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EX-STEPMOM CHANGES STORY: 'I SAW WHAT HAPPENED' THE NIGHT HALEIGH, 5, DISAPPEARED · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, a five year old little
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  Speaker 1: girl seemingly vanishes into thin air from her own home,
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  Speaker 1: But tonight the ex stepmother changing her story, claiming, I
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  Speaker 1: saw what happened the night Haley just five disappears. Well
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  Speaker 1: that's news to a lot of people. Good evening, I'm
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  Speaker 1: Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being
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  Speaker 1: with us.
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  Speaker 2: We'll just look over her that story openly.
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  Speaker 3: Can't find what I okay, what's your aggress Greenlane?
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  Speaker 4: Good?
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  Speaker 5: What's the numerical one?
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  Speaker 3: You're cool little the number green Lane? Okay? When did
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  Speaker 3: you last see her?
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  Speaker 6: Oh?
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  Speaker 5: You know it was tetical. She's keeping queen.
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  Speaker 7: Okay, how old is your daughter you saw?
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  Speaker 5: Okay?
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  Speaker 1: I don't remember hearing anything in the whole nine one
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  Speaker 1: one call the States.
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  Speaker 5: I saw what happened.
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  Speaker 1: I saw what happened to five year old Elly Cummings.
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  Speaker 5: I didn't hear anything about it right there. In fact,
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  Speaker 5: I hear just the opposite. But you know what, let's
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  Speaker 5: listen to a little more.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe the ex stepmother, a misty, will explain herself.
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  Speaker 5: Listen.
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  Speaker 7: Okay, well was she last you worry?
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  Speaker 6: Ma'am?
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  Speaker 5: You were saveing?
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  Speaker 3: Okay, all right. You said your back door was wide
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  Speaker 3: open almost all I said, okay, the listen to me,
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  Speaker 3: your back door was wide open? What are you talking about?
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  Speaker 5: A bricky?
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  Speaker 8: What?
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  Speaker 2: What is the brick?
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  Speaker 1: What is the brick? The brick is where the back
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  Speaker 1: door was propped open. As I recall, it was more
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  Speaker 1: like a cement block. But again, we are listening to
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  Speaker 1: the ex step mom, and that's straight in my head,
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  Speaker 1: the ex step mom of.
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  Speaker 5: Five year old little Haley. You're hearing Misty Cross and
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  Speaker 5: he makes a nine one one call.
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  Speaker 1: And also if I could hear that particular segment of
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  Speaker 1: the nine to one one call again, because I hear
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  Speaker 1: a male voice who I believe to be Ronald Cummings,
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  Speaker 1: Haley's bio dad, yelling who grabs a little girl.
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  Speaker 5: In the middle of the night. He ain't buying it either.
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  Speaker 5: I'm with you, Cummings.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, let's hear that one more time and listen out
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  Speaker 1: for Ronald Commings.
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  Speaker 5: This is Heley's father.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, well we'll.
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  Speaker 6: See what lasting worry, ma'am.
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  Speaker 5: We're using.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, all right, you said your back door with wide open.
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  Speaker 9: Almost was all I.
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  Speaker 3: Said, Okay, the door. Listen to me, your back door
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  Speaker 3: was wide open. What are you talking about?
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  Speaker 5: A bricky?
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  Speaker 4: What?
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  Speaker 3: What is the brick?
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  Speaker 5: Okay?
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  Speaker 1: The nine one one dispatch also has a problem with
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  Speaker 1: the X step mother Misty Cross and story. Okay, I
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  Speaker 1: know people get really upset when they're on nine one
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  Speaker 1: one they're trying to report something. Joining me in All
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  Speaker 1: Star Panel, but first I want to go to a
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  Speaker 1: special guest joining us, the lead detective in the Hailly
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  Speaker 1: Cummings disappearance, John Marshall, and let me tell you something.
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  Speaker 1: He has put blood, sweat and tears into trying to
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  Speaker 1: find five year old Haley Cummings.
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  Speaker 5: John, thank you for being with us.
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  Speaker 1: Do you hear the seeming confusion and the X step
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  Speaker 1: mom Misty Austin's voice, She's like, uh what First she's
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  Speaker 1: explaining they were asleep and she jumps to the back
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  Speaker 1: door being propped open with a brick, and the nine
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  Speaker 1: one one dispatched going what what do you hear?
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  Speaker 5: The nine one one call? Does that not cause you concern?
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  Speaker 5: John Merchant?
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  Speaker 10: Yeah, Like I said, from the very beginning, from the
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  Speaker 10: inception of her number one call, her inconsistencies remain. She
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  Speaker 10: told story after story after story, and you hear it
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  Speaker 10: from the number one call on until later on in
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  Speaker 10: the cage till she comes up because she witnesses what happened.
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  Speaker 1: It's amazing to me and John Merchant. I hear everything
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  Speaker 1: going on the background. I want to thank you for
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  Speaker 1: being with us while you're on duty. Guys, let's listen
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  Speaker 1: to more of the nine to one one call.
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  Speaker 5: What do we learn? A real quick huh?
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  Speaker 3: And there was a brick laying there sting. We gotta
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  Speaker 3: come and came, We gotn't comment.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 3: What's the color of your house, ma'am? Blue? Okay?
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  Speaker 5: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Now joining me in addition to John Merchant and an
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  Speaker 1: all star panel, Rob Hardwick is with us, the Saint
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  Speaker 1: John's County sheriff, former assistant chief investigator for the State's
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  Speaker 1: Attorney's office. He, along with John Merchant, investigated this case.
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  Speaker 1: You know what, there's no way we can let go
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  Speaker 1: of this case because justice has not been obtained. And
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  Speaker 1: I know Rob, you and John Merchant feel the same.
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  Speaker 1: When I hear Misty Crosslin and her story, her concocted
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  Speaker 1: story and the near hyperventilation in her I'll tell.
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  Speaker 5: You why she's worried. She's not worried about Haley. Oh, ah,
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  Speaker 5: she double.
