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The Late Debate | 26 January · The Late Debate

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  Speaker 1: Wait wait, welcome the Late Debase.
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  Speaker 2: Well, good evening and happy Australia Day. Welcome to the
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  Speaker 2: Late Debate. I'm James Macpherson with the patriotic frailing Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: and the fervent nationalist Caleb Bond. How is your day, guys? Caleb?
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  Speaker 2: What did you do to celebrate our national Day?
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  Speaker 3: I had an Australia Day party last night that I
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  Speaker 3: went to, which was a good bash, and I got
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  Speaker 3: home at about four thirty this morning and then backed
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  Speaker 3: it up with lunch at one o'clock. So I think
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  Speaker 3: I've had a pretty good effort for Australia Day.
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  Speaker 2: But I know you've got the Australia socks.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yah, I've got that fencific a bit but there
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  Speaker 1: you go.
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  Speaker 3: There are Actually if you look further down it's got
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  Speaker 3: the stars and stuff on it, you can only see
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  Speaker 3: the union jack.
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  Speaker 1: But yes, I've got the Australia socks on today.
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  Speaker 2: What about you, Freda?
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  Speaker 4: Did you celebrate a little less intensely than Caleb? But
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  Speaker 4: I hosted a barbecue today with a bunch of patriots
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  Speaker 4: down in the Shire and Cronulla, and I must say
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  Speaker 4: I just enjoyed driving around the neighborhood this morning. There
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  Speaker 4: was so many Australian flags out it is just awesome
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  Speaker 4: to see. And what about you, James.
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  Speaker 2: Look to be honest. Trail I spent today recovering from
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  Speaker 2: yesterday's celebration when my sons hosted about thirty of their
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  Speaker 2: friends at our house to celebrate Australia Day. They're part
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  Speaker 2: of that eighteen to twenty four year old cohort who
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  Speaker 2: really want to celebrate Australia Day. Although one of their
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  Speaker 2: friends did not show up because it was Australia Day
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  Speaker 2: and in a prom so.
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  Speaker 1: Really well friends, and it was on the Sunday.
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  Speaker 3: It wasn't even on Australia Day itself, so you've got
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  Speaker 3: plausible deniability.
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  Speaker 2: It was the principle of the thing apparently. Anyway, there
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  Speaker 2: you go. Here's what's coming up tonight. Should we spend
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  Speaker 2: millions of dollars on surveillance drones to avoid a repeat
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  Speaker 2: of the shark attacks scene in New South Wales last week?
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  Speaker 2: Plus amazing scenes in Taiwan where a daredevil climbs a
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  Speaker 2: one hundred and one story building with no rope, no
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  Speaker 2: harness and no safety gear. Plus job applicants upset that
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  Speaker 2: employers are increasingly using AI to conduct interviews. So does
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  Speaker 2: AI remove biases or introduce a whole set of new ones.
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  Speaker 2: We'll get to all of that shortly, but first, what
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  Speaker 2: did we make of this year's Australia Day. We had
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  Speaker 2: people protesting against Australia and we had people protesting for Australia.
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  Speaker 2: Some people were waving the flag, others were burning it.
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  Speaker 2: Some groups cheerfully chanted Ozzie Assy Ossi, and other groups
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  Speaker 2: angrily chanted down with the colony. Is this what the
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  Speaker 2: pollys mean when theymesist diversity is our strength? I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: Let me show you two incidents that played out today
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  Speaker 2: and I want to compare and contrast. Here's the first one,
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  Speaker 2: an indigenous leader in Brisbane setting our national flag on
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  Speaker 2: fire and apparently that was no problem.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And here's a woman also in Brisbane. She's not burning
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  Speaker 2: the national flag, No, she's waving it and she gets
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  Speaker 2: moved on by police. So, calebin Fra, I'm struggling to
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  Speaker 2: reconcile those two events, both in Brisbane, both on Australia Day.
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  Speaker 2: How do you put those together?
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  Speaker 3: Well, you put them together and you get the result
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  Speaker 3: of what has been happening for a long time, which
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  Speaker 3: is the denigration of this country. And of course, if
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  Speaker 3: you denigrate the country enough, some people start to believe it,
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  Speaker 3: and they're quite earnest in what they're saying. Which is
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  Speaker 3: the most worrying thing, right, the flag burning thing.
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  Speaker 1: I've always had a.
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  Speaker 3: Sort of opposition to the idea that someone should be
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  Speaker 3: prosecuted for burning a flag because it is a form
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  Speaker 3: of speech.
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  Speaker 2: And I worry, how's it a form of speech?
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  Speaker 1: Let me continue.
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  Speaker 3: I worry that if you say certain forms of political
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  Speaker 3: expression are outlawed, that you then lead on to potentially
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  Speaker 3: dangerous area dangerous areas. But I have to say, if
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  Speaker 3: you hate the country that much, that you will burn
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  Speaker 3: the national flag of the country in which you live
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  Speaker 3: on that country soil. You don't deserve to be here.
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  Speaker 3: Just bugger off to somewhere else. If you hate the
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  Speaker 3: place that much, just go away. And why can you
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  Speaker 3: not unfool your national flag on your national day at
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  Speaker 3: a protest in your country? I understand people get moved
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  Speaker 3: on for their own safety. It says more about the
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  Speaker 3: protestings that it does about the woman who rocks up
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  Speaker 3: with an Australian flag.
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  Speaker 1: But surely you have the right to waive.
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  Speaker 3: The national flag on the national day in a capital
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  Speaker 3: city in this country.
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  Speaker 2: Well that's my problem. It seems like you have the
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  Speaker 2: right to burn it, but not to wave it.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly right.
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  Speaker 4: It also just didn't really make sense because they're protesting
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  Speaker 4: about land rights, but fifty percent of the country is
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  Speaker 4: already covered by native tidle claims. You have land rights,
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  Speaker 4: you have all the same rights as any other Australian
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  Speaker 4: And this is the problem. There is this victim mindset
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  Speaker 4: among many parts of the Indigenous community. Unfortunately, this is
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  Speaker 4: something just Enterprise is consistently called out. And as long
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  Speaker 4: as you continue to play grievance politics and think of
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  Speaker 4: yourself as a victim, how can you possibly move forward
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  Speaker 4: or build something so that for me is the saddest part.
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  Speaker 4: There were images coming out of these protests of young
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  Speaker 4: kids holding up banners, holding up Indigenous flags, or creating
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  Speaker 4: this idea for the next generation that they are still
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  Speaker 4: victims of oppression today, and I think that is destructive.
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  Speaker 5: The other thing that I thought was very funny.
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  Speaker 4: One of the speeches that the Sydney rally called on
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  Speaker 4: these left wing activists to oppose Pauline Hansen, because we
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  Speaker 4: love immigration. Oh, hold on a second, so what were
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  Speaker 4: the settlers, what were the convicts? Weren't they actually immigrants?
