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Chuck & Buck 2-3 Hour 4: Hugh Millen & Mike Sando, The Ol Judge and one last thing. · Chuck in the Morning

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  Speaker 1: To entertain you some more. Oh yeah, see now, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you're welcome. All right, Well, you know, misinterpretations. That's the
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  Speaker 1: team effort days. I'm here rocket till the break of dawn.
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  Speaker 2: I mean it that long, Yeah, rocket till the break
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  Speaker 2: of dawn nine o'clock hour.
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  Speaker 3: I thought I only had the rocket until the sun
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  Speaker 3: went down. Oh no, now we got to go to
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  Speaker 3: the break a grego dawn. Very important. It's super Bowl week.
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  Speaker 3: with you.
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  Speaker 2: Sports Radio ninety three point three kh arfm Our coverage
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  Speaker 2: from Radio Row continues here on this Tuesday morning count
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  Speaker 2: of down the seconds to Super Bowl sixty.
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  Speaker 1: And I love this aspect of this week.
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  Speaker 2: It's where you get to see face to face guys
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  Speaker 2: you've been talking to all season long, and sometimes you
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  Speaker 2: throw them on the air together. So not only do
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  Speaker 2: we have our QB one Hugh Millen with us here
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  Speaker 2: for the nine o'clock hour, our NFL insider from the
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  Speaker 2: Athletic Mike Sando, is with us.
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  Speaker 1: Hi, Mike, Oh, it's great to be here. Old time,
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  Speaker 1: Happy super Bowl all the times. You and Hugh, you
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  Speaker 1: mean and I used to be in studio and with
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  Speaker 1: KGr in the late nineties.
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  Speaker 3: Back spent a minute, right, right, and then we'd we'd
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  Speaker 3: nerd out on Excel and and football stats and yeah, yep.
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  Speaker 4: Hugh, I think was technically still in the league at
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  Speaker 4: that time, right, you were still throwing it.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know about all that, but uh, let's not
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  Speaker 3: get carried away football nerd them.
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  Speaker 2: Well, it's great to have you with us, and yeah,
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  Speaker 2: let's just chop it up. Let's just talk a little
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  Speaker 2: super Bowl football here and Mike, our first conversation with
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  Speaker 2: you so far. But this matchup, I mean, now you
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  Speaker 2: had a little time to digest it.
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  Speaker 1: Are we getting ready for a classic Super Bowl? Here?
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  Speaker 1: You think? Probably?
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  Speaker 4: I think that you know the I don't think any
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  Speaker 4: one of these teams that has been blown out a bunch.
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  Speaker 4: And I think New England is a team that you
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  Speaker 4: know you when you go in to play them, you
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  Speaker 4: don't necessarily you're not odd by them, but they just
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  Speaker 4: seem to they seem you seem to think more highly
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  Speaker 4: of them after.
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  Speaker 1: You play them than before that. You know that they're
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  Speaker 1: just sort of a tough out.
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  Speaker 4: So well, one variable to me is Drake May's health
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  Speaker 4: and the shoulder. I think we'll learn more as we
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  Speaker 4: go along. I think that was a really injury he
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  Speaker 4: had in the game, and so that could be something
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  Speaker 4: that over the course of the game could become a factor.
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  Speaker 4: I think if any team pulls away, it's probably Seattle.
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  Speaker 1: But I expect it to be a good game.
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  Speaker 3: You have been you have exploring about Mike Vrabels some
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  Speaker 3: of some of his uh I don't know, antics and
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  Speaker 3: if we can call them that, like like we were
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  Speaker 3: talking off Ara, I thought that was very fascinating.
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  Speaker 1: Let's uh yeah, let's let's chat about that.
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  Speaker 4: So remember when Belichick was coaching the team, there was
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  Speaker 4: always it was always like, Okay, what are they up
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  Speaker 4: to that we don't know about it? Ernie Adams, these
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  Speaker 4: mysterious figures. And even when I think he blew it
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  Speaker 4: in the Super Bowl by not calling timeouts against the
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  Speaker 4: that turned into oh, the mystique of Belichick. He knew
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  Speaker 4: all along this is gonna happen. So Rabel, you know,
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  Speaker 4: obviously comes from that, and he, as somebody who doesn't
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  Speaker 4: call the plays in the games, has a whole strategy
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  Speaker 4: that ahead of the rest of the league in terms
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  Speaker 4: of practiced tactics within the rules, but kind of not
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  Speaker 4: really within the rules. So here's some things that they
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  Speaker 4: do better than anyone else before.
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  Speaker 1: He said, tell him about when he got the coach
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  Speaker 1: of the year. Okay, well this is very fast. Interesting.
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  Speaker 4: So when Mike Rabele won Coach of the Year with
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  Speaker 4: Tennessee in twenty twenty one, he goes up to that
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  Speaker 4: NFL on her stage to accept and you only have
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  Speaker 4: about fifteen seconds to thank people whatever.
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  Speaker 1: He thanked five people.
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  Speaker 4: He thanked the owner of the team, his wife, Jen,
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  Speaker 4: his two sons, and he would also like to thank Stretch.
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  Speaker 1: I'm like Stretch is that his roommate from college or something.
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  Speaker 1: Stretches Willie McCovey.
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  Speaker 4: Stretches is John Striker, who's a six foot seven vice
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  Speaker 4: president of strategy and he's been with Rabel for all
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  Speaker 4: seven years. And so these guys, if you remember when
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  Speaker 4: they played New England in the Super Bowl, are in
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  Speaker 4: the playoffs.
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  Speaker 1: The end of the Brady run.
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  Speaker 4: Remember when they run, They ran like a minute off
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  Speaker 4: the game clock with weird tactics when they were trying
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  Speaker 4: to punt. I think the Patriots are trying to punt.
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  Speaker 4: They had to change of rule because they found this
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  Speaker 4: loophole where you could kind of keep spamming this penalty
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  Speaker 4: or something, and the clock a whole minute went away,
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  Speaker 4: and they were like, this isn't.
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  Speaker 1: The spirit right of the rules. So that's what he's
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  Speaker 1: all about.