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  Speaker 1: Lno, she's worried because Ronald Cummings just got home from
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  Speaker 1: the night shift and he's like, what the f who
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  Speaker 1: comes in and steals a.
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  Speaker 5: Baby out of the house in the middle of the
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  Speaker 5: night and you.
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  Speaker 9: Slept through it?
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  Speaker 5: And he's right, it's bs. I mean, you had to
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  Speaker 5: do a backflip when you heard this story for the
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  Speaker 5: first time. Hardwick sure, and Nancy.
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  Speaker 8: In the time that she opened her mouth, of course,
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  Speaker 8: on February tenth, at three am in the morning time,
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  Speaker 8: and she has lied every single time that she's open
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  Speaker 8: mouthed since then. And with that being said, we have
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  Speaker 8: done so many resources in this case since two thousand
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  Speaker 8: and nine because of her inconsistencies, her lies, her cover ups,
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  Speaker 8: when we could have maybe got Haley back in the
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  Speaker 8: early hours and recovered her if she would have been truthful.
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  Speaker 9: But she has let us down.
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  Speaker 8: Every single wrong path, lying, bringing us to sites where
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  Speaker 8: bodies have been done for research. Divers were in the
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  Speaker 8: water in these creeks at Shell Harbor Marina found gators,
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  Speaker 8: alligator's teeth and fingernails and tonnails in there looking for Haley.
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  Speaker 8: But again, she's since the time she opened her mouth Nancy.
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  Speaker 8: She's been a repetitive and a compelling liar, and she
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  Speaker 8: does it to this day while she's serving a prison sentence.
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  Speaker 1: I have gone over that area, that very area with
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  Speaker 1: a fine tooth comb. I have looked through every location
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  Speaker 1: that has ever been mentioned, and you're right joining me. Also,
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  Speaker 1: in addition to Rob Hardwick, Saint John's County Sheriff John Merchant,
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  Speaker 1: former lead detective in this case, is a very special
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  Speaker 1: guest as well, Terry Shoemaker.
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  Speaker 5: He is the lawyer for Ronald Cummings. That's Haley's bio.
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  Speaker 1: Dad this out and I verified this myself out working.
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  Speaker 5: At night. I just morn his family literally punching a clock.
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  Speaker 1: Have you ever had to do that? Because I had
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  Speaker 1: at Sears and Roebuck. You punched a clock to show
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  Speaker 1: exactly when you go in.
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  Speaker 5: And when you leave.
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  Speaker 1: I hear Ronald in the background raising teetotal hell, how
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  Speaker 1: in the world could somebody come into the house.
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  Speaker 5: And steal my daughter on your watch? And that's why
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  Speaker 5: Misty Crawlson was so hyped up.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Absolutely, I mean we all know that Ronald was at
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  Speaker 4: work that night. He was never a suspect because you
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  Speaker 4: know his whereabouts were always verified. He gets home and
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  Speaker 4: all of a sudden he finds out his daughter's missing,
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  Speaker 4: and you know, and Misty is starting with the lies
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  Speaker 4: right from the get go, So of course he was upset.
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  Speaker 4: Of course he was very aggressive, and of course he
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  Speaker 4: was very concerned. But you know, Misty never once and
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  Speaker 4: all the times I met with her, and all the
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  Speaker 4: times that my talked or she never once gave any
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  Speaker 4: indication of what had happened that night.
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  Speaker 1: The story is changing about what happened to five year
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  Speaker 1: old Haley Cummings. And I know that Ronald Cummings, the
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  Speaker 1: bio dad, has had a lot of ups and downs.
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  Speaker 5: But as I've told many.
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  Speaker 1: A jury, what do you want on the witness stands
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  Speaker 1: a nun, a priest, a virgin Because I don't have that.
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  Speaker 5: I don't have that to put on.
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  Speaker 1: But what I do have is a bio dad who
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  Speaker 1: comes home from work and I can verify you as
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  Speaker 1: at work, and he can smell a crop full of
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  Speaker 1: bs a mile away. So what more do we learn
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  Speaker 1: from the nine to one call? This is important because
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  Speaker 1: you are hearing the stepmom giving her first rendition of
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  Speaker 1: the facts.
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  Speaker 5: Listen, Okay, what's your back door?
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  Speaker 1: Locked.
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  Speaker 2: You know, yes, but I thought always sa.
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  Speaker 5: Okay, let me speak.
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  Speaker 1: I just got over work before real daughter is gone.
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  Speaker 4: I'm wanted to be here.
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  Speaker 3: All tell me versus Hanley, we got too often.
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  Speaker 2: By fine, whoever has my daughter before, y'all do I'm
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  Speaker 2: killing him.
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  Speaker 7: I don't do it.
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  Speaker 2: I'm gonna resk my life in prison. I'm telling you
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  Speaker 2: can put it on record, and.
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  Speaker 3: I don't do Okay, it's okay, sir.
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  Speaker 5: We got him on the way.
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  Speaker 1: I know Ronald Cummings. I have spoken to him in person.
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  Speaker 1: I have talked to him many many times, and you
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  Speaker 1: hear him. I believe he's completely innocent in his daughter's disappearance.
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  Speaker 5: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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  Speaker 1: Uh, let me go to you, Rob Hardwick, Saint John's
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  Speaker 1: County Share a former investigator on this case, Rob Hardwick.
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  Speaker 1: But you learn who's telling the truth. Now, you can
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  Speaker 1: be tricked, that's for sure. Sure, But you kind of
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  Speaker 1: turn into a human lie detector. And I don't care
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  Speaker 1: what anybody says about Ronald Cummings. He was telling the
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  Speaker 1: truth about his daughter's disappearance. I believe him completely. Do
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  Speaker 1: you hear his voice when he walks in on that
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  Speaker 1: crap show orchestrated by the stepmom, Misty Crosslin.
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  Speaker 8: Sure, Nancy, that goes back to when he actually went
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  Speaker 8: to work, of course, on the ninth or February to
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  Speaker 8: PDM Bridge. It starts there, so that initial nine one
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  Speaker 8: one call comes in again. Misty already has the plan
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  Speaker 8: in place, she already knows what's going on, and Ronald
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  Speaker 8: walks in to a mess. Basically, his five year old
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  Speaker 8: daughter is missing, his three year old son is still there.