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  Speaker 4: So I find it very funny that at an indigenous
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  Speaker 4: rally they're talking about how they love immigration.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I don't think you should be allowed to burn
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  Speaker 2: the flag, right. You can say you don't like our
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  Speaker 2: country that speech. Burning the flag is something else. But
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  Speaker 2: here's what I thought when I saw those images. There's
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  Speaker 2: no way you'd be allowed to say, burn a koran
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  Speaker 2: in this country. You'd be prosecuted under eighteen C for sure.
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  Speaker 2: Would you be allowed to burn an indigenous flag? I
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  Speaker 2: don't know, but I dare say that you would be
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  Speaker 2: absolutely condemned for it by everybody, and rightly so, and
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  Speaker 2: you'd probably risk running a fowl of vilification laws and
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  Speaker 2: incitement laws. I don't think anyone would dare do that.
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  Speaker 2: But the national flag seems to be fair game and
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  Speaker 2: I just don't think that's right.
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  Speaker 3: And there was a chap I saw today a video
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  Speaker 3: of him online. I think again it was in Sydney.
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  Speaker 3: It was other Sydney, Melbourne saying to someone in full
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  Speaker 3: knowledge that he was being filmed while this was going
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  Speaker 3: on saying, bring on the white genocide, and can you
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  Speaker 3: I mean, he should now be done under surely the
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  Speaker 3: new hate speech laws. If you'd said bring on the
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  Speaker 3: Aboriginal genocide, you can imagine what would happen. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: you'd be in handcuffs and they'd take you away and
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  Speaker 3: they'd say that was a hate crime. But you say
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  Speaker 3: it's the white genocide, that's all fine. And some of
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  Speaker 3: the speeches that they were giving at these anti Australia
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  Speaker 3: Day rallies today varied wildly from you know, the typical
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  Speaker 3: stuff Land Back and all this stuff all the way
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  Speaker 3: through to Palestine, like pick A Lane guys protesting against
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  Speaker 3: Australia Day. And then it becomes free free. It's not
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  Speaker 3: the same thing. I mean, they've got their own troubles
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  Speaker 3: on the other side of the world. It's got nothing
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  Speaker 3: to do with Australia Day. And again I think it
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  Speaker 3: proves these people really aren't that concerned about the ins
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  Speaker 3: and outs of Australia Day. They're not that concerned about
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  Speaker 3: the ins and outs of the Israel Palestine conflict. Just
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  Speaker 3: the current thing. What is the thing to protest today?
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  Speaker 3: It's Australia Day.
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  Speaker 1: But what have you been.
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  Speaker 3: Protesting about for the last two Oh jeez, we better
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  Speaker 3: weave that in as well. They're just protesting for the
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  Speaker 3: sake of protest And I mean.
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  Speaker 2: We've pointed this out at nauseum, haven't we, Freyer. But
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  Speaker 2: if you're concerned about indigenous rights, then you'd stand for Israel,
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  Speaker 2: who are the indigenous people in that region of the world.
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  Speaker 2: But anyway, logic and consistency has never exactly been part
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  Speaker 2: of pro Palestinian or anti Australian rallies. There was a
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  Speaker 2: video going around though, that was much more to my liking.
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  Speaker 2: Watch this, it'll make you proud. I'm not sure who
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  Speaker 2: put that together. I don't think Barnaby Joyce put that. Reef.
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  Speaker 2: I liked it.
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  Speaker 3: You know, I've talked Agnose him about the fact I'm
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  Speaker 3: worried that AI is going.
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  Speaker 1: To take over the world.
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  Speaker 3: But if that's the sort of thing AI is producing,
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  Speaker 3: that maybe it's not quite as good as we thought
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  Speaker 3: it was after all.
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  Speaker 1: But there you go.
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  Speaker 3: We bring you all sorts here on the late debate.
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  Speaker 3: What we also bring you in this discussion about Australia
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  Speaker 3: Day is the virtue signaling that we see from all
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  Speaker 3: and sundry across the corporate and political world, even the
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  Speaker 3: sporting world. James and I look particularly at James here
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  Speaker 3: because his football club, the North Melbourne Football Club, of
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  Speaker 3: which you've been a long suffering supporter.
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  Speaker 2: North Melbourne have won twenty out of their last one
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  Speaker 2: hundred and thirty games.
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  Speaker 1: Ate amazing.
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  Speaker 2: So you think you'd think they'd be focused on trying
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  Speaker 2: to win games of football.
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  Speaker 1: No, what are you winning games of football? There's Australia
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  Speaker 1: data games. Didn't you know this?
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  Speaker 3: They put out a statement today and look, we should
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  Speaker 3: be fair. It's not just North Melbourne Football Club that
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  Speaker 3: put this out. I saw a statement from the NRL
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  Speaker 3: as well. Lots of sporting teams are doing this, but
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  Speaker 3: the one from North Melbourne was particularly grating in basically
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  Speaker 3: saying we have nothing to do with Australia, not interested
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  Speaker 3: in it. They put a statement on social media that
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  Speaker 3: reading part we recognize the pain and sadness many First
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  Speaker 3: Nations peoples in the broader community may be experiencing at
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  Speaker 3: this time. We continue to reiterate our message and encourage listening,
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  Speaker 3: understanding and reflection of our nations shared part.
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  Speaker 1: Oh really, oh do we need that?
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  Speaker 2: That? They said They issued that statement after and I quote,
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  Speaker 2: extensive consultation with First Nations players. You know how many
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  Speaker 2: First Nations players they've got on the North Melbourne list
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  Speaker 2: women's and men's team combined. Free ah.
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  Speaker 4: And you know what, I don't understand why sporting clubs
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  Speaker 4: do this because it's so out of touch with their base,
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  Speaker 4: with the fans. Most people who are really invested in
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  Speaker 4: sport want to see you play sport.
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  Speaker 5: That's it.
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  Speaker 2: They don't want to win a.
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  Speaker 1: Game of it.
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  Speaker 4: It was just desperate for them to play some good football.
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  Speaker 4: But really it is very out of touch and a
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  Speaker 4: couple of years ago this wouldn't have surprised me, but
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  Speaker 4: with how the debate has shifted and the overwhelming support
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  Speaker 4: Australians now have for Australia Day, I don't understand what
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  Speaker 4: they think they're gaining. The only people that are on
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  Speaker 4: their side in this one are the Greens. Larissa Water
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  Speaker 4: has also put out a similar statement today, saying recognizing
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  Speaker 4: twenty six January as a Day of Invasion is not
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  Speaker 4: about division, but about respect, honesty and connection. It is
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  Speaker 4: about acknowledging the truth that sovereignty was never seated. This
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  Speaker 4: always was and always will be Aboriginal Land. I mean
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  Speaker 4: North Melbourne is basically parenting Green's talking points at this point.
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  Speaker 1: Well, and they might do them some good.
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  Speaker 3: Actually, probably a lot of the Greens people in North
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  Speaker 3: Melbourne to be perfectly fair, So you know, it does
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  Speaker 3: kind of make sense. Only always was, always will be.