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  Speaker 4: So fourth and one, they have a great way of
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  Speaker 4: sort of kind of subtly moving their defensive linemen to
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  Speaker 4: get you to false start. So they lead the league
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  Speaker 4: in false starts drawn on fourth and one, but not
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  Speaker 4: just all the time.
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  Speaker 1: It's always like with the game on the line. Time
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  Speaker 1: is when you do this, okay.
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  Speaker 4: And then the other one that won in the game
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  Speaker 4: against Denver is the deliberately super slow substitution on defense.
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  Speaker 1: So the play clock runs down.
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  Speaker 4: So if you go back to that play, we're stit
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  Speaker 4: them through the pick with fifteen seconds on the play clock.
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  Speaker 4: Denver had twelve guys in the huddle on the field
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  Speaker 4: and their eleventh guy goes out.
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  Speaker 1: That's kind of.
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  Speaker 4: Playing games with the defense. We don't know what our
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  Speaker 4: personnel is. So a tight end comes off. Patriots wait
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  Speaker 4: until that tight end gets all the way to the
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  Speaker 4: sideline before they substitute, right, So it's fifteen seconds on
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  Speaker 4: the play clock. Then Vrabel sends three big, lumbering, huge guys.
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  Speaker 4: They're jogging super slow on there. One of them turns
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  Speaker 4: back when he gets to the numbers on the field,
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  Speaker 4: painted numbers. By the time they get out there, there's
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  Speaker 4: nine seconds in the play clock. Now the other guy's
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  Speaker 4: got to run off and they jog off, and the
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  Speaker 4: whole time, the Empire's standing there with his hand on
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  Speaker 4: the balls and you can't snap it. You got to
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  Speaker 4: let him substitute, right, Yeah, So he takes his hand
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  Speaker 4: off the ball at five seconds. But now the umpire
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  Speaker 4: has to get to the offensive backfield. Remember they moved
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  Speaker 4: where the empire is, So where does he go. He
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  Speaker 4: runs between the quarterback and the tailback who were in
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  Speaker 4: the shotguns. So that's even more time where Stidham can't
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  Speaker 4: practically snap the ball.
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  Speaker 1: By the time he snaps the ball, he doesn't even notice.
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  Speaker 4: That the corner moved and he throws an interception, right,
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  Speaker 4: And so those are the little types of things.
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  Speaker 1: It's like it's within there's gamesmanship going on there.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, And so when you're in these really close games,
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  Speaker 4: you know one or two things like that could swing
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  Speaker 4: the game. And I think that that's not enough to
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  Speaker 4: make you good if you're not good, but if you're
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  Speaker 4: already a good team, those little margins like that, when
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  Speaker 4: they're super well practiced, can give you an edge, and
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  Speaker 4: they do it. A lot of teams try it, but
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  Speaker 4: I think they're just more well well executed on it.
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  Speaker 3: Do you think that Mike McDonald and the staff is
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  Speaker 3: aware that vrabel is seeking these, you know, well out
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  Speaker 3: of reaches.
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  Speaker 4: I wrote about it three years ago and all the
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  Speaker 4: people in the game management world know about it. So everyone,
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  Speaker 4: like the Seahawks have Ryan Ayres as they're a game
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  Speaker 4: management guy. Remember he got a game ball after the
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  Speaker 4: Indie game for reminding McDonald to call defensive timeouts before
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  Speaker 4: the Colts were in field goal range.
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  Speaker 1: We were talking about that too. You thought that was
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  Speaker 1: a no brainer, but it's.
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  Speaker 4: Really not in the league for until you get closer
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  Speaker 4: to field goal range. Do you want to when you're
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  Speaker 4: leading and the other teams getting that has the ball,
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  Speaker 4: you kind of want the time to run out on
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  Speaker 4: them until they get close enough that you think they're
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  Speaker 4: going to for sure make a field goal. Then you
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  Speaker 4: want time for your offense, right, So they're very aware
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  Speaker 4: of all of those things, and it'll be an interesting
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  Speaker 4: meeting with the officials on the field. Ninety minutes before
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  Speaker 4: the game. That's when the coaches kind of go down
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  Speaker 4: there and talk to the officials and they say, hey,
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  Speaker 4: by the way, watch out, these guys do this all
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  Speaker 4: the time. Rights that happens before the game, and you
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  Speaker 4: go and talk to those officials, and they scout all
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  Speaker 4: these officials in the game. They know which umpire calls
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  Speaker 4: the most of this or that, you know, and they've
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  Speaker 4: got to be prepared for all of that.
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  Speaker 3: Is there anybody that you've encountered through the years, be
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  Speaker 3: it a coach or an owner or whatever, who just says,
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  Speaker 3: you know what, there may be an opportunity to exploit
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  Speaker 3: the rules, but that's not the spirit. I don't like
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  Speaker 3: the integrity of it. I don't want to be a
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  Speaker 3: part of that. Have you ever heard anybody talk like that?
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  Speaker 4: Well, I think that that would remind me of like
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  Speaker 4: I was gonna say, John Shula, But there is somebody.
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  Speaker 4: Don Shula was like really against Belichick when he got
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  Speaker 4: the spygate thing. Member, I mean, he was taking a
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  Speaker 4: shot at him. But there is somebody. There is, Yes,
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  Speaker 4: there is somebody that may be Shola. But there are
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  Speaker 4: some coaches that Joe Gibbs, Joe Gibbs.
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  Speaker 1: Is someth trying to think of.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, I believe that Joe Gibbs would completely reject that.
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  Speaker 1: Think yeah, all right, yeah, what do you think you?
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  Speaker 2: I mean this coaching matchup in terms of knocking it
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  Speaker 2: out of the park. I mean Seahawks Patriots most recent
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  Speaker 2: head coaching hires. They couldn't look like more of it.
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  Speaker 2: Not a home run, a grand slam from both of them.
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  Speaker 2: Both defensive minded, you know, both seemingly tough as nails,
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  Speaker 2: both very they went over every locker room that they
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  Speaker 2: seem to be with. What what's your favorite part about
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  Speaker 2: this coaching matchup here?