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  Speaker 8: And then you got Misty who again the time she
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  Speaker 8: pick up the phone at three am or three seventeen
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  Speaker 8: in the morning time, she immediately starts lying and he
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  Speaker 8: comes into that storm.
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  Speaker 9: You're absolutely right, Nancy.
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  Speaker 1: What about a John Merchant? You investigated this case and
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  Speaker 1: it's still haunting you.
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  Speaker 10: Yeah, and all the conversation have with Ronald, I would
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  Speaker 10: describe Ronald as a non perfect person. He lived a
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  Speaker 10: life that was probably something we would approve of, But
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  Speaker 10: he's absolutely innocent when it comes to what happened to
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  Speaker 10: his daughter. He was at work, just like you described it.
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  Speaker 10: He was at work doing what was right, making a
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  Speaker 10: living for his family, and that's exactly where he was
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  Speaker 10: at at the time he comes home to a girl
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  Speaker 10: who has began a fabrication of a of a of
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  Speaker 10: a long story. And that's what he walked into. And
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  Speaker 10: you can hear the anger in his voice, and any
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  Speaker 10: any conversation I ever have with Ronald, his anger never
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  Speaker 10: went away. Even when he married her, he still always
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  Speaker 10: had in the back of his head something's not like
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  Speaker 10: when ultimately he divorced.
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  Speaker 1: But because of that, yeah, I couldn't believe it when
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  Speaker 1: he actually married her, John. But I want to be
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  Speaker 1: clear about something that you just said. You said he
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  Speaker 1: has led a life that we wouldn't.
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  Speaker 5: All approve of. I want to be clear. I am
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  Speaker 5: not the church lady.
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  Speaker 1: I don't care who sleeps with who, if you gamble,
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  Speaker 1: if you drink, I don't care.
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  Speaker 5: That's on you.
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  Speaker 1: What I do care about is anything that's got crime
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  Speaker 1: scene tape around it, specifically a missing child who I
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  Speaker 1: believe is dead. I think she's dead, and I think
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  Speaker 1: she's been dead a long time. And let me go
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  Speaker 1: back to you. Everybody jump in again. We ain't having
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  Speaker 1: a high tea at Windsor Castle to Rob Hardwick. Did
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  Speaker 1: you know she was lying at the time?
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  Speaker 9: You know, we have to take the facts.
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  Speaker 8: Of course, that we get at the time of the
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  Speaker 8: nine one one call, and Nancy, as you know this
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  Speaker 8: very well in your entire team, you got to take
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  Speaker 8: what's given to you in the very beginning.
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  Speaker 9: That's what we had to go by. Was again the
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  Speaker 9: time is ticket. We got a five year.
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  Speaker 8: Old baby basically missing out of a trailer in Putnam County,
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  Speaker 8: and I think you all know this from the map
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  Speaker 8: there too. You have seven Sisters Islands, which is connects
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  Speaker 8: to the Saint John's River through Trout Creek just a
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  Speaker 8: few maybe even one hundred yards away. So time is
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  Speaker 8: ticking to find this child. So you have to take
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  Speaker 8: what you initially have. Triage that beggars can't be choosers.
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  Speaker 8: You know this very well, and you've got to work
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  Speaker 8: with it. And then of course you have a dad
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  Speaker 8: in a panic boat coming home knowing damn well that
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  Speaker 8: his daughter is gone from that house and not in
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  Speaker 8: that house, and the last one to see her in
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  Speaker 8: that home.
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  Speaker 9: With Christy Croslin, there.
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  Speaker 1: Is no doubt in my mind that Misty Cross on
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  Speaker 1: the X stepmother was lying about the disappearance of five
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  Speaker 1: year old Heley with me an all Star panel. But
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  Speaker 1: now to investigative reporter with Crime Online dot Com Dave
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  Speaker 1: Mack joining us. Dave, I focused a lot so far
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  Speaker 1: on the niem on one call, and I'm going to
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  Speaker 1: go back to the nine on one call because when
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  Speaker 1: a defendant, a suspect or person of interest is actually
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  Speaker 1: the one that calls nine one one, Davis, you've known
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  Speaker 1: from covering so many criminal cases, that may be the
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  Speaker 1: closest you ever get to a suspect's statement, because once
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  Speaker 1: they're ever arrested, they lawyer up, or what they think
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  Speaker 1: they're gonna get arrested, they lawyer up and they don't
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  Speaker 1: say anything, and that's perfectly okay, that's their right under
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  Speaker 1: the constitution. But the closest we may ever get to
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  Speaker 1: what Misty Crossland was saying.
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  Speaker 5: About what happened is this nine to one one call.
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  Speaker 5: I'm gonna circle back to it, Dave mac.
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  Speaker 1: But first, could you explain to people unfamiliar with Haley
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  Speaker 1: Cummings's disappearance what happened that not in Satsuma.
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  Speaker 11: Haley, just like any other five year old, was put
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  Speaker 11: to bed around eight to fifteen that night by her
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  Speaker 11: babysitter slash girlfriend slash stepmom, Misty Crossland.
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  Speaker 2: At about three o'clock in the morning.
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  Speaker 11: Misty Crossling says she got up to get a drink
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  Speaker 11: of water from the bathroom and as she was coming
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  Speaker 11: back to bed, she saw Ronald Jor but did not
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  Speaker 11: see Haley. Haley Cummings was not in the bed where
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  Speaker 11: she had been. Now, as she's doing that, Ronald Cummings
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  Speaker 11: comes home from work. I mean he's walking in home
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  Speaker 11: from work at the moment Misty Crossland begins to say
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  Speaker 11: Hayley's missing. So that's where the nine one one call starts.
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  Speaker 11: And by the way, Ronald Cummings had to tell her
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  Speaker 11: call nine to one one and happen at three seventeen am.