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  Speaker 3: I wish I'd thought of this earlier so we could
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  Speaker 3: show it to you. I don't know whether did you
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  Speaker 3: see Tony Abbott's post online today put up a photo
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  Speaker 3: He's on a cruise at the moment holding up the
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  Speaker 3: Australian flag with our friend Adam Crichton from the IPA,
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  Speaker 3: and he captioned it happy Australia Day, Always was, always
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  Speaker 3: will be, obviously meaning always was, always will be Australia Day.
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  Speaker 3: I thought that was quite clear to take their line
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  Speaker 3: and sort of throw it back at them. But can
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  Speaker 3: we just have sporting teams stick to sport? You know,
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  Speaker 3: I don't need a lecture on Australia Day from North
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  Speaker 3: Melbourne or any other football club or any other sporting
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  Speaker 3: team anywhere. Really, just go and win games. I don't
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  Speaker 3: know about you, and maybe there are people who do,
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  Speaker 3: but I don't look to sporting teams for my sort
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  Speaker 3: of you know, moral gardens.
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  Speaker 1: It has to be said no.
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  Speaker 2: And the AFL season doesn't start for another what five
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  Speaker 2: six weeks, and already they're lecturing us on Larissa Waters.
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  Speaker 2: For an elected senator to say that sovereignty of this
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  Speaker 2: nation was never seeded, wouldn't that make her what two
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  Speaker 2: hundred thousand dollars a year salary be completely illegitimate. She's
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  Speaker 2: part of an illegitimate parliament by her own reckoning and
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  Speaker 2: always was, always will be Aboriginal. And U spose she's
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  Speaker 2: handing back her home in Queensland.
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  Speaker 1: Well they should do.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I mean, why not do you have a
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  Speaker 3: John Saffron many years ago, Hurrican twenty years ago did
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  Speaker 3: a skit where he went out with some Aboriginal guards
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  Speaker 3: and knocked on the doors of people who had like
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  Speaker 3: stickers in their windows, saying, you know, sovereignty never seen
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  Speaker 3: in all these things, and said, look, we just want
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  Speaker 3: to stay the night, you reckon, you could give us
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  Speaker 3: a bed and they all said no. So it would
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  Speaker 3: only go so far when it comes to this stole land.
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  Speaker 2: All right, So Australia day, typically Ozzie's go to the beaches.
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  Speaker 2: Of course in New South Wales. People on the beach
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  Speaker 2: are a little reticent to go into the water after
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  Speaker 2: we had four shark attacks in just two days last week,
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  Speaker 2: including sadly the death of a twelve year old boy,
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  Speaker 2: and then even Saturday and Sunday here in New South
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  Speaker 2: Wales we had multiple sightings of sharks ten on Saturday
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  Speaker 2: off the coast of Manly. The New South Wales government
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  Speaker 2: has decided to take action. They're investing four point five
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  Speaker 2: million dollars to purchase thirty more drones, which will bring
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  Speaker 2: to eighty the number of patrol beaches where surveillance drones
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  Speaker 2: will be working operating spotting sharks to keep people safe.
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  Speaker 2: The question though, is why would they invest in thirty
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  Speaker 2: more to cover eighty beaches when there's one hundred and
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  Speaker 2: thirty patrol beaches. Why not just spend the money and
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  Speaker 2: have surveillance drones on every single patrol beach.
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  Speaker 4: Well, not only should they have surveillance strones, they should
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  Speaker 4: also just have shark nets on every patrol beach. I
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  Speaker 4: don't understand why it's that hard, and don't forget the
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  Speaker 4: men's Labor government said they were doing a trial to
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  Speaker 4: remove shark nets last year. In twenty twenty five, and
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  Speaker 4: that was then pushed back when there was the fatal
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  Speaker 4: attack at DY last year. So this is a government
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  Speaker 4: that is listening to environmental activists who put the lives
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  Speaker 4: of turtles. You know, I love turtles, but turtles' lives
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  Speaker 4: do not come before people's lives. And so the answer
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  Speaker 4: is drones are a good start, but nothing is as
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  Speaker 4: effective as shark nets.
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  Speaker 5: That's just a fact.
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  Speaker 4: So they should be, of course adding more drones, but
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  Speaker 4: they should be adding more shark nets. Instead, what they
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  Speaker 4: were doing was trying to take them away.
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  Speaker 3: And I'm sort of when it comes to the means
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  Speaker 3: you use rather agnostic, like it does not matter to
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  Speaker 3: me what you use, as long as it's effective.
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  Speaker 1: Color, whether it's.
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  Speaker 3: A yeah, culing shark nets, smart drum lines, drones, I
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  Speaker 3: don't really care. I just want something that actually works.
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  Speaker 3: But of course, so often in this discussion it's not
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  Speaker 3: about how do we preserve human life and what actually works.
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  Speaker 3: It starts from the position of it's the shark's home.
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  Speaker 3: The water is the shark's home, and we are invading that.
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  Speaker 1: If I can say that on.
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  Speaker 3: This of all days, and so you're kind of asking
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  Speaker 3: for it if you go into the water, and so
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  Speaker 3: the shark's life must be protected above yours. That's just
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  Speaker 3: not tenable. I've said it many times. I'll say it again.
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  Speaker 3: We are at the top of the evolutionary tree. The
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  Speaker 3: water is our home as well, and we have the right.
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  Speaker 3: You know, there's no other species who's done to the
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  Speaker 3: world what we've.
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  Speaker 1: Done to the world.
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  Speaker 3: Somewad are you not always great, but there you are.
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  Speaker 3: But we have the right to go in the water
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  Speaker 3: by whatever means necessary, and to control that water by
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  Speaker 3: whatever means necessary, and we should do so. And the
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  Speaker 3: idea that you can have eighty beaches with drones on
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  Speaker 3: them but not one hundred and thirty that are patropic, like,
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  Speaker 3: is it that hard to go and buy fifty more
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  Speaker 3: drones just to get it done.
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  Speaker 2: I don't understand for the government to do something but
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  Speaker 2: still leave a third of New South Wales beaches without
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  Speaker 2: a surveillance drone doesn't make sense. And you're quite right,
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  Speaker 2: drones are affected by They can't obviously go extreme distances,
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  Speaker 2: whether could play a factor, so you need other mitigating
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  Speaker 2: things as well. But they could also reduce the number
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  Speaker 2: of drownings if they put surveillance drones and advertisement. This
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  Speaker 2: would encourage people not only are you safer from drowning
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  Speaker 2: between the flags, but you've got the coverage of surveillance
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  Speaker 2: drones from sharks as well. So I could work on
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  Speaker 2: a number of levels.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, totally.
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  Speaker 4: And they've got to do something because there have been
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  Speaker 4: over twenty beaches closed because of shark sightings in the
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  Speaker 4: last week. That is just unacceptable in Australia. But let's
• 17:00
  Speaker 4: move on and chat about some more Aussie politics. Pauline
• 17:04
  Speaker 4: Hanson is soaring in the polls and she's embracing some
• 17:08
  Speaker 4: unique campaign strategies to keep this momentum going.
