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The Rita Panahi Show | 10 September · The Rita Panahi Show

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Speaker 1: Starting right now, The Rita Panahy Show.
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Speaker 2: Good evening and welcome to The Rita Panahy Show. Coming up,
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Speaker 2: a special edition of the program where we pay tribute
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Speaker 2: to Charlie Kirk. Tonight marks one year since the man
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Speaker 2: many believed was destined to be the president of the
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Speaker 2: United States one day was murdered. The night the man
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Speaker 2: who implored people to talk to each other, to keep
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Speaker 2: open the lines of communication and debate, to always see
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Speaker 2: the good in your opponent, even if you reject their politics.
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Speaker 2: Joining me tonight are Charlie's friends, Dave Rubin, Josh Hammer,
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Speaker 2: Kinsey Schofield and Alex Stein. Now, despite his young age,
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Speaker 2: Charlie's influence was enormous. He moved the dial. He got
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Speaker 2: people to think, to look at things from a different angle.
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Speaker 2: His voice was so enormously important, particularly among young people.
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Speaker 2: And a year ago, that voice was silenced by an
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Speaker 2: assassin's bullet. Charlie was just 31 and through Turning Point USA,
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Speaker 2: he took conservative ideas into the most hostile of territories,
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Speaker 2: university campuses. He brought it to students who had been
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Speaker 2: indoctrinated into one world view from elementary school all.
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Speaker 3: The way through to college.
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Speaker 2: Charlie helped to bring conservatism to a new generation. He
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Speaker 2: did it by standing in front of hostile crowds and
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Speaker 2: encouraging them to talk.
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Speaker 4: I go around universities and have challenging conversations.
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Speaker 5: Because that's what is so important to our country is
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Speaker 5: to find our disagreements, respectfully, because when people stop talking,
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Speaker 5: that's when violence happens.
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Speaker 6: I've never seen someone do this.
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Speaker 4: Well, it's a growing trend because people like me are
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Speaker 4: facing violence, assault.
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Speaker 6: The left.
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Speaker 7: Yes.
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Speaker 2: And in the end, that hateful leftist ideology killed him.
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Speaker 2: And in the aftermath, a disturbing number of people on
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Speaker 2: the left, including right here in Australia, celebrated Charlie's death,
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Speaker 2: or they sought to rationalise it.
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Speaker 3: They thought it was a win.
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Speaker 2: It's why it's more important than ever to continue his legacy. Tonight,
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Speaker 2: we remember Charlie Kirk not only as the victim of
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Speaker 2: a terrible act of political violence, but as a father,
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Speaker 2: a husband, a friend and an unapologetic conservative who believed
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Speaker 2: that ideas were worth fighting for. Joining me now is
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Speaker 2: the host of The Rubin Report, Dave Rubin. Dave, it's
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Speaker 2: now a year since Charlie was murdered. I know you
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Speaker 2: were close to him. And when you think back to
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Speaker 2: the person you knew, not the public figure that the
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Speaker 2: world saw, what.
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Speaker 3: Do you miss most about him?
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Speaker 2: And what do you think people still misunderstand about Charlie?
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Speaker 5: Oh, boy.
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Speaker 8: Well, the first part I can tell you is that
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Speaker 8: the public persona that you saw and that millions of
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Speaker 8: people across the world saw That was Charlie. Charlie off
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Speaker 8: camera or off stage or without a mic was the
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Speaker 8: exact same person. We talked about the exact same things.
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Speaker 8: We would debate politics in front of hundreds or sometimes
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Speaker 8: thousands of college kids.
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Speaker 1: At different universities.
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Speaker 8: And then we'd hop in the car, go to dinner,
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Speaker 8: and we would continue the debate. And 10 years or
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Speaker 8: so ago, when Charlie and I first met, we started
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Speaker 8: touring together because we were on opposite sides of the
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Speaker 8: political spectrum. and one of, I can say many great
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Speaker 8: things about Charlie, but one of the best things I
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Speaker 8: can say about Charlie is that I actually came a
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Speaker 8: lot closer to his opinions over the years than he
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Speaker 8: came to mine. He was a decent, gracious person, but
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Speaker 8: what I most miss about him is that he did
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Speaker 8: it all with a smile. You know, Rita, this is
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Speaker 8: all politics has gotten so toxic and angry. And Charlie, yeah,
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Speaker 8: there's a couple videos maybe where he lost his temper
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Speaker 8: now and again.
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Speaker 1: Showed a little more emotion.
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Speaker 8: But he really put his best foot forward. He would
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Speaker 8: joke around with these kids. I remember one time we
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Speaker 8: were at a school somewhere in the Midwest. I don't
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Speaker 8: even remember which one. We did many events together. And,
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Speaker 8: you know, they'd be pulling fire alarms and yelling. And
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Speaker 8: there'd be protesters outside. And they'd be banging on the windows,
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Speaker 8: all this stuff. And, you know, it could get kind
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Speaker 8: of tense. And we had security with us. And a
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Speaker 8: kid actually threw a cup of hot coffee at us.
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Speaker 8: And some of it went on me and some of
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Speaker 8: it went on Charlie. But I was wearing a blazer
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Speaker 8: like this, you know, a nice jacket. And Charlie was
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Speaker 8: just in his usual T-shirt. And without even flinching or pausing,
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Speaker 8: he just turns to me and he goes, Dave, that's
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Speaker 8: why I don't wear blazers.
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Speaker 1: I just wear these old T-shirts. Like, he just took
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Speaker 1: everything in stride. He really did. And we miss him.
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Speaker 1: And I mean it. It's not just we, the people
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Speaker 1: that liked him.
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Speaker 8: I think the country and all over the world, we
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Speaker 8: miss him and we need a little more of what
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Speaker 8: he offered. And I've really tried to level up in
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Speaker 8: the years since, but we got a lot of work to.
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Speaker 3: Do, Rita.
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Speaker 2: Well, you're so right about him being so polite, so agreeable.
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Speaker 3: He was the joyful warrior. He really was.
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Speaker 2: The way he has been portrayed by so many on
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Speaker 2: the left as some sort of a hate preacher couldn't
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Speaker 2: be further from the truth. And even if you watch
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Speaker 2: those debates where he is completely at odds with an
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Speaker 2: ideological opponent, he is always coming from a place of kindness.
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Speaker 3: He never played dirty.
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Speaker 2: And his intellect, I think, was just incredible. That's something
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Speaker 2: I think has been underplayed since.
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Speaker 3: We've lost him. He was genius.
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Speaker 2: His recall of information was second to none.
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Speaker 8: Yeah, well, he knew what he was talking about. He
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Speaker 8: actually read the books. He actually wrote his books, something
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Speaker 8: pretty rare in our line of work. And he deeply cared. And,
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Speaker 8: you know, one of the other things that I loved
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Speaker 8: about Charlie was what he always wanted to do was
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Speaker 8: expand the sort of MAGA tent without ruining the tent poles,
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Speaker 8: meaning he He wanted to bring in libertarians and he
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Speaker 8: wanted to bring in sort.
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Speaker 1: Of ex-libs like myself.
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Speaker 8: He wanted to bring in atheists even though he was
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Speaker 8: a person of faith. He wanted to bring in as
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Speaker 8: many people as possible under the rubric of the word
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Speaker 8: that was on his shirt the day he was assassinated,
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Speaker 8: which was freedom. And if you believed in human freedom,
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Speaker 8: then Charlie could put aside some of the political differences
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Speaker 8: he had with you. And I would say that's in
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Speaker 8: stark contrast to some of the things we're seeing on
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Speaker 8: the left right now where we keep being told that
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Speaker 8: the Democrat Party is so wide tent because they're bringing
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Speaker 8: in socialists and Marxists and communists and Islamists, but that's
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Speaker 8: not a wide tent. You're bringing in people to hack
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Speaker 8: away at the tent poles. Charlie really thought, boy, freedom
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Speaker 8: is the tent, and how many people can we fit
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Speaker 8: within that? And that is something that he did extraordinarily well.