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  Speaker 11: I know you're gonna round up back to this, but
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  Speaker 11: you know what you can. Hear Ronald Cummings like any
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  Speaker 11: other father in the background on that nine to one
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  Speaker 11: one call.
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  Speaker 2: He's just letting it go and you know what, Nancy.
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  Speaker 11: At one point, Ronald Commings grabs the phone and says,
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  Speaker 11: y'all are taken too long and hangs up on nine
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  Speaker 11: to one one.
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  Speaker 2: He was that frustrated and he didn't believe Missy. Who
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  Speaker 2: does this? Who takes a kid at three in the morning?
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  Speaker 2: Come on?
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  Speaker 11: And yet he had to roll with what her story is.
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  Speaker 11: And now you said she fixed her story right then,
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  Speaker 11: So any change.
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  Speaker 2: She makes is a lie. Anything other than what she
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  Speaker 2: says on that nine to one one call is a lie.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, Terry Shoemaker, you tried a lot of cases, guys.
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  Speaker 1: He is the lawyer representing the biodad Ronald Cummings, and
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  Speaker 1: not necessarily in this case, because he has spoken with
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  Speaker 1: me freely about that night. He's gone on air with
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  Speaker 1: me in the search for Haley, and he has not
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  Speaker 1: asserted any Fifth Amendment right to remain silent in the search.
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  Speaker 5: For his daughter.
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  Speaker 1: He's gone over and over the story with me, and Terry,
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  Speaker 1: I wanted to go to you on a point of law, well,
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  Speaker 1: really a point of evidence. When a defendant or any
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  Speaker 1: witness makes a statement great then later if they add
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  Speaker 1: to the statement, they embellish the statement great er, all right,
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  Speaker 1: because maybe they weren't out asked the right questions the
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  Speaker 1: first time, and upon correct questioning or more in depth questioning,
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  Speaker 1: they may reveal more of the facts and it may
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  Speaker 1: jog their memory about certain details they did not mention
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  Speaker 1: the first. But when they begin changing the story, there's
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  Speaker 1: the problem. What about it, Terry Shemaker.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, they always say the truth is a
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  Speaker 4: straight line, you know, and it never changes that once
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  Speaker 4: they give that first story or the first statement, if
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  Speaker 4: it's the truth, it's always going to stay the same.
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  Speaker 4: It's going to remain constant. As soon as they start
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  Speaker 4: changing what happened, where it happened, when it happened, how
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  Speaker 4: it happened, you can start asking questions as to did
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  Speaker 4: it really happen that way or are they trying to
• 18:28
  Speaker 4: lie and cover stuff up? So absolutely, the truth never changes.
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: What we understand from Missing Haley's ex stepmother, the story
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: is changing. I've tried to get her to speak to me.
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: She hates my guts, and that's to put it mildly,
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: and don't worry, Cralsland. The feeling is mutual. But the
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: closest I'll ever get to hearing your statement is this.
• 18:58
  Speaker 5: Listen, So, okay, sir, let me talk to your wife.
• 19:02
  Speaker 5: So let me get an Okay, can I talk to Ron?
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: Okay, ma'am, yeah, okay, listen to I mean, answer her question.
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: Does the door look like it was cried open? Does
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: it look like it did it look like you had
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: the sort of someone trying to enter into your house.
• 19:30
  Speaker 5: Okay, that right right there. She's already taking a lie
• 19:33
  Speaker 5: and we're still talking to nine one one the night.
• 19:36
  Speaker 5: He only goes missing.
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: First she said there was a brick of sorts holding
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: the door open. Now she's saying that it looked like
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: somebody pride the door opened. And I don't know if
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: you can tell what Ronald Cummings is saying in the background.
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: It's hard to understand him, but he says to Misty
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: cross On the stepmom, how the did you let my
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: daughter get stole? Yeah, that's real. Let's listen to that
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: one more time.
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: So, okay, sir, let me talk to your what so
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: let me get a mess?
• 20:12
  Speaker 5: Okay?
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: Can I talk to rot okay, ma'am? Yeah, okay, listen
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: to I mean, answer some questions. Does the door look
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: like it was cried open? Does it look like it
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: did it look like you had the sort of someone
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: trying to enter at your house?
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: Oh?
• 20:44
  Speaker 5: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
• 20:50
  Speaker 11: Haley Cummings vanishes in the middle of the night, and
• 20:53
  Speaker 11: her father, Ronald comings, tells living girlfriend Misty Crossland to
• 20:56
  Speaker 11: call nine to one one right away. Crosslin makes the
• 20:59
  Speaker 11: call at three seventeen to report Haley missing, and while
• 21:01
  Speaker 11: she's on the phone, Ronald Cummings gets agitated that is
• 21:04
  Speaker 11: taking police too long to get to their house and
• 21:06
  Speaker 11: hangs up the phone on nine to one one. Nine
• 21:08
  Speaker 11: one one calls back and the dispatcher tries to get
• 21:10
  Speaker 11: Misty Crosslin back on the phone to get more information.
• 21:13
  Speaker 11: Cummings has heard on the recording saying he doesn't care
• 21:16
  Speaker 11: if he goes to prison for the rest of his life.
• 21:18
  Speaker 11: He will kill whoever has taken his daughter, and.
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: Very wisely, those in charge of the investigation immediately call
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: in the cane ies. Those guys are with me right now,
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: but first listen to Nicole Parton from Crime Online.
• 21:32
  Speaker 7: Misty Croslin tells nine to one to one dispatch she
• 21:35
  Speaker 7: is asleep with Haley and Ronald Junior when she awoke
• 21:39
  Speaker 7: around three am to go to the bathroom. She realizes
• 21:42
  Speaker 7: Haley is gone and the back door of the trailer
• 21:45
  Speaker 7: is open and a brick is placed to keep the
• 21:47
  Speaker 7: door propped open. Haley is described as a curly headed
• 21:51
  Speaker 7: girl between forty and sixty pounds wearing pajamas. The dispatcher
• 21:56
  Speaker 7: instructs Misty Kroslin and Ronald Cummings not to touch the
• 22:00
  Speaker 7: back door anymore as canines are on the way to
• 22:03
  Speaker 7: see if they can pick up Haley's scent.