• 17:13
  Speaker 5: Today, she has released as a.
• 17:16
  Speaker 4: Teaser to her new film, This Super Progressive Movie, She's
• 17:21
  Speaker 4: released a song that she did in collaboration with Holly Vallance,
• 17:25
  Speaker 4: who is a reality TV star in Australia turned conservative
• 17:30
  Speaker 4: culture warrior.
• 17:31
  Speaker 5: I guess and here was the song.
• 17:35
  Speaker 6: They say that I'll keep it.
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: On the sheet this.
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: And Ana GILIPI say I'll logical a real by logical.
• 17:48
  Speaker 4: I think it speaks for itself. It's pretty cool, surprisingly catchy.
• 17:53
  Speaker 4: My concern when these political songs come out is they
• 17:56
  Speaker 4: often just sound so contrived and cringey, but that's actually
• 18:02
  Speaker 4: pretty cool.
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: Well, it's put together by as you said, Holly Valance
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: sits those slaps when it comes to music. It's number
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: two on iTunes at the moment, and Pauline Hanson was
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: speculating today that if it keeps being downloaded and keeps
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: being bought, Triple J will have to play in the
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: Hottest one Hottest one hundred, Which would be wonderful to
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: hear that song on an ABC radios.
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: I wouldn't it be magnificently you know, kiss Kiss my ass,
• 18:25
  Speaker 3: what a great name for a song, kiss kiss being
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: exx the chromosomes for a real biological woman. I love
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: to see stuff like this because so much of the
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: cultural space is invaded by the left, and often the
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: thing that perplexes me so much about it is a
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: lot of the people who fund the art are actually
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: quite conservative and right wing, but the people who perform
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: and produce the arts are fundamentally left wing in many cases,
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: and they get a lot of our money, government money
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: in order.
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: To do it.
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: So it's good to see some art coming out with
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: some success, albeit you know, somewhat ironic in its nature.
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: That is not of the left.
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: Like it's a political message in a song that's not.
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: Of the left.
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: When was the last time you heard a protest song
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: that came from someone on the right. Like we may
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: be breaking new ground here, I'm not sure any of
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: them actually exist apart from this.
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: Well, you raise a great point in talking about the arts,
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: because cure politics is downstream of culture, right, you know
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: the old adage you end up with the politicians you deserve,
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: because typically politicians reflect the culture rather than create it.
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: So it's smart for one nation to be investing in
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: movies and in music to try to change the culture
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: to be more in tune with the principles that they
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: believe best suit the country. The other thing I like
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: is the use of satire, mockery, and ridicule, because if
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: you want to destroy an idea, there's no more powerful
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: way to do it than to get people laughing at it,
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: and that's what they're doing. It's a very funny song.
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: If you watch the whole clip and the lyrics of build,
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: it's very funny, very clever, and I think will be
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: quite effective.
• 20:04
  Speaker 5: And it's interesting as well.
• 20:05
  Speaker 4: To your point, Caleb, the art sector always complains that
• 20:09
  Speaker 4: they don't have enough funding. But this song is proof
• 20:12
  Speaker 4: that if you produce something people actually want to listen to,
• 20:16
  Speaker 4: which is probably not going to be left wing propaganda,
• 20:19
  Speaker 4: people will listen, people will buy it. I just can't
• 20:23
  Speaker 4: wait to hear this play, as you say on Triple J,
• 20:26
  Speaker 4: right next to Abby Chatfield's Boyfriend's song that they're all
• 20:30
  Speaker 4: obsessed with. Finally conservatives have something to get around.
• 20:33
  Speaker 5: It's awesome.
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: All the FM stations they're going to be playing it,
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: don't well, I don't know, do use anyone listen to
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: if I listened to Classic Ifim But look I can't
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: say I'm listening to macha Il s Ifim radio.
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: It has to be said.
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: Now to a story I'm sure you may have seen
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: over the weekend of tragic story of course, Sir Alex
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: Pretty who was killed over the week in the US.
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: He was one of these anti ICE protesters. He rocked
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: up to a protest with a gun and he ended
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: up being shot dead by an ICE officer. Now this
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: is blown up in the United States. There have been
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: protests in the US all over the US as a
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: result of this. Of course, the protesters say that he
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: was doing nothing wrong, and of course ICE is well
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: he rocked up to a protest with a gun, and
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: we were worried for our safety and we acted upon it.
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: Here is the Homeland Secretary, Christy Gnome.
• 21:25
  Speaker 7: I don't know of any peaceful protester that shows up
• 21:29
  Speaker 7: with a gun and ammunition rather than a sign. This
• 21:32
  Speaker 7: is a violent riot when you have someone showing up
• 21:35
  Speaker 7: with weapons and are using them to assault law enforcement officers.
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: Now, this happened in Minneapolis in Minnesota, and Minnesota over
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: the last couple of weeks has been the stage for
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: quite a few of these protests and altercations between the
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: protesters and ICE officers. So copyload of this from the
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: governor of Minnesota, and of course former Vice president candidate
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: Tim Waltz, who makes one of the most bizarre and
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: offensive comparisons between what ICE is doing in Minnesota, which
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: is rounding up and trying to deport illegal immigrants, to
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: Anne Frank.
• 22:18
  Speaker 6: We have got children in Minnesota hiding in their houses,
• 22:23
  Speaker 6: afraid to go outside. Many of us grew up reading
• 22:26
  Speaker 6: that story of Anne Frank. Somebody's going to write that
• 22:30
  Speaker 6: children's story about Minnesota, and there's one person who can
• 22:35
  Speaker 6: end this.
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: Now, I'm honestly lost for words. How with a straight
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: face do you make that comparison? And Frank, who was
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: being pursued so they could kill her in the Holocaust,
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: is the same as the US saying if you come
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: here illegally, you shouldn't stay in our country.
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's some problems with his analogy, aren't there not,
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: least of which Anne Frank was not a foreign invader.
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: She was arrested and ultimately put in a concentration camp
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: by foreign invaders. And the other irony there is that
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: Tim Waltz during the pandemic, was urging Minnesotans to dob
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: their neighbors in. Tim Waltz would have dobbed Dan Frank
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: into the Nazis had he been around during the Second
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: World War.
• 23:16
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's just disgusting.
• 23:17
  Speaker 4: And this is not the first time we've seen the
• 23:21
  Speaker 4: Democrats in the US use retoric that compares the Trump
• 23:24
  Speaker 4: administration to Nazis. All it does is ratchet up the violence,
• 23:30
  Speaker 4: the anger, and that's exactly what they want to achieve.
• 23:34
  Speaker 4: Tim Waltz is loving watching riots, He's loving watching Minnesota burn.
• 23:39
  Speaker 4: He certainly did during the BLM riots as well.
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: Well.
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: His wife famously said she loved to have the window open.
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: So smell.
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: Smell the flames and the fumes coming from the protein.
