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Cycling Through Life: Adventures and Balance with Syd McGee · Zone2Speak Podcast

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And now for the episode.
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I'm descending on a gravel road and then another bear is running up a tree in front of me.
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So now I stop and I'm stuck and I'm like, I don't know what to do because if
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I go forward, there's a bear. And if I go back, there's a bear family.
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Yeah. What do I do? So I was like, gosh, so took a moment. I'm like praying,
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like, hey, I'll be a better person. Like, just don't let the bear be. Make all the promises.
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Hi, everyone. Welcome to the Zone to Speak podcast. We're your hosts, Debbie and Juliana.
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Welcome to another episode of Zone to Speak. We are pumped to have a special
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guest with us, Sid McGee, avid cyclist, funny guy,
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CEO of McGee & Co., co-founder of Studio McGee Design, and the other half of
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the hugely popular former Netflix series Dream Home Makeover.
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Riding bikes is a refuge for Sid.
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Whether it's a morning home workout or a ride on the road or trails,
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it's all about finding a balance that helps to create some harmony between being
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a husband, a father, and the other half of a successfully global lifestyle brand.
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We are thrilled to hear more about the role cycling plays in your life and pick
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your brain on your loves, hates, hits, and misses along the way.
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We know you're all in on cycling for the pure joy of the sport itself.
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So without further ado, welcome, Sid.
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Hey, guys. Thank you so much for having me. So we want to dive right in.
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Tell us about your background, how you got into cycling. I am the youngest of six kids.
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I have three older sifters and two older brothers.
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The two older brothers were obviously always pushing me to do something.
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So whether that was keep up with them on BMX bikes or, you know,
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we moved to Southern California when I was a year old. My brothers got into
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surfing. That became something that pushed me to do as well.
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And then we were like, you know, surfer kids, skater kids.
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So this was, let's see, this was in the 90s. And this was when skateboarding
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was much more of like a counterculture sport.
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And that was us. We built ramps in our own front yard, big quarter pipes that
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we were either jumping bikes or riding skateboard.
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And I've kind of just grew up with that.
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In my blood not traditional sports but always i
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mean when i was in middle school i would just get dropped off at the
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beach in the summertime and my mom would come back like six or
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seven hours later and pick me up because i think about doing that now with
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my kids i have three girls um that are 11
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8 and 3 and i'm like that's pretty wild
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like i didn't look at it well it's very
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different now too from back then of what you could
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do and the culture out there today of letting yeah
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letting our kids kind of gain their own independence a different
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i know i we're always trying to to figure out ways
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to do that with some some safety around it but also pushing
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them to to find themselves and i used to just get like a quarter
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and a call from a payphone and 10 bucks for lunch and
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i would see you at like three or four in the afternoon so that was pretty fun
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and that's how i grew up and and as i've gotten older
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i've always kind of just found that i'm happiest when
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i'm moving more throughout the day so whether that's squats
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or hikes or bike riding or skating or
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whatever i just i want to do that and even when we go
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on vacation this last vacation we went on well about
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let's say a little bit earlier in the year we went on vacation to mexico for
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like a friend's birthday with all of our neighbors and everyone just wanted
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to lay around and i'm like that's always the best kind of vacation do nothing
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yeah and i'm like even on vacation i'm like let's go like let's rent scooters
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let's go like you know let's go climbing let's go around swimming you know.
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Let's go chase like, I don't know, I don't spearfish, but let's learn how to spearfish.
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I mean, my wife and I have kind of come to this point where if it's just us
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traveling with other kids, like we will wake up.
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I will usually bring my bike. I'll go for a ride.
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She'll kind of work out and then we'll like meet up and have lunch and kind of start our day.
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And then at that point, I'm like, I'm good to like relax. I'm good to chill.
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I did our ride this morning. Like I'm good. Yeah. You did your self care.
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You can meet in the middle.
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Plus, there's a compromise there because we already know we're focusing so much on the kids.
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I have two boys and I know how that goes they'll both be
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like did you ride everyone's like did you ride dad like just
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to kind of seem grumpy and they'll be like go
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for you need to work out like everyone's like go work out and then come back
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you know I love it these days are so self-aware like the awareness that they
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have to the environment around them as well so to pick up on that and and give
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you that tip you know it's time for you to get on the bike ride dad it's amazing
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I know and I think it's really important we always are pushing our kids as much
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as possible to go out and play.
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And my oldest daughter, she's a lot like me. She's a redhead and she's like
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about to get like, she has to get run.
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She has to have her workout and then she's in a much better place. Yeah, it works.
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Whatever kind of outlet it is, it could be physical for some people. It could be mental.
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We all have to have that. I mean, as we move into the school year and things
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are a lot more structured, you know.
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With time and even in the summer, I only have a
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certain dedicated portion of the day to ride so
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usually my my time is like i kind of started when
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the kids were younger to be like okay anything before people
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wake up like that could be dad's time so we will
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wake up at like 7 7 30 sometimes eight
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o'clock so then it's like okay if i want three hours to go ride
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like then that means i'm riding at 5 a.m right you
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know or 4 30 sometimes we'll start in the summertime and like
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do a bigger ride but i'm starting really early so maybe
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i'm only missing like 30 minutes and then being awake an hour
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or so yeah and that feels during the year i know
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as parents we can struggle with that feeling of are
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we there enough if we're doing something like that for
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ourselves i know i go through that sometimes so yeah
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totally and then in the school year i mean that that shifts to
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like it becomes a lot earlier they have to get up at like 7 15 so
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my time window is short and that's like gotta do
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that once we go to school then i'm like meeting start
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and my brother and i like we do a lot of training at
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the same time we'll talk about it he lives in southern california and
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it'll do we just joke like the days we don't do in the morning you
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never get to do it in the afternoon because you're like oh god
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later and if you're a busy person
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like your day fills up and you have no time late you know yeah yeah it's so
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important i think after becoming a mom i became so much more structured and
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people ask me oh how do you do it and i'm like actually it's much easier now
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because before i'll be like i'll do it later and then that later never happened
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and being a parent actually structure my day so much that.