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: To Rob Hardway, Saint John's County Sheriff and the former
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: assistant chief investigator for the State Attorney's office that investigated
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: this case at the time Haley first went missing, bringing
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: in the dogs first thing was a great move. Very
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: often we see a long delay before the canines were
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: brought in. What happened the night the cane eyes were
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: brought in on what if anything did they hit?
• 22:31
  Speaker 4: Sure?
• 22:32
  Speaker 8: So Nancy actually, when the bloodhounds were actually brought in,
• 22:34
  Speaker 8: we actually asked for mutual aid out of Tomoka cresh Institution.
• 22:39
  Speaker 8: Tomoka creuesh Institution is a prison just to the cellar
• 22:41
  Speaker 8: of where the actual disappearance occurred in the next county.
• 22:45
  Speaker 8: Those were some of the best bloodhounds in the state,
• 22:48
  Speaker 8: if not the United States.
• 22:50
  Speaker 9: These Bloodhouns came in.
• 22:51
  Speaker 8: We actually had canines from surrounding agencies to include the
• 22:54
  Speaker 8: Putnam County Sheriff's office and I G when I say
• 22:56
  Speaker 8: k nines mostly bloodhounds. When the dogs actually exited the
• 23:00
  Speaker 8: trailer onto Green Lane. Some when of course westbound per
• 23:04
  Speaker 8: se which is down to Saint John's River or Crowd Creek,
• 23:07
  Speaker 8: and some went eastbound, and the trail actually ended near
• 23:10
  Speaker 8: a row of mailboxes or a stack of mailboxes for
• 23:13
  Speaker 8: the trailer park or that immediate area. So we had
• 23:15
  Speaker 8: some positive alerts in different directions.
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: Positive alerts in different directions. John Merchant, formerly detective in
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: this case, I'm trying to figure out what that means.
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: Where the dogs were hitting. Could that have been where
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: Haley had been playing in the neighborhood or do you
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: believe it was her path that night, the night she disappeared.
• 23:41
  Speaker 10: Personally at this point, I believe this. I believe what
• 23:45
  Speaker 10: the dogs did is probably her last track. Everything indicates
• 23:49
  Speaker 10: towards the water, and that's what we have to go on.
• 23:52
  Speaker 10: There was some other positive alerts on the front shide
• 23:55
  Speaker 10: of the mobile home toward the mailboxes. That could have
• 23:58
  Speaker 10: been something that happened earlier in the day, eight earlier
• 24:00
  Speaker 10: in the week. I can't really say for sure, but
• 24:03
  Speaker 10: I know the more consistent effect from the canines. It's
• 24:06
  Speaker 10: different canines that were used, all went toward.
• 24:08
  Speaker 9: To take them.
• 24:09
  Speaker 5: And by g you Rob Hardwick joining us, what do
• 24:12
  Speaker 5: you make of it.
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: What does it mean, was that where she was just
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: before she was kidnapped or just before she was killed
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: right there?
• 24:20
  Speaker 5: Or was that where she had been playing in the neighborhood.
• 24:22
  Speaker 8: Well, you know, you look at the map, of course
• 24:24
  Speaker 8: of Green Lane, and just like Merchant said, green Lane
• 24:27
  Speaker 8: actually dead ends into Trout Creek of course, Saint John's
• 24:30
  Speaker 8: River on one end, and then the other end actually,
• 24:32
  Speaker 8: which is all dirt roads, ends on Buffalo Road, Buffalo
• 24:36
  Speaker 8: Bluff Road. So again, those canines which we rely on
• 24:39
  Speaker 8: so heaving, these are canines that actually were bloodhounds that
• 24:41
  Speaker 8: do this where they track human scent. And we don't
• 24:44
  Speaker 8: get this in a lot, Nancy, where we actually have
• 24:46
  Speaker 8: fresh clothing, fresh scent. Well, of course, when Haley went
• 24:49
  Speaker 8: missing from this trailer on Green Lane, we had dirty clothes,
• 24:52
  Speaker 8: we had her scent, the immediate scent.
• 24:54
  Speaker 9: But this is a problem though, and we talked about
• 24:56
  Speaker 9: this earlier. Is let's back up to eight point fifteen.
• 24:59
  Speaker 8: Is misty the truth that she put the baby to
• 25:01
  Speaker 8: bed at eight fifteen, that she went to bed at
• 25:03
  Speaker 8: ten o'clock. And then the other question too, Nancy, is
• 25:06
  Speaker 8: we'll go back and given the track to the canines
• 25:08
  Speaker 8: she says, this rear door is propped open near the
• 25:11
  Speaker 8: laundry room, but she doesn't exit the rear door and
• 25:14
  Speaker 8: look when the child is missing out the door. So
• 25:16
  Speaker 8: we give this information to our bloodhounds and we go
• 25:19
  Speaker 8: in the best information. But these bloodhounds tracked in two
• 25:21
  Speaker 8: different directions, which exactly like mister Merchant said. It could
• 25:24
  Speaker 8: be earlier tracks where she had been playing or actually
• 25:27
  Speaker 8: when she was still alive.
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: Joining me is a renowned forensic psychologist who specializes in
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: capital mitigation and victim advocacy.
• 25:37
  Speaker 5: You can find her at panthermitigation dot com.
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: Doctor Sherry Schwartz, Doctor Sherry, you have closely listened to
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: the nine to one one calls where the ex stepmother
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: Misty Craslin, is giving her version of what happened when
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: Haley disappears on her watch, claims that Heley had been
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: sleeping with her and then she wakes up in boom.
• 25:59
  Speaker 5: Haley's gone.
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: First says that the door would be imprompted open with
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: a brick, and then says it looks like somebody pride
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: it open. I mean, in the space of three minutes,
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: has already contradicted herself.
• 26:13
  Speaker 6: Yes, Nancy and I actually remember this case when you
• 26:16
  Speaker 6: covered it when it first happened, and I remember thinking
• 26:19
  Speaker 6: to myself.