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  Speaker 3: Well, I think that there there's a little bit of
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  Speaker 3: a difference. I think vverbel In similar to to uh
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  Speaker 3: to Belichick. You know, he's the guy when you watch
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  Speaker 3: the tape, they they look they look like Belichick type
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  Speaker 3: defenses and and they really physic being physical. You know,
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  Speaker 3: everybody wants you to be physical. But then you say, okay,
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  Speaker 3: well are you losing any athleticism? You know, but if
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  Speaker 3: you really want to be physical, you're willing to lose
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  Speaker 3: some athleticism, and I think they have that some of that,
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  Speaker 3: like on the edges and and what have you, Like
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  Speaker 3: you're gonna you're gonna have to you know, smart and
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  Speaker 3: physical is more important than really twitchy fast in the
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  Speaker 3: Belichick era.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and so I see for sure, right, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: do you see that Mike with their defensive end types,
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  Speaker 1: you know, theting type of guys.
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  Speaker 3: Yet and sometimes they'll just say, well, he's not really
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  Speaker 3: you know, he's not Miles Garrett. Anyways, let's just have
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  Speaker 3: him chip you know, he'll hit the back on the
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  Speaker 3: way out or if a tight end on the way out,
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  Speaker 3: or even even it wouldn't shock me if there was
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  Speaker 3: a play in the game where on those occasions where
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  Speaker 3: Jackson Smith and Jigbow are in those close formations, they
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  Speaker 3: might have an end just you know, give a flipp
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  Speaker 3: or give an elbow to the JSN and be willing
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  Speaker 3: to not rust the passer, you know, until later.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Absolutely, I think that one of the interesting things about
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  Speaker 4: the coaching matchup or these hires is I see, typically
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  Speaker 4: these two organizations have been big swing guys on the coaches,
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  Speaker 4: you know, to where they had had Bill Parcells before
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  Speaker 4: in New England, they kind of did ah when they
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  Speaker 4: hired Droud Mail. It's kind of like when Seattle had
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  Speaker 4: Jim Mora for a year. They just it was a year,
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  Speaker 4: and then the owner just wants to go big, and
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  Speaker 4: so you bring in the big name Vrabel. What's interesting
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  Speaker 4: for Seattle is that Mike McDonald really wasn't that. I mean,
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  Speaker 4: he is a he's a big he was a big
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  Speaker 4: name in the hiring cycle, but he wasn't somebody who
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  Speaker 4: had a track record before, right, whereas we'd gone gone
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  Speaker 4: from Pete Carroll, Mike Holmgren. I mean, those guys were
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  Speaker 4: really Paul Allen going out there and getting the guys
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  Speaker 4: who've already been kind of vetted. Yeah, there's not a
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  Speaker 4: lot of there's not a lot of research that does
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  Speaker 4: goes into hiring Holmegren. Right, Yeah, he's a ten year
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  Speaker 4: coach who's great. So I think of that as an
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  Speaker 4: interesting component of this. There is probably a little bit
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  Speaker 4: more of John Schneider's fingerprints on this, uh, you know,
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  Speaker 4: in really finding a guy that he thinks he can
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  Speaker 4: connect with, as opposed to the I think John Snyder's
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  Speaker 4: a really good evaluator of people and that that takes
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  Speaker 4: skill to do on your on the coach who hasn't
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  Speaker 4: been a coach before, you know that, you know what
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  Speaker 4: I mean, Yeah, guy who's been a coach. That's why
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  Speaker 4: Jamal Adams was a peat decision. Well they they yeah,
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  Speaker 4: they swung on some of those though. But yes, the
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  Speaker 4: coach is involved in a lot of that. But but
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  Speaker 4: John would admit you they got a little bit away
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  Speaker 4: from some of their fundamentals.
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  Speaker 3: Is there some truth to the idea of My sense
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  Speaker 3: is that they really they were like, Okay, we got
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  Speaker 3: Ben Johnson or Mike McDonald. We here, we got the
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  Speaker 3: offensive genius to match with Shanahan and McVeigh to to.
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  Speaker 1: Elevate to that level on the offensive side.
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  Speaker 3: Or we've got Mike McDonald to be you know, the
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  Speaker 3: counter to that, you know, the equal brilliance. And and
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  Speaker 3: in a way it kind of reminds me of uh,
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  Speaker 3: you know, when Kevin Durant got drafted, Like it was
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  Speaker 3: the it was the Blazers who had to worry about, Okay,
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  Speaker 3: do we want odin or or uh they made find
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  Speaker 3: and and and so so Seattle sitting there at the
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  Speaker 3: number two and it's like sweet, we you know, it's
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  Speaker 3: like whoever you didn't take and then and then of course,
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  Speaker 3: you know, uh, history shows Durant was the much better choice.
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  Speaker 1: But but my point in saying that is Seattle didn't.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think Seattle had an opportunity for Ben Johnson
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  Speaker 3: can Ben Johnson wanted to stay at Detroit, and so
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  Speaker 3: of the guys they wanted, it was, it was McDonald.
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  Speaker 1: Now it's worked out spectacularly, but you know.
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  Speaker 4: But I think I think that McDonald made so much
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  Speaker 4: sense for Seattle for a couple of reasons. One, I
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  Speaker 4: think there was a weariness with Pete's same old defense
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  Speaker 4: that didn't wasn't keeping up with McVeigh and and Shanahan.
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  Speaker 4: I think they wanted somebody to be able to combat that.
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  Speaker 4: And yeah, you'd like to have McVay or Shannon yourself
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  Speaker 4: to put pressure on him. But I think that I
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  Speaker 4: think there was a real itch here in Seattle of
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  Speaker 4: watching loving what Pete did for the whole program, but
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  Speaker 4: wishing they could have a few more gears on defense.
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  Speaker 4: You gotta met, you got to get.
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  Speaker 1: With the time. I mean, just a little bit.
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  Speaker 4: More uh uh scheme and an individual opponent matchup and
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  Speaker 4: justle yeah, have somebody who you feel like when you
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  Speaker 4: go into play and game plan McVeigh or game plan
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  Speaker 4: Shanahan that you're guys going to have some ideas that
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  Speaker 4: uh yeah, is going to match with those guys, Mike.
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  Speaker 3: Shannon with us, Mike, we love your your quarterback tiers.
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  Speaker 1: You put a lot, a lot of work into it.
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  Speaker 3: You're talking to for those who don't know, GM, GMS coaches, assistant.
