone puts a
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  sword to his neck and go. Right.
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  We're gonna kill you but I'll forgive it more in classic
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  because you get them every week and there's a bad Cliff.
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  I'm going you dr. It really wise meal.
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  So, I like a new doctors when they do something a bit more
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  interesting. I like the human nature on very
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  much where it's like your choice.
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  Yeah. It's great.
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  You know, but it's more like a make a decision as to how this
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  is going to go. Rather than you're in immediate
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  Jeopardy, this great. Yeah.
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  Russell is very good at that. He constantly wants to do a new
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  Cliff anger, doesn't he with his two partners?
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  I think it's bad. Wolf is the doctor telling The
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  Darlings. I'm coming for you.
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  Yeah, there's a behind-the-scenes.
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  Feature of Robert Schumann describing that I don't know if
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  you've seen it. Yeah.
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  But she even says it's his favorite Cliff.
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  I get he describes its so well of why it works so well, it's
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  quality rific. Although I think, oh my God, I
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  can't believe I'm about to do this, especially where you press
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  on, Steven Moffat can put together us.
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  I mean, the Cliffhanger at the end of time of angels, where is
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  like, you don't put any in a trap and yeah, bubble.
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  All right. Billy Graham Norton.
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  Did blunt that a little bit because it's this, fantastic.
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  Event. But I've got a surprise you.
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  But I think think profits at Great, it Cliffhangers, if I'm
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  being honest, he's going on here and like I much prefer the
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  Russell today. This one's a because a lot of
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  Steven Moffat seem to be character is revealed to be
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  someone. See, I've like Missy or you have
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  to war doctor or thing and I noticed that it's bedtime.
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  Darker opens is the pandorica opens?
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  Yeah, that is everything. You get all the Beaming.
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  And then it cuts back till the stars going out.
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  And it's just quiet. I think that might be my
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  favorite ever do. We actually see Chang's
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  disfigured leg now. No, but we are seeing them doing
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  taking some heavy drugs. So, this story is gonna do when
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  it prostitutes drugs. Yeah.
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  And that's what I mean about it. Like it goes on the Fine Line
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  because that's not what you think of.
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  When you think of talents are going to be a long.
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  Wait, if you've got that in the Doctor, Who story.
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  So easy to think oh that's the one with the drugs or The
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  Prostitute. He's don't think that both drugs
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  and prostitutes. And every doctor they stop big
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  finish being adult though. The only story that comes close
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  to this, these sort of elements is revelation of the Daleks,
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  which talks a bit about like necrophilia or something
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  nose-picking, and that's not bad.
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  Do you know what I mean? Yeah, it's got, its got a few
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  moments where you're like, it's He's cannibalism.
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  And all right. Is this obviously, like all the
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  highest-rated Sox, who stories are the serious ones?
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  So is there actually something in the fact that maybe Doctor
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  Who shouldn't be as silly as it can be because when you think my
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  top now I've just added the chase some time and the Rani.
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  So I wouldn't agree with. I'm just asking just generally
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  like the ones that come to the top here, you've got your
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  Genesis, you've got your caves, you've got this, they're all
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  say, Is, yes, then the ones I've stories online, and they're the
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  ones that people that they just don't believe that hasn't seen
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  Doctor. Who you wouldn't choose
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  something like necessarily type of the Ronnie or something like
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  to show you a new that you would want to choose something.
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  I don't know what I but that's, yeah, you do.
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  Go to those ones, don't you? Yeah, I think Genesis would be
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  really good world to show someone new, but then it's six
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  parts. That's the only thing I think I
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  might pull me off. Okay, I'm alright dragon out as
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  male. I maybe it's changed a little
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  bit now. Now in terms of of an opinion
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  generally like time there aren't any but that was what you said
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  job. So I'm still with you.
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  There's a reason I've not watched Islands, allowing time
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  for like two years because it's I couldn't sit through this all
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  the time. It's great when I put it on but
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  there is like they do for my comfort ones.