• 26:20
  Speaker 5: That it made no sense.
• 26:21
  Speaker 6: A little five year old girl. You don't notice she's
• 26:24
  Speaker 6: missing until you wake up to go to the bathroom. Well,
• 26:28
  Speaker 6: who put the cinder block at the door, the little
• 26:30
  Speaker 6: five year old girl? Or was the door pride open
• 26:33
  Speaker 6: and you didn't hear that? Because my recollection is that
• 26:36
  Speaker 6: the trailer wasn't very big, So if Haley wandered off
• 26:41
  Speaker 6: by herself, there would have been noise, her trying to
• 26:44
  Speaker 6: open the door, her trying to put a cinder block,
• 26:47
  Speaker 6: which I don't even think would be physically possible, or
• 26:51
  Speaker 6: somebody came in and took her.
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: I don't know how many hundreds of statements, thousands of
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: statements everybody on this panel has sifted through before. But
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: to Terry Schumaker, who's the lawyer for Ronald Cummings, Haley
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: Cummings father, her biological father, who was by all accounts
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: devoted to her. When you can't keep your story straight
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: for three minutes, that's the problem.
• 27:20
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, if you can't tell one story after
• 27:22
  Speaker 4: another story and sound like the same story, then obviously
• 27:25
  Speaker 4: you're lying. And nothing you say can be believed. So
• 27:29
  Speaker 4: you know, law enforcement did everything they could with Missy
• 27:32
  Speaker 4: to try and get her to cooperate and get her
• 27:35
  Speaker 4: to answer questions truthfully. But you know, from the moment
• 27:39
  Speaker 4: I met her to the moment she went away to prison,
• 27:43
  Speaker 4: I can't tell you how many different stories she told
• 27:45
  Speaker 4: me about what took place that night.
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: That must have twisted your client, Ronald Cummings's stomach. He
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: must have just been sick when he hears all of
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: her changing stories.
• 27:56
  Speaker 4: Terry, Yeah, you know, And every time I talk to him,
• 27:59
  Speaker 4: he was like, I can't understand why she won't just
• 28:01
  Speaker 4: tell me the truth, you know.
• 28:02
  Speaker 9: And somebody asked earlier.
• 28:04
  Speaker 4: Maybe it was you? About all we had married her,
• 28:07
  Speaker 4: And I remember him telling me when I asked the
• 28:09
  Speaker 4: same question, He's like, you keep your friends close and
• 28:12
  Speaker 4: your enemies closer. And he was hoping that by marrying well,
• 28:16
  Speaker 4: maybe she would one day open up and tell him
• 28:18
  Speaker 4: what really happened. And when he realized that was never
• 28:21
  Speaker 4: going to happen, and she was just going to continue
• 28:23
  Speaker 4: lying and continue leading him down a false path, that's
• 28:27
  Speaker 4: when he got the divorce for.
• 28:29
  Speaker 7: Eighteen months, mister Croslin says she awoke at three am
• 28:33
  Speaker 7: and Haley is gone and the back door is open now,
• 28:36
  Speaker 7: She says, her cousin, Joe Overstreet, comes to the trailer
• 28:40
  Speaker 7: to get a machine gun owned by Haley's father, Ronald Cummings.
• 28:44
  Speaker 7: When Overstreet doesn't find the gun, Croslin's attorney, Robert Fields, says,
• 28:50
  Speaker 7: Haley Cummings is taken as a substitute for the machine gun.
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: What a machine gun? What happened to waking up in
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: the middle of the night to go to the bathroom
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: and realizing that Haley's gone? Where's this coming from?
• 29:06
  Speaker 5: Listen?
• 29:06
  Speaker 12: Misty Crossland tells nine to one one dispatchers and her
• 29:09
  Speaker 12: boyfriend that she woke up at three am to get
• 29:12
  Speaker 12: a drink of water and finds Haley missing in the
• 29:14
  Speaker 12: back door open now. She says, that isn't what happened.
• 29:17
  Speaker 12: Misty Crossland's attorney says, the night Haley Cummings disappeared, Crosslin
• 29:21
  Speaker 12: and Haley's younger brother, Ronald Junior, cowered under a sheet,
• 29:25
  Speaker 12: hearing screams from Haley as the five year old struggles
• 29:27
  Speaker 12: against her abductor. Crossland claims she gets a glance at
• 29:30
  Speaker 12: the abductor and knows who he is.
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: Ohkay, So now machine guns and kidnappers. Next thing, she'll
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: pull a Jodyarius and tell the tell us the kidnappers
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: wearing black ninja outfits where their faces covered. Dave mac
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: Crime online dot Com investigative reporter.
• 29:49
  Speaker 5: You know what, if a little.
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: Girl's life wasn't on the line, I would be tempted, tempted,
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: just barely tempted, day to laugh. Really armed in traders
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: with machine guns come in and steal Haley. And we're
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: just hearing about this almost two years in Okay, what's
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: thede story?
• 30:13
  Speaker 5: Tell me about the machine guns?
• 30:16
  Speaker 11: She actually claims again, remember she didn't know who did it.
• 30:19
  Speaker 11: It was middle of the night, woke up, she was gone.
• 30:21
  Speaker 11: Now she not only knows who took Haley, she saw
• 30:25
  Speaker 11: it happen and cowered away. But even in her statement
• 30:29
  Speaker 11: a year and a half after the fag Nancy, she
• 30:31
  Speaker 11: can't even lie in the right order, because you know,
• 30:35
  Speaker 11: she acts like she's cowering under and gets a glance
• 30:39
  Speaker 11: at the person stealing Haley. She says that Haley is
• 30:42
  Speaker 11: either covered in a black blanket or put into a
• 30:45
  Speaker 11: black bag, and that this person, now she knows him,
• 30:49
  Speaker 11: well enough to know that, Oh, he came here for
• 30:51
  Speaker 11: a machine gun. See, all of this is not my fault.