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  Speaker 1: Coaches, what have you, right, Yeah, fifty coaches and fifty coaches.
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  Speaker 3: How you've been doing this long enough you can kind
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  Speaker 3: of anticipate how Sam Darnold is going to be, uh
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  Speaker 3: perceived next this this summer.
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  Speaker 1: When you do the tiers, give it, give it? Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, so you know, so the way this the
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  Speaker 1: way this works. If your top tier, you're carrying it
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  Speaker 1: every week. So that's my home. How many teers are there.
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  Speaker 4: There's there's effectively four or five would be not a starter,
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  Speaker 4: you know, So really you're top tiers, the elite of
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  Speaker 4: the elite. The second tier is guys. You can do
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  Speaker 4: that some of the time, but not as consistently. I
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  Speaker 4: think how many guys are in the top tier Tier
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  Speaker 4: one Tier one could be four to seven just depending
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  Speaker 4: on the era, Like when Breeze and Brady were playing
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  Speaker 4: with more. Tier two is gonna be maybe ten seven,
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  Speaker 4: eight nine, ten guys maybe, And so that Tier two
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  Speaker 4: is gonna over the years would have had a lot
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  Speaker 4: of Matt Ryan's and Romo's and Dak Prescott's and there
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  Speaker 4: they're guys that are really good quarterbacks, but they're notch
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  Speaker 4: below those top guys. And then Tier three is more like, hey,
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  Speaker 4: you're probably gonna get paid. We think we can win
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  Speaker 4: with you, but I think we would question if you
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  Speaker 4: had a veteran Tier three where you could win it
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  Speaker 4: all without having the Ravens two thousand defense.
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  Speaker 1: So over the.
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  Speaker 4: Years, that would be like a Bill Dalton, Andy Dalton
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  Speaker 4: or or you know, Kirk Cousins kind of climbed a
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  Speaker 4: little bit out of that world of tiny bit. But
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  Speaker 4: those are the types of guys that you know, you
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  Speaker 4: don't want to put on their shoulders too much. And
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  Speaker 4: then Tier four is either you know, Ryan Fitzpatrick career backup,
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  Speaker 4: maybe starts half the season, or hey, not enough information.
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  Speaker 1: There was Donald and where do you expect?
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  Speaker 4: So Donald bottomed out in tier four when he was
• 15:04
  Speaker 4: kind of a cast off, you know, and going into
• 15:06
  Speaker 4: this year, going to this year, he was in three
• 15:08
  Speaker 4: and people people kind of thought, Okay, let's see it again.
• 15:10
  Speaker 4: But before he goes to two, and I think they
• 15:12
  Speaker 4: saw it again, and he'll go to Tier two and
• 15:13
  Speaker 4: he'll be in that. I think if you have taught
• 15:15
  Speaker 4: Tier one or two, you feel like you can go
• 15:17
  Speaker 4: to the super Bowl with your guy. And they've done that.
• 15:19
  Speaker 4: So I think he'll be there, and may we'll go
• 15:21
  Speaker 4: there too.
• 15:21
  Speaker 2: What may won't be one yet I don't think so. Uh.
• 15:26
  Speaker 4: The way the tiers work with the coaches and executives
• 15:29
  Speaker 4: is they don't just overreact off of one year. They
• 15:32
  Speaker 4: kind of Okay, that was nice, Now let's see it
• 15:34
  Speaker 4: again when everyone's game planning for you and all of that.
• 15:36
  Speaker 4: So it took it can take some of those guys
• 15:40
  Speaker 4: a longer time.
• 15:41
  Speaker 3: So okay, So get more detailed with us. If you
• 15:44
  Speaker 3: had to pin the number on Sam Donald, I know
• 15:48
  Speaker 3: you say, you say, you say he's gonna be a
• 15:50
  Speaker 3: Tier two Yeah, but you know that's somewhere between six
• 15:54
  Speaker 3: and ten or eleven.
• 15:55
  Speaker 1: So give us an exact number where you think I
• 15:58
  Speaker 1: would think he could get me that top ten range.
• 16:00
  Speaker 4: So like usually you're the top ten, but not in
• 16:02
  Speaker 4: it maybe right around the Dak Prescott's been like tenth.
• 16:05
  Speaker 4: Does he go to that level or is Deack just
• 16:06
  Speaker 4: more established in that world?
• 16:09
  Speaker 1: And that's possible. It's possible that he would get a
• 16:12
  Speaker 1: lot of twos, maybe low two, maybe he's twelve, Maybe
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: he's one, Mike maybe, but maybe.
• 16:18
  Speaker 4: Maybe he's MVP the Super Bowl in plays the same
• 16:20
  Speaker 4: game last week and then there's a difference seven or eight.
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, oh yeah, then he'll really go. I think people.
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of people of.
• 16:27
  Speaker 4: Sam Darnold who liked him coming out, you know, and
• 16:30
  Speaker 4: I think they'll get right back on seeing him play
• 16:32
  Speaker 4: like this.
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: Mike Sando, Hugh Millan with us. Yeah, we're putting him together.
• 16:37
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• 16:41
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• 16:43
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  Speaker 2: ninety three point three kJ R F M. Jessman's trying
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: to bring Fred Warner into the courtroom. Yeah, I can't
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: distracted me. Uh so he is here. The old judge
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: has made the way all the way to San Francisco.
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: In super Bowl row.
• 17:29
  Speaker 5: Welcome everyone, Yeah, everyone, welcome in my courtroom. We will
• 17:34
  Speaker 5: have a game at the end of this weekend or
• 17:36
  Speaker 5: the end of this week. You have declared I have
• 17:38
  Speaker 5: declared it. Okay, we will call it the super Bowl.
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: So wise, judge, you are wise.
• 17:48
  Speaker 5: Super Bowl World, super Bowl. That's what we have decided
• 17:53
  Speaker 5: in a courtroom. Millin Bliff, Yes, your honor muzzled that man.
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: Well, never before have we done it this way.
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: Usually it's Ashley and I in the judge, the old
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: judges courtroom. But today we got Mike Sando and Hugh Millan.
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: So we're gonna let Mike Sando and Hugh Millan discuss
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: our topics today, and when the judge has hurt enough,
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: he will pound his gabble.