• 23:50
  Speaker 4: It's disgusting. But you know what the irony is. Trump's
• 23:53
  Speaker 4: head of ICE is Tom Homan. Tom Homan was acting
• 23:57
  Speaker 4: ICE director under Obama. Obama deported over three million people.
• 24:04
  Speaker 4: To celebrate Tom Holman's work, he was awarded with a
• 24:07
  Speaker 4: presidential honor. This same guy is now doing the exact
• 24:13
  Speaker 4: same thing he did for Obama, and he's doing it
• 24:15
  Speaker 4: for Trump.
• 24:16
  Speaker 5: There were no protests back then.
• 24:17
  Speaker 4: In fact, CNN followed Obama and ICE people around and
• 24:21
  Speaker 4: praised their work in the deportations.
• 24:24
  Speaker 5: But now that it's Trump doing it, all.
• 24:26
  Speaker 4: Of a sudden, you have mass riots, you have the
• 24:28
  Speaker 4: left wing media throwing a tantrum, you have Democrat politicians
• 24:32
  Speaker 4: talking about how bad it is. It is so hypocritical,
• 24:36
  Speaker 4: And it's not about illegal migrants. They always used to
• 24:40
  Speaker 4: be on a bipartisan ticket on the fact that you
• 24:43
  Speaker 4: need to control the border. It is actually about undermining
• 24:47
  Speaker 4: the Trump administration, and unfortunately it is working to an extent.
• 24:52
  Speaker 4: It is sewing division in American society. But it's a
• 24:55
  Speaker 4: losing strategy for them in the long run because what
• 24:58
  Speaker 4: they're saying is they support illegal criminals more than they
• 25:02
  Speaker 4: support law and order.
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: There is the little matter also of an investigation going
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: in going on in Minnesota as to how huge amounts
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: of money were defrauded from the state under Tim Waltz's watch.
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: I think he's quite happy to talk about Trump rather
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: than what's been happening in his own states finances. Let's
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: go to Taiwan, where an American climber has scaled the
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: Taipei one to oh one, so called because it's one
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: hundred and one stories high, that's over five hundred meters
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: into the air. He's climbed it for a Netflix special
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: without any ropes, without any harness, without any safety gear
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: at all. Fascinatingly, Netflix live streamed his climb, which took
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: an hour and a half, but with a ten second delay. Caleb,
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: why would they have had a ten second delayed?
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: You think just in case things went wrong. I suspect
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: you know in radio they have a seven second delay
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: in case things go wrong.
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: They actually calculated if he was to get right to
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: the top almost and then fall free falling, it would
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: be ten seconds to the ground, hence the ten second delay,
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: so that they were should.
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: It's a morbid thought, isn't it.
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: We'll give ourselves just enough time so we don't have
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: to broadcast the guy dying. It's a pretty morbid thought.
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: I just can't get over how you actually get this done. Well,
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: actually one I can't get over wanting to do it
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: in the first place.
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: You love that climbing, like, okay.
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: It's one thing kids love climbing up trees, but climbing
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: a one hundred story building is a bit of a
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: different matter, particularly when you've got no safety gear on you.
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: And he's done this, as you said, in an hour
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: and a half. For an hour and thirty one minutes,
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: he gets to the top of the building, the first
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: words he says are or is sick. That's how he
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: felt about it. And the last person who climbed this
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: building and did so with ropes and harms just did
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: it in four hours. So this guy has absolutely smashed
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: the record with no assistance whatsoever. Either he is incredibly
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: brave or incredibly stupid.
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: It just goes to a death wish.
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: How regulation and workplace off and safety productivity.
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: I want to work for Netflix now. I mean, if
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: that's how h takes things over, Yflix.
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: You said, why would he do it? He was asked
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: repeatedly how much did you get paid for this? And
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: he said, look, not as much as you might imagine,
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: and they estimate it would be in the sort of
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: mid six figures. So he wasn't paid millions. He was
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: paid three four hundreds.
• 27:32
  Speaker 4: I would not climb that building with no safety for
• 27:36
  Speaker 4: mid six figures.
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: He was asked, did you have life insurance? He said no,
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: I didn't get life insurance. Was too expense.
• 27:42
  Speaker 4: What I mean he is, but this guy is seriously impressive.
• 27:46
  Speaker 4: He was also the first person to climb El Capitan
• 27:48
  Speaker 4: in Yosemite without any highness or gear, and Netflix made
• 27:54
  Speaker 4: a documentary about that climb as well. And one of
• 27:58
  Speaker 4: the things that was interesting in that is he basically
• 28:01
  Speaker 4: just said that everyone who is in the free climbing
• 28:05
  Speaker 4: world knows someone who dies. It's basically assumed you were
• 28:09
  Speaker 4: going to die. They all have these very complex relationships
• 28:13
  Speaker 4: with their spouses, with family, because how can you put
• 28:16
  Speaker 4: yourself in that position over and over and over and
• 28:20
  Speaker 4: every time you do that, you are one climb closer
• 28:24
  Speaker 4: to dying.
• 28:25
  Speaker 5: It's pretty shocking.
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: The thing that I found most fascinating about this was
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: it's one hundred and one stories. Right, he gets to
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: level eighty nine and there's windows, it's a viewing deck,
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: and there's a whole lot of members of the public
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: there have a look. I don't know how he wasn't distracted.
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: We're on the eighty ninth floor.
• 28:44
  Speaker 4: We're trying to keep sort of a reverent hush so
• 28:49
  Speaker 4: as not to break his concentration.
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: That just reaps good way. That is not something you
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: feel like you're supposed to see. Absolutely incredible, But all
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: those faces through the window, when you're right there hanging
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: on for grim death.
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: I can be pretty distracted by and the wind. Yeah,
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: I just don't know how you do it. But he's
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: still with us, So it's proven that it can be done.
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: In some less positive news, the cost of living we
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: know is biting. It has been biting for quite some time.
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: Remember when they said it won't be easy under alban Easy.
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: That seems to have disappeared as a slogan, but maybe
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: we should bring it back. A new survey from the
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: Smith Family of Course, charity that deals with people who
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: are living in poverty. They've done a survey families asking
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: the question about how they deal with or are going
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: to deal with kids going back to school. Now, the
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: expenses of sending a child to school, and I thought
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: an extraordinary figure in these reports in the news court
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: papers today that four in five amilies say that they
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: worry they can't afford essential items to send their children
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: to school. Forty percent say they fear that they can't
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: afford essential uniform items.
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: A quarter is.
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: Saying that they're paying more for these items educational items
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: than they were a year ago, which I suppose makes sense,
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: But that number four in five families saying, look, I
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: don't know if we're going to be able to meet
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: these costs. And the costs do keep on mounting, particularly
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: if a kid wants to do school sport, and then
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: the notes come in about excursions and on and on
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: these things go. It isn't It must be an awful
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: position to be in to think, you know, I've got
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: to prioritize my expenses here, and of course sending my
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: kid to school is a major and important expense.
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: But when four in.
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: Five people are saying, I'm not sure how I'm going
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: to do this unbelievable.