• 30:53
  Speaker 11: It's Ronald's fault. Ronald promised him a machine gun. And
• 30:57
  Speaker 11: when the guy gets here, I'm assuming he looked all
• 31:00
  Speaker 11: around this trailer and didn't find the machine gun, and
• 31:03
  Speaker 11: so he took Hailey as a down payment or as
• 31:06
  Speaker 11: a replacement or something. It makes absolutely positively no sense
• 31:11
  Speaker 11: that she claims she got a glance of him in it,
• 31:14
  Speaker 11: because in that story the Joe Overstreet, her cousin.
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: Would have just come into the trailer, grabbed Haley and run.
• 31:21
  Speaker 11: But he came in and looked for the machine gun
• 31:24
  Speaker 11: and didn't find it in the story as well, So
• 31:27
  Speaker 11: which one is it?
• 31:29
  Speaker 9: Even in the lie?
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: It boggles the mind.
• 31:32
  Speaker 5: This woman hates anyone that gets close to the truth. Listen,
• 31:38
  Speaker 5: they're recording everything, y'all do I mean, how how how
• 31:42
  Speaker 5: can we not see each other?
• 31:43
  Speaker 11: We are not co defend And I think Nankey Great
• 31:46
  Speaker 11: needs to keep her mouth shut until she knows the fact.
• 31:51
  Speaker 9: All kind of crazy cry out.
• 31:54
  Speaker 5: All about you and Haley and it's it is yeah.
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: A BS.
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: I guess you're a big BS or two. Rob Hardwick
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: So what do you believe happened that night? Because I
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: guarantee you the X stepmother, Missy Crasslin, did not just
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: wake up and go to the bathroom and peek over
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: and go, oh.
• 32:16
  Speaker 5: My stars, Haley's gone.
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: That didn't happen, and nobody broke in with machine guns
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: and then took Heley. Okay, so what really happened? Where
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: is Helly Coummings. I got a bad feeling. I've got
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: a bad feeling based on one thing. One thing, somebody
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: that can't lie, and that's a dog. Sure, best witness
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: I ever put on the stand was a dog held
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: up pretty well on across exam too.
• 32:47
  Speaker 5: So what happened? Rob Hardwick?
• 32:49
  Speaker 8: You know, Nancy and I hate him and give Missy
• 32:51
  Speaker 8: any credit at all, But let's give this girl some credit.
• 32:53
  Speaker 8: She's been a manipulative, compulsive liar since her first No
• 32:57
  Speaker 8: One one call at three am in the morning, and
• 32:59
  Speaker 8: we've had to deal with that for years, by the way,
• 33:01
  Speaker 8: I mean dragging us around to makee up crime scenes,
• 33:05
  Speaker 8: to you know, to interviewing people that had nothing to
• 33:07
  Speaker 8: do with this case. He changes her entire story at
• 33:10
  Speaker 8: eighteen months later of what happened to misty where little
• 33:14
  Speaker 8: Ronald was at n I mean she starts throwing every
• 33:16
  Speaker 8: end of the bus, so I too, Nance, I'm going
• 33:18
  Speaker 8: to go back on my belief and what our canines
• 33:20
  Speaker 8: can do, our blood, they're trained to do this. These
• 33:22
  Speaker 8: are multiple dogs that hit on the same location. So
• 33:25
  Speaker 8: I'm going to agree with you and tell you that
• 33:26
  Speaker 8: I'm not gonna You've done this before, you prosecuted cases
• 33:29
  Speaker 8: and put people on the stand where this says the
• 33:31
  Speaker 8: canine is actually what actually gives us the evidence in
• 33:33
  Speaker 8: the case.
• 33:34
  Speaker 9: And I believe we're in the case. I'm going to believe.
• 33:36
  Speaker 8: I'm going to agree with mister Merchant, and I believe
• 33:37
  Speaker 8: that body was down in the water that night. Again,
• 33:41
  Speaker 8: that's a fast moving river and saying John's River, it
• 33:43
  Speaker 8: flows into the Barge Canal to the south. So I
• 33:45
  Speaker 8: believe she was in the water. My personal opinion, And
• 33:48
  Speaker 8: I'm going to ask you.
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: You know what people say, there's no such thing as
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: a stupid question. I'm going to ask you what I
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: think is a stupid question. You know why stupid because
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter her And it took
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: me years years as a prosecutor sitting in court looking
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: over child molesters, drug lords, murderers.
• 34:11
  Speaker 5: And I think, why would you do this and leave
• 34:14
  Speaker 5: such a wake of pain like a speedboat behind you?
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: Why?
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: And it took me about five years, in believe it
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: or not, Rob Hardwick, before I realized why?
• 34:24
  Speaker 5: Ask why?
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: Because why doesn't matter. I have one job and one
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: job only, and that is to seek the truth, whether
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: I like the truth or not. But I'm going to
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: ask you, I'm going to go out on a limb.
• 34:38
  Speaker 5: Why Why? Because I believe five year old Heilly comings
• 34:43
  Speaker 5: was dead.
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: When she left that house. I don't think she walked
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: down to the water and jumped in. I think she
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: was killed and thrown in the water. But why why
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: was this little girl killed?
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: Rob?
• 34:59
  Speaker 8: You know, Nancy, as we looked back in this case
• 35:01
  Speaker 8: and did so much work in this case, you looked
• 35:03
  Speaker 8: back for so just the upbringing of Missy by herself,
• 35:06
  Speaker 8: and the evilness of course that she.
• 35:08
  Speaker 9: Doesn't know any different, any better. And this is one
• 35:10
  Speaker 9: of things, Nancy, she drove us to all these.
• 35:13
  Speaker 8: I mean, I'm one of the investigators back in the
• 35:15
  Speaker 8: case where Putnam County Sheriff's Office had dragged around a
• 35:17
  Speaker 8: jail numerous times on these bogus lies where we went
• 35:21
  Speaker 8: looking for Haley's body, or went to these crime scened
• 35:24
  Speaker 8: areas looking for Haley's body.
• 35:26
  Speaker 9: She ran us a monk the entire time.