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I became so much more disciplined. Yeah. Like our kids have their schedule for
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bedtime, for everything that we do.
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And sometimes that makes us like less fun parents.
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Like some other parents are like, we can stay up, whatever.
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And I'm like, okay. There's a hack to that. And you have to have this structure.
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It's good for them. But that's the importance of having these outlets and having
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cycling and having these conversations with adults because we get so focused on the family aspect.
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I think it definitely is always a balance, right? Right. Because anything completely
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is extreme is like that. Right. Everything's always scheduled.
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Like kids are going to lose their mind. But and if I'm riding,
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I can't ride all day recovery and I don't have time to do any other things.
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But finding that balance is is is always important.
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And so that's something that we're always trying to chase because I never think that we achieve it.
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It's just like I kind of think it's like a sliding scale, passing life and family
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and work and cycling and or other sports. It's just like, you're never going
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to find a perfect balance. And there never is.
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So don't have that be another stress point in your life to freak out about.
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Just know that it's just styles.
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Sometimes stuff gets turned up and turned down. I love that.
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Beautifully said. You said you were cycling since how old were you?
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I remember I just had a 40th birthday this last week.
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And they had some pictures out. And I had this teal, aqua blue bike with white tires.
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And I was like, that thing's sick. Like just looking back at it,
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I'm like, I would ride that now.
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But I was thinking I was four when I had that bike, you know?
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Oh, well, you started early.
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Oh, yeah, I remember that bike because I remember going to some dirt jumps with
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my brothers and then being like, yeah, you should hit that. I'm like,
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okay. What's the difference?
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My brother, so my oldest brother is 15 years older than I am.
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Their brother is 10 years older than I am.
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That's the oldest. And then I'm the youngest of six. And then I got my three
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sisters and it's right out in there.
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But it's good. I mean, I think there I went off and on from biking.
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Sometimes skating more, surfing more, but I always felt very comfortable on bikes.
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And then then in my early 20s, like fixed gear bikes were really cool.
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And I'm like looking back now, I'm like, oh, my gosh, I don't think my old man
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knees could like like the shape.
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You're like sliding and like using your knees like the other way to like slow down.
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And but it was fun. We are always we are getting tons of friends together to big bike rides.
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And there was this thing called critical mass. Yes, they still do that here.
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Yeah. They do it for the domestic once every, I think it's the last Friday or Friday of the month.
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Friday of the month. I remember doing a really fun extreme one called like Wolfpack
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in LA and it was all six gear bikes.
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Basically, you met at one point and they just rode as fast as they could through
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the different parts of like LA.
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And I was like, this is crazy.
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And at the same time, like there's another kid like smoking like while driving.
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Riding faster than me because like my brain couldn't
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process like what was happening you know i was like i
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don't understand had no idea about like
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zones or training or any of that that exposure
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to me it was just you know riding as fast as you can and
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not sometimes it still blows my mind all
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this different type of training that's out there and
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once you wrap your head around something then there's something new yeah
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so you train baby structure now so i did
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a bunch of it we moved from california to
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utah 10 years ago to the like to
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the week and when we were starting
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to build our company we had sold our home and we went
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all in on building this company and led to
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a lot of just only working 17 18
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hours a day like just wow at that
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time both my wife and i were not really like hey
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we have time to work out we're not we didn't make that a priority so
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we went through probably like a period of like five years where that was the case
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of like building the company doing nothing but focusing
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on that and then time with family when
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we can and then that was really it and i think that we got to a place we started
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realizing like that was pretty detrimental and we needed to start being able
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to work out and then we started to really see that that was a positive thing
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and support each other be like okay like i'll i'll watch the kids you go work
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out and she would do the same and really realizing like.
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Okay, that's quite beneficial to give each other time to work out,
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but to just have like a moment alone, right?
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And then she started really appreciating that and then doing that for me.
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And then I grew to be like, okay, cool.
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And so we moved to a new location as we were going to build our home.
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So we were up in Salt Lake area, we moved a little bit further south.
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And I moved next to someone that was like, hey, like us and a bunch of friends,
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we're going to do this Malibu triathlon sprint.
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So you should get your bike. I could do a bike again so i
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got a bike ran like five times i like hate running
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i still think it's cool because if you go on a trip all
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you have to do is bring shoes then i went to malibu ram in
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the ocean really cool did the ride was doing
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great crashed got back up all bloody
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it was really cool finished strong ran very slowly but still finished and then
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i was like i love it like this is fun the competitive side i want to get into
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it about the bug a couple weeks to start working out again my feet felt like
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they were broken from running like six miles. I've never run six miles in my life. I decided.
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So that was fun. I kind of like reignited that and I knew that I would probably
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trend towards more of the endurance like the marathon. They call it like.
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Let's see like more like Olympic marathon or endurance like
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racing just because my brothers have done
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that for a while so my brother's done Leadville which
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is a mountain bike racing Colorado that's that's an epic one and he's done it
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like 12 times my other brother's done it like seven times so I knew like okay
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they tend to like maybe this is something that's like kind of in our blood like
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in our genes or our genetics doing these longer endurance races and doing pretty well at them.
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And so that's where I started like, okay, I'm going to train.
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I'm going to look at doing a race. There's the Belgian waffle races.
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Yeah, they're great. Yeah. So there's, it started really big in California.
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And then about four years ago, they're like, we're going to do one in Utah,
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like Cesar city. So Southern Utah.
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And I'm like, okay, I'm going to, I'm going to do that one. I'm going to train
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for this race and go do it.
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And it's funny because I say train for that race. But my brother's feedback
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was like, we'll do just, you just, you're newer.