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Speaker 8: I'll tell you one other quick story about Charlie on
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Speaker 8: the personal side. A couple years ago, I was on
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Speaker 8: my book tour, and we were doing a live event
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Speaker 8: in Tucson, Arizona, And Charlie was gonna open for me.
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Speaker 8: I had different people come and open for me at
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Speaker 8: the different stops. And Turning Point was located in Arizona,
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Speaker 8: so Charlie was gonna come. He was in debilitating back pain.
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Speaker 8: You probably know, Rita, Charlie was really tall.
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Speaker 1: He was about 6'3.
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Speaker 8: And that came with a certain amount of back pain.
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Speaker 8: He was quite a good basketball player. He barely could walk.
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Speaker 8: He told me in the morning, he didn't think he
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Speaker 8: could do it. He would try. I got a backup
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Speaker 8: person to come open for me, but Charlie showed up
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Speaker 8: about five minutes before. He literally was laying on the
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Speaker 8: floor in the green room because he could not stand.
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Speaker 8: He managed to go on stage and not only did
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Speaker 8: he go on stage, he said lovely things about me,
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Speaker 8: but then he stayed the entire show and did the
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Speaker 8: meet and greet with me because so many people were
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Speaker 8: excited that he was there. And by the way, he
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Speaker 8: refused money for the entire thing.
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Speaker 1: He was a good man.
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Speaker 3: He was.
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Speaker 2: He was a great man and his murder produced two
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Speaker 2: very different reactions around the world. There was the extraordinary
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Speaker 2: outpouring of grief. We saw that in Phoenix for his memorial.
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Speaker 2: But we also saw some really ugly, disgusting celebrations and
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Speaker 2: commentaries from the left, including right here in Australia, it
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Speaker 2: has to be said. I know it's changed how I
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Speaker 2: see things. my role, how I see the modern left.
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Speaker 2: Has that experience changed the way you view the level
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Speaker 2: of political hatred in America?
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Speaker 8: Well, I would say, look, I expect very little decency
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Speaker 8: from the left. I don't expect them to respect us.
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Speaker 8: I don't expect them to like us. I don't expect
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Speaker 8: them to listen to our ideas. They've made that very
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Speaker 8: clear over the last 10 years. You've been on the
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Speaker 8: forefront of that in your country. I've What I would
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Speaker 8: say is different in this case is we also got
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Speaker 8: a very strange reaction from a certain portion of the right.
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Speaker 8: I mean, this is where people like Tucker Carlson decides
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Speaker 8: three months after Charlie dies to bring Nick Fuentes and
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Speaker 8: put him on his show. This was the only person
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Speaker 8: that Charlie made it very clear he did not want
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Speaker 8: to be part of his movement. I don't even have
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Speaker 8: to bother going into all of the things about his
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Speaker 8: former quote-unquote friend Candace Owens. So we've seen a certain
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Speaker 8: nastiness erupt on both sides. And I think one of
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Speaker 8: the things that none of us, even though those of
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Speaker 8: us who knew Charlie really well, none of us realized
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Speaker 8: he really.
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Speaker 1: Was a dam against craziness.
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Speaker 8: There was a certain amount of craziness that somehow he
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Speaker 8: was integral in holding back. And his death has unleashed
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Speaker 8: a torrent of craziness across the political spectrum. And, you know,
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Speaker 8: it's like we need... We need to find the next
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Speaker 8: Charlie Kirk. And maybe he's watching this right now. Maybe
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Speaker 8: he's in Australia. Maybe he's in America. But it's not
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Speaker 8: just one of them. We need an army of them.
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Speaker 8: And that's what Charlie was building with Turning Point.
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Speaker 3: We haven't found them yet.
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Speaker 2: I know Turning Point is growing at a rapid rate,
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Speaker 2: but you could question how effective it is now without
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Speaker 2: Charlie at the helm. Are we in a much darker
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Speaker 2: place since Charlie's murder? It was a moment we could
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Speaker 2: have learned from and got stronger, but Do you realistically
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Speaker 2: think that has happened or has it strengthened the modern
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Speaker 2: left and their normalization of political violence?
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Speaker 7: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Well, unfortunately, we've seen a series of these events.
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Speaker 8: You know, right after Charlie got killed, you know, you
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Speaker 8: saw on TikTok a certain amount of kids celebrating. But
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Speaker 8: you also saw, you know, Hassan Piker, who's now the
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Speaker 8: thought leader of the progressive socialist movement, saying, well, he
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Speaker 8: could understand why Charlie got killed. And by the way,
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Speaker 8: that is also what he and others said when Luigi
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Speaker 8: Mangione killed United Healthcare CEO Brian Thompson in Times Square,
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Speaker 8: a lot of people on the left said, well, you
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Speaker 8: could understand why somebody might kill a healthcare CEO, or
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Speaker 8: why would somebody try to assassinate President Trump? So they've
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Speaker 8: gone out of their way over the years, not just
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Speaker 8: the foot soldiers, but some of the thought leaders, to
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Speaker 8: basically say, yeah, we kind of, wink, wink, are.
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Speaker 1: Okay with violence.
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Speaker 8: And you virtually never see that from people on the right.
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Speaker 8: That's not an airtight conclusion, but it's pretty close. So
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Speaker 8: they've made it clear that political violence is part of
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Speaker 8: what they are willing to do to accomplish their goals.
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Speaker 8: And once you say that's okay, once, okay, well, I
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Speaker 8: can understand why you'd, take out that person who disagrees
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Speaker 8: with me, well, congratulations. You have now opened a Pandora's
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Speaker 8: box where someone might look at you and say, well,
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Speaker 8: that person disagrees with me and they better go. So
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Speaker 8: it really is something that is, you start pulling that
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Speaker 8: string and you are going to undo something that is
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Speaker 8: deeply important to the fabric of society.
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Speaker 2: Dave, on Hasan Paik, only earlier today, I was watching
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Speaker 2: some clips of him with Charlie on stage.
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Speaker 3: Debating all sorts of ideas.
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Speaker 2: And by all accounts, off stage, they were friendly, civil
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Speaker 2: to each other. They obviously spent a bit of time together.
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Speaker 2: And yet, in recent weeks, Assan Paika has been mocking
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Speaker 2: Charlie's murder, even singing and dancing about it on stage.
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Speaker 2: And that to me is more than sinister, more than evil.
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Speaker 2: It's deeply depressing. How can someone dehumanize someone they knew
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Speaker 2: so well, someone they broke bread with.
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Speaker 8: It's a line that my friend Dennis Prager has been
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Speaker 8: using for about 40 years, which is that the right
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Speaker 8: thinks that the left is wrong and the left thinks
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Speaker 8: that the right is evil. And I think Hasan Piker
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Speaker 8: dancing on stage while singing a song about Charlie Kirk
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Speaker 8: mocking him, I mean, it almost doesn't get much more
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Speaker 8: disgusting than that.
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Speaker 1: But again, we shouldn't be surprised. They have decided that this.
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Speaker 8: Political revolution that they want should be above everything else.
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Speaker 8: It should be above civility, it should be above all norms,
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Speaker 8: that there's nothing that is holy to these people. And
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Speaker 8: once you remove that, then everything is fair game. So
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Speaker 8: I have no doubt, Rita, that over the next day
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Speaker 8: or two around Charlie's death, and then of course to
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Speaker 8: the backdrop of September 11th, there will be plenty of
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Speaker 8: TikTok videos celebrating Charlie's murder. And there will be plenty
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Speaker 8: of TikTok videos mocking 9-11 and even its victims. And
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Speaker 8: that's just something that's now baked into modern discourse in
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Speaker 8: a world that's online now.