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  Yeah that's it. No genuinely though is that it
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  whenever I'm thinking of just I'll put something awesome
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  Series 7 just That one. Is she comfortable?
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  Isn't it from Sonora? Arthur on.
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  Oh, that's a good one. Classical tilt Smith emerges and
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  starts trying to snog Jenny. It gets a bit weird.
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  It's just funny. It's just, how will she loves
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  it, canceled? Okay, so now he's seen, Jay
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  Gordon Lightfoot. Wait, it's over-the-top.
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  Look at here, how are you? Gestures with his hands.
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  Yeah. It's, you know what I might take
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  back that comment from a couple of episodes ago, when I said
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  that he doesn't, or is the weakest part.
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  I've actually been with the little bits of seeing quite
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  impressive, Magnus Grill. I think I'm just about to say
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  he's not that big villain for me, like he doesn't make that
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  impact. What not big as in our Glacier
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  is very shallow, he's just not Paul of I like there's so many
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  other elements in the story that he does get a little bit size.
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  Not the most interesting element.
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  Nice meant to be the big bad but I think I did a disservice by
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  saying that he's not that good. Well, does that say something
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  about the rest of this story? Then when a very possible
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  villain is the weakest part of it.
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  Yeah. Says that this story is just
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  fucking Grazie marvelous. Yeah.
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  Oh, dear. Look at these men know quarks
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  are that is the vastness and he says back.
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  I stood a wall that a few times of the glowing statue.
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  I think you've ever noticed that before.
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  It's just gorgeous and look at the depth in the shot as well.
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  I love that shot. That's the moving towards sin
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  and Grill them from the Dragon. I think David Maloney knew how
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  to keep the show. Visually interesting all the
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  time. If you look at his stories, the
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  war games Genesis of the Daleks mind, robber my neck, and keep
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  it looking good, and not that cheap thing.
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  That's so easy. If it's up to who to listen to
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  it, never fails. I think it's the budget rather
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  than his ability to definitely Oh see ya there's no sign of the
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  doctor illegally here. They are literally holding this
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  story which is confident isn't it from Robert house
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  perspective? It's just wrote this on the page
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  but he knows how good the characters are they look at
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  jegos been strangled while we at the theater, so he doesn't know.
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  Sorry. And Grill is like consistently
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  violent for out this as well. He's violent was Lila towards
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  Jay. Go towards his henchmen Leela's
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  violent towards him. The fallen leaves everyone
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  really gives us good. She's yeah, she does.
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  Yeah, when she comes in with a knife shouted, he do.
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  I bed for? Yeah, I mean now we're being
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  anti disabled list as well. Not as bad as time lash, but
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  what you do, it's funny. He's mentioned before about the
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  bomb filled because like, it has very similar wrong values.
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  Does that it's exactly how a Bond film treat lid, the Chinese
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  and it's exactly as they would be the henchmen as well.
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  The Bond films, other disabled villain, most of the time got
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  some sort of this for. Even the most recent one, it's
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  still a thing that has not changed and Layla would be the
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  bottom girl. Yeah we paying.
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  This is ye oldie James Bond. It's nice.
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  Probably too much of a stretch to say.
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  This is not food, was James Bond, but by Forever, Yours me.
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  But also like the way the boss is Builder.
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  You see and bonjour for, you know, your little boss and then
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  you get the big bad. Like we've had Chang, he's gone
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  now. We've got a grill, I missed the
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  sins like that. Comedy scary henchmen, that
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  you're odd jobs that there was this parallels.
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  There is, I don't know what, he's a very fine line between
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  being Embarrassingly funny, and very Sinister and sin crosses
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  that line beautifully. Yeah.
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  You could be like, well, that's just absurd, dull.
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  Then you put a, you put a knife in his hand and make him laugh
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  and you kill shh. Well, that's scary.
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  What's occurring? Now, the don't just got the
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  lattice thing. The key.
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  That's right. So they've got the lattice.