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So just spend time on your bike you know like do a lot of time i'm like okay
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but like do you have more for me there and he's like yeah just ride a lot you
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know and i'm like ride a lot okay like so.
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Intervals now yeah like what do i no no no you didn't give me any guidance at
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all on that man yeah they're just like ride more i was like felt very lazy on
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their part of like not wanting to get further direction right so i went and
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i rode it the biggest i'd ever rode before this race was like 75 miles.
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This was 125 miles. I wasn't even fueling with carbs.
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I had like BCAAs in my bottle. I'm like, what?
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Like, okay, great. You're not going to lose any muscle during the race.
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Like, okay, you're good. Like, and so I did it.
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I finished it. I was like, okay, great. But it was like, I was breaking towards
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the end. We're like, here's pickle juice and cola.
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Well, I've never had pickle juice. I like took it and I was going to,
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I don't know, I felt like I was going throw up but it was such a shock to the
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nervous system i think it served its purpose i was able to like then
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have some copacola and then just ride to the to
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the finish and so that was like first travel bike race that was fun this was
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before like gravel was like really cool i was like i didn't even know what it
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was you know it's huge now and so it's so huge now so that was my first one
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and then i kind of just led to doing more and more races and kind of leading to more structure.
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So to answer your question, I like then wanted to target doing Leadville with
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my brothers. Like I thought that'd be very cool. So that was a far off goal.
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I put that on the calendar and I started like just learning more about structured
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training, what that world looks like.
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I got introduced and I used like training trainer road and just got on a very
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structured training program, which I appreciated because in life,
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like it was nice to just say like, okay, show up and this is the training plan.
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This is what I have to do today. And it's this time period.
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I'll just plan for that and to go execute my training and not to like be really
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like thoughtful, like, how am I doing this?
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How am I building out my training program? Like what am I going to do?
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And then I listened to the trainer road podcast. like here's
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the thing my wife will tease like she's like you
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get obsessed and so when i was like larger let's
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say carrying more weight that's a good way
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to say i'm not working out for five years and just building a business i got
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really obsessed with like okay i want a couple different things and then i went
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like keto and so she was like oh my gosh so then i lost like 80 pounds with
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keto like and then was trying to just unride my bike all the time and then i
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stopped doing that as I was like,
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okay, I'm learning about carbohydrates and how you can feel with carbohydrates, right? Yeah.
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And just, okay, I'm on a, I do training. I don't really need as many on higher
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intensity days, threshold efforts, or more just a higher intensity of training,
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like, yes, you should feel right. And how that plays into recovery.
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So I started learning about the balance of training at a stressful level and recovery.
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And the other aspect of that is like, work is so stressful.
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Like, hey, we have this huge problem. And what are we going to do about it?
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And I had just had to take a couple of years to learn how to like,
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okay, that's an additional factor that I maybe just need to like back off on
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the amount of intensity days if work is super stressful, because I'm not going to recover as well.
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And then I'm going to not feel good. And I'm going to have a hard time performing
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at work. Because for me, I always have to balance everything.
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Performance at a race with like performing every
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day for like my family and work and did you
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have all these insights all by yourself yourself teaching or
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did you have at this point did you get a code that was guiding
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you yeah so i i love the trainer row
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podcast a lot because they give a lot of insight on
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that balance so i think they're trying to take a much more balanced approach
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of like we are going to give you more functional training
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for people that actually live real lives and
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I don't just get right I cannot just train like pro
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athletes non-stop but I then I did get
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a coach one time one year and they
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were great but they also worked with
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a lot of pro athletes so they would give me something that was a
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lot more intense with like less period
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of rest and that was a really hard year
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I felt like very fatigued I felt like run
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down and that part of that obsession too was
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i was just constantly thinking about it throughout the day
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of like how am i resting am i doing too much am i stressing
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too much am i eating enough because if you do a good
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amount of rides and you burn 1500 calories like and if you don't take in enough
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like you're constantly chasing that through the day and it's actually eating
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quite a bit to make up that deficit to just be at even oh again so i went i
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had to learn probably over the period of three years, what kind of training works,
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when to kind of like be honest with myself and back it off.
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And whether a coach was best for me or not. And I know that there's different
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coaches with different philosophies.
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And I've spoken to some that are like, hey, we're used to working with professionals.
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Like we're gonna balance this a little bit more and taking the factor of like
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your life and your lifestyle as like a part of your training component, right?
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Right, the importance of your family as well and making time and having the
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energy, some energy stores for that too and not being so fatigued for everything.
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Or, you know, even with a coach, you know sometimes we pick a coach and
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it's just not a good fit doesn't mean that they're good or bad it's just
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not a good fit like you said this one had a lot of pros i also i'd
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be fired by a coach for because he was like oh you're missing too
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many workouts i'm like i have a child and i work like yeah you're like i know
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it's like i can't work with you i'm sorry no and then i was like getting like
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bothered like oh the kids are sick like don't get near me like you know you're
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like yes when it gets to that point where you're like i can't get sick right
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now like how dare you Exactly.
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You're going to ruin my training. That's it. You're going to send me back two
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weeks. Oh, 100%. I did Leadville twice.
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Full's very interesting. Amazing.
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Interesting, different experiences each time. Yeah. Very interesting.
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The first time I did it, super fun day, but about five miles towards the end,
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me and my two brothers were pretty close.
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My oldest brother, Rob, was in front of me.
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I was right behind him. And then my other brother, John, was about eight minutes
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behind us. one of the final descents down St. Keevans.
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He crashed and ended up hitting a tree, got knocked out. I was just like, right there.
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Hey, Rob, are you okay? Completely unresponsive, kind of just moaning.
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That knocked out. Oh, it was scary.
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Then my brother showed up. We notified a couple of other racers going by.
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We're like, please send somebody.
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We stayed with him for a bit, but he was, I mean, he was pretty broken.
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So my other brother, John, said, why don't you finish?