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Speaker 2: On September 11, it's the 25-year anniversary.
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Speaker 3: Of the world's deadliest terrorist attack tomorrow. Let's hear from
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Speaker 3: President Trump.
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Speaker 9: On 9-11, nearly 3,000 precious souls were stolen from us,
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Speaker 9: killed by evil terrorists at the World Trade Center. the
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Speaker 9: Pentagon and on Flight 93. All of these years later,
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Speaker 9: we gather on another Tuesday morning in September to reaffirm
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Speaker 9: the sacred vow we made a quarter of a century ago.
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Speaker 6: We will never forget.
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Speaker 1: We say it and we mean it. We will never.
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Speaker 9: Forget those we lost and we will never forget the
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Speaker 9: immortal heroes of September 11th.
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Speaker 3: Dave, America has changed so much in 25 years. New
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Speaker 3: York has.
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Speaker 3: Changed so much.
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Speaker 2: What are your reflections on that horrific day and how
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Speaker 2: it shaped the years that followed?
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Speaker 8: Rita, I lived in New York City during 9-11. I
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Speaker 8: was 25 years old. I lived on the Upper West Side.
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Speaker 8: My father was working in Manhattan, saw the second plane
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Speaker 8: hit the tower.
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Speaker 1: My grandmother lived in the city.
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Speaker 8: One of my cousins was a firefighter who went to
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Speaker 8: Ground Zero. I had plenty of friends in the area.
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Speaker 8: I know people whose parents died. It was an unimaginably
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Speaker 8: evil day For weeks after 9-11, you could smell the
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Speaker 8: smoke and the soot in the city. It was eerily
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Speaker 8: quiet and bizarre. The fact that 25 years later, Zorhan Mamdami,
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Speaker 8: that he is the mayor on the 25th anniversary, is
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Speaker 8: rather disgusting. I hope that more people will listen to
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Speaker 8: Rudy Giuliani talk about what it was like on that day.
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Speaker 8: than listen to anything that Mamdami has to say. It's
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Speaker 8: deeply disturbing that this is the state of New York
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Speaker 8: right now. And it connects to so many other issues
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Speaker 8: that we're always talking about with the left, with.
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Speaker 1: Immigration and so much more.
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Speaker 8: But America, just like every Western country in the world,
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Speaker 8: is going to have to remember how to fight for itself.
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Speaker 8: And unfortunately, sometimes it takes these horrific moments to remember that.
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Speaker 2: Dave, we're less than two months from the midterms. There's
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Speaker 2: already talk about which direction the MAGA movement is going
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Speaker 2: to take post-Donald Trump, whether it's going to be Marco Rubio, J.D.
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Speaker 3: Vance, perhaps Ron DeSantis.
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Speaker 2: If Charlie were sitting here today, where do you think
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Speaker 2: he would stand on the future of the MAGA movement
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Speaker 2: and who do you think he would be backing to
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Speaker 2: be the next president in 2028?
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Speaker 10: Sure.
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Speaker 8: Well, first, I should just say one of the things
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Speaker 8: I've really tried not to do in the last year
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Speaker 8: is use old Charlie quotes for my own political purposes
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Speaker 8: or anything else. I've just seen too many people do that.
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Speaker 8: So I don't know that I want to prognosticate, but
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Speaker 8: I would say this because I think this is fairly
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Speaker 8: empirically true, which is that Charlie would support whoever Donald
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Speaker 8: Trump was supporting. Uh, whether that is any of those
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Speaker 8: three Vance or, or Rubio or DeSantis or someone else
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Speaker 8: remains to be seen. I mean, Vance as the, uh,
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Speaker 8: vice president obviously is the front runner. Rubio has tons
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Speaker 8: and tons of support and in politics, you just never know.
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Speaker 1: We're about to have a Republican.
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Speaker 8: We're having a Republican, uh, convention right now at the
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Speaker 8: midterms of the first time ever, we're going to obviously
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Speaker 8: have a big convention and it will be the end
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Speaker 8: of Donald Trump's political career. And Donald Trump, well, he
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Speaker 8: did host The Apprentice for 10 or 15 years before
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Speaker 8: going into politics. He knows a little something about bringing
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Speaker 8: on the next people and making stars and everything else.
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Speaker 8: So I think it's going to be something that's fought for.
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Speaker 8: I don't think it's just going to be handed over
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Speaker 8: to J.D. But I would say the real way I
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Speaker 8: can answer that question without using Charlie's words would be
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Speaker 8: that Charlie would want someone who would fight for freedom,
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Speaker 8: who would fight for capitalism, who would fight for free markets.
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Speaker 1: Who understood that faith and liberty are.
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Speaker 8: Often intertwined, someone who would deeply respect free speech. And fortunately,
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Speaker 8: on the Republican side, you know, those three guys are
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Speaker 8: pretty good and there'll probably be a bunch of others.
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Speaker 8: And that'll be in stark contrast to whatever, you know,
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Speaker 8: commie socialist Islamist the Democrats put up.
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Speaker 3: Dave, you're right.
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Speaker 2: The Democrats are in all sorts of trouble with the
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Speaker 2: caliber of their candidates. It's been an absolute pleasure talking
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Speaker 2: to you tonight. Thank you so much for your time.
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Speaker 3: And joining me now is a man who knew.
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Speaker 2: Charlie Kirk well, Article 3 Project Senior Counsel and Shulman
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Speaker 2: Fellow at the.
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Speaker 3: David Horowitz Freedom Centre, Josh Hammer.
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Speaker 2: Josh, Charlie took conservative ideas to young people. He took
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Speaker 2: it to a potential voter base that conservatives had all
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Speaker 2: but written off. They thought those young people were unreachable.
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Speaker 2: Tell me about the importance of what he did and
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Speaker 2: the success he achieved.
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Speaker 11: Well, Rita, frankly, it's hard to know where to begin.
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Speaker 11: I think we could probably talk for hours about the
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Speaker 11: whole legacy that Charlie left behind. But just sticking to
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Speaker 11: this narrow area, I think that you raise a very
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Speaker 11: important point, which is back in 2008 at the apex
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Speaker 11: of the Barack Obama Hope and Change Coalition, a lot
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Speaker 11: of people thought that it was a foregone conclusion that
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Speaker 11: it was always going to be the case that the
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Speaker 11: 18 to 29 demographic, millennials, now Zoomers, Gen Alpha, et cetera.
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Speaker 11: It was always at that time that young people would
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Speaker 11: naturally gravitate towards leftism, liberalism, the Democratic Party. And one
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Speaker 11: of the greatest feathers in Charlie Kerr's cap came in 2024,
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Speaker 11: in the most recent presidential election, when Donald Trump defeated
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Speaker 11: Kamala Harris and took a larger share of the young
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Speaker 11: vote that a Republican has taken in a generation or
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Speaker 11: two or three or more. I don't even know, frankly,
19:19
Speaker 11: the last time that Young people broke for the Republican
19:22
Speaker 11: as much as they broke for Trump. You probably have
19:24
Speaker 11: to go back at least as far as Ronald Reagan.
19:26
Speaker 11: So he was a visionary, Rita. This guy who started
19:29
Speaker 11: Turnpoint USA in his parents' garage back when he was
19:32
Speaker 11: in high school, built it into one of, if not
19:34
Speaker 11: the most formidable mass mobilization, grassroots organization, conservative vehicles, membership organizations,
19:42
Speaker 11: just trying to get people active in politics. And I think, Rita,
19:46
Speaker 11: when I think one year later about Charlie's foremost legacy,
19:49
Speaker 11: that is the number one thing that comes to mind.