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: So where kids miss out is In this survey, fifty
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: six percent of family said they may not buy their
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: child device that they need for school. Forty three percent
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: said they'd probably skimp on extracurricular activities. When I was
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: at school, I did piano lessons, You'd played different sports
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: outside of school time that all cost money. As I said,
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: forty three percent of parents saying they probably won't do
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: that this year, and as you said, forty percent saying
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: they may have to skimp on parts of the uniform.
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: Twenty percent of parents said that they probably couldn't afford
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: to buy all the stationary items that their child would
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: need for school, which is pretty extraordinary.
• 31:30
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's really sad, and I do think you're right.
• 31:33
  Speaker 4: We heard so much about the cost of living crisis,
• 31:36
  Speaker 4: especially in the lead up to the election, and now understandably,
• 31:40
  Speaker 4: the nation has had a few other challenges, namely BONDI,
• 31:43
  Speaker 4: the rise in anti Semitism. A lot of things have
• 31:45
  Speaker 4: distracted the media cycle. But the reality is that when
• 31:50
  Speaker 4: inflation goes up, even if the rates of inflation slows down,
• 31:54
  Speaker 4: prices don't go down. Prices don't deflate, they're still high,
• 31:59
  Speaker 4: and wages aren't moving. We have had the worst decline
• 32:03
  Speaker 4: in real income in living standards in the OECD. We're
• 32:08
  Speaker 4: still being warned about rising energy costs, about how unsustainable
• 32:13
  Speaker 4: our nation's finances are, and it just feels like no
• 32:17
  Speaker 4: one really cares. But it's families that are having to
• 32:20
  Speaker 4: pay the cost here, which is sad.
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: And it's quite possible now, of course, with them all
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: of these energy subsidies coming off that we will see
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: above average inflation. And we saw the last numbers that
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: came out about employment. Unemployment has gone down, so you
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: have inflation goes up because we were artificially diddling the
• 32:39
  Speaker 3: figures when it came two energy prices because it didn't
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: actually go down, we just charged people less because the
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: government made up the difference. Then you have low unemployment,
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: which equals presumably maybe at some point this year, an
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: interest rate rise.
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: I mean to be back in.
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: This position again. The pressure that is being put on
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: people is unbelievable.
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: But one of my sons is looking for a part
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: time job at the moment. And back in the day,
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: you'd print out your resume and you'd walk along the
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: street and you'd go from business to business and introduce
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: yourself and hand your resume over the counter. These days,
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: it's all online, and it's all through different HR departments,
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: but increasingly employers are using AI to vet job applicants,
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: which raises the question is that really fair? Leanne Morrel,
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: she's an HR professional, wrote an interesting piece on LinkedIn
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: talking about how she applied for a role at one
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: thirty pm and then at three seventeen pm on the
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: same day had just been rejected from the role. She asks,
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: how can a recruiter review my application along with all
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: the others and reject me within two hours? I think
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: it took me longer to write the application than it
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: did for them to reject me. It is my new
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: record for a rejection. Previously it was five hours. So
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: people have been speculating as to the use of AI
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: for not just reading and scanning resumes and applications, but
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: now for increasingly conducting interviews. Quantus do it, Bunnings do it,
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: Wilworths do it, where they use a special AI program
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: at least for initial interviews, where a chatbot effectively asks
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: applicants a series of questions. You reply, and presumably the
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: AI algorithms sought the week from the chaff. They argue
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: it removes biases of age, gender, and appearance. Although I
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: can understand why some employers might want to know a
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: person's age, or gender or appearance. But AI has its
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: own inherent biases, doesn't it. It has to in order for
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: it to be able to differentiate between a good applicant
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: and a bad applicant.
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: Well, artificial intelligence is only as good as the people
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: who've programmed it, and the people who program it presumably
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: do have some level of bars. Now there are people
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: who also do work in the AI sector to try
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: and remove that bus, but it's all essentially controlled or
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: created by a human at some point.
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: But this business are, you know.
• 34:59
  Speaker 3: A complete meritocracy because it takes out all the external factors,
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: the age and the appearance and gender and all these
• 35:05
  Speaker 3: sorts of things. The one thing AI doesn't have that
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: a real interviewer has is a gut feeling. And you
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: could be on paper a pretty ordinary applicant, and you
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: could be really socially awkward or whatever, right, but you're
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: in the room with an interviewer who goes, there's something
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: about you. I just know you're the right person for
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: the AI can't do that.
• 35:28
  Speaker 4: All of that human element of the job search process
• 35:31
  Speaker 4: has been stripped away, because, as you say, now everyone
• 35:34
  Speaker 4: applies online. So I feel bad for these businesses as well,
• 35:37
  Speaker 4: because they're getting thousands of applications for jobs when before LinkedIn,
• 35:42
  Speaker 4: before these job sites, they may have only gotten dozens
• 35:46
  Speaker 4: or maybe hundreds.
• 35:47
  Speaker 5: So there's really no.
• 35:48
  Speaker 4: Other way for them to conduct this many interviews because
• 35:52
  Speaker 4: people are applying for so many jobs.
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: There you go, all right, We're going to go to
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: a break. When we come back, we look at what's
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: making news tomorrow, including a fascinating story in the Daily
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: Telegraph where they've found out the going rate for a
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: number of crimes. If you want to pay someone from
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: the underworld to do it, that's the front page of
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: Tomorrow's Telegraph will show you. After the break. All right,
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: welcome back to the program. Let's take a look at
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: what's making headlines tomorrow and a fascinating story on the
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: front page of tomorrow's Telegraph, Caleb.
• 36:26
  Speaker 3: Indeed, the headline on the front of Tomorrow's Daily Telegraph
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: is the what a Ripper song? It is dirty deeds
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: that young crims do to cheap Exclusive from Mark Murray.
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: An underworld menu showing various crimes and the price tag
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  Speaker 3: for carrying them out has been intercepted by a New
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: South Wales police in a secret gangland chat room as
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: crews offer their services for everything from assault and kidnap
• 36:59
  Speaker 3: to torture and arson for as little as one thousand dollars.
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  Speaker 3: The concerning low prices criminals will charge for heinous attacks
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: include one thousand dollars to punch someone. I mean I
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: punched my brother for free when I was a kid,
• 37:12
  Speaker 3: five thousand dollars to inflict grievous bodily harm, six thousand
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: dollars for kidnapping and extortion, and as much as ten
• 37:19
  Speaker 3: thousand dollars to set a house on fire. Investigators made
• 37:22
  Speaker 3: the shocking discovery in a telegram chat room with crews
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  Speaker 3: offering a price list to commit every crime except murder.