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Like, everyone's at the finish line. Like, let them know what's going on.
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Make sure someone's coming back to help us and that the rest of our family that
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was there to support us would know what's going on as well.
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So I finished after staying with Rob and John for about 15 or 20 minutes,
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went and finished to make sure someone was coming back to him.
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He was taken to the hospital. He had a concussion, collapsed lung, broken collarbone.
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So he ended up in the hospital for quite a bit. So there was a lot of emotion.
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I mean, you know, like as you're through these long, physically exhausting days,
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you're already kind of emotionally like on edge.
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And then that on top of it. So I was just like, oh, I was like losing it.
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I was like, oh, Sid's crying. I'm like, well, I don't know what happened.
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I don't know if my brother's like paralyzed or a piece.
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Has he had that full recovery now? Yeah.
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So Rob has been riding for a long time. He's broken one collarbone four or five
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times, the other collarbone four or five times.
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So for him to break a collarbone, that wasn't that big of a deal.
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The concussion and the concussion. Tell him to slow down those descents.
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I will. But I think with the McGee boys, you get what you get.
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Because we just do it and enjoy it. We love it.
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But I have secretly seen him start to be a little bit more cautious now that
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he's 55 years old. You know?
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Yeah. It's funny how it takes that much, right? Just a little bit, you know. Right.
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I think he's just tired of thrashing and recovering from that,
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you know. And so then we did it again the next year.
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So not this year, but the previous year, my brother Rob, John,
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and I did it all together.
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It went well. Super great day. We waited for each other and we all finished
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together. I want to go back and I want to beat like my brother's times.
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The thing is that they're so fast. They did the race so fast.
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Like it's hard. Like I think my brother John's time is like 747 and Rob's maybe the 730s or something.
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But so they give out big old belt buckles if you complete it.
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And so if you do it in less than 12 hours, you get a little belt buckle.
21:53
You do it less than nine hours, you get a big old belt buckle.
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And I have them. I have them because I wore it home and Shay's like,
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oh my gosh, like I'll let you wear that for a couple of days. But awesome.
22:05
That's a huge cowboy belt buckle. And so that's pretty fun. And then we just,
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I don't know, it's a fun experience to race together.
22:12
And then this following Leadville, the next month, coming up on one-year anniversary,
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because September 13th is my birthday, I was like, oh, I'm going to go for a ride.
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We had someone here with our youngest.
22:23
And I was like, I will, I'll be right back. I was going to go to lunch with
22:26
my wife, but she was leaving town.
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She was headed to the airport. Couldn't happen. So I'm like,
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I'm going to go ride real quick.
22:32
Met up with a friend, rode in our foothills over here. We have over a hundred
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miles of single track, like right out our back door and was just having a great time.
22:40
Actually too good of a time was going really fast on our like jump routes and I,
22:45
crashed no pretty bad probably from like 10
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or 12 feet in the air and they broke
22:51
my wrist there's still like a scar on it i broke my
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collarbone into five pieces and i.
22:57
Broke my left thumb so right wrist right
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collarbone left i'm like okay so i'm trying to ride my
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bike down i'm like that's not working so he took me to the hospital and
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i had to tell the nanny like hey like i'm
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at an accident you know broken and hearing
23:12
from them that like shay's mom is coming down because
23:15
she knows it got help but my wife shay is on a plane i'm
23:18
like i was trying to find out what is the damage before
23:22
i talked to her but then i feel like hey babe no big
23:24
deal had a little crash like give me a call
23:27
when you land you know and he's like my gosh
23:30
so she's away for a photo shoot for multiple days
23:33
trying to photograph a large project we just
23:36
finished in houston beautiful project super important.
23:40
To to us and what we do and and i i think
23:42
of that because i think just as we talked about kind of extreme if
23:46
you're not careful and things go too far it can affect
23:49
the other parts of your life right so i wasn't cautious enough
23:52
i got really broken and that really impacted
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the next like six weeks till you know three months
23:58
so it was just like recovering from this just even for
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that first four or five weeks i was really out of
24:03
it they had to do surgery on everything I was just laid
24:06
up in bed and wasn't riding but could barely work
24:09
that was really difficult so that was really challenging and
24:13
it came into this year and I didn't know what this year was going
24:16
to look like so I didn't really do any races like I
24:18
didn't schedule any races for this year as well so as soon as I could I just
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got back on a trainer so that was probably about it took about probably three
24:27
months you know they call it on scale pretty fast they had to put a plate in
24:31
with a bunch of screws and a bunch of gong graph to like hold it all together
24:35
or yeah like there's like a.
24:36
Do they remove anything after a certain amount of
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time or no well this summer as we were swimming in
24:42
the backyard with my kids they're like my gosh your collarbone because
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it's so big enough like now they're like something's wrong
24:49
dad kids will be ready and i'm like
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okay but i think that's what they want it's back together
24:54
i can use it you know yeah but they were like you need
24:57
to go talk to them dad so i am gonna go
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talk to them and just see what they recommend my brother who has
25:03
broken his collarbones a lot like i was telling you about was
25:06
like well i would have them take the metal plate out but then
25:09
i kept breaking it so i just might as well
25:11
keep it so but it's good you're taking your time to heal and get back on the
25:15
bike i think there is a big culture lately of people being glorified for going
25:20
back on the saddle after injury and i think it's something that needs to stop
25:25
because it's not healthy yeah you're no hero i wanted to try to get back on to some extent.
25:30
If not, I was like, even though I was broken during that first little bit,
25:33
as soon as I could, I want to walk again.
25:35
And then as soon as I was able to, I was carrying a heavier backpack, rocking or something.
25:40
Just I needed the physical activity, even if it wasn't cycling.
25:44
And then as soon as I could, I just on a stationary bike, safer environment,
25:48
something pretty controlled and rode that.