19:51
Speaker 11: This is a guy who loved his country and just
19:53
Speaker 11: thought that there was inherent value in discussion, in talking
19:58
Speaker 11: about ideas, in getting engaged in the issues, in trying
20:02
Speaker 11: to kind of recapture that old Tocquevillian notion from once
20:06
Speaker 11: upon a time in early Republic America that that you
20:08
Speaker 11: have to be engaged in all the levers of democracy
20:11
Speaker 11: at a very young age, ideally. He was a master
20:15
Speaker 11: of that.
20:15
Speaker 6: He was a genius.
20:16
Speaker 11: And for that and so many other reasons, his legacy
20:19
Speaker 11: and he as a human being just dearly missed one
20:23
Speaker 11: year later.
20:25
Speaker 3: Well, he was also all in on President Trump, wasn't he?
20:28
Speaker 2: He was absolutely ecstatic when, against all odds, against all
20:33
Speaker 2: the lawfare, all the attempts to persecute and prosecute Trump
20:38
Speaker 2: allies and family members, even the president himself, that in
20:41
Speaker 2: the end he triumphed again. I want to play you
20:44
Speaker 2: footage of that moment, the moment Charlie learned President Trump
20:48
Speaker 2: had won. This is when the result was called on
20:53
Speaker 2: election night.
20:53
Speaker 3: Have a look.
20:54
Speaker 12: Fox News decides Donald.
20:57
Speaker 6: Trump is president of the United States. We've got our republic.
21:01
Speaker 9: Back, folks.
21:05
Speaker 1: Let's go. There it is.
21:12
Speaker 12: Everybody should remember this moment. Look, I'm going to, I'm
21:14
Speaker 12: going to echo Charlie from earlier. Remember where you were
21:17
Speaker 12: when this happened. Remember where you were when you realized
21:22
Speaker 12: that the unit party and all of these, you know,
21:24
Speaker 12: just the establishment, you said it's time to actually participate
21:29
Speaker 12: and look what you guys have done.
21:31
Speaker 7: And if anyone deserves to get tears in his eyes,
21:34
Speaker 7: it's Charlie. I think we all agree.
21:36
Speaker 13: No one has worked harder.
21:40
Speaker 6: Than Charlie for this.
21:41
Speaker 12: We got to hear some words here from you, Charlie.
21:44
Speaker 12: You put all this together, my man.
21:46
Speaker 6: Let's hear it.
21:46
Speaker 7: I am just humbled by Guy.
21:50
Speaker 1: It's all Guy.
21:51
Speaker 2: Josh, how important was Charlie to the MAGA movement?
21:58
Speaker 11: Well, Rita, I'll be honest with you. I've actually never
22:00
Speaker 11: seen that clip before. That's pretty touching stuff. I mean,
22:03
Speaker 11: just the raw emotion is just, I mean, impossible to ignore.
22:08
Speaker 11: And it just goes to show you that Charlie Kirk
22:11
Speaker 11: was a very, very real human being. And that, I think,
22:15
Speaker 11: is one of the better parts of his legacy as well.
22:17
Speaker 11: I mean, frankly, Rita, in the space that you and
22:20
Speaker 11: I both work in, in Australia, United States, there are
22:22
Speaker 11: a lot of folks who are in it for clicks,
22:25
Speaker 11: who are in it for for all sorts of reasons
22:27
Speaker 11: that don't necessarily mean that they care about first principles
22:30
Speaker 11: and values in the country. Charlie was someone who actually
22:34
Speaker 11: truly believed in what he was doing. He believed in
22:37
Speaker 11: the United States of America. He believed that this was,
22:39
Speaker 11: as Ronald Reagan said, the last best hope for mankind.
22:42
Speaker 11: He was a genuinely devout religious Christian as well. In
22:47
Speaker 11: conservative politics in America, there are a lot of people,
22:49
Speaker 11: elected officials, commentators, who say that they are Christians, but
22:53
Speaker 11: they don't really exactly understand walk the walk in their
22:55
Speaker 11: private life. Charlie absolutely did that as well. So he
22:58
Speaker 11: was a very real person. And I think my big
23:00
Speaker 11: takeaway from the clip we just saw is that he
23:03
Speaker 11: was in touch with his emotions and he was a
23:05
Speaker 11: great husband, a great father. And again, he is just
23:07
Speaker 11: so sorely missed. But one of the many ways that
23:09
Speaker 11: he is missed one year later is that he was,
23:12
Speaker 11: as my new column, Save the New York Post argues,
23:15
Speaker 11: he was the indispensable man in the MAGA movement. He
23:18
Speaker 11: was the maintainer of the coalition. He was the single
23:22
Speaker 11: person who was best suited was most ably suited and
23:25
Speaker 11: who did indeed guard the perimeters of the coalition, who
23:29
Speaker 11: was able to man the floodgates to prevent some sordid
23:34
Speaker 11: forces from getting in. Some of those forces, unfortunately, have
23:36
Speaker 11: taken opportunistic advantage of his absence and have gained ground
23:41
Speaker 11: in the year that he's no longer with us. But
23:44
Speaker 11: he really was the person, Rita, who held this entire
23:46
Speaker 11: coalition together. And again, as Republicans now face some uphill
23:51
Speaker 11: wins in this November election, That's one of the many, many,
23:55
Speaker 11: many reasons the trolley is still missed.
23:59
Speaker 2: Well, he was seen by many as destined to be
24:01
Speaker 2: the next, well, not the next, at some point, the
24:04
Speaker 2: President of the United States.
24:06
Speaker 3: It's a big call, but I believed it.
24:08
Speaker 2: When you watched him debate, when you watched him speak,
24:12
Speaker 2: he spoke with such moral clarity, such conviction, his intellect
24:18
Speaker 2: and just his work ethic, the way he could change
24:21
Speaker 2: people's minds and That's difficult these days.
24:24
Speaker 3: Everyone talks to.
24:25
Speaker 2: People who already agree with them. But he was one
24:28
Speaker 2: of those few people who could move the dial. When
24:31
Speaker 2: you spent time with him, and I know you two
24:33
Speaker 2: were close, did you think you were in the presence
24:37
Speaker 2: of a future POTUS?
24:40
Speaker 11: Listen, I thought it was entirely possible. You know, Rita,
24:43
Speaker 11: it's very difficult to become president of the United States,
24:45
Speaker 11: so you never know how a future prospective election might go.
24:48
Speaker 11: But Charlie absolutely had that kind of gravitas. He absolutely
24:52
Speaker 11: had that kind of ambition. And let's be honest with you,
24:55
Speaker 11: no one succeeds in politics unless you are more than
24:57
Speaker 11: a little ambitious. Charlie had that ambition. That's why he
25:00
Speaker 11: turned Turning Point USA into the absolute behemoth that it
25:04
Speaker 11: became under his watch. I'm not entirely sure if he
25:08
Speaker 11: was ever going to run for president. There were a
25:09
Speaker 11: lot of people who talked about that. It was definitely possible.
25:12
Speaker 3: But what I do know.
25:14
Speaker 11: is that when Charlie Kirk was taken from this world
25:18
Speaker 11: in his early 30s, he was already at the time
25:21
Speaker 11: one of the five to 10 most important conservative figures
25:25
Speaker 11: in America. And again, this is a guy who was
25:27
Speaker 11: literally in his early 30s. So, I mean, you know,
25:29
Speaker 11: try to fast forward 10, 15, 20 years. Who the
25:32
Speaker 11: heck knows? Like literally who knows what that even looks
25:36
Speaker 11: like at that point? It could be president.
25:38
Speaker 14: Sure.
25:38
Speaker 11: It could absolutely be president. Could it be something else
25:40
Speaker 11: of some unforeseen, unimagined grandeur or posture, that's entirely possible
25:46
Speaker 11: as well. But he was such, such an important figure.