• 18:14
  Speaker 5: Gavel, gavel, gavel.
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: I don't have my gavel.
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: He will weigh in and whatever he says goes, and
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: we'll see how Hugh handles that.
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: Oh all right, so here you go. First, one for
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: you both to discuss.
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: You don't have to argue if you agree, you agree whatever,
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: Just discuss openly and then the judge will take it
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: from there. This is going to be a low scoring
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: super Bowl. I mean we talked about the head coaches.
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: You're basically taking the under. That's what you're saying. Super
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: Bowl over under.
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: Forty five and a half? Now, isn't it forty six?
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: I think forty and a half? I say, yesterday, significantly
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: under low scoring, not like I don't want to just
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: do you ask the question and then you say the
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: opinion first, Well.
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: Kind of courtroom trying to order in the court or
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: in the court trying to find what low scoring is.
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: Not just like butted up against the under, but like
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: it's gonna be defensive battle.
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: Here go for it.
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  Speaker 4: He I mean, this isn't exactly the most part you're
• 19:17
  Speaker 4: a guest of honor. No, I don't think it'll be
• 19:24
  Speaker 4: unusually low scoring, Okay. I think that there will be
• 19:26
  Speaker 4: some fireworks in the game. I think we'll see potential
• 19:30
  Speaker 4: big play on special teams maybe from Seattle that steals
• 19:34
  Speaker 4: the possession for them, gets them out a little bit.
• 19:38
  Speaker 5: Uh.
• 19:38
  Speaker 4: And I think that they will Settle will score closer
• 19:42
  Speaker 4: to thirty.
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: Points than twenty. Oh okay, So that is not low
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: scoring to me. So this is gonna this has a
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: chance to be muddied up.
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: I think there's you look at the improvement of the
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: Patriots defense.
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: Uh, your honor? Is that pejorative permitted in the court? Fine?
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: In all right?
• 20:01
  Speaker 5: Yeah?
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, no, I see, I see kind of things,
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: you know, maybe some a quarter quarter and a half
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: where Seattle the offensive lines having all little trouble with
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: some of the pressers. And so I like the forty
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: five yeah under on the forty five and a half.
• 20:19
  Speaker 4: So Seattle in their last two games scored forty one
• 20:22
  Speaker 4: and thirty one, right, and then before that they had
• 20:25
  Speaker 4: a low scoring game with the forty niners that it
• 20:27
  Speaker 4: should have been thirty.
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know how they didn't score thirty.
• 20:30
  Speaker 4: They got twenty seven on Carolina, thirty eight on the Rams,
• 20:34
  Speaker 4: you know, thirty seven Atlanta.
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: They score a lot of points. Who's a better defense
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: between Yeah, those teams you just said, No, of the
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: of the teams you just said, Rams, forty nine Ers, Patriots.
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: Who has the best defense? Yeah, I mean probably playing
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: right now? The Patriots do.
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: Right now.
• 20:51
  Speaker 4: The Patriots been on a great run of really good defense,
• 20:54
  Speaker 4: in fact, one of their best defensive runs statistically.
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 20:58
  Speaker 4: I think it's their best once since the twenty nine season,
• 21:00
  Speaker 4: when they again played a bunch of easy teams. That
• 21:02
  Speaker 4: was part of that's part of having great demons. I
• 21:05
  Speaker 4: think Seattle's been able to do this against some good teams.
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I like where Seattle's at.
• 21:09
  Speaker 4: I think that, Uh, it's a long game out there.
• 21:12
  Speaker 4: It's a long game out there.
• 21:13
  Speaker 5: Gabble gabble, gabblide. This is a rough one because I
• 21:19
  Speaker 5: think both of you actually have a point. I think
• 21:22
  Speaker 5: it's gonna be muddied up. I think there's gonna be
• 21:24
  Speaker 5: multiple punts, there's gonna be defensive minds and schemes are
• 21:29
  Speaker 5: going to turn, you know, not allow the other team
• 21:32
  Speaker 5: to uh move the chains. But I think there's gonna
• 21:35
  Speaker 5: be explosive plays, probably more explosive place for the Seahawks,
• 21:39
  Speaker 5: But I think it I don't think it's gonna end
• 21:41
  Speaker 5: up being low scoring. If low scoring is being brought
• 21:45
  Speaker 5: about as significantly below what the over undersk.
• 21:49
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that the You know, when you look
• 21:51
  Speaker 4: at New England, they're playing that snowstorm, you gotta throw
• 21:53
  Speaker 4: that aside. You know, you're you're deliberately playing a slow game,
• 21:56
  Speaker 4: not even trying to take a risk.
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: You know. I don't think it's gonna be that type
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: of a game for them, But look in this it's
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: not gonna be a snowstorm this week. And they've allowed.
• 22:04
  Speaker 4: Twenty six points in three playoff games, you know, So
• 22:06
  Speaker 4: now I think this says a lot about the Chargers
• 22:09
  Speaker 4: and the Texans.
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well and the weather and then for in the weather,
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: so things did them. Yeah, that type of game.
• 22:17
  Speaker 4: And you look at them late down the year, they're
• 22:18
  Speaker 4: playing Miami, they're playing the Jets. I mean, Buffalo got
• 22:22
  Speaker 4: thirty five of them on them in week four, Week fifteen,
• 22:25
  Speaker 4: Baltimore got twenty four on them in week sixteen. I
• 22:29
  Speaker 4: think when you look at some of those better teams,
• 22:30
  Speaker 4: they've played. There's just a lot of Giants and Bengals
• 22:33
  Speaker 4: and Jets on their schedule, you know, and some of
• 22:37
  Speaker 4: those better teams scored, and I think Sale is the
• 22:39
  Speaker 4: best team they probably played.
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: All Right, It sounds like the old judge was kind
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: of a little wishy washy with that.
• 22:44
  Speaker 5: You watch your mouth in my courtroom. Both be a
• 22:46
  Speaker 5: little more definitive with his. Really not one or the other.
• 22:50
  Speaker 5: I ruled that they're both correct, and both in correctly.
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: Okay, what's the next one? All right? Next one?
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: Uh, the Seahawks are set up better to go on
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: a dynastic run with this team than they were in
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: twenty fifteen.