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  He's got the cabinet. Yeah.
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  See. Now this is spinning.
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  Its plates a bit now, in terms of law.
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  Yeah, it's you sort of waiting to get to the, The Showdown at
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  the end now there. But, you know, you've got little
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  it going, we'll get our weapons in fixed positions, to guard the
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  approaches. Really good.
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  I've had a cold but you only see that little space where you
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  don't, then he puts it back on and it's not like he's walking
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  around like but we know, I'm not sure.
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  But you know, that that's under yeah.
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  And that's definitely the right thing to do.
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  I look at this, these two girls that are being kept in a
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  dungeon, but when he needs to suck them, dry Horrible, you
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  know what you do? I mean suck up their life.
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  Essence dry ever since that are said well done, you've just got
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  to sleep backs against the wall. He does say Disney.
• 23:38
  What I'm speakable horror is to perform these two girls.
• 23:43
  We know because we're privy to, what's happening?
• 23:46
  Yeah, they've been sucked. We're going to get sucked
• 23:48
  anyway. Oh my God, Is It episodes when I
• 23:51
  go in the dumbwaiter done way? Yeah, it's the best Yeager like
• 23:56
  that scene. Don't worry.
• 24:02
  I say Jagger. Look at this.
• 24:04
  It's a dumbwaiter I'm not very peckish right now.
• 24:09
  I'm surprised you are too. During cold.
• 24:32
  I never realized how little Sergeant quick is in this.
• 24:36
  I think it's just, it's just in that tiny bit at the beginning,
• 24:40
  isn't it? Well, the girls only in one
• 24:42
  state gets the smell history, isn't it?
• 24:48
  Is there anyone for the story that hasn't anyone at all?
• 24:52
  Okay, see, okay, see. Okay, see, I think it might be
• 24:56
  the only, it was a missing Adventure as well with Shadows
• 25:02
  Wen qiang qiang. Yeah.
• 25:04
  What happens in that? They feed a Mackenzie.
• 25:06
  Yeah, I've got it. I've never read it.
• 25:08
  It's very sad. Yeah, I'm like, I might look it
• 25:11
  up and see when it's there. Well, huh.
• 25:13
  Cries when she was in that one which I her life and she doesn't
• 25:16
  go. Well, this all seems a bit
• 25:17
  familiar. It's there.
• 25:19
  It's there a story. I feel like it could be on audio
• 25:21
  where this just mr. Sin.
• 25:26
  I remember that. Did he bring mr.
• 25:29
  Simba. It put might be and possibly in
• 25:32
  Jagger and like foot. But then I think they realized,
• 25:35
  oh shit, you can't speak so that you you're listening to it and
• 25:38
  it's just clothes weeping. Angels, I don't usually stop
• 25:41
  them. Oh well, it says, here, the
• 25:42
  shadowing chaiienge, the only returning character from talents
• 25:45
  is mr. Sin or maybe it's that so I'm
• 25:53
  not sure. No.
• 25:53
  What is that Alistair Pearson? Doing those covers?
• 25:56
  Great, those missing Adventure covers.
• 25:58
  So. Yeah, I like them covers like
• 26:00
  like photo-realistic covers. So we weren't in the eigth
• 26:04
  doctor books. A couple, a couple of podcasts
• 26:06
  ago. I, when I was like 18.
• 26:12
  What Black Sheep? You talk about the covers.
• 26:14
  No, no. I just when I was 12 13, I just
• 26:16
  got the ones that some of the most interesting.
• 26:18
  So I had like the infinity doctors and the ancestor cell,
• 26:22
  and I are used to read them. Not have a bloody clue what was
• 26:25
  going on because I was, because I was a kid, I didn't have any
• 26:28
  clue about the build-up to it or anything.
• 26:31
  Ah, grills, got Lila all in there in the Burgh.
• 26:35
  Only a shadow when Chang you got K9 and canines?
• 26:38
  Laser sets, mr. Sins wooden parts of Aya.