25:51
And January through early April, we
25:54
can't really ride outside here because it's so snowy so
25:58
you usually just set up your kit like
26:00
you're like training cave in the basement and you
26:04
watch your show and that's where you just like get that nice
26:07
solid zone to i was just gonna set build that base right there yeah yeah and
26:12
so that's that's what we kind of do every year anyways and and then you know
26:15
you were asking about strength training earlier as well and that's something
26:19
that like after getting so broken i was like i i don't know i'm predisposed
26:23
to want to be like harder to kill.
26:25
Like I want to be, I need to be stronger. I need to have like more of those aspects.
26:29
And so I started incorporating strength training like two to three days a week. So
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I'll try to ride four to five days a week, doing strength training two to three
26:38
days a week, and really just focus on that as being part of it.
26:43
And then I got an ice bath and have a sauna, and I hate that ice bath so much, you guys.
26:50
The sauna, I can do it at like 250 for you guys, but are you a cold or a hot person?
26:56
Obviously, I'm used to hot, so I can probably tolerate that.
26:59
I'm assuming the ice bath would just freaking kill me, but I'll try it.
27:03
But I doubt I would love doing that ever. I'm a hot person.
27:07
I thrive in the heat. I think that's my only strength when I'm training.
27:10
When everybody's dying, I'm like, it's not.
27:12
But I did have a nice bath when we lived in another house. I had the space, not now, but I loved it.
27:17
Even I heard there's research that even before going to bed,
27:21
it releases melatonin and it's good to fall asleep.
27:24
Yeah, I enjoy. I enjoy. I enjoy the challenge of getting in and trying to be zen.
27:29
It's a challenge for me. I have to get in quickly because the other day,
27:33
I literally did my toe in and then I'll look at it for like 10 minutes and be
27:37
like, come on, let's go. Come on, get in there.
27:39
You're hyping yourself up. And then I will. I have to. So I go down there and
27:43
I'm like, I'm like, you just got to do hard stuff.
27:45
Like your family needs you. Don't do hard stuff. And you're going to what?
27:48
No, like get in. And I'm like, gosh, every time it takes my breath away.
27:52
Yeah. It's not one of those people that was like, oh, I'm so it's so easy.
27:55
I just do it every day. I'm Zen about, you know.
27:58
To say sometimes i cheat and just put like half a body
28:01
just the legs you know i don't know just oh that's me
28:04
with the pool in general my kids are always laughing at
28:07
me because i'll go in and they're like come on mom and i'm like it cannot do
28:10
a nice bath yeah exactly see yeah oh my gosh yeah point taken so when you're
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fully healed do you think you would do like unbound or some international race
28:19
like i'm here in geron i just moved to europe there is so many races here gravel Yeah, so definitely.
28:27
I mean, I've made some friends through both of our show and like kind of our
28:31
social media presence that are pro racers. One of them is Alex Wild.
28:35
And he just did really, really good at this last race. I think it's Schwampgen
28:38
or the Lifetime Grand Prix series.
28:40
And he just did Swiss Epic in the Swiss Alps. And it's like a four or five day stage race.
28:47
Mountain bike stage race through the alps looked amazing
28:50
so that looks really cool i'm i keep
28:53
seeing images of like the dolomites i would
28:56
love to do that i'm have trying to target
28:59
like three to four races every year that i like
29:02
to do something like close by there's a couple in utah
29:05
that are really good race series i still haven't done but it's
29:07
nice to do some that are kind of local and then one or
29:11
two that are a fun place to travel to there's the urgent waffle
29:14
race which is in British Columbia which looks really cool
29:17
it looks so pretty obviously I mean
29:20
the Leadville is fun because it's kind of more
29:23
of like a getting together of people that know that
29:26
it's a big race and especially around where I live in Utah a lot
29:29
of my friends like try to do it every year and so.
29:32
That's like a fun event to just like be in town with
29:35
everybody it's like this community event everybody just kind
29:38
of connects with each other and that's not actually doing
29:41
it is fun but like the like before and after
29:44
is fun you know yeah i haven't on much as like
29:47
the road racing side they do watch
29:50
a lot of it like in the summer it kind of gets busy but our deal
29:52
schedule is like summertime waking up and riding like
29:56
working throughout the day kind of hang with the kids do dinner
29:58
and then get try to get people down before
30:02
like 9 30 ish and then go to the basement stretch right
30:05
just do like a 15 stretching i'm watching like highlights the
30:08
races obviously when tour de france is
30:11
on i try to watch as much as possible sometimes life
30:14
gets so busy and you know but yeah it is fun
30:17
i like the lifetime race series too because they're doing mountain
30:20
bike and gravel and then they do a really nice like recap
30:23
on youtube of it that's a fun one but it's a
30:25
dad thing it's like my dad was a cyclist he passed that
30:28
love on to like like the brothers and myself
30:31
and i would love to go do it but i also know like
30:34
i'm a family of three girls and shay so
30:38
they're like let's go to the beach so we went to
30:40
california a couple months ago and we took our
30:43
bikes and we rode by a newport beach it's really gorgeous island
30:46
and they were like this is so cool so they love it but i don't
30:49
think i can sell them on purely like hey we're just gonna go watch tour france
30:53
right you know not yet we'll go you know exactly you gotta do a little bit of
30:57
you a little bit of them always yeah so it's a good balance but i think the.
31:01
Best cycling trip that i was able to pull off was for our anniversary two years.
31:05
Ago we went to mallorca and
31:07
that was like heaven. Riding is beautiful.
31:11
Favorite place I've ever been or been able to ride. Does Shay also ride? No. Together?
31:15
She's like, I've tried. And she's like, it's not my jam. She loves to play tennis
31:18
and she loves to do strength training, like Pilates stuff and other things.
31:24
So she's very active, but she's like, I don't do this.
31:27
That's yours. You can have that. I'll keep trying. That's what has to happen
31:31
is just to have that support and what brings each of you joy.
31:34
And maybe it's good because we already work together like all day. It's so true.