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: Hugh, I will say, yes, I agree with that. I
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: think at twenty fifteen there was I think that that
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: team was being splintered by what it transpired with the
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: goal line.
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: I thought there was.
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: I think there were some leadership issues in there. I
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: think that the cover three the bait just dropped Cover
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: three was was you know, there was a lot of
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: teams that were doing it, and the Ripleys match portions
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: of the of the cover three, and so it was
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: proliferating around the league, and so teams were practicing against
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: it more, playing against it more. This Seattle is right
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: now the second youngest team in the NFL. They've got
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: a twenty eight year old quarterback under contract with with
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: right now the eighteenth highest contract that's going to probably
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: drop on the rankings in the next year or two.
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: And they've got I believe, seventy seven million under the cap.
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: So I think all those factors, and I think in
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: McDonald they have a guy that I just think is brighter.
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: I think he has more intellectual horsepower than Pete Carroll.
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: So if he's the defensive mastermind, I like the courtse
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: that he can navigate the adjustments over the next three
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: four five years.
• 24:28
  Speaker 4: Mike, So I like that because we know that the
• 24:30
  Speaker 4: twenty fifteen team didn't do that. Yeah, that makes it easier.
• 24:32
  Speaker 4: But I will say this, don't take ownership for granted,
• 24:36
  Speaker 4: because they are going to have a new owner, and
• 24:38
  Speaker 4: they had great ownership initially with the Nordstrom family and
• 24:41
  Speaker 4: they sold the team to a guy by the named
• 24:43
  Speaker 4: of Can Bearing and it was lean years.
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: With the owner. The owner can make the owner can
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: dealiel everything.
• 24:48
  Speaker 4: So I think we know whether we agree that the
• 24:51
  Speaker 4: story should be coming out now or it's a planet story.
• 24:54
  Speaker 4: All these things that people are suspicious about, it's happening,
• 24:57
  Speaker 4: and they're going to sell the team, probably in the
• 24:59
  Speaker 4: next couple of years, I would say, for sure.
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: So who do you get to buy the team?
• 25:04
  Speaker 4: And are they gonna wake up after a tough loss
• 25:07
  Speaker 4: and be an unstable owner? I think the Paul Allen
• 25:10
  Speaker 4: era has been taken for granted. I remember I was
• 25:13
  Speaker 4: covering the team before they got him, and when they
• 25:15
  Speaker 4: got him, they're suddenly hiring Mike Holgren. I remember going
• 25:18
  Speaker 4: into I don't know, maybe the old PR offices at
• 25:21
  Speaker 4: the Sea X at the time, and I was like, Wow,
• 25:23
  Speaker 4: this is really happening. The Seahawks are getting Mike Holgren,
• 25:26
  Speaker 4: and it just seemed impossible that the Seahawks, for what
• 25:30
  Speaker 4: they had been for ten years, could do that. And
• 25:34
  Speaker 4: now it's like, oh, yeah, they get Pete Carroll. They
• 25:36
  Speaker 4: we take for granted. How good there their ownerships?
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: Okay, so agreed, So yes, so the Allens have been great.
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: What is the probability anything other than zero hundred is acceptable?
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: What's the probability that they hire somebody that and John
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: Snyder doesn't want to work for that owner? Because if
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: John Snyder is running the football operation.
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: Isn't are most of the bases covers? I think most
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: of the bases are covered. So what they have really
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: good leadership.
• 26:05
  Speaker 4: You just don't know who's going to buy the team,
• 26:08
  Speaker 4: and hopefully the league does a great job of vetting.
• 26:09
  Speaker 4: But the dollar speaks in the end, and we've seen
• 26:12
  Speaker 4: the worst case scenario is what happened to the then Redskins.
• 26:15
  Speaker 4: You know, when they had pretty good ownership, They're going
• 26:17
  Speaker 4: to Super Bowls with Joe Gibbs and you're in the
• 26:19
  Speaker 4: nineteen ninety one they had one of the best teams
• 26:20
  Speaker 4: in the history of the league, and then pretty.
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: By the end of the decade.
• 26:24
  Speaker 4: Like I believe they I believe Nord Turner was the
• 26:26
  Speaker 4: coach when they when they when they changed it, he
• 26:28
  Speaker 4: had like one winning season and they didn't do anything
• 26:31
  Speaker 4: for a long time and it became a toxic thing.
• 26:33
  Speaker 4: That's unlikely you're going to get a Snyder type of
• 26:35
  Speaker 4: an owner, but you're in a division with I think
• 26:38
  Speaker 4: the Rams ownership's good. I think the forty nine Ers
• 26:40
  Speaker 4: ownership's good. So I would just say I agree with you,
• 26:42
  Speaker 4: they're in better shape to have a sustained dynasty than
• 26:45
  Speaker 4: the other one is.
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: But that's a point that needs to be raised that
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: no one's gonna think about. But you think Schneyder just
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: likely to likely to remain the GM, right, he definitely is.
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: But yeah, you're a fool if you're a new owner
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: and you come in and you change it. Well, no,
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: but they that Schnyder says, I don't want to work
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: for this guy anymore. I mean, oh, that's not how
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: you know. The Husky's made a horrible decision with Troy
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: Danit and that that disrupted a lot of if you
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: have an impulsive owner. Weird stuff happened. Yeah, and we
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: see these teams that are kind of but Tepper's already
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: locked in at Carolina. We don't have to worry, right,
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: But see they got that's a great example of what
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: he was talking about. Though.
• 27:22
  Speaker 4: Tepper was a loose cannon all forever and now he's not.
• 27:26
  Speaker 4: Like you don't even hear about Temper because they got
• 27:28
  Speaker 4: some guys in the front office to kind of manage
• 27:30
  Speaker 4: up right. They Dan Morgan's there. They hired a guy
• 27:32
  Speaker 4: from Kansas City who's kind of an executive cap background,
• 27:36
  Speaker 4: and I think those guys have calmed him down, and
• 27:39
  Speaker 4: so Seattle has great leadership right now, but that is
• 27:43
  Speaker 4: a it's just a consideration if in ten years we're
• 27:47
  Speaker 4: talking about this owner's made a couple of weird.