• 26:42
  It's a really horrible face. What was that?
• 26:45
  K9 sets. Mr. Simms wooden Parts on fire
• 26:48
  apparently in the book. Wow.
• 26:55
  Fight directed. What is he doing with the golf
• 26:59
  club the before? She get this.
• 27:01
  She just fannying around when I hope she's watching.
• 27:03
  You said, she don't know. Yeah.
• 27:09
  Yeah. No, no.
• 27:10
  It's just how do we write that cliffhanger?
• 27:14
  It is good but I prefer some of the others in this story.
• 27:17
  I think the time cabinet one is the best one.
• 27:20
  It's great. Towards the end of a story where
• 27:22
  sometimes in a six-part it can get a bit repetitive.
• 27:25
  It's great. You've got that new element or
• 27:27
  that. Yeah and it's an extra shock
• 27:29
  just to get you in to Part 6, their makeup is brilliant.
• 27:34
  I've got some questions fellas, you ready?
• 27:36
  Yeah. Lit.
• 27:37
  Roundels. A tell roundels arse did Doctor
• 27:41
  Who Peak here is? Tom Baker ever truly again as
• 27:45
  focused and as powerful as he is here, and would this been a good
• 27:51
  place for Lila to leave? Okay, well, recycling first to
• 27:56
  good. Yeah, we start from the start,
• 27:57
  what was the first one? Again, it did Doctor Who peek
• 27:59
  here. Pretty much probably like any
• 28:03
  think about it? Obviously you get over high
• 28:05
  points throughout doctor day. But when we're talking every
• 28:08
  talking consistency and the Golden Age and the audience,
• 28:13
  probably, yeah, in terms of like quality maybe until season 26.
• 28:21
  Yeah. It should value Pete.
• 28:23
  Dialogue. Pick Direction and Peak
• 28:25
  offensiveness. Yes, I'm Peak audience, though.
• 28:28
  I know city of death but that was obviously like this.
• 28:30
  Strike and everything was getting sort of 11 inches 12
• 28:33
  million, wasn't it? Yeah.
• 28:35
  Okay, it's Tom Baker ever truly again as focus and as powerful
• 28:38
  as is here. So I think he's powerful and to
• 28:43
  be fair focused in different episodes but I think it's more
• 28:46
  by accident than than it is in the first three seasons.
• 28:52
  I think he works really hard and being focused on his character,
• 28:57
  the first three, and then he's earned the right to Do what you
• 29:02
  want with the role after that. And to be honest, like, let's
• 29:04
  see if he was around for Seven Seasons.
• 29:06
  You wouldn't want him to keep playing it like this.
• 29:08
  By the time, see season, 18 came along.
• 29:11
  I love that he's in his era. Is he kind of there's different
• 29:14
  shades each time? Yeah, I that's what I like about
• 29:16
  Capaldi's here as well. But no, he said, he's definitely
• 29:21
  as powerful. I mean, that bit in the pirate
• 29:23
  Planet, but what's it for? Yes, I love but then it has
• 29:28
  something to do with Tom Baker. Here are After this, Philip
• 29:31
  Hinchcliffe is gone. So, is that everybody since that
• 29:34
  he's known since he started like Elizabeth sladen, is gone,
• 29:39
  Philip Hinchcliffe. It's a whole it's just sort of
• 29:42
  Tom Baker now and a whole new lot of some of the products.
• 29:45
  You see what I'm saying? Maybe that might be the feeling
• 30:02
  after this then I think I think. Yeah.
• 30:04
  Yeah. When everybody that saw him into
• 30:06
  the show's go little. Yeah.
• 30:08
  It's just him. Yeah.
• 30:10
  And his ego would this have been a good place for Lila to leave?
• 30:16
  I don't think so. She's only just started.
• 30:19
  Well only if they were going to do the series then she could be
• 30:22
  in it with Jago life her. And now it's a really hard on
• 30:25
  actually because yeah, she also just started but she doesn't go
• 30:29
  anywhere for me. And I love but like I said
• 30:33
  before like Lila makes every story better in Christ.