25:49
Speaker 11: He was a good and decent human being, a man
25:52
Speaker 11: of sincere faith. And, you know, frankly, Rita, if I'm
25:55
Speaker 11: being honest with you, not a day goes by, literally
25:57
Speaker 11: not a day goes by in my life where I
26:00
Speaker 11: don't think about him. Don't think about frankly what happened
26:03
Speaker 11: one year ago, because it, It still feels like a
26:06
Speaker 11: bad dream. It honestly still feels like, to an extent,
26:09
Speaker 11: that this is not real life. It's one of those
26:11
Speaker 11: days that I remember it minute by minute. I remember
26:13
Speaker 11: the emotions. I remember breaking down tears, the phone calls,
26:16
Speaker 11: the this and that. It feels like it was just yesterday.
26:19
Speaker 11: I'm kind of still waiting for him to come back
26:22
Speaker 11: and to pick up the phone and answer my call
26:24
Speaker 11: once again, even though I know deep down it's not
26:26
Speaker 11: going to happen.
26:28
Speaker 14: It is.
26:28
Speaker 3: It's so heartbreaking.
26:29
Speaker 2: He touched so many people. And for people like yourself
26:33
Speaker 2: who were close to him, I can't imagine what it
26:35
Speaker 2: would be like because his legacy endures. We see his
26:39
Speaker 2: face everywhere. And I want to play you a small clip,
26:43
Speaker 2: a debate between Charlie and the Democrats' biggest influencer, their
26:48
Speaker 2: Charlie Kirk, you could say. a man who says America
26:51
Speaker 2: deserved 9-11, that the streets should be red with capitalist blood,
26:56
Speaker 2: who is unashamedly a communist, though he lives a multimillion-dollar
27:00
Speaker 2: lifestyle in a multimillion-dollar property. Here is Charlie Kirk calling
27:05
Speaker 2: out Hassan Paika on stage, and this just tells you
27:09
Speaker 2: plenty about the man.
27:10
Speaker 4: Why don't you give 95% of your money away and
27:12
Speaker 4: go live on a commune?
27:13
Speaker 7: Do you really think that that's how it works? Do
27:15
Speaker 7: you really think that's how it works?
27:16
Speaker 14: Why not?
27:16
Speaker 7: Go live what you preach. Because I, every single day.
27:19
Speaker 3: This is as silly.
27:19
Speaker 7: You talked uninterrupted.
27:20
Speaker 14: For five minutes.
27:21
Speaker 7: Hassan, let me finish.
27:21
Speaker 10: Okay, go ahead.
27:22
Speaker 6: Sorry, you're right.
27:22
Speaker 4: I live what I practice.
27:24
Speaker 7: I am a free market capitalist.
27:25
Speaker 4: I employ people. I took a risk. I have my
27:28
Speaker 4: own startup business. Every single day, I practice what I preach.
27:31
Speaker 4: He wants other people to contribute to what he considers
27:34
Speaker 4: to be a good idea, what he considers will make
27:36
Speaker 4: the world a better place.
27:37
Speaker 7: You have the freedom to go live as a socialist.
27:39
Speaker 10: Go do it, Hasan.
27:40
Speaker 7: What's stopping you?
27:41
Speaker 3: Okay.
27:41
Speaker 7: So here's why this is ridiculous.
27:43
Speaker 6: And the last point.
27:43
Speaker 7: The last point I.
27:44
Speaker 3: Will make is this.
27:46
Speaker 15: Here's why that conversation is absolutely preposterous. If I gave
27:50
Speaker 15: away the measly earnings that I had and gave away 95%
27:53
Speaker 15: of that, that wouldn't necessarily even push the needle.
27:57
Speaker 2: The difference between the two is stark, Josh. You've got
28:01
Speaker 2: Charlie living what he preaches, then you've got Hassan, the
28:06
Speaker 2: absolute hypocrite.
28:08
Speaker 3: And one of the things that was really quite....
28:12
Speaker 2: Terrible to see in recent weeks was Hasan Piker singing
28:15
Speaker 2: and dancing about Charlie's death, like it was some massive joke,
28:19
Speaker 2: given that they had this personal contact, this personal connection
28:23
Speaker 2: in the past.
28:26
Speaker 11: Yeah, well, that event, if I'm not mistaken, Rita, was
28:28
Speaker 11: actually some years ago. I think it was 2018, 2019,
28:31
Speaker 11: something along those lines. And you already see, even in
28:34
Speaker 11: a younger Charlie Kirk, remember, if my timeline's correct, this
28:37
Speaker 11: is before 2020, 2022, 2024. I mean, Turning Point USA
28:41
Speaker 11: was already formidable, but it had frankly not even gotten
28:44
Speaker 11: close to its zenith. And already then you see in
28:47
Speaker 11: Charlie Kirk in that clip, someone who has poise, who
28:51
Speaker 11: has equanimity, who has the ability just to think and
28:54
Speaker 11: dance on his feet very, very quickly. And he was
28:57
Speaker 11: extremely talented in these debate settings. He went to Oxford
29:01
Speaker 11: in England about a year and a half ago in
29:03
Speaker 11: the spring of 2025, and he absolutely tore up the
29:08
Speaker 11: Oxford Student Union. He was debating various propositions about radical
29:12
Speaker 11: Islam and Hamas and the like. And those are some
29:15
Speaker 11: of Charlie's absolute finest moments. He absolutely loved going into
29:19
Speaker 11: the lion's den. He loved challenging leftists. After all, that
29:23
Speaker 11: was the setting in which he was killed. He was
29:25
Speaker 11: killed while sitting under a canopy at Utah Valley University
29:28
Speaker 11: where the canopy was emblazoned with the words, prove me wrong,
29:31
Speaker 11: which is just a way of saying he was just
29:33
Speaker 11: trying to have a conversation. He was just trying to
29:36
Speaker 11: have a conversation with with leftists because he loved engaging
29:39
Speaker 11: people who did not agree with him.
29:42
Speaker 1: It's easy.
29:43
Speaker 11: If anything, it's too easy. It's frankly boring to talk
29:46
Speaker 11: all day with people who agree with you. Charlie was
29:48
Speaker 11: too good for that. He wanted to talk to people
29:50
Speaker 11: who did not agree with him. He wanted to persuade people.
29:52
Speaker 11: And again, he did so with logic, with rationality, but
29:56
Speaker 11: also with a big old-fashioned smile on his face because
29:59
Speaker 11: he really was a throwback to a bygone era, to
30:01
Speaker 11: a different era. And we need a lot more of that, Rita,
30:05
Speaker 11: in today's American discourse, frankly, in today's global political discourse. And,
30:09
Speaker 11: you know, one year later, rest in peace, my friend.
30:12
Speaker 11: We miss you every day.
30:15
Speaker 3: Well said, Josh Hammer. Thank you so much for your time.
30:18
Speaker 1: Thank you, Rita.
30:18
Speaker 6: Appreciate it.
30:22
Speaker 2: Still to come, lefties losing it, plus more on our
30:26
Speaker 2: special tribute to Charlie Kirk on the anniversary of his death.
30:30
Speaker 3: Alex Stein is up next.
30:40
Speaker 2: You're watching The Rita Panahy Show and it's time for
30:43
Speaker 2: Lefties Losing It. And the vile, hate-filled, ugly left has
30:49
Speaker 2: never stopped celebrating Charlie Kirk's murder and they are particularly
30:53
Speaker 2: excited about the anniversary of his death, including this next woman,
30:58
Speaker 2: We should worry less about how she is going to
31:00
Speaker 2: celebrate a man's murder and perhaps turn her attention to
31:03
Speaker 2: acquiring a sensible bra.
31:06
Speaker 9: You know, you can't be so ugly inside as to cackle.
31:20
Speaker 3: About a brutal murder. You can't be this ugly on
31:23
Speaker 3: the inside and the outside. Pick one, ladies.
31:27
Speaker 1: Kirkiversary party.
31:28
Speaker 3: When is Kirkiversary? On the 10th.
31:31
Speaker 16: Is that a stream day? Please tell me it's a
31:32
Speaker 16: stream day. The prophecy's been fulfilled.