31:39
You gotta have that alone time. Important. What races are you guys looking to do?
31:43
Do you guys like to do races or what type of riding do you like to do?
31:47
I'm a roadie for the most part.
31:49
I did get a new gravel bike. I got a Juliana Quincy, which is just like a Santa Cruz Stigmata.
31:55
And I have never raced. I decided to have both of my children in my 40s and
32:00
boom, they both came like that. Hey, get on.
32:02
You don't race, man. I bet you would kill it. I don't know. I feel like that
32:07
would take a certain aspect, like you said, that you know what your limit is
32:11
as far as balancing everything on that level.
32:14
And I kind of know my personality well enough that other things have to be in
32:18
play first before I would be able to do that. And I don't know if I would enjoy it.
32:22
I grew up being a dancer. I danced nonstop.
32:25
And it's a lot. I lived and breathed that. And then it takes the fun out of some of the stuff.
32:30
So I really enjoy just the riding aspect of it. And everybody has what works
32:34
for them. So I don't have the race.
32:36
I competed so much dancing as I did that. I didn't get alcohol.
32:41
So it's kind of like maybe I saved it. Yeah, exactly. What about you, Julia?
32:46
I have an Ironman background. I started always on a bike, but I always use more
32:50
for transportation or just leisure, you know, and then then I started doing
32:54
triathlons and I was really into that, loved it.
32:58
And then I don't know how ultracycline came across. And I really wanted to do
33:03
that, but I wasn't sure I could do it.
33:06
You know, can I do this? Because every ultracycline race has so much climbing.
33:10
But anyways, my knees were giving up on me. And I decided to take a big break
33:14
from triathlons and try my first ultra.
33:17
And I really, really enjoyed it because I don't have explosive strength in me.
33:22
And the ultra is good because I can just keep going, you know,
33:25
keep going, keep going, keep going. You know, ride 18, 20 hours a day, sleep two, three hours.
33:31
Keep going, keep going, keep going. And I just love it because just go to different
33:35
places and you really get to see the culture, the people, the country.
33:39
It's a great way to see different places and meet like-minded people.
33:44
You know, everybody on the ultra is usually amazing and there's a huge camaraderie,
33:49
even though there's a fish.
33:50
In the event that you do, like how long will it last? Like typically,
33:53
we'll be over a couple of days? More.
33:56
The winners do in a couple of days. So my husband also does ultras.
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And he's very competitive.
34:03
He won't sleep. So we did, for example, Bikeman Portugal and he finished,
34:06
I think, in 51 hours, a thousand kilometers. That's not healthy.
34:11
Oh, my God. You have 120 hours to finish, which is five days and most people take four or five days.
34:19
Yeah, that's cool. Isn't there a race like through Morocco that's kind of like that?
34:24
Yeah. Didn't you do that? There are a few. There is no, I haven't done Morocco.
34:28
No, there's one that is called the Atlas Mountain and there's
34:32
now the biking biking man is a French brand but
34:35
they are all over Europe and they have one in Brazil that we just
34:38
did last week and the Morocco edition as
34:41
well coming up I think okay cool no chance
34:44
you're gonna dip your toe in that Sid you know like looking at
34:47
I want to do Unbound they have like
34:51
an Unbound XL which sounds so hard
34:54
but cool like you ride through night you know and do you I
34:57
don't know if you guys seen have you seen any of like the vegan cyclist or
34:59
his big bc adventure yeah but just like seeing him
35:02
do that it's like that's that's wild i
35:05
mean he just rode canada to mexico that looks really cool
35:08
it's hard not like oh fun to just go on like somewhat of
35:11
a bike packing doing a race yeah i'm really enjoying that
35:14
more bike packing i'll be doing more and more and i think next year
35:17
i'm gonna focus more on bike packing than racing it's just
35:19
so much fun if you don't have a schedule to be somewhere stop
35:22
so do you like stuff with you on the bike that you're gonna camp
35:25
with or are you like stopping at like a place to sleep for
35:28
the night you can do both depending where it is some people take
35:31
their tent and sleeping bag usually if possible
35:34
on the destination i just rather you know whenever i
35:37
need to sleep book booking.com or something like
35:40
that it's nicer to take a shower yeah refresh and it's lighter too it carry
35:45
more weight sleep in the hotel wake up and then ride to an station and yeah
35:49
we i just did with a friend of mine in norway and it was so much fun and we.
35:54
I did camp because you can wild camp there and it's so amazing.
35:59
But every other day we did stay at the camping site where they have facilities
36:03
or at the hotel because just to charge everything and take a shower. Yeah. Key necessities.
36:09
I know. That sounds awesome. That is like definitely my, I like that. I like just riding.
36:15
I mean, we just did a little Tennessee two weeks ago, kind of just like a birthday
36:19
trip with a Shea, and we stayed near the Smoky Mountains National Park out there. Really cool.
36:26
And I was like, okay, it's looking like gravel riding. Honestly,
36:29
my gravel bike needs to get tuned up, and I have this specialized gravel bike.
36:34
That's what I want. I just told Debbie.
36:36
And then I have Levo SL, and it's fun.
36:39
I'm riding a titanium bike now, a French brand called Cheeto,
36:43
and I'm loving it. It's a little bit heavier, but they say there's a bright
36:48
feel with titanium that is just so smooth that you don't do anything.
36:52
Super cool. I have fun bikes and a row bike. So I have a specialized World Cup.
36:57
And then I have a specialized Epic 8. And then I have a Cervelo row bike.
37:03
That's what I like. I know, but my buddy, Alex, he's like, we've got to be trans.
37:06
I just got this thing, you know, like he's like, you got to replace it.
37:12
He's like, you have to have all specialized stuff. No, that's not true.
37:15
You can get one too. So I took my World Cup because I didn't want to ride the
37:18
gravel bike. And I was like, I'm just going to see these gravel roads.