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: I mean, that's a lot of crimes, to be fair,
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: if they do every crime except murder. But but yeah,
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: thousand dollars for assault, five thousand grievious bodily harm as
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: we seid, six thousand for a car to be torched,
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: ten grand for a house to be touched. I mean
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: that does seem quite cheap to have someone's house set
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: on five for ten thousand dollars and it doesn't get
• 37:48
  Speaker 3: traced back to you. If you want a warehouse destroyed,
• 37:51
  Speaker 3: they charge you twenty five percent of the goods inside
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: of it. Look, I understand this is where things are
• 37:58
  Speaker 3: going right, and this is always be in the argument
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: that if you reduce the age of criminal responsibility, that
• 38:04
  Speaker 3: it will simply encourage people to use young crims. And
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: increasingly what seems to be happening is larger gang's rope
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: kids into doing their dirty work for them, and they
• 38:14
  Speaker 3: will do it for not a lot of money.
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: That seems to be the tone of the article too,
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: that the journalists are surprised that the going rate is
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: so cheap on all of these crimes.
• 38:23
  Speaker 4: Well, especially when these crimes, if you actually caught, would
• 38:27
  Speaker 4: involve years of prison time, inflicting grievous bodily harm that
• 38:32
  Speaker 4: is a very serious events, kidnapping and torture. So to
• 38:36
  Speaker 4: get that for you know, as little as six thousand
• 38:38
  Speaker 4: dollars is pretty good.
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: But you know what they say, you get what you
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: pay for.
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  Speaker 5: Pretty good, Okay, if that's what you're into, you know.
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: They say you get what you pay for.
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: So if you paid ten grand for someone to burn
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: a house down, did they burn the whole house down
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: or just like a quarter of it, Well.
• 38:57
  Speaker 4: What's the premium rate? I mean, that would be a question, right,
• 39:00
  Speaker 4: But let's stick with that theme of crime and look
• 39:02
  Speaker 4: at what's on the front of the advertiser tomorrow, more
• 39:06
  Speaker 4: teens breaking their bail. The number of cases heard by
• 39:09
  Speaker 4: the state's Youth Court has steadily increased over five years
• 39:13
  Speaker 4: as it grapples with more young offenders breaking their bail.
• 39:16
  Speaker 4: Done and released under freedom of information laws has revealed
• 39:20
  Speaker 4: the court heard one thousand and forty eight bail breach
• 39:23
  Speaker 4: cases last year, accounting for about a fifth of all
• 39:26
  Speaker 4: its cases, up from nine hundred and sixty three in
• 39:30
  Speaker 4: twenty twenty four.
• 39:32
  Speaker 5: So clearly, I mean, we know.
• 39:34
  Speaker 4: Victoria has a terrible youth crime crisis, but it's not
• 39:38
  Speaker 4: limited to Victoria. This does seem to be a nationwide
• 39:43
  Speaker 4: phenomenon and the only way to stop it is really
• 39:46
  Speaker 4: to follow what the Chris of Foley government's done in Queensland,
• 39:49
  Speaker 4: which is cracked down hard, have no leniency for youth
• 39:54
  Speaker 4: offenders and actually enforce bail. When you've got one thousand
• 39:58
  Speaker 4: kids a year breaking the bail conditions, that's more than
• 40:02
  Speaker 4: one a day.
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, what's the point of bail if you're allowed to
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: break it without any consequences. Well, you end up with
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: what we've got in Victoria and what we've got in
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: South Australia, where young people have zero respect for the
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: law and then zero respect for the courts.
• 40:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and I talked about a story on Friday night
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: from Victoria.
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: A kid.
• 40:20
  Speaker 3: Again, this is Out Australia, but to illustrate the point,
• 40:24
  Speaker 3: a kid who was last week arrested for sexual offenses.
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: Alleged sexual offenses are sexually assaulting women in a park,
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: kids thirteen years old. This offending happened over a period
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: of nearly two weeks before they finally caught him.
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: He got bail.
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: I mean, how can you be thirteen and done for
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: sexual assault and then you get bail. What sort of
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: message are we sending here?
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: Well, I think it's pretty clear the message we're sending,
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: and that is that you can pretty much run amuck
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: and do what you want and there'll be barely any consequences.
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: The Northern Territory government, though, has decided we shouldn't just
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: let young people do whatever they like. Anthem mandate reads
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: the headline, Northern Territory schools to all sing the same tune.
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: The Northern Territory government, the article says, is forcing school
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: students to sing the national anthem at assemblies under a
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: new policy aimed at restoring national pride. I am all
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: in favor of this because we've seen an absolute dog's
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: breakfast of policies when it comes to the national anthem
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: and schools. Many schools we're talking about before the program
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: don't sing the national anthem at all. There was a
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: school in Victoria, Yarraville West Primary, back a couple of
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: years ago, where they changed the lyrics of the national
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: anthem to make it about the dream time and make
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: it more Aboriginal friendly. There's numerous stories from Victoria about
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: students being excused from assembly when the anthem is being played,
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: or turning their backs or refusing to stand. The Northern
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: Territory is saying schools will sing the anthem, students will participate,
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: and I suppose they can't make a student sing, but
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: you can stand with everybody else, you can face the front,
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: you can show some respect for the country that you
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: are a part of. I think it's a good Polish.
• 42:10
  Speaker 4: When I grew up in Canada, we had to sing
• 42:12
  Speaker 4: the national anthem every single morning, every classroom had a
• 42:17
  Speaker 4: Canadian flag, you had to stand up, face the flag
• 42:20
  Speaker 4: and sing the anthem in English and French.
• 42:24
  Speaker 5: I mean that is what you have to do if
• 42:26
  Speaker 5: you want kids to be patriotic.
• 42:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: I think it's a great idea.
• 42:30
  Speaker 3: We should check though, whether the kids know the second
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: verse of the national anthem? Anyone know the second verse
• 42:35
  Speaker 3: of the national Anthem?
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: I know there is a second verse, Yeah, I know,
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: And you know, teach the whole thing to the kids.
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: But of course the real lyrics are let.
• 42:46
  Speaker 3: Us all sorry, let us all ring Joyce for she
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: is young and free anyway on the front of the
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: Australian Tomorrow extraordinary story. Green power fading fat, no green
• 42:58
  Speaker 3: powering fast? Well kidding? What am I reading here? Investment
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: in large scale solar and wind generation slumped in twenty
• 43:06
  Speaker 3: twenty five to less than half of the previous year's capacity,
• 43:10
  Speaker 3: in a hit to Federal Labour's goal of generating eighty
• 43:13
  Speaker 3: two percent of Australia's electricity from renewable energy by twenty thirty.
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: I can't believe what I'm reading. Major solar and wind
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: investment total just two point one gigawats last year to
• 43:24
  Speaker 3: compared to four point three gigawatts in twenty twenty four,
• 43:27
  Speaker 3: and well short of the six to seven renewable additions
• 43:31
  Speaker 3: needed gigawats that is needed from such projects each year
• 43:34
  Speaker 3: through to the end of the decade.
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: Well, blow me down, I can't. We're not meeting our targets.
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: Who knew.
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: Another story going around today talking about young people preferring
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: petrol cars rather than electric cars as well. So on
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: every front, the government's green dream is not quite going
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: to make it.
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: The kids ain't so bad after all.