31:37
Speaker 7: And I saw, listen, I saw a TikTok.
31:39
Speaker 16: Everyone's talking about, oh, Kirkiversary. Happy Kirkiversary.
31:41
Speaker 7: Who's excited?
31:42
Speaker 16: If you weren't there giggling and laughing, standing on that
31:46
Speaker 16: hill on the day of Kirkiversary last year, you're not
31:50
Speaker 16: allowed to celebrate Kirkiversary this year. And shout out to
31:52
Speaker 16: the TikToker that made that because I made that damn
31:55
Speaker 16: TikTok the day after.
31:57
Speaker 2: Now let's cleanse ourselves with a clip of a young
31:59
Speaker 2: lady doing God's work. Here is Brecca Stoll, who asks
32:05
Speaker 2: so-called progressives to explain their claims and says nothing as
32:09
Speaker 2: their abundant ignorance and lies shine through.
32:13
Speaker 3: Charlie would have liked this.
32:14
Speaker 17: We don't have to worry about losing our rights as women,
32:17
Speaker 17: as black people, as any marginalised group.
32:21
Speaker 7: So, got to represent.
32:23
Speaker 18: And how are those rights being taken away right now?
32:26
Speaker 17: How are they being taken away right now?
32:29
Speaker 6: So....
32:32
Speaker 3: Literally, just, like.
32:34
Speaker 18: I have teachers as friends.
32:38
Speaker 3: And they are.
32:38
Speaker 17: Struggling to try to educate our kids in classrooms. So
32:44
Speaker 17: because of what this administration is doing, black women.
32:49
Speaker 3: Are pretty much being murdered.
32:54
Speaker 17: In medical professions where we go to seek medical care.
32:59
Speaker 2: Now let's check in on Caitlin Bennett, who has been
33:02
Speaker 2: assaulted by feral lefties, who has been threatened, told that
33:05
Speaker 2: she should suffer the same fate as Charlie Kirk. And
33:09
Speaker 2: these attacks don't just come from young people on college campuses.
33:13
Speaker 2: Sometimes it's from ageing orphans.
33:16
Speaker 16: Horrible.
33:16
Speaker 14: Charlie Kirk is horrible?
33:17
Speaker 3: Yes.
33:18
Speaker 7: I'm glad he's not here. You're glad he's dead?
33:21
Speaker 19: Yes.
33:22
Speaker 14: Why would you say something like that, ma'am?
33:24
Speaker 16: Because he was horrible on the campuses, the college campuses.
33:28
Speaker 3: Horrible person.
33:29
Speaker 14: You know what?
33:29
Speaker 18: I do the exact same thing.
33:31
Speaker 3: Would you be glad if I would die?
33:33
Speaker 16: Maybe.
33:34
Speaker 3: I'd have to think about it. What, if she would die?
33:37
Speaker 3: I don't know.
33:39
Speaker 7: No, I don't know you, but I didn't know him either.
33:41
Speaker 2: Yep, those awfuls, those affluent white female lefties sure have
33:46
Speaker 2: an appetite for violence. Imagine saying that to a young
33:50
Speaker 2: woman's face, a woman you'd been politely conversing with. And
33:55
Speaker 2: good on Caitlin Bennett because she continues to go to
33:58
Speaker 2: college campuses and continues to call out the hypocrisy of
34:03
Speaker 2: the dim-witted and hateful left. Watch this septum-ring-wearing dude come
34:08
Speaker 2: close to tears when Caitlin pushes back.
34:12
Speaker 7: We need you all to, like, get out of here
34:13
Speaker 7: with your signs.
34:14
Speaker 6: What do you mean?
34:14
Speaker 14: Oh, you have borders on this campus.
34:16
Speaker 7: No, we have this space reserved as an official event.
34:18
Speaker 18: Yeah, so you have borders. Where's your borders at?
34:21
Speaker 7: Uh, this whole green area right here.
34:23
Speaker 14: Oh, so you want to control who comes in and out.
34:26
Speaker 14: Like an ICE agent or a Border Patrol agent. You
34:29
Speaker 14: wouldn't dare act like a fascist, would you? I would
34:32
Speaker 14: really encourage you on a rally on a campus. This
34:35
Speaker 14: is an event for sanctuary campuses. You probably shouldn't act
34:39
Speaker 14: like a fascist Border Patrol agent. You should take down
34:41
Speaker 14: your borders and let whoever wants on the space, okay?
34:49
Speaker 14: Why is your lip quivering?
34:51
Speaker 2: Joining me now is comedian and host of After Hours
34:55
Speaker 2: with Alex Stein. Alex, I know you are out there
34:59
Speaker 2: doing your best to follow Charlie's example.
35:02
Speaker 3: Tell me how he inspires.
35:04
Speaker 2: You to go out there among the haters and sometimes
35:07
Speaker 2: violent agitators.
35:10
Speaker 10: You know, Rita, you've seen a lot of my clips
35:11
Speaker 10: where I've been assaulted at rallies, but what was different
35:14
Speaker 10: about Charlie Kirk is he He actually put in the legwork.
35:18
Speaker 6: A lot of people do podcasts. A lot of people
35:19
Speaker 6: have a big following.
35:20
Speaker 10: But Charlie did over 200 speaking events every single year.
35:25
Speaker 10: He was the glue that was keeping the conservative movement together.
35:28
Speaker 6: And he was fearless.
35:29
Speaker 10: And sadly, his life was taken from him and taken
35:32
Speaker 10: from us way too early. And even though he was
35:35
Speaker 10: a few years younger than me, I looked up to Charlie.
35:38
Speaker 10: And I think the rest of America should look up
35:40
Speaker 10: to Charlie. He was a perfect guy that you could
35:42
Speaker 10: use as a role model. So it's just a horrible situation.
35:45
Speaker 10: Once again, it's an honour and privilege that I still
35:47
Speaker 10: get to represent Turning Point USA, but nobody will replace Charlie.
35:51
Speaker 10: I mean, I am like B team, C team, D
35:53
Speaker 10: team compared to Charlie. And it's just a really sad
35:58
Speaker 10: reality that it's been a year and it feels just
36:00
Speaker 10: like yesterday.
36:03
Speaker 3: And he walked the talk, didn't he?
36:05
Speaker 2: He wasn't just about preaching a certain ideology.
36:09
Speaker 3: He lived it every day.
36:12
Speaker 10: You know, and Rita, one of the things that makes
36:13
Speaker 10: me most upset because I still go on these campuses,
36:16
Speaker 10: the false accusations. And you saw some of those clips,
36:19
Speaker 10: the way people have painted Charlie, like he was racist.
36:21
Speaker 10: He was not racist at all. He created the Blexit
36:24
Speaker 10: movement that helps, you know, African-Americans leave the liberals and
36:28
Speaker 10: become conservatives. So he wanted to lift up all voices. He,
36:31
Speaker 10: you know, helped gay people. He was not a bigot.
36:35
Speaker 10: He was not like the left tries to define him
36:37
Speaker 10: as he was actually a A uniter.
36:40
Speaker 6: And you can just tell by the way that he would.
36:43
Speaker 10: Handle himself, even if he's talking to a transgender person,
36:46
Speaker 10: even if he's talking to anybody.
36:48
Speaker 6: He showed them.
36:49
Speaker 10: Kindness and respect and all of the accusations that they've
36:53
Speaker 10: levied on him after his death.
36:55
Speaker 6: That's probably, to me, the most disgusting.
36:57
Speaker 19: Part of it all.
36:59
Speaker 2: Well, I played a few examples of lefty lunatics celebrating
37:03
Speaker 2: the anniversary of Charlie's murder. And I've got another example here,
37:08
Speaker 2: this time from Portland.
37:09
Speaker 3: A tattoo parlour in Portland.