• 30:39
  I don't want season 15 to just be Tom Baker, one of the cabbage
• 30:43
  on his shoulder, didn't they? So yeah I mean just think if we
• 30:46
  didn't if she left here we never would have had destination
• 30:49
  overall return to tell us and that would have been a shocking
• 30:53
  loss grief. And I think that it would have
• 30:56
  been great for the character. So to end here, just Of these
• 31:00
  three stories. Really strong.
• 31:02
  You go. Oh my God I wish we had more.
• 31:05
  Yeah that's it anymore. That it's forward.
• 31:07
  But she left. Well no, I mean no, it's my
• 31:13
  answer. I like Lila.
• 31:14
  I thought more did there was thoughts of a bringing bringing
• 31:17
  her back at the end of season 80 as a love Dart.
• 31:21
  I'm yeah. And any big finish that she's in
• 31:23
  has made better the War. Doctor sets a pretty dreary and
• 31:26
  then she turns up towards the end and makes it a million times
• 31:29
  better. She's making the Gallifrey
• 31:32
  series Continuing Story in that. I'm too scared to go together.
• 31:39
  It's great is good. It's like The West Wing on
• 31:42
  Gallifrey is amazing here. I think it will draw.
• 31:45
  My, it's pushing the Bellingham as the Mad Inquisitor dark or
• 31:50
  yeah, the brilliant. Jesus.
• 31:52
  We're gonna start a big finish by my Mr. Michael says, examine,
• 31:56
  the significance of the relationship between Jago and
• 31:59
  Lightfoot. In this story.
• 32:02
  Well I think we've done that many gonna go over the facts 13
• 32:07
  but almost all I'll say is this. Yeah.
• 32:10
  Is is that our and I would do this reading on anybody at all
• 32:14
  but I don't think they're at it. That's how Charming me.
• 32:18
  This is played and written is I will not even say that if I
• 32:22
  think men in close quarters in danger together or not at it, I
• 32:27
  think the best thing is that the Feel like very close friends
• 32:31
  from the instantly me to the yes.
• 32:35
  And I think I've said this a million times before, and I'm
• 32:38
  going to say it again because we were making is the best carrots
• 32:41
  and Doctor Who are the ones that you believe had a life before,
• 32:44
  the story began and would go on to have a life after the story
• 32:47
  and some characters feel like they're just tailor-made for the
• 32:50
  Doctor Who Story and there's nothing to them beyond that
• 32:53
  these to feel fleshed out before after.
• 32:56
  And during yeah, these two you could write spin-off books like,
• 33:00
  Lightfoot's Memoirs of his time before.
• 33:03
  You know I don't do that and say you say he could write their
• 33:06
  life stories as like a national money to be finished, it will be
• 33:14
  really interesting is whole free.
• 33:17
  You know lives for them. Have you seen this a this sort
• 33:21
  of it but there's a story set from the perspective of their
• 33:26
  see. Yes and it's red but one of my
• 33:30
  favorite actually Stephanie kolp, it's meant to be really
• 33:32
  good. Yeah, not heard it when she was
• 33:35
  in big finish. Oh no, that was the abandoned as
• 33:38
  written by Louise Jameson. I've not got to that one yet
• 33:41
  always really terrible organizations.
• 33:43
  I've just finished the evil one which was very disappointing.
• 33:47
  Oh yeah. The master brainwashes Lila
• 33:50
  using memories of her dad to kill the doctor has got to be
• 33:54
  Briggs had say many elements that should have been Great and
• 34:01
  it just didn't even do any sort of new take on.
• 34:04
  Who am I? I was waiting for.
• 34:05
  Who am I the whole time? No.
• 34:08
  But I have to say boys that there will be a pig without a
• 34:10
  pong if we don't get a shift on. Sorry, lets out this episode
• 34:17
  with her by now.