• 43:55
  Speaker 3: Another story on the front of the os anger steak
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: we need to do better.
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we could get wag you instead, I suppose.
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: Angus Taylor is refusing to rule out challenging Susan Lee
• 44:05
  Speaker 3: as Liberal Party leader, as backers of the opposition defense
• 44:08
  Speaker 3: spokesman say his ambition to take on the party's top
• 44:11
  Speaker 3: job was being bolstered by growing support outside the Conservative faction,
• 44:15
  Speaker 3: while supporters of Andrew Hasty are claiming top conservatives are
• 44:18
  Speaker 3: privately endorsing his ambitions to be Liberal leader.
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: Allies of mister Taylor say the right.
• 44:23
  Speaker 3: Faction is evenly split and the hum MP is gaining
• 44:26
  Speaker 3: traction among moderates and centrists who last year were leaning
• 44:29
  Speaker 3: towards shifting their support from ms Lee to mister Hasty.
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: What happens?
• 44:33
  Speaker 3: Do we get Angus or do we get Andrew?
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: We get Andrew?
• 44:39
  Speaker 4: I would probably put money on Angus Taylor winning the leadership,
• 44:43
  Speaker 4: but I would, but I think Hasty is the leader
• 44:45
  Speaker 4: of the Liberal Party needs But you know, everyone acts
• 44:48
  Speaker 4: in self interest, so it really will come down to
• 44:51
  Speaker 4: who can do the most deals. What this story tells
• 44:55
  Speaker 4: me is that moderates are reading the room and going,
• 44:58
  Speaker 4: Susan will not win this spell, so they're going, who
• 45:01
  Speaker 4: can we work better with Hasty or Taylor. Taylor is
• 45:04
  Speaker 4: probably going to give us more stuff as a bribe.
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: There you go, All right, Frey, you've got the Herald
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: some we better cover off on that one. Yes, Melbourne's
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: facing an absolute heat wave.
• 45:12
  Speaker 4: Yeah, the headline is red alert Summer Scorcher fire is
• 45:15
  Speaker 4: one of unpredictable conditions as embattled Otway's residents told to
• 45:20
  Speaker 4: evacuate immediately. Firefighters embracing some of the worst conditions since
• 45:24
  Speaker 4: Black Saturday in two thousand and nine. As there is
• 45:27
  Speaker 4: a massive heat wave and the Northwest is on track
• 45:30
  Speaker 4: to reach fourteen nine degrees.
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: There you go, an absolute Scorcher. All right, we're going
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: to go to a break when we come back. I
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: don't know if you've been watching the Australian Open. The
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: tennis has been good, but the commentary has been quite
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: something else. You look at some of that after this. Well,
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: of course the Australian Open has been on providing great
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: highlights on the court, but it's commentator Tony Jones Freyer
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: who's been making all.
• 45:57
  Speaker 5: The headlines exactly.
• 45:58
  Speaker 4: Look, he's sworn off ever playing pickleball again after suffering
• 46:03
  Speaker 4: a rather embarrassing fall.
• 46:06
  Speaker 5: Have a look, DJ.
• 46:08
  Speaker 4: Great effort here, Yeah, I mean this was like Boris
• 46:12
  Speaker 4: Becker dice and we are you are okay, we're confirming
• 46:17
  Speaker 4: that we're getting.
• 46:18
  Speaker 3: You some ice.
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: Great effort.
• 46:20
  Speaker 5: He tripped over thin air out.
• 46:23
  Speaker 3: Okay, pickleball. Before we get onto to the rest of
• 46:26
  Speaker 3: Tony Jones pickleball. Why the hell is it called pickleball?
• 46:29
  Speaker 3: What does pickles had to do with hitting.
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: A ball with a racket?
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: I have no idea.
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: I'm very.
• 46:39
  Speaker 4: It's basically tennis for people who don't want to run. Yeah,
• 46:41
  Speaker 4: and he still managed to fall.
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: Actually looks quite fun.
• 46:44
  Speaker 3: But I just can't take a sport seriously when it's
• 46:46
  Speaker 3: called pickleball.
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: Tony Jones ended up in a pickle.
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: He did end up in a pickle.
• 46:50
  Speaker 3: Back to mister Jones Chompers, as they like to call
• 46:53
  Speaker 3: him in Victoria. This is not the first time he's
• 46:56
  Speaker 3: had an awkward moment on here. It has to be said,
• 46:59
  Speaker 3: chief of among them, this interaction with beg Judd, Okay,
• 47:08
  Speaker 3: this is would you rather that or falling over playing pickleball?
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: I would rather fall over playing pickleball than that. That
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: was just humiliating. And of course then there was a
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: couple of years ago when he was openly taunting Serbian
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: tennis fans at the Australian Open back.
• 47:28
  Speaker 8: To Melbourne Park where you can see the Novak Djokovic
• 47:31
  Speaker 8: fans there in full voice.
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the chances are quite.
• 47:34
  Speaker 8: Exurediny Novak, he's overrated. Novaksa has the Novack kicking out. Oh,
• 47:42
  Speaker 8: I'm glad they can't hear me.
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: I don't know what got into him when he did that.
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: I'm glad they can't hear me.
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: I'm he provides great TV.
• 47:53
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it was just like a moment, a mental snap
• 47:56
  Speaker 4: moment though, where he just let his intrusive thoughts win
• 47:58
  Speaker 4: and he said, why not say this on live TV?
• 48:01
  Speaker 4: But there was another moment that causes scare as well.
• 48:04
  Speaker 4: An Italian tennis player, Luciano Dederi, was doing an interview
• 48:09
  Speaker 4: when his leg suddenly went into a cramp.
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: See now it does break so well weeping.
• 48:16
  Speaker 3: Oh okay, this is the connections today.
• 48:22
  Speaker 4: We might get back to the match just for a moment.
• 48:24
  Speaker 4: He Oh, I can almost feel the pain, and that's
• 48:27
  Speaker 4: because it's been so hot down there. The players have
• 48:31
  Speaker 4: just been struggling with the heat.
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, all right, before we go, let's just show
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: you an incredible tribute to Australia Day by a South Australian.
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: A engineering graduate, Harrison Schuster, twenty eight years old, spent
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: nine hours plowing his field to create this amazing tribute
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: to Australia. Have a look at this nine hours it
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: took him plotted all the coordinates. What I can't work out, Caleb,
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: is how did he do that on a track? I
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: can't even do a love heart when I'm making a
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: latte on our new coffee machine.
• 49:04
  Speaker 3: It is a pretty good effort, is it. I thought
• 49:06
  Speaker 3: I was doing well with these Australia flag socks, but
• 49:09
  Speaker 3: to go to that effort. It's not the first time
• 49:10
  Speaker 3: he's done it either, but you know what, of course
• 49:12
  Speaker 3: it's a South Australia, the South was he's always come
• 49:15
  Speaker 3: through there, you.
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: Go, all right, Well, Happy Australia Day and good night
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: from us. Is Rida Pennehy