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: Moves here and Chuck asked, twenty fifteen. Remember now we
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: were going back twenty thirteen. Maybe that's even better. But
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: I'm taking the question that face value. They had had
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: the NFL in fewest points allowed in twenty twelve, thirteen,
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: fourteen to fifteen. So that was the last of a
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: four year run, which, by the way, the only four
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: year run in the Super Bowl era where a team
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: did that. Not the Steelers, the steel Curtain, not it,
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: Doomsay Defense, nobody else. But you knew it couldn't last forever, right,
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: And so yeah, it felt like that was kind of
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: more closer to the end.
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: I feel like this feel feels like it's closer to
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: the beginning. Yeah, I agree, Younger, Yeah, Gavel, Gavel, Gavel.
• 28:31
  Speaker 5: I mean, I think you make a good point about
• 28:33
  Speaker 5: the ownership, and you have to recognize that could change things.
• 28:38
  Speaker 5: Hopefully it doesn't. So putting that aside that if a
• 28:41
  Speaker 5: normal owner comes in, they don't mess with the football operations,
• 28:44
  Speaker 5: you are at the beginning of something. You are at
• 28:46
  Speaker 5: the beginning of something that if you have to say dynasty, Okay,
• 28:50
  Speaker 5: what do we measuring amount of super Bowls?
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: One?
• 28:52
  Speaker 5: Amount of super Bowl's gone too. I am with you
• 28:55
  Speaker 5: one hundred percent on I do think that there is
• 28:58
  Speaker 5: there's the new sheriff in town. Mike McDonald has a
• 29:01
  Speaker 5: has his finger on the heartbeat of the Seattle Seahawks
• 29:04
  Speaker 5: football players, the Seattle Seahawks city. He understands how to
• 29:09
  Speaker 5: work with today's athletes more than even a Pete Carroll.
• 29:12
  Speaker 5: Pete Carroll's great, but we've all been around that old uncle.
• 29:16
  Speaker 5: That's really fun. And after about twenty minutes of hanging
• 29:20
  Speaker 5: out with Uncle Richard, you're like, all right in the
• 29:25
  Speaker 5: backyard to pull your finger. Joke got old Uncle Richard,
• 29:28
  Speaker 5: you know what I mean? So I think that there's
• 29:30
  Speaker 5: I never talked about Uncle.
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: I know it's not a frog, uncle.
• 29:34
  Speaker 5: Yeah, a barking tree spider. So funny the fifteenth time. Now,
• 29:40
  Speaker 5: I think I think you are on the beginning of
• 29:43
  Speaker 5: I mean super Bowl.
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: The spider he said, got kissed for you. Oh yeah,
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: that you know after the kissed for you? Yes, forgot
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: steal my kids will get that one on Friday. Kids. Wife, Yeah,
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: come here, I had that period. Period just came out. Man.
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: We're gonna dig until treasure. You know, in the courtroom
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: you're forced to be honest, you know. So all right, well,
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: thank you both. That was fun. Guy Mike Sando and the.
• 30:30
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  Speaker 2: dot com. Just because we're on Radio Row and doing
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  Speaker 2: something new and fancy doesn't mean that we.
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  Speaker 1: Bust up the structure. The skeleton.
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  Speaker 2: That is the Chucking Buck radio format. And so we
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  Speaker 2: closed the show with one last thing.
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  Speaker 1: What do you got?
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  Speaker 5: Well, first of all, you're standing over me like that
• 31:43
  Speaker 5: is intimidating. No, and I feel like you're beaut a bully. Yeah,
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  Speaker 5: and I don't appreciate it, okay. And now you're looking
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  Speaker 5: down at it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, please more ways than one? Yeah, yeah, judging me
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  Speaker 1: and so no, mine is it's kind of like a brag.
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  Speaker 1: I'm in a brag goes back home. I am that
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  Speaker 1: you put you and Mike Sander in their place.
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  Speaker 5: YEA told those two nerds exactly what's up when it
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  Speaker 5: comes to football. I mean there's very knowledgeable. They don't
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  Speaker 5: know as much as the judge. No, oh, just know
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  Speaker 5: your role and just sit back and let me tell
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  Speaker 5: you what's up. No, within the hour, I'm going to
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  Speaker 5: have multiple UH in and out burgers.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah. We discovered one close to the uh.
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  Speaker 2: It was like Christmas last night. We were on our
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  Speaker 2: way home and oh, Mike, we came around the court.
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  Speaker 2: Oh my god, and it's right by our place.
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  Speaker 5: Because you want to get them and then I want
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  Speaker 5: to take them home, but them still be warm. They
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  Speaker 5: don't lose a bunch of the cheese on the wrapper. Yeah,
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  Speaker 5: I mean because eating the cheese off the wrapper that
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  Speaker 5: you have to do. That's that's unfortunately right. So it's
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  Speaker 5: right there close by. Oh, I'm just debating how many
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  Speaker 5: I'm going to get. Yeah, it's it's six to ten.
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  Speaker 2: It's like when your girls just looks great that night
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  Speaker 2: you take her out, and you're like, well, I really
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  Speaker 2: should just I'm just gonna wait to get home to
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  Speaker 2: enjoy you.
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  Speaker 1: That's how in and outs are right now. Yeah. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: so you want to you want to do that.
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  Speaker 5: You don't want to get too far from home, and you.
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  Speaker 1: Do want to wait until you get home.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I want to, but sometimes you can't otherwise you
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  Speaker 5: need extra napkins.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, very very similar things they all did. Yes, I
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  Speaker 1: think I had grown that she did. I thought it
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  Speaker 1: was a good comparison. It was a great comparison. We'll
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  Speaker 1: go with it was a comparison.
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  Speaker 2: It was a great Come on, we're talking about the
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  Speaker 2: old in and out, in and out. Oh no, I
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  Speaker 2: I know, come on now, in and out, the delicious
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  Speaker 2: burger joint.
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  Speaker 1: I got it. One last thing. That's what they say. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: mine is not going to be about Burgers or date night.
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  Speaker 5: Lindsay Vaughan.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if you guys saw. I think it
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  Speaker 1: was over the weekend. She was doing a race and
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  Speaker 1: fell and hurt her knee again. Yep.
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  Speaker 5: She had a press conference today.