37:21
Like sometimes when you're looking online, trying to figure out the route,
37:24
like it's kind of tricky. And you're trying to look at Strava.
37:27
You're trying to see what people are doing.
37:28
Figured out this one 70 mile gravel bike loop goes through the national park.
37:33
I was like, cool, I'm going to go do that. Brought kind of my heart.
37:35
The World Cup is kind of like a hard tail with a little bit of travel on it. Yeah.
37:38
And took off, rode the roads, and then hopped on the dirt path and was riding.
37:44
And I don't run into a ton of wildlife before we are.
37:47
We have moose, we have mountain lions, but no bears.
37:50
And so, of course, I'm riding on the Scrabble Road and I'm two and a half hours
37:55
away from where I started now.
37:56
And I see maybe 10 feet away, like a bear cub, like run up the tree and then
38:01
another one run up a little tree. And I've already rode. Where is Mama Bear?
38:05
Another like 10 feet behind her is the Mama Bear. And it's like looking up from
38:10
the riverbed, like, you know, what is, what's on?
38:12
And I was like, So of course, like riding up this hill as fast as I can.
38:17
About to die because i'm my heart's gonna explode i'm riding
38:20
so fast and i'm like keep looking is there a bear is there a
38:22
bear coming out i don't see it i'm like okay but like now i can't
38:25
go back it's just a gravel road you gotta keep going oh and
38:28
it's dense they get more rain than seattle does and
38:31
so this forest it's a forest and so
38:34
now i'm like okay i gotta just ride and kind of get out of here
38:37
i'm descending on the gravel road and then
38:40
another bear is running up a tree in front of me so
38:42
now i stop and i'm stuck i'm like i don't know
38:45
what to do because if i go forward there's a bear and if i go back
38:48
there's a bear family yeah what do i do so
38:51
i was like gosh so took a moment i'm like praying like hey
38:54
i'll be a better person like just don't let the bear make all
38:57
the promises all the promises and so then i was like i start yelling hey baby
39:02
let's get out of here like yelling so i start yelling i start walking with my
39:07
bike like a head over like trying to look big trying to look as big as possible
39:11
and i get to where they were and they're not there anymore so I hop on my bike.
39:16
I jam out of there. I'm going really fast. And then I'm like,
39:19
OK, well, maybe slow down a
39:20
little bit like going downhill because you did crash pretty bad last year.
39:24
You don't want to crash and then get eaten by a bear, you know?
39:26
Right. You're just sitting there laying there like prey. Yeah.
39:29
That'd be bad. So slow down just a little bit. And then I got to more of a main
39:33
Jeep road, started seeing a lot more people in cars.
39:37
And I went through this whole national park and then another awesome gravel road and road home.
39:42
And I was like, I tell everybody like at the hotel like the resort
39:45
they were staying like you guys there's bears like baby careful don't
39:48
let people go over there because that is how it is around where
39:51
i live you gotta tell everyone dude there's bears up there like
39:54
this is crazy and they're like yeah dude we have bears
39:57
all over the place you know it's like no big
40:00
deal bears everywhere like on this resort and i
40:03
look up where i was riding they're like i love this place at
40:06
the national park i see bears like tons of bears every time
40:09
i go there and i'm like oh my gosh like no one told me no
40:12
one even said on like the routes or the gravel ride planning
40:15
or anything like hey you're gonna see a lot of bears so that
40:18
was that was the most interesting grapple ride like
40:21
i've ever had wow when was that so it was in so this was in tennessee eastern
40:25
tennessee right right right by the smoky mountains it is bear country though
40:31
and so many bugs like i got stung by like some hornet thing and they're just
40:35
like oh yeah that you know i was like oh my gosh like i'm gonna die like this felt like so many.
40:39
That they injure you and hurt you. It's funny, right? You're worrying more about
40:44
getting stung by some morning.
40:47
I'm like, and then they're like, oh, that's fine. Just watch out for the snakes.
40:50
We have a bunch of copperheads and rattlesnakes. I'm like, because what is this place? This is crazy.
40:55
And my wife is like, I'm scared to death because I go on the rides alone.
41:00
I have the Garmin Mini, and I'll ride with that. So if I get into a really bad spot, I could push it.
41:07
But at least you can track the MCM. you know yeah thank
41:10
goodness but it is fun and i always i just kind of found
41:13
out that like it is something that just really makes me
41:16
happy and i am able to like just really enjoy
41:19
it and especially this year as i didn't do as much structure
41:22
training i kind of knew how to just maintain an aerobic
41:25
base and and ride consistently and at
41:28
a level where i'm not blowing myself out but it was just
41:31
really fun i had a lot of fun and i really just wanted to fall
41:34
back in love with that and not have the angst around it
41:38
or and that was great because it's been a really good
41:40
balance of just like having fun training i still
41:43
ride like a one you know one and a half two hours a
41:46
day and then feeling really in a good place for like the family and business
41:50
and i think that like as you know as someone that loves it i think you're always
41:55
constantly trying to find that balance with like life and how much you're doing
41:59
for sport whether it is a healthy beneficial thing for you Or if it's kind of just like,
42:04
I don't know, I think if you're good at it, I don't know, you can get sucked
42:08
into doing it too much, right?
42:10
Especially with the amount of volume needed, like when you're doing long endurance events.
42:15
They're like, yeah, it'd be great if you could just do like six hours on two
42:18
ride on Saturday, you know, to like really help build your base.
42:21
And you're like, wow, that's a lot, you know, but it's not.
42:24
It's funny because once you get in, you're always, you always think you can
42:27
come around and be like, yeah, that's not that much.
42:29
You tell other people that and they're like, oh, no. Yeah. Everybody thinks I'm crazy.
42:34
I have four hours to do tomorrow, so nobody's going to get that.
42:37
We all know that feeling. It's like a calm and love.
42:40
I know. The other thing that my wife thinks is crazy is I don't like to listen to music or anything.