37:12
Speaker 2: Called Black Scratcher is offering what they call a Kirkiversary
37:16
Speaker 2: discount on neck tattoos to celebrate Charlie's assassination.
37:21
Speaker 19: Alex?
37:22
Speaker 2: As a close friend, how does that ugliness make you feel?
37:26
Speaker 2: It must be devastating and also just make you angry.
37:31
Speaker 6: No, it makes me really upset.
37:34
Speaker 10: But believe it or not, and I don't want to
37:36
Speaker 10: speak for Charlie because he's not here anymore, but.
37:38
Speaker 6: Charlie was attacked by South Park.
37:41
Speaker 10: And Charlie changed his profile picture to his South Park character.
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Speaker 6: So believe it or not, I'm saying, believe.
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Speaker 10: It or not, Charlie wanted to speak to people with
37:50
Speaker 10: a different point of view. And he was a civil
37:51
Speaker 10: rights activist that loved the First Amendment. So he would
37:55
Speaker 10: laugh at these people. I know that he would not
37:57
Speaker 10: get triggered by these people because he had countless examples
37:59
Speaker 10: of people doing this to him in person.
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Speaker 6: And he always was cool and calm and collected. So, yeah,
38:04
Speaker 6: it makes me sick.
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Speaker 10: But I'd imagine that Charlie would be laughing at these people.
38:09
Speaker 10: And that's the type of person he is. He's an
38:10
Speaker 10: inspiration to a lot of young people. And it's just
38:12
Speaker 10: like I said, he's one of one. And the world
38:15
Speaker 10: is it's a much worse place without him.
38:19
Speaker 2: Well, he was the joyful warrior, wasn't he? Because like
38:24
Speaker 2: you described, no matter how heated the debate, he was
38:28
Speaker 2: always polite. He was principled. He almost always had a
38:31
Speaker 2: big smile on his face. Tell me what he was
38:35
Speaker 2: like away from the cameras, away from the debating stage.
38:40
Speaker 6: We'll see what made Charlie special.
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Speaker 10: And, you know, I'm saying this with all due respect.
38:45
Speaker 10: Charlie was a nerd in the best way.
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Speaker 6: He was a genius.
38:48
Speaker 10: He had every stat. You know, he knew how to
38:51
Speaker 10: handle people because he was so brilliant. And, you know,
38:55
Speaker 10: off camera, he was a lot like how he was
38:57
Speaker 10: on camera. Really kind. Really nice. a go-getter, loved business,
39:02
Speaker 10: loved networking. So I never, ever interacted with Charlie, and
39:06
Speaker 10: he seemed like he was in a bad mood. And
39:08
Speaker 10: I was friends with him when there was times where
39:10
Speaker 10: the administration, you know, the Biden administration was, you know,
39:14
Speaker 10: going after Turning Point. So I've seen him in high-tense situations,
39:18
Speaker 10: and he was always the same, really calm, collected. He
39:21
Speaker 10: had such a strong faith in Jesus Christ that I
39:24
Speaker 10: think that's kind of what inspired.
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Speaker 6: Him to really act like Jesus.
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Speaker 10: He wasn't just, like you said, he wasn't just talking
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Speaker 10: the talk, he was walking the walk. And what you
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Speaker 10: saw on camera was how he acted off camera, really professional,
39:37
Speaker 10: really polite and incredibly smart. I mean, one of the
39:40
Speaker 10: most brilliant guys that I've ever personally got to, you know,
39:42
Speaker 10: interact with.
39:45
Speaker 3: That came through.
39:46
Speaker 2: That was something that people who knew him well mentioned
39:49
Speaker 2: that his intellect was absolutely superb and something, I guess,
39:55
Speaker 2: people underestimated him. Before you go, I've got to ask
39:59
Speaker 2: you about the great state of Texas, your home state.
40:02
Speaker 2: The Democrats' great white hope there, James Tallarico, who has
40:07
Speaker 2: said in the past some crazy stuff, including that God
40:10
Speaker 2: was non-binary. Well, he was on Fox News this morning
40:14
Speaker 2: and he's walked back all.
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Speaker 3: Those sorts of claims. He now says there's just two genders.
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Speaker 16: 2021 hearing, you said there are six biological sexes.
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Speaker 3: Do you still believe that standing here with me right now?
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Speaker 13: No, I've missed the mark on some of my past statements.
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Speaker 13: I will be the first to admit it. What I
40:33
Speaker 13: meant is that there are two sexes and then there's
40:35
Speaker 13: a small percentage of people with genetic abnormalities. I obviously
40:39
Speaker 13: didn't say it correctly. There are not six sexes.
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Speaker 5: There are two.
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Speaker 2: That sounds like the sort of answer I'd give. In fact,
40:44
Speaker 2: almost word for word, Alex, are you buying it?
40:48
Speaker 6: No, I mean, James Tallarico is a political chameleon.
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Speaker 10: He's just going to say whatever he thinks is the
40:54
Speaker 10: right answer to try to appeal to the Texans that
40:57
Speaker 10: are leaning more conservative.
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Speaker 6: But I'll say this, Rita.
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Speaker 10: It stinks that he won his primary against Jasmine Crockett,
41:04
Speaker 10: because if Jasmine Crockett was the nominee to run for
41:07
Speaker 10: Senate against Paxson, it would be a slam dunk victory.
41:10
Speaker 10: So Tallarico is He is a sheep, excuse me, he's
41:15
Speaker 10: a wolf in sheep's clothing.
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Speaker 6: And that's kind of why he's dangerous.
41:19
Speaker 10: I do think Paxton will end up winning, but if
41:21
Speaker 10: he doesn't, it's going to be a close race. And
41:23
Speaker 10: it'll be because Tallarico is able to lie and, you know,
41:27
Speaker 10: say God is non-binary and say all these weird things.
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Speaker 6: And then try to walk it back.
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Speaker 10: So he's basically a con artist, but he kind of
41:34
Speaker 10: looks like he's, you know, some cutesy patootesy nice guy.
41:38
Speaker 6: He's not what he looks like.
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Speaker 3: Alex Stein, it's been a pleasure talking to you tonight.
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Speaker 6: Talk to you soon, Rita. Thank you for having me.
41:47
Speaker 2: Still to come, Kinsey Schofield with her reflections on her
41:50
Speaker 2: good friend Charlie Kirk and she'll bring us the latest
41:54
Speaker 2: royal news.
41:55
Speaker 3: Up next. Welcome back.
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Speaker 2: Joining me now is host of the Kinsey Schofield Unfiltered podcast, Kinsey,
42:09
Speaker 2: you and Charlie were good friends.
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Speaker 3: What do you remember most about him today?
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Speaker 19: I mean, yeah, I continue to admire Charlie's courage, his tenacity,
42:20
Speaker 19: his moral compass, his commitment to his family, his country
42:24
Speaker 19: and his faith. He believed in himself at such a
42:27
Speaker 19: young age and knew exactly what he wanted to accomplish
42:30
Speaker 19: and almost accomplished everything he'd put his mind to. Obviously,
42:34
Speaker 19: his life was cut tragically short, but look at what
42:37
Speaker 19: he managed to build in the time he had, I
42:40
Speaker 19: have no doubt that he would have accomplished much more
42:43
Speaker 19: and I would have been calling him president one day.
42:46
Speaker 19: But personally, I miss seeing his smile pop up on
42:48
Speaker 19: my Instagram. Charlie was controversial to some. I understand that
42:54
Speaker 19: even if I don't agree with those characterizations of him.
42:58
Speaker 18: But he knew how to communicate.
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Speaker 19: He knew how to cut through the noise and get
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Speaker 19: people talking about ideas. And this incredibly messy world we
43:06
Speaker 19: live in, that is a skill very few people possess.