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  Speaker 1: She did tear her a c l and she is
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  Speaker 1: still trying.
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  Speaker 5: To compete in the Olympics.
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  Speaker 1: Oh geez. But she's like, I will be at that
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  Speaker 1: starting gate. Wow, some snow on it.
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  Speaker 5: Everybody knows that might be one of the toughest race
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  Speaker 5: ever and aco typically isn't that painful.
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  Speaker 1: You probably need like the stability in your knee to race.
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  Speaker 2: I can't imagine a sport that needs knee stability to
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  Speaker 2: actually's point more than that one. Yeah, seems pretty important.
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  Speaker 5: It is important, yes, but with a knee brace, so
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  Speaker 5: basically it just will not be stable going inwards and
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  Speaker 5: you can make a break, you can wear a brace.
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  Speaker 5: It's going to affect her. It's probably not gonna win
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  Speaker 5: gold with it, but I think she can still compete
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  Speaker 5: in the Olympics with it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Well she's gonna try. And why not try, because
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  Speaker 2: she's not gonna she's not gonna train for the next one.
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  Speaker 1: No, probably not. Well, you never know with her.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true, all right, And I will close my
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: one last thing with the Brendan Donovan the trade acquisition. Yesterday,
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  Speaker 2: we spent some time on it, but we are at
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  Speaker 2: Super Bowl thirty or excuse me sixty all week long,
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  Speaker 2: and so yeah, exactly, so we haven't had as much
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  Speaker 2: time as we would normally spend on this.
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  Speaker 1: So I'm just gonna use the last minute on the
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  Speaker 1: Brendan Donovan situation.
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  Speaker 2: And I think that one aspect about this is if
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: you go with Gino, you take on the money. It
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: might not be a financially advantageous position that you put
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  Speaker 2: yourself in in season. So you could have had Genoswarz
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  Speaker 2: a one year fifteen million probably and kept on to
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  Speaker 2: your prospects, but you might not have had the finalinancial
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  Speaker 2: flexibility that the Mariners seem to enjoy last year during
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: the season. So with Donovan, you get that financial flexibility.
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: And now if you do create a hole, or if
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: a hole is created within the season, they're gonna have
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  Speaker 2: They're not gonna have to go to John and ask
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  Speaker 2: for as big a favor they can say, Hey, let's
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  Speaker 2: not forget we saved you like twelve million dollars back
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  Speaker 2: in April, and so it's gonna give you.
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  Speaker 1: And I really do think that they.
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: Loved that aspect of last season, that aspect of being
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: very aggressive at the trading deadline.
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: And I'll just say this, compared to where we were
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  Speaker 1: a year ago, this offseason blew away last offseason.
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  Speaker 2: So we are definitely going to have a better team
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  Speaker 2: on opening Day this year than what you had last
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: year when you went all the way to Game seven
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  Speaker 2: of the ALCS. And they learned those lessons of what
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: they can do inside the season to.
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: Make sure they're at their very best on Day one
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  Speaker 1: of the playoffs. Yeah, well that makes sense.
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  Speaker 5: And I mean I suppose a lot of people that
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  Speaker 5: just do both spend everything you possibly can in the
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  Speaker 5: freaking in the offseason and then.
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  Speaker 1: More if you need it.
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  Speaker 5: Well, that's just not the way the organization is gonna work.
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  Speaker 1: And I would think people that have that figured out
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  Speaker 1: by now, well I think they haven't figured out. They
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  Speaker 1: just don't like it and they're never going to agree
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  Speaker 1: with it. And yet it is what it is.
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  Speaker 5: You play with the rules that you play with, or
• 37:24
  Speaker 5: you you don't play with the cards you're dealt.
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  Speaker 1: So to speak.
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  Speaker 5: And yeah, I mean if you you don't know exactly
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  Speaker 5: what you're going to need for the second half push
• 37:34
  Speaker 5: and through the playoffs because of injuries, because of lack
• 37:37
  Speaker 5: of production, you don't know. And so this is the
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  Speaker 5: flexibility that this gets. And I don't understand why that
• 37:45
  Speaker 5: word is bad to a lot of Mariner fans, like,
• 37:48
  Speaker 5: I don't want a flexible guy. I want somebody to
• 37:50
  Speaker 5: just really awesome at one thing. I get what you're saying.
• 37:53
  Speaker 5: The aircraft carrier sounds great and wonderful. Well, Josh Naylor
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  Speaker 5: is not a utility player. We know what he brings
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  Speaker 5: to the tape. I think that Brendan Donovan brings a
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  Speaker 5: lot of flexibility. So you get to watch and see
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  Speaker 5: which of the two youngsters with Emerson and young or
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  Speaker 5: maybe both, which of them flourish and maybe turn into
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  Speaker 5: what it is. If neither of them flourish, then you
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  Speaker 5: still have the money left over to possibly address that
• 38:20
  Speaker 5: whole mid season.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, I like the deal, I really do.
• 38:24
  Speaker 5: I don't I could come back to where you're like, wow,
• 38:28
  Speaker 5: Ben Williamson and it being a good player and and
• 38:31
  Speaker 5: you know TYPEE and sin Jay, But at the same time,
• 38:35
  Speaker 5: you can't play in that game. I mean, you think
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  Speaker 5: about it, but you can't. You can't live in what
• 38:40
  Speaker 5: the future is and what the now is all the time.
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: Sometimes you got to make these moves.
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: Well, maybe those financial savings, John stan can take them
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: to Tualala Prasort Casino, Cool Cate of Greek Casino and
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  Speaker 2: you know, maybe turn it into even more savings.
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  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, twelve million into fifteen million, Yeah exactly, and have
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  Speaker 5: even more to spend.
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  Speaker 2: So that option is there for John and all of you. Frankly,
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  Speaker 2: head on out to Tulaylap Resort Casino. We'll see the
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  Speaker 2: Creek Casino get it done before Super Bowl Sunday. Have
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  Speaker 2: a little bit of fun at the DraftKings sports Book,
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  Speaker 2: and make sure you tell them that fucking and I
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  Speaker 2: sent you. We'll be back here tomorrow at Radio Row
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  Speaker 2: at six am for the Wednesday edition of Chuck and
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