42:45
Because for me, I don't do good at just sitting down and being like, I'm going to meditate.
42:50
But it almost is meditation to me. It is.
42:55
And if I'm doing structure training or not, I'm only just focusing on what I'm doing at that time.
43:01
So even strength training, no music, nothing on it.
43:04
Yeah, I mean, strength training is like a little bit more. It's like I'll just
43:06
I usually will like go on like YouTube and watching like some kind of cycling something there.
43:10
Oh, there's like Zafa, Brian. Have you seen that guy on YouTube?
43:13
No. Zafa, S-A-F-A. I think he's from Europe, but he's kind of like he lived
43:18
in Mexico City for a little bit. He now lives near L.A.
43:21
And he ran on a road bike like downhill and stuff.
43:25
They will just go and he'll do some oh he has long
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hair right yeah yeah i know so yeah last he
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rode with like tom peacock and yeah and he's he's
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a beast and that was like so cool so i always like watch his
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like youtube stuff and see what he's it's always like entertaining and
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what's kind of cool is like he'll do like a
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45 minute clip on youtube him like right like we're
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going for a ride in like the malibu hills and just
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record the whole thing so if you're riding you're like this
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is great i'm just gonna throw this on and do what
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it's like to ride in maladu and i'll just ride my zone too you
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know so much fun yeah but no i hear you for me also i barely listen to music
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especially on the gravel because you have to pay so much attention to your you
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know the line you're picking and that they are raw or whatever way so which
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is great because then i'm not thinking about anything it's so nice to like not
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think about work or anything else and just be like rock.
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Or if there's bears. Or a bear. True. If you had that music on,
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God forbid. For relaxation, you know.
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No, but definitely like in the mountains, too, when I'm riding.
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Like sometimes you can hear the moose, like big, huge moose,
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like kind of walking through the forest.
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So you kind of like you want to hear that, too, as well and be like,
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OK, probably shouldn't go too close to them because they're crazy.
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They'll just go through thick, dense forest.
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Wow. Will they run in front of you? I ran into them. There was two of them.
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And the big, large male was like just on the middle of the trail.
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And it's just dense forest on either side.
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And they really just kind of move when they want to. Like even throwing rocks,
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like not like hitting them with rocks, but like, can you throw rocks into the
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bushes or something to try to like have them move?
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They'll just like look at it and they don't move unless they want. And great. They do.
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And then you try to quickly go by and go away because they're,
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they are massive. They're massive.
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It is shocking to see them in person. You know, I can only imagine that would
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feel like a bear to me. Yeah. Bigger.
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Because their backs are like six feet off the ground, you know,
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just where their back is.
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And so then. I can't imagine that wildlife. I mean, we have where where I go graveling and stuff.
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There's there's trucks and I've seen. I know I rode through.
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That's that's a big fear of mine. When we were in West Palm Beach,
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we stayed there for like a baby move before we had our last little last little girl, Margo.
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And I was like, oh, it looks like there's some like gravel roads over here.
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It's kind of like this like nature preserve.
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I was like, oh, I'm going to go ride that. So I rode over and I'm like going
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through and they're like, please close the gate so that like things don't get
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out. And I'm like, oh, like what things?
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And so I'm riding and I'm like, there's all these logs like on the trail, like up ahead.
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I'm going to have to like bunny hop them or like get over them or something.
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Well, all the logs started getting up and like walking in the water.
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There's all the way. I had never seen one before. That's my worst nightmare.
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And I talked to like a park ranger at the end. And I'm like,
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he gave me the most confusing feedback ever. I was like, are they problematic?
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Like, do you have problems with them? He's like, no, there's like...
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They're fine and i'm like okay and he's like but there are
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some big ones and they can be dangerous so you gotta
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watch out i'm like hold up you said no it's fine then
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there's big ones watch out like so what's the best thing what is it like right
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right that's only more confusing with a wild animal like that they were all
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pretty cool like they got most of them just got up and walked back into the
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water like when i was riding by like but i rode i was like i'm riding i'm gonna ride fast.
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Again yeah yeah yeah it is wild there's
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always there's this one area i go past and there's this
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huge crock even on the road bike i'll never forget
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i was riding and i'm just kind of looking over to the side at the water you
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know and i'm getting close to like the ledge right there and i'm just like and
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i'm like wow that's a big rock over there that like i no joke it looked like
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a bunch of rocks on top of each other and it oh my god it is like the hugest crock i've ever seen.
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They're basically riding through Jurassic Park. They're dinosaurs.
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They're dinosaurs. So we just wanted to ask if there's anything else you want
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to talk about or promote.
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I don't know if you guys are coming up with any new shows or...
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They're always trying to get us to do more TV and people would like us to come
47:27
back. So we're always kind of considering the ideas they have going on.
47:31
We have just continued to have our partnerships with Target and we've done some with Polar.
47:36
It was like plumbing and we're just continuing to grow.
47:39
We have some really cool projects coming out we may do some more television
47:42
but it takes a lot of time and effort television yeah
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it's roughly you know if they want three to four days a
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week over like 10 months out on top of trying to
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run our business which we really enjoy doing and is and then with the family
47:55
component on top of that as well so it's due to like how we want to live and
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how we enjoy life it's really hard it's like what i've learned through being
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a front row to that is like you have you have to just set some things aside
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for yourself that are just fun and enjoyable right i I don't know,
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it makes me feel like a kid and it does make me keep feeling young. And so I truly do love it.
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It is a really fun thing and it does bring a lot of good balance to my life.
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So it's something to keep me
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healthy, but just an escape and some of that meditation we talked about.
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So yeah, overall, it's something I truly love. I celebrate you on that and for sharing that.
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It's just to be able to ride your bike and have that outlet and have that balance.
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That's the best way to do it. We really wanted to thank you for your time.
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Thank you, guys. It was great to meet you. Take care. Bye.
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