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Speaker 2: Kinsey, I'm with you 100%. I thought Charlie was destined
43:13
Speaker 2: to be president one day. He just had it in him,
43:16
Speaker 2: you could tell. Now let's talk about the Royals. You
43:19
Speaker 2: were on The Sun's Royal exclusive podcast with Talk TV
43:23
Speaker 2: host Mark Dolan, and you were discussing the Royals' Fergie problem.
43:29
Speaker 2: She has nothing to lose these days, and that is dangerous.
43:34
Speaker 2: Are we going to get a tell-all book or documentary
43:37
Speaker 2: from Fergie spilling the beans?
43:40
Speaker 3: She knows where all the bodies are buried.
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Speaker 7: So true.
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Speaker 19: I think that this is a serious concern for the
43:47
Speaker 19: royal family and for people that are worried about the
43:50
Speaker 19: future of the monarchy. It's the Diana years where I
43:52
Speaker 19: think Fergie could do the most damage. Remember, Diana and
43:55
Speaker 19: Fergie had planned on blindsiding the royal family and leaving
43:59
Speaker 19: their husbands at the same time in the 90s.
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Speaker 18: But Diana chickened out. Both of the women were schemers, dreamers.
44:06
Speaker 19: I'm actually not worried about Harry making a documentary about Diana.
44:10
Speaker 18: He knew her as a child. Fergie knew her in
44:13
Speaker 18: her prime as a partner in crime.
44:16
Speaker 19: Those secrets that those two kept could be harmful to
44:19
Speaker 19: King Charles and could embarrass Prince William.
44:22
Speaker 18: But alternatively, they could jeopardize her daughter's standing with the
44:25
Speaker 18: royal family.
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Speaker 19: So I wonder whether she would be desperate enough to
44:29
Speaker 19: do that to her own children.
44:33
Speaker 2: Well, she could reason that it's not really going to
44:35
Speaker 2: damage the children. They're grown women now and they're not
44:39
Speaker 2: going to be held accountable for the actions of their mother.
44:44
Speaker 2: And at the end of the day, Fergie has always
44:47
Speaker 2: been motivated by money. That's been one of her problems.
44:51
Speaker 2: And I would imagine if she is willing to do
44:53
Speaker 2: a tell all, really spill the beans, then there would
44:57
Speaker 2: be a lot of money on the table.
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Speaker 19: There would be more money than she would know what
45:03
Speaker 19: to do with. And that's saying a lot considering the
45:05
Speaker 19: fact that we've seen her go through how many outfits
45:08
Speaker 19: and wardrobe changes and homes and ski trips. So yeah,
45:13
Speaker 19: I do think that there would be a lot of
45:14
Speaker 19: money offered to her for, actually I've been told recently
45:19
Speaker 19: that a lot of, there have been multiple offers made
45:22
Speaker 19: to her. Mm-hmm.
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Speaker 2: I'm telling you, she's going to get tempted one day
45:28
Speaker 2: and just take one and she might feel like it's
45:31
Speaker 2: just going to be a weight off her shoulders as well.
45:34
Speaker 3: It won't just be for the money. We'll see.
45:36
Speaker 2: Now, Harry and Meghan are reportedly frustrated with how King
45:40
Speaker 2: Charles worded his letter clarifying their status as royals. The
45:44
Speaker 2: couple has taken issue with the request that they be
45:47
Speaker 2: treated as private citizens. Apparently they would prefer to be
45:52
Speaker 2: labelled as public figures, Kinsey. The letter was allegedly sent
45:57
Speaker 2: to the media without consulting the couple.
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Speaker 19: Why? I mean, they moved back to the UK without
46:04
Speaker 19: consulting the royal family. Sorry if I have no sympathy
46:07
Speaker 19: for them not being consulted about an email that was
46:10
Speaker 19: sent by the king.
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Speaker 18: And are we still arguing about titles?
46:13
Speaker 19: Donald Trump already gave Meghan the most memorable one, and
46:16
Speaker 19: that was nasty. But they've been hung up on titles
46:19
Speaker 19: and status for years. Remember Meghan sitting across from Oprah
46:23
Speaker 19: complaining that Archie wasn't a prince when under the rules
46:26
Speaker 19: at the time he wasn't entitled to be one yet?
46:29
Speaker 19: Here we are five years later and these two are
46:31
Speaker 19: still banging on, arguing about whether they're private citizens or
46:34
Speaker 19: public figures. I mean, they're exhausting and they waste so
46:38
Speaker 19: much energy.
46:41
Speaker 2: Now, there are reports that Prince Harry is absolutely rovable
46:46
Speaker 2: about Uganda and announcing that it is withdrawing from the
46:50
Speaker 2: Invictus Games. And it's supposed to be in a show
46:53
Speaker 2: of loyalty to King Charles. General Mahusi Kainogaba told The
46:59
Speaker 2: Times in the UK, I have factions in the Ministry
47:03
Speaker 2: of Defence that support that Harry-Megan nonsense. I had to
47:07
Speaker 2: quash it straight away.
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Speaker 3: I support the monarch, period. Kinsey, what is this about?
47:14
Speaker 3: I would have thought.
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Speaker 2: King Charles would be more than happy for Uganda to
47:18
Speaker 2: take part in the Invictus Games.
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Speaker 19: Well, I mean, we're hoping that this doesn't manipulate King
47:26
Speaker 19: Charles into showing up to support Harry like Harry has
47:29
Speaker 19: been trying to get him to do next year at
47:32
Speaker 19: the Birmingham Games. I mean, Harry really needs that royal
47:35
Speaker 19: seal of approval. This does feel like a meaningful moment
47:39
Speaker 19: for the Invictus story. We've heard rumblings for years about
47:42
Speaker 19: dissatisfaction surrounding Harry and Meghan's leadership, and now you have
47:46
Speaker 19: a country taking action and walking away. So the idea
47:51
Speaker 19: of the Harry and Meghan nonsense is like the best
47:53
Speaker 19: line of 2026, if you ask me. I think now
47:57
Speaker 19: the question is, is this an isolated case or will
48:00
Speaker 19: we start to see a domino effect of other people
48:02
Speaker 19: walking away from Invictus because of the Sussexes?
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Speaker 2: Yes, you have to quash that nonsense immediately. I did
48:10
Speaker 2: like how he phrased that. How are these two going
48:14
Speaker 2: to occupy themselves? Because obviously the Invictus Games is a
48:18
Speaker 2: big focus for Harry, but he does have a team
48:21
Speaker 2: that work on that project. How are they going to
48:25
Speaker 2: live their lives other than appearing on podcasts and doing
48:30
Speaker 2: silly cooking shows?
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Speaker 19: I think that that's exactly how they want to live
48:34
Speaker 19: their lives, because if you think back to their Australia trip,
48:37
Speaker 19: they told us repeatedly after that wrapped that that was
48:41
Speaker 19: the blueprint, that was a successful excursion for them, and
48:44
Speaker 19: this was how they were going to pursue the rest
48:46
Speaker 19: of their lives.
48:47
Speaker 18: However, it lingered too closely to the.
48:51
Speaker 19: Half-in, half-out strategy that the queen said absolutely no to.
48:55
Speaker 19: The king has just put the hammer down and said,
48:58
Speaker 19: that's not going to work. So I do think that's
49:01
Speaker 19: why we're seeing these two pitch a fit right now.
49:05
Speaker 2: And I think there will be plenty of overseas troops
49:07
Speaker 2: that will get sick of that English weather.
49:10
Speaker 3: So they'll be traveling.
49:12
Speaker 2: And though they're supposed to be private citizens, I bet
49:15
Speaker 2: you anything they'll be travelling as royals and they will
49:18
Speaker 2: be expecting royal treatment wherever they go. Kinsey Schofield, thank
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Speaker 2: you so much for your time tonight. And that's it
49:25
Speaker 2: from me.
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Speaker 3: Don't go anywhere. Late Edition is up next. Good night.