• 35:28
  Speaker 5: It reminds me so.
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: Much John Merchant, Lee detective in the Haley Commy's case
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: at the time, John Marsh, it reminds me so much
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: of top mom Casey Anthony, who led police all over
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: from here to timbuckto down a pig path.
• 35:42
  Speaker 5: You know what a pig path is. You can't catch
• 35:45
  Speaker 5: a running pig, It's impossible.
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: A pig path is like a crazy circuitest ziggy zaggy path. Okay,
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: John Merchant. She has led like a top mom Casey Anthony,
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: led and investigators to this place, to that place, to
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: this place.
• 36:03
  Speaker 5: To that place.
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: It was all a lie and held an incredible composure
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: the whole time.
• 36:10
  Speaker 5: And that is what Misty Croslin did.
• 36:12
  Speaker 10: Yeah. I think a pig pat would probably be an
• 36:15
  Speaker 10: understatement when it comes to her. She has led us everywhere.
• 36:18
  Speaker 10: She's led us from. I have no clue till I
• 36:21
  Speaker 10: witnessed it. And here's where the body is. And like
• 36:24
  Speaker 10: Chief Herbert said, we have been from crime scene, the
• 36:27
  Speaker 10: crime scene, escorted her to the location to location, and
• 36:32
  Speaker 10: we still have nothing. We have nothing but Misty Craslin
• 36:36
  Speaker 10: telling why after life.
• 36:38
  Speaker 5: Then they find out what happened to Haley, everything would
• 36:41
  Speaker 5: be different.
• 36:42
  Speaker 9: I know, I can't believe they will. Don't believe, you know,
• 36:47
  Speaker 9: I know it's ridiculous.
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: Because they got my bark that's so high.
• 36:50
  Speaker 5: Just because of that, and that's not fair. This has
• 36:52
  Speaker 5: nothing to do with it. I know that that's exactly
• 36:55
  Speaker 5: what idiot, that's what they think I'm going to break.
• 36:57
  Speaker 5: There's nothing to break me on, so they need to
• 36:59
  Speaker 5: leave me.
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: All okay, my head is actually hurting right over here
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: to doctor Seri Swartz, Boy, do I need a shrink?
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: I may need a drink, but I definitely need a
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: shrink since I'm a teetoel er can't have that drink.
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: Doctor Serry Swartz, did you just hear her?
• 37:16
  Speaker 5: Me me me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me,
• 37:18
  Speaker 5: me and me? What about the missing girl?
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: She's mad because her bond isn't low enough for her
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: to get out. She says, quote, they need to leave
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: me alone.
• 37:31
  Speaker 5: They think I'm gonna break. I'm not gonna break. Who
• 37:35
  Speaker 5: is this woman?
• 37:36
  Speaker 4: Well?
• 37:36
  Speaker 6: The sad truth is. And I don't know Misty Kralsland,
• 37:40
  Speaker 6: but I'll say this in general, people that are high
• 37:42
  Speaker 6: in psychopathy and narcissism have very low levels of anxiety.
• 37:47
  Speaker 6: And so this is why she will never break She's
• 37:50
  Speaker 6: not lying about that they will never break her because
• 37:53
  Speaker 6: she doesn't suffer the physiological and psychological consequences that the
• 37:58
  Speaker 6: rest of us might suffer under similar high pressure circumstances.
• 38:02
  Speaker 6: And she is only concerned for herself. That's evident in
• 38:06
  Speaker 6: all of the recordings, and as I recalled, there were
• 38:08
  Speaker 6: many where she's only worried about Missy. She's not at
• 38:12
  Speaker 6: all concerned about where Haley is, which to me is
• 38:15
  Speaker 6: an indication that she knows where Haley is and that
• 38:18
  Speaker 6: she can't be found. And she's also not concerned about Ronald,
• 38:22
  Speaker 6: this person that she's supposed to love whose daughter got
• 38:26
  Speaker 6: lost on her watch.
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: Terry Sheumaker speaking of Ronald Cummings. Another thing is that
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: she marries and then he quickly divorces her Ronald Cummings,
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: but never once do we hear her talk about, Oh,
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: this is tearing Ronald up.
• 38:45
  Speaker 5: He can't find his daughter. I'm sick about it. I
• 38:48
  Speaker 5: want to help him.
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: I mean, when I see the few times I've ever
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: seen my husband in any kind of distress, I think
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: the only time I really have seen him or he
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: would show his emotions is where when his mom and
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: dad died really quickly, you know, one after the other,
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: and I would do anything I could think of, you know,
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: just to try to make him feel better.
• 39:14
  Speaker 5: I failed, but I tried.
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: I never hear her talking about finding Haley. What really
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: happened to Haley? Again, like top mom, whenever that asked her,
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: well what did happen to Kelly? She get mad at
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: her parents here. You never hear her talk about what
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: happened that night? Can we find Haley? Is Haley still alive?
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: How can I help Ron? Nothing like that, Terry, she maker, Yeah.
• 39:40
  Speaker 4: I mean part of that is the only way she
• 39:41
  Speaker 4: could help Ron is to implicate herself in the disappearance
• 39:46
  Speaker 4: of Haley. So obviously she knows how to help him,
• 39:49
  Speaker 4: she knows she has the information to help him, but
• 39:52
  Speaker 4: in order to do that, it's going to put herself
• 39:55
  Speaker 4: in trouble. And she's never going to do that. Like
• 39:57
  Speaker 4: doctor Schwartz said, you know, a very narcissist stick, and
• 40:01
  Speaker 4: she's never going to break She's never going to give
• 40:04
  Speaker 4: any information because she knows that if she does, obviously
• 40:09
  Speaker 4: that's the end of her.
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: If you know, or you think you know anything about
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: the disappearance of a beautiful five year old little girl,
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: Haley Cummings, please doll three eight six three two nine
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: zero eight zero eight repeat three eight six three two nine.
• 40:31
  Speaker 5: Zero eight zero eight.
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: There is still a reward for information in the disappearance
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: of Haley Cummings. Nancy Gray signing off goodbye friend.